Friendship against Turkey: Israel and Greece expand military cooperation

Israeli Defense Minister Beni Gantz on Tuesday hailed a $ 1,68 billion military cooperation agreement with Greece, calling it "a reflection of the excellent and developing relationship" between the two states. He noted that the signed document meets the interests of both Israel and Greece, will create hundreds of jobs and will contribute to stability in the Mediterranean. Beni Gantz is pleased that Israel and Greece are expanding military cooperation.

In a telephone conversation that took place after the agreement was approved, I thanked my friend, the Minister of Defense of Greece, Nikolaos Panayotopoulos, and expressed my gratitude for his personal participation in promoting this project.

Gantz said.

The agreement between the Israeli authorities and Athens regarding cooperation in the defense sphere provides for the creation of a flight school for Greek pilots by the Israeli company Elbit Systems, the purchase of ten M-346 training aircraft by Greece, maintenance of Israeli-made T-6 aircraft. In addition, Israel is committed to providing simulators, logistics and training assistance.

To a greater extent, the rapprochement between Athens and Israel is friendship against Turkey. Both Greece and Israel call Ankara's policy in the eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East “expansionist”. This forces all the countries of the region to come closer, which categorically disagree with it.

Comments

[Tagan]

At whose expense is the banquet? The Greeks started up money and immediately had partners. That's the scent)))

[Orange bigg]

Look for who benefits from the anti-Turkish coalition. France, Israel, Egypt, possibly Great Britain. Yes, Erdogan interferes with many.

[Zaurbek]

Which of them pays money? Greece is bankrupt. Jews are friends for money ...

[air defense]

Greece is so bankrupt that its GDP per capita is twice that of Russia.

[iouris]

Should Russia be bankrupted to have the same GDP per capita as in Greece?

[Bagatur]

No! We must work and do not stand on the needle of natural resources! We need production like Germany, Japan, USA, etc.

[Zaurbek]

After the collapse of the shipping industry, what is Greece producing? From manufactured goods? And so yes, just forgot how much debt in% of the country's GDP. And how many times have you failed to pay on time. The record holder is Britain ... then Italy, then Greece. With such indicators, the Russian Federation has already closed.

[atalef]

Quote: Zaurbek

And so yes, just forgot how much debt in% of the country's GDP.

Ethiopia has 13%, less than Russia, and 100 times less than Luxembourg.
conclusion --- in Ethiopia, the standard of living is higher than that of the named countries?

[Turist1996]

Can I give you another list of countries here? And you will be quite surprised by the difference between Ethiopia and similar countries with a minimum of GDP debt and a standard of living ?! Otherwise, you know how to pull out, according to your bestial custom, what is convenient, but to say that you justify the bestial custom of robbing anyone who is weaker than you - the gut is thin! For weaklings in life!

[atalef]

Quote: Zaurbek

After the collapse of the shipping industry, what is Greece producing? From manufactured goods?

Write out of envy?
Greeks coped with the crisis and reached the level of GDP 2 times higher than in Russia.

[Zaurbek]

No need to compare .... they pumped up Euro ..... European Center Bank .... and this GDP is inflated. And a lot of property was pledged to the same German banks ..... in countries outside of $ and € this is hardly possible.

[atalef]

Quote: Zaurbek

No need to compare .... they pumped up Euro ..... European Center Bank .... and this GDP is inflated.

Are there any proofs? About the inflated one?
Where in which sector, for what amount?

Quote: Zaurbek

And a lot of property was pledged to the same German banks ..

What is the problem with collateral?
Collateral is a standard procedure when taking a loan, what do you dislike?

[Turist1996]

The fact that the collateral is a sign of bankruptcy .. and so yeah - all the rules!

[Turist1996]

Jackals are not envied, Aleph ..

[Turist1996]

Yes Yes! Russia only does what lies on the stove! The Greeks only work, and the noise behind their ears is made up of their work ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zaurbek

Greece is bankrupt. Jews are friends for money ...

And Israel in that region does not even have neutrals, everyone is against it. So Greece is the best option, and maybe even the Greeks themselves will give them something on the cheap.

[shahor]

Quote: tihonmarine

everyone is against him.

With Egypt, a peace treaty, with Jordan, too, Bahrain, OAU, Morocco, signed. Sudan ... The Saudis will sign soon, but for now they have opened the air for Israel ... You have confused something ... Or maybe you accidentally read it from the preserved filing of the newspaper Pravda for 197 ...?

[XXXIII]

Quote: shahor

Quote: tihonmarine

everyone is against him.

With Egypt, a peace treaty, with Jordan, too, Bahrain, OAU, Morocco, signed. Sudan ... The Saudis will sign soon, but for now they have opened the air for Israel ... You have confused something ... Or maybe you accidentally read it from the preserved filing of the newspaper Pravda for 197 ...?

Is this contract worth something? And will it be worth it if strong interests come from outside? You know the answer yourself, right ?! The Arab coalition also made friends against Israel all together, Israel won, and these betrayed each other and fled through the burrows.
But based on the topic, this is not friendship, but partners of interest at the moment. If the Turks start to smash one of the "friends", that's where all the friendship will manifest itself.

[atalef]

Quote: XXXIII

But based on the topic, this is not friendship, but partners of interest at the moment.

like Russia and Turkey in Syria 7
Only between Israel and Greece there were never tensions (from the word in general)
always had a great relationship.

[XXXIII]

Quote: atalef

like Russia and Turkey in Syria 7
Only between Israel and Greece there were never tensions (from the word in general)
always had a great relationship.

And Greece fought along with Israel for the independence of Israel.))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: shahor

You have confused something ... Or maybe you accidentally read it in the preserved filing of the newspaper Pravda for 197 ...?

Many who and with whom signed contracts, did not remain friends. You naively think that the Arab countries will be friends with the Israelis, it’s good to remain neutral for a while. You are not reading newspapers, but looking at real life.

[shahor]

Quote: tihonmarine

Do you naively think that Arab countries will be friends with Israelis,

It is difficult to have a discussion with a person who has no idea about the subject of the dispute ... Do you even know that for many centuries Jews and Arabs lived peacefully in the same state, respecting each other? History repeats itself - that's all. And there are objective reasons for this. And you are stuck in your frozen convictions at the level of half a century ago, without bothering to delve into the essence of the current events, but with aplomb allowing yourself to draw frivolous conclusions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: shahor

Do you even know that for many centuries Jews and Arabs lived peacefully in one state, respecting each other?

