US Department of Defense orders construction of the first two Mark VI boats for the Ukrainian Navy

The naval forces of Ukraine in 2022 are to receive the first two patrol boats Mark VI (Mk VI). The US Department of Defense ordered the construction of the first two Mark VI boats for the Ukrainian Navy from the SAFE Boats International boat building company.

The agreement, worth $ 19,969 million, provides for the preparation of the start of construction of the first two high-speed patrol boats Mk VI with the subsequent delivery of the Ukrainian Navy. The boats are due to be completed by December 2022. The transfer must take place under the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program of intergovernmental foreign military sales.

In total, the US Department of Defense Agency for Military Cooperation plans to sell 16 Mk VI boats to Ukraine, totaling $ 600 million, including crew training and technical support. The first six US boats will be handed over to the Ukrainian Navy as assistance, the remaining ten will be bought by Kiev at its own expense. At the same time, it is specified that the delivery of the first two boats will be financed within the framework of the military aid allocated to Ukraine.

In addition to 16 boats, the United States will supply them with weapons: 32 MSI Seahawk A2 remote-controlled artillery mounts (two per boat) with 30-mm Mk 44 Bushmaster II automatic cannons and other equipment.

The total displacement of the boat is 72 tons, length 25,8 m, width 6,2 m and draft 1,2 m. Max. speed - 45 knots. The cruising range is 690 miles at a speed of 30 knots. The crew of the boat is 10-11 people + a possible landing of 7-8 people.

In the standard version, the boat is armed with two 25-mm automatic remote-controlled Mk 38 Mod 2 mounts and six 12,7-mm M2 machine guns on turret mounts.

Against this background, information appeared that the US authorities are considering the possibility of installing on the Mark VI patrol boats, which will be transferred to Ukraine, short-range missile systems, that is, small anti-ship missiles of the BGM-176V Griffin type.

The Commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Rear Admiral Oleksiy Neizhpapa, has already announced that a division of such boats will be deployed in the Sea of ​​Azov.

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[cniza]

In total, the US Department of Defense Agency for Military Cooperation plans to sell 16 Mk VI boats to Ukraine, totaling $ 600 million.

Ripped to the thread ...

[fetus]

The United States, Britain and Turkey are arming Ukraine to prepare it for war with Russia.
All statements by representatives of the Ukrainian command regarding control over the Black Sea must be taken seriously.
The capabilities of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex in arming the army and navy are negligible, but the West is ready to come to Ukraine to help in the fight against the "Russian threat".

“Ukraine has already received modern anti-tank missile systems from the United States and will receive combat boats in the near future. Great Britain is also zealous, supplying combat units to the Navy. Of particular note is Turkey, from which the drones come.
Four missile corvettes with helicopters on board will be built according to Turkish templates, and they will be delivered in the coming years. "

[Grandfather]

US Department of Defense orders construction of the first two Mark VI boats for the Ukrainian Navy
Today, 18:27, only aircraft carriers ...
the rest is humiliating.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Dead Day

only aircraft carriers ...

could have given, they still go into the past.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Aerodrome

could give

There is no money from the word "absolutely". What will Ukraine pay? Silly Zelensky? Not enough, I think ...

[cniza]

Quote: janin

The United States, Britain and Turkey are arming Ukraine to prepare it for war with Russia.

This is really cooking ... but will they fight?

“Ukraine has already received modern anti-tank missile systems from the United States and will receive combat boats in the near future. Great Britain is also zealous, supplying combat units to the Navy. Of particular note is Turkey, from which the drones come.

"Not a horse feed"

[XXXIII]

Quote: cniza

"Not a horse feed"

The USSR has invested so much there, there is nothing left, and these handouts will disappear as soon as the owners turn away.))

[cniza]

They may not even reach, they will disappear along the way ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: cniza

Quote: janin

The United States, Britain and Turkey are arming Ukraine to prepare it for war with Russia.

This is really cooking ... but will they fight?

“Ukraine has already received modern anti-tank missile systems from the United States and will receive combat boats in the near future. Great Britain is also zealous, supplying combat units to the Navy. Of particular note is Turkey, from which the drones come.

"Not a horse feed"

The fact that Georgia will rock the boat to fight with Russia - no one thought in 2008 either. It ended with chewing a tie, a call to the State Department, and the comment, "Deal with yourself." And there were hopes ... "We will only bite Russia on the heel, and then NATO KAAAAAAK WILL PUMP .... It never happened and never will.
Now the Nazis in Ukraine will be given automatics and some unpretentious rackets and they will say "Fas!" And they will go, and they will get snot, and we will not reach 60 kilometers to Kuev, and the whole world will choke with saliva, as "aggressive Russia attacked free Ukraine" ...

