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New flamethrower system TOS-2 "Tosochka" began to enter the troops

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New flamethrower system TOS-2 "Tosochka" began to enter the troops

The newest heavy flame-throwing system TOS-2 ("Tosochka") went to the troops. According to the Ministry of Defense, the first vehicles were received by the Central Military District.


The new flamethrower system entered service with the mobile units of the RHBZ Central Military District, stationed in the Saratov region. According to the report, the equipment arrived at the end of 2020, the number of delivered copies was not reported.

(...) TOS-2 heavy flamethrower systems have been delivered to the mobile RCB protection units stationed in the Saratov region

- Reported the press service.

The fact that the TOS-2 flamethrower system will go to the troops at the end of 2020 was announced by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on the eve of the Caucasus-2020 exercises, where this system was to be tested in conditions close to combat. At the same time, the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, said that Tosochka was completing the tests.

The TOS-2 heavy flame-throwing system was created on the basis of the TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek", but in contrast to them it has a wheelbase and improved tactical and technical characteristics. Earlier it was reported about the creation of new ammunition for TOS-2. The machine was created taking into account the experience of using such weapons during the hostilities in the Middle East.

TOS-2 in the future will replace TOS-1 and TOS-1A, but track-mounted flamethrower systems will not be removed from service, but will be modernized. The modernized vehicles will receive modern digital communication facilities, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level. In addition, long-range ammunition from TOS-1 will be adapted for TOS-1 and TOS-2A, thereby increasing their range to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that by 2025 TOS-2 will replace all TOS-1 and TOS-1A in the Southern Military District. Tracked TPS will remain in service with the RChBZ troops in other regions where the use of wheeled vehicles is impractical.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 6 January 2021 09: 44
    +4
    ("Toosochka") went to the troops

    Yes, a terrible mess!
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 6 January 2021 10: 33
      -21%
      Quote: Victor_B
      ("Toosochka") went to the troops

      Yes, a terrible mess!

      Yeah. Just embody the horror. It depends on whom and how to fight this "Tosochka". With such a range, let someone invented it their children on it to the war and send it to start. Plus, those who thoughtlessly roll out to the front line will put their children in it. And they roll out. Here is a video from the recent conflict. The Armenians knocked out the TPS of the Azerbaijani army .. This weapon is terrible in its use, but no less terrible in handling it. Smoke the gang out of the cave, yes, but with such a range against any organized army No.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 10: 47
        -17%
        Quote: Observer2014
        It depends on whom and how to fight this "Tosochka"

        Naturally, with such a "range" and "armor" you don't even want to think against whom they are going to use this misunderstanding.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 6 January 2021 11: 00
          +7
          Naturally, with such a "range" and "armor" you don't even want to think against whom they are going to use this misunderstanding.

          In the town. There was an article about Königsberg and the work of flamethrowers.
          This was necessary in Grozny in 1995.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 11: 11
            -10%
            Quote: Arzt
            This was necessary in Grozny in 1995

            Well, not with the same armor and base !!
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 6 January 2021 11: 20
              +13
              Well, not with the same armor and base !!

              From the outskirts of the city, in certain quarters - quite!
              It is not easy to hide from thermobaric. There is no better way to clear the roads in front of the assault groups.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 11: 28
                -17%
                Quote: Arzt
                From the outskirts of the city, in certain quarters - quite!
                It is not easy to hide from thermobaric.
                Voo, you understand in pinpoint strikes! lol Isn't it easier to roll everything into a thin pancake with aviation?
                Quote: Arzt
                There is no better way to clear roads in front of assault groups
                Well, why then assault groups? Yet burned out and ruined. And in the city they always rolled out something maximum armored direct fire, if any, tanks, ISU-152, Shturmtigry. Where does this Ural have something at least from a large-caliber machine gun?
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 6 January 2021 11: 42
                  +6
                  Voo, you understand in pinpoint strikes! lol Isn't it easier to roll everything into a thin pancake with aviation?

                  Here you just need to work on areas. And one that can smoke out of the basement.
                  Aviation is worse, the area of ​​the FAB is smaller, the walls slow down the scattering of fragments, the basements are not taken at all.
                  And don't forget about MANPADS. wink
                2. Doctor
                  Doctor 6 January 2021 11: 45
                  +3
                  Well, why then assault groups? Yet burned out and ruined. And in the city they always rolled out something that was maximally armored for direct fire, if there was, tanks, ISU-152, Shturmtigry. Where does this Ural have something at least from a large-caliber machine gun?