I know that they lived peacefully for centuries, and only on May 15, 1948, Israel became a state, but where all the kingdoms of David and Solomon went, I don't know, and why the Jews wandered around the world for centuries without their state, I also don't know. And I know that on the night of May 16, 1948, the Diga of the Arab States began a war against the newly formed state. Here is a peace for you that has not come and will not come.
The Zion Jews know their history well, they need to be respected, they created the country, and they protect it. But the Galut Jews did not create anything, and they only grind with their tongues.

[shahor]

Quote: tihonmarine

But the Galut Jews did not create anything, and they only grind with their tongues.

Forgive me, but you, it turns out, are even more ignorant than I thought ... Galut Jews are 2000 years of history, starting with Rashi and Maimonides, revered by Muslims, and ending with Einstein. There is not enough space to fill in the names of the time gap ... Galut talker Einstein ... Galut talker Khariton - Chief Designer of USSR nuclear charges. Your aplomb and fanfare are no less than ignorance. It's a shame, dear!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: shahor

Aplomb and fanfare you have no less than ignorance. It's a shame, dear!

It's time to know about your nationality, although you know perfectly well who the Galut Jews are. You are ashamed not to know. As well as who are the "Zionists" and "Territorialists". And for some reason, many of you believe that there was a Holocaust of Jews in WWII, but the Holocaust was in Europe, but not in other countries of the world. And so it is necessary to write - "the Holocaust of the Galut Jews."

[shahor]

Quote: tihonmarine

And so it is necessary to write - "the Holocaust of the Galut Jews."

Listen, well, and a mess in your head! What does the Holocaust have to do with it? In your comments you are trying to divide the Jews into Galut and, conditionally, Israeli, without understanding the essence of Galut. It was the Galut Jews at the very beginning of the Middle Ages who created the ideological basis that provided the possibility of preserving the identity of the people who lived in the diaspora for 2000 years. The history of mankind knows no such example. Without Galut there would be no Israel today. I tried to explain this to you as briefly and clearly as possible. Please do not write about what you absolutely do not know.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: shahor

It was the Galut Jews at the very beginning of the Middle Ages who created the ideological basis that provided the possibility of preserving the identity of the people who lived in the diaspora for 2000 years.

Why did you all climb 2000 years ago, so for the whole world, and for you the last 100 years are most important, and not millennia ago, which no one remembers, and really does not know.

[Turist1996]

Made laugh!
"The sheep and the wolves have signed a peace treaty!"
Five points out of five for humor!

[atalef]

Quote: tihonmarine

And Israel does not even have neutrals in that region, everyone is against it.

Really ? List the countries.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: atalef

Really ? List the countries.

Remember, if you know that on May 14, 1948, Eretz Yisrael, the State of Israel, was formed, and at midnight the British Mandate in Palestine ended, and immediately the Arab League attacked Israel. This is how the First Arab-Israeli War began, and I will not list those states that attacked Israel.
But let me remind you that with the beginning of the League's aggression, only the Soviet delegation to the UN declared that if the Arabs did not want to reckon with the UN decision, then Israel received the right to disregard the established borders, and could expand its territory, which happened as a result of Israel's victory in the Arab-Israeli war. I think you should know this, but if not, then dig in and find.

[atalef]

Quote: tihonmarine

Remember, if you know, that on May 14, 1948, Eretz Yisrael, the State of Israel, was formed, and at midnight the British Mandate in Palestine ended, and immediately the Arab League attacked Israel.

Are you having trouble reading comprehension?
I don’t need to make excursions into history, I know history perfectly.
You answer the question

Quote: atalef

Quote: tihonmarine
And Israel does not even have neutrals in that region, everyone is against it.

.

Quote: atalef

Really ? List the countries.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: atalef

I don’t need to make excursions into history, I know history perfectly.

You do not know well, here are the Israelis Zionists who created their own state of Israel, they know history well.
And you are clearly told that immediately on the FIRST day of the formation of the state, the entire League of Arab countries attacked Israel, and now they have not become more friendly, and will not become. It’s time to look at the history before the birth of Christ, too, sometimes.

[Turist1996]

Atalef's problem with the perception of reality:
"Everyone in the Middle East fell in love with Israel against Turkey!"
Can be recorded as a diagnosis!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Turist1996

"Everyone in the Middle East fell in love with Israel against Turkey!"
Can be recorded as a diagnosis!

In any Arab country, as soon as you start talking about Jews, their eyes turn red and suffered. For 40 years working with Arabs, I have seen enough of their love for such alatephs.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Turist1996

Atalef's problem with the perception of reality:

This is for everyone who was not born in Israel, but came from the former Soviet Union for permanent residence.

[Nagaibak]

atalef "Seriously? List the countries."
Yes, nooo ....))) Everyone in the Middle East region loves your state.))) Arabs, Persians. Turks.))) Since recently, Armenians.))) It seems that those agreements that they signed with you are temporary and nothing more. Like any other contracts.)))))) Do you believe in them yourself?)))) Therefore, you should not pin us up here.)))) It's for you to live among them, not us.)))

[Danila46]

And Russians are friends today for friendship ???
Do not tell my slippers ...
Today, everyone is friends either for money, or against someone in order to protect their territory and money, or for influence, that this is the same money in the end. And there is no need to put emphasis on nationality, otherwise it starts to smell like Nazism ...

[Turist1996]

For interests, my friend, exclusively for interests! But whose interests are these - a big question !?

[svp67]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Look for who benefits from the anti-Turkish coalition. France, Israel, Egypt, possibly Great Britain. Yes, Erdogan interferes with many.

Well, here is the active policy of Turkey, that "a bone in the throat" of both Greece and Israel ...

[atalef]

Quote: svp67

Well, here is the active policy of Turkey, which is a "bone in the throat" of both Greece and Israel.

And who doesn't?
Or are you the only one who enjoys Erdogan?

[svp67]

Quote: atalef

Or are you the only one who enjoys Erdogan?

Why doesn't your mother-in-law in Kiev like him? Zelensky prays so much for his portrait is ready, over there in the New Year's greetings the "Sultan" was mentioned and shown even earlier than Trump and oh God, Biden ... ah, yay, yay, not to mention all sorts of Merkel and Macron ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: atalef

And who doesn't?
Or are you the only one who enjoys Erdogan?

Everyone chooses companions with whom it is beneficial to go.

[atalef]

Quote: svp67

here is an active policy of Turkey, that "a bone in the throat" of both Greece and Israel ...

but Russia is not?

[Nagaibak]

atalef "is there no Russia?"
Russia?))) Yes, don't give a damn like that. Well, Turkey may complicate Russia's life in one of the directions of foreign policy. So what?))) One enemy more than one less. But you can bargain with them, you can use various combinations in the region.)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: atalef

but Russia is not?