We saw this scenario already in 2008. A new one to invent in Langley no brains? It means that they are wasting their good salary .... Give it to me, I will tell you. Although it is useless ...

[figwam]

Quote: janin

Four missile corvettes with helicopters on board will be built according to Turkish templates, and they will be delivered in the coming years. "

The contract has not yet been signed, what are the coming years.

[Cron]

Quote: janin

The United States, Britain and Turkey are arming Ukraine to prepare it for war with Russia.

I hope these comrades have nothing to do with the military sphere, because otherwise this nonsense cannot be explained. Arming Ukraine with boats against Russia is a powerful statement.
There is nothing but a cut and a drink. These countries that you listed only load their production and sell weapons.

Quote: janin

however, the West is ready to come to Ukraine to help in the fight against the "Russian threat".

He's not ready to come anywhere. They can only strengthen the Ukrainian side against the LPNR. In order to somehow change the balance of power with Russia, colossal funds are needed, and no one will ever give them.

[Moore]

Quote: Cron

I hope these comrades have nothing to do with the military sphere, because otherwise this nonsense cannot be explained. Arming Ukraine with boats against Russia is a powerful statement.

I hope that the person who said this has enough attitude towards the military sphere to understand:
- it is possible to create tension in the region with loud provocations with the help of boats, drones, as well as other disposable shnyagi;
- it is quite possible for oneself to maintain a military conflict of low / medium intensity and completely politically and economically isolate the "aggressor" from the world;
- the above conflict, naturally, will end in defeat 404, but its political results may become identical to the results of the "Winter War".

[Cron]

Quote: Moore

I hope that the person who said this has enough attitude towards the military sphere to understand:
- it is possible to create tension in the region with loud provocations with the help of boats, drones, as well as other disposable shnyagi;

It's over enough. It is also possible to create tension in the region with loud provocations with what Ukraine now has. You don't need boats and drones for this. They have enough for provocations, their curators would need, they would have done it long ago, and then politically and economically isolated. You don't need a damn boat for that.
And British, French, American boats are just the usual sale of weapons to the natives and the loading of their industries. Nothing more. The same sale of javelins, at a price twice as much as they are usually exported, is a story like this.
In general, they did not describe everything convincingly. I did not see a person here who is related to the military sphere, but only a person who attaches great importance to all sorts of nonsense.

UAVs are a big problem for LDNR. It is even pointless to argue here. But only if someone only expresses deep concern. Everything related to boats and corvettes is just one big cut

[Moore]

Yes, unambiguously, we will throw chubaty hats. Like Georgians. Oh, is there something not very good with the unopened air defense reconnaissance? Come on, these are the Papuans.
And yes, there is no need here about the belonging or absence of the participants in the discussion to the military sphere. Especially if you consider the 404 forces and means to be sufficient for organizing a sustainable regional conflict. There are not only parasites with nicknames, there are people and consultants who have made the right conclusions from the land and sea.

[Cron]

Quote: Moore

Yes, unambiguously, we will throw chubaty hats. Like Georgians. Oh, is there something not very good with the unopened air defense reconnaissance? Come on, these are the Papuans.

What have I got to do with it? These are questions for the leadership. Hopefully the right conclusions have been drawn. At least the rearmament began after these events. Identified vulnerabilities in the form of weak intelligence gathering, etc.

And if in Ukraine there is still no full monitoring of the movement of all forces, their places of basing, the location of warehouses, the introduction of agents into the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, etc., and plans for their destruction are not developed, then those who are responsible for this with rags should be driven out. Here I agree 100%
If some nix starts, then all this should lie at the very first time. Only this way and nothing else, here you don't need to go to the grandmother

[2 Level Advisor]

are armed with boats of 10 million? Yes, they disarm, instead of so many funds, you can buy a bunch of ATGMs or drones .. all the more, what kind of ukrov fleet can pose a real threat to us, 10 boats with machine guns, even if they are 10 million dollars each? even if with 2 theoretical corvettes? why are you so belittling the Russian Black Sea Fleet, saying that boats with kulemets are a threat to him?

[kamarada]

Using the example of the "chosen" people, all this good must be destroyed in advance in advance. Banderstan announced that he was at war with Russia. Well, so it is necessary to act according to the war. And do not wait until all the mongrels sharpen their teeth and rush into battle.

[Soko]

Quote: Kamarada

Using the example of the "chosen" people, all this good must be destroyed in advance in advance.

To do this, you need to have real sovereignty and a tough consistent line of action. And we all portray a "good-natured guy".