                  All true.
                  These Urals are in the 3rd echelon. Burn over the head, the range is enough to block the middle city.
                  Hail, too, will come off, but shrapnel smokes worse.

                  But armored is certainly better, I agree.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 7 January 2021 16: 39
                0
                Quote: Arzt
                From the outskirts of the city, in certain quarters - quite!
                It is not easy to hide from thermobaric. There is no better way to clear the roads in front of the assault groups.

                And, excuse me, why make a specialized machine for this and give it to RKhBZ? If the task of striking a quarter from 15 km (and further) will be calmly coped with the regular army readiness with MLRS, the BC which includes NURS with a thermobaric warhead.
                And it will not be necessary to create in the RChBZ its own parallel rocket artillery with instrumental reconnaissance, forward observers, topographic location, preparation of data for firing, powerful rear (because the consumption of the BP when leaving direct fire increases sharply), etc.
                What is the passion to duplicate existing structures and weapons systems instead of establishing normal interaction?
          2. brr1
            brr1 6 January 2021 17: 51
            0
            Burn their citizens ??? You are a terrible person.
            1. D16
              D16 6 January 2021 18: 09
              -3
              Burn their citizens ???

              Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that by 2025 TOS-2 will replace all TOS-1 and TOS-1A in the Southern Military District. Tracked TPS will remain in service with the RChBZ troops in other regions where the use of wheeled vehicles is impractical. (C)
              Have you ever heard of a zombie apocalypse?lol
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 7 January 2021 03: 32
                0
                Have you ever heard of a zombie apocalypse?
                exactly, to burn infected cities during a pandemic, or citizens who refused to take the vaccine, right with their houses ...!? :)))
                1. D16
                  D16 7 January 2021 11: 14
                  0
                  There is no need to tell fairy tales. Have you ever seen in any movie zombies self-isolating in their apartment houses? With rare exceptions (the film "The Heat of Our Bodies"), only total disinfection can help laughing ... In the current pandemic, most of the sick remain law-abiding citizens who do not eat others and do not try to infect them. There is no reason to use such radical methods. laughing
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 7 January 2021 12: 26
                    0
                    With rare exceptions (the film "The Heat of Our Bodies"), only total disinfection of laughing can help. In the current pandemic, most of the sick remain law-abiding citizens who do not eat others and do not try to infect them. There is no reason to use such radical methods. laughing
                    This is just a sarcastic assumption, sir ... and more! Zombies are generally impossible according to biological laws and in the field of organic biochemistry, this is an invention of the media and world cinema :)))
                    As well as fairy tales, about the immediate need to use TOC in conflicts, especially in urban conditions and other localizations, with a logical question, why spend taxpayers' money on this, not once - not "wunderwaflu" !?
                    1. D16
                      D16 7 January 2021 13: 12
                      0
                      This is just a sarcastic assumption, sir ... and more!

                      You destroy my understanding of the world. Shame on you! laughing
                      Why spend taxpayers' money on this one never - not a "wunderwaffe" !?

                      They, for example, can threaten the Mannerheim line near Donetsk. Their presence on our territory in the immediate vicinity will have a certain psychological pressure on opponents. laughing From a means against zombies (chemical and bacteriological contamination), as originally conceived, TOS-1, with an increase in range, turned into a MLRS designed to destroy enemy strongholds without much fear for the state of its own skin. Chemists do not need a long range and therefore TOS-1 in the southern districts will remain with them. But Russia is not only in the south, so TOS-1 with long-range missiles will also be in service with the gunners.
                      1. Intruder
                        Intruder 7 January 2021 19: 13
                        0
                        They, for example, can threaten the Mannerheim line near Donetsk. Their presence on our territory in the immediate vicinity will have a certain psychological pressure on opponents.
                        quite howitzers cope with a dozen "Carnations" or "Msta", but if at all a canonical star is arranged, then a pair of 2S7 "Peony" (s), with proper target designation, will be enough))) or all sorts of batteries of cheap GRAD (s) and Smerch (s) , if the MLRS must be used, the range is sufficient and the power is at the level of the shells and the choice "... like, that's the same in the village", somehow ...
                        From a means against zombies (chemical and bacteriological infection), as it was originally intended, TOS-1, with an increase in the range, turned into a MLRS
                        now you are scaring me, with the breadth of views on combat use during infection in modern peacetime conditions, no one has declared war on anyone, I will not officially "declare" to the UN Security Council! ??? Or am I missing something in this life ... ??? :)
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 7 January 2021 19: 30
                        0
                        But Russia is not only in the south, so TOS-1 with long-range missiles will also be in service with the gunners.
                        as if there is nowhere to put money in the budget !?, the artillery already has enough of everything (the gloomy Soviet genius has done something for 70 years that even the descendants in the 23rd century will be surprised ... :), in addition to normal target designation and new types of adjustable projectiles ( active-reactive and others), and thermobaric rather specific products, there has never been universality and most likely there will not be, even though the GOS with AI "hook on the nose", even though "put on the gravitator on the tail" ... that's why they used it once two and Uso, in the history of local conflicts, it is TOC (s) these ...
      2. faiver
        faiver 6 January 2021 11: 14
        +6
        let who invented it his children on it to the war and sends it to start
        - any weapon systems are dangerous not only for the enemy and carry a certain risk and threat to those who use them themselves, anything can happen, the Germans used the entire first world airships on hydrogen, and a brick can fall on anyone's head ... hi
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 6 January 2021 11: 24
          -17%
          Quote: faiver
          let who invented it his children on it to the war and sends it to start
          - any weapon systems are dangerous not only for the enemy and carry a certain risk and threat to those who use them themselves, anything can happen, the Germans used the entire first world airships on hydrogen, and a brick can fall on anyone's head ... hi

