The article on the case of the downed Mi-24 helicopter has been re-qualified - the perpetrators face life imprisonment under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

Information has emerged about the course of the investigation concerning the attack on the Russian Mi-24 helicopter. The strike, recall, was delivered with the use of MANPADS at a time when the helicopter was in the airspace of Armenia on November 9, 2020. Then two Russian servicemen were killed.

Azerbaijan admitted its guilt in striking, promising to conduct a thorough investigation and punish those responsible. But almost 2 months have passed, and there is no information about the specific persons who gave the order to shoot down the helicopter. In this regard, experts have expressed suspicions that the Azerbaijani side “does not agree on something” and that the forces that are not controlled by official Baku could shoot down the Mi-24.

Today it became known that Russian military investigators decided to re-qualify the article on the Mi-24 case to a more serious one.

In particular, from the article on the violation of the rules of flights, which resulted in death by negligence (Article 351 of the Russian Criminal Code), the case was re-qualified to Article 105. This article provides for severe punishment and applies to premeditated murder (in this case, two or more persons).

This information is published by Interfax.

The article provides for the maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

At the same time, it is not noted what information the Russian investigators received regarding the strike on the Mi-24, which led to the need to re-qualify the case to a more severe article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Azerbaijan, for its part, does not provide any data on the perpetrators of the use of MANPADS against the Russian helicopter.

Recall that a few days after the tragedy, Azerbaijani Ambassador to the Russian Federation Polad Bulbul-Ogly stated literally the following:

In war as in war.

Comments

[prior]

The head is responsible for everything, therefore - Aliyev for life!
Bul-bul to the next cell

[Tatyana]

It is true that this case in Russia was criminally re-qualified to a more serious one!

And the Ambassador of Azerbaijan, artist Bulbul-Oglu, despite his recognized singing talent in the USSR, one should withdraw from Russia for his demonstratively conciliatory policy with a war crime from Azerbaijan against Russia to eliminate the Russian MI-24 in the skies of Armenia by Azerbaijan.

[Captain45]

Quote: Tatiana

And the ambassador of Azerbaijan, artist Bulbul-Ogly, despite his recognized singing talent in the USSR, should be recalled from Russia for his demonstratively compromising policy with a war crime

The ambassador of the state can only be recalled by the state that appointed him ambassador - Azerbaijan, and Russia can only expel him, declaring persona non grata, but the expulsion of the ambassador without good reason is fraught with consequences, up to the declaration of war.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Captain45

The ambassador of the state can only be recalled by the state that appointed him ambassador - Azerbaijan, and Russia can only expel him, declaring persona non grata, but the expulsion of the ambassador without good reason is fraught with consequences, up to the declaration of war.

All right However, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has the right to point out to the Azerbaijani side about the professional insolvency of the artist Bulbul-Ogly as the ambassador of Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation with a request to replace him - and he will be replaced!
After such a complaint from Russia, another ambassador of Azerbaijan will not shirk from his direct duties in matters of diplomacy - passively inactive and chauvinistically sabotage the fulfillment of his official ambassadorial duties!

[Alex777]

However, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has the right to point out to the Azerbaijani side about the professional insolvency of the artist Bulbul-Ogly as the ambassador of Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation with a request to replace him - and he will be replaced!

Previously, it was necessary to drive the artist. Now that's all.
And further. The matter did not die out at all, as some sang here.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

The Russian authorities are slowly going berserk. And start require the answer from the impudent Azerbaijani authorities. Where this will lead is a big question!

[Captain45]

Quote: Tatiana

However, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has the right to point out to the Azerbaijani side about the professional insolvency of the artist Bulbul-Ogly as the ambassador of Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation with a request to replace him - and he will be replaced!

