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"Figures are not final": Armenia released new data on losses in Nagorno-Karabakh

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"Figures are not final": Armenia released new data on losses in Nagorno-Karabakh

Armenia has released new data on those killed in Nagorno-Karabakh. According to the statement of the Ministry of Health of the republic, the death toll since the beginning of the conflict was 3360 people.


According to the Minister of Health of Armenia Arsen Torosyan, to date, forensic experts have managed to identify the remains of 3360 Armenian soldiers who died during the last military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. At the same time, it is noted that these are not final figures.

Employees of the forensic medical examination service conducted an examination of the bodies or remains of 3360 soldiers who died in Nagorno-Karabakh. Also, more than 2500 forensic genetic examinations were carried out

- said Torosyan, adding that the identification of the remains of the military is complicated by a number of problems in the forensic medical examination and the lack of appropriate equipment.

To date, there is only one genetic analyzer in the country, with the help of which it was possible to identify the remains of 461 deceased, the rest of the examinations were carried out using "old and inaccurate devices." The second analyzer has already been purchased; with its commissioning, the examination will be carried out faster.

It should be noted that Azerbaijan has published the only list of those killed in Nagorno-Karabakh so far. According to official data in Baku, the Azerbaijani army lost 2723 servicemen during the conflict. All the victims have already been buried; other lists have not been published.

Ismail Akhundov, head of the working group of the State Commission for Prisoners of War, Hostages and Missing Citizens of Azerbaijan, said on the eve that 334 bodies of Azerbaijani soldiers and bodies of 988 Armenian servicemen were found on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, the search does not stop.

At the same time, both Yerevan and Baku admit that a certain number of servicemen are missing and may be in captivity. Negotiations on the exchange of prisoners with the mediation of Russian peacekeepers continue.
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  1. Tatyana
    Tatyana 6 January 2021 16: 03
    +10
    "The numbers are not final"

    Hurry, living servicemen - participants in the war on both sides - returned to their homes to their relatives and friends, and the bodies of the dead were buried in the ground in a normal way!
    God rest the peace of their souls!
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 16: 09
      +2
      As for the losses, what the Armenians themselves write:
      On November 14 Mikael Minasyan accused Nikol Pashinyan on his Facebook page of hiding the number of our losses from the public. I will give a detailed quote from the post:

      “And the fact is that 5 days ago, the SNB reported to Nikol that as of now we have:
      2250 dead and trapped in the morgue
      1400 dead and not yet taken to the morgue
      1100 missing.
      4750 confirmed deaths, which, according to the document, were reported to the RA Prime Minister.
      4750 names, surnames and destinies.
      4750 families broken from grief.
      4750 extinguished hopes.
      4750 is not a number, it is our body and blood. A whole generation. Big City".

      Recently it became known that Anna Hakobyan is organizing New Year events for 4750 children aged 2-6 years, resettled from Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia. Not 4700 and not 4800 gifts.

      This is not a coincidence, but a cynical mockery.

      And today the residents of Stepanakert were forced to dismantle the New Year tree and the tents installed at the initiative of the wife of the Armenian Prime Minister Anna Hakobyan.

      @garnanmior
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 6 January 2021 17: 54
        0
        That's right, I read this source, and the approximate figure of 5000 deaths correlates well with all indirect data.
        However, the same source writes about losses on the other hand, it's surprising why you kept silent about this:
        On December 2723, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry published a list of 2500 buried Azerbaijani soldiers. At the same time, it was reported that not all the victims were identified and that there are still missing persons, whose search continues. I must say that not long before that, an unofficial list of XNUMX dead Azerbaijani soldiers appeared on the Internet, collected on the basis of materials from social networks.
        Already on December 860, it was reported that during the month of search operations, about two thousand bodies of the dead were found and transferred to the parties to the conflict. At the same time, the Ministry of Health of Armenia reported that at that time 1200 bodies of dead Armenians were found. Those. the remaining XNUMX bodies found were Azerbaijani.
        Of the 2700 dead, 1200 were found only after the war - sounds dubious, doesn't it? Most of the dead Azerbaijanis remained in, in fact, Azerbaijani territory, but they also needed to conduct search operations in order to find bodies in swamps and forests. The Azerbaijanis could find some of the bodies on their own, without involving joint search groups, and they were not included in the statistics of 2000 found.