          Expected argument: you personally and your relatives and friends will serve well. Would you like to fight in this car? If so, then go ahead. During the Second World War, the Japanese also had kamikaze. On a voluntary basis.
          "Tosochka" is a car for parades. And patriotic commercials. Everything. There is no other application except for what I said above. To burn a gang out of a cave. It has no practical sense. Against any army, especially NATO, except for laughter and pity for those in it and near it, it does not bear. And to cauterize places of chemical or bacteriological contamination for the needs of the NBC protection troops, it can and yes, in certain cases. And so they dangle in parades. And nothing more. crying
          1. faiver
            faiver 6 January 2021 11: 32
            +11
            You personally and your relatives and friends will serve well. Will you fight in this car?
            - and now you can choose where and on what to fight?
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 7 January 2021 12: 29
              0
              and now you can choose where and what to fight on?
              Aha, you come such a soldier, and you are a military commissar - a list of GRAUs to choose from, with the name of military equipment and weapons systems !? :)))
          2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 January 2021 12: 23
            +15
            Quote: Observer2014
            "Tosochka" is a car for parades. And patriotic commercials. Everything. There is no other application except for what I said above. To burn a gang out of a cave. It has no practical meaning. Against any army, especially NATO, except for laughter and pity for those in it and near it, it does not bear.

            BoK-level analytics.
            Why are you so perceptive, perspicacious, all-pervading, etc. etc. you do not write memoranda yourself, but just useless comments on VO?
            Intrigues of envious ill-wishers? Who, frightened by the cyclopean size of your talent, gathered in a secret society, where they swore an oath to commit suicide rather than allow you to occupy that grandiose position in society that you, no doubt, deserve.
            Another rejected genius, damn it.
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      3. 1976AG
        1976AG 6 January 2021 11: 43
        0
        Quote: Observer2014
        Quote: Victor_B
        ("Toosochka") went to the troops

        Yes, a terrible mess!

        Yeah. Just embody the horror. It depends on whom and how to fight this "Tosochka". With such a range, let someone invented it their children on it to the war and send it to start. Plus, those who thoughtlessly roll out to the front line will put their children in it. And they roll out. Here is a video from the recent conflict. The Armenians knocked out the TPS of the Azerbaijani army .. This weapon is terrible in its use, but no less terrible in handling it. Smoke the gang out of the cave, yes, but with such a range against any organized army No.

        Against "organized" armies, there is a Smerch MLRS with thermobaric ammunition.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 6 January 2021 12: 16
          -17%
          1976AG (Alexey)
          Against "organized" armies, there is a Smerch MLRS with thermobaric ammunition.
          laughing wassat The Azerbaijanis apparently did not consider the Armenians an organized army? Therefore, CBT was pulled up to the front line .... Listen, do not confuse warm with soft. What for what and where they use it, and without you, everyone understands perfectly well. We are discussing "Toosochka" specifically. Want to mindlessly grumble. Suddenly something will change. For example, the range of the item under discussion, or enemies will run away to the loose when the latter appears at the front edge.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 6 January 2021 12: 24
            +4
            Listen to what is being discussed here, and I understand perfectly well without you. If you want to show off your wit, there are humorous shows for this. You put the range of application in the lack of TOC, so I answered that each system has its own task. Although, it’s probably difficult for you.
          2. bayard
            bayard 6 January 2021 15: 12
            0
            Quote: Observer2014
            .For example, the range of the item under discussion. Or enemies in the loose will run away when

