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Before December 25, 1825

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"The Decembrists on Senate Square". V.F. Timm. State Hermitage. St. Petersburg


- Then, Lord, erase us from the face of the Earth and create anew more perfect ...
Or better yet, leave us and let us go our own way.
“My heart is full of pity,” said Rumata slowly. - I can not do it.

(It's hard to be god. Strugatsky brothers)

History the first in Russia against the autocracy. There are events of such importance in the past that it was quite possible to fit their description into an article, traditional for Soviet journalism, by the solemn date. But for today they are (how to put it so mildly) a little simple.

And you have to be a very significant figure in the field of historical science in order to give an exhaustive explanation of such an event at the appropriate level of generalization of facts, and even with coined formulations of all the circumstances of time, place and action.

For example, on the website "Voennoye Obozreniye" such an attempt was made in relation to the events of December 25, 1825, known as the Decembrist uprising. And it seems - yes. We were told about them at school. Lenin sealed them with his "far from the people". But ... a lot of time has passed since then. There is plenty of information for today. So to present such an interesting topic in a rather concise presentation, in my opinion, means to a large extent to impoverish it.

And if so, then it makes sense to talk about those dramatic events in more detail. Starting with their premises and ending with ... the consequences. And since I do not have the talent for summarizing complex topics, in this story about the Decembrist uprising, a number of articles will be consistently presented to the attention of VO readers. And how many of them there will be in this cycle - God only knows. This is how the material will go and form into articles ...

Well, today we'll start from the beginning. From what took place in Russia and abroad long before 1825.

And it was that at the end of the XNUMXth century, the Great French Revolution took place in France, with its slogans, as well as with streams of blood, which struck the whole world. And then in Russia the legitimate monarch was once again killed. His place was taken by his eldest son, on whom this villainy (even if he did not know about its possibility at all) simply could not but have a strong moral and psychological impact.

Was Alexander I a decisive sovereign worthy to stand at the head of a great country? In some ways, yes, in others, no.

In the "battle of the peoples" near Leipzig, it was he who achieved the removal from command of the Austrian prince Schwarzenberg. This official (albeit indecisive) commander of the allied armies. And his replacement by Barclay de Tolly. And then he also insisted on the crossing of the coalition armies across the Rhine, although his allies hesitated. And it was he who, in the spring of 1814, convinced them to agree to go to Paris, which led to the fall of Napoleon's empire.

But it was he who at the Congress of Vienna also ensured that Louis XVIII was restored to the throne only after he signed the constitutional charter.

Before December 25, 1825
Portrait of M.I. Muravyov-Apostol. The work of N. Utkin. Illustration from the book “Russian Portraits of the 1905th – 1909th Centuries: Edition of the Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich. XNUMX-XNUMX New York Public Library Foundation


Coat of arms of the Muravyov family

At the same time in Paris, he announced that serfdom would be destroyed during his reign. And at the same time he was heard by many, including his own young officers.

"We were children of 1812!"

- wrote Matvey Muravyov-Apostol.

This meant hope in the minds of many that, having won such a victory, the king would rush to even greater accomplishments. Moreover, he himself spoke about them.

And after all he gave in 1808-1809. the constitution in Poland. And in 1816-1819. abolished serfdom in Courland, Livonia and Gotland (Latvia and Estonia). But for some reason he did not cancel it in any way in Russia itself. And this surprised many. And annoying.

The young officers wanted action, not expectation. In addition, they, and even their soldiers, were greatly influenced by what they saw outside Russia during the overseas campaigns of the Russian army. Decembrist A.A. Bestuzhev later recalled that all the troops, from the general to the last soldier, only talked about that:

“How good it is in foreign lands. And why is it wrong with us ?! "


Alexander Bestuzhev. Artist unknown


Coat of arms of the Bestuzhev family

And here at the services of educated officers was also the relevant literature: the printed texts of the constitutions of the North American United States and France, the works of I. Kant, G. Hegel, J.J. Rousseau and F. Voltaire, English economists A. Smith and I. Bentham.


Portrait of M.M. Speransky. Brushes A.G. Varneka


The coat of arms of Count Speransky is included in Part 11 of the General coat of arms of the noble families of the All-Russian Empire. P. eleven

However, knowledge usually prompts action.

And this is how secret societies arose in Russia. In 1816 the Salvation Union was created. And after he self-destructed in 1817, the Union of Welfare was formed (in 1818).

But would these unions have arisen if their members knew that under the tsar there are already two commissions that are fundamentally important for the fate of the state?

The first (NN Novosiltseva) was finalizing the draft constitution: "Charter of the Russian Empire" - the first constitution in the entire history of Russia. And the other (headed by A.A.Arakcheev) was preparing a project for the abolition of serfdom.

The king himself complained that he did not have enough people. But how to believe such a monarch, if the same Arakcheev was his favorite. And what he was doing in his Grudinin was known to all the nobles. And very many condemned him for this. The term "arakcheevshchina" appeared then for a reason. So, even if the future Decembrists knew about this very committee, they would most likely simply not believe in its good beginnings.


A.A. Arakcheev. Portrait by George Doe. State Hermitage


Coat of arms of the family of counts Arakcheev. Included in Part 9 of the General Armorial of Noble families of the All-Russian Empire. P. 36

But let's remember what all this happened in 1820. When a wave of revolutions swept through Europe again. And in Russia itself (and this was completely unheard of) the Semenovsky Guards regiment rebelled, whose soldiers simply could not stand the bullying from their regimental commander.

In 1821, the same N.N. Novosiltsev (already together with M.S. Vorontsov and A.S. Menshikov) developed and presented to Alexander I a draft of the abolition of serfdom. But the king left him without consequences. But he said that he would cancel it precisely during his reign ...


Portrait of N.N. Novosiltsev. The works of S.I. Shchukin. Not later than September 1, 1808 State Russian Museum


A copy of the coat of arms from the Herbovnik, issued by N.P. Novosiltsev 13.03.1830 Source: Estonian Historical Archives (Eesti Ajalooarhiiv) f. 854, op. 3, d.552

The most interesting thing is that Alexander knew about the existence of secret societies, in which conversations are held on topics up to regicide, and about who is in them. But he did not take any measures against them, stating:

"It's not for me to judge them."

There is a legend that Alexander, broken by the burden of power, did not die in Taganrog, but left his chambers early in the morning and ... left who knows where, hid from the world in Siberia, where he lived and grew old under the name of Fyodor Kuzmich. Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, his grand-nephew, told the story of this tragic and mysterious event in his memoirs. However, it is impossible to confirm or deny his story. Although the sovereign's fatigue from life is perhaps best spoken of by the lines he underlined from the prophet Ecclesiastes in his personal Bible:

"I have seen all the deeds that are done under the sun: and behold, all is vanity."

Well, what kind of unions were they? And what were their goals?