Shaky, not roll, but somehow from the 17th century, and we live together, and we will beat each other's faces
friend, and then we live peacefully, not a sidekick in a hickey, but somehow it turns out not badly.
And ask any Russian how many people are vacationing in Israel, and how many in Turkey, probably at least once, but everyone has visited Turkey.

[Real Pilot]

And as Russia it suits us
Erdogan in Syria, Libya, Azerbaijan, and also against Cyprus and Greece ... Well, plus Israel to help. With EU and US friction ...
Everywhere the Sultan has designated positions, but he cannot hold them all at once.
Will be more accommodating ... With us.

[atalef]

Quote: RealPilot

Will be more accommodating ... With us.

or will not

[Anar]

It can be seen that they are still afraid of the Turks, the races are so united. But they forgot about Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan. These 3 countries with knives for Turkey will climb into battle. Only the Afghans with knives will put all of Greece in place.
For France - Turkey is not Libya, it will strike so that it will not seem a little.
And England would rather side with Turkey than Greece.
Israel and Turkey have someone to try on, they have mutual friends and common enemies. Also common interests.
At the last moment, if 70 million Turks in the form of refugees flee to Europe, then all European countries themselves will throw stones at France for such a prank.

[atalef]

Quote: Anar

But they forgot about Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan. These 3 countries with knives for Turkey will climb into battle.

come on . that's gonevo.

Quote: Anar

Afghans with knives will put all of Greece in place.

yes, they will cut it straight into ribbons from a peakless cap. Afghans. Tajiks with Pashtuns.

Quote: Anar

For France - Turkey is not Libya, it will strike so that it will not seem a little.

that's because someone is buggy. Turkey will attack France.

Quote: Anar

And England would rather side with Turkey than Greece.

well. Yes of course

Quote: Anar

At the last moment, if 70 million Turks in the form of refugees flee to Europe

You seem to have argued 3 lines above that Turkey will smash France and, like, waiting here, decides to surrender?
Your logic is somehow interesting.

[Anar]

It is clear that you yourself are not a boom boom, but hysterical to the maximum) ..... Firstly, Tajiks are farces, but they definitely will not climb for Turkey. Secondly, Pakistan is 15th in terms of strength in the world ranking, Indonesia is 16th (ahead of Israel (17), Greece is 33rd in the same ranking).
Do you have any doubts about the fighting spirit of the Afghans? And these 3 countries will stand up like a mountain for Turkey.
I claimed that it will blow? I said it won't seem a little.
And I did not say to surrender either, I said at worst.
No need to interpret words, be able to read as they are and accept facts.

[saigon]

Sir, but how Indonesia, to hell with them with Pakistan and Afghanistan, but Indonesia will be able to help the Turks?
Narno's Chinese junks will arrive 16 in the ranking? And through where Afghan and Pakistan will come to help with knives?
Iran will not otherwise establish the road.
Of course, Pakistan does not have everything with the Indians smoothly and decorously, and the Afghans, having ceased diligently cutting each other and spitting on everything, will rush to save and help Turkey.

[atalef]

Quote: Anar

You can see that you yourself are not boom boom,

Quote: Anar

Pakistan is 15th in strength in the world rankings, Indonesia 16th (ahead of Israel (17)

So for Turkey on rating will get involved?

Quote: Anar

Do you have any doubts about the fighting spirit of the Afghans?

I don’t know Afghans and I’m sure. that they will not run dropping their slippers on the Turkish front
And with what edge did they write Indonesia? what the heck is that to them?
In short - learn materiel

Quote: Anar

as it is and accept the facts.

facts ? is everything all right with your head?

[Nagaibak]

atalef "I do not know Afghans and I am certainly sure that they will not run dropping their slippers on the Turkish front."
Yes, they were in Karabakh and Bosnia at one time. They did not show themselves in anything outstanding.)))) What kind of knives are there?))) Brad.)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: atalef

And England would rather side with Turkey than Greece.

well. Yes of course

This has been the case for at least over 200 years, with minor changes in favor of Germany.

[Pavlos Melas]

It can be seen that they are still afraid of the Turks, the races are so united.

We are not afraid, but we are taking action.

But they forgot about Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan. These 3 countries with knives for Turkey will climb into battle. Only the Afghans with knives will put all of Greece in place.

That is why we have not forgotten the tactics of using bashi-bazouks, therefore, we are taking action.
Current one question where are the heroic legions of Azerbaijanis or for you only Afghans with knives They occupied Karabakh. Here all the commentators as one asserted that: only themselves, only Azerbaijanis. After this comment, it’s hard to believe, or rather, it’s believed that the Afghans fought with knives.

At the last moment, if 70 million Turks in the form of refugees flee to Europe, then all European countries themselves will throw stones at France for such a prank.

If all 70 million run (nonsense, of course, but still) then they will no longer run to Europe, but to their homeland in Central Asia

[Thrifty]

The main question here is whether the Israelis themselves decided to try to pull the Sultan, or were they very "asked" by the Yankees about this? Not the others do not need a strong Turkey, "Balevar cannot bear two," there should be one dominant in the region, and this is clearly not Turkey, from which Erdogad is trying to recreate the sultanate. Turkey must at any cost return to the forvater of US politics, or else they will eventually start burning tires and shouting Erdogad go away ...

[TermNachTer]

Who else has Erdogan not had time to quarrel with?)))) On the other hand, it is good for Russia, the newly-minted sultan will not be able to play too much.

[Russobel]

That's the scent)))

So what a scent it is ...
All seven forty are canceled, we dance sirtaki!

[tralflot1832]

Well, wait, the guys from the Promised Land will come. Congratulations in advance, a good choice of an ally for the gas in the Mediterranean. Have they even started drilling gas in the Mediterranean? And 9 billion from Baku will not be enough. This is the capacity of the factory burned down in Hammerfest.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

Have you even started to drill in the Mediterranean?

I don’t know whether I will make you happy or sad.
Israel supplies gas to Jordan and Egypt.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, you can go there. The plans for Mediterranean gas were Napoleonic, we will fill Europe with gas in defiance of Gazprom; and in the end, nothing.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: tralflot1832

Yes, you can go there. The plans for Mediterranean gas were Napoleonic, we will fill Europe with gas in defiance of Gazprom; and in the end, nothing.

It was the zhurnalyug who had such "plans". Where does Israel get gas for Europe?

[tralflot1832]

The issue is the price of gas and the price of the pipeline. Not yet profitable. Northern Stream 2 with the Baltic depths of $ 12 billion, and here is the Mediterranean. And so two contracts of $ 15 billion for 10 years with Egypt and Jordan are normal.

