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Russian Aerospace Forces facing a new threat. What is fraught with the appearance of "Meteors" and JNAAM at our air lines?

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As you remember, in our numerous previous reviews, the question was raised with enviable regularity by the edge of the insufficient anti-aircraft potential of fighter aviation regiments of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the light of the acquisition of operational combat readiness on July 11, 2016 by the first batch of promising long-range air-to-air missiles "Meteor" from the leading Western European rocket concern MBDA ("Matra BAE Dynamics Alenia").

The concept of combined RPDs for equipping air combat missiles intercepts the initiative from the standard solid propellants


Equipped with "high-torque" and "long-playing" integral / combined rocket-ramjet engines from Bayern-Chemie GmbH with the ability to regulate the intensity of the powdery solid propellant charge into the combustion chamber (by means of a specialized valve with a computerized throttle valve drive control system) and prolong the burnout period of the first , long-range URVB "Meteor" are capable of maintaining the highest flight performance even in the far zone of the destruction radius (at a distance of 130-150 km from the launch points from the carrier's suspension points), which will ensure confident interception of enemy targets carrying out anti-missile maneuvers with overloads of about 15 17G.

Against this background, the RVV-SD (R-77-1 / "Product 170-1") medium / long-range air combat missiles entering service with the combat units of the Russian Aerospace Forces to equip the Su-30SM / 1/2 multifunctional fighters of the transitional generation and Su-35S, as well as ultra-long-range RVV-BD (R-37M / "Product 610M") for integration into ammunition, both Su-35S fighters and MiG-31BM interceptors, and 5th generation Su-57 multirole fighters, according to - still do not provide the ability to intercept highly maneuverable aerospace attack weapons (including tactical aviation and promising supersonic anti-ship missiles) at a distance of more than 90-100 km.

Thus, RVV-SD air combat missiles have standard single-mode solid propellant rocket engines with a limited burn-out period of solid propellant charges, providing high speed parameters and proper flight characteristics (high angular rate of turn and the ability to maintain controllability at high angles of attack) at a distance of no more than 70-100 km (at starting from medium and high altitudes, respectively).

At distances of more than 100 km (against the background of a spent solid propellant rocket charge), the aerodynamic braking effect contributes to an accelerated decrease in the RVV-SD flight speed to critical rates of 1500–1200 km / h, which excludes the possibility of maneuvering with overloads of 20–25 units, necessary for confident defeat tactical enemy fighters carrying out anti-missile maneuvers with overloads of 8-9G.

As for the RVV-BD ultra-long-range missile defense missile systems, these products are distinguished by an even lower design safety factor (and hence the available overloads of no more than 20G), which ensures reliable interception of a very limited range of low-maneuverable targets operating with 6-8G overloads (including strategic aviation, subsonic stealth tactical and strategic missile launchers JASSM-ER and Tomahawk Block IV, as well as strike-reconnaissance UAVs and outdated operational-tactical ballistic missiles).

This conclusion can be reached after a detailed analysis of the tactical and technical parameters of the RVV-BD, published in a very competent domestic military-technical online directory militaryrussia.ru.

And this, not to mention the impressive midsection of the hull (about 0,113 sq. M) and the final mass of the RVV-BD rocket of about 300 kg (after depletion of the fuel charge), contributing to a fairly rapid decrease in flight speed from 5M to 2-1,5M in dense layers of the troposphere. Which certainly does not expand the range of capabilities of the R-37M in countering maneuvering enemy air targets in the far zone of the radius of destruction (230-270 km).

Partially eliminating the aforementioned lag behind the multipurpose promising air combat missiles MBDA "Meteor" will allow a reduction in the time frame for the implementation of the program for the development and launch of large-scale production of the promising long-range air combat missile "Product 180", the design of which was entrusted to the specialists of the "Vympel" years earlier.

The promising product will receive a more "long-playing" dual-mode solid propellant rocket, similar to that used in the AIM-120D AMRAAM type missile missile defense system, due to which the maximum range of intercepted targets will increase by 1,5 times in comparison with those entering the R-77-1 fighter regiments (from 120 to 170– 180 km).

Nevertheless, in the case of launching from medium altitudes, the effective range of interception of highly maneuverable targets by means of "Products 180" will be no more than 130-140 km, which will continue to be due to the main key technological disadvantage of solid propellants in comparison with integral RPDs - 2-2,5 , 250 times lower specific thrust impulse (300-600 versus 700-XNUMX seconds, respectively), due to several times shorter burnout period of an unregulated dual-mode solid rocket motor.

It is this drawback that will exclude the possibility of maintaining high speed, and hence the implementation of "energy" maneuvering "Products 180" in the far zone of the radius of destruction, which is confidently achieved by European "Meteors".