[kamarada]

Well yes. When Zakharova talks about the friendly American people, her ears fade

[Revolver]

Quote: janin

Four missile corvettes with helicopters on board will be built according to Turkish templates, and they will be delivered in the coming years. "

What kind of shisha? On their home-grown corvette "Vladimir the Great" there is no way, construction is frozen. According to Wikipedia, "On June 5, 2018, the Commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Vice Admiral Igor Voronchenko, announced that the budget of Ukraine did not have funds for the construction of corvettes of the Vladimir the Great series. [8] On June 23, 2020, it was announced that funds for the continuation of the construction of the corvette will be allocated in 2022. " But, as they said in Odessa even before independence, "to promise and to marry are two big differences." And where did the funds come from in Turkey? Turks will allocate?

[Moore]

I wrote about the same on a nearby branch. This must be taken absolutely seriously. A completely duped generation of neosvidomites, for whom Russia is a mortal enemy since the kindergarten, will also grow up to the full implementation of the supply contracts.
Our children will still fight ... and we may break off ...

[XXXIII]

Quote: cniza

In total, the US Department of Defense Agency for Military Cooperation plans to sell 16 Mk VI boats to Ukraine, totaling $ 600 million.

Ripped to the thread ...

They will be given just enough so that the muzzle does not climb out of the muzzle, but it was possible to bark. An analogue of the Baltics with notes of Bandera-Ukrainian insurgent independence.

[cniza]

Yes, they are being prepared for this ...

[Thrifty]

Then this unfinished person will be accepted into NATO "unanimously", at the behest of the USA, and the former Russians who have forgotten their language and their essence will go to war against once Mother Russia, and now the enemy, because they decided so in the USA. War is inevitable, it was necessary in the 15th year to take away the entire Donbass, depriving Vukrov of access to the Sea of ​​Azov. ... It's too late now. ...

[cniza]

Somehow you describe everything very tragically, badly, but not at all hopeless ...

[Avior]

In addition to the Donetsk region, two more regions of Ukraine have access to the Sea of ​​Azov. So there would be no problems with access most likely

[Revolver]

Quote: Thrifty

it was necessary in the 15th year to select the entire Donbass, depriving Vukrov of access to the Sea of ​​Azov. ... It's too late now.

Better late than never.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: cniza

In total, the US Department of Defense Agency for Military Cooperation plans to sell 16 Mk VI boats to Ukraine, totaling $ 600 million.

Ripped to the thread ...

Some strange arithmetic! 16 boats for 600 lyams, i.e. at 37,5 apiece. But for some reason, the first two will be built and handed over for 19,969 (i.e. 9,985 apiece)! "Where is the money, Zin?" Who inflates whom, who saws the margin?

[Orkraider]

Some strange arithmetic! 16 boats for 600 lyams, i.e. at 37,5 apiece. But for some reason, the first two will be built and transferred for 19,969 (i.e. 9,985 apiece)! "Where is the money, Zin?" belay Who inflates whom, who saws the margin? lol

Greetings!

The former are at the expense of the allocated money, and the rest are at the expense of Ukraine, so the former are cheaper, and the next ...

The first six Mk VI patrol boats will be supplied to Ukraine at the expense of American military aid, and the remaining ten will have to be paid by Ukraine from its own resources.

[Avior]

Most likely, 600 million includes not only boats, but also some other positions. Perhaps their bases, or the cost of maintenance, or something else.
Then the price situation is clear

[Orkraider]

Only boats and related equipment, plus training:

According to the DSCA notification, the planned delivery to Ukraine, in addition to 16 Mk VI boats, will include:
1) 32 MSI Seahawk A2 remote-controlled artillery mounts (two per boat) with 30-mm Mk 44 Bushmaster II automatic cannons (40 guns in total, including eight spare);
2) 20 FLIR electro-optical systems (including four spare);
3) 16 non-lethal infrasonic emitters LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device),
4) means of communication,
5) various related equipment, spare parts and so on

[Filxnumx]

total cost of 600 million dollars, including crew training and technical support.

Read carefully what is after the comma. The training will most likely take place not on the territory of Nezalezhnaya. Therefore, the contractor pushed, not looking at the price. Who doesn’t want to get “knowledge” in the “stronghold of world democracy”.

[svp67]

The boats are due to be completed by December 2022.

Are these the first two or all?

[Simon]

Yes, no matter how long you build, don't build, it won't help Ukraine anyway! Only the people will again be pulled to pay the tax. And so they have nothing to live on soon!

[Xlor]

Ukraine has finally slipped to the level of the third world countries - once a manufacturer of weapons, he buys these weapons himself ... Ugh!

