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NI: Some air defense systems of the Russian Federation are so perfect that even F-35 fighters can face problems

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NI: Some air defense systems of the Russian Federation are so perfect that even F-35 fighters can face problems

The Russian army in the near future expects to enter service with the new S-500 anti-aircraft missile system, at the same time replacing the S-300PS air defense system with the modern S-350 Vityaz anti-aircraft system. New Russian anti-aircraft systems could pose problems even to fifth-generation fighters, says Dave Majumdar, editor of the American magazine The National Interest in his article.


The new S-500 anti-aircraft system, the author claims, will occupy the upper tier of the echeloned unified air defense system of Russia, and thus will be able to fight targets at altitudes of about 200 and a range of 600 kilometers. The first regiment will take over the defense of Moscow and central Russia.

According to reports, the S-500 is capable of detecting and simultaneously hitting up to 10 warheads of ballistic missiles flying at speeds up to 7 km / sec. The complex also includes interceptor missiles with an active radar homing head.

The S-500 must be highly mobile and have a whole network of radars that provide interception and targeting over long distances. It will use the 91N6A (M) combat control radar, a modified 96L6-TsP target detection and acquisition radar, as well as new multi-mode 76T6 and 77T6 anti-missile radars

- writes Majumdar.

Meanwhile, Russian troops have begun to receive the S-350 Vityaz mobile air defense and missile defense system, which is replacing the old S-300PS air defense system. The new complex will complement the Buk-M3, S-300VM4, S-400 and S-500 complexes.

"Vityaz" uses the same missiles as the S-400, it is capable of striking targets at a distance of 120 km at an altitude of 30 km, while simultaneously fighting 16 targets simultaneously. The S-350 includes a control vehicle, two radars and eight launchers.

The Russians intend to include all new anti-aircraft systems in a single integrated air defense system, thereby creating echeloned anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense. Despite the fact that the Russian military-industrial complex suffered greatly after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russians are able to create modern air defense systems.

Some examples of these new systems are so sophisticated that many American military leaders fear that even stealth aircraft such as the F-22, F-35 and B-2 will face problems getting through them.

- summarizes the author.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 January 2021 08: 13
    +14
    Deyvushka, f35 due to the inability to fly in supersonic for a long time, due to cracks in the fuselage from overloads, and deformation from overheating of the stealth coating belongs to the aeronautical coating, at best, it is 4+, but certainly not to the 5th generation!
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 6 January 2021 08: 30
      +28
      You might think that f35 is made using alien technologies and obeys other laws of physics)))
      1. Kapkan
        Kapkan 6 January 2021 09: 26
        +16
        They just live in a parallel world of illusions. Believing in exclusivity, superheroes, etc.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 10: 16
          +8
          Quote: Kapkan
          They just live in a parallel world of illusions. Believing in exclusivity, superheroes, etc.

          I remember that they had one superhero who made the Earth stop rotating with his flight ... Why don't they need hypersounds and everything else, if they have such superheroes? We are simpler - we have no superheroes. We have the Airborne Forces, and what the Airborne Forces will not have enough forces for is the Strategic Missile Forces and their younger brothers - MLRS. We call fire on ourselves "- the American mind does not understand this - but what about the green card? technical College college? But what about the tax credit? Who is all THIS, if you call the fire on yourself?
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 6 January 2021 11: 18
            +16
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            but what about the green card?

            These are the times now that living in the West and in America in particular is becoming more and more uncomfortable. There will be more further. Of course, money is good everywhere, but not everyone has it. the overwhelming majority therefore left for the west for a dream, in the hope of a better life. Everything, the "American dream" is over, as they say, "Bobik is dead." With which I congratulate them.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 12: 48
              +4
              Quote: orionvitt
              Everything, the "American dream" is over, as they say, "Bobik is dead."

              But not all of Latin America understands this. Some gene is probably missing. Breaking into McDonald's country like catechumens. They think that they are waiting for them there ... Sheep, they do not understand that the top of a career is to wash dishes in a diner. Well, or drug trafficking - a fun life for six months and then 20 years in prison. Where at least they will teach you to speak English.
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          2. shinobi
            shinobi 7 January 2021 17: 20
            +5
            You shouldn't be like that, they have both intelligent military men and real patriots. And only thanks to them we have not yet clashed in the last war, because they just know there will be no winners.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 7 January 2021 17: 44
              +4
              Quote: shinobi
              they have both smart military and real patriots, and only thanks to them we have not yet clashed in the last war

              Please do not confuse caution and bullying. Generals who have never fought, at best, bombed countries without air defense, who have nothing to answer. What can they say to the senior sergeant of the Airborne Forces, 18 months 21 days across the river to the former? They, these "warriors", at least once cut the enemy's throat with a Finn? On the counter-move "Kalash" without a bayonet-knife stuck into the guts? RGD-5 shoved them under the turban? Have you seen the severed heads of their boys with their own severed penis in their mouths? What they, non-war, can know about the war ... They pissed me off, damn it ... Not you, Yuri, but these under-generals, motherfuckers, who want war with Russia ...
              1. lutralutra
                lutralutra 7 January 2021 23: 43
                -6
                well, "Czechs", at an altitude of 776, and sergeants, and majors, and lieutenant colonels of the Airborne Forces - they found something to say ..

                where does such a "hat" to one of the largest army and economy in the world come from?
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 9 January 2021 05: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: lutralutra
                  well, "Czechs", at an altitude of 776, and sergeants, and majors, and lieutenant colonels of the Airborne Forces - they found something to say ..