The alleged portrait of P.I. Pestel 1824


The image of the original coat of arms of Pestel on the seal of Boris Vladimirovich Pestel. Source: Troinitsky S.N., ed. "The coat of arms of Anisim Titovich Knyazev in 1785", p. 116, print. 39. SPb, 1912

First of all, we note the small number of the first union. It consisted of about 30 members in total. It was created by the brothers Alexander and Nikita Muravyovs, Matvey and Sergey Muravyovs-Apostles, Sergey Trubetskoy and Ivan Yakushkin.

P.I. Pestel also took an active part in it and created its charter. True, although he was accepted for lack of a better, most of the conspirators did not like it. There was a lot of Freemasonry in him. And all sorts of secret rituals only made it difficult for him to work.

Whatever it was, but one very serious question was discussed there: what to do with the sovereign? And then A.D. Yakushkin directly offered himself to be a regicide. That is, the solution to the issue of reforms in Russia began to be linked to the physical liquidation of the Russian autocrat. And immediately there were people who were ready to carry out this murder!


I. D. Yakushkin. Portrait of P. Sokolov

The second was the Union of Prosperity, which was joined by all the participants in the self-dissolved previous union and many others: in total, it had up to 200 people.

His charter - "Green Book" (in color of the cover) was more moderate. It was supposed to carry out the preparation of public opinion within 20 years. After which a revolution was planned - peaceful and painless. In 1820, at one of the meetings, the members of the society unanimously spoke in favor of establishing a republican form of government in Russia.


The coat of arms of the Yakushkin family is included in Part 4 of the General coat of arms of the noble families of the All-Russian Empire. P. 42

Soon, however, the future Decembrists learned that the tsar was well aware of the activities of the Union of Welfare. And so they decided to dissolve it.

Which was done in January 1821.

To be continued ...
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  1. Far B
    Far B 11 January 2021 05: 08
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    That is, the solution to the issue of reforms in Russia began to be linked to the physical liquidation of the Russian autocrat. And immediately there were people who were ready to carry out this murder!
    Well, what's miraculous about that? During the eighteenth century and at the beginning of the nineteenth, how many autocrats were killed in Russia? Three. Plus palace coups of varying degrees of insolence. Generally speaking, it’s commonplace.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 11 January 2021 08: 45
      +7
      Thanks to Vyacheslav for a balanced assessment of the activities of the Decembrists. This is already felt in the first article of the cycle. And then already tired of this swing. Either the Decembrists are fiery revolutionaries "far from the people", or a solid gang of adventurers-masons ... hi
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 11 January 2021 14: 43
      +4
      There are also differences: they cared about their needs. Remember Mirovich? And these had "Manilov" plans for general welfare
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 15: 59
        +4
        And what is Mirovich? An even greater adventurer.
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 11 January 2021 17: 28
          +3
          I say: '"they took care of their needs" and did not soar with manilovism
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 January 2021 15: 30
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      Well, what's miraculous about that? During the eighteenth century and at the beginning of the nineteenth, how many autocrats were killed in Russia

      Yes, they seemed to be preparing the transformation of the fatherland ... progressive? Did they really want to build it on blood? And the numerous royal family name? One is removed - the other becomes a contender. So the daggers will become dull ... Will there be reforms before the reforms? wassat
    4. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 11 January 2021 17: 29
      +5
      In general, of those who are considered the rulers of Russia-Russia from Rurik to Nicholas II, about one in three died a violent death. An extremely dangerous profession!
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 January 2021 19: 40
        +5
        "Tsars should be given milk for harm" (c)
      2. james
        james 12 January 2021 15: 22
        0
        Not only in Russia, Europe, and especially France will be outdone.
      3. Magog_
        Magog_ 13 January 2021 16: 38
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        In our history, in the interval "from Rurik to Nicholas II" there were such events as the Battle of Kulikovo, the fall of Constantinople, the Great Troubles, the replacement of the Tsar (Peter 1), the conquest of Catherine the Great, ... which, so to speak, preceded the events of the Patriotic War of 1812 and the December Uprising of 1825 and left a significant mark on the structure of the state, power and ideology (religion). Or, according to the author, all this "was long ago and not true"? And it does not deserve analysis and consideration as "historical prerequisites" for this uprising? The abolition of serfdom is a good and progressive idea, but few can confidently name the author of this regressive law in Russia ... And this should be pointed out as the cause of the new growing "turmoil", including among the nobility. Catherine took over vast territories, we will formalize a new "Russian Empire", which was subordinated to the will of impostors - the so-called "Romanov", that is, simply occupied. And it is not necessary to present the matter in such a way that at that time no one in Russian society understood this. Hence the series of palace coups and murders - the impostors cannot get power in another way! "Abolition of Serfdom" - ha, ha! Usurpers and impostors have seen this in their best dreams: funny! The tradition and slogan "All power is from God" in Russia and in the world are not empty words. If the first Romanovs could still justify their power under this slogan, then the impostors (starting from the false Peter 1) no longer call themselves "God's anointed ones" ... Kinship with Christ did not work! And what authority in power could there be even among the nobles? Moreover, the Russian people for the most part in their military campaigns have visited the lands of "enlightened Europe" and saw how people live under other monarchies ... This is so - briefly and thesis. Who thinks otherwise - dig further ...
  2. Catfish
    Catfish 11 January 2021 05: 12
    +6
    Good morning friends! hi
    In January, publishing about the Decembrists is in the spirit of our time and purely in Russian. Like "everything was stolen before us", but we just got together.
    But, in any case, thanks to Vyacheslav for the new article. smile
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 11 January 2021 08: 47
      +7
      Konstantin Greetings hi ! Normal topic, by October - November we will just reach the Revolutions of 1917 wink
      The topic is interesting, the history of the creation of secret societies in Russia - which led to the uprising of the Decembrists in 1825, awakened Herzen, gave birth to Narodnaya Volya and other revolutionaries - is practically inexhaustible! Add here the terror directed against the Russian Emperors and their entourage - The series of articles will turn out to be Very entertaining! Shpakovsky V. A - Thank you for the New topic, we look forward to continuing ... hi
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 11 January 2021 13: 50
        +7
        Hi Aleksey hi !
        For some reason, the miners are especially angry today, they seem to have gotten out "into the light" after a festive binge, and there is nothing to pour sorrow with. laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 January 2021 14: 11
          +9
          And that's okay, Uncle Kostya.
          Killed a beaver - saved a tree!
          I bought Latvian sprats - helped the SS veterans!
          He said "thanks" to Shpakovsky - he became an enemy of the people!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 11 January 2021 14: 17
            +4
            Hello Anton smile ... As it was in "Stirlitz": "If you smoke enemy cigarettes, you have sold yourself to the enemy." laughing
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 January 2021 14: 22
              +6
              Uh-huh.
              "Today he plays jazz,
              And tomorrow he will sell his homeland! "
              1. mr.ZinGer
                mr.ZinGer 11 January 2021 21: 53
                +2
                Mr. Shpakovsky loves jazz, he himself admitted!
          2. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 15: 00
            +6
            He said "thanks" to Shpakovsky - he became an enemy of the people!

