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Spanish press: Despite the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, England and France did not declare war on the USSR

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In 1939-1941, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allegedly allies. And the discord between them occurred after "Stalin's annexation of Romanian Bukovina to the USSR and the threat of seizing oil wells in Ploiesti, which were of strategic importance for the Nazi army."


This opinion was expressed by Sergi Vich in his article published in the Spanish newspaper La Vanguardia.

He writes that Britain and France on the eve of World War II understood that the outcome of the upcoming conflict primarily depended on how the Soviet Union would behave. They hoped that the USSR would oppose the Nazis, since there was a deep ideological abyss between Moscow and Berlin. After all, under the "Anti-Comintern Pact", which united Germany, Italy and Japan, was the personal signature of the leader of the Third Reich.

The Spanish press claims that London and Paris underestimated Moscow and Berlin, which overstepped their own principles and were able to come to an agreement between themselves by signing an agreement later called the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

It was concluded on August 23, 1939, a week before the start of World War II. The secret protocol attached to the treaty provided for the division of Eastern Europe into spheres of influence between the USSR and Germany.

Upon learning of this agreement, France and Britain were shocked, according to the Spanish author. London and Paris stopped negotiations with Moscow, and in Warsaw, already foreseeing a catastrophe, they were preparing for an attack from the west and east.

The author of the material in the Spanish press does not write, and why weren't they shocked in Paris and London when their authorities signed their pacts with the Nazis - in particular, the speech about the Munich Agreement ...

Since the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Wich writes, German newspapers have stopped criticizing the USSR, and the Kremlin has called on the foreign parties of the Comintern to stop criticizing the Nazis.

In London and Paris, learning about the treaty, they perceived it as a military alliance between Germany and the Soviet Union. But despite the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, England and France did not declare war on the USSR. It seems that the Spanish author is surprised by this fact.

But Berlin's good relations with Moscow did not last long, after which discord ensued. Its cause, according to Wich, was Stalin's excessive appetites. Instead of taking only Bessarabia from Romania, as agreed, he "seized Bukovina," from where the oil fields vital to the Wehrmacht were within easy reach. True, the author "modestly" is silent that the Nazis did not follow the treaty very precisely, secretly helping Finland in the Winter War, which was part of the Soviet sphere of influence under the treaty.

Be that as it may, on June 22, 1941, Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union, and the Red Army became the main enemy of the Nazis in World War II, forcing them to eventually surrender in May 1945.

It is worth noting that the article in the Spanish press is clearly aimed at trying to equate the USSR and Hitler's Germany. And this is done in order to belittle the role of the Soviet Union in the defeat of Nazism.
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  1. yfast
    yfast 4 January 2021 16: 08
    -32%
    Just like Putin-Erdogan. Nothing in common, but come on, ally.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2021 16: 22
      +18
      Quote: yfast
      and in Warsaw, already foreseeing a catastrophe, they were preparing for an attack from the west and east.

      Duc Poles, after a piece of what they received during the partition of Czechoslovakia, were already raving about a parade in Berlin! laughing
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 4 January 2021 16: 33
        +1
        The secret protocol is a fake. That is why it is secret so that no one can see it. And for some reason, in 1948, he surfaced in the USA and was told about him by the Washington magazine. Doesn't this surprise the Spanish author? If only the forgers would ask how Molotov's signature looks!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 January 2021 16: 42
          +3
          "for some reason in 1948 surfaced in the United States and the Washington magazine told about him" ///
          -----
          Because the archives of the German Foreign Ministry were taken out to the USA.
          They were gradually sorted out and stumbled upon the text of the agreement and annexes
          in German.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 4 January 2021 16: 52
            +3
            Do you yourself believe in it? Hitler's memoirs, compared to this protocol, are an example of a quality falsification! There are so many inconsistencies !!!!
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "for some reason in 1948 surfaced in the United States and the Washington magazine told about him" ///
            -----
            Because the archives of the German Foreign Ministry were taken out to the USA.
            They were gradually sorted out and stumbled upon the text of the agreement and annexes
            in German.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 4 January 2021 17: 14
              +15
              There are only two leaves. Russia officially recognized them,
              and published the Russian text from the archives of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

              Here are the texts in German and Russian:

              1. meandr51
                meandr51 4 January 2021 17: 34
                +12
                The Russian Federation and the Katyn execution under Yeltsin recognized. And much more. The power will change - everything will be canceled, and the copies will be recognized as fakes, which they are.
                1. Proxima
                  Proxima 4 January 2021 19: 58
                  +4
                  Quote: meandr51
                  The Russian Federation and the Katyn execution under Yeltsin recognized. And much more. The power will change - everything will be canceled, and the copies will be recognized as fakes, which they are.

                  Right! Akhedzhakov still needs to ask, she will repent for all the sins of mankind!
                2. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 4 January 2021 20: 02
                  +10
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Here are the texts in German and Russian:

                  It is curious that in the German version, Molotov's signature is in German letters.
                  Did Molotov always sign for foreigners in their language?
                  Or, all the same, in Russian?
                  bully
                  1. Cutter
                    Cutter 4 January 2021 22: 48
                    0
                    But despite the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, England and France did not declare war on the USSR

                    They knew Hitler's next target was the USSR. Waiting ...
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 11: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: Cutter
                      But despite the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, England and France did not declare war on the USSR

                      They knew Hitler's next target was the USSR. Waiting ...

                      It is especially teasing that Soviet Russia LAST in Europe signed a similar agreement with Germany. And, nevertheless, we are accomplices of Germany (although everyone knows perfectly well who pumped Germany with money and that Ford, for example, until September 1944, was making a profit from his capital invested in the German auto industry. The hucksters have no nationality and no passport?... Can you ask one question about what is called the "Munich Agreement" in Soviet historiography? Where did Germany launch its claws as a result of this "treaty, and who (whose signatures were on the treaty) preferred to look not at the aggressor, but at the fence?"
                3. kig
                  kig 5 January 2021 03: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: meandr51
                  Power will change - everything will be canceled,

                  And the historical truth will prevail.
              2. askort154
                askort154 4 January 2021 17: 43
                +4
                oyaka uh ....Because the archives of the German Foreign Ministry were taken out to the USA.

                Of course, the USSR hastily took Berlin to give the Americans an opportunity to "rummage" around the offices of the German Foreign Ministry.
                Do you yourself believe that?

                Here are the texts in German and Russian:

                Alexey, but this is naive. In this age of technology,
                as "evidence", refer to "leaflets" from the Internet. hi
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 17: 51
                  +5
                  Quote: askort154
                  Of course, the USSR hastily took Berlin to give the Americans an opportunity to "rummage" around the offices of the German Foreign Ministry.

                  For the sake of justice. There were four zones of occupation in Germany. Where were the documents?
                  1. Akuzenka
                    Akuzenka 4 January 2021 18: 18
                    +2
                    These zones appeared after the capture of Berlin, by the good will of the USSR.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 18: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      These zones appeared after the capture of Berlin, by the good will of the USSR.

                      Couldn't the Germans evacuate them?
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 4 January 2021 18: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Couldn't the Germans evacuate them?

                        Well, if the guy from Braunau did not have time to evacuate, then the archive and even more so.
                  2. askort154
                    askort154 4 January 2021 18: 18
                    +5
                    Mordvin 3 ... [i] .. For the sake of justice. There were four zones of occupation in Germany. Where were the documents? / I]

                    And if it is even "fairer", then Berlin was divided into occupation zones, already in June 1948. wink hi
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 18: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: askort154
                      And if it is even "fairer", then Berlin was divided into occupation zones, already in June 1948.

                      I know. Question: The Germans could not evacuate the documents? They knew how to hide well. They are still looking for the Amber Room.
                      1. askort154
                        askort154 4 January 2021 18: 33
                        +1
                        Mordvin 3 ....I know. Question: The Germans could not evacuate the documents?

                        Bormann saved the party's cashier in advance. Drag the Foreign Ministry
                        suitcases, under fire, there were no volunteers. All important documents are stored in Moscow. Putin, on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Victory, gave the command to declassify everything related to the outbreak of the war. Therefore, the West is trying to "erase" its tracks. Poland is especially trying. Because at the very snout in the fascist feces. "The Amber Room",
                        this is from another opera, it has nothing to do with politics. hi
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 18: 46
                        +5
                        Quote: askort154
                        Drag the Foreign Ministry
                        suitcases, under fire, there were no volunteers. All important documents are stored in Moscow.

                        And I will give you an example with the FAU-2. When ours seized the Pemenünde plant, there were missiles there, but there were no documents. None. Looks like Bormann not only saved the cash register. And for some reason, the Americans turned out to have von Braun.
                      3. askort154
                        askort154 4 January 2021 19: 05
                        +6
                        Mordvin 3 And I will give you an example with the FAU-2. When ours seized the Pemenünde plant, there were missiles there, but there were no documents.

                        The Americans were the first to take over the plant. All they needed was taken out with Brown. And only after that, our delegation headed by Korolev (he was incognito) arrived there. We were left with "crumbs", mostly disassembled. But we took out quite a few, and along the way we took out more than 2 hundred rocket specialists with their families. hi
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 19: 11
                        0
                        Quote: askort154
                        The Americans were the first to take over the plant. All they needed was taken out with Brown. And only after that, our delegation arrived there

                        Yes. Didn't know, or forgot. But among other things, the Germans and the Japanese supplied the FAU. Operation Shadow Yamato.
                      5. zenion
                        zenion 5 January 2021 14: 15
                        0
                        Peenemünde was not far from Poland, but the Americans did not get there. We got to factories in the mountains, factories cut down in the rocks. But missiles in America fell. The main thing in any invention is to be able to create what a genius has invented. So to speak - a technological process.
                    2. Unknown
                      Unknown 4 January 2021 20: 32
                      +4
                      Quote: askort154
                      The Americans were the first to take over the plant. All they needed was taken out with Brown. And only after that, our delegation headed by Korolev (he was incognito) arrived there. We were left with "crumbs", mostly disassembled. But we took out quite a few, and along the way we took out more than 2 hundred rocket specialists with their families
                      Let me ask you, where did you get such detailed information? As far as I know, Peenemünde entered the Soviet zone of occupation, and was occupied by the advancing Soviet troops on March 10. 1945 of the year. And even earlier on February 14, the last V-2 rocket launches from Peenemünde. By this time, almost all of the valuable equipment and documentation had already been packed and prepared for transportation. On February 17, convoys and train trains with all archives and equipment, as well as landfill specialists led by Walter Dornberger and Werner von Braun, left Usedom. We ask the question where the Americans are from?
                  3. zenion
                    zenion 5 January 2021 14: 12
                    0
                    Quite strange with von Braun. In Germany, his rockets flew. They stopped flying in America, but began to fly to the USSR. Brown himself admitted that, while still young, he trained in the USSR with the famous rocket creator, who described about liquid-fuel and solid-fuel rockets. From his descriptions, Katyushas appeared, with rockets. It came to the Germans, but later. The Americans received as a gift how to make jet supplies for such artillery. But Stalin was not that kind. He didn't even give anyone a hint about gunpowder for Katyusha missiles.
              3. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 4 January 2021 18: 39
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Couldn't the Germans evacuate the documents? They were good at hiding. They are still looking for the Amber Room.

                When there was to hide, when the noose was already hanging over my head. If there was time, then Hitler and Goebbels would probably have sat elsewhere. Here is the Amber Room from 1941, it could have been hidden well, so they still won't find it.
              4. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 18: 52
                +3
                Quote: tihonmarine
                When there was to hide, when the noose was already hanging over my head.