                  And our guys found something to answer. Because OUR, because the Airborne Forces ..

                  Himself "Nash" and the Airborne Forces itself is the 56th Airborne Assault Force. And therefore I will gnaw for my throats.
        2. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 6 January 2021 10: 59
          +3
          can create problems even for fifth-generation fighters, says Dave Majumdar, editor of the American magazine The National Interest in his article.

          He asserts this because the cartoon from Lockheed Martin did not watch, where the M142 supposedly quietly destroys the S-400, and he does not even see it. If this Hindu had watched it, he would have sung a song that American democracy is not afraid of anything! hi
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 7 January 2021 17: 51
            +2
            Quote: LIONnvrsk
            He claims this because he did not watch the cartoon from Lockheed Martin

            Yes, it is high time to treat Dave Marjumdar's "reviews" or "expert opinions" as "News from the village of Prostokvashino". Have already read his "reviews" ... That "surveyor" ...
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 6 January 2021 09: 30
        +10
        You might think that f35 is made using alien technologies and obeys other laws of physics.

        Comrades from Israel can confirm this smile ... they promise to destroy all the S-35s in Syria with the F-300 and to pile on us in full if that happens.
        So the super-duper F-35 is wow.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 10: 27
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          You might think that f35 is made using alien technologies and obeys other laws of physics.

          Comrades from Israel can confirm this smile ... they promise to destroy all the S-35s in Syria with the F-300 and to pile on us in full if that happens.
          So the super-duper F-35 is wow.

          Base 51. Roswell - in the same place, the aliens have long since fallen, the gloomy American genius has taken over all their technologies and nothing will shine for us. Give me a gun - I'll shoot myself out of fear. To your safe, chock full of weapons, too lazy to reach ...
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 6 January 2021 11: 29
            +7
            All my life I dreamed of meeting aliens ... I envy you ... at least you have a safe full of weapons, but I have nothing in the dressing room except a cleaver and a scrap ... and self-defense is prohibited ... God forbid an alien will be put in the eye for exceeding ...
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 6 January 2021 11: 49
              +5
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              At least you have a safe full of weapons, but I have nothing in the dressing room except a cleaver and a scrap

              This is exactly the "very-very" that is needed, because in the "scripture" it is said - "there is no reception against scrap."
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 12: 20
                +6
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                for in the "scripture" it says - "there is no reception against the scrap."

                If there is no other scrap.

                You are already citing the original sources in full. drinks
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 6 January 2021 17: 12
                  +5
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  for in the "scripture" it says - "there is no reception against the scrap."

                  If there is no other scrap.

                  You are already citing the original sources in full. drinks

                  Forgive my colleague, but a friend mentioned a secret development "cleaver", which is not mentioned in the scripture, but I believe that another crowbar will be crushed by this cleaver mercilessly. laughing drinks
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 12: 23
              +6
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              All my life I dreamed of meeting aliens.

              The other day I read somewhere
              The healthiest, most beautiful and intelligent men are sent into space. And they send us little green freaks. Where's the justice?
          2. Charik
            Charik 8 January 2021 12: 23
            -1
            And like we have with this deafly, in the Crimea in the mountain, the entrance from them-rent a hundred times said, and even a lot of where the snow melted for a long time, Chelyabometeor saw how it was knocked down, so it's not C500 anymore
        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 6 January 2021 10: 41
          -3
          Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
          Today, 09: 30
          NEW

          +2
          You might think that f35 is made using alien technologies and obeys other laws of physics.

          Comrades from Israel can confirm this smile ... they promise to destroy all the S-35s in Syria from the F-300, and we still have to pile on the full program if that.
          So the super-duper F-35 is wow.

          Hello New Year, hi ! Non-comrades from there can only tumble on the keyboard! laughing here their efforts are ochchchchen very noticeable! wink
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 6 January 2021 12: 13
            -6
            Quote: aszzz888
            Comrades from there can only go on the keyboard!

            I understand that I will catch a bunch of cons, but the truth is still more expensive.
            December 25 2020
            There was an article.
            The Israeli Air Force struck the territory near the Syrian Masyaf, in which the S-300 air defense systems are located
            https://topwar.ru/178502-vvs-izrailja-nanesli-udar-po-territorii-bliz-sirijskogo-masjafa-v-kotorom-raspolagajutsja-zrk-s-300.html#comment-id-11089525
            Everyone was discussing who was right and who was wrong, although it was an ordinary event, of which 2020 occurred in Syria in 50.
            And what happened on December 30, there was a very short report in the Russian media, and at VO they decided not to "tease the geese."
            And the following happened.
            On December 28, Israeli intelligence detected a roundtrip Fars Air Qeshm flight between Tehran and Damascus. The airline is suspected of being used to smuggle weapons from Iran to Syria and Lebanon. It has been established that there are short- and medium-range missiles for Hizbalah and are being transported to a warehouse in the mountains near the city of Al-Zabadani.
            On December 30, at 1:30, Israeli aircraft entered from the Mediterranean Sea (according to some sources from Lebanon), they were spotted by S-400 and S-300 radars and the information was transmitted to the Syrian air defense battery, which opened heavy fire. At this time, cruise missiles were launched from the Golan Heights, which smashed into the trash a Syrian battery (which was not reported).
            At this time, the planes smashed a missile warehouse hidden in the mountains. All this took place several hundred meters from the Russian base. Which caused indignation from the Syrian and Iranian sides.
            AS YOU UNDERSTAND, KLAVA DOESN'T HERE TO HERE, MAY PUMP AND FOR THE PRESENT!
            1. oprovergatel
              oprovergatel 6 January 2021 20: 03
              +5
              And what is all this for?

