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The Japanese media asked who would win in the event of a "clash" between Japan and Russia over the South Kuriles.

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The Japanese media are once again discussing the topic of the South Kuriles, which, we recall, in Japan continue to be called the "northern territories". On the NV (Nicovideo) channel, an article was released on this topic under the following title: "If Japan and Russia clash over the northern territories, who will win?"


The article notes that for Japan and Russia the islands are "the subject of a long-term dispute." Here it is worth noting the well-known craftiness. The fact is that Russia does not even think to argue over the issue of the Southern Kuriles for the simple reason that there is simply no point in arguing with anyone about the ownership of its territories. Japan is trying to start controversy.

The article also examines the reasoning of the experts of the Hyakuto publication, which indicates that Russian human resources in the South Kuriles are very limited, as are military resources. On this basis, modeling of scenarios of possible collision due to islands is considered.

It is noted that if the Japanese authorities suddenly allow themselves a scenario of force in relation to the "northern territories", then for Japan it could end very badly. The author states that in this situation, Japan may, in addition, lose at least part of Hokkaido, since "Russian troops may land there."

From the material:

It is highly unlikely that Japan will be able to fully reclaim the northern territories. No matter how you lose Hokkaido in the event of a direct conflict. The very existence of such a probability indicates that a force scenario is unambiguously unacceptable in relation to the issue of the status of the islands.

The comments of Japanese readers to this material are also noteworthy. Here are some of them:

And why did they not consider the question that in the event of a threat to the islands, Russia could use a nuclear weapon?

For many in Japan, Russia is associated with something huge, strong and terrible. From such a position, it is somehow strange to talk about a power scenario.

I don't understand, does anyone want Japan to fight?

It seems that in your scenario modeling you are at least half a century behind, considering modern war to be a simple armed conflict between two countries on a separate territory.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 5 January 2021 11: 55
    +55
    The Japanese media asked who would win in the event of a "clash" between Japan and Russia over the South Kuriles.
    Radiation.
    1. Machito
      Machito 5 January 2021 12: 04
      +65
      Yapi are accustomed to radiation, the habit must be maintained with new doses.
      In response to Japan's claims to Russia over the Northern Territories, it is time for us to make counterclaims to the Southern Territories - Hokkaido, the land of the Ainu (original Russians occupied by the aggressive Nazis, the Japanese).
      Freedom for the Ainam !!!!
      1. Sayan
        Sayan 5 January 2021 12: 14
        +44
        Quote: Bearded
        Yapi are accustomed to radiation, the habit must be maintained with new doses.
        In response to Japan's claims to Russia over the Northern Territories, it is time for us to make counterclaims to the Southern Territories - Hokkaido, the land of the Ainu (original Russians occupied by the aggressive Nazis, the Japanese).
        Freedom for the Ainam !!!!

        To this I would add compensation for the 40 - year occupation of the southern part of Sakhalin and the genocide of the Russians in the territories they occupied.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 12: 41
          +19
          The Japanese like a thorn in the theme of "northern territories", to which they periodically return. And, as in any country and society, people in Japan are different, there are a lot of sane people. I had to meet, I know. Unlike politicians who always follow the lead of the State Department and local frostbitten nationalists yes

          And ideas about the liberation of the land of the Russian Ainu aborigines - Hokkaido - and the payment of compensation + compensation for the attack on Russia and the cost of getting in the teeth are good! laughing

          And La Perouse will become not a border, but a purely Russian strait, and the Sangar (Tsugaru) - border. Went past Hokkaido (a pretty island) and these straits more than once.
          1. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 5 January 2021 13: 40
            +5
            "Splinter" sits across the ocean. They also incite nationalists through the lured Japanese politicians. We have withdrawn SSBNs on combat alert, at the moment it is similar to an army operation. What will happen if some "smart politician" decides to give up the South Kuril Islands?
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 14: 05
              +4
              Quote: tatarin1972
              "Splinter" sits across the ocean. They also incite nationalists through the lured Japanese politicians. We have withdrawn SSBNs on combat alert, at the moment it is similar to an army operation. What will happen if some "smart politician" decides to give up the South Kuril Islands?

              Thank you for opening your eyes! Didn't know that SSBNs were being withdrawn across land with the help of the army! Although I know, as a former sailor, that the entry to the sea of ​​large ships always reliably provided fleet. yes

              As for the "smart politicians" who will give up the South Kuriles, you can sleep well: figures like Yeltsin and Navalny will never be in power in Russia again. And a law against this has been adopted in Russia. Maybe you heard? smile
              1. Revival
                Revival 6 January 2021 14: 37
                +1
                "figures like Yeltsin and Navalny will never be in power in Russia again."

                Do you think bulk will not be elected a second time?)

                And about the adopted law, well, of course, yes.
                If only they wouldn't accept another one with the same ease ...
              2. Sergey M. Karasev
                Sergey M. Karasev 7 January 2021 07: 11
                +3
                figures like Yeltsin and Navalny will never be in power in Russia again. And a law against this has been adopted in Russia. Maybe you heard? smile

                If in the Kremlin, God forbid, some kind of bulk sits down, he will be among the first to abolish this law.
                Merry Christmas, colleagues! hi drinks
            2. keeper03
              keeper03 6 January 2021 14: 15
              +2
              Yapam would not be bad, for a start, get rid of the American occupation, and then you can open the mitten. am
            3. Lynx2000
              Lynx2000 6 January 2021 15: 49
              0
              Quote: tatarin1972
              "Splinter" sits across the ocean. They also incite nationalists through the lured Japanese politicians. We have withdrawn SSBNs on combat alert, at the moment it is similar to an army operation. What will happen if some "smart politician" decides to give up the South Kuril Islands?

              "Strategists" go on alert from Kamchatka.
              The raid is closed.
              The Americans (APL) graze in the Avacha Bay.
          2. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 5 January 2021 14: 31
            +15

            Let them study these photos!
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 15: 51
              +1
              Volodya, good evening! Let them know and study carefully! If anything, we can bang out of a cannon from the Kholmsky Pass! lol
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 5 January 2021 15: 59
                +1
                Happy New Year !
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                from the gun

                It’s a pity he doesn’t get to Hokkaido!
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 16: 20
                  +2
                  Happy New Year!
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  It’s a pity he doesn’t get to Hokkaido!

                  And maybe he will! Now inventors are so smart! Maybe they can pick up some kind of rocket projectile! lol
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 5 January 2021 12: 20
        +10
        Strange fantasies still do not leave the samurai. Are they eager to start a new war? Two nuclear strikes on the country were not enough. Or the memory was cleaned well. About the past.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 5 January 2021 12: 40
          +22
          Well, that's the usual tabloid hype. The paper will endure everything. They will not fight, the Japanese will just wait and hope. The change of power in the Kremlin and the appearance of another "tagged"
          1. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET 6 January 2021 09: 57
            +1
            The power that now ONLY wanted to give two out of four islands for a small share)
            Only the greed and stupidity of Japanese politicians did not allow them to get two islands out of four right in 2020.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 January 2021 12: 48
          +4
          Quote: oleg-gr
          Two nuclear strikes on the country were not enough. Or the memory was cleaned well. About the past.
          It is highly unlikely that Japan will be able to fully reclaim the northern territories. No matter how you lose Hokkaido in the event of a direct conflict.
          If they want, they can lose.
        3. VORON538
          VORON538 5 January 2021 12: 55
          +7
          And why did they not consider the question that in the event of a threat to the islands, Russia could use nuclear weapons?(C)
          I believe that in such a case, the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense has developed appropriate plans up to a minute for EACH unit
          Because their screams are just their screams for the electorate
          own
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 5 January 2021 17: 02
            -3
            Quote: VORON538
            And why did they not consider the question that in the event of a threat to the islands, Russia could use nuclear weapons?(C)
            I believe that in such a case, the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense has developed appropriate plans up to a minute for EACH unit
            Because their screams are just their screams for the electorate
            own