In light of the above circumstances, the information about the contribution of the Japanese defense department of $ 9,7 million to the joint British-Japanese program for the development of a promising long-range air combat missile JNAAM ("Joint New Air-to-Air Missile"), an agreement on the launch of which was reached back at the end of 2015, after appropriate consultations between high-ranking representatives of the defense ministries and foreign affairs agencies of both states.

Developed by the joint division of MBDA - Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, the advanced JNAAM interceptor missile is a conceptual and constructive hybrid of the Meteor air combat missile and the Japanese AAM-4B medium-range missile.

The first will have a power unit with an integral rocket-ramjet engine, providing JNAAM with the above flight parameters. The Japanese AAM-4B has a unique centimeter active radar homing head based on an active phased array.

In contrast to the standard active and active-passive radar seeker AD4A and 9B-1103M-200PS (used in Meteor missiles and in Product 180 and represented by slot antenna arrays), the new ARGSN with AFAR for air-to-air missiles JNAAM will have noticeably greater energy potential and noise immunity, more efficiently selecting and "capturing" air targets covered by response frequency-based noise and barrage interference from containerized electronic warfare systems "Khibiny-U", MSP-418K, "Sorption", etc.

In this situation, the only uncontested option for eliminating the backlog of fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces from Western tactical aviation in the tasks of gaining air superiority is the implementation by the Moscow Research Institute "Agat" of a program for the development of a similar ARGSN based on AFAR with parallel defrosting "Vympel" of the project of a promising long-range air combat missile RVV -AE-PD.
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  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 06: 30
    +2
    The consolation is that at least some modern weapon enters the Air Force, albeit with worse characteristics than that of the "partners". Well, they are working out the tactics for this, I hope.
    So the main defense for our Motherland is nuclear weapons.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 6 January 2021 07: 15
      +30
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It is consoling that at least some modern weapon enters the Air Force, albeit with worse characteristics than that of the "partners".

      I am very sorry, but the TV says that we have no analogue in the world.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 07: 32
        +7
        We're not staring at TV right now, colleague? )))
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 6 January 2021 07: 56
          +28
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          We're not staring at TV right now, colleague? )))

          Srglasen yes A sane person cannot watch TV.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 6 January 2021 19: 38
            +3
            And on TV I only watch channels with films or sports, hunting, fishing, and the first one, ORT, NTV, etc., have not been turned on for several years.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 6 January 2021 23: 12
              +6
              ORT has long been gone, this is the First. Do not confuse it with OTR, which is characterized by a rather critical attitude towards many phenomena and events in Russian reality.
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad 6 January 2021 17: 12
          +15
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          We're not staring at TV now


          The funny thing is that the proven infa (and not in the style of OBS or "I see it that way") on the Internet is taken from the media that are either "present on the TV" or take this information "from the TV".
          And the most enchanting nonsense is to think that propaganda is only "on the TV" and on the Internet everything is true and there is no propaganda. The Internet, like TV, is a dump of various information.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 6 January 2021 19: 40
            +3
            That's right - there is a variety of information on the Internet, and monotonous on TV.
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 6 January 2021 23: 00
              +4
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              a variety of information on the Internet


              the main thing is not the diversity of information, but its reliability with the possibility of confirming the source. It's like one thing just to write that someone is a thief, and another thing is to confirm it with documents and in court.
            2. sleeve
              sleeve 8 January 2021 04: 52
              0
              This is frightening. Dealing with the Internet is more difficult for a layman like me. That's where the materials for this article come from? And on TV I looked at the star and was glad of the names. Then, on the Internet, compare the performance characteristics, cry over the production or rejoice. There it is in the gland. Travels / flies / walks ... And so "project-concept-technical task". Where does such "reliable data" come from in such "subtle matters"? Probably "Data Analysis on the Web".
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 6 January 2021 15: 10
        -4
        Quote: Malyuta
        telly says that we have no analogue in the world.

        Do not watch TV before dinner (!) ... and in general before eating ... if it impairs your digestion! As a result of poor digestion, an excessive amount of bile is released! Hence, a pronounced irritable mood and a yellow complexion are observed!
        1. Vitaly Pogrebnyak
          Vitaly Pogrebnyak 6 January 2021 15: 42
          -1
          I see you are a fan of American cinema.
      3. Archon
        Archon 7 January 2021 20: 29
        0
        Telek does not specify in which world there are no analogues request
    2. tarackanovaleksei
      tarackanovaleksei 6 January 2021 14: 35
      -5
      Buy Valerian. She also comforts.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 6 January 2021 17: 52
        -2
        Quote: tarackanovaleksei
        Buy Valerian. She also comforts.

        Buy Dichlorvos, sit on treason.
        1. uralant
          uralant 7 January 2021 05: 46
          +5
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Buy Dichlorvos, sit on treason.