            15 km.
            The orientation of this device is most likely for export, and in order to better go it is being adopted. And 15 km. after all, not 5, this is no longer the front end, but at the level of the positions of the barrel artillery.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 6 January 2021 18: 58
              0
              It was our military who complained about the insufficient range. All the improvements to which the flamethrower systems were subjected were made according to the comments of our military, and not foreign ones.
              1. bayard
                bayard 6 January 2021 19: 05
                0
                But the wheeled chassis is still not for our soft soils, muddy mud and other off-road conditions. Although the combination of both bases (tracked and wheeled) looks preferable - trailers are not needed for fast transport over long distances.
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 6 January 2021 19: 27
                  0
                  There are not so many such impassable places and the wheeled chassis is fine for our conditions. Otherwise, we would not have at all military equipment on wheels. But the advantages are obvious - increased mobility and the ability to quickly leave positions after a strike. In fact, the time has come to abandon towed artillery in favor of installations on a wheeled chassis. The first signs of this process are already there.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 7 January 2021 16: 46
                0
                Quote: 1976AG
                It was our military who complained about the insufficient range. All the improvements to which the flamethrower systems were subjected were made according to the comments of our military, and not foreign ones.

                As a result, the military got a system that is not needed.
                For on the front line (as a basic TOC) it is impossible to apply it - the defense is too weak. And to work with 10-15 km of thermobaric NURS can ordinary MLRS, which the army already has. And which, by the way, already have all the structures that provide the ability to work from such ranges.
                In fact, TOS-2 is a duplication of standard MLRS.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 January 2021 12: 46
          +3
          First of all, TOS 2 is needed for the functions of the RHBZ - the destruction of the enemy is its secondary function.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 6 January 2021 13: 13
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            First of all, TOS 2 is needed for the functions of the RHBZ - the destruction of the enemy is its secondary function.

            It is only the "secondary" function that they often have to perform in practice.
          2. bayard
            bayard 6 January 2021 15: 14
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            First of all, TOC 2 is needed for the functions of the NBC

            Flamethrowers have always belonged to the RChBZ, so they don't break the tradition. Even reactive ones.
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 6 January 2021 14: 38
        +1
        You can then prohibit the video, where in the MBT ammunition and MBT detonates.
      5. bayard
        bayard 6 January 2021 15: 07
        +2
        Quote: Observer2014
        .With such a range, let someone invented it their children on it to the war and send

        So it has a range of up to 15 km. added new ammunition, and this is already a range of 122 mm. guns.
        But of course the car chassis surprised, but ... apparently the point is in the planned export deliveries to the BV - they are asking for wheeled vehicles. So it turned out with the "Pantsir", they wanted for themselves on a tank chassis, and the Emirates asked for a wheeled chassis - they have a desert, dry and solid ground. So, after that, the export option was adopted for ourselves. Apparently the same thing with "Tosochka".
      6. Analkara
        Analkara 10 January 2021 10: 21
        0
        Firstly, this is not TOS, but Solntsepёk with a firing range of only 6 km.
        Secondly, knowing how the Armenians fight wassat that threatened the promising electronic warfare "Repellent" complex. It will not take long to guess how TOS-1A Solntsepёk was brought to this.
        This video only confirms the incompetence of the Armenian armed forces, and not the Russian TPS.
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 6 January 2021 10: 36
      -8
      Quote: Victor_B
      Yes, a terrible mess!

      For a blind and deaf enemy with nothing in the air and unable to adequately resist the threat. Otherwise, it will be very difficult to cover it.
      This is a very specific device for preparing for assault operations. In places where there is no civilian population seriously suffering from these weapons, or where they are sacrificed. As a fact, it is known the use of such baubles against babays in Afghanistan, Syria, against bandits in Chechnya.
      The world is seeing a departure from the practice of using such weapons with the transition to precision weapons.
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 6 January 2021 13: 13
        +2
        The world is seeing a departure from the practice of using such weapons with the transition to precision weapons.
        This is observed well in the world, but you should not mindlessly copy what is observed, for example, the same amount of work that was done in Syria with high-precision weapons would cost astronomical money, for our budget, in principle, not lifting, different approaches for different tasks
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 6 January 2021 13: 59
          -1
          Quote: _Ugene_
          The world is seeing a departure from the practice of using such weapons with the transition to precision weapons.
          This is observed well in the world, but you should not mindlessly copy what is observed, for example, the same amount of work that was done in Syria with high-precision weapons would cost astronomical money, for our budget, in principle, not lifting, different approaches for different tasks