[Pechkin]

We ordered the Mistrals and even formed a crew for them, Israeli drones (according to our outpost). Iveco LMV (Lynx). We have Thales (French) thermal imagers on tanks, and the sights are pine from Belarus. In the Raptor boat, in general, almost everything is imported. On the Su-30cm ILS from Thales. Specialists from the SSO have a lot of imported items or equipment for combat swimmers. Inspector Mk 2 unmanned boats and Seascan Mk2 autonomous underwater vehicles for project 12700 minesweepers. And in general there is a lot of everything else, we are after that the country of the third mira.It is foolish to write that what a horror the country buys weapons, so everyone does.

[Xlor]

We ordered not Mistrals in France, but rather the technology of their production!
In addition, thermal imagers for tanks and drones are high-tech products, unlike boats ...

[Pechkin]

And there is no boat, so we buy engines for them. 20 FLIR electro-optical systems or 32 MSI Seahawk A2 units are not high-tech products. They don't just sell the hull. Or when we buy Iveco LMV armored cars, it's normal, but when someone else boats, it's a shame.

[Xlor]

All that you have listed is insignificant and piece purchases for local and niche needs. We are also buying, in my opinion, in Switzerland, some special helmets that even a bullet cannot take. These are all little things that do not affect the country's defense in any way ...
P.S. China also buys our fighters, but not in order to strengthen the defense of its country, but to carefully study and copy. I would like to think that we are buying products just for this ...

[Pechkin]

We are also buying, in my opinion, in Switzerland, some special helmets that even a bullet cannot take.

Understood, I have no more questions.

[nobody75]

Didn't drink - what does Grbphone B have to do with it? For boats, Griffin C seems to have developed ... There is a range of 15 km.
Interestingly, with the head there? IR + GPS or Laser?
Sincerely

[evgen1221]

IMHO, the second action after the declaration of war by the Ukrainians will be to blow up their own nuclear power plants and massive drape to Poland.

[Krasnoyarsk]

= The US Department of Defense ordered the construction of the first two Mark VI boats for the Ukrainian Navy =
Well, that's it, khana cr. "Moscow"

[Runway]

The list of steamships of the Black Sea Fleet, capable of operating in the shallow Azov - in the studio.
Boats are positioned as patrol boats = along and along the coast.
Disembarkation / selection of a group, its fire cover, defeat of coastal targets.
I do not know how long it will take to build / transfer / commission, but ideally a "gang" of 16 high-speed targets (roughly 150 dugs in the landing party) is able to "extinguish" 5 POGZ in the current state (this is a "hole" in 200 km. 250 on the front of GG). With the ensuing consequences.

[Orkraider]

Today, there are 73 units in Cherny and Azov only in the security guard of the FSB of Russia:

26 border patrol ships, 40 border patrol boats, 3 border special service boats, 1 border support ship, 3 border patrol boats.

This is enough for no miracles in the form of the ensuing consequences to arise. Not to mention the turntables, which will fly to the noise and add a sparkle)))

[Runway]

You shouldn't have hung this “footcloth” (“DIP” series). The above boats are a thin layer of butter on a piece of bread. Of the entire list, only 10 units can work out (speed and nominal) on American-Ukrainian steamships (which are also smeared to cover the Psk in accordance with the OGG plan for a period that is revealed as "two fingers").
The sides of the former PV aviation now have the "gray jackets" in their pockets and are usually painted in the same way (God forbid, the head of the 1st department does not scratch the application - the end of his career).
Unscheduled disruption of the sides to participate in the search = formation of a hole (it can be patched up by other means, but annoying).
It was about the water area of ​​the Sea of ​​Azov, where the concentration of the declared 16 units (provided that they are still built and receive URKs on board) is an extremely unpleasant thing.

[Orkraider]

Not in vain.

Only Sable 11 units, Sokzhoy 2 units, Mongoose more than 15. This is quite enough for revealing intentions, and then ... as you write - "like two fingers."

Remind how long were raised
Ka-52 and Su-30SM, with the last provocation?

I will note your thoughts about an extremely unpleasant thing: the first two Marks will be available only by 2023, by 24-25, 4 more, and the remaining ones, when the Ukrainians find money ... if you look at # 12150-217, they were built in 220 years ..

[Runway]

The funds you listed work "offshore" and "reveal intentions" can not. So you need to be careful with terminology.
On the Kerch "battle":
- the event (the active part - the contact of the parties in any form) lasted more than a day, not counting the time of escorting Ukrainian ships along the South Coast by PTNs. During this time it was possible to overtake from the Corner board.
- non-Krasnoarmeyskie aircrafts / airplanes appeared in the area 9 hours after the NGG reported to the FSB PS that it would violate the GG.
There is a significant difference between "violation", "breakthrough", "incident" and "withdrawal to adjacent territory."
The first, second and third can be separate elements of the fourth (if in the task you get / provoke a conflict with the ensuing ones).
"Mongoose" with CPV against AU and URka (in the future for the Ukrainians) = to crush hedgehogs with bare ass.