            Curious, General Staff MO - what kind of office?
        4. figwam
          figwam 5 January 2021 13: 19
          +2
          I think the United States has a convenient chance to unleash a war at the same time in the Kuriles, in the outskirts, the Caucasus and in the Kaliningrad region.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 5 January 2021 15: 07
            +5
            I think in their own states the war will start sooner and maybe even tomorrow. Tomorrow is January 6, and Trump just called everyone on the 6th. fellow bully
            1. figwam
              figwam 5 January 2021 17: 50
              +5
              Quote: Ros 56
              and Trump just called everyone on the 6th.

              I would very much like the feast to be a success, but longer!
            2. Machito
              Machito 5 January 2021 18: 58
              +1
              Quote: Ros 56
              I think in their own states the war will start sooner and maybe even tomorrow. Tomorrow is January 6, and Trump just called everyone on the 6th. fellow bully

              We are waiting for tomorrow's Maidan in Washington. The popcorn is ready.
        5. alexmach
          alexmach 5 January 2021 13: 38
          +2
          Strange fantasies never leave the samurai

          What's so strange? Normal fantasies, declare the Sea of ​​Okhotsk international, and send the AUG there to ensure freedom of navigation. The most common fantasies, just not samurai by itself.
      3. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 January 2021 12: 41
        +5
        I fully support you, I here the other day handed out islands to the Chinese and Koreans. To solve the issue radically. Hokkaido with their monkeys, Russian territory, payment for the destruction of the Ains. Chinese Kyushu, for the Nanking massacre. And in every house a Japanese geisha !!! drinks good hi
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 5 January 2021 12: 56
          +10
          A Th, so it was possible ??? wassat
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 5 January 2021 12: 59
          +5
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And every house has a Japanese geisha !!! drinks good hi

          I support, but only young people ...
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 5 January 2021 13: 05
            +3
            Of course, the majority does not suffer from gerantology.
            1. Serega_Sibiryak
              Serega_Sibiryak 5 January 2021 19: 04
              0
              Gerantophilia
              1. Sergey M. Karasev
                Sergey M. Karasev 7 January 2021 07: 19
                +1
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Of course, the majority does not suffer from gerantology.

                Quote: Serega_Sibiryak
                Gerantophilia

                Then that's right, heroоntophilia.
                1. Serega_Sibiryak
                  Serega_Sibiryak 7 January 2021 09: 11
                  +1
                  Plusanul you
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 5 January 2021 14: 14
          +6
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And every house has a Japanese geisha !!!

          Well these gayshi for an amateur, well, them. No more beautiful than our women! And this is an indisputable fact!
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 5 January 2021 14: 41
            +2
            I support; for a geisha lover!
        4. Ugochaves
          Ugochaves 5 January 2021 15: 50
          +1
          I'm afraid you will be disappointed in Japanese geisha laughingunless they are wearing traditional Kabuki theater makeup belay
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 5 January 2021 16: 05
            0
            After Antwerp, when a little girl well over 60 winked at me from the window, you won’t scare me with anything! But I had to swing it pretty well!
      4. Growlers
        Growlers 5 January 2021 18: 12
        +2
        The Japanese are "accustomed" to radiation in the sense that they constantly monitor its radiation. In the event of even a slight increase in the radiation background, the Japanese immediately leave such a territory ... In Soviet times, the Japanese delegation arrived at the iron ore deposit. During the trip, Geiger's wrist counters suddenly sounded. The Japanese demanded to stop the trip.
      5. Captain45
        Captain45 5 January 2021 22: 28
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        Yapi are accustomed to radiation, the habit must be maintained with new doses.

        Kind of like a drug addict - the lack of a dose causes "withdrawal", when the state is depressed, everything hurts, all sorts of bad thoughts come to mind, you need to do something to get some money for a "dose". laughing
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 5 January 2021 12: 08
      +11
      Quote: Observer2014
      The Japanese media asked who would win in the event of a "clash" between Japan and Russia over the South Kuriles.
      Radiation.

      Moreover, the Japanese commentators are doing fine with logic ... they reason well, unlike politicians and journalists ..
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 January 2021 12: 17
        +11
        Judging by the article, Japanese journalists with logic and common sense are also doing well.
        ... It is highly unlikely that Japan will be able to fully reclaim the northern territories. No matter how you lose Hokkaido in the event of a direct conflict. The mere existence of such a probability suggests that a force scenario is unambiguously unacceptable with regard to the issue of the status of the islands.

        Another thing is that the thoughts from the Japanese article of the Japanese author are mixed with the statements of the author of the above article so that it is difficult to understand who they belong to, and what is taken from the original article, and what is added from oneself
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 5 January 2021 12: 57
        +4
        Many citizens of states who, at the time of their speeches, are not in the civil service, reason reasonably hi
    3. Andre___86
      Andre___86 5 January 2021 12: 40
      -1
      I would not be so categorical. I'm not sure that nuclear weapons will be used. Everything is quite complicated in the political leadership of the country, there are many things, but that will not allow taking this step.
      The most probable scenario (without taking into account the direct intervention of 3 countries), given the frankly weak Pacific Fleet in relation to the Japanese fleet, a new Tsushima awaits us and the occupation of the Kuriles and Sakhalin in a short-term perspective. In the second phase, with a competent redistribution of resources and the mobilization of armed forces from the European direction - the liberation of a part of the Kuriles and Sakhalin with heavy fighting (for there is no fleet and landing ships).
      A difficult stalemate for the Russian Federation and Japan, associated with large losses. As long as the Japanese do not ignore the missile armament of the Russian Federation, they will not dare to openly confront. IMHO
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 5 January 2021 12: 45
        +1
        The Japanese media asked who would win in the event of a "clash" between Japan and Russia over the South Kuriles.
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 5 January 2021 13: 59
        +3
        Well, you know better from Belarus :))) The commentators who, living in other countries WESTERN Russia, talk about what is happening in the RUSSIAN FAR EAST, are always touched! APR :))) Holidays are over, Belarus, it's time to come to your senses!
        1. Andre___86
          Andre___86 5 January 2021 16: 17
          +1
          Imagine, by virtue of my profession, I am in Perm, Solikamsk, Kaliningrad, Sochi, Rostov, Vladivostok, Blagoveshinsk, Norilsk, Moscow. As if I can compare and have a head on my shoulders. By the way, I don't divide the people into Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians)))))
        2. Andre___86
          Andre___86 5 January 2021 16: 20
          0
          And on the subject of the Russian Federation is not ready to fight with conventional weapons for the islands.
          1. The Pacific Fleet is extremely small.
          2. There is no naval, namely naval, aviation.
          3. Traditionally weaker and outdated weapons in the Far East, relative to the western direction.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 January 2021 17: 28
        0
        Russia has tactical nuclear weapons - and it will be used if something happens.
        1. swzero
          swzero 5 January 2021 23: 52
          -1
          The states can roll out an ultimatum, with threats to use Yao in response - they will find reasons. And the world community will support them. The usual weapon for us to fight will be sour - Toph in a deplorable state. And we will have a dilemma to start a nuclear war with the states, which we lose at times by the number of carriers, or to fight back with an ordinary weapon. An even worse scenario - we hit Japan with Yao, the states inflict a disarming blow at us - after that, the remnants of the missile forces do not pose a serious threat. And if, in addition to Japan, Poland, the outskirts and the Baltic States with Georgia pile up? Yao for them too? Near your borders? Are there enough charges for everyone? And what else is left for the states? In general, everything seems sour. One hope is that China will help, then there is a chance to get away without yao. But the states firmly hold the Chinese by the wallet.
      4. Serega_Sibiryak
        Serega_Sibiryak 5 January 2021 19: 10
        0
        I dare to assume that tactical nuclear weapons will be used. Why do I think so - the occupation of at least a part of smokers will lead to an exacerbation of contradictions within the country that is threatening for our government, and the issue of regime change will stand squarely. Well, the neighbors will have a hand at seeing such weakness.
        Therefore, the Yapas will not climb. They know that they are going to be bullied right away.
      5. albert
        albert 5 January 2021 21: 26
        +2
        Quote: Andre___86
        I'm not sure that nuclear weapons will be used.