                Nonetheless. The coffin with Ferdinand was dragged and moved to the last. So that he calmed down in Valhalla.
              5. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 4 January 2021 19: 11
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Nonetheless. The coffin with Ferdinand was dragged and moved to the last. So that he calmed down in Valhalla.

                But the Promethean archives fell into the hands of "Smersh", despite all the efforts.
              6. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 19: 15
                +1
                Quote: tihonmarine
                But the Promethean archives fell into the hands of "Smersh", despite all the efforts.

                Wait a minute. Back in the USSR, I read a book about the OUN-Unso, where it was stated that the Germans handed over the lists of Bandera to the Americans.
              7. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 4 January 2021 20: 17
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Back in the USSR, I read a book about the OUN-Unso, where it was indicated that the Germans handed over the lists of Bandera to the Americans.

                Americans and Canadians.
              8. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 21: 20
                0
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Americans and Canadians.

                The American resident even came to Ukraine and slept in a dugout. In a sack of eider down. I remembered this.
              9. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 5 January 2021 08: 54
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                In a sack of eider down. I remembered this.

                Loved and love 404 to spread a feather bed under the American ass.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 4 January 2021 20: 19
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            that the Germans handed over the lists of Bandera to the Americans.

            Except for the SBU officers.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 4 January 2021 17: 51
    +3
    Is it worth even paying attention to yet another Western nonsense about the USSR and Stalin? It is far from the last! yes
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 4 January 2021 18: 20
      +7
      If you do not turn or refute, then with time (small), the apologists of the Western "truth", will write that they did not object - it means the truth. And the Western propaganda machine is very powerful. It works especially well on highly specialized brains.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 January 2021 18: 48
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      Is it worth even paying attention to yet another Western nonsense about the USSR and Stalin? It is far from the last!

      True, this is not the first and not the last nonsense, but well edited from a Western perspective. Everyone sees only the pact, but no one will write down why the treaty itself appeared at all. Although the West knows a lot, and most of all know, Britain, Poland and France.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 5 January 2021 04: 37
    0
    Quote: askort154
    Alexey, but this is naive. In this age of technology,
    as "evidence", refer to "leaflets" from the Internet.

    Come on, here a born Kenyan, a year and a half after his entry into the White House, was retroactively given a Hawaiian birth certificate. Although, in theory, he should have submitted this document before the elections, and without this he would not have had the right to run. But no one reproached him with Kenyan origin, because it would be branded racism.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 4 January 2021 18: 17
    0
    Here are the texts in German and Russian:
    As Popandupolo said, "Take everything, and I'll draw another one for myself."
    Strange, you believe in all the illogical abominations against the USSR, although there are a lot of facts around that the West fabricates these abominations, and what it does, it attributes its abominations to the USSR, and now the Russian Federation. Amazing consistency. Hayley likely, comfortable, nicht wahr? And if you pay money, you recognize the genocide of the Arabs during the Crusades and the eating of Arab babies, fried or raw. Another thing is that no one needs it, so they don't pay. So they don't write.
  • iouris
    iouris 5 January 2021 12: 32
    0
    What is the problem? Obama's grandfather freed Auschwitz?
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 4 January 2021 17: 38
    +14
    Let's not do it. The protocol was.
    The question is that other countries have concluded the same agreements. Recall the Sudetenland given away by England and France
    1. igordok
      igordok 4 January 2021 18: 16
      +1
      Upon learning of this agreement, France and Britain were shocked, according to the Spanish author. London and Paris stopped negotiations with Moscow, and in Warsaw, already foreseeing a catastrophe, they were preparing for an attack from the west and east.
      Quote: Andre___86
      The protocol was.
      The question is that other countries have concluded the same agreements. Recall the Sudetenland given away by England and France

      Ie. there was no secret, especially.
      1. Cheerock
        Cheerock 5 January 2021 01: 43
        +5
        London and Paris stopped negotiations with Moscow quite earlier, having signed a trilateral agreement with Poland, to which Moscow was never invited. Where do they even get these historians who are failing?
  • Machito
    Machito 4 January 2021 17: 09
    +16
    History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. And secret protocols were found in the United States after the start of the Cold War. As Ostap Bender said: With a stamp developed in the West, you can print any passport.
    Nevertheless, the Spanish author is asking the right questions: Why didn't Britain and France declare war on the USSR? Why did they fight the Strange War against Germany? Obviously, the Franks and the Britons hoped to knock Hitler and Stalin, who rolled out the Kwantung Army of Japan in one week. But the Spanish author is not at all concerned with the issue of participation in the battles against the Red Army of the Spanish Blue Division near Novgorod.
    And yes, despite the two-faced policy of Spain in WWII, I consider it an ally of Nazi Germany and Hitler, as well as other Swedes. The entire Hitlerite European Union fought against the USSR. And why should the Germans alone bear the blame for the crimes committed against my people? All Europeans, with rare exceptions, were Hitler's accomplices. And only, the threatening punishment for their crimes in the USSR, forced them to change their shoes in the air, and organize their insignificant resistance.
    We are not vindictive, but long-remembered.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 4 January 2021 17: 35
      -3
      Yes, and don't anger our Iskander ...
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 4 January 2021 17: 48
      +7
      Why did Great Britain and France not declare war on the USSR?

      In fact, they were going to ... Otherwise, why did they transfer bombing squadrons to the Middle East and flew to reconnoitre Baku? Judging by the documents published by Germany after the defeat of France - Operation Pike was planned for the beginning of the summer of 1940 .. And it seems like no one refuted these documents ..
      1. Machito
        Machito 4 January 2021 18: 00
        +2
        To promise is not to marry. Everyone had a huge plan, but what happened happened. They declared war on Germany a few days after the attack on Poland, but they did not start fighting with it until Germany kicked them out of Dunkirk. France and Great Britain were afraid of the alliance between Hitler and Stalin to trembling knees and did everything possible to prevent this from happening. If the USSR became an ally of the Third Reich, the history of Great Britain and the rest of Europe would end in 1940.
        And now deceitful Europe - Hitler's ally, to please its aggressive plans, is trying to distort history and equate Stalin with Hitler.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 January 2021 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: Bearded
      All Europeans, with rare exceptions, were Hitler's accomplices.

      If I am not mistaken, only the Greeks and Serbs were not accomplices.
      1. Machito
        Machito 4 January 2021 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Bearded
        All Europeans, with rare exceptions, were Hitler's accomplices.

        If I am not mistaken, only the Greeks and Serbs were not accomplices.

        That's it. They are for us now. Why? And in WWI they were for us. Maybe it's because they treat us like friends. And the rest of fascist Europe is just waiting for the moment to attack us, burn, plunder, kill. But they are afraid of us. They are afraid that we ourselves will kill them all, as has happened more than once.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 January 2021 20: 24
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          And the rest of fascist Europe is just waiting for the moment to attack us, burn, plunder, kill.

          One part was pro-fascist, and the second part was "second-rate states".
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 4 January 2021 21: 43
      +6
      Quote: Bearded
      Nevertheless, the Spanish author is asking the right questions: Why didn't Britain and France declare war on the USSR?

      The author's question is absolutely stupid: with what fright, in Peaceful time 23 August 1939 England and France ..... would declare war on the USSR? Because of which?

      The author is lying about the reaction to the PfP as a military alliance: no one knew about the protocols, and London and Paris had exactly the same Pacts with Germany.

      Another question is that they could declare war on September 17, 1939, when ours entered western Ukraine and Belarus. BUT, and then they did not do it, FULLY recognizing by this the justice of the actions of the USSR. For Hitler got less than Poland and the USSR secured itself.
      Quote: Bearded
      Why did they fight the Strange War against Germany? Obviously, the Franks and Britons hoped to knock Hitler and Stalin with their heads,

      The answer is banally simple: they absolutely did NOT want to fight, especially for some Poles, see. debates in French Parliament. They were ready to surrender EVERYTHING, as long as they were not touched by Germany. For the same reason, Fanozia itself was handed over
      Quote: Bearded
      And why should the Germans alone bear the blame for the crimes committed against my people? All Europeans, with rare exceptions, were Hitler's accomplices. And only, the threatening punishment for their crimes in the USSR, forced them to change their shoes in the air and organize their insignificant resistance.
      We are not vindictive, but long-remembered.

      Alas, not so: the wild atrocities of the Romanians, Hungarians, Croats and others were forgiven and were hushed up by us in the name of "friendship", while the amusing euro "resistance" we inflated as serious. And today, thanks to our efforts, they are ... innocent lamb suffered from the USSR.

      Today they are, yes, poke documents and facts in the mug, but the road is a spoon for dinner.

      And since 1944, they had to beat and beat backhand on the tinsel with their nefariousness, so that they still repent and pay, pay and pay! For they have no forgiveness
      1. Machito
        Machito 4 January 2021 21: 50
        0
        Once in a hundred years, the fascist Europe of Sigismund, Karl, Napoleon and other Hitlers gathers with force to destroy the Russians. Soon it will be a hundred years after another attempt. We must prepare. Just no longer need to build out of ourselves as humanists, we need to destroy the fascist Europeans once and for all.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 4 January 2021 23: 32
          +1
          Quote: Bearded
          Just no longer need to build humanists out of ourselves, we need to destroy the fascist Europeans once and for all.

          And already without any on June 22, August 1, etc.

          After all these attacks on Russia, she is entitled to a preemptive strike on June 21 or July 30
    5. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 5 January 2021 02: 54
      0
      Quote: Bearded
      Nevertheless, the Spanish author is asking the right questions: Why didn't Britain and France declare war on the USSR?

      well, in principle, this is understandable. they were busy. they threatened Czechoslovakia with a declaration of war in case of resistance to Hitler's troops wink
      Quote: Bearded
      And why should the Germans alone bear the blame for the crimes committed against my people?
      by the way, in view of the appearance of such articles, a very timely question! good
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 4 January 2021 18: 16
    +7
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Because the archives of the German Foreign Ministry were taken out to the USA.

    Did you understand what you wrote?
    Who allowed the Yankees to take out documents from the Imperial German Foreign Ministry?
    We took Berlin and we took out ALL documents, and what we did not take out, we burned. And the ministry was next to the Fuhrer's bunker. So, no one allowed the ams there. Zhukov allowed them at the end of May 1945 to take photographs from the air in order to further determine the sector (!) Of occupation in West Berlin.
    Here is a photo of the location of buildings on a map of Berlin in 1943,

    Number 3 is the Reich Imperial Foreign Office building.
    More image links: 2 - this was the headquarters of Albert Speer, and 3 - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Joachim Ribbentrop), and both faced the Wilhelmstrasse, which passes just behind those gray houses. Both buildings were badly damaged. And even more to the right of the number 3 (behind the scenes) - there is already the Fuhrer's bunker,
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 4 January 2021 22: 08
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Who allowed the Yankees to take out documents from the Imperial German Foreign Ministry?

      The Germans took them out to Thuringia in 1945 in March 9th among the most important docks. Where the documents fell into the hands of amers

      But the original of the secret protocol is NO, it was burnt under the bombing in 1944, there is only the Pact itself. Remaining only the film copies, which Ribbentrop ordered to make in 1943 after the bombing of Berlin.

      For details see https://rg.ru/2019/08/30/rodina-dogovor-o-nenapadenii-1939-goda.html
  • Ascold1901
    Ascold1901 4 January 2021 17: 29
    +6
    What's wrong with this protocol? Separation of spheres of influence. The USSR really needed it.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 January 2021 19: 23
      0
      Quote: Ascold1901
      Separation of spheres of influence. The USSR really needed it.