        In general, I decided to take the names of Azerbaijanis, 100% of those killed, and check if they are on the list. To begin with, I took a photo-video of the Armenian side, in which documents appeared with the personal data of the killed Azerbaijani soldiers. It turned out that the following Azerbaijani servicemen are not on the list of the dead:
        Qocayev Vuqar
        Əkbərov Nurlan 1998
        Dadaşov Ramal 1995
        Novruzov Nicat 1999
        Sadiqli Altay 1998
        Ələkbərli AA, kapitan

        Their bodies at one time ended up on the Armenian side. Perhaps they are not on the list because their bodies have not yet been identified, or have not been found. After all, only the buried are on the list. It must be said that the names of some other victims, whose bodies ended up in the hands of the Armenian side and whose documents were published, are on the list.

        On October 23 of this year, journalists from the BBC Russian Service visited the cemetery in the city of Mingachevir and found 26 fresh soldiers' graves there. The report listed the names of some of those buried: Elman Aliyev, Shahmar Seyidov, Kyanan Abdullaev, Niyazi Iskenderov. The names of the first three are on the list, but Niyazi is not, although he has been buried for a month and a half.

        On the YouTube channel Oguz_WS there are videos about martyrs-natives of the Oguz region, some are on the list, some are not.

        I decided to go through the Azerbaijani Internet and look for materials about martyrs there. It is obvious that they will write about their dead sons / brothers / friends after they are buried.

        On October 2, a warrant officer, special forces soldier Abdurrahmanov Elvin was killed in battles near Fizuli. There is a video on the Internet (dated November 12) from his funeral. He is not on the list of the dead.
        On November 17, Musavat published a report about martyr Lieutenant Abbaslının Teymur (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1QZklq-qj4). He is not on the list of the dead.
        On November 4, posts about the martyr Abasov Ayaz Nizami oğlu appeared on social networks. He is not on the lists of the dead.

        The list could go on for a long time, but you get the point. The Azerbaijani list of the dead is incomplete, there are not even buried soldiers in it. One can only guess what losses the Azerbaijani army actually suffered.

        Upd: the article originally contained a line about Atakişiyev Kamil. It turned out that he was on the list of the dead, born in 2000, an asker. But the person in the photo on the list does not look like the person whose photo is at the funeral.
        They also write that Abbasov Teymur Feyruz oğlu is on the list. There was a misunderstanding with his surname - it turns out that Abbasli was written according to the old system, Abbasov according to the new one.

        There are other indirect data indicating a significant underestimation of Azerbaijani losses. For example, the abnormal disproportion between the dead officers (including the highest ones) and the soldiers, more than 1: 5.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 18: 05
          +2
          Azerbaijan recognizes 2827 killed, I admit that there are several hundred unaccounted for, missing, injured, dead in hospitals, etc., but the total number is clearly less than 3500.
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 6 January 2021 18: 10
            -4
            but clearly the total is less than 3500.

            Explicitly? Really? Justify.
            The essence of the above is that there are not even those buried in the Azerbaijani list!
            1. alone
              alone 6 January 2021 18: 41
              +4
              Quote: Artavazdych
              The essence of the above is that there are not even those buried in the Azerbaijani list!

              There are many lists .. in one of them I even found myself .. among the dead. .so you shouldn't believe what is written on the Internet.
              The proportion of officers is not 1 to 5, but 1 to 7. We have separate units staffed with officers and warrant officers. So it is not surprising that the proportion is such.
              How can you explain the fact that your lists do not take into account the losses of the Karabakh Armenians? and also there is no list of dead foreign citizens?
              1. Artavazdych
                Artavazdych 6 January 2021 18: 51
                -4
                The proportion of officers is not 1 to 5, but 1 to 7

                Why lie?
                We take the official data of 460 officers (there is even a little more, I don’t remember the exact number, but oh well). 2723 total losses, subtract one from the other and divide, we get a ratio of 1: 4,9.
                You can continue to discuss the rest of the points - there is no desire
                1. alone
                  alone 6 January 2021 19: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Artavazdych
                  We take the official data of 460 officers (there is even a little more, I don’t remember the exact number, but oh well