          You are absolutely right.
          The Syrian events are the specific application of such devices.
          As I noted above, something similar took place in Afghanistan and Chechnya.
          High-precision weapons are used in places where there is a high risk of injury to civilians: densely built-up areas, the use of civilians by bandit formations in the form of a human shield, etc. hi
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 6 January 2021 09: 45
    +16
    The country is big. Climatic conditions are different. Both bases (tracked and wheeled) will come in handy.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 6 January 2021 10: 05
      -17%
      The country is big. Climatic conditions are different. Both bases (tracked and wheeled) will come in handy.

      Where were they when Grozny was stormed. sad
      1. maxim k.
        maxim k. 6 January 2021 10: 33
        +5
        When Grozny was stormed, many things were not even on paper.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 6 January 2021 10: 57
          -1
          When Grozny was stormed, many things were not even on paper.

          This is yes. But I'm generally talking about flamethrowers. In my opinion, the small (in comparison with artillery) firing range limits the use in the field.
          This is a weapon for taking cities.
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 6 January 2021 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: maxim k.
          When Grozny was stormed, many things were not even on paper.

          CBTs have been around since the Afghan war. In addition, they were used in the second Chechen war.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 6 January 2021 12: 00
            +3
            CBTs have been around since the Afghan war. In addition, they were used in the second Chechen war.

            Yes, they worked well in Komsomolskoye.

            Troshev's characteristic:

            I would like to note that the firepower of the TOS "Buratino" was a good help in the operation. The high accuracy and high efficiency of this system made it possible to achieve results where other means of fire were powerless. "

            Characteristics of Echo of Moscow in 2000: wink

            TOS-1 is known in the army as the "Buratino" system. A thirty-barreled launcher is mounted on the chassis of a main battle tank (say, a T-72). Fires unguided rockets with a thermobaric warhead filled with a flammable liquid. On contact, the liquid evaporates, forming an aerosol cloud, which is then ignited. A massive explosion of monstrous force occurs.
            With a TOS-1 salvo, individual explosions overlap, creating a zone of continuous destruction. Official advertising materials of the state-owned Rosvooruzheniye state company claim that the TOS-1 salvo “destroys all living things” in the three-kilometer zone, as well as military equipment and fortifications.
            Surviving a TOS-1 salvo is as difficult as taking cover from a tactical nuclear explosion. Ultra-high temperature and pressure destroy people in shelters underground: in dugouts, in basements, in bunkers.
            The advertising slogan “destroys all living things” is by no means a literary phrase. Pinocchio kills birds in trees, mice in burrows, vegetation and even bacteria.


            Well, of course - by itself:

            However, the beauty of TOS-1 is that after the volley there are practically no casualties left, only burnt-out ashes. There is no one to complain to Geneva.
      2. faiver
        faiver 6 January 2021 11: 07
        0
        You need to ask Pasha-Mercedes ...
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 6 January 2021 11: 26
          +2
          You need to ask Pasha-Mercedes ...

          Yes, he may not be to blame. If you were taught one thing, but you have to do something else, then what is the demand.
          In the Airborne Forces, a third of the preparation time is occupied by the RAP.
          Which now, for good reason, is only needed by the DRG.
  3. Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 6 January 2021 10: 06
    -6
    In addition, long-range ammunition from TOS-1 will be adapted for TOS-1 and TOS-2A, thereby increasing their range to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

    Everywhere about adaptation plans, but nowhere did I find specifics. What new ammunition size?
    How will this innovation affect the transport and charging vehicle?
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 6 January 2021 10: 10
    -4
    Good news, but I would very much like to hear about when the T-14, T-15, K-17, VPK-3926 and other samples of modern military equipment for the ground forces will go to the troops ...
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 6 January 2021 12: 27
      0
      Have you been drinking all the New Year's holidays? During this time, there were about a dozen articles on your question.
  5. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 6 January 2021 10: 18
    +5
    Quote: Doccor18
    Good news, but I would very much like to hear about when the T-14, T-15, K-17, VPK-3926 and other samples of modern military equipment for the ground forces will go to the troops ...