Professional competence or insolvency is determined by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the country that has appointed the ambassador, and Russia can only indicate the actions of the ambassador that are incompatible with his status, for example, organizing a conspiracy, taking part in rioters' gatherings. Even during the white-ribbon fermentation, foreign diplomats stood aside and did not approach the German gozmans. And this is the difference between Russia and Ukraine, because such actions of foreign diplomats in Russia would be followed by an immediate protest and their expulsion as persons non grata, and on the Maidan they passed out cookies and everyone was happy, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine in the first place, although it should to file a protest in connection with actions incompatible with the status of diplomats. And the fact that the ambassador made a statement, the main thing is not to run counter to the policy of the country he represents, and whether the receiving party likes it or not, it doesn't matter. Also, in response to Bulbul's words, our ambassador to Azerbaijan was supposed to make a demarche and present a note to the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry. After the exchange of notes, as a rule, the conflict is settled. The point is not after, but in the politics of the country he represents. In general, the ambassador to Mansi sent an ambassador to the Khanty and told him: "You are an ambassador!" (C) M. Zadornov

[Tatyana]

Quote: Captain45

in response to Bulbul's words, our ambassador to Azerbaijan had to make a demarche and present a note to the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry.
The point is not after, but in the POLITICS of the country (Azerbaijan), which he represents.

Precisely, the matter is in the POLITICS of Azerbaijan, with which Bulbul-Oglu completely agrees !!! And the POLITICS of Azerbaijan, as it finally turns out 2 months after the "accidental" tragedy, is as follows.

The Russian MI-24 was shot down in the skies of Armenia by the Azerbaijani side precisely deliberately provocatively - in order to CONTINUE the war. Namely.
In principle, neither Turkey, represented by Erdogan, nor Azerbaijan, represented by Aliyev, are satisfied with stopping the war with the Armenians, since Azerbaijan and Turkey did not achieve their initial military-political goals in this war - to destroy NKR, then Armenia and move on.
At the same time, Erdogan has goals, like Hitler in the Third Reich, against Russia. And Aliyev is simply in the deck of his playing political cheating cards.
And Erdogan was raised with his Turkey, again by the collective West, as a tool of the West against the existence of Russia for its dismemberment and final colonization.
All this is the forerunner to TMV.

Erdogan launched an offensive against Russia • 4 Jan. 2021

[businessv]

Quote: Tatiana

However, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation has the right to point out to the Azerbaijani side about the professional insolvency of the artist Bulbul-Ogly as the ambassador of Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation with a request to replace him - and he will be replaced!

It seems to me that it is high time to appoint to posts, especially diplomatic, people specially trained for this work, and not intemperate artists.

[Stas157]

The article on the case of the downed Mi-24 helicopter has been re-qualified - the culprits faces life imprisonment according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

I am interested in what as a result we have (we will have) - only threatens or real life sentence culprits?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Captain45

the expulsion of an ambassador without good reason is fraught with consequences, including the declaration of war.

Get out. Is the destruction of a military helicopter of a neutral state in the airspace of another state, in your opinion, not a valid reason?

[Split]

Quote: Captain45

but the expulsion of an ambassador without good reason is fraught with consequences, including the declaration of war.

Ummm ... the 3rd guys killed is NOT a valid reason? I'm shocked don't give a damn about the technique, we'll still build

[venik]

Quote: Tatiana

And the ambassador of Azerbaijan, artist Bulbul-Ogly, despite his recognized singing talent in the USSR, should be recalled from Russia

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I DO NOT UNDERSTAND how an AMBASSADOR can be not a DIPLOMAT but a "tenor"?

[Tatyana]

Quote: venik

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND how an AMBASSADOR can be not a DIPLOMAT but a "tenor"?

I don't quite understand that either.

And, apparently, it happens in the same way as it happens in Russia.
Remember how one famous Russian sportswoman - a champion gymnast, who became a deputy for the development of sports in one of the regions of Russia, once at her parliamentary reception brazenly responded to a complaint to the parents of children involved in children's sports that "the state owes them nothing to anyone"? There was then a blatant scandal in this regard that reached Moscow for its absolute legal lack of professionalism!