                  The exact figure is 360-370 people. ..there is a complete list of the dead with titles ..the proportion is 1 to 7,6 .. so who's lying? You or me?
                  1. Artavazdych
                    Artavazdych 6 January 2021 19: 46
                    -4
                    Oh, really, 370 people.
                    Forgot)
                    Then it turns out 1: 6,3
                    1. alone
                      alone 6 January 2021 19: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: Artavazdych
                      , however, 370 people.
                      Forgot)

                      2823 divided by 370 is 7,62 .. You also have problems with math recourse
                      1. Artavazdych
                        Artavazdych 6 January 2021 20: 03
                        -4
                        And here it is not necessary.
                        Not 2823, but 2723. These are losses of a month ago, like the officers.
                        Then 2723-370 are soldiers' losses. We divide 2347/370, we get ~ 6,3.
                        Is it you have a problem with math, or you are trying to speculate. The same goes for other points.
                      2. alone
                        alone 6 January 2021 20: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Artavazdych
                        The same goes for other points.

                        Officially, 2823 were lost ... numbers 2723 were never there ... it was originally 2783 ... you have an interesting division ... first you separate the officers from the total number ... and then divide them ... 2347 it's not all soldiers ... I didn't know that warrant officers and warrant officers too are considered soldiers. Did you ever serve or not?
                        The officers did not hide behind their backs and walked boldly in the forefront .. + SPN forces are staffed with officers and warrant officers. There are no ordinary soldiers .. The officers fought, and did not run away from the battlefield in ambulances like some
                      3. Artavazdych
                        Artavazdych 6 January 2021 20: 38
                        -7
                        Gee! Do not make me laugh!
                        The first figure uttered by the Aliyev propaganda was exactly 2723. These are all officers, soldiers, warrant officers and warrant officers. In the same period, the list of officers, 384, was published. I was not too lazy, I counted it exactly now.
                        Subtracting 384 from the total, we get the number of soldiers, warrant officers and warrant officers. We divide this by the number of officers, we get the ratio of losses of the lower echelon to the officer, 6,1 to 1. If we take only the soldiers, then the ratio will be even worse. True, very few ensigns died there.
                        Well, last but not least. Someone here quoted the number of unofficial Armenian losses above. And I cited the official Azerbaijani losses as a counterargument.
                        The difference needs to be explained? No, if for you Azerbaijani propaganda is the standard of truthfulness, then what is the dispute about ...
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 7 January 2021 12: 09
                        +1
                        Prepare for the losses of Armenia in the region of 5000 today, 3390 were identified - and tomorrow there will be additions and admit Armenia in this war has crap in full.
                    2. Artavazdych
                      Artavazdych 6 January 2021 23: 17
                      -4
                      So why did you shut up? There is nothing to argue - we decided to get off with a minus sign ...
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 6 January 2021 16: 12
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    God rest the peace of their souls!

    There, half with the Lord, half with Allah, and peace is needed not by the dead, but by the living. But there is only doubt that the former will humble themselves, and the latter will calm down. The conflict is hundreds of years old, it has not extinguished, even in the "family of nations".
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 6 January 2021 16: 18
      +11
      Quote: Vladimir61
      peace is needed not by the dead, but by the living.

      Peace and tranquility in souls is needed both by the dead and the living!
      According to the belief, the person died, but his soul continues to live and in the dreams of the survivors he sometimes reminds them of himself!
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 6 January 2021 19: 20
    +5
    On the Borodino field, the last victims were buried in 1912, a hundred lots after the battle ...
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 6 January 2021 16: 10
    +6
    Now I would explain to mothers
    that their children, husbands died because of
    failure of politicians to agree.
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 6 January 2021 16: 41
      +4
      Quote: DKuznecov
      Now I would explain to mothers
      that their children, husbands died because of
      failure of politicians to agree.

      I myself left Armenia in 92 in the midst of the last war. So, no matter how sad it is, in 25-30 years, when the pain cools down, everything will start anew. Maybe not, and maybe even worse, but they will always shoot stealthily. hi
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 6 January 2021 16: 48
        +3
        So, no matter how sad it is, in 25-30 years, when the pain cools down, and everything will start over again.