          What is dichlorvos? It used to be three zips for a beer in early days, but now? Even the Novice doesn't take anyone. The cockroaches now have expanse.
          1. Soko
            Soko 7 January 2021 23: 25
            +21
            Quote: uralant
            It used to be three zips for a beer in early days, but now? Even the Novice doesn't take anyone

            And here they dilute belay
          2. Bolo
            Bolo 8 January 2021 13: 44
            0
            Buy a scarf, warm, London!
  3. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 6 January 2021 07: 11
    +10
    Nothing. All of these missiles can be used to the maximum against your aircraft in regional conflicts. North Korea shows the impossibility of attacking a power with nuclear weapons. And you have this nuclear weapon, like shoe polish. wink
    1. Comrade I
      Comrade I 6 January 2021 12: 21
      -2
      Fine! We will lose our fighter aircraft in regional conflicts until nothing remains of it.
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 6 January 2021 16: 20
      +5
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And you have this nuclear weapons, like shoe polish.
      Not enough, not enough for everything.
    3. Bolo
      Bolo 8 January 2021 13: 46
      0
      Is that why you hammer the poor Syrians out of Lebanon?
  4. URAL72
    URAL72 6 January 2021 07: 44
    -2
    A ramjet engine is not new to Russia. Produced in series for a long time. It would be so vitally important if they put it on RV-B.
    1. dauria
      dauria 6 January 2021 23: 43
      +3
      A ramjet engine is not news for Russia

      Excuse me, Oleg ... No one really noticed that the article describes an engine from the novel by Alexei Tolstoy
      "Aelita"? There, engineer Elk's "fine" explosive powder was fed in portions into the combustion chamber. This is not a direct-flow air ... To be honest, for the first time I heard that this has become a reality.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 8 January 2021 04: 56
        +2
        That's what we're talking about. I've already seen some kind of fantasy under an hour concepts several times. But the general tone of the articles they say has been there for a long time, but we do not itch. I would say that it is not convincing.
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 12 January 2021 10: 46
        0
        "fine" explosive powder was fed in portions into the combustion chamber. This is not a direct-flow air ...

        more like a V-1 engine. Also pulsating WFD. Only instead of powder - 80-octane gasoline
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 January 2021 07: 59
    -11%
    Who will climb on us fool We have a nuclear bonba! Yes, and you can stick a special ammunition into the air with a rocket. For an adversary, nothing is a pity! drinks
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 January 2021 10: 23
      +9
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Who will climb on us fool We have a nuclear bonba! Yes, and you can stick a special ammunition into the air with a rocket. For an adversary, nothing is a pity! drinks

      Funny thing, it's so sacred to believe in the omnipotence of a nuclear bomb ...
      Why, then, do the countries of the ground forces, the air force and the navy, if the ICBM is "a guarantee of world peace" ..?
      And how, interestingly, Russia will be able to use nuclear weapons against Japan, Norway or Ukraine, for example ...
      A bit like the episode when the Zulus, coming closer to the British, cut out the latter, and knives with short spears turned out to be stronger than rifles with cannons at this moment ...
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 January 2021 10: 32
        +10
        Quote: Doccor18
        It’s so sacred to believe in the omnipotence of a nuclear bomb ...
        Why, then, do the countries of the ground forces, the air force and the navy, if the ICBM is "a guarantee of world peace" ..?