And the scandalous case with the figure skater Plushenko in St. Petersburg. remember?
Plushenko, being an elected deputy of the Parliament of St. Petersburg. in fact, he did not work as a deputy at all, but received a full-fledged deputy's salary. Namely.
The statistics of attendance at meetings of the Legislative Assembly by champion Plushenko was as follows. Of the 123 meetings of the 4th convocation, Plushenko was only 11, in 2009 he was only at 2 meetings, and in 2010 he did not appear at all. In addition, Plushenko was a member of the ZakSa Commission on Social Issues, but in 3 years he only attended a meeting of the commission once. And this despite the fact that, St. Petersburg budget spent 12 million 707 thousand rubles for Plushenko's functioning as a deputy.

[kit88]

Quote: Tatiana

It is true that this case in Russia was criminally re-qualified to a more serious one!

The wrong article was interrupted!
One hundred and fifth is the murder of an ordinary citizen.
Encroachments on the lives of judges, prosecutors, police officers, governors, deputies ... are qualified by special articles - Art. 277, art. 295, art. 317 ...
Responsibility is stricter.
Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 317.
Encroachment on the life of a law enforcement officer, serviceman, as well as their relatives in order to obstruct the legal activities of these persons ...
Or did our military do their duty there?

[Alex777]

Responsibility is stricter.

I think everything is still ahead.
Aliyev needs to do something.
Although you will not envy him.

[Split]

Quote: kit88

Responsibility is stricter

uh 2-3 lifelongs? And I thought only the United States could give 250+ years. Our glory to God did not think of such a madhouse
I remembered about 1 Egyptian pharaoh ... or some padishah. They ask him ... why are you executed for theft and murder too? But because I couldn't think of anything worse for theft ...

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Tatiana

And the ambassador of Azerbaijan, artist Bulbul-Ogly, despite his recognized singing talent in the USSR, should be recalled from Russia for his demonstratively conciliatory policy with a war crime on the part of Azerbaijan against Russia to eliminate the Russian MI-24 in the sky of Armenia by Azerbaijan.

DO NOT RECALL, but SEND. Better just send!

[ul_vitalii]

It looks like they'll be doing a lot more, and so let the "black-browed dealers" from our markets throw weights cut by 20% into their pit, for a start.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The article on the case of the downed Mi-24 helicopter has been re-qualified - the perpetrators face life imprisonment under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
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well ... Polad Bul-byul Ogly ... burn ...

[apro]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Well...?

And silence....
And there can be no other reaction. There is nothing to pressurize the Russian Federation.

[fruc]

You can put pressure on a wide range, from commonplace food markets to international ones. military solutions.

[apro]

Quote: frruc

You can put pressure in a wide range, from commonplace food markets

And this has been crushing for 30 years already, and the Ayzers are just proliferating.

Quote: frruc

ending with international. military solutions.

What is it that go to war ??? and also with international decisions ??? how is it?

[fruc]

They have not yet started to put pressure on the markets (they only frightened the demobilization of the Airborne Forces on August 2), this applies not only to Azeri traders and their tomatoes and peaches.
And about the war, I'm against it. We have military and political analysts, as well as a large parliamentary corps. So let them decide why they should take their bread.

[antivirus]

the cost of living of 2 military men is known.
the price of the North-South transport corridor is not yet, only under construction.
Bulbul is more important, or the speed of movement of containers from St. Petersburg to Bombay ???

[apro]

Quote: antivirus

known.
North-South transport corridor price

Especially against the background of some kind of flow ... only one character will bend.

[cniza]

In this regard, the experts expressed their suspicions that the Azerbaijani side “does not agree on something” and that the forces that are not controlled by official Baku could shoot down the Mi-24.

Most likely the reason is this ...

[fruc]

it became known that the Russian military investigators decided to re-qualify the article on the Mi-24 case to a more serious one.