            Yes, yes, start praying and repenting! drinks The lower you bow, the better! laughing
            He said "thanks" to Shpakovsky - he became an enemy of the people!

            We will go to feed from the opposite. We will talk about Shpakov's nasty things, and they will hang pluses for us. How do you like my cunning plan? wink drinks
            To our Vyacheslav Olegovich - if you are reading this, then we ask for forgiveness, such humor! drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 January 2021 16: 04
              +3
              How do you like my cunning plan?
              Fair? So so ... Read my correspondence with Shpakovsky on the forum over the past few days.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 16: 10
                +6
                Read my correspondence with Shpakovsky on the forum over the past few days.

                You said kind words to each other, like Bonaparte and Alexander in Tilsit? belay
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 January 2021 16: 15
                  +3
                  No, we are educated people imbued with mutual respect.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 16: 18
                    +4
                    No, we are educated people imbued with mutual respect.

                    Are you saying that the "great emperor" and the Russian autocrat were ill-mannered and not penetrated? tongue
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 16: 22
                      +3
                      Mutual respect is definitely not about them.
          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 11 January 2021 15: 09
            +8
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            And that's okay, Uncle Kostya.
            Killed a beaver - saved a tree!
            I bought Latvian sprats - helped the SS veterans!
            He said "thanks" to Shpakovsky - he became an enemy of the people!

            Hello Anton! hi
            I went online via Yandex, Google, Mail.ru - I helped world Zionism to basely bomb Syria! And the minuses to Shpakovsky's support group will not help in any way to correct this vile situation! sad
            The enemies of the communists from the readers of Vyacheslav Olegovich have forgotten the fundamental principles of proletarian discourse - leaflets, comrades! Leaflets and flyers! I stood next to the Magnet of Novodrischensk and branded Shpakovshchina with a revolutionary printed word, explaining to pensioners and the working class of Central Asia exploited by the oligarchy the whole danger of revisionism of the Decembrists, a movement far from the people, class alien to the Bolsheviks!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 January 2021 15: 26
              +6
              Hi Albert!
              Well, there is nowhere to put brands on me. Aunt Haya herself recruited me!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 11 January 2021 15: 29
                +6
                "Aunt Haya, greetings to you from Mordechai
                He lives on Fifth Avenue
                Boris Sichkin there with a neighbor treated me to lunch
                I'll call him on Saturday "(c)
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 January 2021 15: 32
                  +6
                  And I thought you'd ask: what aunt Haya?
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 11 January 2021 16: 14
                    +6
                    She is one - Tokarevskaya))
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 16: 20
                      +4
                      There was something else, so I don't remember offhand ...
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 January 2021 17: 43
                        +5
                        Babel had an aunt Basia, who sent Bene a boy as a messenger who always had a few words to say)).
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 17: 51
                        +5
                        Is this the same aunt Basia who ran a brothel in Moldavanka?
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 January 2021 18: 35
                        +5
                        I kept Shaw for sure, but I don't remember a brothel on Moldovanka or a kosher chicken cutter on Myasoedovskaya laughing
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 18: 46
                        +5
                        Oh wei! Did Aunt Basya also encourage BDSM? What a disgrace! Old man Hertz would definitely disapprove!
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 January 2021 19: 20
                        +5
                        laughing you and I have different understandings of the meaning of the abbreviation BDSM what
                        For every fireman:
                        B - Bandage (binding, restriction);
                        D - Domination;
                        C - Sadism;
                        M - Masochism
                        And also a combination of all derivatives fellow
                        As for the combination of cutting chickens and love games - it's more like Voodoo, but Aunt Basya has a slightly different cultural and religious origin)).
                      6. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 19: 24
                        +4
                        See S. Slepakov "Chicken"
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 January 2021 19: 28
                        +5
                        Chicken who parks like that?
                        Is it about Aunt Basya or BDSM? what
                      8. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 19: 41
                        +4
                        OK. Got it. This time my buffoonery did not go. Let's leave "for later"
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 16: 07
    +5
    the whole danger of revisionism

    You are directing the terms of Mao Zedong! laughing Hi, good to see Albert!
    "And who does not honor quotations -
    That renegade and bastard,
    We'll stick a dazibao on his ass! "
    fellow wink
    In general, dear comrades, the second question is on the agenda - who are we going to glue first? Shpakovsky ahead, or will he, as a pensioner, be the last to receive a benefit? ... and then either the glue runs out, or the dazibao runs out, or the avengers go to the party meeting ... laughing drinks
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 11 January 2021 16: 20
      +5
      Dazibao is a weapon of the Maoist, who denounces from behind! fellow
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 16: 24
        +4
        Dazibao is a weapon of the Maoist, who denounces from behind!

        What a twist! belay Have you tried to become a lawyer? good Can you imagine the verdict: "To sentence such and such for shameful words to wearing twenty dazibao for two weeks, seven days a week!" fellow
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 January 2021 17: 00
          +4
          And a life-long tattoo on this very place? lol
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 17: 16
            +3
            And a life-long tattoo on this very place?

            And not only that .... in bold letters, and with an intricate picture. wink
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2021 19: 12
    +4
    Anton, next time you have to say: "byaka Shpakovsky" + count?
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 19: 22
      +4
      You see, drtszhische, it's all about objectivity. If I believe that Shpakovsky is wrong, then I openly declare this and give reasons for my statements. And I consider anonymous minusism to be rudeness and cattle.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 January 2021 19: 58
        +4
        Here I agree. Q. He writes interestingly, but from time to time he thoroughly introduces it. Should we give up good materials because of "bends"?
        I have said and still say for a long time: Valery and V. About whose authors should be carefully read. Want to argue with reason
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 January 2021 20: 21
          +3
          I have said and still say for a long time: Valery and V. About whose authors should be carefully read. Want to argue with reason
          This is what I practice
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2021 19: 30
    +5
    "I bought Latvian sprats" I will not be accused of this. Since childhood I love: "Sprat or" Gobies in a tomato "world snack" (c)
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 11 January 2021 22: 28
      +3
      Yes. And the sprats cannot reach the sprats.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 11 January 2021 14: 14
    +5
    Konstantin, maybe they again went into a binge on the eve of the New Year in the Old Style ??? laughing Let them play around, put minuses - you don't need much mind bully
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 11 January 2021 14: 22
      +6
      ... went into a binge again ...