        Colleague, this is a hell of a TV influence wassat
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 8 January 2021 04: 59
          0
          No, rather the Internet. On TV, the balanced Russian threat is visible. And all the best. Here in the network we are all punctuating with a tokma bomb ... What then is less harmful to the brain?)
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 January 2021 11: 01
        0
        Everything rests on the interpretation of the threat to statehood. Option all of the countries listed above have climbed to solve their problems with us by military means. From behind a puddle, the State Department's voice: We welcome your decisive actions, we are with you! Probably have to bang on the aggressor and welcomers!
      3. Foxmara
        Foxmara 6 January 2021 19: 31
        +1
        Easy. Take less power and voila. The USA will explain everything to you, they have already figured out how
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    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 6 January 2021 13: 33
      +2
      In a couple of years, Erdogan Sultan will have a yadrena-bonba. He is uncontrollable now, but then ... And we will not do anything with him
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 January 2021 14: 03
        0
        Closer Iran, after canceling the deal, they will have 9 kg of highly enriched uranium. I am not a nuclear engineer, from 2 to 9 kg, can you make a "product" for a warhead?
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 6 January 2021 14: 09
          +1
          Turks, by the way, are very jealous of Iran's nuclear program. And besides, Erdogan Sultan has very, very warm relations with Pakistan, which already has nuclear weapons.
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 6 January 2021 16: 27
          +5
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I am not a nuclear scientist, from 2 to 9 kg, can you make a "product" for a warhead?
          If you don't show off, then the critical mass of uranium is 50 kg. By showing off, you can reduce it to a kilogram. But the trick is that no bombs are made on uranium now, "gentlemen prefer plutonium." In addition, a simple nuclear bomb is now a waste of expensive fissile materials, you will get an exhaust of ten kilotons, and by making a normal thermonuclear charge (with an initiator from this uranium-plutonium) - 400 kilotons (or more, according to your needs).
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 6 January 2021 23: 24
        +1
        The opposition is very strong in Turkey, and its influence is growing. Mayor of the largest city, Istanbul, oppositionist. By the way, Erdogan himself once held this post. For all his manners, Erdogan will never cancel elections and will not interfere with the activities of political parties. Note how often he speaks to his supporters at rallies, at meetings of his party committees. He's more of a populist. But his health is not very good, he has already lost consciousness several times at various events. We must also understand that the opposition in Turkey is also different, different parties adhere to diametrically opposed views on many issues. Some of its representatives are more radical than Erdogan.
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 January 2021 08: 06
    +1
    That is, as I understand it, in the event of a war, we can simply begin to massively lose combat aircraft, and we ourselves will not be able to conduct an air battle on equal terms, because of the low maneuverability of our aircraft missiles?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 10: 17
      +4
      And what have the maneuverability of missiles and maximum launch ranges to do with it? The author, in his role and campaign, confused the energy capabilities of the missiles. Here they are, yes. The maximum range of a combat launch was in reality a little more than 50 km, as I recall.
      1. Hexenmeister
        Hexenmeister 6 January 2021 14: 14
        +10
        I remember here the graphs of the launch range of the AIM-120 were given, depending on the conditions, and according to them, beautiful ranges over a hundred kilometers were achieved at altitudes of 25 km, and if we return to the real conditions of the battle, heights of 5 ... 10 km and at subsonic, then the ranges launches were only 50 ... 60 km, and even less for a maneuvering target. So, you will have to "cut the sturgeon" very strongly, and most importantly, the "old" R-77 will have similar values, and a gain of 1 ... 2 km will not give AIM-120 a decisive advantage.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 14: 50
          +3
          Quite right. I remember this graph. It?
          1. Hexenmeister
            Hexenmeister 6 January 2021 15: 17
            +2
            Yes, those charts!
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 15: 32
              +2
              If I understand correctly, We are apparently talking about the S-7 rocket, with its flight altitude equal to 10 km, Dpusk = 55 km into the front hemisphere at the maximum speed of the fighter, and guaranteed Dpusk (there is no chance of dodging the target) = 30 km.
              If someone can give other explanations on this schedule, I will be glad to read it.
              1. Hexenmeister
                Hexenmeister 6 January 2021 16: 18
                +2
                It looks like it is. Only here you need to understand that such information is not open, and as an option, that it is a leak on the "non-American" options, since the AIM-120 is in service not only in the United States. But these charts can be considered a reasonable example of sturgeon trimming.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 17: 39
                  +6
                  The amendment must of course be borne in mind.

                  By the way, "Mr." Damantsev, apparently without looking, re-publishes old articles once a year - https://topwar.ru/159734-pochemu-my-proigryvaem-dalnij-vozdushnyj-boj-utrata-iniciativy-kak-zakonomernost.html
        2. Foxmara
          Foxmara 6 January 2021 20: 27
          +1
          If we add to this the maneuverability of our aircraft and reduce the ironing capacity of NATO, then ... the hope of throwing missiles from afar will once again collapse.
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 January 2021 10: 26
      +7
      Quote: Thrifty
      That is, as I understand it, in the event of a war, we can simply begin to massively lose combat aircraft, and we ourselves will not be able to conduct an air battle on equal terms, because of the low maneuverability of our aircraft missiles?

      It seems so ...
      And it raises serious concerns that Japan has seriously taken up a comprehensive qualitative update of its Air Force ...
  7. Cool but not Igor
    Cool but not Igor 6 January 2021 08: 36
    -3
    I like to read Damantsev, writes correctly, pointing out the deep features of weapons, comparing their characteristics and making conclusions. Well done!
    1. mark2
      mark2 6 January 2021 10: 05
      +2
      And you do not need to draw a conclusion.
      It has already been done for you.
      Damantsev did. All you need to do is like. We press the button.
  8. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 6 January 2021 08: 53
    +4
    If Damantsev knows about all this, and now VO readers too, then it is logical that the relevant intelligence services and various research institutes and design bureaus also know about this. And they take action. Instead of respected Damantsev, I would ask you to stop doing nonsense - looking for articles on the Internet about possible new weapons and then stupidly comparing a donkey to a goose, scribbling your experiences on all resources. You are doing a useless job. Find yourself a job, stop talking.
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 6 January 2021 11: 19
      +6
      the relevant intelligence services and various research institutes and design bureaus also know about this. And they take action.