[APASUS]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Where does Israel get gas for Europe?

Have you heard of the Leviathan?

November 6, 2018
Israel signed an agreement with Greece, Italy and Cyprus to build the world's longest gas pipeline, Times of Israel reports.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Where does Israel get gas for Europe?

Have you heard of the Leviathan?

November 6, 2018
Israel signed an agreement with Greece, Italy and Cyprus to build the world's longest gas pipeline, Times of Israel reports.

It's not that big. And the pipeline makes sense only if the Cypriot fields are connected. And he should only deliver gas to Greece and Italy.

[Brturin]

Quote: APASUS

November 6, 2018
Israel signed an agreement with Greece, Italy and Cyprus to build the world's longest gas pipeline, Times of Israel reports.

You can say and sign the same thing, but ... back in 2005, the Galsi gas pipeline project appeared to the same Italy, but from Algeria 1,5 thousand kilometers through Sardinia, and a feasibility study was made and an agreement between Italy and Algeria was signed. .. time goes on ... November 6, 2018 ... Summer 2020 -. "The Israeli government has approved a framework agreement between the Jewish state, Greece and Cyprus for the construction of the EastMed pipeline, which was signed by the ministers of the three countries in Athens on January 2, and provides for Italy's joining the project, Haaretz reported on Monday." https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9009887 So Italy officially joined or how ...

[tralflot1832]

To sign one thing, and somebody knows the price of the issue, with such gas prices now it won't pay off for a long time.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

were Napoleonic, we will fill Europe with gas in spite of Gazprom

You are mistaken, in terms of volumes they are not competitors to Gazprom, but it is quite possible to bring down the monopoly and the price.

[tralflot1832]

The price is now dictated by the demand and the damned covid.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

The price is now dictated by the demand and the damned covid.

"Everything passes and this will pass"
And he was right!

[atalef]

Quote: tralflot1832

The price is now dictated by the demand and the damned covid.

Don't you include LNG in this formula?

[tralflot1832]

The drop in production and consumption all over the world and the numbers are definitely not the ones that are being snatched to us. LNG certainly affects, but it is still too low. Europe is still sharpened on pipeline gas and they will have it for a long time. Everyone is trying to transfer gas where it is more expensive to cover losses 2020.

[Petro_tut]

but to bring down the monopoly and the price, it is quite possible.

Have you counted the economics of the gasket? If at current prices it will pay for itself, then where is the gesheft? More egg broth?
Or did it touch the pipes for Qatari gas?

[tralflot1832]

Even I'm stupid. Gas for Egypt is 64 billion cubic meters and the contract price is $ 15 billion. It turns out that your Gazprom employees are cooler than ours. 4 billion cubic meters.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: tralflot1832

Gas for Egypt is 64 billion cubic meters and the contract price is $ 15 billion. It turns out that your Gazprom employees are cooler than ours.

At 4x per cube, the contract price would be 256 yards. And at 15 for 64, it turns out about 230 for 1000 cubic meters.

Quote: tralflot1832

Even I'm dull

[tralflot1832]

Egypt at such a price is also going to liquefy it, probably Israel will be in a share, why does it need such a lighter on its territory.

[atalef]

Quote: tralflot1832

Well, wait, the guys from the Promised Land will come. Congratulations in advance, a good choice of an ally for a gas in the Mediterranean. Have you even started drilling a gas in Mediterranean?

What does the gazik have to do with it? Well, in general, you were banned from Google?

Quote: tralflot1832

Otherwise, 9 billion from Baku will not be enough.

where are the firewood from?

[tralflot1832]

From the forest, you know, read about the capacity of the gas fields in Baku, about Turkmen gas and do not dream, there China is in a hurry.

[atalef]

Quote: tralflot1832

don't dream about Turkmen gas

and why the heck is he to us?

[Shahno]

Israeli T-6?
And for a long time I suspected something ...
And so everything is according to plan.
As our ancestor said: "It's time to love ...". Who's next - Morocco, Sudan, Bahrain, UAE ... Maybe SA?
And the Greeks just know with whom it is profitable and reliable to do business here ..

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Shahno

And the Greeks just know with whom it is profitable and reliable to do business here ..

It's just that the "orphans" have no one to choose from, the Europeans will not fight for the Greeks ... in principle, the EU is not afraid of the Turks, but of the Syrian and African refugees who can rush to the EU, and to its Western part ... (in the Eastern part of the EU it is not it is so comfortable, and you can get it on the hrept, because the locals, from the collapse of the police station, still cannot learn tolerance for some reason ....) ... and the place of development of gas fields is still closer to the Greeks and Israelis Jews ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: Shahno

And the Greeks just know with whom it is profitable and reliable to do business here ..

It's just that the "orphans" have no one to choose from, the Europeans will not fight for the Greeks ... in principle, the EU is not afraid of the Turks, but of the Syrian and African refugees who can rush to the EU, and to its Western part ... (in the Eastern part of the EU it is not it is so comfortable, and you can get it on the hrept, because the locals, from the collapse of the police station, still cannot learn tolerance for some reason ....) ... and the place of development of gas fields is still closer to the Greeks and Israelis Jews ...

Do you think the Israelis will fight for us? If you don't fight for yourself, then you will definitely lose everything ... and no one should. The point is that Erdogan squeezed all the neighbors' calluses in the region, so everyone is quietly engaged in diplomacy against Erdo's "partner". Arabs and Jews are establishing contacts; it is now easier for the Greeks to conduct their diplomacy in B.V. Europe is not afraid of refugees, if they want to stop the flow, they will stop speculation on illegal immigrants, it is profitable to breed ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Do you think the Israelis will fight for us?

I haven't written a word about it ... no one needs you ...

Arabs and Jews forge contacts

Even without Erdogan, they have been establishing contacts for a long time ... around the beginning of the "Arab Spring", which knocked on the door only for certain Arabs ...

Europe is not afraid of refugees, if they want to stop the flow, they will stop speculation on illegal immigrants, it is profitable to breed ...

Tell this to the people of southern and western Europe ....

[Pavlos Melas]

.... nobody needs you ....

We somehow didn't have any hope

Even without Erdogan, they have been establishing contacts for a long time ... around the beginning of the "Arab Spring", which knocked on the door only for certain Arabs ...

With the help of Erdogan, they are getting more and more fun.

Tell this to the people of southern and western Europe ....