        And really, why? You can hit Japanese nuclear power plants with conventional missiles, and the result will be the same.
      6. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 6 January 2021 03: 49
        +2
        Quote: Andre___86
        for there is no fleet and landing ships

        And who told you that only landing ships are used for the landing? Have you been told about how civilian ships are being converted? There is such a thing as mobilization preparation for certain periods! ))) wink
        1. Andre___86
          Andre___86 6 January 2021 08: 23
          -2
          Aha, private traders will give you ships. They will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and hang the Bermuda flag.
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 5 January 2021 13: 13
      +1
      And on what will we land on the islands, according to the author? We have pain-born udk, but no air cover, no anti-submarine aviation, they will be drowned
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 5 January 2021 14: 02
        -4
        We have Tu-95s in the neighboring area, which periodically fly near Japan, although the range of their CD is quite enough not to even enter the Khabarovsk Territory, they will simply turn over the Amurka! :))) And you certainly will not land Or have you already dug up the sea for the fleet? You are not from Russia :)))
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 5 January 2021 14: 13
          -1
          Quote: VORON538
          We have Tu-95s in the neighboring area, which periodically fly near Japan, although the range of their CD is quite enough not to even enter the Khabarovsk Territory, they will simply turn over the Amurka! :))) And you certainly will not land Or have you already dug up the sea for the fleet? You are not from Russia :)))

          I am from Beirut, hereditary Arab.
          And how the 95 will protect the landing? Why did you even mention them? Let's talk about the cultivation of earthworms then, it will be the same in the topic as the cover of the udk tu 95 ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 5 January 2021 15: 38
            +4
            Quote: Vol4ara
            I am from Beirut, hereditary Arab.
            And how the 95 will protect the landing? Why did you even mention them? Let's talk about the cultivation of earthworms then, it will be the same in the topic as the cover of the udk tu 95 ...

            Thanks for the quality comment, it was funny good laughing drinks
          2. VORON538
            VORON538 5 January 2021 21: 58
            +1
            Not long ago there were a lot of daughters of officers from Crimea :))) I guess you are the same "hereditary Arab" from Beirut :)))
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 6 January 2021 09: 56
              -3
              Quote: VORON538
              Not long ago there were a lot of daughters of officers from Crimea :))) I guess you are the same "hereditary Arab" from Beirut :)))

              Daughters of officers and Arabs come and go, and couch balabols and demagogues are permanent residents in ... And the resource began very well ... It's a pity
      2. Maikcg
        Maikcg 5 January 2021 16: 49
        +1
        Why land on the Japanese islands? Break up Tokyo into vitrified rubble and adyu, let them come to their senses on their own.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 5 January 2021 17: 01
          -2
          Quote: MaikCG
          Why land on the Japanese islands? Break up Tokyo into vitrified rubble and adyu, let them come to their senses on their own.

          Well, the author talks about the landing ... ask him
    5. Grits
      Grits 5 January 2021 13: 22
      +6
      Quote: Observer2014
      Radiation.

      And not from Russian nuclear weapons, but from Japanese nuclear power plants
    6. Maz
      Maz 5 January 2021 13: 56
      -2
      In the event of such a collision, the United States will win.
      1. kit88
        kit88 5 January 2021 15: 31
        +11
        Comrade Xi pondered:
        - Why the USA?
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 5 January 2021 17: 16
        0
        Quote: Maz
        In the event of such a collision, the United States will win.

        Well, that's how they encourage the Japanese.
    7. three
      three 5 January 2021 15: 47
      0
      namely, the five factors of a nuclear explosion.
    8. Ml. Sergeant
      Ml. Sergeant 6 January 2021 00: 45
      +1
      Tooting
  2. iouris
    iouris 5 January 2021 11: 59
    +5
    Quote: "... if the Japanese authorities suddenly allow themselves a power scenario in relation to the" northern territories ", then for Japan it could end very badly." End of quote.
    If the Japanese authorities dare to discuss such scenarios, then Russia has been "leaving the fair" for a long time.
  3. faiver
    faiver 5 January 2021 12: 01
    +6
    And why did they not consider the question that in the event of a threat to the islands, Russia could use nuclear weapons?
    - it is not even necessary to use it, with the same calibers on Japanese nuclear power plants to bang and bustle
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 5 January 2021 12: 18
      +7
      Quote: faiver
      it is not even necessary to use it, with the same calibers on Japanese nuclear power plants to bang and bustle

      Modern nuclear charges, due to their high design perfection and optimal response coefficient of fissile elements, are quite "clean" and do not entail large-scale and long-term radioactive contamination of the terrain in case of application. In the event of a strike on a nuclear power plant that could lead to a core ejection, the consequences could be catastrophic not only for Japan, but also for the Russian Far East.
      1. faiver
        faiver 5 January 2021 12: 43
        +2
        of course, you must take into account the current map and the wind rose ...
      2. saigon
        saigon 5 January 2021 12: 46
        +4
        For all their multiplicity, millions of descendants of the gods (and how else they are descendants of the gods in Japanese mythology and not all other people) are a handful of children of Japanese gods in extremely limited areas.
        So it turns out that on the Japanese islands there are mainly mountains for life and clustering an extremely uncomfortable place, therefore, there is no point in hitting the nuclear power plant.
        It is enough to strike in the lowland area where Tokyo is located.
      3. Avior
        Avior 5 January 2021 18: 07
        0
        Not to mention the fact that strikes on nuclear power plants are not a good idea, since there are such plants in Russia.
        I'm sure no one will shoot at them
        Nuclear weapons will not be used either, this will free the hands of many countries to develop them.
  4. sleeve
    sleeve 5 January 2021 12: 03
    +11
    I look sensible Japanese is available. Until...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 5 January 2021 12: 09
      +5
      Due to a small tsunami, the nuclear power plant in Fukushima is still poisoning everything around.
      So the Japanese are in the subject and cheerfulness. They understand that it makes no sense to rock the boat.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 January 2021 12: 50
      0
      Quote: sleeve
      I look sensible Japanese is available. Until...