      "So life could not seem ..." (c) laughing
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 11 January 2021 15: 40
    +3
    Hunting expert, you are ahead of me: the most interesting topic of secret societies in Russia. How did you start, what were the plans?
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 11 January 2021 15: 42
      +2
      Forgive me Dear Astra hi The topic is really practically inexhaustible ... and you can argue to Infinity fellow
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 January 2021 09: 17
    +2
    Good day.
    I think one should pay attention to the coats of arms of these historical heroes. It was on these images that Vyacheslav Olegovich emphasized in the last articles.
    Well, and the fact that the December events are published in January ... Here and the editorial board could "intervene".
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 09: 45
      +4
      Here and the editorial board could "intervene".
      Igor! hi
      This is unlikely.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 11 January 2021 10: 27
        +4
        I mean a certain "queue" that exists when submitting it to the editor. Of course, no one deliberately delays the articles.
  • Operator
    Operator 11 January 2021 09: 54
    +3
    We still have December according to the old style laughing
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 11 January 2021 10: 08
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      We still have December according to the old style laughing

      good good good Quite Right, December 29 Old Style Today ... Holidays Are Coming drinks
  • ee2100
    ee2100 11 January 2021 05: 53
    +6
    "But let's remember what all this happened in 1820. When a wave of revolutions swept across Europe again. And in Russia itself (and this was completely unheard of) the Semyonovsky Guards Regiment rebelled, whose soldiers simply could not stand the bullying from their regimental commander." from)
    It is a stretch to link the uprising of the Semyonovsky regiment with the "revolution". The discontent of the officers and soldiers of the regiment was caused by the replacement of the regiment commander Potemkin with Schwartz.
    The latter took up discipline and very zealously began to tighten the "screws" and this was received with hostility by the officers, who were called on to serve and the soldiers, who were also forced to devote more time to service, and not to artel affairs. Before Schwartz, familiar relations reigned in the regiment. And this is not only in the Semovsky regiment. In the army, the so-called. guards stories, protests (in the form of collective resignations) against unwanted commanders, which show the changed atmosphere in the army and specifically in the guards.
    Indeed, Schwartz was Arakcheev's man, but he was not ready for such a confrontation, which led to an act of open disobedience.
    The investigation dealt with this "uprising", the guilty were punished, the regiment was disbanded.
    1. apro
      apro 11 January 2021 06: 35
      +2
      Quote: ee2100
      who, too, were forced to devote more time to service, and not to artel affairs

      The age-old dream ... to put the army on self-supply. And then you have to choose either a bp or a revolt. Or an army or an artel of shabashniks.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 08: 14
        +8
        In some way, not a dream, but a century and a half reality
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 11 January 2021 09: 11
          +6
          Therefore, when O'Henry in "Kings and Cabbage" praises the "fleet" with the Fool, which does not require appropriations from the state, we find analogies from different industries.
        2. Terran ghost
          Terran ghost 11 January 2021 14: 30
          +4
          In some way, not a dream, but a century and a half reality

          It's just like ... the army is either regular or "self-obsessed." History shows that these two qualities are not combined in one.
          And yet, yes - quite a reality. Archers (semi-regular troops), Cossacks or the same state militias in the United States (irregulars).
          True, one must also understand that then (the first half of the 19th century), on the whole, a much smaller percentage of the gross domestic product (in all large countries of the world) turned into budget revenues.
        3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 11 January 2021 15: 22
          +2
          Well, in a way, from the princes of the times of Rurik to Shoigu - almost a thousand-year reality! And yet it turned out quite well at times !!! And the invasions or wars that happened broke these schemes, but then everything returned to normal ...
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 08: 06
      +8
      It is a stretch to link the uprising of the Semyonovsky regiment with the "revolution".
      I agree. To associate the "Semyonovites" with the Decembrists is a traditional but vicious practice.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 11 January 2021 08: 50
        +4
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        It is a stretch to link the uprising of the Semyonovsky regiment with the "revolution".
        I agree. To associate the "Semyonovites" with the Decembrists is a traditional but vicious practice.

        Greetings Anton hi You are right, the Semenovtsy actually raised a "spontaneous" Riot against the difficult conditions of service and the arbitrariness of the officers!
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 January 2021 09: 36
          +5
          Hello, Alexey!
          The Semyonov revolt is just the brightest prominence of dissatisfaction with the general state of affairs in the army.
        2. apro
          apro 11 January 2021 11: 13
          0
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Revolt against difficult conditions of service and arbitrariness of officers!

          Serve arbitrariness ??? but that's where the army ends ...
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 11 January 2021 11: 19
            +1
            Quote: apro

            Serve arbitrariness ??? but that's where the army ends ...

            What are you talking about? And there is no need to pull my words out of context negative For "alternatively" gifted - Pane Kohanku's comment below on the thread, I see no reason to write in a new way - what was happening there and what actions of Schwartz personally and some of the regiment's officers led to a riot.
            1. apro
              apro 11 January 2021 11: 26
              +1
              Yes ... and the actions of the artel workers also need to be mentioned. Most of the time they were engaged in making money. And the service faded into the background. And many of course did not like this situation ... either to perform official duties for free ... or to engage in commercial activities ... you know the difference ???
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 33
                +7
                engage in commercial activities
                Obviously not from a good life. By 1825, the treasury was supposed to guard 120 thousand rubles only in salary.
                1. apro
                  apro 11 January 2021 11: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  By 1825, the treasury was supposed to guard 120 thousand rubles only in salary.

                  Yes. I understand. All because of the attendants. But these issues should be decided by someone. Or by the will of God? Or the monarch? And considering that the guards are nobles. And they, as you know, owned both land and serfs. And must serve for this .. then somehow strange it turns out ... both allowance and a share in the business and property that brings income ... and without money ..
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 45
                    +6
                    What kind of nobles?!?!?!
                    Do not confuse the Cavalry and Horse Guards regiments with infantry. There are nobles, and the rank and file of the infantry guard, ordinary peasants.
                    1. apro
                      apro 11 January 2021 11: 55
                      +4
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      and the rank and file of the infantry guard, ordinary peasants

                      Not always. And sergeant positions were occupied by nobles.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 58
                        +4
                        I agree, but this is absolutely out of wickedness.
                      2. apro
                        apro 11 January 2021 12: 04
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        I agree, but this is absolutely out of wickedness.

                        And about the attitude to the service ...
                        The Russians in the war with France. Were surprised by the financial situation of the French and their attitude to the service. And I really wanted to have it at home. But despite the apparent power, it’s still a poor country. And no one studied the reasons for this. We thought we’ll do it like in Europe .. .and live
                      3. svd-xnumx
                        svd-xnumx 11 January 2021 15: 08
                        +2
                        everyone thought we’ll do it like in Europe ... and we’ll live
                        At the same time, as now, it was someone else (the emperor, the president, the prime minister) who did it, not me. What prevented those nobles from rebuilding their peasants' huts in "palaces", and not losing fortunes at cards and spending on "artists".
                      4. apro
                        apro 11 January 2021 15: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: svd-xnumx
                        What prevented those nobles from rebuilding the houses of their peasants into "palaces", and not from losing their fortunes at cards and spending on "artists".

                        What will people say ??? and their grandmothers ... and not strangers. They need to be protected.
            2. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 11 January 2021 11: 55
              +4
              Quote: apro

              and if you consider that the guards are noblemen. and they, as you know, owned both land and serf. and must serve for this .. it’s somehow strange it turns out ... and allowance and share in business and property that brings income. and without money ..