              The guys from Moscow "defeated" Russia in a fight to which she did not come? Well bravo, cho!

              The fact that some Semites pinch other kindred Semites there is no longer a secret. Why are you here, in general, mentioned the S-300, is not clear. It is there for a completely different purpose and performs completely different tasks, which clearly does not include preventing fuss between Yavrets and Hezbollons.
            2. aszzz888
              aszzz888 7 January 2021 02: 08
              +3
              A purely Jewish approach. Remove unnecessary from the text. And here is the original:

              aszzz888 (sheriff)
              Yesterday, 10: 41
              ... non-comrades from there they can only tumble on the keyboard! ...


              AS YOU UNDERSTAND, KLAVA DOESN'T HERE TO HERE, MAY PUMP AND FOR THE PRESENT!

              I have been convinced MUCH TIME that you can "pile" while sitting on the couch! laughing tongue wassat Adieu, feller! tongue
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 7 January 2021 07: 22
                -4
                Quote: aszzz888
                Non-comrades from there can only tumble on the keyboard! ...

                If this is a very important prefix for you NOT! I'M SORRY.
                But the essence does not change from this. They have piled up, piled up, and if there is such a need, they will pile up in the future.
                On the night of January 6-7 Syrian media reported a missile strike on the southern outskirts of Damascus.
                A radar was attacked in the Al-Sueid area, about 100 kilometers southeast of Damascus.
        3. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 6 January 2021 13: 20
          -4
          Comrades from Israel can confirm this smile ... they promise to destroy all the S-35s in Syria from the F-300, and we still have to pile on the full program if that.
          and they will defeat, do not hesitate, firstly the S-300 is not intended against stealth, and secondly, the forces there are very much not equal and, in principle, no air defense systems will survive there if comrades from Israel want to destroy them
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 9 January 2021 04: 00
            +1
            The dreamers. smile soldier
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 6 January 2021 08: 36
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      belongs to the airplane

      It is interesting that the Americans, for all their shortcomings, managed to impose them on all their partners and many worry that they are at the end of the line. It is not clear only why they are worried that they are lagging behind "fashion" or that the Americans are evaluating their partners by their number in the queue.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 6 January 2021 08: 48
        -6
        Nonsense. The plane is not bad. Everyone has childhood illnesses. But it is still unnoticeable, and can work from afar, then leave.
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 6 January 2021 08: 49
          -7
          Here is a great story about him.
        2. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 6 January 2021 09: 31
          +3
          Nonsense. The plane is not very bad.

          One trouble is very expensive ... a flying piece of gold. what
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 6 January 2021 09: 44
            +2
            Cheaper than all its Western competitors of the 4th generation. wink
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 6 January 2021 09: 52
              +7
              Cheaper than all its Western competitors of the 4th generation.

              Since when did it get cheaper ... when it went into mass production?
              There are tricks here smile ... the production of the F-35 is carried out by an extensive cooperation of manufacturers from different countries.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 6 January 2021 10: 06
                +5
                This is not a trick, but a reasonable distribution of contracts.
                With mass production and almost conveyor assembly, the cost price
                products is reduced.
                The Pentagon buys F-35A for $ 87-90 million.
                All Europeans, and even their F-15s, go for $ 100 million.
                The F-35 is a workhorse instead of the F-16, and not an exclusive limousine.
                1. krops777
                  krops777 6 January 2021 10: 21
                  +7
                  The Pentagon buys F-35A for $ 87-90 million.
                  All Europeans, and even their F-15s, go for $ 100 million.


                  For the price of two civilian airliners, this is cheap for you, and if you add a very expensive operation and constant improvement here, and these kit sets are not very cheap, then it is true that this is a piece of flying gold. It's just that NATO countries are forced to take them on a voluntary basis.
                  1. aszzz888
                    aszzz888 6 January 2021 10: 34
                    +1

                    krops777 (Alexey)
                    Today, 10: 21
                    NEW

                    +1
                    The Pentagon buys F-35A for $ 87-90 million.
                    All Europeans, and even their F-15s, go for $ 100 million.


                    For the price of two civilian airliners, this is cheap for you, and if you add a very expensive operation and constant improvement here, and these kit sets are not very cheap, then it is true that this is a piece of flying gold. It's just that NATO countries are forced to take them on a voluntary basis.
                    It is necessary to babble something to justify the purchase of a piece of iron such as fi 35 Jews from their allies-Merikatos, who forcibly vtyuhali Israel! laughing
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 6 January 2021 10: 46
                      +2
                      Happy New Year, dear "aszzz888"! drinks
                      I love your posts, they are a balm for my heart ...
                      Don't let your guard down in the new 2021. good
                      1. aszzz888
                        aszzz888 6 January 2021 10: 52
                        +1

                        voyaka uh (Alexey)
                        Today, 10: 46

                        0
                        Happy New Year, dear "aszzz888"! drinks
                        I love your posts, they are a balm for my heart ...
                        Don't let your guard down in the new 2021. good
                        I also like the chatter about a super-duper that has no analogs in the world)) Merkatos weapons laughing ! Especially acquired by Israel - Where can you go ?! laughing from the owner! Continue to breed the people in the same spirit! laughing hi
                  2. mvg
                    mvg 6 January 2021 17: 16
                    -1
                    Have you seen the prices for Boeing 737-800 or Airbus for a long time? The F-35 is cheaper than the MS-21 and the Superjet, at the price tag of the Chinese C-919 with French engines
                    PS: For reference, Boeing from 115 to 140 million, depending on the configuration
                    When the F-35 will be 3000+ units, they will be 50 million each at current prices.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 17: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: mvg
                      When the F-35 will be 3000+ units, they will be 50 million each at current prices.