      The spheres of influence were stripped apart without the USSR, to which they silently gave, only something that belonged to the Russian Empire, and not very necessary for the West.
      1. Ascold1901
        Ascold1901 4 January 2021 21: 03
        +1
        Try to reread what you write. Then, probably, you will not write nonsense.
        Who "... undressed without the USSR ...", and who "silently gave", what is the West?)) You probably forgot that this is an agreement between the reviving empires - the USSR and the Reich. Okay, I will not go deeper, it is still useless to explain something to you.))))
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 January 2021 08: 51
          +1
          Quote: Ascold1901
          Okay, I will not go deep, it is still useless to explain something to you.

          It is difficult for me to explain, as well as to you. The world gave Hitler all of Europe, and Stalin took, according to the Pact, only the old territories of Ingushetia.
          1. Ascold1901
            Ascold1901 5 January 2021 10: 44
            +1
            With history, everything is running.)))) By August 1939, the Reich regained only the territory of the GI and the remnants of the AVI - the Czech Republic, Austria and control of the Rhine. What kind of "all of Europe" are you talking about?))) What kind of World GIVED Europe?))) You live in an alternative history! The defeat of ambitious Poland in a month, the defeat of France and the troops of England in a little over a month and the flight from Dunkirk, the occupation of Norway - your story is gone! Come back to reality!)))
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 4 January 2021 17: 33
    +5
    Quote: Proxima
    The secret protocol is a fake. That's why it is secret so that no one can see it.

    Here is a clear account of this pact:
    1. Ascold1901
      Ascold1901 4 January 2021 21: 04
      +1
      A wonderful channel!)))) I watch with pleasure.))))
  • poquello
    poquello 4 January 2021 16: 34
    +21
    "In 1933, Poland became the first state to establish friendly relations with them immediately after the Nazis came to power. After Germany's withdrawal from the League of Nations on October 14, 1933, Polish diplomacy voluntarily assumed the protection of its interests in this organization.
    On January 26, 1934, Poland was the first in Europe to sign a Declaration or Non-Aggression Pact for a period of 10 years with Nazi Germany. The secret part of the Declaration contained an agreement on mutual military assistance and the division of spheres of influence. "...
    .. "On January 26, 1939, Beck told Ribbentrop that Poland's main goal was" to weaken and defeat Russia "and that she intends to claim Soviet Ukraine and access to the Black Sea. It is known that on March 4, 1939, the Polish military command prepared a war plan from the USSR under the name Wschód ("East".). "
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 4 January 2021 16: 47
      +7
      And yet, Poland used (this was the only case in WWII) in a field battle with chemical weapons! And yet, the Poles are more guilty of the Holocaust than the Nazis. So, they have nothing to do with themselves white and fluffy! negative
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 January 2021 19: 37
      +2
      Quote: poquello
      It is known that on March 4, 1939, the Polish military command prepared a plan for a war with the USSR called Wschód (East). "

      Well, not just out of nowhere, before the start of World War II, the "Prophecy from Tengobozh" was popular in Poland ...
      Poland will rise from sea to sea
      Expect this half a century
      The mercy of God will always keep us
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 4 January 2021 21: 45
    +3
    Wow...
    What a selective memory!

    And the author forgot about the fact that the USSR was the last to sign the non-aggression pact, which was also called a "pact" later.

    And about the partition of Czechoslovakia, somehow, too, not a word. Poland - a sinless sacrifice led by the angel Pilsudski? So yes?

    And he does not mention Churchill's "unthinkable" plan at the end of the war, which also says a lot about "allies" ...

    In general, a one-sided and flawed view of history ... A European-style politically correct and tolerant approach.
    In the worst possible sense ...
  • figwam
    figwam 4 January 2021 16: 28
    +1
    Quote: yfast
    Just like Putin-Erdogan.

    Situational and forced partnership.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 4 January 2021 16: 16
    -4
    The author of the material in the Spanish press does not write, and why weren't they shocked in Paris and London when their authorities signed their pacts with the Nazis - in particular, the speech about the Munich Agreement ...
    And why should he remember something like that? It is not profitable for him to know something like that. As well as throughout Europe. And our government is ashamed of "partners" in such a poke, because they themselves have a stigma in the gun, about the "equal sign".
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 4 January 2021 16: 30
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The author of the material in the Spanish press does not write, and why weren't they shocked in Paris and London when their authorities signed their pacts with the Nazis - in particular, the speech about the Munich Agreement ...

      Perhaps it all started even earlier ... Foch in Compiegne said - this is not peace, this is a truce for 20 years!
    2. figwam
      figwam 4 January 2021 16: 33
      +6
      The author of the material in the Spanish press does not write, and why weren't they shocked in Paris and London when their authorities signed their pacts with the Nazis - in particular, the speech about the Munich Agreement ...

      All signed their pacts in advance in the hope of pitting Germany and the USSR in the war.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 4 January 2021 16: 19
    0
    A little clarification. For the Spanish press. The Second World War began not at all a week after the signing of the aforementioned document, but 10 days later.
    But as a solidarity with the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition, which Spain is not part of, we agree with the date of September 1.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 5 January 2021 03: 06
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      But as a solidarity with the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition, which Spain is not part of, we agree with the date of September 1.

      solidarity? what more! these Western rogues were involved in both the attack of Japan (the Axis countries) on China, and then in the capture of Czechoslovakia by Hitler. All this bullshit about 1939 was invented only to relieve the West of responsibility for the bloody events of that time. so the beginning of this tragedy is July 7, 1937.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 5 January 2021 06: 02
        +2
        Quote: SanichSan
        all this bullshit about 1939 was invented only in order to relieve the West from responsibility for the bloody events of that time. so the beginning of this tragedy is July 7, 1937.

        You can justly remember 1932. September 3, 1939 - the date from which France and England officially entered the war. In China, the same hostilities began in 1928 (CER), officially ended in 1951 (Tibet).
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 7 January 2021 19: 42
          -1
          Quote: Humpty
          September 3, 1939 - the date from which France and England officially entered the war.

          actually I am writing about this. this is the date from which the flirtation of the West with Hitler ended, but by this moment the hostilities were already in full swing. and for some reason diplomatic coercion of Czechoslovakia to surrender to Germany and Poland, carried out by England and France in the war, is not recorded request
          I am for the real story. if we need to know the actual state of affairs, then the approach "well, there really is a fig with you, lie, but this is too much" does not fit. you need to insist on facts! soldier
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 4 January 2021 16: 19
    +3
    Recently, there have been a lot of pseudo-historians who are trying to turn many historical questions upside down, especially with regard to the Second World War. Some generally present some things as if they were present and important political issues were discussed by politicians of that time. Such paid "historians" do not inspire confidence, and their writings are worthless, which equates the Soviet Union to Nazi Germany.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 January 2021 19: 47
      +1
      Quote: Thought Giant
      Such paid "historians" do not inspire confidence, and their writings are worthless, which equates the Soviet Union to Nazi Germany.

      The USSR is gone, and no one will tell the truth now, although some are trying.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 4 January 2021 16: 21
    +3
    The West always sees only what is convenient ... WWII took place thanks to the Munich Agreement, no matter what different politicians "with low social responsibility" would declare ... pushing and encouraging Germany to war in the East ... The USSR was the last European country to conclude a non-aggression pact and thus gained time to prepare for a war against fascism ... that there would be a war, no one doubted the USSR
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 January 2021 16: 24
    -3
    Why doesn't the Spanish press want to remember and speculate about how, three years before the start of the Second World War, Spain helped Nazi Germany to sharpen their sword, becoming a testing ground for tactics? And how, after these experiments, the Luftwaffe began to wipe out cities in Europe and the USSR?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 January 2021 19: 05
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And why the Spanish press does not want to remember and speculate on the topic,

      for example, the "Blue Division", which was armed with donkeys!
      But the rest should be approached specifically historically. Here you write:
      Spain helped Nazi Germany sharpen their sword, becoming a testing ground for tactics? And how, after these experiments, the Luftwaffe began to wipe cities in Europe and the USSR from the face of the earth?

      Then we should remember about the Lipetsk Pilot School and the Kazan Tank School ... By the way, about the birds! At the time of EBN, we had an American base (somewhere near Ulyanovsk, I think), for transshipment of goods and equipment to Afghanistan ... But it does not follow from this that we helped the Yankees grow drugs in the Afghan fields and transport it to Europe. ..
      Why am I writing about this. You need to be objective and historically specific in defending the historical truth. And it is this: Hitler was never able to persuade Franco to get head over heels into the war with the USSR. Spain has remained neutral! The Spaniards are very conscientious and courageous people (I know from my own experience!), And they never forgot who came to the aid of the republic. Who saved their children from fascism ... They still treat us warmly. And these are not empty words.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 January 2021 19: 50
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Who saved their children from fascism ... They still treat us warmly.

        And some children and their descendants still live in the former USSR.
      2. KERMET
        KERMET 4 January 2021 20: 33
        +1
        If you have already remembered the Lipetsk and Kazan schools - remember at the same time when and why they were closed, it is useful to remember the history before writing comments
      3. don-1500
        don-1500 5 January 2021 03: 49
        0
        EBN is out of business here, the Americans entered Afghan a little later.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 4 January 2021 16: 25
    +4
    The most standard Western propaganda. The Soviet-German non-aggression pact is absolutely hateful to them, how many years have passed, and they are all emitting bile and hysteria about this.
    It is understandable. The great plan to destroy the USSR with the help of Nazi Germany screwed up. And what a beautiful idea, how they tried, but the insidious dictator Stalin reached out. How can you not hate him?
    By the way, the attitude towards this treaty (as well as towards the Brest Peace Treaty that saved Soviet Russia in 1918) is an excellent indicator of real patriotism within the country. Our internal anti-Soviet and Russophobes hate him no less than the Western public.
    1. poquello
      poquello 4 January 2021 17: 42
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey
      By the way, the attitude towards this treaty (as well as towards the Brest Peace Treaty that saved Soviet Russia in 1918) is an excellent indicator of real patriotism within the country. Our internal anti-Soviet and Russophobes hate him no less than the Western public.

      by the way, there is no need to lead the shameful Brest-Litovsk peace to something heroic, the Bolsheviks have already pumped the territory for the sake of power.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 4 January 2021 17: 52
        +2
        Quote: poquello
        by the way, there is no need to lead the shameful Brest-Litovsk peace to something heroic, the Bolsheviks have already pumped the territory for the sake of power.

        Well, one was revealed smile
        There was nothing "heroic" in him, just as there was nothing "heroic" in the Soviet-German non-aggression pact.
        But it was necessary and salutary both for Socialism and for Russia. That is why all anti-Sovietists and Russophobes get rid of him like the devil from incense. Exactly the same with the 1939 "pact".
        1. poquello
          poquello 4 January 2021 18: 16
          -2
          Quote: Odyssey
          it was necessary and salutary for both Socialism and Russia.

          yes yes, like all revolutions))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), as a result of the withdrawal from the war Russia not only lost claims to all the lands that she fought, and this is the Bosphorus, Galicia, Carpathia, Bukovina, but also lost Poland, Lithuania, claims to Ukraine, part of Lithuania, Belarus and the Caucasus. Oh how good, oh how patriotic!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 January 2021 19: 56
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      The great plan to destroy the USSR with the help of Nazi Germany screwed up.

      And how many hopes, even the limitrophes and the very weak, were sucked into the 3rd Reich. And they dug the earth on him, but to confess the spirit is not enough, but they are dirty as big.
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 5 January 2021 11: 19
      0
      the attitude towards this treaty (as well as towards the Brest Peace that saved Soviet Russia in 1918) is an excellent indicator of real patriotism within the country as well.