Residents yes they are afraid but not the government.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

We somehow didn't have any hope

But nevertheless, the EU empiricalists are helping you, Canada and France stopped supplying components to Turkey for their UAVs, Germany, components and assemblies for a new Turkish tank .... it turns out even those who hated others in NATO and then everyone began to unite against Erdogan ...
Yes, and you are not angels, I recently read from periodicals that Greece began militarizing the islands close to Turkey ... Erdogan is extremely outraged ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Yes, and you are not angels, I recently read from periodicals that Greece began militarizing the islands close to Turkey ... Erdogan is extremely outraged ...

We are not white and fluffy straight angels in the flesh Fortunately, the region allows. On the islands, even if in general the forest goes, we returned them from Italy And the Aegean army stands opposite these islands, so Erdo has nothing to fear.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

On the islands, even if in general the forest goes, we returned them from Italy And the Aegean army stands opposite these islands, so Erdo has nothing to fear.

According to the plans, the Aegean PA of the Army of Turkey was supposed to be disbanded, but the events in the SAR changed plans ...

[SSR]

Quote: Shahno

And the Greeks just know with whom it is profitable and reliable to do business here ..

Damn, you "spoiled" your comment with this phrase! and I sometimes think, why do the Greeks now with Brussels, now with Paris, now with Berlin, and even with the Turks, despite NATO, things are not going well? And this turns out to be all from the fact that they know who is reliable and profitable!))) Thank you!))

[Shahno]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Look for who benefits from the anti-Turkish coalition. France, Israel, Egypt, possibly Great Britain. Yes, Erdogan interferes with many.

In general, the East does not like the grief of revisionists and renegades. Erdogan can also go into this category if he persists.

[Orange bigg]

It's already there. The Atlantic Council has published a list of risks and opportunities for 2021. In the report, Turkey, Iran, China and the DPRK are included in the category of "dangerous rogue states" (Rogue State).

[DEVIL LIFE'S]

This friendship can be at the expense of the UAE or KSA. Remember they still sponsored Egypt

[Shahno]

Quote: tralflot1832

Turkey, Qatar and Iran are against it, so let's see, while the Greeks are in debt, like in silks.

Perhaps ... Today, by the way, Qatar may very much change its position.

[tralflot1832]

Qatar has allocated 500 million dead presidents to help the Houthis. A good amount, not only Iran will be in a money sled against the United States, the Saudis and Israel's new partner.

[Dart2027]

The best part is that Russia is out of business and will not fight for anyone.

[Shahno]

Quote: Dart2027

The best part is that Russia is out of business and will not fight for anyone.

Good. Only if war breaks out in this cauldron? And where will Russia be ... On whose side ..

[Orange bigg]

Russia will be on its side. Even if you fantasize and estimate the alignment of a possible war between Israel and Greece against Turkey, then the longer there is instability, the longer they will not build a gas pipeline to southern Europe. Gazprom dreams come true. And if not fantasize, then who will allow the war and to overwhelm the project of a gas pipeline to Europe, which is being created in spite of Russia? Here, most likely, I will believe in what can blaze in Iran. Iran today began enriching uranium to 20%.

[tralflot1832]

Let's not forget the Suez Canal, Egypt will also subscribe.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Shahno

Only if war breaks out in this cauldron?

Yes to health.

Quote: Shahno

And where will Russia ... On whose side.

And with what joy does she even be on someone's side? In Syria, the disposal of Daesh away from its borders, bases in the Mediterranean Sea, contracts for oil production, and then what is the profit?

[Shahno]

Quote: Thrifty

The main question here is whether the Israelis themselves decided to try to pull the Sultan, or were they very "asked" by the Yankees about this? Not the others do not need a strong Turkey, "Balevar cannot bear two," there should be one dominant in the region, and this is clearly not Turkey, from which Erdogad is trying to recreate the sultanate. Turkey must at any cost return to the forvater of US politics, or else they will eventually start burning tires and shouting Erdogad go away ...

Here the Turks themselves do not know ...
There are 400 commissions on the analysis of influence. This is with the approval of the Turkish side.

[Thrifty]

Shakhno (I am in Russian) -Erdogad took too much on himself, and then there are two options - either he will bend from an exorbitant burden, or he will have to share the burden with someone! But, the question of questions is - with whom to share, how to share, will it not result in the loss of part of the acquired as a result of the affair? You can't throw it, it's the east, here the weak will be eaten in an instant, but to throw it means to show your weakness! Alternatively, permanent agreements while they give at least a rusty penny of profit, a new pact with a new pseudo-ally, and so constantly, slowly building an empire, including by the hands of others, or Maidan, or an auto-accident, or illness. ..

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Thrifty

-erdogad took too much on himself, and then there are two options-or he will bend from an exorbitant burden, or he will have to share the burden with someone!

He's already thinking about it.
Mesut Kasin, Turkey's foreign affairs adviser, made a statement that if Israel takes one step, Turkey can take two steps, ”meaning the ongoing negotiations with Israel.
“If we see the green light, Turkey will reopen the embassy and return our ambassador. Maybe in March we can again fully restore diplomatic relations. Why not".
But Israel is in no hurry to embrace the sly Erdogan.

[Thrifty]

Vitaly Gusin (I am in Russian) in your relations with Erdogad, you should also be guided by the principle “don’t believe a Turk”, if you don’t want to get a knife in the back, and not only figuratively! The sultan is unpredictable, cunning and cunning in the East, and most importantly, he acts in his personal interests, hiding behind the interests of the Turkish people, who, in general, are not eager to have Kurds in the rear as enemies!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Thrifty

in relations with Erdogad, you should also be guided by the principle of "don't believe a Turk", if you do not want to get a knife in the back, and not only figuratively!

You are right, Israel experienced this for itself.
Construction and training of the Turkish Air Force before coming to the rule of Erdogan.
And a knife in the back (literally) on the Marmara.
And now at the talks they say that Erdogan's advisers are to blame for this.

[SSR]

Quote: Thrifty

The sultan is unpredictable, in the east is cunning and cunning

And Jews are good-natured and straightforward, not like Eastern people.)))

Quote: Thrifty

he acts in his personal interests, hiding behind the interests of the Turkish people

Bibi is also hiding behind the people, and he himself wants to buy a "oil pipe" for the family and a few more hectares of land in Palestine and in the heights.)))
Oh, these Eastern politicians are either a matter of the politics of the West, the same of England, honest, noble, for world peace, for the poor, for equality and Democracy!)))

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Mesut Kasin, Adviser to the President of Turkey for Foreign Affairs

Erdogan recently stated that Turkey has no insoluble problems with any country. In general, he has a very peaceful rhetoric lately. It seems to have fought.