                      This is if there are no changes. New blocks can make the plane more expensive. Installation of a new XA100 / 101 engine is possible, which will also add to the price.
                      1. mvg
                        mvg 6 January 2021 18: 28
                        0
                        The F135 is a very decent engine. The nameplate clearly stands out from European and Russian competitors. By specific consumption, temperature, overhaul life, thrust.
                        So maybe, on the contrary, they want to reduce the cost. After all, 135 costs about $ 25 million
                        PS: If the thrust is increased further, and the overload limit is lifted from 7 to 9-10G, Gwinpin will still fly.
                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 18: 36
                        0
                        XA100 / 101 will give more energy for the on-board network, which is necessary for energy weapons, will reduce fuel consumption, which will increase range and increase thrust.
                        There are no questions about the F135, the best production engine for today, only the prices are even lower
                        F135-PW-100, US $ 13.3M
                        F135-PW-600, US $ 19.05M
                        The 7 / 7,5 G limit is only for the C / B version, for the A 9G. These are questions for the glider
              2. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 6 January 2021 10: 29
                +5
                The Pentagon buys F-35A for $ 87-90 million.

                Our SU-35s are half the price and, in terms of combat capabilities, may well withstand the hyped-up F-35.
                The F-35 has vulnerabilities that can be exploited in air combat on our terms. what
              3. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 6 January 2021 10: 34
                -1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                The Pentagon buys F-35A for $ 87-90 million.

                Already cheaper. Lot 14 is underway since last year.
                1. Analkara
                  Analkara 9 January 2021 22: 32
                  0
                  Well, where does the infa come from? I can do this in a paint in 10 minutes.
              4. Mar.Tirah
                Mar.Tirah 6 January 2021 10: 44
                +6
                Quote: voyaka uh
                The Pentagon buys F-35A for $ 87-90 million.

                Allies like Israel are buying foreign companies under a targeted loan. The US Department of Defense has officially announced that the decision to full-scale production of the F-35 stealth fighter is suspended indefinitely. According to previous plans, it was supposed to be adopted in December 2020, most recently the deadline was postponed to March 2021. Now, as unofficially reported by the American media, a possible decision can be made no earlier than the beginning of 2022.

                https://aircargonews.ru/2021/01/02/v-ssha-prinjato-reshenie-priostanovit-polnomasshtabnoe-proizvodstvo-istrebitelja-nevidimki-f-35.html
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 6 January 2021 11: 14
                  -1
                  "The US Department of Defense has officially announced that the decision on full-scale production of the F-35 stealth fighter is suspended indefinitely" ///
                  ----
                  Full-scale production of the F-35 is impossible, even if the US Department of Defense
                  allowed. laughing
                  The fact is that the plant that produces these aircraft has been operating for 2 years.
                  at maximum power. 12-14 planes per month.
                  And it is loaded with firm orders for 5-6 years ahead.
                  To increase production, a new plant must be built.
                  The Ministry of Defense is waiting for an independent firm to complete the construction of a center for simulating mass
                  air battles and strike missions of the F-35. Which (center)
                  turned out to be too difficult.
                  And then he will be allowed to provide the aircraft with "full combat readiness" status.
                  But the plant, as it worked at full capacity, will continue to work.
                  1. Analkara
                    Analkara 9 January 2021 22: 20
                    0
                    belay that's it. And I thought that they rivet their expensive papier-mâché in advance and then forcibly sell them to their allies.
                  2. Mar.Tirah
                    Mar.Tirah 10 January 2021 12: 37
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Full-scale production of the F-35 is impossible, even if the US Department of Defense
                    allowed.

                    We didn’t read it carefully. They stopped it not because there was not enough capacity, but because experts would inspect the fuel pipe inside the aircraft engines. The reason for the suspension of flights and verification was the crash of an F-35 in South Carolina in September last year. Despite the fact that the F-35 is an advanced and expensive fighter, its production program has been criticized more than once in the United States. In particular, Pentogan admits that about half of the aircraft produced are not ready for battle, due to a heap of shortcomings that have not been eliminated so far.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 10 January 2021 13: 15
                      0
                      "that experts will inspect the fuel tube inside aircraft engines" ////
                      ----
                      They made fun! laughing This has been done a long time ago. We checked everything in a month.
                    2. Mar.Tirah
                      Mar.Tirah 12 January 2021 14: 24
                      0
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      They made fun! This has been done a long time ago. We checked everything in a month.