              What are you writing about? laughing Spit to the nobleman in the face and give Zubotychin belay These are the Peasants from the Recruitment Kits! Nobleman - Would shoot Schwartz like a dog, and he would be Absolutely Right!
              1. apro
                apro 11 January 2021 12: 00
                +3
                Quote: Hunter 2
                What are you writing about?

                About how they serve and live according to the charter.
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 11 January 2021 12: 27
                +8
                Nobleman - Would shoot Schwartz like a dog, and he would be Absolutely Right!
                And I would go along the Vladimir tract ...
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 11 January 2021 12: 34
                  +5
                  But the Honor of the Officer and the Nobleman - Preserved! There are actually quite a few examples.
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 January 2021 12: 39
                  +10
                  Those convicted of murder were deprived of the nobility.
                3. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 11 January 2021 12: 43
                  +4
                  Well, here ... again, the concept of Honor, there are cases when those who committed a murder did not reserve the right to life. And also - the family did not lose the nobility ...
                4. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 January 2021 12: 50
                  +8
                  Have you read Lotman's Conversations on Russian Culture for an hour?
                5. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 11 January 2021 12: 51
                  +4
                  Unfortunately not request
                6. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 January 2021 12: 53
                  +6
                  Recommend. A very capacious monograph about the life and customs of the Russian nobility.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 11 January 2021 11: 33
    +8
    Does this somehow justify Schwartz's actions? Scratching, spitting in the face of subordinates, corporal punishment of War Heroes (illegal)? Moreover, this can even be called a Riot at a stretch, the Soldiers demanded - to observe Their legal rights, having tried all the Legal opportunities for their own protection. Without Blood and Without shooting ...
    Why are you really attached to these artels ???
    1. apro
      apro 11 January 2021 11: 45
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      corporal punishment of War Heroes (illegal)?

      Corporal punishment is provided for by the charter of that time? And the hero is not a hero, everything is according to the law ..
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Why are you really attached to these artels ???

      It is necessary to understand the daily life of the Russian army in order to judge something.
      I do not in any way justify the actions of Schwartz. But for me in the past there was a similar example during the service, when the establishment of the statutory order was faced with insubordination.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 53
        +8
        a hero is not a hero everything is according to the law ..
        You are not right. Those who were awarded the "George" were prohibited from subjecting them to corporal punishment.
        1. apro
          apro 11 January 2021 11: 58
          +2
          Is it okay to disobey orders?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 11 January 2021 12: 24
            +4
            No, of course, in wartime it is punishable by firing squad, but for the peaceful there are garrison service regulations that are mandatory for everyone, from commander to private. Schwartz, as an appointee of (!) Arakcheev himself, who, in turn, decided that the current situation in the army could be corrected by order, they grossly violated. The result was a riot.
          2. apro
            apro 11 January 2021 13: 19
            +4
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Arakcheev, who, in turn, decided that the current situation in the army could be corrected by order,

            Arakcheev, the most slandered figure of the era, the imposition of service always stumbles upon the opposition of the loose part of the personnel.
            On the topic of the uprising of the Oryol regiment, there was a video at Puchkov's place. Interesting facts surfaced.
    2. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 11 January 2021 12: 01
      +5
      Quote: apro
      Quote: Hunter 2
      corporal punishment of War Heroes (illegal)?

      Corporal punishment is provided for by the charter of that time? And the hero is not a hero, everything is according to the law ..
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Why are you really attached to these artels ???

      It is necessary to understand the daily life of the Russian army in order to judge something.
      I do not in any way justify the actions of Schwartz. But for me in the past there was a similar example during the service, when the establishment of the statutory order was faced with insubordination.

      Well ... this is just the case - When one eccentric can ask more questions than a hundred smart ones will answer ... you at least read the literature about those times. In accordance with the privileges of the George Cavaliers - corporal punishment is not acceptable to them!
      Well, about understanding the everyday life of the Russian army of that time - in fact, I try to convey to you, Try to understand it not through your own inventions but through the works of historians and contemporaries of those events! Further, I consider the dialogue meaningless.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 11 January 2021 13: 05
    +4
    "Does this somehow justify the actions of Schwartz? Scratching, spitting in the face of subordinates, corporal punishment of the War Heroes (illegal)? And this can even be called a Riot at a stretch, the Soldiers demanded that they observe Their legal rights, having tried all Legal opportunities for their own protection. Without Blood and No shooting ...
    Why are you really attached to these artel workers ??? "Hunting expert 2
    After the end of the war of 1812, the relationship between officers and soldiers changed in the army, everyone considered themselves victorious veterans, which brings them closer and, of course, influenced the atmosphere of freedom in Europe. Discipline in the army fell. Often officers appeared at the regiment's location to carry the guard, and at "office meetings" see drinking parties. "Legal requirements" is actually a concept and has nothing to do with duties of service and the Charter.
    Some of the officers, in protest against the establishment of order in the army, resigned and the junior ranks perfectly understood the reasons for these dismissals. This was felt by representatives of the older generation. For example, the chief of the General Staff, Prince P. M. Volkonsky, after one of these stories, wrote: “Why did none of us, under the late emperor, even think about leaving the service because we were commanded and taught by the Kuprianovs, Karakulins, Malyutins and others? " Also: General AA Zakrevsky: "Every officer of the Guards (starting from the last warrant officer) considers himself to have the right to talk about any order of his superiors, to condemn it and, having made his own conclusions, carry it around the city with his own notes."
    During the service, the soldier acquired one or more civilian specialties of a tailor, furrier, shoemaker, carpenter, locksmith, blacksmith, etc. these were the realities of that service. All these specialties were in demand in peacetime. So it turns out that the soldier's time was divided between serving and working in an artel. In the capital's regiments, and we are talking about Semyonovsky, the soldiers didn’t go far. Arakcheev and removed Potemkin with whom the officers were just drinking and put Schwartz on the line.
    Why is the regiment commander engaged in, as they say here, drill? Yes, because the officers did not appear on duty ignoring the orders of the commander. And the soldiers see everything! And to bring the commander of the regiment to the parade ground by not fulfilling or poorly following orders to "white heat" is a trifling matter. Schwartz was thrown off, and hence the jaws and spits in the face.
    This is the Soviet historiography wants to show the fiendish commanders mocking the poor soldiers.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 10: 52
    +8
    I agree. To associate the "Semyonovites" with the Decembrists is a traditional but vicious practice.

    Schwartz really drove a lot of them around the parade ground, moreover, he began to "lose edge". hi
    The new commander was greeted by the officers with markedly coldness and with his first steps only exacerbated the alienation with his subordinates. Schwartz began to train companies for company commanders, doing this in a rude manner and in violation of the regiment's traditions. According to some reports, he allowed himself to spit in the face of the soldiers and beat them. Corporal punishment is back in common use. This treatment caused a murmur among the lower ranks.
    On October 15, 1820, the soldiers of the first "sovereign" company filed a collective complaint with their officers, who reported the complaint to their higher authorities. The soldiers complained that Schwartz demanded impeccable uniforms, which had to be prepared for countless parades day and night. Complaints were also caused by the fact that Schwartz demanded that the costs of worn-out uniforms be covered from soldiers' money. Finally, the soldiers complained about corporal punishment, which even those lower ranks who were awarded the insignia of the Military Order ("St. George's Cross") were subjected to. The latter was illegal.