      Laughing, patriotism!
      The Brest Treaty is a surrender. The communists disintegrated the army, and when they came to power, they realized that the army no longer exists. I had to capitulate.
      The second treaty is the partition and destruction of Poland.
      And where is patriotism here?
  • svd-xnumx
    svd-xnumx 4 January 2021 16: 30
    +3
    Something strong opponents in Europe were not observed Franco on the "throne" in Spain for the Nazis to plant,
  • Constanty
    Constanty 4 January 2021 16: 34
    +9
    States have no honor - they have interests.

    This is the old truth of politics. Anyone who does not understand this dies or is isolated.

    The speech of the Polish Foreign Minister on May 5, 1939, when he spoke about honor, is considered one of the best speeches of a politician in Poland.

    This is nonsense - this honor was worth 6 million victims.
    Czechs were less noble, and after the war they performed much better.

    And I, as a Pole, could be angry with the British, who pushed Poland to war with Hitler, by giving general guarantees.

    However, I am more irritated by the stupidity of the Polish politicians who took these guarantees seriously, realizing both the potential of the British army (4 divisions !!!) and the traditional way of conducting Albion's policy.

    So, perhaps, the "West" is better off keeping silent about these agreements.

    It is no longer there - these are questions for historians and amateurs, they are used to exacerbate and incite hatred between Poland and Russia - again in their own interests.
    1. Constanty
      Constanty 4 January 2021 17: 05
      +4
      Sorry - I see that the translator has changed the meaning of the end of my speech. The correct ending should probably be like this:

      This past is a question for historians and amateurs. And yet, unfortunately, their policies are used to exacerbate and incite hatred between Poland and Russia - again in their own interests.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 4 January 2021 19: 21
        +2
        Quote: Constanty
        And yet, unfortunately, their policies are used to exacerbate and incite hatred between Poland and Russia - again in their own interests.

        Pan Konstantin, you are right that unscrupulous politicians, pursuing their own selfish goals, are ready to use any excuses in order to please the Americans in today's realities ... I live in the Kaliningrad region, I often visit Poland and have never experienced any either dislike or other negative attitude towards oneself. Therefore, we, the Slavs, still need to remember the times,
        when we stood together in the Battle of Grunwald and about the heroes of the Brest Fortress and Westerplatte! History teaches us to live in peace and harmony with neighbors, then you will have prosperity and peace in your house.
        1. Constanty
          Constanty 4 January 2021 20: 07
          +2
          Wise words !!!
          We need to look for close friends - neighbors - Slavs, and have enemies as far as possible, and not vice versa!
  • Poetry
    Poetry 4 January 2021 16: 36
    +3
    The USSR was the last to sign an agreement with Germany. We needed a little time, we got it. And on all these moral hoopoe, do not care from the high bell tower. If it were not for the opening of the Second Front, we would have reached Portugal, along the way I will turn the head off to General Franco.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 January 2021 16: 53
      +7
      It was necessary, it was not necessary, it was .... before that the USSR tried to build normal relations WITH EVERYONE who are now concerned about our agreement !!! and they all, the majority, preferred to negotiate with Hitler, with all subsequent events!
      It turned out that God marks the rogue and ... punishes.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 4 January 2021 17: 00
        +7
        The Polish leader Piłsudski believed until his death that Hitler would take him with him on a campaign to the East, that is, against us. With such bright thoughts, he fumbled.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 January 2021 17: 11
          +4
          Hitler, of course, still that shot ... but at that moment he showed sanity when he decided that such an ally as Poland ... in short, there would be no benefit, but no harm.
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 4 January 2021 17: 15
            +2
            Please note that most of the concentration camps were built in Poland. Those poor fellows who were dying there knew clearly: even if you get out of there, you can't run far. Rotten folk. People like Rokossovsky are born very rarely. Alas.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 January 2021 17: 22
              +2
              The people, as a people ... education, propaganda, State POLICY !!! They skillfully played on old grievances, fanned them to national scales, turning into personal ones ...
              Now the same thing, the intensity has increased, but this is already progress in the means of communication.
              In such an atmosphere, the brains in a healthy state must be preserved, one must still be able to.
              1. Poetry
                Poetry 4 January 2021 17: 24
                -2
                If a hangover ever comes, it will be very bad.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 4 January 2021 17: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: Poetiszaugla
                  If a hangover ever comes, it will be very bad.

                  For whom will the hard times come? For the top ... so those guys manage to eat, drink, live sweetly ALWAYS!
                  The people ... and when, after what partition, did the peasant / worker feel much worse than before?
                  Here is a separate part of citizens, it could become much worse, but this is a very separate topic!
                  The new elite begins its activity by convincing the MASSES of how bad it was for them to live WITHOUT THEM !!! although this is absolute nonsense! And then, intensive brainwashing and that's it ... they have enemies here and there, but certainly not their local ones .... everything is as always!
                  1. Poetry
                    Poetry 4 January 2021 17: 37
                    -1
                    You can even hang a target on the hump and convince the people that this is the way it should be, for their own safety.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 4 January 2021 17: 53
                      +1
                      It is possible and so, but in this case the reason for confusion in society is still somewhat greater than the top would like.
                      We'll have to invest a lot to prevent confusion.
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 5 January 2021 11: 24
            0
            He needed a corridor to Königsberg. The Poles refused, for which they were punished.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 17: 23
          +3
          Quote: Poetiszaugla
          The Polish leader Piłsudski believed until his death that Hitler ...
          they hoped to the limit themselves to fuck all the Germans and us
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 4 January 2021 17: 27
            -3
            They also hoped that the British would tear them all up for them, if anything.
        3. Constanty
          Constanty 4 January 2021 20: 14
          0
          You are wrong - everything was exactly the opposite.

          Hitler came to power a year and a half before the death of Pilsudski, and the latter did not take Hitler seriously in his calculations.

          Moreover, in the 1930s he was planning not a war in the east, but a "preventive war" against Germany until they got stronger.

          It was Hitler who adored Piłsudski - he even organized a memorial service for him in Berlin, which he personally attended.

    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 January 2021 19: 26
      +2
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      If it were not for the opening of the Second Front, we would have reached Portugal, along the way I will turn the head off to General Franco.

      Colleague, unfortunately you don't know much about the laws of military economics and history, too.
      Spain did not fight against the USSR, unlike the "fraternal" Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and other ATS countries.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 4 January 2021 19: 43
        -3
        Of course, I don't know much about anything, because I'm narrow-minded. But even I understand that our Victory was inevitable, albeit a year and a half later. The "blue" division from Spain helped to strangle besieged Leningrad. In 1944, the Pope served a prayer service for those who took their feet away from here. Plus, our volunteers fought there in the 30s ...
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Spain did not fight against the USSR

        and yet

        BLUE losses in the USSR

        4957 killed
        8766 Wounded
        326 missing
        372 captured (most returned to Spain in 1954).
        1600 got frostbite
        7800 got sick
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 4 January 2021 16: 39
    -3
    It is worth noting that the article in the Spanish press is clearly aimed at trying to equate the USSR and Hitler's Germany.

    It is worth noting that our government itself constantly puts this equal sign. But apparently "this is different."
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 17: 22
      -1
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      It is worth noting that our government itself constantly puts this equal sign. But apparently "this is different."

      Can you give examples when our "power" (I don't quite understand what you put into this word) equals? !!!
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 January 2021 17: 37
        -2
        What is communism for our government? Dictatorship, repression, oppression of our and your freedom, nothing good. And what about fascism? Dictatorship, repression, oppression of our and your freedom, nothing good. Find differences.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 17: 49
          0
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Dictatorship, repression, oppression of our and your freedom, nothing good. Find differences.

          well verbiage is wonderful but ...
          The Constitution of the Russian Federation
          Protection of historical truth

          “The Russian Federation honors the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland, ensures the protection of historical truth. Diminishing the significance of the people's heroic deed in defending the Fatherland is not allowed, ”reads part 3 of Article 671. Before the amendments to this provision were not made in the Constitution.

          Succession with the USSR

          The Basic Law stipulates that our country is the legal successor of the USSR on its territory, as well as the legal successor (successor) of the USSR with regard to membership in international organizations, their bodies, participation in international treaties, as well as in relation to the obligations and assets of the Union provided for by international treaties SSR outside the territory of the Russian Federation.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 4 January 2021 18: 13
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            The Constitution of the Russian Federation

            It's already funny. This constitution is just verbiage.
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            The Russian Federation honors the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and protects the historical truth.

            For example, blocking the Mausoleum. Hanging boards to the Mannerheims. From the first channel broadcasting about the benefits of monuments to the Reds. Erecting Yeltsin centers. Throwing out Soviet symbols, replacing it with St. George ribbons with a vague meaning. It's five.
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            The Basic Law stipulates that our country is the legal successor of the USSR on its territory, as well as the legal successor (successor) of the USSR with regard to membership in international organizations, their bodies, participation in international treaties, as well as in relation to the obligations and assets of the Union provided for by international treaties SSR outside the territory of the Russian Federation.

            Who would doubt that the legal successor in relation to assets. But much more for them is like shackles on their legs from which they really want to get rid of.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 21: 16
              -4
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Throwing out Soviet symbols, replacing it with St. George ribbons with a vague meaning. It's five.

              do not carry bird
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Hanging boards to the Mannerheims.

              and how many BOARDS hangs for mannerheims? !!!!
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Erecting Yeltsin centers.

              Yeltsin is an enemy, what is the connection with Nazism?
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              From the first channel broadcasting about the benefits of monuments to the Reds.

              can I link to the transfer?
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              For example, blocking the Mausoleum.

              let's face it, this is not an equal sign between Nazism and Communism
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              This constitution is just verbiage.

              clear, there are no facts one trolling
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 17: 59
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Find differences.

          I'll find, perhaps. The Germans had Nazism. That is, they are great, and the rest are second class.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 4 January 2021 18: 16
            -1
            These are already insignificant little things. The main thing is that the scoop is bad, and the Russian Federation is good. Well, in the sense that it is more convenient for them to row the loot in their pocket.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 21: 17
              -3
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              The main thing is that the scoop is bad, and the RF is good.

              Do not carry nonsense, at least one direct phrase that asserts can lead or just drooling ?!
  • svp67
    svp67 4 January 2021 16: 40
    +10
    This means that England and France, concluding the "Munich Treaty", giving Germany the most industrially developed regions of Czechoslovakia, they acted normally, as they "pushed" Germany towards a clash with the USSR. How Germany tore Poland to pieces, in fact with the complete connivance of the "allies", this is the same norm. But when the USSR took DIPLOMATIC steps for its own security, this is all, this is a "conspiracy" ... And what else to expect from the descendants of the Spanish Nazis
  • Sayan
    Sayan 4 January 2021 16: 43
    +3
    In a word - vich, what to take from this clicker, about their blue division, keeping quiet, overheating for a siesta
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 January 2021 16: 44
    +1
    It is worth noting that the article in the Spanish press is clearly aimed at trying to equate the USSR and Hitler's Germany.

    Pig under the century old oak
    I have eaten enough acorns to the full;
    After eating, she slept under it;
    Then, having grown up, I got up
    And to dig a snout from Oak roots has become.

    Probably not quite the topic. Maybe not so straightforward and purposeful, BUT !!!
    Wouldn't it have been better for the Spanish press to place signs over (under, near, at, next to ...) the USSR and Germany (Italy) in the events of 1936-1939? belay
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 January 2021 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Wouldn't it have been better for the Spanish press to place signs over (under, near, at, next to ...) the USSR and Germany (Italy) in the events of 1936-1939?