[Bagatur]

No money ... Economics went to ...)))

[voyaka uh]

This is a Greek initiative.
They have become agitated lately due to a noticeable military
strengthening Turkey.
And this flight school.
And it is also planned at the Greek shipyard to start stamping corvettes from the Israeli
stuffing for two navies.
And to produce in Greece (for Greece) armored personnel carriers with Israeli hinged armor.
Like "friends against Erdogan."

[OgnennyiKotik]

Rather, make friends for the shekels. There is a market, a lot to offer. Your country has a very practical benefit-based policy.

[voyaka uh]

Greece is not a very rich country. And Israel usually sells weapons for
cash.
(Only with Italy there was a strange barter on the friendship between Natanyahu and Berlusconi. For training planes
- satellites and radars).

[OgnennyiKotik]

The Greeks have nowhere to go, the Turks are actively arming themselves, with the support of England. So they will pay, their own or borrowed, it's not a question of the seller.
It should also be borne in mind that Cyprus is under the British. Their bases took a bunch of cool places

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Your country has a very practical benefit-based policy.

Excuse me, but what about your country? It seems like internationalism has ended.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Excuse me, but what about your country?

For the personal benefit of the leader and his entourage.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

For the personal benefit of the leader and his entourage.

Well, Israel is far from that. Our leader just tried and immediately received four criminal cases.

[Thrifty]

Warrior, you must understand that the Turks and their leadership are different people. The sultan needs a sultanate, an empire, perhaps at the grave of one of the states of the region, for the sake of his desire he will go to peace with the shaitan himself, but this world is on blood. Don't let him build it on your blood either. ..

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Thrifty

Warrior, you must understand that the Turks and their leadership are different people.

You are right on 100%
In the pre-Erdoganav times, he rested in Turkey many times.
The Turks learned Hebrew and spoke with the words AH (brother) and the best memories remained.

[voyaka uh]

It is not profitable for Israel to quarrel with either Turkey or Greece.
The Arab Islamists and the Ayatollahs of Iran are enough for us.
But the situation does not depend on us. Countries have ambitions, appetites, and illusions.
Let's say there, the southeastern Mediterranean from Lebanon
before Egypt, Israel has to be kept under military control.
Until we make up with everyone.

[Petro_tut]

Until we make up with everyone

Do you really believe that?

[voyaka uh]

This is possible.
As soon as the regime of medieval ayatollahs in Iran falls
(and this is inevitable), then Iran will stop inciting Syria and Lebanon
against Israel. Hezbollah dies down without Iranian money.
Our relations with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have already improved.

[Nagaibak]

voyaka "Our relations with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have already improved."
I doubt it.))) If there is some kind of coalition against your country, they will be against your country anyway. They can be forced into peace for a time, by force of arms and nothing more. And the Turks are essentially an ally against Iran.))) And vice versa, Iran is an ally against Turkey. Otherwise it won't be there.)))

[voyaka uh]

The neighbors are used to Israel. We got used to its existence.
At first they had a shock: the new state emerged from scratch and
and for several decades it has become the main military
and the economic strength of the area.
The shock caused attempts to finish off the "stranger" with military force.
Several times it did not work out ... And gradually we reconciled.
This was once the case with Holland. The country originated in swamps
North Sea from scratch, and quickly developed into a strong, rich
state. Also - continuous attempts to capture.
Nothing .... The Netherlands exists. They live in peace with their neighbors.

[Nagaibak]

voyaka "The neighbors are used to Israel"
You are lucky you have weak neighbors.))) And it did not work. that there are many of them and they are vindictive.))) They keep the keys to their houses to this day. And do not care. that there are no houses for a long time. Don't be fooled.))) You don't live in Europe. Arabs are not Dutch.)))

[anjey]

Interestingly, can Russia be the key to stability in the Mediterranean? Historically, once it was and now, God forbid, it will be politically and politically creative with Turkey, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon and Iran and find its "golden mean", you can also tighten Israel, but there, the US influence is great and the military-political competition is the sharpest and most unpredictable ... Bulgaria and Greece for Russia are also not empty words in History. We need a big and mutually beneficial compromise ..

[atalef]

Quote: anjey

I wonder if Russia can be the key to stability in the Mediterranean?

how and by what forces?

Quote: anjey

We need a big and mutually beneficial compromise ..

with whom and on what?

[anjey]

Compromise ??? With you (Israel), on large-scale gas supplies to Europe But with Russia and its partners in BV. If it is differently, there is still no stability to be seen there, so much depends on your (Israel's) political intelligence.

[atalef]

Quote: anjey

But with Russia and its partners in the BV

and who are the partners?

[anjey]

If there were political will and economic benefits, you would find a common language with Iran, for example, the United States, the Saudi terrorists, who dropped two towers in front of the whole World, in New York in 2001, would not interfere with the Saudi terrorists, the KSA is a good partner of the United States to this day, and yours lately, too, but since your economy and the military-industrial complex are imprisoned for war, you constantly need an external enemy, even if it does not exist, you (Israel) will come up with it to cut Loot, well, the United States constantly maintains your economy in good shape , after all, the largest Jewish diaspora is there, behind a puddle. So the realization of coexistence with neighbors is peaceful, unfortunately it won't come to you for a long time, especially if you perceive Russia in the BV only as a competitor ..

[anjey]

I understand that for your pro-Western thinking and in the context of your propaganda, Russia is an outsider in almost everything, but you do not need to deceive yourself, neither you nor us, the GDP set a vector forward, we’ll wait and see and may be pleasantly surprised at the changes and alignment forces in the world

[atalef]

Quote: anjey

I understand that for your pro-Western thinking and in the context of your propaganda, Russia is an outsider in almost everything

with hell you decided so?

Quote: anjey

,GDP set the vector forward

well .
and what's ahead?

Quote: anjey

maybe we will be pleasantly surprised at the changes and balance of power in the world

Well, they started for health. and finished for the repose.

[anjey]

You shouldn’t laugh, Gaidar senior, a good writer, a patriot, and one can say without exaggeration a hero, went hand-to-hand with the Germans and died in battle. But what can you prove? IN.

[Tagan]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Look for who benefits from the anti-Turkish coalition. France, Israel, Egypt, possibly Great Britain. Yes, Erdogan interferes with many.

Yes, Erdogan can be envied for the speed at which he can breathe unevenly.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Tagan

Quote: OrangeBigg

Look for who benefits from the anti-Turkish coalition. France, Israel, Egypt, possibly Great Britain. Yes, Erdogan interferes with many.

Yes, Erdogan can be envied for the speed at which he can breathe unevenly.