        Will not start. Armenians have no chance now and will not have a chance in the future. hi
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim 6 January 2021 16: 57
          +3
          Quote: Alex777
          Armenians have no chance now and will not have a chance in the future.

          There they, and not only the Armenians, have always had, are, and will have chances, but also opportunities to bleed each other. What are they doing there all their history.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 6 January 2021 17: 07
            +5
            https://countrymeters.info/ru/Armenia#historical_population
            https://countrymeters.info/ru/Azerbaijan#historical_population
            In 1991, the population of Armenia was 3,5 million and has declined since then by ~ 500.
            In 1991. the population of Azerbaijan was 7,3 million and has grown since then to 10 million.
            The Armenians have no chance and will not.
            They have no normal ruler.
            And there is a ruler in Azerbaijan. hi
            Permanent and successful, by the way. wink
            1. alone
              alone 6 January 2021 17: 44
              +6
              Quote: Alex777
              They have no normal ruler.

              The society must understand that it is necessary to live in peace and harmony with neighbors without any territorial claims. .Any political figure who stutters about this is declared a traitor to national interests. Just yesterday, one of the Armenian generals by the name of Balasanyan said that the statement of November 10 was not a decree to him. What would you order to do with such persons? After all, this is a direct threat to your soldiers who are serving there ...
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 6 January 2021 23: 02
              +1
              Yes. Surprisingly, during the life of Aliyev Sr. he had a reputation for gouging.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 9 January 2021 16: 13
        0
        I was in Armenia (Stepanavan) in 1987. We lived in a sanatorium. I saw that between Armenians and Azerbaijanis-vacationers, there was clearly an abnormal relationship. Then it surprised me.
  • bar
    bar 6 January 2021 16: 35
    0
    The Azerbaijanis, as the attacking side, should have more losses than the Armenians. Experts have long stated a figure of about 10.000 total losses from both sides. This is where it goes. sad
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 16: 42
      +8
      Do Americans in Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan have more casualties than the enemy? Does Russia in the second Chechen, 888, Syria also have more losses?
    2. Ural resident
      Ural resident 6 January 2021 16: 47
      +12
      Quote: bar
      The Azerbaijanis, as the attacking side, should have more losses than the Armenians. Experts have long stated a figure of about 10.000 total losses from both sides. This is where it goes. sad

      Now, not 1 world, when the infantry went to machine guns. such a calculation has not worked for a long time. The attacking side may not suffer great losses. Here Azerbaijan suffered losses mainly at the beginning of operations, when it tried to enter with large forces and came under artillery. After the Armenians had carried out the main part of the equipment from the air, the losses were small, and even then among the mercenaries, who were allowed to advance in hot areas. The special forces had losses, as they were at the forefront of the attack, but these are definitely not thousands. Most likely about 3 thousand total losses of Azerbaijan. The Armenians have more because of the disorganization after the first defeats and losses from the air.
      1. bar
        bar 6 January 2021 17: 08
        +2
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        Now, not 1 world, when the infantry went to the machine guns.

        In this war, the defending Armenian side was mainly on the heights, blocking possible offensive sites, while the Azerbaijanis advanced from the valleys. This time. And two - there were multiple cases when the Azerbaijani infantry was ambushed by the attacks of Armenian MLRS. And this is much worse than the machine guns of the 1st World War.
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 7 January 2021 12: 47
      0
      The Azerbaijanis, as the attacking side, should have more losses than the Armenians.

      The statement is true for relatively equal forces.
      Azerbaijan's advantage was overwhelming.
      1. bar
        bar 7 January 2021 12: 56
        0
        Quote: Alex777
        The statement is true for relatively equal forces.
        Azerbaijan's advantage was overwhelming.

        "Relatively equal forces" do not go on the offensive. And yes, Azerbaijan naturally had an advantage, that's why they won. But this does not in any way negate the greater losses of the attacking side in comparison with the defending side.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 7 January 2021 12: 57
          -1
          Remember Suvorov and Ishmael.
          There were more Turks in the fortress.
          They suffered losses more than 5 times higher.
          Do not persist in dogma. Not everything is clear. hi
          1. bar
            bar 7 January 2021 13: 06
            0
            As you say hi hi
          2. ABC
            ABC 7 January 2021 14: 04
            -1
            Quote: Alex777
            Remember Suvorov and Ishmael.
            There were more Turks in the fortress.
            They suffered losses more than 5 times higher.