It remains to find the culprit and bring to justice with all the severity of the law.
I have no doubt that they will be figured out or they themselves will voice their involvement.

[Incvizitor]

Turkish terrorists were acting, from the Azerbaijani side, the command clearly knew it would be worthwhile to grab them, take them out and interrogate them with partiality so that they would put everything out.

[Insurgent]

It is noted that this decision was made based on the results of investigative and operational actions taken within the framework of the case.

Quote: from an explanation of a member of the investigation team

For all the apparent evidence of the crime, the investigators had to first institute a criminal case under the article under which such incidents are usually investigated. And then collect materials for a more accurate qualification of the act, which was done

At the same time, the source found it difficult to say how long the investigation will take:

There are certain difficulties associated with the fact that the suspects are on the territory of another state.

According to him, the case is being investigated by military investigators based at the Russian base in Gyumri (Armenia).

[Andrey Yuryevich]

honestly confessed, honestly refused ... a new move in international law.

[ximkim]

In particular, from the article on the violation of the rules of flights, which resulted in death by negligence (Article 351 of the Russian Criminal Code), the case was re-qualified to Article 105. This article provides for severe punishment and applies to premeditated murder (in this case, two or more persons).

Article from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. That's all.

[Pete mitchell]

There are certain difficulties associated with the fact that the suspects are on the territory of another state.

Quote: Insurgent

the case is being investigated by military investigators based at the Russian base in Gyumri, Armenia.

If I were the investigators, I would still find out who was smart enough to send a videoconferencing helicopter to that area? Well, to clarify the general picture and avoid similar situations in the future

[Avior]

... from the article on the violation of the rules of flights, resulting in death by negligence (Article 351 of the Russian Criminal Code)

It is not clear why such an article was originally used? Or is this a usual article for initiating a case, and then re-qualifying?
Almost initially, it was about the fact that the helicopter was shot down

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

It is not clear why such an article was originally used? Or is this a usual article for initiating a case, and then re-qualifying?

Exactly ... An explanation from a member of the investigation team in my comment above.

[vladimirvn]

Quote: Avior

It is not clear why such an article was originally used? Or is this a usual article for initiating a case, and then re-qualifying?

We were hoping for some concrete reciprocal steps of the Azerbaijanis, but the pause was obviously prolonged. Muddy as it is all. And very cynical about the victims.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: vladimirvn

Muddy as it is all. And very cynical about the victims.

This is just a hint from Russia that Aliyev should hurry up with the appointment of a scapegoat. A hint without cooling relations, because I don't want to lose contracts for the supply of domestic equipment either. And Azerbaijan buys a lot from us. Russian contracts will go away, Turkish ones will come right away, and Azerbaijan's dependence on Turkey will grow by an order of magnitude.

[Catfish]

Good day! As for the assessment of the situation, I completely agree, and they are unlikely to extradite specific culprits to our court, they would like to have done it long ago.

[Kuroneko]

Tryam. I think Aliyev's hands are tied here - he cannot betray "Erdogan's brother". Therefore, I wrote about the scapegoat. Looks like he's frantically looking for someone of his own to hang it believably. You will still have to answer, this cannot be silenced with Russia.
On the other hand, the shooting down of the "crocodile" was a fatal miscalculation - Russia had a moral and legitimate reason to intervene, and with a strong position. It is a pity for our guys, but their lives were not lost in vain - we got the maximum geopolitical benefit from this alien war.

PS I would not be surprised if the one who knocked down is no longer alive - for such a fiasco Erdogan will definitely not pat his overly zealous special forces officer on the head.

[Dalmatia]

There is also a practice where a criminal case is initiated under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, the qualification of which is not in doubt as of the date of initiation of the criminal case.
The very fact of initiation of a criminal case and the beginning of a preliminary investigation are important. Subsequently, when the actual circumstances are established in a more complete volume, the qualification may be changed to another article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
In connection with the helicopter, a qualification error was initially made, but this was done on purpose. In practice, it happens.
Now everything is brought in line with the law.