[Orkraider]

The funds you have listed work "offshore" and cannot "reveal intentions" lol.

Reconnaissance allows revealing intentions, including through observation, which we are talking about: - observation of the enemy's actions. Including the forces and means of the security guard of Russia.

So be careful in terms

Reconnaissance in combat examples. - Moscow: Military Publishing, 1972 .-- 312 pp. / Simonyan R.G., Grishin S.V., Nikolaev N.S., Tumas V.A.From the list of literature recommended for study before lectures at the Academy

Example 37.
The observation revealed the enemy's preparation for the offensive.
...... At the beginning of September 1942, after stubborn offensive battles, our rifle division went over to the defensive on a 5-kilometer front at the Zaluchye-Dubki line (Fig. 10). The division organized a fire system, improved engineering defense and conducted reconnaissance.
When organizing observation, the division's intelligence chief assumed that the enemy, in case of preparing [162] an offensive ....... With all the personnel involved in reconnaissance by observation, classes were held in which the principles and methods of observation were studied ...

On

against AU and URka (in the future for the Ukrainians)

Exactly, in the long term, in the very distant future .. and the forces of resistance are already there. In this case, the composition, if you did not pay attention, is indicated only BOHR ..

And about Mongoose and his KPVT: Do you seriously think there will be a cowboy-style shootout: Mongoose or Sable against Mark? Really?

[Runway]

You are confusing (warm and soft) and have not touched the STPV / OOGG. On fingers:
- there is a borderline of the use of CuS in areas without engineering support (this is the entire sea border of the Russian Federation, so as not to get up twice)
- the coast through SPTN and PPP provides control of 12mm miles (of course, a little further) and guidance of PSKA (not PSKR).
- PSKA (the ground is round and the land is not even ) insure the coast in the "dead" zones (nvdng or non-anticipated).
- Pska (p / n) execute the Order for the OGG, and the person who wrote the Plan (in a separate collective farm) ensures its implementation (including reconnaissance).
- saw - report, clarify - execute.
... Gulf of Tonkin, Paracel, Spratly - armed conflicts in disputed (akhtung - border) waters and territories. The result - whoever is thicker, he and ....

[Orkraider]

We are talking about different things.
There is no need to describe a pattern of actions, the conversation is about something else.

We started with your statement:

Disembarkation / selection of a group, its fire cover, defeat of coastal targets.

And that there is no one to work for these goals, which will lead to:

it is able to "extinguish" 5 POGZ in the current state (this is a "hole" in 200-250 km along the GG front). With the ensuing consequences.

I say that there is someone to track and escort them in the current and near-term situation until mid-23 (while there will be two or 4 units) - and there is someone to work them out. In the event of a situation when there are 16 ...
Are you sure that the composition of the current group will not change? "Gray jackets" know how to think, even though because they swallowed the border guards, you clearly do not like them.

who is thicker

no outposts will be repaid, this is a different alignment and a completely different answer.
I wrote about this above, no one will send PSKA to shoot with PSKA.


By the way, did you pay attention to the ratio of PSKR to PSKA in the above table for this region? What do you think?

P.S:
Thank you for the dialogue, I realized that you clearly understand the topic, and it is pleasant to discuss with you, without any drawbacks and crowds of support. Border guard?

Merry Christmas to you!

[Runway]

Described (in an extremely simplified way) the "military" element of the OGG (thanks to separate "personalities", the OGG method is "operational-military" and the troops, let's say, are demilitarized and brought into the state of "employment bureau", which cannot but affect the solution of tasks).
Departments (former Pogz) and Departments (commandant's offices), for objective reasons, cannot protect themselves when small groups act on their PPD (an element of ensuring the input of "guests").
The operational component, alas, due to the interests of the "big brother" is sharpened for a heap of other tasks. And it cannot provide "opening" of preparations from the adjacent one.
I will not even write in a simplified way the organization of entering / receiving from us.
About shots between steamers - when choosing between a knife and a pistol, I would choose a pistol.
On the Black Sea-Azov section, we have a length of roughly 2500 km along the coast and about 15 sea posts (ports) with active traffic of both small size and sea transport.
SBHR funds are saturated with those areas where the probability or conditions are more conducive to NGH or NDT.
Then (roughly) to provide 40-50 "branches" and 15 checkpoints / pp the available number of PSKR / PSKA / patrol steamers and galleys is not enough (even if all steamers are simultaneously pushed into service).
The attitude to the "gray jackets" who worked "on the ground" is normal. To a young "tribe" - negative, as well as to "happy people". This is subjective, but what to do.
Yes, from the Pedestrian Troops. And you and NG!