      Yuri Vasilyevich, the coffin with the body of the dictator was removed from the Valley of the Fallen memorial, where the fighters against fascism were buried and transferred to the family crypt. The executioner and the victims are at last (laid to rest) separately.
      A ceremony that was quiet. On the afternoon of October 24, the coffin with the body of the former ruler of Spain, Francisco Franco, was taken out of the mausoleum he built in the Valley of the Fallen and sent to the resting place at the Pardo Mingorrubio cemetery near the capital. The dictator's last journey was accompanied by relatives, a forensic doctor, a priest and the Minister of Justice. The exhumation was banned from filming ...
      Bury the remains non-publicly, with minimal honors, and forget about it as soon as possible. So the Spanish authorities ordered

      And yet, ordinary Spaniards are fair people!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 January 2021 16: 47
    +6
    It was concluded on August 23, 1939, a week before the start of World War II.

    Come to think of it .... oh yes, everyone else, concerned, by that time ALREADY SIGNED THEIR CONTRACTS with Hitler !!! Oh, oh, oh, what a bad luck.
    1. cniza
      cniza 4 January 2021 17: 58
      +4
      But they modestly keep silent about this and that then almost everyone fought on Hitler's side, they also keep silent ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 January 2021 18: 05
        +2
        The generation that remembers how everything was in reality, remembers that we fought against one enemy, practically gone, to eternal rest!
        Now you can "have fun" to the fullest, lie beyond measure, come up with fables !!!
        There are few people to lure into the archives, read the truth, find out how it was.
        So they use, slip "new knowledge", i.e. very big nonsense !!!
        The means of communication have become nimble, all the more they are controlled by specific interested parties .... but they really do not need it, even dangerous, so they slip in an ersatz in which white is black, often black is highlighted to shine!
        1. cniza
          cniza 4 January 2021 18: 11
          +4
          Quote: rocket757

          The means of communication have become nimble, all the more they are controlled by specific interested parties ... but they really do not need it, even dangerous, so they slip an ersatz in which white is black


          This "stick" is double-edged and we need to use it to the fullest so that they do not get too carried away ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 January 2021 18: 19
            +2
            It is clear that the means of communication, the availability of information, is a double-edged phenomenon! But, for now, this is, to a large extent, their field.
            There are really more of them and they do not spend money on it!
            The truth comes to those who are ready to accept it, to understand, but this is not enough. The ratio is 1 to 100, or even more.
            It's hard to overcome this.
            When the USSR was, it could simply by its existence, its successes, influence events in the world ... now everything is much weaker, or even in zero.
            Much needs to be changed in our country, so that foreigners would begin to perceive Russia as something interesting, attractive ... as an example.
            1. cniza
              cniza 4 January 2021 18: 51
              +2
              We need to do our own thing more, and we spend too much on secondary processes and of course it is very difficult for Russia almost alone, but this is not the first time ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 4 January 2021 19: 07
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                we spend too much on secondary processes

                And there is no coherent, understandable policy from the top, so that it would be clear to EVERYONE, they were ready to accept, the majority ... but no, and here NO!
                Quote: cniza
                It is very difficult for Russia almost alone

                Countries, PEOPLES were drawn to the USSR, as such, integral, understandable, attractive ... with Russia this is not observed, in fact, that it is not the Land of Soviets.
                Quote: cniza
                not the first time ...

                Not the first time. It will be hard for the PEOPLE again!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 4 January 2021 20: 39
                  +2
                  People always pay the price ...
  • Avior
    Avior 4 January 2021 16: 56
    +2
    ... In 1939-1941, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allegedly allies.

    Why allies? Were friends!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 January 2021 17: 15
      +7
      You might think that the rest entered into agreements such as "like an enemy with an enemy" .... just polite, games of great uncles. Politics.
      1. cniza
        cniza 4 January 2021 17: 58
        +3
        They are looking for any opportunity to blame Russia ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 January 2021 18: 08
          +1
          Unfortunately, they have the ability to CREATE reasons, reasons and, as a result, turn the brains of so many ...
          They have already twisted their brains, and now they have reached our youth !!!
          Very dangerous! We must beat without any restrictions, everywhere, always, until the very end !!!
          Any imperfections, half measures, to our advantage, will not work for us!
          1. cniza
            cniza 4 January 2021 18: 16
            +1
            Yes, half measures are the scourge of our state, if we do not start hitting them on the heads and not poking our noses into the historical truth, we can again get a war ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 January 2021 18: 23
              +3
              We will have to change a lot ourselves, otherwise we will remain in the role of a scarecrow ...
              It was the USSR that was an example, a hope for many ... Russia, such, cannot be due to the fact that for a person there is no big difference, that they, that we, the capitalist state ... are the same.
              1. cniza
                cniza 4 January 2021 18: 56
                +1
                And we need to change faster, but so far, something is not very ...
      2. Avior
        Avior 4 January 2021 18: 38
        0
        As with each other, not all.
        Most were neutral
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 January 2021 19: 10
          0
          This does not change the essence ... not enemies, that's all.
          Specific formulations are rather for internal use, everyone has their own reasons.
          1. Avior
            Avior 4 January 2021 19: 33
            +1
            This is an international treaty in general, not for internal use.
            Others did not include it, and this is not some kind of formulaic wording.
            This is a friendship agreement, and by no means for domestic consumption, on the contrary, it showed everyone in the world who is a friend here
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 January 2021 21: 05
              0
              Quote: Avior
              showed everyone in the world who is friend here

              Are you serious?
              Quote: Avior
              This is an international treaty actually

              Yes, yes, but none of the politicians thinks about how to present to the masses / voters such a surprise as concluding an agreement with someone who had been branded and scolded before ???
              The Middle Ages are long in the past, when the rulers did things without being interested in the opinion of the masses ... from a certain historical moment, the rulers / leaders / elected persons DIDN'T DO ANYTHING without thinking about how to present this or that to the "court of the masses" ...
              1. Avior
                Avior 4 January 2021 21: 52
                -1
                All this would have been explained to the masses without an agreement.
                But for everyone else, this is a signal, a framework agreement
                Don't you think that such things are simply written in like that?
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 4 January 2021 22: 29
                  0
                  Why do the masses need to explain something without an agreement ??? Here one to the other.
                  For everyone else, is this FOR WHOM? For those who, even under the "sword of Damocles", the threat from the Germans, did not want to negotiate with the USSR about anything ...
                  Well, their upper ones puffed, and when it was pinned, they ran to sign contracts even with their ideological opponents ... it’s unseen.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 17: 21
      +2
      I understand that you do not quite understand diplomatic terms
      1. Avior
        Avior 4 January 2021 18: 39
        0
        Let's see together who had other agreements with Germany about friendship
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 21: 09
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          Let's see together who had other agreements with Germany about friendship

          let's GIVE EXAMPLES
          I've given PHOTO EXAMPLES, including the zigging royal family of Windsor, I can also bring zigging English athletes
          1. Avior
            Avior 4 January 2021 21: 55
            -2
            Are you serious about young children?
            Why did you take the photo right away in the diapers?
            So what about friendship treaties? I wait....
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 22: 33
              0
              Quote: Avior
              So what about friendship treaties? I wait....

              Article I
              Both Contracting Parties undertake to refrain from any violence, from any aggressive action and any attack against each other, both separately and jointly with other powers.

              Article II
              In the event that one of the Contracting Parties becomes the object of military action by a third power, the other Contracting Party will not support this power in any form.

              Article III
              The governments of both Contracting Parties will remain in contact with each other in the future for consultation in order to inform each other about issues affecting their common interests.

              Article IV
              None of the Contracting Parties will participate in any grouping of powers that directly or indirectly directed against the other party.

              Article V
              In the event of a dispute or conflict between Contracting Parties on issues of one kind or another, both parties will resolve these disputes or conflicts exclusively by peaceful means in a friendly exchange of views or, if necessary, by setting up commissions to resolve the conflict.

              Article VI
              This contract is concluded for a period of ten years so that since one of the Contracting Parties does not denounce it a year before the expiration of the term, the contract is automatically renewed for the next five years.

              Article VII.
              This treaty is subject to ratification as soon as possible. The exchange of instruments of ratification must take place in Berlin. The contract enters into force immediately after its signing.

              tell me where there is even a word about friendship? !!!
              1. Avior
                Avior 5 January 2021 00: 04
                -1
                A friendship agreement is a different agreement
                From 28 September 1939 of the year
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 09: 02
                  0
                  Once again, give at least something besides your verbiage, not the contract, give the text of the one you think is necessary
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 5 January 2021 09: 52
                    0
                    I have it in the first post in the picture.
                    Do you even read before you argue?
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 22: 34
              -1
              Anglo-German Declaration

              30 September 1938 of

              We, the German Fuehrer and Chancellor and the British Prime Minister,
              held another meeting today and agreed that the issue
              Anglo-German relations is of paramount importance to both countries and
              for Europe.

              We are considering the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German
              sea ​​agreement as symbolizing the desire of our two
              peoples never again fight each other.

              We made a firm decision to make the consultation method a method
              adopted to consider all other matters that may concern
              our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to 89

              eliminate possible sources of disagreement and thus
              promote peace in Europe.

              A. Hitler Neville Chamberlain

              Source: Year of the crisis, 1938-1939: Documents and materials In 2 volumes. Vol.1. 29
              September 1938 - May 31, 1939 - M .: Politizdat, 1990 .-- P. 29.

              35. Franco-German Declaration

              6th of December 1938

              Mr Georges Bonnet, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the French Republic, and
              Joachim Ribbentrop, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the German Reich,

              acting on behalf of and on behalf of their governments, when meeting in
              In Paris on December 6, 1938, agreed as follows:

              1. The French government and the German government are completely
              share the belief that peaceful and good neighborly relations between
              France and Germany represent one of the most significant
              elements of strengthening the position in Europe and maintaining global peace. Both
              Governments will therefore make every effort to ensure that
              development in this direction of relations between their countries.

              2. Both governments state that there is no
              no more unresolved territorial issues, and
              solemnly acknowledge as final the border between their countries,
              as it currently exists.

              3. Both governments have decided, as this does not affect their particular
              relations with third powers, keep in touch with each other on all
              issues of interest to both their countries, and mutually consult in case
              if the subsequent development of these issues could lead to
              international complications.

              In witness whereof the representatives of both Governments signed
              this declaration, which takes effect immediately.

              Done in duplicate, in the French and German languages, in
              Paris December 6, 1938

              Georges Bonnet Joachim von Ribbentrop

              Source: Year of Crisis, 1938-1939: Documents and Materials. In 2 volumes.Vol. 1. 29
              September 1938 - May 31, 1939 - M: Politizdat, 1990 .-- S. 136-137
              1. Avior
                Avior 5 January 2021 00: 03
                -1
                Not a word about friendship.
                Unlike the Soviet-German Treaty of Friendship and the Border of 1939 dated September 28.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 09: 06
                  0
                  zadolbal, you do not know the topic quietly keep quiet
                  friendly relations, between countries this is NOT a WAR
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 5 January 2021 09: 50
                    0
                    What, does it burn like that?
                    Come back to reality - there was such an agreement, you cannot throw it out of history. There were no such agreements with others, which means that this is not an empty diplomatic curtsey, otherwise it would have been included in other agreements.
                    Now that you know the fact, proceed from it, and don't stick your head in the sand ...
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 4 January 2021 17: 33
      +3
      The diplomatic formulation about friendship in reality has nothing to do with friendship, it only means the absence of hostile intentions.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 January 2021 17: 56
        0
        It is not uncommon that conversations about "friendship" are accompanied by a big fig in your pocket or behind your back.
        Big uncles, their games are different.
      2. Avior
        Avior 4 January 2021 18: 41
        0
        Similarly, give more examples of such "meaningless" wording in an agreement with Germany with someone
      3. Avior
        Avior 5 January 2021 00: 24
        0
        Only in other treaties it is not, this wording. And in this it is even taken out in the name
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 January 2021 17: 09
    +4
    The author of the article should have remembered the "tungsten rush", as Spain sold tungsten to Germany.
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 4 January 2021 17: 22
      0
      And from this tungsten cores were made for cumulative anti-tank shells, for example ...
  • sleeve
    sleeve 4 January 2021 17: 11
    +2
    Spain? Is this not the country whose citizens fertilized their gardens near St. Petersburg? Tourists?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 January 2021 17: 14
    0
    In 1939-1941, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany allegedly were allies. A discord between them happened after "the annexation of Romanian Bukovina by Stalin to the USSR and the threat of seizing oil wells in Ploiesti,
    Is this Spanish folly or the liberty of translation?
    For a long time, the East Slavic tribes of Tivertsy and Ulitsy lived in Northern Bukovina. In the X-XI centuries it was a part of the Old Russian state; in the XII-XIII (first half of the XIV) centuries - as part of the Galicia, later Galicia-Volyn principality and included the city of Vasiliev,
    We returned our lands, Hitler had nothing against it.
    They hoped that the USSR would oppose the Nazis, since there was a deep ideological abyss between Moscow and Berlin.
    To rake in the heat with someone else's hands? Scoundrels.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 January 2021 17: 17
    -3
    Quote: Avior
    Why allies? Were friends!