      .... not everyone.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 5 January 2021 12: 04
    +3
    To involve myself in a war with Russia over the ridge of islands, with incomprehensible results for Japan itself. Something I cannot imagine such a conflict
    1. Andre___86
      Andre___86 5 January 2021 12: 42
      +4
      The problem is not in the islands, but in the shelf. Plus, the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation opens up (a strategic benefit for the United States)
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 5 January 2021 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: Andre___86
        The problem is not in the islands, but in the shelf. Plus, the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation opens up (a strategic benefit for the United States)

        Yes, it is clear that the Americans want to kindle the conflict with Japanese hands, but this could end badly for Japan as a nation
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 5 January 2021 17: 21
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Andre___86
          The problem is not in the islands, but in the shelf. Plus, the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation opens up (a strategic benefit for the United States)

          Yes, it is clear that the Americans want to kindle the conflict with Japanese hands, but this could end badly for Japan as a nation

          The sheriff does not care about the problems of the Indians (c).
      2. Avior
        Avior 5 January 2021 18: 08
        -1
        Look at the map, this is not an inland sea, one of its shores is Japanese
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 January 2021 12: 07
    +7
    Without nuclear weapons, the Russian Federation has little manpower and resources. And in the conditions of the conditional "90s" under the pressure of the "World community", nuclear weapons may not dare to use in a non-nuclear conflict ... And it should be borne in mind that the US fleet may not directly participate in this matter, but it can be very helpful with AWACS, PLO aircraft , resources and create tensions for the Russian Federation in other places of the border (in Transdistria and Donbass and Kaliningrad) ... and exacerbate some unrest within the country. And they will definitely help with some sanctions such as disconnecting from SWIFT and the blockade of our oil products. .... And the leadership of the Russian Federation will scratch their heads (and we must understand that our pseudo elite (their moneybags) will put pressure on them) to use nuclear weapons or not.


    Nobody will go straight to take away the Kurils.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 5 January 2021 12: 15
      +3
      There is such a topic. There is also experience in exercises with a sharp increase in theater operations. Neither side has a chance of walking. But the "main prize" is still not Japanese. Conventional war only one on one. And there are so many alien bases that it is for a couple of days, if not less. And then redrawing the map. Well, a vigorous dawn. Since these dances are fully included in our doctrine. Here the main thing for NATO is to have time to shout that they are neutral. Without crazy, of course. Well, how will it take out about the global exchange from crazy.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 5 January 2021 12: 57
        0
        The whole point is that the main impact on the Kuril Islands was led by a non-nuclear state ..... against which it is ugly to use nuclear weapons. Plus, the territories there are not particularly populated.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 January 2021 12: 27
      +8
      Quote: Zaurbek
      type of disconnection from SWIFT and the blockade of our oil products.


      The chances that the "Swift will be disabled" is an order of magnitude greater just if TNW is not used ..
      1. Grits
        Grits 5 January 2021 13: 33
        0
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        The chances that the "Swift will be disabled" is an order of magnitude greater just if TNW is not used ..

        In-in. When the uncle-disconnector, who stands at the switch of this SWIFT, is explained in an accessible way that the next approach of nuclear weapons will be applied precisely to his head, then the uncle will immediately quickly return the handle of the switch back
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 5 January 2021 17: 43
          -1
          You are mistaken ... only the Russian debts, investments in the Russian Federation and the energy market ...
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 5 January 2021 12: 28
      0
      Without nuclear weapons, the Russian Federation has little manpower and resources.

      The Japanese islands are one large cluster of strategically important targets .. There, in order not to get into something critically needed, you have to bomb right on the dome of Fujiyama .. The population lives too densely and too urbanistically. Even strikes by conventional means will inevitably lead to catastrophic consequences .. I am already silent about the naval blockade, or at least its threat - they will last at least a couple of days without a lift?
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 5 January 2021 12: 55
        +4
        You are going to arrange a naval blockade.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 5 January 2021 12: 58
          +2
          By the forces of progressive diplomacy.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 5 January 2021 13: 35
          -3
          Well - we do have something underwater at the TF. As well as a flying one .. This means that insurance for freight will skyrocket, so maybe you won't even have to drown anyone too ..
          1. Pechkin
            Pechkin 5 January 2021 14: 05
            -1
            That's exactly what, there is something. You saw the number of anti-submarine aircraft in the Japanese Navy. How many new diesel submarines we have there, as many as 2 new Varshavyanka. Or a couple of fresh Boreys will arrange an underwater blockade. They also have flying ones, some F-15Js. 150 pieces. You would at least have looked at the composition of the Japanese fleet before writing about the naval blockade, if the bloc is not with them.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 5 January 2021 14: 22
              -1
              And where does this? Insurers will assess the risk of losses during the conduct of hostilities, and they are largely up to the pager how many anti-submarine japa are there. They will immediately inflate the price tag, and if it does turn out to drown at least one of the transports - so generally to heaven. And the carriage - they will rise in gold. Despite all the PLO. Read at least how it happened in the Russian-Japanese period, on the actions of Russian cruisers and their consequences .. Now nothing has changed.
              1. Pechkin
                Pechkin 5 January 2021 15: 01
                -1
                Well, as a result of the war, who won. Japan died from the blockade of the Russian fleet (it was ruined by insurers). How the British and Americans fought with the Germans in the Atlantic, I don’t know. Liberty’s transport insurance probably cost a couple of billion dollars.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 5 January 2021 16: 18
                  0
                  If the tsar had not surrendered, Japan would have crawled across the block. Read what happened to her finances at that time. It was just that the then guarantor got it.

                  As for the Atlantic - well, you give .. Whose insurers? Who would give them price tags to inflate on their own steamers? And then - yes, the insurance was really very solid, and this played an important role in the post-war collapse of England. But these were the two main financial centers of the world, they could afford it, but Japan? Oh, I don’t think ... Besides, the military costs were partially covered by ripping off the defeated, do you think that Japan will get indemnity from the Russian Federation?
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 January 2021 17: 35
              0
              On the other hand, our strategic aviation can deliver more than 800 cruise missiles to Japan during the first raid, and the Pacific Fleet has an anti-ship missile with nuclear warheads in its arsenal.
      2. Grits
        Grits 5 January 2021 13: 35
        -1
        Quote: paul3390
        The population lives too densely and too urbanistically. Even strikes with quite conventional means will inevitably lead to catastrophic consequences.

        Total chaos will complete what we started
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 5 January 2021 12: 51
      -1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Nobody will go straight to take away the Kurils.

      And they won't go to "acute" either.
      Japs will whine and bargain, tempting our "elites" with gingerbreads. But only the amendments to the Constitution prohibit the sale of territories. The demarcation here will not work unambiguously.
      Now (according to plans for 2021) the Japans have started a gimmick with a revision of the status of amer bases on their territory.
      In general, the issue of the islands should be linked to an attempt to revise the results of WWII. If the amas shrink in this matter, then it will be difficult for us alone to defend the results of the surrender of militaristic Japan.
      Where are the "variations" possible? It seems to me that the Russian Federation can return the "fragments" near northern Hokkaido, attached after the surrender of Japan on 2.08. 1945, but leaving behind Kunashir, Shikotan and Iturup ... and then close the issue with the "northern territories".
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 January 2021 12: 51
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Nobody will go straight to take away the Kurils.