[Orkraider]

But on the whole, I agree with you that one should not be dismissive and not assess the risks. Any opponent requires a balanced approach and careful analysis.
Any.

[petrol cutter]

Judging by the photo, this is an analogue of "Sargan".
Only the bow turret of our steamer compares favorably with the enemy in that the shooter / machine gun / cannon operator will not stand on the deck knee-deep in water. And in the autumn / spring / yes, at any time, this region is not pleasant and coldly annoying. I'll tell you.
Remotely control at sea on a point two waves ...
You will hardly get anywhere ...
Crew ten people!?. What are all these people doing there?
There are three people on "Sargan" ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Crew ten people!?. What are all these people doing there?
There are three people on "Sargan" ...

There are two 30 mm cannons on the amerovsky boat, here you have + 4-6 more weapons operators.

"Sargan" patrolman with machine-gun armament, amerovskie boats are much more powerful than two 30 mm guns.

Even Grachenok falls short of armament.

The boat Mark 6 is good and fast and powerful + can carry troops.

[petrol cutter]

Not quite clear.
The guns must be assumed to be automatic loading.
Why are there 4-5 people there? ... Bringing shells from the huge holds? ...
Not like '40. And the steamer is not Royal Oak ...

[Avior]

these are automatic cannons with projectile switching.

they are in different versions, I don't know which one will be supplied

[petrol cutter]

There are always options.
If the barbet of such a gun fits.
And how it will affect the stability of the ship. But, these are questions for the designer.
I'm not a constructor.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It is necessary to load the guns only before going to sea, and it is clearly not the boat commander and not the diesel operator who should aim at the target and fire from them, but the operator of this system, there are two of them and sit in front of the monitors where information from the sights is displayed constantly, that is, probably there are also replacement crew members. Here are 4 or 6 people serving only these guns, and the rest are the commander, chief officer and diesel operator. Apart from the landing.

[Orkraider]

Welcome

Even Grachenok falls short of armament.

And what does the Rook have to do with it?
These are purely anti-sabotage boats, the tasks are different, hence the composition of the weapons is different.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, it is clear that the tasks are different, I'm just trying to compare this American boat with some of ours.

[Orkraider]

I would compare it with the 12200 Sobol project.
True, Vikhr-K with AK-306 is not installed on them. In the series they are with a curbstone, although, if the customer wishes, they can install Vikhr-K, although then they will have to be displayed for a while

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, yes, Sable is getting closer.

[Brturin]

Quote: Petrol cutter

What are all these people doing there?

two 25-mm automatic remote-controlled installations Mk 38 Mod 2 and six 12,7-mm M2 machine guns on turret mounts - for each - already 8 ... just how to feed them all ...

[Avior]

Sargan is five times smaller - 12 tons against 70 tons for this boat. They are completely different.
There are no problems with the remote control of the MSI Seahawk A2 installation - the platform of the weapon is gyro-stabilized.

a single cannon naval mount that is gyro stabilized, electrically operated and self contained gun mounting featuring a choice of cannon, control mode and sights.

MSI Seahawk A2 artillery mounts have special mounts for attaching a dual rocket module.
The installation is used on ships of different classes, from destroyers to patrol boats. A very modern setup.

[petrol cutter]

Now everything is gyro-stabilized everywhere.
However, watch the real shooting at sea. The actual percentage of hits and the consumption of ammunition per hit.
Therefore, the naval forces probably moved away from the artillery (as from the main armament) towards the missiles ...

[Avior]

the installation is very actively used on a wide variety of ships of all sizes.
Of course, there are restrictions on the wave for use, but 2 points are hard to believe.
rockets there can also be an option.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Petrol cutter

However, watch the real shooting at sea.

Small-caliber cannons in the sea are not very effective because of the wind - a light shell deviates strongly, and there is always wind in the sea. Almost always. It turns out to effectively shoot well for a mile, for a mile and a half. Further - not. Everything flies to hell.
This is not for you to shoot with a 6-kilogram cucumber from a three-inch bag, it's another matter entirely.

[stoqn477]

For example, one is a boat commander, helmsman, navigator (operator of navigation systems, although the commander can play with him), at least 2-4 operators and weapons maintenance personnel, and at least 2 mechanics. One in reserve.