[iouris]

The war must first be won, and only then judged.

[Catfish]

War with whom? And who will judge whom?

[iouris]

Bul-Bul-oglu told us everything. And you judge who you want.

[Catfish]

Bulbul said nonsense, but the one who wanted to, took it seriously.
And I would like to see the trial of those who shot down our turntable. But this no longer depends on Bulbul.

[saigon]

So what will change?
Absolutely nothing, it cannot change, the son of the nightingale spoke very frankly.

[Nikolay1987]

The circus, in place of the Aizers, would have slipped them 2 homeless people under the guise of those military men, and let "these Russians" think that justice has been done.
I would not like to serve in our army. They don't learn from mistakes at all. Even after the "knife in the back" from Turkey in Syria, they should understand that every time they try to provoke us, and a lonely flying helicopter is just a gift for such provocateurs.
It's a pity for the boys .... neither the first nor the last victims of such games.

[Volodin]

Quote: Nikolay1987

I would not like to serve in our army.

I never served, didn’t it ...

[Nikolay1987]

Quote: Volodin

I never served

Amen

[kriten]

Here's just how to catch them ...

[Alexander Galaktionov]

This is such a message, let's rather at least someone who knocked down And then Putin loses the rating, again the patriots will not forgive a knife in the back Especially the nuclear power

[Victorio]

people can not be returned, an official apology, material compensation. on the other hand, to know the details, the reasons are in the interests of both countries

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Azerbaijan knows the details and reasons for the downing of our Mi-24 and what does it give us? This is to the question of Israel, which is bombing Syria's allies Iranians in Syria This is by the way that Iran would shoot down the US Apache in Israel, what would it be?

[Victorio]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Azerbaijan knows the details and reasons for the downing of our Mi-24 and what does it give us? This is to the question of Israel, which is bombing Syria's allies Iranians in Syria This is by the way that Iran would shoot down the US Apache in Israel, what would it be?

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Well, so the reaction was, bringing in peacekeepers, stopping the OBD. what else was needed, except to blast through that area with rockets, steal / destroy the guilty from Azerbaijan?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I'm afraid it will end as always - the court will issue a verdict, but it will not be possible to execute it, since Azerbaijan will shut up the case for clarity and will not voluntarily execute it. We will most likely not be able to put pressure on them, simply because we are afraid to put pressure on them.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Press with what? How not to skip tomatoes with the Turks? In general, if you look at that in Turkey they shot down and killed the ambassador now in Armenia they shot down our helicopter then the Ukrainians will come up with something like that then the Poles near Kaliningrad

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Press with what? How not to skip tomatoes with the Turks?

What is it about, alas.

[Ivanchester]

Andrei, good afternoon!

I also think that pressure in our situation is unrealistic.
But really the SVR and the FSB cannot find out the real circumstances of the incident, establish the perpetrators (from the one who physically fired the missile to the chief who gave the appropriate order) and then physically destroy them (most importantly, without the help of the "newbie" ). And then disseminate selective information about it through social networks or is there YouTube?
Then there would be no official claims against the Russian Federation, and at the same time there would be a clear realization of the inevitability of sad consequences for those who are thinking about killing our citizens.

[the most important]

Yes, even so. Let their tomatoes be brought to Turkey, and then the convolutions of those who make decisions who are more beneficial for Azerbaijan will immediately move in their brains.

[2-2-XNUMX]

Andrey, in my opinion, this is a normal reaction in modern measure, and a little, using the experience of the Russian Federation. For example, the reaction of the Russian Federation to the MH-17 (and in general to the events in D / LPR, Iran to the shooting down of UIA, Egypt on your board, and much more). I would not be surprised, by the way, with the frequency of such events. With a smile on the face of those in charge.
Further. Your fighter has completed a combat mission, with a lethal outcome (my sincere condolences) for relatively uninvolved people! What will you do with it. It is relatively dark, close to the border - the Central Command is such itself, such a decision was made. So your reaction?
What prevented Azerbaijan from warning about the flight? Few aircraft shot down in Ukraine in the same conditions? Flies - shoot down!
Snot, splashes are not for me (Andrey, this does not concern you in any way)! I would like a thoughtful answer.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: O-2-2

Flies - shoot down !.