      Comments in the style of "we have everything according to plan, and who doubts it is a bad person", it is high time to equate it with subversion in favor of a potential enemy. In this regard, I recall the arguments of the late 80s like "let Gorbachev do the work, they know what they are doing upstairs." As it turned out, those at the top really knew what they were doing, the only problem is that they used this knowledge to work for their own pocket.
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 6 January 2021 13: 02
        +7
        Equate to whatever you want, I would also equate driving at a red light to a criminal offense with at least 3 years in prison. We are talking about exactly the author who stupidly climbs on specialized foreign Internet resources (which are just news and advertising) and looks for articles about the new weapon of our potential opponents, which may be put into service with them. And then he stupidly compares them - what the enemy does not yet have with what is already there or also not yet in Russia. And draws frightening conclusions. This does not bring any benefit to the masses. And it doesn't give anything new to our designers and the military. Everything he writes about is well known in MO and is also analyzed, and not only from news sites. That's what it is about. And to write at the end - "boss, everything is lost" - you don't need a lot of cleverness. As well as to write - "yes we will turn off all with one left Khibina!" ...
        1. A_Lex
          A_Lex 6 January 2021 16: 36
          -3
          Everything he writes about is well known in MO and is also analyzed, and not only from news sites. That's what it is about.


          Of course, there may be something there and someone analyzes. But only any adequate person is not interested in plans, not promises, not assurances, not assumptions, in short, not empty words, but only real efficiency. From this point of view, in reality, in practice, the rearmament program has failed.

          And to write at the end - "boss, everything is lost" - you don't need a lot of cleverness.


          Yes, for sophistry, which is perfectly mastered by Olgino's staff, you really don't need a lot of cleverness. With this approach, any justified criticism should simply be hyperbolized to be perceived as panic, and then pick up a funny episode ridiculing panic from popular content - in this case, the well-known film The Diamond Arm was a good fit for this. After that, any criticism should be responded to in a standard, purely methodical way, with the phrase "boss, everything is gone," thus drawing readers a direct association between criticism of the author and the ridiculous and funny behavior of the hero performed by Mironov.
          The usual proven technology of denigrating any author whose opinion goes against the line of official propaganda.
          1. Foxmara
            Foxmara 6 January 2021 20: 48
            0
            Damansky, perelogines! laughing laughing what's the criticism? Everyone already knows how and what this author writes about. There is a lot of text, everything looks very clever, and when you figure it out, nothing. Without taking into account our peculiarities. Like two spherical horses fly in a vacuum. One launches a spherical rocket .. the second cannot do anything, because the first horse has the author Damansky. I don't really want to read anymore, because at the end the standard everything was gone. Well, the most apt comparison .. If this is not propaganda - pinch me. And if not your propaganda about Olgino, then I'll eat my hat. But this is propaganda ..
            When you read the author for the first time, it seems new and cool. He doesn’t feel like it. Same.
            Moreover, the author concludes. No alternative. How we need to be saved. It's funny.
            No, I don't work in Olgino.
            You also have an interesting phrase. The program has failed. And if you listen to the author's Western counterparts, then Russia is already ready to seize all of Europe and there is no salvation. We urgently need to ban Russia's weapons as inhumane. You already write there specifically that from your point of view it has failed, it's interesting.
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 7 January 2021 01: 46
              0
              Everyone already knows here how and what this author writes about. There is a lot of text, everything looks very clever, but when you figure it out, nothing about it.


              So there is no analysis. There is just a banal roll call, in which the phrase "yes this is Damantsev" is repeated in different ways. And, in fact, that's all. The usual technology of denigrating the author, and not the proposed text.

              And if you listen to the author's Western counterparts, then Russia is already ready to seize the whole of Europe and there is no salvation.


              It's just a new brain-composting scheme that works well. It is necessary to inspire the Indians that they are cool and great, so it is easier to exchange their resources for beads.
          2. Mairos
            Mairos 6 January 2021 20: 55
            +3
            The usual proven technology of praising promising weapons of the West according to advertising data in comparison with the models already existing in the troops or being adopted for service. The author forgets "to cut the sturgeon" permanently in all his articles.
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 7 January 2021 20: 08
          +1
          Somewhat I disagree with you, you need to know the plans for the future of the enemy, and you need to be sure that these plans are not bullshit, so it is difficult to determine what is really, but necessary.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 6 January 2021 12: 40
      +8
      Find yourself a job, stop talking.
      Parasitism is his job.
    3. Reiter
      Reiter 6 January 2021 13: 14
      +6
      Do you think that officials are not people, but ideal functions and cannot make mistakes or deliberate sabotage? For example, have you always agreed with Chubais or Nabiullina?
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 6 January 2021 14: 14
        +1
        It seems that there was not a word about officials. And in general, about politics.
        1. Reiter
          Reiter 6 January 2021 15: 39
          +5
          And who, in your opinion, are all these civil servants, including the military, who determine decisions on the development of this or that type of weapon? They are officials, people in the civil service. Or are they private entrepreneurs or are they volunteer volunteers? Who, for example, made the decision to build the useless 22160 patrol ships?
          1. TatarinSSSR
            TatarinSSSR 6 January 2021 16: 07
            +2
            Commerce, stuffing one's pockets and real security of the country and its territories are different things. Is there a real threat of a full-scale war with Japan now? No. And even if it did, then the funds that the Russian Ministry of Defense now have enough to return Japan to the stall. Yes, we will have losses and more sanctions, US hysteria, but Japan has no chance. Everyone understands this. And they work for the future, and not momentarily. Ships, missiles and so on are needed, are needed very much and are not inferior to the enemy's models. But we must start from the possibilities of the economy, industrial capacities, developments and the budget. And punish those responsible for inappropriate and useless spending. This is a difficult, long job. And any student can stupidly compare.
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 6 January 2021 16: 58
              +4
              Is there a real threat of a full-scale war with Japan now? No.