[petrol cutter]

"For example, one is a boat commander, a helmsman, a navigator (an operator of navigation systems, although the commander can play with it), at least 2-4 operators and weapons maintenance personnel and at least 2 mechanics. One is in reserve. Laughing"
This is not a cruiser or even a destroyer.
This is just a boat for the Sea of ​​Azov ...
What to do with so many surface operators ...
Plus the calculations of "tower gun mounts" ....
Plus ten servicemen of gun crews ...

[Rzzz]

2 mechanics there why? To throw coal into the furnace?
There are no mechanics at all on modern boats. What for mechanics when everything is automated. You can get into the car there. Mechanics must meet him on the shore.

[Marconi41]

Quote: stoqn477

For example, one is a boat commander, helmsman, navigator (operator of navigation systems, although the commander can play with him), at least 2-4 operators and weapons maintenance personnel, and at least 2 mechanics. One in reserve.

Everything is simple here. Three-shift most likely.

[Avior]

it is unlikely that it is so flooded, by the way - the nose is quite high

[petrol cutter]

At the theater of operations of the Black Sea, a normal storm situation is two and a half or three.
We must proceed from this.
It is not for nothing that our manufacturer declares the seaworthiness of its vessels at least three points.
In such a surface situation, machine gun / cannon firing tends to zero.
Its effectiveness. I wanted to say ...

[Avior]

here you can request a technical description.
http://www.msi-dsl.com/products/seahawk-a2/
But I didn’t think of writing this to them, so they could send it to me
Maybe you can come up with something and we will find out the details

[petrol cutter]

Yes, God would be with that boat.
The main thing is that our people do not sleep.
I'm really tired of reporting that UA are not rattles.
We must take her seriously. However

[petrol cutter]

The photo is gorgeous. On calm waters.
Now multiply the roughness of the sea by three ...
And the base of the torpedo boats will no longer release the TC into the sea.
From the word, absolutely.

[Laksamana besar]

No, Sobol (project 12200) is much closer:

[Vladimir61]

Cruising range 690 miles at a speed of 30 knots

Serious stock ... ! In their territorial waters, back and forth, back and forth, you can swim for half a year.

[Avior]

The picture with the map is misleading.
Russia and Ukraine agreed that the Sea of ​​Azov was internal, but did not agree on the rules for dividing the Sea of ​​Azov. We could only define and fix only the median line.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In my opinion, such boats for Ukraine are like for a beggar Mercedes, at first it's cool and fun, and then the car is idle because there is no money for repairs and spare parts.

The same thing happened with Georgia, they gave them missile boats, and by the 2008 war they could not go to sea.

The more the Maidan government of Ukraine spends on the navy, the less will remain for the ground forces, and it is suicide for them to fight with us, so they will not go to that.

But the boats are certainly not bad, they can arrange some kind of provocation, like that attempt to break through under the Kerch bridge.

[Angry]

So, from a "democratic" free country they made a "cheating mongrel" for their neighbors.

[Retvizan 8]

... "The first six US boats will be transferred to the Ukrainian Navy as aid" ...
What good news for American taxpayers!
You yourself will go to the hospital without health insurance, but Ukraine, which the average American will not show on a map, will receive "help"!

[Retvizan 8]

... "The United States plans to sell 16 boats to Ukraine" ...
Well, congratulations're coming out of the Navy on the good news!
Now you can safely add 16 new admirals to the staff!

[impostor]

What brand of plumbing is installed on these boats? So, out of idle curiosity?

[Laksamana besar]

"Ukrzaliznytsia".

[Poetry]

What a nightmare. Katz offers to surrender.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Sniff at double the price.

[Alexy]

It is a shame that such ukronatsiks are born in Sevastopol, the city of Russian glory.

[Kushka]

The last Bandera visionary Siry, whom
The NKVD smoked out of the cache in 1951 (!), Was from
the glorious Russian city of Donetsk.

[APASUS]

Somehow, the Ukrainian Navy is gaining momentum for re-equipment. First, two Island-class patrol boats, now they must supply 16 Mark VI patrol boats, the British are to receive five large Q 04 Barzan missile boats.
All this is understandable, the question is rather that the maintenance of the fleet is really big money. They cannot support their own fleet, but here everything is imported, from cartridges and spare parts, to banal fuels and lubricants, this technique will not work on coal. Or, as usual, they will hope that the USA will pay for everything?

[petrol cutter]

Will pay. Please don’t worry.

[Avior]

Add 6 more Icelands and 4 Turkish corvettes

[Dimide]

Colleague, clarification - not the classic "Barzan", but something based on, in accordance with the "Wishlist" of the Ukrainian Navy + "French" on the way

[Dimide]

Yes, these boats and griffens are small things, we have calibers and zircons.
Throw me pluses
But seriously, in five years, the Naval Forces of Ukraine + the ground component will pose a serious threat in the Azov-Black Sea region

[petrol cutter]

Colleague agree with you.