            But this time the Azeris were not commanded by Suvorov, but on the contrary by the very Turks. tongue
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 January 2021 01: 05
              0
              So they did not fight with Russia. wink
    4. 210ox
      210ox 9 January 2021 16: 15
      +1
      In this war, the opposite is true. The disorganized army of Artsakh could not oppose anything. Except for the blood of his soldiers.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 January 2021 17: 02
    -1
    There is only one question - will they be able to live peacefully among themselves, or is it just a matter of time before a reply from the Armenians?
    1. bar
      bar 7 January 2021 13: 02
      +2
      They will never live peacefully, but there will be no response from the Armenians either. Armenia is an impoverished dying state, and it will only get worse in the future. What kind of answer is there ...
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 17: 47
    +1
    334 bodies of Azerbaijani soldiers were found on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh


    And what is so much if they attacked successfully? + was everything good in the air?
    1. alone
      alone 6 January 2021 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      what is so much if they attacked successfully? + was everything good in the air?

      Even if everything was fine in the air, as long as the infantry does not occupy the area, the territory is not considered conquered. .Fighting went along the entire perimeter ... and it is measured in hundreds of kilometers. .Of course, every life is precious .. But if the front line is 300 km long, then 334 dead is a relatively small number ..
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 17: 57
        0
        I'm talking about something else - if they attacked and occupied the territory, why were so many corpses found later?
        1. alone
          alone 6 January 2021 18: 13
          +6
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          territory, why so many corpses were found later?

          The offensive in Shusha and Lachin went through the mountainous and wooded areas. In addition, reconnaissance groups operated in the rear ... in the northern direction there are mountains with a height of 3000 m and higher ... so it is not surprising that some of the dead were found after the cessation of hostilities. .That still in the liberated territories they find and transfer the corpses of the Armenian military to the neighboring side ... not 988, as it is written in the article, but already somewhere around 1200
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 22: 18
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            not 988, as written in the article, but already somewhere around 1200

            News from today:
            The bodies of 4 Armenian servicemen were found during search operations in the Sugovushan area.

            In total, from November 13, 2020 to January 5, 2021, the bodies of 1182 Armenian soldiers and 7 civilians were found.
            1. Seal
              Seal 8 January 2021 01: 21
              0
              There are a few points.
              A full-time career army fought from Azerbaijan. Now I do not take into account the various Syrians and Kurds who fought for one side or another.
              And what about the Armenians?
              From the side of the Armenians they fought:
              1. The army of Karabakh, according to Arayik Harutyunyan, consisted of 90% of conscripts from Armenia and 10% of the Karabakh people themselves (mainly artillerymen and special forces).
              2. Sent from the Army of Armenia, which sent its soldiers and officers to support the Army of Karabakh. There are confessions of the Armenians on the Internet that they "are fighting in Karabakh for 3 days, then they return to Armenia for 3-6 days for rest, then on a new one."
              3. The Armenian police forces, which were also sent to Karabakh ..
              4 organized militia recorded
              5. Partially counted militia (when unaccounted volunteers were added to the counted volunteers during the play).
              6. Generally not accounted for militias, including those who arrived from Russia, from Europe, from across the ocean.
              That is, the Armenian side did not even know what forces it actually fought with.
              A significant number of Armenians may still be buried in dugouts, cracks, and other holes dug by Armenians to hide from UAVs. And these same UAVs were often hammered into such shelters. Moreover, since these "mass graves" are located on the territory controlled by Azerbaijanis, hell knows if they will ever be excavated at all. Since the Azerbaijanis do not need these excavations on figs, and the Armenian side did not order them, much less pay.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 17: 59
      -3
      So the Armenians are not bastard. They fought steadfastly and skillfully.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 18: 01
        0
        Well, I can't disagree in principle ... But the Rollers formed a completely different picture in the mass consciousness ...
        I had completely different sensations .. hi
        1. alone
          alone 6 January 2021 18: 15
          +4
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Well, I can't disagree in principle ... But the Rollers formed a completely different picture in the mass consciousness ...
          I had completely different sensations ..