    By that time, many of their trousers were whitewashed to holes, and the soldiers on solemn occasions had a very wrinkled appearance - from fatigue! request
    As a result, the first rebellious company went to Petropavlovka under the escort of two companies of the Pavlovsky Life Guards regiment. Here's an interesting fact. As you remember, this regiment was dashing, and for Friedland it was awarded its copper grenadiers, which he wore at parades before the First World War. When, five years later, the leaders of the Decembrists were hanged, Pavlovtsy also stood in the cordon. That is, we can assume that this regiment enjoyed exceptional confidence! soldier
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 20
      +5
      this regiment enjoyed exceptional confidence!
      Uh-huh, especially after their boss Osterman-Tolstoy was dismissed from his post for his connection with the Decembrists. No.
      As for the convoy of the Semyonovites, I think those who were closer were sent.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 11: 32
        +6
        Uh-huh, especially after their boss Osterman-Tolstoy was dismissed from his post for his connection with the Decembrists.

        Osterman-Tolstoy had long been out of work by the time of the uprising. As you remember, under Kulm his arm was torn off. By the way, many Decembrists had the Kulm cross - Trubetskoy, Obolensky, Yakushkin (seen in the portrait) and others. And Osterman-Tolstoy's connection with secret societies is questionable. The fact that several scattered conspirators took refuge in his house, and then he fought for his relatives, still says nothing. His portrait was not removed from the gallery of the Winter Palace - as was done, for example, with the portrait of Volkonsky, who was really condemned.
        As for the convoy of the Semyonovites, I think those who were closer were sent.

        When the leaders were hanged, they also sent those who were closer? ... hi
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 38
          +4
          Normally so out of work! 1828 filed a petition for reinstatement in the army.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 11: 43
            +5
            1828 filed a petition for reinstatement in the army.

            AND? Does this mean something? Prior to that, he was on indefinite leave. Being the chief of some kind of regiment does not mean participating fully in his life.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 48
              +5
              Osterman, by the way, was actively involved.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 11: 55
                +5
                Osterman, by the way, was actively involved.

                Link to sources! wink drinks
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 January 2021 11: 56
                  +4
                  I'll look, okay?
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 12: 00
                    +3
                    I'll look, okay?

                    Anton, you are my friend, so naturally I would like to see the link. yes It's just that I don't know anything about Osterman's participation, and if you really find a link to any historical site about it, I will be glad to learn something new. good From you - especially! (and shuffled his foot!) drinks
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 11 January 2021 12: 14
                    +3
                    Not really my topic, so I don't promise that it will be fast.
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 11 January 2021 14: 08
        +5
        "with a portrait of Volkonsky" Volkonsky was one of the leaders, and Osterman-Tolstoy? This is new and doubtful to me
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 14: 13
          +3
          "with a portrait of Volkonsky" Volkonsky was one of the leaders, and Osterman-Tolstoy? This is new and doubtful to me

          Anton, apparently, read about it somewhere. I have not seen such information. what It's okay - if we know how to communicate, then the dispute will not turn into abuse, but we can really find out the truth. drinks
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 11 January 2021 15: 16
            +2
            I'm sorry, I was misunderstood. To clarify, I did not mean a conspiracy, but Osterman's participation in the life of the Pavlovsk regiment, as its chief.
            But ignorance about the conspiracy of Olenin Sr. really raises doubts. The story is too muddy.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 16: 01
              +2
              I'm sorry, I was misunderstood. To clarify, I did not mean a conspiracy, but Osterman's participation in the life of the Pavlovsk regiment, as its chief.

              The conversation on my part was that the Pavlovtsy were used at the right time as a kind of force to subdue the rebels from other units, and there were two such precedents. drinks In the life of the regiment, of course, he participated, one way or another - as a chief. Submit a note, complain about someone, knock out some buns ... hi
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 11 January 2021 16: 11
                +3
                So these very buns led to the fact that the "Pavlovtsy" were the most organized part of the garrison. In addition, they were a "young guard" that was not ossified in tradition.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 January 2021 07: 17
    +5
    “Gentlemen Democrats, did you know examples,
    When your colleagues committed terror,
    Destroyed the color of the nation with the sword of Robespierre,
    And Paris to this day washes away shame ”(c).

    About a synopsis.
    Even Lev Tolstoy slightly reproached Dostoevsky for completing the plot, and then adding novels for the pages. But here are the titans.

    In our “newspaper” format, the topic is set. And with her from Christmastide, knowing your talents, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you can meet spring.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 11 January 2021 07: 25
    +6
    From the coats of arms. The coat of arms of the Bestuzhevs is good. Derived from the British. Laconic and graceful. The golden flower is probably undetectable. One can assume something rosaceous.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 11 January 2021 07: 45
    +2
    “How good it is in foreign lands. And why is it wrong with us ?! " This phrase expresses the whole worldview of the degenerating nobility. The majority of the Russian intelligentsia likes to say the same. Well, the intelligentsia can still be forgiven for such an expression, it has always been far from the country in which it lives, then a descendant of the Bestuzhev and Bestuzhev-Ryumin (Bezstuzhev) clan is an ancient Russian noble family, one of the branches of which (1742-1768) bore the title of count, such a saying does not paint. Nothing prevented this count, whose family is entered in the velvet book, from making a small Europe out of his many estates, just giving free peasants, building schools, improving roads, for example, creating a weaving factory in his place. But where there, it did not even occur to me. For example, Stanislav, also a count, although a Pole, the nephew of King Poniatowski, Stanislav, when visiting his estates, came up with such an idea, and he put it into action. Well, our bar, where is it! Blue blood, they only need to threaten the tsar, but their fantastic projects, according to the structure of Russia, to be implemented. And so everything suited them, the peasants worked for them, the managers regularly send money, and if there is any peasant, they screw up to death in the stable, they don't care. Do you understand the nobles.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 09: 54
      +2
      “How good it is in foreign lands. And why is it wrong with us ?! " This phrase expresses the whole worldview of the degenerating nobility.
      And in 1877, the rank and file of the army that entered Bulgaria said so. Degenerate too?
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 11 January 2021 13: 08
        +4
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        And in 1877, the rank and file of the army that entered Bulgaria said so. Degenerate too?

        Yes, they said so? Is it about Bulgaria, which was under the Turks? You can link to this statement. I don't think that in those days the Bulgarian peasants lived better than the Russian ones ...
        I admit, they could have been surprised by the nature, the climate, especially those from the middle lane, but not by the life of the Bulgarians. Why is it wrong with us, and why it became clear in the 17th year, which put everything in its place. In our country, both in Soviet times and now, villages are different from European ones and they do not surprise ordinary people ...
        ....... To each his own homeland ...
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 11 January 2021 15: 38
          +6
          You can link to this statement. I don't think that in those days the Bulgarian peasants lived better than the Russian ones ...