That's good . Let it itch in different places at the same time. Not only for us to itch!

[Tagan]

Quote: Zaurbek

Which of them pays money? Greece is bankrupt. Jews are friends for money ...

Debts from the Greeks for several generations to come.

[Petro_tut]

Debts from the Greeks for several generations to come.

We do not need to worry about the Greeks, if anything, the American Greek community will help them with money to purchase weapons

[atalef]

Quote: Petro_tut

We do not need to worry about the Greeks, if anything, the American Greek community will help them with money to purchase weapons

the same was said about the Armenians

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Petro_tut

We do not need to worry about the Greeks, if anything, the American Greek community will help them with money to purchase weapons

the same was said about the Armenians

You are ahead of me in Greece, they remember the existence of the Greek diaspora around the world, but they don't really expect miracles. And what a sin to conceal, unlike you, we have not created serious institutions of interaction with the diaspora.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Bravo. And we will sit on the hill and see how many corpses float by on the river.

[Thrifty]

Gennady Fomkin - before you sit down more comfortably on the hill, make sure that someone is covering you from the back, otherwise you can swim along the river with a yatogan in your back. ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Friendship against Turkey: Israel and Greece expand military cooperation - long enough

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Thrifty

Gennady Fomkin - before you sit down more comfortably on the hill, make sure that someone is covering you from the back, otherwise you can swim along the river with a yatogan in your back. ...

Stop posting all sorts of crap. These squeals are right already pretty tired.

[Tank hard]

To a greater extent, the rapprochement of Athens and Israel is friendship against Turkey

The key here:

a military cooperation agreement with Greece in the amount of $ 1,68 billion,

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Tank Hard

The key here:
a military cooperation agreement with Greece in the amount of $ 1,68 billion,

Oh, I beg you! This is a trifle, mere pennies: $ 1,68 billion for 20 years.
Elbit has a backlog of about 12 billion greens, and the average quarterly profit last year was 1,1 billion.

[Tank hard]

Quote: A. Privalov

Oh, I beg you! It's a trifle, mere pennies:

Duc is ... Everyone knows one truth:

A penny a ruble protects

[Shahno]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Where does Israel get gas for Europe?

Have you heard of the Leviathan?

November 6, 2018
Israel signed an agreement with Greece, Italy and Cyprus to build the world's longest gas pipeline, Times of Israel reports.

They say it won't be enough. It is not really known yet ... But they are already talking.

[Gennady Fomkin]

https://globalaffairs.ru/issues/2011/5/ Интересная точка зрения ИЛТЕР ТУРАН
Professor of Political Science at Istanbul Bilgi University.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Dart2027

The best part is that Russia is out of business and will not fight for anyone.

Good. Only if war breaks out in this cauldron? And where will Russia be ... On whose side ..

At its

[A. Privalov]

Within the framework of the agreement, the Israeli defense concern Elbit will create and serve a pilot training school for the Greek Air Force.

In addition, the deal includes the delivery of 10 Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master supersonic training aircraft for advanced pilot training.

and the operation of Beechcraft T-6 Texan II training aircraft, (T-6 is not of Israeli production, but of Israeli processing with a file. )

supply of flight simulators, provision of supply and logistics.

Israeli Defense Minister Beni Gantz said that "the agreement reflects an excellent and continuing relationship with Greece, a partnership that serves the interests of both countries. to stabilize the Mediterranean region".

[Gennady Fomkin]

Why are "partners" and "friends" shaking their fists at each other? Understanding: The Cyprus Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is divided into 12 blocks and is potentially gas rich. In November last year, Cyprus issued its first operating licenses to three energy giants - Noble Energy, Shell and Delek.

These 25-year contracts allow for the 12 Aphrodite gas field discovered in Block 2011 south of the island.

Aphrodite's reserves are estimated at 127,4 billion cubic meters of gas. Nicosia, according to calculations by the Ministry of Energy, will receive about $ 9,3 billion over 18 years.

Italy's ENI and France's Total are also stepping up geological exploration in the western part of the shelf, in Block 6 in the Calypso area, which may contain from 170 to 225 billion m3 of gas.

Meanwhile, to the south, in Block 10, the American giant ExxonMobil and Qatar Petroleum announced the discovery in 2019 of the Glavk-1 field, which can produce 130 billion cubic meters of gas.
The Eastern Mediterranean has been “a haven for researchers in the last decade with giant cheap gas discoveries,” say Rystad Energy analysts Aditya Saraswat and Pranav Joshi.

In Israeli waters in January 2020, a local company, Delek, began exploiting the Leviathan field, located 130 kilometers off the coast of Haifa. Discovered a decade earlier, it is estimated to contain 539 billion m3 of natural gas.

The Tamar field, just 50 miles from Haifa, has been in operation since 2013 with reserves estimated at 238 billion m3. In addition, there are smaller deposits in Israel, including Tanin and Karish.

Neighboring Egypt also has a giant offshore field, the Zohr, discovered in August 2015 by ENI and potentially containing 850 billion cubic meters.
To transport this abundance of gas to Europe in order to reduce energy dependence on Russia, Cyprus, Greece and Israel entered into an agreement in December 2018 to build a gas pipeline dubbed East Med.

This 1367-mile pipeline is to pass 106 miles south of Cyprus and, after crossing the Greek island of Crete and mainland Greece, reach Otranto (southern Italy).

The construction cost is estimated at $ 7 billion, the throughput capacity is 20 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

However, the pipeline will have to be built for several more years: it will not be commissioned until 2025 (the earliest). Https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/gas-fields-and-tensions-in- the-eastern-mediterranean /. It is only clear that there are no frenzied fountains with space debit like in Yamal, everything else is still shrouded in darkness for the curious.

One could rummage through the works on paleontology and, after picking at the nose, try to search, but laziness. Let those who are paid for it do this.

[iouris]

What is it about? Greece is a NATO member. Where to further "expand cooperation"? Or is Israel preparing to fight a NATO member in alliance with a NATO member?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: iouris

Or is Israel preparing to fight a NATO member in alliance with a NATO member?