          Well, the videos showed how BLPA works .. For example, they took Shusha almost hand-to-hand in contact combat ... so losses are inevitable
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 18: 57
            -2
            Quote: lonely
            hand-to-hand in contact

            This is a fairy tale, hand-to-hand combat is meaningless. They worked mostly as a sniper.
            1. alone
              alone 6 January 2021 19: 11
              +3
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              This is a fairy tale, hand-to-hand combat is meaningless. They worked mostly as a sniper.

              Well, Armenian sources wrote about many wounded from Shushi who had knife wounds. Snipers cannot inflict knife wounds. But the veracity of these messages will be left on the conscience of those who transmitted it
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 19: 38
                +4
                Oh .. Aren't you tired of the Armenian lies yet? Over there it is pouring in, has not calmed down yet.
                1. alone
                  alone 6 January 2021 20: 25
                  +6
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  Aren't you tired of the Armenian lies yet?

                  crying the forces are gone ... the most interesting thing is that they claim that the city was surrendered without a fight ... and then for a whole week they collected their corpses in hundreds ... how did they die if there was no fight? .. Why, for the sake of what so vile to act with your dead? Unclear request
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 22: 06
                    +6
                    I'm just surprised how much they lie. The main thing is why? Well, okay honest ± 30% lies like everyone else. To embellish, smooth out, hide military secrets is the norm. But when is easily verified facts denied? When Pashinyan leaves, so much information will emerge ...
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 6 January 2021 23: 06
                  +1
                  The Azerbaijani media proudly wrote about hand-to-hand combat with the participation of special forces.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 23: 47
                    +1
                    A beautiful legend, nothing more. There is absolutely no point in hand-to-hand combat.
                    To engage in hand-to-hand combat, a spetsnaz fighter must lose an assault rifle, pistol, knife, waist belt, shovel, body armor, helmet on the battlefield. Find a flat area on which not a single stone or stick is lying around. And engage in a fierce battle with the same schedule ...
            2. Albay
              Albay 7 January 2021 16: 14
              +2
              Fiery cat, I also think that hand-to-hand combat is embellished, but the first special forces units entered the city from the side of the rocks and having only small arms and a minimum of ammunition with them. I think the battle was fierce and dense on the second day. There is evidence that there were groups that Having taken a post on the outskirts of the city, they remained unnoticed for two days, there may have been used knives to secretly seize the post, but I do not believe in massive hand-to-hand combat.
  • alone
    alone 6 January 2021 20: 49
    +2
    Quote: Artavazdych
    Gee! Do not make me laugh!
    The first figure uttered by the Aliyev propaganda was exactly 2723. These are all officers, soldiers, warrant officers and warrant officers. In the same period, the list of officers, 384, was published. I was not too lazy, I counted it exactly now.
    Subtracting 384 from the total, we get the number of soldiers, warrant officers and warrant officers. We divide this by the number of officers, we get the ratio of losses of the lower echelon to the officer, 6,1 to 1. If we take only the soldiers, then the ratio will be even worse. True, very few ensigns died there.
    Well, last but not least. Someone here quoted the number of unofficial Armenian losses above. And I cited the official Azerbaijani losses as a counterargument.
    The difference needs to be explained? No, if for you Azerbaijani propaganda is the standard of truthfulness, then what is the dispute about ...

    Here we are talking about the ratio of losses between military personnel and officers. In this situation, the number of officers is taken and it is divided by the total losses. I am not interested in who gave what figures about the Armenian losses, since it has not yet been officially announced what losses the Armenians have ... the numbers are different .. Because the calculation does not take into account the losses of the Karabakh Armenians, there is not a word about the losses among volunteers from abroad, there is no information about the losses of the Kurdish militants who fought as part of the Armenian troops ... We at least have an official figure .. You don't even have this figure .Because the current Armenian government is unprofitable to voice these figures ... And the judge by the way the corpses are still found, the losses are considerable ..
    As for campaigning, I am too old to believe everything written ... but the Armenians spent 44 days telling the fables of Hovhannisyan and Pegov .. You believe them
  • APASUS
    APASUS 6 January 2021 22: 49
    -2
    The defending Armenians have 3360 dead, and the advancing Azerbaijanis have 2723 servicemen.
    Which one of you is lying?
    1. alone
      alone 7 January 2021 01: 08
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      the advancing Azerbaijanis have 2723 servicemen.