          Will fit?
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 11 January 2021 20: 32
            +2
            But the war correspondent of the "Russian Word", Vasily Nemirovich-Danchenko, was of a different opinion ..... smallpox began in the gods' villages, a rotten fever lasts for the second week ...
            endowing with slaps and slaps on the head much more generously than bread, they eat sparsely,
            live dirty. You can't go into another dugout. So he is mistaken by the smell of a typhoid patient with a burning dung. Where is this vaunted wealth of the unfortunate, about which so much shout in our country? See what a Bulgarian eats. Of course, solemnly driving around here in
            As the authorities, and staying with the Chorbadzhievs, it is no wonder, judging by them, to conclude about the extraordinary wealth of the Bulgarian population. After the war, when its burning impressions subside and the cold, unadorned truth comes to the fore, we will hear the testimony of more impartial people. Then, perhaps, the “remarkable wealth” of the Bulgarians will not be enviable to anyone ”24
            ... In the gray
            The reporter described the state of houses in Bogota in tones: “All houses ... are not houses, but just dugouts. There is only a roof above the ground, in it there is something like a window on a par with
            soil; the entrance to the dugout goes down by steps, the entrance is also covered with a roof ... The steps lead to a completely dark upper room, on the floor there is a fire. The floor is the same land
            somehow killed ... There are no better houses in the village. All are the same "25
            ... So how many people have so many opinions. Compared to central Russia it looks better, but our black earth will be richer.
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 11 January 2021 20: 52
              +3
              And you carefully re-read the scan :)))
              Below there is still approximately the same opinion of Krestovsky. It must be understood that reality is always ambiguous, but it must be admitted that, in general, Bulgarian peasants lived much more prosperous than ours, say, in the same non-black earth zone. Firstly, because of the climate and better soil fertility, and secondly, because ... sometimes it's just nowhere worse than ours. The "liberation reform" hit one end for the master, the other for the man
              But the main thing that surprised the illiterate Russian soldiers was the abundance of majestic stone Orthodox churches in Bulgaria "suffering for the faith".
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 11 January 2021 21: 11
                +1
                I carefully read not only the scan but also the letters of S.P. Botkin, for example, he was not very enthusiastic about churches. Otherwise, the Russian middle band cannot be compared with Bulgaria. We have one month summer, two winter, the rest is autumn. There are beautiful temples in the middle lane ..........
                1. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman 11 January 2021 21: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Otherwise, the Russian middle band cannot be compared with Bulgaria

                  Of course.
                  Quote: Unknown
                  There are beautiful temples in the middle lane ..........

                  Yeah, but the joint venture was not part of the Muslim empire and in it it seems to be normal :)))
                  By the way, about the pictures you posted. There, if you haven't noticed, the war was going on. This is nothing, at least some kind of roof over your head. People migrated there. Christians hid from the Bashi-bazouks, Muslims fled from ours. And it happened that their own fellow villagers-gentiles robbed them even before the approach of the troops.
                  1. Unknown
                    Unknown 11 January 2021 21: 29
                    +1
                    Religious tolerance is one of the features of Russia and Russians. Tatarstan, Bashkiria are Muslims in the majority of the population, and as part of Russia for more than one hundred years, Orthodox churches stand next to mosques, without interfering with each other ...
                    1. Senior seaman
                      Senior seaman 11 January 2021 21: 44
                      +5
                      Forgive me, but how does Russian religious tolerance testify
                      Quote: Unknown
                      about Bulgaria, which was under the Turks?

                      It seemed incredible to you that Russian soldiers could marvel at the prosperity of the Bulgarians. So?
                      Proof was provided to you. About the fact that views on one and the same events may differ slightly more than completely, they warned ... what else?
                      1. Unknown
                        Unknown 12 January 2021 07: 37
                        +1
                        I said before that the soldiers could be surprised at the fertile land, climate, etc. in Bulgaria, but the question was why in Russia it is not the same as there, and this was also sorted out. You say that the Bulgarians lived well under the Turks and they allowed them to build churches. At that time Bulgaria was part of the Ottoman Empire, and I do not claim that the Bulgarians lived there badly. I am saying that the Muslims who lived on the territory of R.I. also lived prosperously and could build mosques. But I used to believe what I see, and photos from the Russian-Turkish war show a lot, the same houses and the life of Bulgarians at that time.
                      2. Senior seaman
                        Senior seaman 12 January 2021 16: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Unknown
                        You say that the Bulgarians lived well under the Turks

                        Not me. Sources. And not abstractly "not bad", but "better than Russian peasants in military uniforms who came to liberate them"
                        Different people perceived Bulgaria differently. https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/bolgariya-i-bolgary-glazami-russkih-v-xix-stoletii-v-period-russko-turetskoy-voyny-1877-1878-gg-i-do-nee/ viewer
                        But people generally tend to absolutize their experience. Take the author of the article. In his youth, he knew a drinking tractor driver in one of the depressed villages and now seriously believes that they are all like that.
                      3. Unknown
                        Unknown 13 January 2021 03: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        Not me. Sources. And not abstractly "not bad", but "better than Russian peasants in military uniforms who came to liberate them"
                        Different people perceived Bulgaria differently.

                        Likewise, R.I., too, must be perceived differently, it is larger in size, a different climate and many nationalities. The middle lane does not judge the whole of Russia. Bulgarians ...
                        Photo of Bulgaria 1877-1878 - see pictures
                        Yandex.Pictures ›photo of bulgaria 1877-1878
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        But people generally tend to absolutize their experience. Take the author of the article.

                        Just do not compare me with the author, it is not an appropriate comparison. While serving in S.A. in the early 80s, guys from the villages of the middle lane, having got to the Turkvo city of Chirchik, also admired the climate, the place itself and said that Uzbeks live better than in the Pskov Kaluga regions, but after serving a little changed their minds. The 19th century soldiers of R.I., who did not even have a primary education, looked at Bulgaria as a miracle, there is no dispute. The devil is in the details.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 11 January 2021 07: 56
    +3
    By the date of the Decembrist uprising, December 25, 1825, the army officers and generals, as well as the nobility and aristocracy, were completely corrupted by French freethinking. Not being in any secret societies meant recognizing oneself as a sivolap.
    Tsar Alexander I himself was a member of such secret alliances, of the Masonic sense.
    It is strange that the article does not say anything about such events (before 1825) as the secret abdication of the Grand Duke Constantine in favor of his younger brother, Grand Duke Nikolai Pavlovich, and the so-called interregnum, which was the reason for the Decembrists' speech.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 11 January 2021 08: 09
    0
    Was Alexander I a decisive sovereign, worthy to be at the head of a great country?


    ..
    "He took PARIS, he founded the Lyceum! "
    Pushkin A.S.)


    OV 1812 was the worst war for Russia in its entire history (at that time).

    And he won it.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 11 January 2021 14: 00
      +3
      He fought alone?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 11 January 2021 14: 48
        0
        Quote: vladcub
        He fought alone?