                      The one who laughs the last laughs. You seem to know Russian so far, and you know our sayings and proverbs. And just then a new publication arrived. 12 JAN, 17:01
                      Bloomberg: more than 35 defects are still not fixed in the F-870 fighter. Https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/10441631? Utm_source = yxnews & utm_medium = desktop
        3. Sergey Kulikov_3
          Sergey Kulikov_3 6 January 2021 16: 17
          +5
          Have you seen a price tag in a retail store or just a virtual one? They will not show you the price tag for those already ordered, they have already been paid for under the program of participation in production, but even this does not guarantee the return of contributions to the production of this aircraft, they want to break off the Turks with supplies.
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 6 January 2021 10: 36
        -1
        Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
        Today, 09: 31
        NEW

        +1
        Nonsense. The plane is not very bad.

        One trouble is very expensive ... a flying piece of gold. what
        hi !
        Wait will start! wink extinguish about this piece of iron so beloved)) laughing in Israel!
      3. Charik
        Charik 8 January 2021 12: 30
        -1
        Sometimes the F-22 is said to be "worth its weight in gold" [30], which literally corresponded to the financial markets in February 2006 - the cost of 19,7 tons of pure gold (the weight of the empty F-22A) during this period was the same 350 million dollars [31].
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 23: 53
      +1
      Quote: mirag2
      Everyone has childhood illnesses, but he is still hardly noticeable, and can work from afar, then leave.

  2. NDR-791
    NDR-791 6 January 2021 09: 07
    +6
    It is interesting that the Americans, for all their shortcomings, managed to impose them on all their partners and many worry that they are at the end of the line.
    So it's just ... "And if they don't take it, we'll turn off the gas!" (C) Or swift, or buck.
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 6 January 2021 09: 18
    +11
    Quote: Vladimir61
    Quote: Thrifty
    belongs to the airplane

    It is interesting that the Americans, for all their shortcomings, managed to impose them on all their partners and many worry that they are at the end of the line. It is not clear only why they are worried ...

    What's the alternative? Someone else was able to bring to the series 5-ku?
    The F35 does not at all qualify for the title of "the best and infallible", and up to the 5th generation "is not suitable in all respects (although, who came up with these parameters ...), but the cars of the previous generations are gradually becoming obsolete and need to be replaced. What can the aviation industry offer to the world? The Russians and Chinese have not yet brought their project to a series (J20 in a series, but without engines), and time goes on ... F35 has drawbacks, but they are being corrected, an aircraft in a series is not very expensive (for its generations) and there are no alternatives to it yet.Therefore, the heads of the national air forces are worried, being at the end of the list means updating their aircraft fleet with the last ones, getting cars and mastering them when all the neighbors have already done it.No one wants to be lagging behind ...
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 6 January 2021 11: 26
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      What's the alternative? Someone else was able to bring to the series 5-ku?

      And here 5? Instead of just making good modern airplanes, they are trying to squeeze in the stuffy and rushing around with this hypothetically abstract fifth generation. Which was invented and substantiated by someone who is not clear. However, who knows, they have no equal in PR.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 6 January 2021 12: 03
        +2
        Yes, it's not the "five", but the "next generation" of aviation, that will replace the F16 / 18/15, Su-27/30 and MiG-29, Eurofighter, Rafale and Gripen, which will replace them. And these are F35 / F22, Su-57 and J20. And how to name them is not so important ...
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 6 January 2021 12: 04
          -1
          name

          call
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 6 January 2021 12: 22
          +4
          Quote: Doccor18
          And how to name them is not so important ...

          So I am about the same. However, from all sides one can only hear about who corresponds, who does not. Some who match, but not very well, who match very much, but not completely, and so on. They came up with the generation "4 +++++". This is closer to the fifth, but far from the fourth, or not quite the fifth, but not the fourth. Circus in one word. However, only the "exceptional" have no doubts that their aircraft are the best and meet all the requirements. Well, well, time will put everything in its place.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 6 January 2021 12: 25
            +1
            4 +++++
            it's worse than 5 ------ laughing laughing laughing
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 6 January 2021 14: 16
        -3
        Quote: orionvitt
        However, who knows, they have no equal in PR.

        Just like some in PONTS!
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 January 2021 10: 38
    -1

    Vladimir61 (Vladimir)
    Today, 08: 36
    NEW

    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    belongs to the airplane

    It is interesting that the Americans, for all their shortcomings, managed to impose them on all their partners ...
    That is why he is a merikatos - try not to take it, in the sense of buying it in three roads !!! wink instantly put on sanctions!
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  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 08: 28
    +4
    War does not gain from defense, but the rear and the army must be covered! Well, for air defense! drinks
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 6 January 2021 10: 22
      +3
      Air defense - missile defense, this is a good addition to the strike potential that exists.
      Everything should develop in an integrated manner, one complements the other.
      So for all our aircraft soldier
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 6 January 2021 10: 39
        +1
        already oozing infa that the Turks can give the S-400 to America for the F-35 .. there is no smoke without fire.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 January 2021 11: 30
          +3
          Quote: Aerodrome
          There is no smoke without fire.