      And Japan has a lot to lose.
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 January 2021 17: 32
      -1
      "And they will certainly help with some kind of sanctions, such as disconnecting from SWIFT and the blockade of our oil products." This is unrealistic to do.
    7. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 6 January 2021 03: 58
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      some sanctions such as disconnecting from SWIFT and the blockade of our oil products.

      Disconnection from SWIFT is worse only for amers, money cannot be withdrawn from Russia, as for the financial system of the Russian Federation, it is on the drum, we and China have an analogue. It is impossible to refuse from our oil products, due to the fact that part of the processing is specifically designed for heavy oil, and while the Americans themselves have disconnected themselves from sources other than Russia, they will not "shoot in the foot")))
      All the "clowning" of the United States is carried out exclusively by someone else's hands, with a competent answer, they are also in the red)))
  7. Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 January 2021 12: 09
    0
    Fish, crabs and other ocean inhabitants will win. Like a whole island for food.
  8. Indifferent
    Indifferent 5 January 2021 12: 12
    +2
    It is good that they have not yet forgotten the fate of the Kwantung Army.
  9. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 5 January 2021 12: 13
    +3
    the power scenario is not in favor of Japan ... based on the fact that the country is completely destroyed by the strike of one regiment of heavy missiles (15A18M), given its elongated island territory and the crowded population in megacities ... in general, the reasoning itself is to maintain internal courage ... but everything is like -that's not serious from the point of view of military operations ...
    1. saigon
      saigon 5 January 2021 12: 50
      0
      Crowdedness in megacities stems from the topography of the country, mountains, you know.
  10. Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 January 2021 12: 13
    0
    Even what is now installed on the islands can lead to large losses for any attacker. And help will fly up within a day, if not faster. No, samurai, you shouldn't go there with a gun, even a sawed-down fly won't help.
  11. Russian2020
    Russian2020 5 January 2021 12: 15
    -1
    Nuclear bomb
  12. YOUR
    YOUR 5 January 2021 12: 22
    -1
    The topic is too scanty.
    The outfit of forces and means has not been disclosed. From what and why such a conclusion was made.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 January 2021 12: 34
      +1
      https://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=2099
      https://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=2124
      Here we slightly discussed the topic of the Japanese invasion until I was banned there forever ... wassat
      1. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 6 January 2021 10: 27
        -4
        A primitive Zatupinsky resource, there is a total of brains for one orderly at the general. To read fabrications there as Eref defeated everyone is not to respect yourself.
        Technically, without the impact of nuclear weapons on the island in the event of their capture by Japan, there is no chance of returning. The current leadership will never dare to strike nuclear weapons, the same consequences will no longer be a dud, as in 2014, but they will seriously take away everything stolen
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 10: 39
          0
          Quote: Michael HORNET
          A primitive Zatupinsky resource, there is a total of brains for one orderly at the general. To read fabrications there as Eref defeated everyone is not to respect yourself.

          Are you not capable of barking anything else? Not surprising! Why didn't you write about the rotten Rashka?

          The current leadership will never dare to strike nuclear weapons, the same consequences will no longer be a dud, as in 2014, but they will seriously take away everything stolen

          It's bad that you have no brains. It has already decided on such that there is no turning back. And yes, they will really take it away, if nothing is done, yes.
  13. ILIA
    ILIA 5 January 2021 12: 25
    0
    Whinnying)))))))
  14. seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 5 January 2021 12: 25
    0
    Nuclear torpedoes.
  15. Sergo go
    Sergo go 5 January 2021 12: 31
    -3
    it is easier for officials to buy, showered with gold / diamonds than to pay for a military campaign, banzai shouts in the past
  16. bar
    bar 5 January 2021 12: 33
    +2
    After discussing the delusional media of country 404, it's time to discuss the equally delusional media of brothers in mind. There is nothing more to talk about? Shrink ...
  17. parusnik
    parusnik 5 January 2021 12: 33
    +6
    The comments of ordinary Japanese are encouraging.
    1. Sergo go
      Sergo go 5 January 2021 17: 53
      +1
      the author selects convenient comments
  18. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 5 January 2021 12: 56
    -6
    Well, there is a very difficult predictable outcome. If without nuclear weapons, then Russia has no chance of having an advantage in the Navy, namely, they will play a colossal key role. Our fleet is simply blocked and destroyed with high-precision strikes. Minami is blocking communications. The islands' air defense ammunition is simply knocked out by insignificant targets. With the landing, the Japs have all the rules. Aviation bases nearby. Help from the US is provided by both resources and technology and intelligence. The international community will naturally hit the sanctions. The use of nuclear weapons by us automatically makes us outcasts. Strategically, we lost the Kuriles long ago.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 January 2021 13: 17
      +4
      Quote: lopuhan2006
      The use of nuclear weapons by us automatically makes us outcasts.


      Exactly the opposite.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 5 January 2021 13: 33
      0
      Quote: lopuhan2006
      If without nuclear weapons, then Russia has no chance

      What if people with disabilities are recruited into the Russian army? wassat
      fool Especially for those "concerned" about the presence of nuclear weapons in the Russian Federation:
      https://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/74105990/
      9. Nuclear deterrence is aimed at ensuring that the potential adversary understands the inevitability of retaliation in case of aggression against the Russian Federation and / or her allies.

      In addition, there is:
      17. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.

      Therefore, all assumptions and fantasies are regarding:
      "If yes if only"
      Not appropriate here!
    3. Grits
      Grits 5 January 2021 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: lopuhan2006
      Our fleet is simply blocked and destroyed with high-precision strikes. Minami is blocking communications. The islands' air defense ammunition is simply knocked out by insignificant targets. With the landing, the Japs have all the rules. Aviation bases nearby. Help from the US is provided by both resources and technology and intelligence. The international community will naturally hit the sanctions. The use of nuclear weapons by us automatically makes us outcasts. Strategically, we lost the Kuriles long ago.

      Imagine yourself in the shoes of a Japanese officer who has captured the coveted Kuriles. And it's easy.
      No sooner had you had time to drink sake to the success of the business, as you are informed that something unimaginable is happening in your homeland. Russian ships did not even go out to sea, and nuclear power plants explode on their home side. There is no electricity in megalopolises. Sewerage and water supply is not working. Transport stopped, shops don't work, payment systems don't work. Rubbish and sewage are not taken out and flooded the cities. Outbreaks of dangerous diseases are recorded, but there is no electricity in hospitals. The life support of the population is completely disrupted. There is no connection. There is complete chaos in Japanese cities. Oil and gas storages are burning and there is not enough energy to extinguish them.
      There will be no help in the form of personnel, food, ammunition, because Russian bombers and missile carriers are pounding in ports and there is no way to make shipment. But the command asks to hold on to the successfully captured islands.
      What is it like?
      1. lopuhan2006
        lopuhan2006 6 January 2021 16: 52
        0
        You are in reality ORT and Russia1. Russia has no more than two hundred significant objects in the Far East, and all of them are within a couple of dozen urban conglomerates. For those who know and understand, unlike you, this is enough to understand the vulnerabilities of Russia. I don't even include the United States and other tame dogs, but we have no allies. And in the event of a conflict with Japan, the same China will think what to do and this is not helping us, I assure you. Read about geopolitics, maybe it will help (I doubt it). The use of tactical nuclear weapons with an automatic machine puts us against the whole world. And if there is a conflict with Japan, it will be at the suggestion of the United States, but kind of like the initiative of Japan. It’s just that social tension there has not reached critical mass. And you there you bring me some scribbles from the articles. For a long time in this country has not paid attention to K. Our pensions were swallowed and no one made a noise and the police instead of the police))) Does the word police mean anything to you? Whom do the police protect? That's right, citizens, and who is the police? Correctly, the regime, capital, power. Am I wrong about something? Correct!
        1. Grits
          Grits 8 January 2021 13: 16
          0
          Quote: lopuhan2006
          You are in reality ORT and Russia1