    Stop lying then. We signed an agreement and that's it. Like all England and Poland with France, but then they all got rid of him, to the fullest. request
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 January 2021 18: 43
      -1
      Give a link, which of them had a friendship agreement with Germany.
      Or did you just lie?
      1. KERMET
        KERMET 4 January 2021 20: 53
        +1
        Were you so excited by the word "friendship" in the title of the treaty? And in terms of meaning and text, how did it differ from all other similar agreements?
        1. Avior
          Avior 4 January 2021 21: 57
          -1
          Why do you think so? I was not turned on, I just stated a fact.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 22: 36
        -2
        Give a link where it is said about friendship in the Molotov-Ribbentrop package, or are you just lying ?!
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 January 2021 00: 08
          -1
          This is a different contract. The Treaty of Friendship and Border was concluded a month later, on September 28, 1939
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 09: 01
            +1
            you are tired of svim verbiage, give the text of the agreement
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 January 2021 09: 58
              0
              The picture in the first post is given.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 17: 19
    +5
    In 1939-1941, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allegedly allies.
    Why does the Gishpani smoke?
    it turns out that before that Germany's allies were England and France ?!
    and if you consider this

    and it

    they were after
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 January 2021 17: 39
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      In 1939-1941, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allegedly allies.
      Why does the Gishpani smoke?

      Nevermind...
      Pro-ESS publications in Spain have an eternal headache caused by phantom pains since the days of Franco. The Generalissimo, who rebelled against the legally chosen government of the Socialists, plunging the country into the Civil War, was dug up and reburied. Quietly.
      But the methods of Iron Caudillo, his "vision of the international situation", are applied by the "progressive" Spanish editions every day when it comes to Russia. La Vanguardia, El Pais, El Mundo, ABC educate the Spanish people almost every day about the insidious and insidious Russia, both in the past and in the present, and most importantly in the future.
      The law of the press - whoever pays calls the tune, i.e. custom articles. lol
    2. Avior
      Avior 4 January 2021 18: 45
      -4
      And what should be taken into account in these photos?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        And what should be taken into account in these photos?

        you can do nothing
        1. Avior
          Avior 4 January 2021 22: 01
          -1
          And who can?
          In the photo, two members of the royal family are small children, two adults did not have power.
          The children did this at the request of the man in the photo, not understanding the meaning of the gesture.
          And what conclusions did you draw from this?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 January 2021 22: 27
            -1
            Quote: Avior
            In the photo, two members of the royal family are small children, two adults did not have power.

            don't be funny about the fact that the king in naglia has no power
            in addition, this is a very indicative attitude towards Nazism
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 January 2021 00: 20
              -2
              There is no king in the photo. The man in the photo has not been crowned in the future.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 09: 00
                +1
                you don’t suffer from nonsense or do you really think that such photos are taken just like that by themselves
                1. Avior
                  Avior 5 January 2021 10: 02
                  -2
                  No empty demagoguery is needed.
                  If you think this photo is related to the politics of England, show it with specific facts. And, as I understand it, you just do not know who is in the photo that was brought.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 16: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    No empty demagoguery is needed.

                    that's right, if you think that the king's daughter is zigging just like that, then I'm sorry I don't see any reason to debate with you
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 5 January 2021 17: 17
                      0
                      King of England during the war - Edward 6
                      And his position is clearly shown in this picture.

                      And what you are doing is trying to draw conclusions yourself without understanding what from the picture, about which you have a vague idea. For a start, they learned who was in the picture and what relation they could, in principle, have to the politics of England.
                2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 January 2021 12: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  you don’t suffer from nonsense or do you really think that such photos are taken just like that by themselves

                  Vladimir, do me a favor and don't suffer from nonsense. Better look for the source of this "photo".
                  In fact, there was no photo. There was a VIDEO (film) in which the royal family all together wave their hands to someone. And then one troll cut out a frame where the position of the hands turned out to be reminiscent of a "ridge" - and the soul rushed to heaven ...
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 16: 30
                    +1
                    English team waving their hands the same?
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 16: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    In fact, there was no photo. There was a VIDEO (film) in which the royal family all together wave their hands to someone.

                    Photos of the "zigging" Queen Elizabeth II appeared on the web
                    04:09 18 July 2015

                    Buckingham Palace reacted with indignation to the appearance of pictures in the media.

                    The British tabloid The Sun has published photographs, which, according to the publication, depicts the young Queen Elizabeth II, raising her hand in a Nazi greeting. At the same time, journalists nicknamed the royal person themselves Their Royal Zigushestvo, playing on the English words highness (highness) and heilness (from heil - part of the famous Nazi greeting).
                    According to France Presse, these frames are part of a video dated 1933 or 1934. Presumably, seven-year-old Elizabeth II and her mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, thus greeted the cameraman filming them.

                    Buckingham Palace reacted quite violently to the publication of scandalous pictures.

                    “It is disappointing that the film, shot eight decades ago, which apparently belongs to Her Majesty's archives, was received and presented in a similar manner,” the agency quotes the text of a statement from a representative of Buckingham Palace.

                    The opinions of experts and historians were divided. Some called the published video shocking, others noted that the shooting took place several years before Hitler's monstrous plans became known, and the Nazis were notorious for their atrocities.

                    Note that the uncle of Queen Elizabeth II, King Edward VIII, who abdicated the throne, openly sympathized with the Nazi regime and personally met with the German dictator.

                    do not specify where you saw the "waving" ?!
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 5 January 2021 17: 07
                      -1
                      And wha, what specific conclusions did you draw about England's politics from a piece of video where a seven-year-old raised his hand?
                      She became queen many years after the war, if you don't know.
                      The king of England during the war was a completely different man, whose anti-fascist views are known.
                      And which photo of two children, four and seven years old, have you been trying to sculpt for half a day now?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 20: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        whose anti-fascist views are known.

                        ha, ha, ha
                        by the way anti-fascist, anti-Nazi or anti-German?
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 5 January 2021 21: 00
                        -1
                        Anti-fascist anti-Nazi and anti-German
                        And quite active.
                        What, they began to cling to the words, the arguments essentially ended?
                        Have you finally found out who is in the picture?
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 23: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        Anti-fascist anti-Nazi and anti-German
                        And quite active

                        do not specify where the birthplace of Nazism is, NEVER EVEN THE ANGLES FIGHT NAZISM OR FASCISM
                        Quote: Avior
                        Have you finally found out who is in the picture?

                        future queen elizabeth 2 is enough for you

                        In 1863, the English scientist Dr. James Hunt made a sensational report at the Royal Scientific Society in Newcastle, in which he stated that after many years of research he had managed to isolate a special species of animals that occupy an intermediate stage between ape and man, and are called they are blacks (Hello Barack Obama and the Americans he leads!). In addition, among people with white skin there are also representatives of dead-end branches of the tree of evolution, which, if you can call people, then only second class.
                        After this triumphant report, scientific theories about the subhuman began to grow in Britain like mushrooms after rain. At the same time, in all racial theories, the British, of course, are at the highest level.
                        The Slavic peoples, according to British scholars of that time, were intellectually superior to the Negroes, but not so much as to put them on a par with the Anglo-Saxons or even the Germans.
                        The theory of racial superiority was born in the British Isles and its corneology - the influence of the shape of the skull on the psychotype of the nation and mental abilities - was then considered a recognized science. If we open the Brockhaus and Efron dictionary (in many respects translated), we will see that there, in the articles about each race, each nation, it is written in detail about the structure of the skull. This science was discredited much later, by the famous measurements in the Reich. Although, probably, there is some truth and interconnection in this.
                        It was in the British Isles that the so-called "Eugenics" was born - the science that explains how to select a person in order to grow an ideal race.
                        The British Fascist Party gained recognition a year before the German Social Democrats won the official elections.
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 02: 14
                        -2
                        ... NEVER ANGLES WITH NAZISM OR FASCISM DID NOT FIGHT

                        They fought against Hitlerism. That was what they called it then.
                        Report of the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs comrade V. M. Molotov on the foreign policy of the Government. October 31, 1939

                        Government Foreign Policy Report
                        (at the Extraordinary Fifth Session of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR)

                        31 1939 October, the
                        ... Recently, the ruling circles of England and France have been trying to portray themselves as fighters for the democratic rights of peoples against Hitlerism, and the British government announced that, as if the goal of the war against Germany was for it, no more and no less, like. "destruction of Hitlerism". It turns out that the British, and along with them the French, supporters of the war declared against Germany something like an "ideological war" ...


                        Queen Elizabeth 2 became only many years after the war, so she had nothing to do with the attitude of England towards Nazism and could not have.
                        As for eugenics, it was a fashionable idea of ​​the early 20th century, in many countries, including the USSR
                        ..... The initiative to create a scientific structure, which later became the Institute of Genetics of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, belongs to Professor of Petrograd University Yuri Alexandrovich Filipchenko. On February 14, 1921, Yu. A. Filipchenko spoke at a meeting of the KEPS Council - the Committee on Natural Productive Forces of Russia - and substantiated the need to organize a Bureau on Eugenics in Petrograd, which was done. During its existence, the Bureau was renamed several times: the first time in 1925 it became known as the Bureau of Genetics and Eugenics, in 1929 - the Bureau of Genetics ...

                        Now it is the Vavilov Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences
                        hi
                      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 09: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        They fought against Hitlerism. That was what they called it then.

                        I asked you a SPECIFIC question, and you left him
                        Quote: Avior
                        Queen Elizabeth 2 became only many years after the war, so she had nothing to do with the attitude of England towards Nazism and could not have.