          Before I began to learn chemistry, there was such a childlike confidence .... then, as I grew and got acquainted with a large, diverse world, many naive "confidences" had to be discarded.
          Let's just say ... there was no faith, no hope for a long and strong friendship with the Sultan, no and never will be.
          A situational travel companion, although the parallel route can take a long period. Only time will tell.
          Nothing and nothing can be ruled out.
          On the other hand, as a person involved, in the past, in the production of such items for our aircraft, and for export, I remember that they were so seriously different !!!
          I don't think they are doing it differently now.
          Moreover, there is nothing like that, impossible, unknown, for such a serious country as striping NO!
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 6 January 2021 11: 28
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      War does not gain from defense

      From defense, they are not primarily started.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 11: 32
        0
        Quote: orionvitt
        From defense, they are not primarily started.
        Rarely did Russia start a war, certainly not in this century.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 6 January 2021 11: 46
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Russia started the war, surely not in this century

          Russia started many wars. But not because of a desire to seize someone, or to profit at someone else's expense (as is customary with Western "partners"), but being in a desperate situation, when there is no other way. This is what unscrupulous historians use, accusing Russia of "universal aggression."
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 11: 54
            +1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Russia started many wars
            Well, if you count the interference in someone's conflict, then yes. Or against the Turks and the Swedes, but I consider this to be pure self-defense.
  • HAM
    HAM 6 January 2021 08: 38
    +4
    ".... EVEN stealth planes will face problems ......"
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 6 January 2021 08: 41
    +13
    Americans have already wound themselves up so much in terms of their exclusivity that even outright rubbish is considered perfection laughing Therefore, in order not to look like idiots, you have to limit the flights of your "perfection" near the coverage areas of air defense systems of the S-300 family and above.
    Okay, still the F-22 did not go where, but the thirty-fifth junk is considered the fifth generation ... fool request Do not tell my horseshoes lol
  • cniza
    cniza 6 January 2021 08: 44
    +9
    Some examples of these new systems are so sophisticated that many American military leaders fear that even stealth aircraft such as the F-22, F-35 and B-2 will face problems getting through them.


    No, but you are no invisible, from the word at all ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 6 January 2021 10: 10
      +1
      Hi soldier
      As we used to say - Greece has everything !.
      So now, however, for a long time already, you can say - Hollywood can do everything! .... I will order them and they will EXPLAIN to the whole world, they will prove that they have the most invisible "invisibles" in the world!
      This is normal".
      1. cniza
        cniza 6 January 2021 11: 52
        +4
        Well, yes, the main thing is advertising and sales, but what will happen in a real combat clash ...
        Greetings! hi
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 January 2021 12: 02
          +2
          Some people know how to use different techniques "correctly".
          For pirate raids, against a poorly prepared enemy, it works quite effectively.
          Otherwise, no one will try ...
          And so, any experiment is new data for subsequent developments, especially since everyone who can afford it and have the appropriate potential is already doing this.
          1. cniza
            cniza 6 January 2021 12: 06
            +4
            Quote: rocket757

            For pirate raids, against a poorly prepared enemy, it works quite effectively.
            Otherwise, no one will try ...


            Well, yes, they will not climb against a serious enemy, but I must admit that their F-16 is a very worthy car, but what is this, time will tell ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 6 January 2021 12: 11
              +2
              The Yankees entered the time of many expensive experiments ... they did not feel a real threat for themselves, so they wanted to "create" in order to reach a new level ... above all, better than anyone.
              So the process is interesting, exciting, but the exhaust is empty, sometimes. The guys got carried away, really believed in their exclusivity .... it happens.
              1. cniza
                cniza 6 January 2021 12: 14
                +3
                Quote: rocket757
                The guys got carried away, really believed in their exclusivity .... it happens.


                Yes, it brings them in not childishly and where it will lead ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 6 January 2021 12: 23
                  +2
                  It's hard to predict. Until everything is settled, anything can happen.
                  In general, the whole world is waiting for the end of that circus.
                  Although, for serious guys, countries, this is also the time for new opportunities !!! Stripes are involuntarily focused on their own, inner. Outside, the directions / services work according to pre-established plans and to rapid, abrupt changes in the world, the reaction, anyway, will be belated, not well prepared, provided. It is impossible to foresee everything in advance.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 6 January 2021 12: 30
                    +4
                    Would go about their own business, but not everyone is taught to live ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 6 January 2021 12: 49
                      +2
                      Teaching everyone to live, this is strictly according to plan, under any administration it is invariable!
                      Here is who and what additional, and even forceful measures of influence, will allow themselves !!! We are to see in the future.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 6 January 2021 16: 16
                        +3
                        And we’ll see where to go, we’ll see how they will fight with their internal problems ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 January 2021 16: 23
                        +2
                        Well, yes, "VERELUKHA" at themselves they lit up and the end of it, while, is not visible.
                        The whole world is in anticipation, although there are VERY MANY, ready to watch that "circus" endlessly.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 6 January 2021 16: 26
                        +3
                        It can be watched endlessly, but it will sprinkle all spectators with spray ...
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 January 2021 16: 49
                        +2
                        The splashes, of course, are unpleasant, but it can be washed off ... if only the larger sho does not fly from there.
                        We do not care, we will fight back, but whoever is smaller, weaker, who do not have reliable friends, can get much worse.
                      5. cniza
                        cniza 6 January 2021 17: 57
                        +3
                        It seems to me that they get bogged down in their internal problems and many will use this to get rid of their guardianship ...
                      6. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 January 2021 18: 19
                        +2
                        They threaten, threaten from there that they will get to everyone and ... equalize, according to their concepts.
                        Nobody expects anything good from dermocrats, in general.
                      7. cniza
                        cniza 6 January 2021 18: 22
                        +2
                        Soon events will begin to develop, they will have the approval of the results today, we'll see ...
                      8. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 January 2021 18: 23
                        +1
                        Well, yes, everything is now on standby ...
                      9. cniza
                        cniza 6 January 2021 18: 24
                        +2
                        There, Trump started a stormy activity and people on the streets arrive ...
                      10. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 January 2021 18: 28
                        +2
                        After the anti-war protests of the Vietnam crisis, this is the biggest, most violent thing that has happened.
  • 1536
    1536 6 January 2021 09: 16
    +5
    Paraphrasing the lines of the front-line poet Konstantin Simonov, today you can turn to the air defense soldiers:
    If your home is dear to you,
    You will also see the F-35.
    You will see him and knock him down
    For your father and mother to live ...
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 January 2021 09: 38
    -2
    Our air defense systems are snapped up like hot cakes. Why then has India still not received the S-400? We just don't have the production capacity !! We are not allowed to sell our gas! And who will give permission for the construction of defense enterprises? So it remains to read the laudatory articles about your weapon.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 January 2021 12: 40
      +1
      Finish raving.
    2. oprovergatel
      oprovergatel 6 January 2021 20: 19
      +1
      Uncle, why did you throw yourself at NG, something that still hasn't let you go?
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 6 January 2021 09: 40
    +3
    What is the phrase "may run into problems"? Was the F-35 shot down in the trash and scattered to the wreckage with a dangling pilot on a parachute - is this a "collision with a problem"? And what does "even F-35" mean? Like before the appearance of these Russian systems, the F-35 flew in the skies of Russia like at home?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 January 2021 09: 41
    -3
    NI: Some air defense systems of the Russian Federation are so perfect that even F-35 fighters can face problems