NATO is no longer a cake. Russia is not the USSR, and accordingly, with a decrease in fear of Russia, intra-European conflicts begin to escalate in Europe. The unifying factor of the common enemy is reduced.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: iouris

What is it about? Greece is a NATO member. Where to further "expand cooperation"? Or is Israel preparing to fight a NATO member in alliance with a NATO member?

to fight not to fight but to be friends with a NATO member against a NATO member is yes.
as the Romans said: Friends and rule.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Nobody hid the search for gas, since 2011 the Turks have ransacked their waters first with the help of Western campaigns, since 2017, having bought ships for research themselves. Found - said they found. It's ridiculous to think about selling to Europe, Turkey itself is hardly enough for 6-7 years, if it is still allowed to be dumped for a penny, it is better not to start development at all.
The same story with the S-400: no one put a knife to anyone's throat, the Turks announced their conditions at the tender, Russia agreed with them. This is not the first time I read this infantile whining. NATO, traitors everywhere, enemies everywhere ... The Turks bought the S-400 with a big scandal from the United States, falling under sanctions and exposing their economy to a serious blow, if you remember. It is not possible to expel the Turks from NATO, but you can quietly merge, creating a chain of conflicts around the perimeter and bringing down the economy, and this is what the Saudi-American gang is doing. And their favorite mongrels - the Greeks and Kurds with the French - help them, provoking. Turkey will be overthrown - Russia will lose access to the Mediterranean Sea. So an independent and strong player in the Straits is more profitable for us than the Greeks who willingly fall under the Americans. Although in Russia it is customary to consider the Turks as the primordial enemies, the enemies are not there. And the Turks are better than the pan-Arab world with ultra-Islam.

[Petro_tut]

Although in Russia it is customary to consider the Turks as the primordial enemies, the enemies are not there

the whole question has long been hampered by Turkey itself, since the 18th century Russia would like to have a strong friendly alliance and not fight, the last such opportunity was missed by Nicholas 2, when the Turks offered to side with Russia in WWI to guarantee the preservation of the Ottoman Empire, his desire to possess Constantinople then outweighed common sense, although there were no guarantees that the Turks after the war would not move somewhere else, the same was not

[Dart2027]

Quote: Petro_tut

the Turks offered to side with Russia in WWI to guarantee the preservation of the Ottoman Empire

What was it?

[Basarev]

It is high time to stop Turkey. Now, I hope, it will be possible to stop these inclinations ... Or maybe, what the jester does not draw, and completely expel the Turks from Cyprus. Cyprus is an exclusive zone of Christianity, there is no place for Islam, as well as for Asian Turkish faces in a civilized European society.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Basarev

It is high time to stop Turkey. Now, I hope, it will be possible to stop these inclinations ... Or maybe, what the jester does not draw, and completely expel the Turks from Cyprus. Cyprus is an exclusive zone of Christianity, there is no place for Islam, as well as for Asian Turkish faces in a civilized European society.

Organize a crusade? So they already had 1 crusade (1096 - 1099) 2 crusade (1147 - 1149) 3 crusade (1189 - 1192) 4 crusade (1202 - 1204) Children's campaign (1212) ) 5 crusade (1217 - 1221) 6 crusade (1228 - 1229) 7 crusade (1248 - 1254) "Yellow" campaign (1256 - 1261) 8 crusade (1270-1291)

Well, yes, unite in a crusade and burn someone at the stake).

[high]

Israel can afford to be friends with Turkey's enemy, Greece:
Israel entered the top 8 most powerful countries in the world (economy, influence in the political arena, military power, leadership in the world), leaving ahead: USA, Russia, China, Germany, Great Britain, France, Japan.
Aliyev seeks to "make friends" his allies, Turkey and Israel. After all, Turkish drones are made using Israeli technology ... but Azerbaijan itself rivets them, with the help of Israel ...

[Tagan]

Quote: Airdefense

Greece is so bankrupt that its GDP per capita is twice that of Russia.

Really? And how about debts?)))

[Tagan]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Zaurbek

After the collapse of the shipping industry, what is Greece producing? From manufactured goods?

Write out of envy?
Greeks coped with the crisis and reached the level of GDP 2 times higher than in Russia.

What is it, is it ?! Have you misled anything? Maybe twice as high as that of Ukraine?
Where and when did they manage?
It turns out, the Greeks bypassed the Britos too)))

[Tagan]

Quote: Airdefense

Greece is so bankrupt that its GDP per capita is twice that of Russia.

After your words, every Chinese should strangle himself, not like a Russian)))
Only this will not make the Greek economy closely comparable with the Russian and, moreover, with the Chinese.
Why didn't you remember that Greece's debt is almost two of its such excellent GDPs?
It's interesting, of course, when they try to compare a mouse with an elephant.

[Shahno]

Quote: atalef

Quote: anjey

But with Russia and its partners in the BV

and who are the partners?

Yes. Russia did not work out with partners in BV .. It is quite objective what to do.
Ps. The pro-Iranian rate has not played yet either, and the Turks are also bending their line.

[Shahno]

Quote: anjey

If there were political will and economic benefits, you would find a common language with Iran, for example, the United States, the Saudi terrorists, who dropped two towers in front of the whole World, in New York in 2001, would not interfere with the Saudi terrorists, the KSA is a good partner of the United States to this day, and yours lately, too, but since your economy and the military-industrial complex are imprisoned for war, you constantly need an external enemy, even if it does not exist, you (Israel) will come up with it to cut Loot, well, the United States constantly maintains your economy in good shape , after all, the largest Jewish diaspora is there, behind a puddle. So the realization of coexistence with neighbors is peaceful, unfortunately it won't come to you for a long time, especially if you perceive Russia in the BV only as a competitor ..

// need an external enemy //
And the Kremlin is such a special type and is not looking for an external enemy ... This is generally a common place in the politics of many states. So it's absurd to blame Israel for this .. which is really surrounded by Arab countries.

[Shahno]

Quote: Nagaibak

voyaka "Our relations with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have already improved."
I doubt it.))) If there is some kind of coalition against your country, they will be against your country anyway. They can be forced into peace for a time, by force of arms and nothing more. And the Turks are essentially an ally against Iran.))) And vice versa, Iran is an ally against Turkey. Otherwise it won't be there.)))

In fact, all Arab monarchies and regimes are too young for a leadership role; Iranians are simply outcasts. And the Turks, well, if not for Erdogan they had potential ..

[Shahno]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: shahor

Aplomb and fanfare you have no less than ignorance. It's a shame, dear!

It's time to know about your nationality, although you know perfectly well who the Galut Jews are. You are ashamed not to know. As well as who are the "Zionists" and "Territorialists". And for some reason, many of you believe that there was a Holocaust of Jews in WWII, but the Holocaust was in Europe, but not in other countries of the world. And so it is necessary to write - "the Holocaust of the Galut Jews."

I myself would not dare to appreciate the role of the "galyut" -link, exile. Although my great-great-grandfather in the time of Catherine was precisely a "galyut Jew". All this is complicated, but you are so bold, I do not think that this is necessary.