    When Chernomorsk will be declared a "free city" ...
    Why are you asking questions about other types of weapons in the article about TOC? What for? Let me ask here a question about START-3? Will it be appropriate?
    1. venik
      venik 6 January 2021 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: dmmyak40
      Why are you asking questions about other types of weapons in the article about TOC? What for?

      =========
      You shouldn't be so! Alexander simply expressed a desire to see new equipment not only in the RHBZ troops! What's wrong with that? I would like that too!
      In general, this site is not uncommon, for a year the discussion "begins -" for health ", and ends -" for peace " politicians)..... request This is certainly not appropriate!
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 January 2021 10: 50
      -1
      Quote: dmmyak40
      Quote: Doccor18
      Good news, but I would very much like to hear about when the T-14, T-15, K-17, VPK-3926 and other samples of modern military equipment for the ground forces will go to the troops ...

      When Chernomorsk will be declared a "free city" ...
      Why are you asking questions about other types of weapons in the article about TOC? What for? Let me ask here a question about START-3? Will it be appropriate?

      START-3 would be inappropriate.
      And about the armament of the ground forces - quite. I am very proud that the RCBZ is receiving new equipment that allows it to hit targets 3 times longer. However, sometimes there is information that, due to a lack of funds, the troops do not receive the main types of military equipment - the latest tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns .. And the infantrymen have been traveling ON BTR-35 / 80A armor for 80 years ...
  6. tank64rus
    tank64rus 6 January 2021 11: 15
    +1
    Any technique requires proper use. its thoughtless use leads to loss and defeat. Unfortunately, military hardware is not equipped with "foolproof protection." The defeat of military science by Serdyukov and Co. and the rejection of the Soviet system for the development and adoption of new models of military equipment and military equipment will hinder the development of the armed forces for a long time to come.
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 6 January 2021 11: 29
    0
    Specific equipment, of course, for export to Africa is just right ... let the Ministry of Defense earn money on it ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 6 January 2021 11: 49
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      Specific equipment, of course, for export to Africa is just right ... let the Ministry of Defense earn money on it ...

      You are like Nikita Sergeevich in your time, why do we need guns when we have missiles.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 6 January 2021 12: 22
        -1
        Range, it's all about range ...
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 6 January 2021 12: 26
          0
          Quote: Alien From
          Range, it's all about range ...

          For longer range, there are other systems with the same warhead.
  8. andrew42
    andrew42 6 January 2021 13: 34
    +1
    About the range of thermobar-ammunition - very, very pleased. The machine is very necessary, albeit specialized. RHBZ and "smoking" is understandable. Let's wait, maybe we'll see Tosochka in defense, with good cover and from interchangeable positions. And those who demand a "wunderwaffe" from such a technique, let them continue to rave about the "Death Star". Hedgehog it is clear that "all other things being equal" Tosochka does not work without powerful cover. And in terms of opportunities "to hit the road after a volley" is no worse than any OTRK, but the "ekshperty" are not particularly worried about the Iskander. Strange selectivity, hmm.
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 6 January 2021 14: 24
    -1
    To Syria, Turkish terrorists are to be fried.
  10. Evil 55
    Evil 55 6 January 2021 14: 27
    -1
    There is no limit to perfection, but it's time for the designers to think about increasing the firing range of the installation, and not about transferring it to a wheelbase ..
  11. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 6 January 2021 14: 31
    -6
    This is an offensive weapon, as I understand it.
    To understand what kind of people to burn with these
    our hawks gathered together with cute toys.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 6 January 2021 16: 44
      +1
      We have never exterminated any people or tried. You see us beguiled with amers.
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 6 January 2021 18: 42
        0
        Therefore, I am perplexed. Point not for
        kebabs at the exit is intended.
        It is quite a narrow purpose tool.
  12. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 6 January 2021 15: 39
    +1
    We are waiting for the helicopter version
  13. taseka
    taseka 7 January 2021 19: 26
    0
    Something after the shots of how the Turkish drones of Azerbaijan clap one after one MLRS of Armenia (and they are in such correct schemes as in the fortification textbook) the thought of either perfect camouflage or electronic warfare systems arises!
  14. Prizr
    Prizr 8 January 2021 15: 40
    0
    What you argue about is clear and understandable. Wheels-mobility, new ammunition range.
    Old "TOS" will go where there is a cover, their warhead can be more powerful. What is not clear?
  15. Analkara
    Analkara 10 January 2021 09: 58
    0
    And it is good that they are developing this effective type of weapons.