                        damn, you either play a fool or really don't understand, the child expresses an opinion that adults convey to him
                        Quote: Avior
                        As for eugenics, it was a fashionable idea of ​​the early 20th century, in many countries, including the USSR

                        really a troll they tell you where it originated and you about fashion HOMELAND OF NAZISM - ENGLAND
                        A. Filipchenko spoke at a meeting of the KEPS Council - the Committee on Natural Productive Forces of Russia - and substantiated the need to organize a Bureau for Eugenics in Petrograd, which was done.
                        Comrade troll there discussed the superiority of some races over others ?!
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 09: 27
                        -1
                        I asked you a specific question, but you stubbornly do not answer it, minus and do demagoguery and spin like in a frying pan.
                        Which of the faces in the picture influenced the policy of England towards Nazi Germany?
                      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 09: 31
                        +1
                        really do not catch up? !!!
                        this happened in the ROYAL FAMILY or do you think that the girl saw the gesture in the gateway ?!
                        and yes, no need to talk nonsense about the fact that the royal family did not influence the country's politics
                      8. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 09: 39
                        -1
                        you obviously do not know why the girl and the boy made this gesture in the frame, although this is well known
                        I asked you a specific question, stop playing and dodging
                      9. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 09: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        although it is well known

                        well enlighten
                        Quote: Avior
                        I asked you a specific question, stop playing and dodging

                        Yulite you, I clearly and distinctly stated the arguments
                      10. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 09: 49
                        -1
                        Stop fiddling around and dodging, answer the question I asked you.
                      11. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 10: 05
                        -1
                        I answered you clearly, understanding the problem?
                      12. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 10: 08
                        -1
                        You did not answer my question, but you continue to play and dodge
                        I see no reason to waste my time and continue communicating with a person who has merged and primitively dodges for a day without answering the question asked.
                        hi
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 January 2021 18: 21
    -1
    Better tell me where you saw the ridge here :)
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 January 2021 20: 57
      0
      uncle andrei, and where did you get that older than me, the ridge, if not strange, saw not only me but also in england
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 10: 58
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      uncle andrei, where did you get that older than me

      With your analytical skills.
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      ridge, oddly enough, I saw not only me but also in England

      Which is not surprising - the average Englishman knows history well below the baseboard. And now, in fact, to the point.
    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 11: 11
      -1
      Let's see how the "Sieg Heil" is given. The most authoritative "teacher" - Adolf Hitler
      https://vk.com/video176114090_163165248
      The hand first goes to the heart, and only then it rises into the well-known greeting. Yes, subsequently, the gesture "mutated" into a simple throwing up of the hand, but in the first half of the 30s (the ridge appeared in 1934) they zigged like this
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 11: 24
      -1
      So, the video of the royal family is from the early 30s. And their movement with their hands, well, does not coincide at all with the Nazi greeting. I am personally inclined to perceive this as a banal handicapping to someone behind the camera. But there is another option
      Google "salute bellamy"
      The ritual of taking the oath of allegiance to the US flag: while pronouncing the words "I swear allegiance to my flag", stand "at attention", the right hand rises to the chest, then jumps up sharply and goes straight to the flag. This ritual was first performed by Francis Bellamy on Columbus Day on October 12, 1892. The ritual quickly became known as the Bellamy salute and became widely used in scouting organizations.


      This ritual appeared LONG before the Nazi salute and was canceled in 1942 (more precisely, now the Americans put their hand on their hearts). And it may very well be that the royal family performs exactly this - given the fact that this gesture was common in children's, scout organizations, it is completely not surprising that the adults in the video seem to show it to children
      If this is GENERAL fireworks. As for me, they just wave their hands to someone behind the camera :))))
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 12: 17
      -1
      learn the history of the founders of Nazism and do not come up with a gag
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 12: 16
    -2
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Let's see how the "Sieg Heil" is given. The most authoritative "teacher" - Adolf Hitler

    and now my darling, look how it really was
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 15: 45
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    learn the history of the founders of Nazism and do not come up with a gag

    Yes, I, unlike you, took a little care :)
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    and now my darling, look how it really was

    Now find out who Mosley was and WHEN he threw his ridges. A hint - a lightning bolt symbol on the sleeve - a sign that the events took place no earlier than 1936. Question. And which video did you bring here?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 17: 38
    -2
    try to strain the MOSC, read the article and strain again
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 18: 45
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    try to strain the MOSC, read the article and strain again

    I have obviously overstrained you already, judging by the "quality" of your, if I may say so, argumentation in the previous post and its complete absence in this.
    Well, let's summarize the results of our fruitful discussion
    You told us here tales for the fascist alliance between England and Germany, on the grounds that in the video of the early 30s about the royal family you imagined the presence of a Nazi greeting. When they explained to you in simple Russian words that this video can be interpreted in very different ways (waving your hands, saluting Bellamy), your perception of the world has cracked, and you tried to correct it with a link to another video that captured a British fascist. When it was explained to you that this video was in no way earlier than 1936 and that it could not be connected with the video of the royal family in any way, you ran out of argumentation, but the resentment for the destroyed "inner world" remained.
    What did I miss? wink
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 20: 43
    -1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    for the fascist alliance between England and Germany, on the grounds that in the video of the early 30s about the royal family, you imagined the presence of a Nazi greeting.

    I already realized that it is extremely difficult for you to understand what you have read
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 12: 13
    -1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    With your analytical skills.

    Well, you have them brilliant, based on the fact that you require a child to fully comply and not just imitate
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 15: 47
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Well, you have them brilliant, based on the fact that you require a child to fully comply and not just imitate

    I do not demand from a child, but from two adults who are next to the children. Have you noticed them?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 17: 37
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Have you noticed them?

    the child repeats what he sees and sees often
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 18: 46
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    the child repeats what he sees and sees often

    The child repeats the gesture that the adults make in the video. The gesture is not like a ridge. AND?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 20: 42
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    The gesture is not like a ridge. AND?

    well, yes, the whole world looks like, but in Chelyabinsk it does not look like
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 January 2021 23: 11
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    well, the whole world looks like

    It is very strange that the concept of "the whole world" and "one British tabloid" are equivalent to you. However, I'm not surprised
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2021 23: 37
    -2
    I already realized that you only read tabloids
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 6 January 2021 11: 03
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    uncle andrei, where did you get the idea that is older than me,

    "They beat not a passport, but in the face".
    A well-known saying ...
    Individuals close to the "local court" are allowed a lot. Especially rude. Won for the price of pennies get ...
    Elite. Local .... wassat
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 January 2021 18: 50
    0
    Oh, this generation is next to me .... Look, and you don't see. Okay, I'm not at my computer right now - tomorrow I'll post you a photo and video of what the ridge is and what the British royal family is showing
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  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 January 2021 17: 27
    +3
    A rotten article, every word is a lie.
    The secret protocol attached to the treaty provided for the division of Eastern Europe into spheres of influence between the USSR and Germany.
    belay Have you seen him? It does not exist in nature.
    in Warsaw, already foreseeing a catastrophe, were preparing for an attack from the west and east.
    belay And how interesting were they preparing, being rude to Germany and spitting on the proposals of the USSR? As they prepared, they got it. recourse
    England and France did not declare war on the USSR. It seems that the Spanish author is surprised by this fact.
    No wonder, there is no oil in my head. For him, this is a piece of paper, and the strength to maintain it, where? fool France did not have the strength to cope with Germany.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 4 January 2021 17: 29
    +5
    Western Europeans would not hurt to get acquainted with the book of the British Prime Minister in 1940-1945 W. Churchill "World War II" (published in London 1948), it is directly and honestly written there who actually conspired with Hitler and who ignored Stalin's proposal on the creation of a collective security system in Europe.
    "
    An alliance between England, France and Russia would have caused serious alarm in Germany in 1939, and no one can prove that even then the war would not have been averted. The next step could be taken with the superiority of forces on the side of the allies. Their diplomacy would regain the initiative. Hitler could not afford to start a war on two fronts, which he himself so harshly condemned, nor to experience failure ...
    As we put ourselves in this dire predicament of 1939, it was vital to rely on broader hope. Even now, it is impossible to establish the moment when Stalin finally abandoned his intention to cooperate with Western democracies and decided to come to an agreement with Hitler ... If, for example, upon receipt of the Russian proposal, Chamberlain replied: "Okay. Let the three of us unite and break Hitler's neck", or that - something like that, the parliament would have approved it, Stalin would have understood, and history could have taken a different path. In any case, she could not take the worst path.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 January 2021 17: 54
    +1
    laughing
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Quote: yfast
    and in Warsaw, already foreseeing a catastrophe, they were preparing for an attack from the west and east.

    Duc Poles, after a piece of what they received during the partition of Czechoslovakia, were already raving about a parade in Berlin! laughing

    Not .. He and Aloizych dreamed of a joint parade in Moscow. And Vissarionich padlyuka did not harness for them laughing
  • cniza
    cniza 4 January 2021 17: 56
    +2
    It is worth noting that the article in the Spanish press is clearly aimed at trying to equate the USSR and Hitler's Germany. And this is done in order to belittle the role of the Soviet Union in the defeat of Nazism.


    They will promote this very actively in order to silence their participation in the war on Hitler's side, because almost all of Europe fought against the USSR ...
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 4 January 2021 18: 09
    0
    Spanish press: Despite the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, England and France did not declare war on the USSR

    As well as on the Hitler-Pilsudski Pak on January 26, 1934 and on the Pact on September 27, 1940 between the Axis powers - the countries participating in the Anti-Comintern Pact: Germany, Italy and Japan for a period of 10 years
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 4 January 2021 18: 18
    +2
    Look how the Spaniards were blown away. Draft from the Atlantic is strong.
  • Iris
    Iris 4 January 2021 18: 18
    -1
    Considering that at the end of Sergei Kuzmitsky's article there is a clearly evaluative position
    "It is worth noting that the article in the Spanish press is clearly aimed at trying to put an equal sign between the USSR and Nazi Germany," I suggest the forum moderators move the material to the "Opinions" section.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 January 2021 18: 25
    -2
    The black dog cannot be washed white, but the guys are trying their best, purely murderers during interrogation: I was not there, the boss, Maruha Ninka will confirm. laughing Zhurnalizd Forgets about the "exploits" of his state. Funny - a Spaniard ally of Hitler talks about the viciousness of such an alliance.
  • Bullba
    Bullba 4 January 2021 18: 39
    -1
    Separately slut gave up in 3 days, the second slut sponsored.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 4 January 2021 18: 44
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: askort154
    And if it is even "fairer", then Berlin was divided into occupation zones, already in June 1948.

    I know. Question: The Germans could not evacuate the documents? They knew how to hide well. They are still looking for the Amber Room.

    Since the history textbooks do not have this treaty and the relevant authorities are silent. conclusion: it is better to be silent.
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 4 January 2021 18: 55
    0
    Three hundred years have been trying to destroy Russia as a state
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 4 January 2021 19: 00
    +2
    "Upon learning of this agreement, France and Britain were shocked, as the Spanish author writes. London and Paris stopped negotiations with Moscow, and in Warsaw, already foreseeing a catastrophe, they were preparing for an attack from the west and east."
    The Spaniard distorts the facts. It was Britain and France who actually sabotaged the negotiations on the creation of an anti-Hitler coalition. The USSR did everything it could to create it. But Britain and France needed Hitler on the border with the USSR. Therefore, they surrendered Poland. And then England surrendered to Hitler and France, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Yugoslavia, Belgium. After all, the USSR concluded a pact with Germany 3 (three) days before the start of World War II, while before the USSR such pacts with Germany had been in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland (Pilsudski's pact), England, France ...
  • Iris
    Iris 4 January 2021 19: 19
    -1
    Britain paid with the blood of its children and the grief of its citizens, while we were "friends" and "did not attack" by meanness. And millions of Russian unknown soldiers - all on the conscience of this geek marked with smallpox.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 January 2021 19: 23
    +2
    The Spaniard's article is a fine example of ideological lies, to which, of course, Western countries never stoop. laughing
    He writes that Britain and France on the eve of World War II understood that the outcome of the upcoming conflict primarily depended on how the Soviet Union would behave.

    a lie, and a blatant one. Only the USSR understood this and for many years diligently tried to put together a European Union on the model of the Entente, but was sent far and clearly. The USSR did not abandon its attempts until the Munich Agreement, when it became clear that Britain and France did not want to answer for anything.
    In 1939-1941, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allegedly allies.