              "Before" it is necessary to write "everything is fine, we are working on it."
              "After" it is necessary to write "and what can we do? After the fight, they don't wave their fists, or you want a third world war, you are out of your mind."
              All remarks are thought out in advance and for each stage its own is prepared. And most importantly, each remark very logically explains why it is not necessary to change anything right now and let everything go as it is.

              And punish those responsible for inappropriate and useless spending. This is a difficult, long work. And any student can stupidly compare.


              Yes, right. It is necessary to punish. In theory. In reality, there is no punishment. And whoever does not understand and thinks that it is very easy and simple to punish this is, of course, a schoolboy.
              The logic is iron. And, most importantly, in this way you can "reasonably" explain anything you like, just to convince that everything is going according to plan.
            2. Suhow
              Suhow 7 January 2021 20: 12
              0
              I think we need to start from the required minimum, + taking into account our capabilities a little.
            3. Usher
              Usher 8 January 2021 04: 57
              -3
              Quote: TatarinSSSR
              Commerce, stuffing one's pockets and real security of the country and its territories are different things. Is there a real threat of a full-scale war with Japan now? No. And even if it did, then the funds that the Russian Ministry of Defense now have enough to return Japan to the stall. Yes, we will have losses and more sanctions, US hysteria, but Japan has no chance. Everyone understands this. And they work for the future, and not momentarily. Ships, missiles and so on are needed, are needed very much and are not inferior to the enemy's models. But we must start from the possibilities of the economy, industrial capacities, developments and the budget. And punish those responsible for inappropriate and useless spending. This is a difficult, long job. And any student can stupidly compare.

              Golden words, otherwise they got tired of scaring with their second Tsushima. "Look, our entire fleet is weaker than the Japanese, what a grief, thieves, fools." Look how many new destroyers they have. Their economy allows it. And they don't understand that their main rival is China.
  9. steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 January 2021 10: 02
    +2
    The article is competent, examples, facts and conclusions are all to the point. Only to create and build, and not only missiles, money is needed. And all the money earned goes to the United States in the form of tribute.
    "2021 - revenues: 18,8 trillion rubles, expenses: 21,52 trillion rubles,"
    "Thus, the state budget revenues in 2020 will amount to about 20 trillion rubles."
    “Do you want the 90s to return?” - this is me one fan of Putin and the assistant to the deputy of the United Russia said. What rockets? What space? While Putin is "driving" we would not die of hunger!
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 6 January 2021 11: 30
      -4
      And all the money earned goes to the United States in the form of tribute