Oh, not a popular opinion, but I personally agree with you. And another question is where to look for those to blame for creating such a situation

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: O-2-2

I would like a thoughtful answer.

Vitaly, this is one of two things.
Or we officially admit that there was an accident, that everything that happened was a tragic accident, which, alas, can happen in a combat zone, and then, after making the appropriate apologies, we leave everything as it is. This is a very possible option.
Or we say that there was a criminal negligence on the part of Azerbaijan, and then already we demand strict punishment of the guilty, in the absence of it, we conduct a trial, sentence the guilty to something and then punish them. For example, how Israel punished the terrorists who killed the Jewish national team.
Both options are possible and political. But we seem to be going the THIRD way - we declare that there has been criminal negligence, and ... do nothing. This is, to put it mildly, stupid and toothless politics. Said "A" - say "B", but you can't, and "A" had nothing to say

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

there was a criminal negligence on the part of Azerbaijan, and then already we demand strict punishment of those responsible

... direct payments of compensation to families. And then we find out what the helicopter was doing there and who sent it there, to the line of demarcation of the warring parties. From the planning side, the case is ugly and you need to think about how to avoid this in the future

[2-2-XNUMX]

I gave examples, Iran shot down, the situation there is generally a frightening imagination, and then what? We don't care, Iran says.
The policy of the Russian Federation is not making money for everyone.

[Captain45]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I'm afraid it will end as always - the court will issue a verdict, but it will not be possible to execute it, since Azerbaijan will hush the case for clarity and will not voluntarily execute it.

Anything can happen, Savchenko was sentenced to 20 years for a correspondent in Donbass. True, they later pardoned, but the very fact - they found, detained, brought to court, the trial took place, the verdict was passed, the guilty person was punished, and then some cunning policy was used.

[APASUS]

Unfortunately, big politics comes into play. Our state also does not need to aggravate relations much, I think now in Baku they will stir and pay a really large penalty and everyone will be happy, except for the families of the dead boys, of course.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Big politics to wipe your feet on nuclear brute

[bar]

the experts expressed suspicions that the Azerbaijani side “does not agree on something” and that the forces that are not controlled by official Baku could have brought down the Mi-24

It took less than two months to finish what a powerful discovery the Xperds made. Although it was immediately clear. And the fact that Erdogan will not betray his is also understandable. All hope for tomatoes ...

[panzerfaust]

And the loot for the helicopter, compensation to the families of the victims, the cost of burial, moral damage ??? That the horse wasn't lying around? Money was transferred, or "write letters" .....

[Nychego]

perpetrators face life imprisonment under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

Nothing threatens them in reality. Azerbaijan simply will not give them out, even if they are installed in excess of expectations. All this shaking of air and shaking of fists.
Time will pass - everything will subside, and someone will wipe out again.

[Dzafdet]

It is necessary to hit Baku YABB at 100 kT. In response to the attack, so to speak ...

[Tank hard]

The article provides for the maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

So what? And nothing has changed...

[Mmm.]

The order to start hostilities was given by the supreme commander, he is also responsible for the consequences

[faiver]

will this really change something in the end?

[tolmachiev51]

It looks like the "sultanates" hurried in advance! Aliyev "hand over" his friends zapadlo.

[jovanni]

Azerbaijan, for its part, does not provide any data on the perpetrators of the use of MANPADS against the Russian helicopter.

What's the use! Although military investigators are qualified, everything is as in that joke: are there any guilty ones? - nat! Well on nat and nat trials ...

[3M1N]

The downing of a helicopter and the death of the crew is negligence and the fault lies primarily with the higher management.