    You read some extracts from the protocol and I want to say, as in the film:

    A strange change of mood ... Well, did the testing of the Turks contribute? Or is someone covered?
    1. businessv
      businessv 6 January 2021 10: 49
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      .So, did the testing of the Turks contribute?

      Most likely, they realized that it would not be possible to repeat, resist or circumvent!
  • CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 6 January 2021 09: 46
    +5
    I would not like to start this quiet tube srach about the shortcomings of the "penguin", but what amused me in this hack's article:
    Russian anti-aircraft systems can create problems even for fifth generation fighters

    It is clear that they will create problems. This is not the question.
    Whatever Russian complexes do not create problems for American technology, do not fly over Russian territory! Well, you have nothing to do here. And there will be no problems. I'm honestly telling you.
    And then, you see, they have a nervous tremor in the absence of the ability to hang around without problems in someone else's airspace. And they are sincerely surprised why, in fact, it is impossible?
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 6 January 2021 09: 54
      +1
      After the air defense of Russia creates problems for American fighters, they simply will have nowhere to return, why should they fly to the territory of radioactive contamination?
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 6 January 2021 10: 15
      +2
      Welcome soldier
      By the way, YES, that's what I paid attention to.
      Beautifully written ... both ours and yours.
      We are, since we are, the most, the most, BUT, there may be some problems!
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 6 January 2021 09: 52
    +3
    If the F-22, F-35 and B-2 rush to the Russian air defense, then instead of the US and the EU there will soon be a radioactive lawn, in fact, in most of Russia the same. The United States knows this and understands that the meeting between the US aviation and the Russian air defense is a precursor to the apocalypse.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 January 2021 10: 30
    +2
    NI: Some air defense systems of the Russian Federation are so perfect that even F-35 fighters can face problems
    And they believe that the piece of iron fi 35 is the most that neither is))! It will fill up from a rocket like ordinary rubbish, it's like giving it a drink! No wonder the Merikatos have suspended the mass production of this very expensive iron! Warmed up the hands on sales to their allies laughing wassat
  • businessv
    businessv 6 January 2021 10: 46
    +3
    American military leaders fear that even stealth aircraft such as the F-22, F-35 and B-2 will face problems getting through them
    The military leaders of the states, first of all, must take care of how to survive themselves if they decide to start military operations against Russia!
  • venik
    venik 6 January 2021 10: 54
    +2
    ".....Some air defense systems of the Russian Federation are so perfect that even F-35 fighters can face problems...... "
    =========
    The word "even" is surprising, because, firstly, the F-35s have faced constant problems since their inception. And secondly: you might think that the widely advertised "penguin" is just the same "super-duper", and no one can see or hear it! Aha! The same problems await him as everyone else! And "stealth" here will not help him so much!
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 6 January 2021 11: 50
    0
    Photo in the article from this video (about the S-350 "Vityaz")
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 January 2021 12: 25
    -5
    According to the latest data, F35 is not visible with radars .... neither simple nor AFAR.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 January 2021 12: 42
      +3
      It is hardly noticeable - but not invisible in any way, and even in the infrared range we can clearly see it, which guarantees its defeat from MANPADS at low altitudes even from the oldest Arrow 2.
    2. Guru
      Guru 6 January 2021 13: 30
      0
      According to the latest data, F35 is not visible with radars .... neither simple nor AFAR.

      Hello Zaur.
      And passive glad?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 January 2021 13: 37
        0
        Hello .... I corresponded on another topic with an Israeli friend. He wrote that F18 was detected in the infrared range of F35, but the radar did not see it ... and so I am not a physicist.
        1. Charik
          Charik 8 January 2021 12: 46
          -1
          detection distance, concealed?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 8 January 2021 13: 12
            0
            Well, how far will the optics see the fighter?
            1. Charik
              Charik 8 January 2021 13: 21
              -1
              well, I have a monocle laughing , and what kind of optics on F18 I do not know, but the radar there is better than on some Soviet-Russian aircraft, I think up to 50 km?
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 8 January 2021 13: 23
                0
                Somewhere like that. OLS Su35S write about 50 km .... I think the Americans are not worse, at least.
    3. oprovergatel
      oprovergatel 6 January 2021 20: 26
      +1
      They also say that chickens are milked!