          I am in the reality of living directly in the Far East, therefore, perhaps I know the situation better than you about the objects in the Far East. By the way, I described this scenario without using nuclear weapons.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 5 January 2021 12: 58
    0
    Declare war on Russia in the morning and make hara-kiri by lunchtime laughing
  20. Poetry
    Poetry 5 January 2021 13: 00
    -4
    Japanese macaque against the Russian bear. Guess in three tries: who will win?
  21. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 5 January 2021 13: 08
    0
    Well Port Arthur, they squeezed it! Not without the help of Bits! Therefore, the first missile, during the war on the Kuril Islands, was not in Tokyo, but in Lono-Don!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 5 January 2021 17: 39
      -1
      Quote: Sasha from Uralmash
      Well Port Arthur, they squeezed it! Not without the help of Bits! Therefore, the first missile, during the war on the Kuril Islands, was not in Tokyo, but in Lono-Don!

      Hands off Lon-na-Donu! This is a primordially Russian city temporarily occupied by the local population! laughing Greetings to Uralmash from Krasnolesie! drinks
  22. tuts
    tuts 5 January 2021 13: 18
    -1
    The war has already been modeled on foreign resources
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 January 2021 10: 26
      -1
      They investigated the scenario "Can Russia, if it wants, take over Japan." It is not clear why we need this ... But the fact is that, although Japan has a strong fleet with an air force, it will not be able to withstand the attacks of cruise and ballistic missiles. But the most important question is "Will Japan be able to take the islands by force?" poorly considered. That is, at first they can, but then the attackers, and Hokkaido, and Japan itself will get it. And when the strategists fly up a second time, there will be complete hell.
  23. anjey
    anjey 5 January 2021 13: 20
    +1
    Japan is trying to start controversy.
    And this is an ambiguous and contradictory dispute for the whole World, this is the same if Germany began to enter into disputes with Poland over Silesia, the Japanese do not paint themselves and their intellect at all, with such empty claims laughing ...
    1. anjey
      anjey 5 January 2021 13: 47
      0
      It is clear that these claims are encouraged by the US State Department, without them the Japanese would have sat quietly and would not croak in our direction.
  24. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 13: 39
    -2
    = It seems that in your modeling of scenarios you are at least half a century behind, considering modern war to be a simple armed conflict between two countries on a separate territory. =
    The most sensible comment.
  25. Jager
    Jager 5 January 2021 14: 06
    0
    In the dispute over the Kuriles, the Strategic Missile Forces will win))
  26. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 5 January 2021 14: 08
    -5
    a piece was released under the following title: "If Japan and Russia clash over the northern territories, who will win?"


    Are they just kidding, asking such questions? laughing

    Have you forgotten about the Manchurian strategic offensive operation, when Russian soldiers in less than two weeks tore the narrow-film films into trash?
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 5 January 2021 14: 13
      0
      Probably love to remember Port Arthur and Tsushima.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 5 January 2021 17: 53
      -4
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      a piece was released under the following title: "If Japan and Russia clash over the northern territories, who will win?"


      Are they just kidding, asking such questions? laughing

      Have you forgotten about the Manchurian strategic offensive operation, when Russian soldiers in less than two weeks tore the narrow-film films into trash?

      They were Soviet soldiers, if anything. My father, a Pole, had a medal "For the victory over Japan". Will you order it to be handed over? He's not Russian. But now there are no Russians either - Russians who still will not plunder the Soviet (!) Legacy. Have the Russians already carried out many strategic offensive operations? Tell the ignorant. I’ll laugh. laughing drinks
      1. Serega_Sibiryak
        Serega_Sibiryak 5 January 2021 20: 25
        -2
        Russians were, are and will be. What does a descendant of a Soviet Pole care about Russian strategic offensive operations? Are you afraid that Poland will be divided again?
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 6 January 2021 18: 16
          +1
          Quote: Serega_Sibiryak
          Russians were, are and will be. What does a descendant of a Soviet Pole care about Russian strategic offensive operations? Are you afraid that Poland will be divided again?

          A descendant of a Soviet Pole and the son of a Soviet officer who went through 3 wars, he himself gave a fair amount of years to the Soviet army. So tell me about the strategic operations of the RF Armed Forces over the past 30 years or so, by .... chatting? On Poland, in general, I sneeze. I live here.
          1. Serega_Sibiryak
            Serega_Sibiryak 6 January 2021 19: 08
            -1
            Please understand, but I have nothing to talk about with the Soviets to the core. Calling yourself Soviet, knowing the roots of your Family, means voluntarily giving up your Family and the history of your family name and national identity too. It's the same as calling yourself a Sleepwalker when flying to the moon for permanent residence from Russia or France.

            My family has a glorious history of the military, but even under the Empire and under the Soviets, they called themselves Russians.

            Tell me about what you did / created / built / defeated / implemented, etc. The USSR is not needed. I am critical of the history of the Fatherland. I just don't understand those who voluntarily renounce their identity.

            And yet, at that time everyone from the Union was called Russians.

            I wish you all the best and a peaceful sky over your head!
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 10: 46
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        Have the Russians already carried out many strategic offensive operations?


        The Russian army has actually fought lately, but this cannot be said about the Japanese, not to mention the most complex amphibious assault operation on the coast protected by the troops, in the zone of operation of the enemy's air force.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 6 January 2021 18: 31
          0
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Quote: Doliva63
          Have the Russians already carried out many strategic offensive operations?


          The Russian army has actually fought lately, but this cannot be said about the Japanese, not to mention the most complex amphibious assault operation on the coast protected by the troops, in the zone of operation of the enemy's air force.

          Are you aware of the provision of Russian troops with landing craft? They are not there. How the Russian army fought in recent years, I am aware from the words of the participants. You do not confuse Japan with Georgia. They did not have a chance with the Union. And now it's different. I suspect that Putin is aware, so there will be no war laughing drinks
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 20: 37
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            Are you aware of the provision of Russian troops with landing craft? They are not there.

            I do not understand why you are rearranging it upside down. This is not our problem for Japan. And by the way, for the sake of interest, get acquainted with the landing forces of Japan - a lot of new things will open.
            Quote: Doliva63
            How the Russian army fought in recent years, I am aware from the words of the participants.

            I also know. And I have no illusions. There is one thing here. Russia has been fighting for the last 40 years continuously, almost albeit locally. Japan did not fight from the word at all after 1945
            Quote: Doliva63
            You do not confuse Japan with Georgia.

            Why do you think that Japan is better than Georgia? Well, yes, there are a lot of toys ...
            Quote: Doliva63
            They did not have a chance with the Union.

            It is not much better now.
            Quote: Doliva63
            so there will be no war

            It won't, but not because you think so, but because there is no chance
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 7 January 2021 18: 40
              0
              You are delusional. Where has the Russian Federation been fighting continuously for 40 years? How does she fight? With whom? How did the 0808 war start? Or do you think a lot has changed? Yes, not at all. "Party policy" is the same. In his youth, he went around the district as an assistant - such bedlam was impossible to imagine. The hope of Putin / RF is that no one will kick them hard. Well, like, brothers capitalists laughing And neither the army nor the economy can withstand a really big war. Stupid patriotism, sorry.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 7 January 2021 20: 08
                -1
                Quote: Doliva63
                You are raving.