      The attackers did not follow the machine guns in chains. , and the defenders received pinpoint strikes from BLPA and, plus, they worked from artillery ... Often with laser-guided shells. And further . 3360 is not all. .personally I'm waiting for the official information
    2. Albay
      Albay 7 January 2021 16: 18
      +2
      Apasus, it is necessary to take into account the absolute technical advantage and high training of the Azerbaijani army. The army of the 21st century attacked the army, even in some places on the "collective farm" of the 20th century, and therefore such a ratio.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 January 2021 16: 51
        -2
        Quote: Albay
        Apasus, it is necessary to take into account the absolute technical advantage and high training of the Azerbaijani army. The army of the 21st century attacked the army, even in some places on the "collective farm" of the 20th century, and therefore such a ratio.

        Proceeding from the fact that there were two lines of attack and the Azerbaijani army did not succeed much in the north, it does NOT get an absolute technical advantage and the Armenians are not always a "collective farm" of the 20th century, and Baku's losses are ridiculous for an offensive, they are not even equal to the defenders, they funny. The question is the same: Which of you is lying?
        1. Albay
          Albay 7 January 2021 18: 42
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          Apasus, where are the two strikes? Apparently the strike in the north was a diversion, in order to pin down the enemy's forces and reserves. After the capture of Sugovushan and the heights around Agdere, the Azerbaijani army did not advance there. And the losses there were minimal and in the first days of the war. So basically the Armenian army was a "collective farm".
        2. Albay
          Albay 7 January 2021 22: 02
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          Apasus, why the losses of the attacking side are ridiculous? With competent army management and technical superiority, this happens. In Iraq, in Serbia, in Chechnya, did the attackers have more losses?
          This was not a second world war, but a war between the army of the 21st century and the "collective farm" that remained in the 20th century.
  • Suleyman
    Suleyman 7 January 2021 17: 07
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    Quote: Artavazdych
    However, the same source writes about losses from the other side.

    The Azerbaijani side does not write about the Armenian losses. Why should we trust Armenian sources about Azerbaijani losses? By the way, all the names are aze. the servicemen in your post are provided by the Azerbaijani side in the first published list.
  • Seal
    Seal 8 January 2021 01: 03
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    Quote: bar
    But this does not in any way negate the greater losses of the attacking side compared to the defending side.
    And 1941 clearly confirms this, right?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 10 January 2021 19: 26
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    Perhaps I will seem strange, but I do not believe any of the others. The war in the media continues and here the leaders of the countries are already playing with the deaths of their soldiers.
    As soon as the Ministry of Defense of the two countries publishes the lists of the dead, the approximate places of death of the serviceman and the map, everything will be in place. And now it is even strange to read 1200 unidentified bodies from Armenians, the number of Azerbaijanis' losses does not change
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 January 2021 19: 38
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      Quote: APASUS
      Azerbaijanis the number of casualties does not change

      You are wrong, it is changing. The first message was infa about 2783 dead, now 2823.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 January 2021 19: 41
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        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        You are wrong, it is changing. The first message was infa about 2783 dead, now 2823.

        Stop it, that Azerbaijanis don't have genetic laboratories, there are no unidentified ones, or is everything so wonderful?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 January 2021 19: 43
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          "2783 servicemen were killed in the Patriotic War. 103 military personnel are identified by DNA analysis. More than 100 servicemen are considered missing. Steps are being taken to locate them and hand them over to their families. At present, 1245 servicemen are receiving treatment in the country's medical institutions, ”the Azerbaijani military department said in a release.

          103 unidentified were in 2783 killed, after that died and 40 more soldiers were found.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 11 January 2021 08: 36
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            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            ... Currently, 1245 servicemen are receiving treatment in medical institutions of the country, "the Azerbaijani military department said in a release.

            That's what I was talking about, not docking in the official information.
            With 2783 dead, 1245 wounded. As a rule, in hostilities 1-200 to 3-300, but what do we see here?
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 11 January 2021 19: 32
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              Today the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry has updated the list of the dead. There are 2841 names in it. Another 64 servicemen are considered missing.
              For the wounded, 1245 was at the time of publication, not all. Naturally, after 2,5 months after the start of the battles and a month after the end, most were discharged.