    Lying. We were not allies with Germany. There was a distribution of spheres of influence (moreover, the "secret pacts" found with a 99.9% probability are fake) and there were trade agreements. Both "allies" looked at each other with great distrust.
    And the discord between them occurred after "Stalin's annexation of Romanian Bukovina to the USSR and the threat of seizing oil wells in Ploiesti, which were of strategic importance for the Hitlerite army."

    Lying. The discord between us was initially, and it took its final form when Stalin refused to be an obedient executor of Hitler's will and made it clear that the USSR would pursue an independent policy.
    In London and Paris, upon learning about the treaty, they perceived it as a military alliance between Germany and the Soviet Union.

    Perfect lie. In England and France they knew very well that the pact was not an allied treaty, and they did not fear that the USSR would enter the war on the side of Germany. More precisely, it was assumed that this might someday happen, but nobody seriously considered the USSR's performance in 1939-40.
    It should be noted that the article in the Spanish press is clearly aimed at trying to equate the USSR and Nazi Germany.

    Quite right. Moreover - the author deliberately lies and misleads the readers. The real history of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is very well known to Western historians - if only thanks to Churchill's memoirs.
    1. Iris
      Iris 4 January 2021 19: 46
      -8
      Hitler's intelligence is probably the only guys in the history of the confrontation between the special services who managed to correctly and timely identify Stalin as a mental patient and act accordingly. There was no "Soviet Union".
      There was this pockmarked bastard who hid for two days while Molotov "delighted" the country "with his famous speech." Hence the conclusion: if your leaders together with "friends" share a foreign country - expect trouble.
      1. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 4 January 2021 20: 19
        +1
        another one-day run with low social responsibility and deep hatred of the Soviet and our VICTORY over the forces of a united Nazi Europe
        1. Iris
          Iris 9 January 2021 01: 27
          0
          The ephemeral is an insect similar to butterflies. What did you want to say? ?
      2. Skif
        Skif 4 January 2021 21: 10
        0
        Why so much bile? It seems that the "pockmarked bastard" has personally insulted you.
        1. Iris
          Iris 9 January 2021 01: 23
          0
          Yes, a value judgment. Not right.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 4 January 2021 19: 26
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: askort154
    The Americans were the first to take over the plant. All they needed was taken out with Brown. And only after that, our delegation arrived there

    Yes. Didn't know, or forgot. But among other things, the Germans and the Japanese supplied the FAU. Operation Shadow Yamato.

    What are you Mordvin, if you forgot. Mordvin Devyatayev was the Queen's guide.
  • anjey
    anjey 4 January 2021 20: 19
    +1
    London and Paris underestimated Moscow and Berlin, which stepped over their own principles and were able to agree among themselves,
    Because with all the efforts before that, the Soviet Union could not come to an agreement with London and Paris, sabotaging all the possibilities and initiatives of a military treaty with the USSR, and as a result, through the fault of the West, it was left alone with the ideological enemy, Germany.
    Therefore, Germany had to accept a non-aggression pact, so as not to get into the conflict ahead of time and even more so without real support from the West, which became a reality after the August 1939 negotiations in Moscow with the missions of England and France. healthy, WWII is a political result and partly to blame for England, France and Poland.
  • Skif
    Skif 4 January 2021 21: 07
    +1
    Wow! Shocked. Similar agreements were signed by the Britons and the French with Germany in the 38th. Then this did not surprise anyone, including the Poles.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 January 2021 21: 43
    +2
    Italy - a member of the EU since March 25, 1957 - the fascist regime actually from 1919-1920 and in fact until the end of World War II
    Spain - EU member since January 1, 1986 - Franco regime (Francoism) from 1939 to 1975
    Romania - EU member since 2007 - "Iron Guard" in power from 1927 to 1941
    Latvia has been a member of the EU since 2004 - the activities of the pro-fascist "Latvian National Club" began in 1920.
    Croatia is a member of the EU since 2013 - from 1919 to 1945 the Ustashi party with a nationalist ideology operates
    Hungary is a member of the EU since 2004 - the fascist regime has been in effect for almost the entire war. Bulgaria On May 19, 1934, the second coup d'état after the end of the war took place in Sofia, carried out by the Zveno group and the VL under the slogan “for national consent instead of the bankrupt bourgeois party system”. “That is, there are fascists in power. Greece is the whole set of attributes of outspoken Nazis.
    That is, 6 out of 28 EU member states (21%) either openly had a totalitarian regime, or a large party of a totalitarian-fascist persuasion operated in them. In each of these countries, we also know about repressions, and the presence of political prisoners, etc. With such statistics, accusations of excessive sacrifices against the USSR look extremely strange, since these countries do not provide their own statistics in a similar way of persons who have died or simply repressed. (We will not take exclusive individual studies, as this is more the exception than the rule.)
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 January 2021 21: 54
    0
    The presented presentation of information is a clear illustration of a deliberate distortion of historical reality in the direction of denigrating the history and reputation of a particular country through an incorrect comparison of its regime with National Socialism and an artificially created contrast of statistical data. their sentiments return to fascism, racism, xenophobia and other forms of intolerance, including through political parties. Dignified students of their Teacher. laughing Huge gratitude

    Professor of the Department of Contemporary Russian History of the Institute of History and Politics of the Moscow Pedagogical State University (IIiP MPGU) Alexander Vladimirovich Pyzhikov. Students have also done a great job.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 4 January 2021 22: 17
    0
    whose cow was mooing, let them remember their Franco and wither
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 4 January 2021 23: 49
    0
    "" shared spheres of influence "...
    at all times the limitrophes were divided,
    negotiating.
    and only Poland was simply derbanized.
    and spain might shut up.
    she licked her boots a bit.
    heroes ...
  • Alexey Gorshkov
    Alexey Gorshkov 5 January 2021 00: 24
    0
    Quote from the article: "It is worth noting that the article in the Spanish press is clearly aimed at trying to equate the USSR and Hitlerite Germany." If so, it achieves an EXACTLY OPPOSITE RESULT: England and France did not declare war on the USSR, and Germany declared - it turns out that then they did not consider the USSR an aggressor, DIFFERENT FROM GERMANY !!!
  • Gips
    Gips 5 January 2021 01: 24
    0
    This is done not at all with the aim of belittling the role of the USSR in the Victory, but with a more practical aim - to discredit the socio-economic system, where there was public ownership of the means of production; distorting even their own post-war bourgeois historical paradigm, they are fighting communism.
    Only material reasons for the customers of such a "story". And not at all for a commendation of the winners of WWII the fight)))
  • Growlers
    Growlers 5 January 2021 18: 22
    0
    1. "Pact of Four"
    Signed 15 July 1933 in Rome. The parties to this pact were: Germany, Italy, France and England. The position of the USSR on this issue was completely ignored.
    The goal of the pact is world peace! What is needed for this? Right! Recognize Germany's right to equality in armament ... This is a normal logic: "To avoid a drunken fight, we will give the audience vodka, knives and axes."
    In fairness, it should be said that the "pact of four" was never ratified by the parties. This sad event for the whole world took place due to the intensification of Soviet-French relations.

    2. The Hitler-Piłsudski Pact
    This document was endorsed by the high signatories on January 26, 1934. The official name is "Declaration on the Non-Use of Force Between Germany and Poland".
    The signing of the declaration allowed Hitler to annex the Saar and the Ruhr to the Reich - the regions torn away from Germany as a result of the First World War. Poland, in turn, expected support from citizen Schicklgruber for its territorial claims to part of the lands of Czechoslovakia, Lithuania and ... the USSR.

    This document was denounced by Germany unilaterally on August 28, 1938.

    3. Anglo-German maritime agreement
    England realized that Germany did not have enough navy to maintain peace in Europe. Logic is a complex science.

    On June 18, 1935, this document was signed. Its essence boiled down to the following: Germany "from scratch" revived its navy. The ratio of forces was set at a ratio of 35: 100.
    In the dry language of numbers: Germany immediately laid down the laying of five battleships, 21 cruisers, 64 destroyers and laid down "a little" of submarines. The total tonnage of the German Navy, under the terms of the agreement, was comparable to that of the French Navy. For the maintenance of "peace" is it!

    The treaty was denounced by Germany on April 28, 1939.

    4. Anti-Comintern Pact
    Signed on November 25, 1936. Initially, the parties to the pact were Germany and Japan. Over time, "pulled up": Italy, Spain, Finland, Romania, Croatia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, as well as the puppet governments of a number of other states.

    The essence of the pact is clear from the title. The countries that joined him can be found in the article "Who fought against the USSR in the Great Patriotic War."

    5. Munich Agreement
    Signed on September 30, 1938. Ger Hitler was simply "presented" with a part of Czechoslovakia, whose representatives were not even allowed into the negotiating room. I will not go into details - the article "Munich Agreement - the prologue of the Second World War" is devoted to this issue.

    6. Anglo-German non-aggression treaty (declaration)
    Signed on the same day with the signing of the Munich Agreement. The treaty stated that the treaties and agreements previously concluded between Britain and Germany "symbolize the will of both peoples never to fight each other <...> and thus contribute to the preservation of European peace ...".
    Thanks for that too. For those who like to speculate in the spirit of "the USSR and Germany shared the world ..." Let me remind you that the result of this document was the signing of the Dusseldorf Agreement (1939). So it determined the spheres of interests of England and Germany in Europe, without any "secret protocols".
    For England, similar agreements with Germany were signed by France, Romania and the Baltic countries.
    The question is, WHAT REMAINED THE USSR TO DO? !!
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 5 January 2021 19: 57
      0
      These treaties also contain secret clauses as in the American-German
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 5 January 2021 19: 56
    0
    During the Poddam conference, the winning countries signed an agreement on classifying international treaties from 33 to 40 for 126 years. and the USA violated this agreement at 59 by leaking classified articles of this treaty.
  • nznz
    nznz 6 January 2021 11: 18
    0
    I read the booklet of Istroia The rise and fall of the Third Reich. author Wilm Shearer. Amer, who lived during the formative years of Germany after its defeat in a world war.
    It is understandably impossible to suspect the author of love for the Russians and the USSR. In addition, the author had access to the archives up to the very secret papers of the Germans. It is better to read it so as not to tell.
    what is important. From an early age Hitler declared in Mein Kampf (he wrote in the slammer after the beer putsch), the main idea is that the strength of Germany will grow only in the eastern territories. This idea of ​​fix Drang nach Osten ran through Hitler's policy as a red thread. the thread is clearly something secret. All that follows is preparation. Another act of Hitler's anti-Semitism - practically from a young age - when in his hatred he had already reached the point that any Jew he met seemed to him even smelled the wrong way. Although the Austrian (Hitler_) himself was a homeless person, he didn't wash, shorn, soup in line for a giveaway. what even surprised. The story sometimes comes from this that you are amazed, well, here is the Munich beer coup supporter of no more than 10 people, there are many times more in the pub. Hitler conquered everyone with lies. He just lied that the military joined. If only a minute earlier someone just took He was thrown by the scruff of his neck and thrown out of the pub - nothing would have happened ... such paradoxes accompanied Hitler on his way to power all the time - he ponted like that, risking that it seemed to me that he was a madman with enlightenments. in moments of turbidity, he lied so that they believed. Witnesses often cite facts when he fell into the ecstasy of madness and carried just nonsense. About the Munich conspiracy. Amer clearly described the history of betrayal by England and France of all their obligations. And much earlier than Munich took place. Hitler, with the humiliated and crushed Weimar republic in front of these guys, squeezed out the sections that were annotated in favor of certain countries after the partition of the first world war. Silently they gave away piece by piece. Not a word that Hitler received cretids from the United States, restored the army and ttp. Then the Anschluss of Austria (who made a peep?), Austria Hitler considered his homeland