                Only you are raving here ...

                Quote: Doliva63
                And neither the army nor the economy can withstand a really big war. Stupid patriotism, sorry.


                This is you, purely due to illiteracy, complete
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 7 January 2021 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Cyril G ...
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  You are raving.


                  Only you are raving here ...

                  Quote: Doliva63
                  And neither the army nor the economy can withstand a really big war. Stupid patriotism, sorry.


                  This is you, purely due to illiteracy, complete

                  And you - because there is nothing to argue. And who looks dumber? laughing I have experience of serving in the Land Forces, Air Force, Strategic Missile Forces and "combat support units" I have something to compare, and you? Do not offer TV!
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 8 January 2021 10: 35
                    -2
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    And who looks dumber?


                    Of course, you just tried to yap on the move. And I served in the Navy, MCHPV, FSB PS and DA. It happened so.
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 8 January 2021 17: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Cyril G ...
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      And who looks dumber?


                      Of course, you just tried to yap on the move. And I served in the Navy, MCHPV, FSB PS and DA. It happened so.

                      Are you rude? It is not surprising - there is nothing to say. And judging by the names, they served already in the Zaputin era, you have no idea how it was and how it should be. So don't yap! “An old warrior is a wise warrior.” And you are still far from that.
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 8 January 2021 17: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        Are you rude?

                        Read our sweet conversation from the beginning. It was you who started to be rude, and the rude should be put in place
                        [/ Quote]
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        It is not surprising - there is nothing to say.

                        In my opinion, you have absolutely nothing to say, well, except for throwing tantrums "wise warrior"
                        [quote = Doliva63] And judging by the names, they served already in the time of Putin, you have no idea how it was and how it should be.

                        Oh wey, did you even serve that? No hike. Judging by the name, my dear MCHPV this is not the time of Zaputin.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        So don't yap! “An old warrior is a wise warrior.” And you are still far from that.

                        Do age-related changes prevent you from understanding the obvious things? It happens.
                      2. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 8 January 2021 19: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        Are you rude?

                        Read our sweet conversation from the beginning. It was you who started to be rude, and the rude should be put in place
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        It is not surprising - there is nothing to say.

                        In my opinion, you have absolutely nothing to say, well, except for throwing tantrums "wise warrior"
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        And judging by the names, they served already in the Zaputin era, you have no idea how it was and how it should be.

                        Oh wey, did you even serve that? No hike. Judging by the name, my dear MCHPV this is not the time of Zaputin.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        So don't yap! “An old warrior is a wise warrior.” And you are still far from that.

                        Do age-related changes prevent you from understanding the obvious things? It happens.

                        You are not on friendly terms with the obvious, as are those who voted for Yeltsin, and then for Putin. The country is quietly heading nowhere, but everyone is busy with their own problems. Philistinism. Wild ignorance. At the expense of my service - I, like, wrote in my profile: LenVO, Ural Military District, SkVo, GSVG, ZabVO. He had the qualification Master in 2 VUS - "tactical reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces" and "special reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces". Put your "oh vey" away, and this is not rude, this is an assessment of your attitude to my service. I no longer see a reason to communicate with you hi P.S. I am generally a peaceful person, not prone to squabbles drinks
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 January 2021 12: 58
      +1
      For the "Western partners" we are all Russian. It doesn't matter what nationality. Buryat, Dagestan, Chukchi, from Moscow, or Birobidzhan.

      And don't say "Russians". We are Russians. Nationality is not important here.

      And I'm not sure about you, looks like a traitor. am
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 6 January 2021 18: 34
        +2
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        For the "Western partners" we are all Russian. It doesn't matter what nationality. Buryat, Dagestan, Chukchi, from Moscow, or Birobidzhan.

        And don't say "Russians". We are Russians. Nationality is not important here.

        And I'm not sure about you, looks like a traitor. am

        Definitely, I am a traitor, I will trade my whole life in Russia for 1 year in the USSR. I want to go home!
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 8 January 2021 15: 26
          0
          The homeland under the name of the Soviet Union is alive only in our hearts.

          One should not mourn the dead, but go forward, develop further.
          Without pathos "I will trade my whole life in Russia for 1 year in the USSR."
  27. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 6 January 2021 02: 01
    0
    Have you forgotten about the Manchurian strategic offensive operation, when Russian soldiers in less than two weeks tore the narrow-film films into trash?

    In that operation, we had a land border and a lot of time for the transfer of troops, plus logistics organization for preparing an offensive,
    The Japanese fleet was already at the bases due to fuel shortages
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 January 2021 13: 05
      -1
      Thank you, junior lieutenant Obvious))
      But there was not a lot of time.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 5 January 2021 14: 13
    +2
    The one who will not be touched by this war will win. So we sincerely wish our Japanese neighbors not to get involved in this adventure.
  • zenion
    zenion 5 January 2021 14: 20
    +1
    The Japanese will not start anything there. Otherwise, the ocean will stir up again and flood Japan from here and through that to there. The Chinese will applaud and shout encore and encore for a year!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 January 2021 14: 54
    0
    I don't know who will win, but definitely not Japan, it will just end.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 5 January 2021 14: 57
    0
    Has Japan been shaking for a long time?
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 5 January 2021 16: 27
    0
    And the First Tokyo Regiment on jet skis ...
  • Kostya N
    Kostya N 5 January 2021 17: 44
    +2
    Japan can make up its mind, or they can help it decide on a blitzkrieg. The chances of victory, given our fleets, are pretty high. She doesn't even need to land and put up a flag, she just needs to block. In any case, the Yankees will be nearby, and ours will lose in a straight position at sea, have already passed, and now the ratio is even worse. It is difficult to imagine nuclear weapons because of 4 islands even in a dream, it remains to negotiate beautifully.
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 6 January 2021 04: 27
      0
      Quote: Kostya N
      Nuclear weapons because of the 4 islands are difficult to imagine even in a dream, it remains to negotiate beautifully.

      Excuse me, have you read the Constitution of the Russian Federation for a long time, and the military doctrine? I advise you to read))))
      1. Kostya N
        Kostya N 7 January 2021 04: 34
        0
        I outlined my vision there below. The situation, given the global one, is more than real. At the same time, China will calm down, otherwise they only march and steal. And here is real, and this is a little different.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 20: 40
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      Quote: Kostya N
      Nuclear weapons because of the 4 islands are difficult to imagine even in a dream, it remains to negotiate beautifully.


      Why, the classic of the genre is an attempt at aggression against Russia. Moreover, TNW can be used exactly according to DESO. Classic!!! Over the sea in our territorial waters.
      1. Kostya N
        Kostya N 7 January 2021 04: 27
        0
        If only it were that simple. 1: in those territories that are ours, it is unreasonable to use TNW. Our residents and troops are there. Consider radiation. 2: no one will allow us to cross the territory of Japan, since the United States will immediately oppose. They didn't bang in Korea, but they could. This is a very dangerous precedent and the escalation of a local conflict into a full-scale war. Because of the Halkin goal, we didn't bomb Tokyo, but we could.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 January 2021 10: 17
          -1
          Quote: Kostya N
          in those territories that are ours, it is unreasonable to use TNW. Our residents and troops are there.