      An ordinary colony. True, I don’t remember from history that someone voluntarily transferred to the status of a colony without any struggle at all. It looks like something was wrong in the USSR in terms of education, if people massively resigned themselves. Despite the fact that in Latin America, despite all the fascist coups, people still continue to fight. And in the next topic, some people are nostalgic about the USSR.
  10. tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 6 January 2021 14: 45
    +1
    Where are these missiles? Meteors, etc. They have been talking about this for ten years. In fact, only words. Of course, you have to be on the alert and watch (maybe buy something new through other countries.) .. And keep an eye on the situation. But to be like gossips, storytellers and magazine whores is to play on their side and involuntarily become their accomplice and provocateur
    ... And remember !!! Their task is to involve Russia in the notorious arms race. Be vigilant and know the ENEMY DOESN'T SLEEP. !!!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 15: 38
      +3
      Well, in general, then there are no them. And the enemy's main RVV is AiM-120, models B and C
  11. DLord
    DLord 6 January 2021 15: 54
    +5
    Damantsev is recognizable from the first paragraph. And this is not a compliment
    1. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 6 January 2021 16: 21
      +4
      I would say - Damantsev is recognizable from the title of the article. And that's not a compliment either.
      1. Reiter
        Reiter 8 January 2021 18: 53
        +1
        Now, if Damantsev praised Russian military equipment, then it would be his own boyfriend, and so ... it is unpleasant to read him, such reading is not interesting, only negative emotions, and you encourage that he is right in many ways, and you can do nothing, therefore you have to vent your anger on him.
      2. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx 15 January 2021 20: 47
        0
        One minus from the author of the article (this is understandable) ... But who is the SECOND "minus" ???? And what is characteristic - ALWAYS TWO "MINUSES" hi
  12. bars1
    bars1 6 January 2021 17: 35
    +4
    GOS with AFAR 9B-1103M2 is intended for R-77M (edition 180). The R-77M is the main weapon of the Su-57, because it is the only one designed for intra-fuselage placement (unlike other modifications of the R-77). The contract for the serial production of the 9B-1103M2 was signed at the Army-2019 exhibition.
  13. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 6 January 2021 17: 43
    +4
    In this situation, the only uncontested option for eliminating the backlog of fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces from Western tactical aviation in the tasks of gaining air superiority is the implementation by the Moscow Research Institute "Agat" of a program for the development of a similar ARGSN based on AFAR with parallel defrosting "Vympel" of the project of a promising long-range air combat missile RVV -AE-PD.