      Many believe ... (c)
  • Guru
    Guru 6 January 2021 13: 15
    0
    Some examples of these new systems are so perfect that many US military leaders fear that even such stealth aircraft as the F-22, F-35 and B-2, will face challenges in overcoming them
    So we put these traps on them, and on air trash.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 6 January 2021 15: 32
    +1
    Quote: orionvitt
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    but what about the green card?

    These are the times now that living in the West and in America in particular is becoming more and more uncomfortable. There will be more further. Of course, money is good everywhere, but not everyone has it. the overwhelming majority therefore left for the west for a dream, in the hope of a better life. Everything, the "American dream" is over, as they say, "Bobik is dead." With which I congratulate them.

    That’s why all the Russian "nobility" transfers their grandmothers there, acquires real estate - just because they are "uncomfortable" there! lol
  • Redsun
    Redsun 6 January 2021 19: 42
    +1
    The quantitative and qualitative indicators of domestic air defense systems are indeed a matter of pride for our armed forces. It remains to close the last, but very dangerous hole - to provide the troops with a cheap and effective means of destroying UAVs, loitering ammunition and other slag, which has spread like mud in recent years
  • eklmn
    eklmn 6 January 2021 21: 06
    -1
    Dave Majumdar of NI is actually quite a prolific journalist.
    His articles should be published more often, the Russians will like them.
    Here are just the headers:
    "This is why the US military is not in a panic over Chinese launch vehicles."
    "How serious is the threat from a Russian nuclear torpedo status 6?"
    "How China plans to destroy the invisible men (don't think anymore about the F-22, F-35 or B-2 bombers)"
    "Quantum radars: China's new weapon to destroy American stealth fighters (like the F-22)?"
    "This is an F-52 fighter"
    "Russia may never get a stealth bomber"
    “Russia wants a new stealth bomber. It can be difficult to build for one reason. ”
    “Forget about the S-500 or the Su-57 PAK-FA. The Russian military has big plans for the future. But will they really come true? "


    And hundreds more articles! Dig into NI, you will find a lot of interesting ...!
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 7 January 2021 11: 20
    0
    EVEN F-35? that cannot be. Anything would be at risk, but not the F-35. Even if you shoot it down with a steel blank (it is not possible to do this with a rocket, since it is invisible to missiles), it will not fall, but will continue to float in the air, reflecting all air defense signals and ignoring the electronic warfare systems. There is NOTHING in the universe that could damage the F-35 other than refusing to buy it.
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    1. shinobi
      shinobi 7 January 2021 17: 46
      +3
      In order to completely close the skies of Syria, an echeloned air defense is needed, which is not there and is close. This requires money, a lot of money. For a gift / idea, like the USSR, Russia does not work. And thank God. We covered the base and the main facilities with an umbrella. , it's already good. The Israelites must be squeezed, of course, but there is some kind of high politics going on.
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        1. shinobi
          shinobi 8 January 2021 01: 28
          0
          If the air defense systems belonging to Russia begin to shoot down Israeli planes, then the United States will come with NATO and a big war will begin. And so one small state pakastit another. And pakastit vilely, from its airspace. Specificity of local wars where both sides are shot from the border to borders almost from the machine.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 7 January 2021 17: 37
    0
    Oh! It's been a long time since Majmur hasn't been translated. I thought they fired, but no. All these "invisibles" of theirs are effective only against the technology of the 80s. A modern AFAR, not the newest sales, can examine an object with an RCS the size of a ball at a distance of 100 km. golf. Air-to-air missiles will have more EPR. Even if the unseen and fire from their favorite long distance, there will be a carriage for anti-missile maneuvers. The Vietnam War taught them nothing. Well, for air defense systems with their decimeter radars, somehow without the difference they see them.
  • Staffa1976
    Staffa1976 7 January 2021 23: 31
    0
    There is a good expression: "Generals are always ready for the 'past' war." We have learned a good experience from the lessons of the Great Patriotic War. Therefore, we have created the best air defense system and air defense penetration system. But ... The technique does not stand still. Therefore. Comrades (gentlemen) scientists, think of something against modern means of attack! PS This is not said in reproach, but in support of our military-industrial complex!
  • HOMUT1430
    HOMUT1430 8 January 2021 10: 21
    0
    The f-35 itself is a problem. a flying chicken. and this squalor is the most expensive in history.
  • Charik
    Charik 8 January 2021 12: 15
    -1
    And what will comrade Damantsev say to the attack-Mujamara laughing
  • BOB044
    BOB044 8 January 2021 20: 42
    0
    Tremble the heaps.
  • Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 10 January 2021 00: 50
    0
    Any air defense can be pushed through. But the choice of means of destruction and the strike outside the range of the air defense systems and the decision on losses among aircraft is already taken by the aggressor. As a variant of Israel's game in Syria.
  • polygraph sh.
    polygraph sh. 19 January 2021 22: 21
    0
    oh, how good, and now I would have done it, Schaub people lived well!
  • Peter Shmakov
    Peter Shmakov 19 January 2021 23: 43
    0
    What a pity that the bayraktars did not know this, wi-wai-wai!
  • VasYok
    VasYok 21 January 2021 02: 30
    0
    fighting 16 targets simultaneously.

    Nothing against a pack of 100 small Perdix drones.