          Where did I say about our territories? I said in the case of an invasion of targets in our troopers.

          Quote: Kostya N
          Consider radiation.


          Read something about modern TNW

          Quote: Kostya N
          no one will allow us to travel through Japan, since the United States will immediately oppose it.


          What will they do? The protest will be announced and that is the end of it.
  • Alexey Kurilov_4
    Alexey Kurilov_4 5 January 2021 18: 11
    0
    Japan will become Atlantis
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 5 January 2021 18: 42
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    Quote: Observer2014
    The Japanese media asked who would win in the event of a "clash" between Japan and Russia over the South Kuriles.
    Radiation.

    ... and unfortunately the United States of America am
  • Tektor
    Tektor 5 January 2021 19: 03
    +1
    The most dangerous option for the Japanese to capture the Kuriles is when thousands of boats with peaceful Japs move to land on our islands. And they will occupy them with the fact of their presence. And this mosquito invasion army will be followed by the Japanese Navy. ...? ... We need to find a way to prevent the Japanese mosquito fleet from landing on the islands. This can only be done by a cloud of very smelly gas with such a disgusting effect that the Japanese mother would not want to swim to the shore. KMK.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 6 January 2021 01: 56
    0
    I don't understand, does anyone want Japan to fight?

    Reeks of a disinformation campaign
  • Alexander Kalashnikov
    Alexander Kalashnikov 6 January 2021 02: 01
    0
    Hmmm ... They are funny, those same insular belly-cutters ... They adore "smart" reasoning, diligently pretending that they do not understand that the Russian-Japanese ARMED "conflict" is de facto the Third World War. And nuclear. And it doesn't matter who shoots at whom first - a Japanese at a Russian or a Russian at a Japanese. Because the tan will immediately stand up for his six, "subjected to unprovoked aggression," essno. Well, then the Japanese will no longer care who wins - the Citadel of "Democracy" or the "Evil Empire" - because Japan will not be in any case, but there will be a radioactive desert. However, personally, I admit the option that, having played off the Japanese from the Russians, they will "wash their hands", leaving the islanders to independently deal with the angry "northern neighbor". Well, then, when the samurai get the horns AGAIN, you will earn additional credibility as a mediator in peace negotiations and good money - on the post-war reconstruction of the Japanese economy.
  • don-1500
    don-1500 6 January 2021 02: 46
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    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: MaikCG
    Why land on the Japanese islands? Break up Tokyo into vitrified rubble and adyu, let them come to their senses on their own.

    Well, the author talks about the landing ... ask him

    Well, in the sense of the landing on the Kuril Islands, reinforcements for those units that are there now, in peacetime. It will be difficult for them to hold out for a long time, they will need help, the removal of the wounded, etc. And the Japs have a fleet and aviation in order. It is even possible to blockade Kamchatka, so there is only a lot of nuclear weapons and at once, from the very first days.
  • Redsun
    Redsun 6 January 2021 03: 15
    -1
    It is clear that it will hardly be possible to defeat the Japanese without nuclear weapons or strikes on nuclear power plants. There are a lot of them, the fleet is stronger than ours in the Pacific. But is there enough courage for that? I really do not want to believe, but for some reason it seems quite likely to me a scenario when the Kuril Islands will be surrendered for some "considerations of humanism". Like "several islands are not worth the lives of millions of people." The doctrine and all that is certainly good, but in the end the commander-in-chief decides. And he may already be different, and the current one in Ukraine did not dare to go all the way
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 6 January 2021 13: 14
      -1
      Ukraine is not Japan, Ukraine should return, let them eat their fill of independence, their Bender spirit is exhausted, and when we turn off the gas ... 2022 it is time to connect them in parts ... or all at once according to the situation
  • Mikhail Zakharov
    Mikhail Zakharov 6 January 2021 03: 28
    -2
    if they want to take it, they will. their people are almost like in all of our Russia
  • Zinoviy
    Zinoviy 6 January 2021 06: 17
    0
    As long as corrupt officials in uniform are in power in Russia, the outcome is unpredictable.
  • Vdi73
    Vdi73 6 January 2021 07: 19
    +1
    It has long been necessary to show Japan that it belongs to Hokkaido. And then they began to allow themselves a lot. Want to lose the Kuril Islands and Hokkaido.
  • Michael HORNET
    Michael HORNET 6 January 2021 10: 06
    -2
    Technically, they will be able to select the islands (those four) if they decide. And practically in one day.
    The Pacific Fleet is not capable of defending or recapturing the islands with conventional weapons, in a considerable logistical separation from the PPD. There is certainly concern about the use of nuclear weapons. But, as the example of Bukhgalter's arrival in 2014 showed, its use can be stopped very easily.
    Who decides - he will win
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 10: 48
      0
      Quote: Michael HORNET
      And practically in one day.


      It is bad to be an illiterate long-eared creature.
      1. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 19 June 2021 20: 55
        0
        It is bad to sit in front of the TV with the first channel turned on. And even worse - the shameful Olga seven-ruble bot
  • Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod 6 January 2021 12: 12
    -1
    The United States of America will win.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 6 January 2021 12: 59
    0
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki will seem like paradise for Tokyo and Osaka, but we will not bombard Hokkaido there, the northern part of Hokkaido is a temporarily held territory illegally by Japan. According to the decisions of the Tehran Yalta meetings of the big three Stalin Roosevelt Churchill, it must be part of Russia, militaristic Japan must pay in full for the atrocities in Tsushima and Port Arthur. Let Japan only give a reason
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 15: 02
      +1
      Even from a political point of view, if we use TNW against the invasion forces, there is no fundamental problem in this. The problem would be if to strike at the cities. This is yes.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 6 January 2021 16: 12
        -1
        on the hills of Manchuria Kozlovsky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoLNxzW_MHE
  • P. Makarov
    P. Makarov 6 January 2021 16: 20
    0
    After a fight, they don't wave their fists. They would have tried to demand from Stalin the island. Then they would definitely have lost Hokkaido.
  • Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 6 January 2021 19: 17
    +1
    Japan has little chances against the Russia of Vladimir Putin and Sergei Shoigu, it will simply disappear from the planet! Now, if with some home-grown liberal like Navalny or Sobchak, then Japan will have a chance, and they won't fight, the liberals will give it up.
  • Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 6 January 2021 20: 31
    0
    The Americans have long ago powdered the brains of the Japanese ... who have been fucked since the age of 45 ... so after the poll, about 30% are absolutely sure that the Soviet Union has killed them. Apparently the time is coming for Russia to demonstrate a vigorous loaf of 100 kilotons.
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  • 1536
    1536 7 January 2021 00: 14
    -1
    The Japanese are playing a long game, their youth has a goal, propaganda works for the unity of the nation, and, consequently, the territory. In Russia, unfortunately, drunkards or people with varying degrees of mental retardation, or even just inveterate scoundrels, are replacing the gatherers of the Russian land with tragic regularity. So the Japanese are waiting for their "finest hour" to come again.
    It's time to break this vicious practice.
    As for the Japanese attempts to see the sky in diamonds, you shouldn't even notice them, you never know there are all sorts of "dreamers" in the world. Let the Japanese cook in their own juice on the islands they now occupy, with the gracious permission of the American government. But if they climb again, let them know that they will receive a worthy rebuff, including within the framework of the military doctrine adopted by Russia in the event of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country.