    And what, just this? Do you already have an engine for the rocket?
  14. Phoenix
    Phoenix 6 January 2021 17: 43
    +6
    Damantsev, keep it simple. From the first line they will recognize your "style" and stuff the reader with a mouthful of unnecessary terms. Your 100 words convey the essence of 10, the rest bleed your eyes.
  15. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 6 January 2021 18: 31
    +5
    Equipped with "high-torque" and "long-running" integral / combined rocket-ramjet engines from "Bayern-Chemie GmbH" with the ability to regulate the flow rate powdered solid propellant charge into the combustion chamber This fragment in the article by E. Damantsev aroused particular interest in me, given that it appears in E. Damantsev's articles many times! What is the "catch"? The fact is that I have been "raised" since the 80s of the last century with descriptions of a "solid-fuel" ramjet engine of the following scheme: 1. In the combustion chamber of a ramjet, there is a starting engine block of a "classic" type (solid propellant engine) ... After burnout " starter ", its remains are removed from the ramjet combustion chamber and combustible gases from the GAS GENERATOR are launched into the chamber (!) ... And here the most important thing begins! The gas generator is a block (block) of boron-containing solid fuel, very depleted in oxygen! As a result, the fuel does not "glow", but "smolders"! Combustible gases are formed that enter the air supply channel from the air intake, where they mix with air and enter the combustion chamber, where they burn, creating thrust! There is no powder! If you read the descriptions of the operation of the engine "Meteora", it turns out exactly in this way ...The European air-to-air Meteor rocket has a combined propulsion system. A ramjet engine (ramjet engine) with modulus-controlled thrust serves as a sustainer. Ramjet is equipped a gas generator with a charge of solid heavy boron-containing, oxygen-depleted fuel. The gas formed is ignited in the ramjet channel, mixing with the increased pressure air flow. Adjustment of the ramjet thrust is achieved by changing the cross-sectional area of ​​the gas generator nozzle. To accelerate to the speed required to launch a ramjet engine (about 2 M), a solid propellant accelerator is used, made on the basis of a charge of low-smoke mixed fuel and placed in a single housing with a ramjet engine.
    E. Damantsev has a "solid-fuel" ramjet with the supply of "powdery solid fuel"! In principle, there are projects for such a ramjet engine (I know a project for such a ramjet engine with the supply of powdered aluminum ...), but such an engine does not have a gas generator! To be honest, I don't know a "working" ramjet engine with such a principle! (If we take a perspective into history, then Diesel first tried to adapt his internal combustion engine for coal dust! I don't remember whether he produced "diesels" for coal fuel, but we are well aware of "liquid-fuel" diesels!) I think that "mine" is solid-fuel "The ramjet is still significantly different from the" solid-fuel "ramjet engine respected E. Damantsev! I suppose that the design of the" Damantsev ramjet "will be more complicated and unreliable than the type I have described ... This issue is already becoming a fundamental issue! "sternly and decisively!" It is possible that I "in something, somewhere" am mistaken, but I do not "accuse" E. Damantsev of anything! Maybe the "community" on VO will judge us?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 7 January 2021 03: 28
      0
      Maybe "society" on VO will judge us?
      maybe with a powdery composition of solid propellant rocket motors, here an obvious overkill is also possible, although there is also pasty fuel for pure solid propellants without a ramjet stage and is used as a method of throttling thrust in different cruising modes of operation, even in a vacuum, by the way ...
  16. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 7 January 2021 10: 30
    0
    Maneuvered vehicles cannot maneuver with lateral g-forces of more than 8-9g, otherwise the pilot will be able to.
  17. iouris
    iouris 7 January 2021 13: 36
    -4
    In this area, technologically, Russians have always lagged behind, are lagging behind and will lag behind. But that is not the main Russian problem.
  18. Avior
    Avior 7 January 2021 16: 11
    +3
    The article, of course, is in the style of Damantsev, but it touches on a serious problem - new-generation missiles have appeared, both long-range and short-range missiles, which in the near future will leave an imprint on design decisions in aviation.
    The new missiles have increased maneuverability and energy, which significantly reduces the capabilities of anti-missile maneuver, limited by human capabilities in manned aircraft.
    The second side is the appearance of fundamentally new GOS - with AFAR for long-range missiles and with matrix IC GOS for near missiles, which reduces the possibility of REB for use against new missiles.
    And these two new trends need to be taken into account when designing new manned vehicles.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 January 2021 19: 26
      -2
      Lazar for blinding missiles on the approach to the aircraft as an option.
  19. evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 January 2021 19: 25
    -2
    Let's wait for the wreckage of these super-super missiles, and then maybe ours will be copied.
  20. Usher
    Usher 8 January 2021 04: 50
    -3
    Didn't understand at first
    which will ensure confident interception of enemy targets carrying out anti-missile maneuvers with overloads of the order of 15-17G.
    this is Meteor, and we have
    which excludes the possibility of maneuvering with overloads of 20-25 units
    that is, they consider the norms of 17 Ji, but for us 20 Ji is not enough. What kind of double standards?
  21. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 8 January 2021 09: 04
    +1
    As always, a set of smart letters without an obvious beginning, essence and ending, besides, in each paragraph they contradict each other. As always, non-existent foreign missiles that can fly as much as 130 km and hit targets with 15G overloads steeper than our existing missiles, which are "only "they fly 200 + km, but alas, they do not provide the characteristics of 25 G. I am already silent about the discussion about the capabilities of RVV-BD missiles at long distances and other blunders, which are not clear where they come from in the sick heads of such authors. These are experts of the kindergarten level who all the evidence is based on which rocket is larger, heavier, or sharper.
    1. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 15 January 2021 20: 51
      0
      Who will fence whom: an elephant or a whale ??? Which is stronger: solid or hot ??? This is Damantsev: "I will compare the unpickable !!!" hi
  22. SovietUnit
    SovietUnit 10 January 2021 07: 52
    -3
    Until we eliminate the enemy's main weapon, the Put and Co strategic complex, all our efforts to strengthen the defense will be powerless.
  23. alexander ivanov_9
    alexander ivanov_9 10 January 2021 09: 29
    +1
    simplicity in grace - 10G overload is easy to find in the world! The Americans spat and did not begin to knit further with 5G, the wings flew off and the plane flew to smithereens and you then decided that our missiles were shit? but as America's achievements, the maximum for today is the flight of their rocket max --- 7-9G and that's it! they broke their butt and our guys from 22-28G didn't jump higher and even about the nuclear engine that has been tested and is being prepared for launch into space in Russia for the first time in the world as always, they can't even dream of blathering that this is fantastic - stop lying about their merits, they are still trampled in technology in the 20th century
  24. alexander ivanov_9
    alexander ivanov_9 10 January 2021 09: 33
    0
    I forgot to put a photo of who we are talking about
  25. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 January 2021 20: 55
    -1
    Eugene better get acquainted with the assessment of our videoconferencing by the Chinese.
  26. 3danimal
    3danimal 11 January 2021 12: 54
    -1
    Nevertheless, in the case of launching from medium altitudes, the effective interception range of highly maneuverable targets by means of "Products 180" will be no more than 130–140 km.

    When attacking a maneuverable target (fighter), the maximum missile range (90 km) can be safely divided in half (for a solid propellant rocket).
    (AIM-120C7 has a max range of 120 km, AIM-120D - 180 km)
    1. Hexenmeister
      Hexenmeister 11 January 2021 14: 48
      0
      AIM-120C7 has a max range of 120km
      Look at the graphs given in the same topic, these are ranges for an altitude of 25 km, for an altitude of 10 km and 60 km, it is not recruited for a non-maneuvering target.
  27. Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 14 January 2021 15: 41
    -1
    Eugene article super thank you very much for the article.
    1. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 15 January 2021 21: 10
      0
      +100500 pardon .... You, apparently, read Damantsev for the first time ??? request They (his articles) do not carry any semantic meaning. The author boasts and takes pride in his "erudition". After all, these horrifying details of the articles and indices of the GRAU (what it is - I can explain it, if interested, but only in drugs) are not understandable and interesting to anyone. Yes, and Damantsev's comparison of two non-intersecting media is his "hobbyhorse" (smelly with liquid) ... He can do that !!! repeat