[Dimide]

Similarly colleague.This year, the militarized Islands will come + 3 divisions Neptune + Alder-M + target designation from Bayraktar
There is infa about the intensification of work on "Sapsan", in the world Thunder-2 (the second complex is undergoing state)

[lopvlad]

In total, the US Department of Defense Agency for Military Cooperation plans to sell 16 Mk VI boats to Ukraine, totaling $ 600 million, including crew training and technical support. The first six US boats will be handed over to the Ukrainian Navy as assistance, the remaining ten will be bought by Kiev at its own expense. At the same time, it is specified that the delivery of the first two boats will be financed within the framework of the military aid allocated to Ukraine.

it is probably worth recalling that in 2021 the United States will allocate only $ 250 million to Ukraine as assistance. Since the first six boats will be paid from this amount and their cost will be $ 225 million, then $ 25 million will remain from assistance to Ukraine. At the same time, Ukraine itself will have to scrape up Somewhere around $ 350 million for the purchase, don't understand why, because apart from Ukraine, despite the fact that the boat has been produced since 2015, no country in the world has dared to buy it so far.
It is especially embarrassing that the crew of this boat is more than it can take passengers (crew of 10 people + 8 passengers).

In the standard version, the boat is armed with two 25-mm automatic remote-controlled Mk 38 Mod 2 mounts and six 12,7-mm M2 machine guns on turret mounts.

a bit of a mistake crept in. For the armament of this boat is variable, but you can simply choose one of the options presented;

1) two 25-mm automatic remotely controlled installations Mk 38 Mod 2
2) six 12,7 mm M2 machine guns on turret mounts.
3) 40-mm automatic grenade launchers Mk 19
4) installation of guided missiles such as BGM-176B Griffin

you cannot choose more than one option.

[petrol cutter]

Griffin must be chosen. The blind can see this.

[Avior]

Have you looked at the photo in the screensaver? There are guns and machine guns together

[lopvlad]

Quote: Avior

Have you looked at the photo in the screensaver?

And what to look at. There are 6 mounting places (and the Mk 38 Mod 2 installation can be installed one at the bow and aft in strictly defined places). Or two 25-mm automatic remote-controlled Mk 38 Mod 2 installations and four turrets for 12,7 mm M2 machine guns or only six turrets for machine guns. As for the picture at the beginning, you can see only one Mk 38 Mod 2 installation and two 12,7 mm M2 machine guns on the turrets.

[Avior]

What u then you write options

you can simply choose one of the options presented;

1) two 25-mm automatic remotely controlled installations Mk 38 Mod 2
2) six 12,7 mm M2 machine guns on turret mounts.
3) 40-mm automatic grenade launchers Mk 19
4) installation of guided missiles such as BGM-176B Griffin

Although there are clearly intermediate

[lopvlad]

Quote: Avior

Although there are clearly intermediate

the bundle that the Americans put themselves and the bundle that they sell completely different things. The same foreign Wikipedia writes something or that or another.
For me, it is more profitable for the Americans to sell a complete set in the form of two automatic 25-mm artillery mounts BAE Systems "Rafael Mk 38 Mod 2" and thereby hooking the Ukrainians on the purchase of ammunition and spare parts for these installations, especially since for a potential enemy in the event of the capture of boats such installations are not of interest.

[CommanderDIVA]

It is unlikely that American and British boats in the service of the Ukrainian Navy will be able to pose a serious threat to our Black Sea Fleet or communications in the Azov and Black Seas, the United States allocates money to Ukraine for the purchase of American weapons, i.e. the Americans will return their own money to themselves, plus they will load their factories with orders for the Ukrainian Navy, the Yankees, British, Turks and others are competently solving the commercial problem of long-term implantation of the Ukrainian armed forces into their armaments, expanding the markets for their weapons systems

[xomaNN]

The Commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Rear Admiral Oleksiy Neizhpapa, has already announced that a division of such boats will be deployed in the Sea of ​​Azov.

Those. expected "Kerch pseudo-breakthrough number 2 ??

[stoqn477]

Quote: rzzz

2 mechanics there why? To throw coal into the furnace?
There are no mechanics at all on modern boats. What for mechanics when everything is automated. You can get into the car there. Mechanics must meet him on the shore.

Even if it is modern, no one has eliminated the need to monitor motors and various systems. If something breaks down and is easily removed with the spare parts available, someone has to replace it and continue sailing.