        "OH took Paris "(Pushkin)
    2. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 11 January 2021 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      OV 1812 was the worst war for Russia in its entire history (at that time).

      War 1237-1241 was less scary? fool
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 11 January 2021 22: 37
        0
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        War 1237-1241 was less scary?

        And the war of the Buzhan tribe with the Duleb tribe (with the extermination and destruction of everything)) was less terrible than the war of 1237-1241? fool
        Is the extermination of one family by another less scary?


        And yes, only a holiday was appointed in honor of the victory in OV -Victory Day
        1. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 12 January 2021 02: 59
          0
          Again, the answer is not to the point.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 12 January 2021 09: 17
            -1
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Again, the answer is not to the point.

            again ... didn't make it? belay

            Read TWO times. three. ten!

            Don't tire me ...
            1. Sugar Honeyovich
              Sugar Honeyovich 12 January 2021 09: 57
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              Read TWO times. three. ten!

              At least one hundred and ten - less lies and more sense in your words from this will not. fool
              Quote: Olgovich
              Don't tire me

              But I have to teach you. hi
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 January 2021 08: 29
    +9
    There were many societies then, some fashionable Masonic lodges like cockroaches. And many projects were written on the sly, but only the young majors, after reading about the French Revolution, decided that they could. Well, then, like in memes, the boy went to success, it did not fail. And they could know the life of the country and the problems only from the boutiques of Nevsky. Well, like today, because of the toning of the limousine, the life of the country is completely different. The Bolsheviks just needed a myth about the past, so they made the Decembrists an icon of style, but in fact they are just majors of rich daddies.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 11 January 2021 08: 34
    +6
    The uprising of the Decembrists is the last palace coup passed off as an uprising !!! Nicholas the 1st entered the throne of Russia out of turn, this is a central event. The rest is all framing it.
    A lot about Secret Societies was invented and invented by historians and writers later, especially in the Soviet period. The entire top of Russia at that time consisted of different secret societies and not so much - this was one of the ways to prove themselves in high society. So it is not correct to present the Decembrists' societies as something unseen hitherto. And at least half of these societies were based on the idea of ​​saving the rest of the "lost sheep" of the state by progressive citizens.

    Do not forget that Alexander and Nikolai and the Decembrists and Pushkin are all immigrants from the gallant age !!! This generation even arranged a coup in the country so beautifully that generations of historians are still breaking spears over the events that happened then.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 11 January 2021 08: 55
      +4
      Do you think that Constantine's marriage did not prevent him from ascending the throne?
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 11 January 2021 09: 13
        +4
        Quote: Korsar4
        Do you think that Constantine's marriage did not prevent him from ascending the throne?

        Greetings, actually No! Children from this marriage - prevented, to Constantine himself - No! That is what the state elite of that time expected from him, having sworn in the Guard, starting to mint Coins with the profile of Constantine (the Constantine Ruble is the rarest Coin of Russia, only eight copies are known). The question is that Constantine himself did not want to occupy the throne, his words are known "they will strangle me like my father."
        Well, the Decembrists simply used the situation around the succession to the throne as an excuse for their uprising!
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 11 January 2021 15: 01
          +4
          I didn't want to. But I think that the misalliance has never contributed to the accession.
          And the local nobility understood this.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 11 January 2021 09: 28
    +9
    And this is how secret societies arose in Russia. In 1816 the Salvation Union was created. And after he self-destructed in 1817, the Union of Welfare was formed (in 1818).
    Before that, there were four early pre-Decembrist organizations: two officers' artels - one in the Semyonovsky regiment, the other among the officers of the General Staff ("Sacred Artel"), the Kamyanets-Podolsk circle of Vladimir Raevsky, and the "Order of Russian Knights" by Mikhail Orlov and Matvey Dmitriev-Mamonov.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 11: 11
      +5
      "Order of the Russian Knights" by Mikhail Orlov and Matvey Dmitriev-Mamonov.

      Victor Nikolaevich, hello! drinks It also struck me that they were not mentioned in the article. Although this "order", as far as I understand, consisted of two members - the romantic Orlov and the mentally unbalanced Dmitriev-Mamonov. laughing
      But how to believe such a monarch, if the same Arakcheev was his favorite. And what he was doing in his Grudinin was known to all the nobles. And very many condemned him for this.

      This is a technical typo. Arakcheev's estate was called Gruzino, located on the Volkhov. There he established (one of the first) an exemplary military settlement. After his death, according to his will, it was transferred to the Novgorod Cadet Corps, which was later transferred to Nizhny Novgorod.
      Almost nothing is left of the luxurious estate of Count Arakcheev. What the upheavals of the revolution did not ruin, the Great Patriotic War did.
      Here's what she looked like:

      And now there is a place of descent to the water, where the proud towers used to stand. Photo of mine, August 2018.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 January 2021 20: 43
        +4
        "After his death, it is according to his will" is a little different here.
        Pushkin wrote in his diary in May 1834 that Arakcheev had asked the emperor to appoint an heir. Nicholas 1 chose the Nizhny Novgorod Cadet Corps as such.
        The cadets had the letters on the collar of their tunic: 'c. ANNKK. "Gaidar also wrote about this:" On the collar of the tunic, a stranger, the letters were black: "GRANNKK" ("School"). Eh, I haven't read Gaidar for a long time. In about 1977 I read it. Although a mistake: "Timur" accidentally re-read in 1994, lay in the hospital and picked up "Timur" out of boredom. Then everyone, like madmen, chased after "Suvorov", and I read a little and took Gaidar.
        Honestly, I don't really like "Timur", I like "School", but as an alternative: "Icebreaker" passed
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 21: 00
          +3
          Pushkin wrote in his diary in May 1834 that Arakcheev had asked the emperor to appoint an heir. Nicholas 1 chose the Nizhny Novgorod Cadet Corps as such.

          Svyatoslav, I wrote from memory .. If I lied something, thank you very much for your suggestion. good drinks
          I was in Gruzino in August 2018, drove from Kirishi to Novgorod, turned to Gruzino personally and purposefully. Photographed. Unfortunately, I didn't go to the wooden church. Why "Unfortunately? There was a stone cathedral where Arakcheev was buried, under the bust of Tsar Paul. In modern sources I cannot find any mention of whether the grave has survived ... The Cathedral was destroyed! request
          Here is a modern church in Georgia. My photo, August 2018.

          And here is the second fact that I did not know about at the time of arrival. In 1810, Emperor Alexander Pavlovich visited Gruzino. Riding down the Volkhov, he sat down at the oars and rowed. In the boat with him were Arakcheev and Chief Marshal Nikolai Tolstoy, then president of the Court Office. The emperor was in a playful mood, rocking the boat (what a familiar expression!), And Tolstoy was afraid of the pitching. The boat was ordinary, peasant, but Arakcheev decided to keep it and built a special grotto for it. It was another memorable place in the estate. By the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the boat was no longer preserved, but in the grotto there was a memorial plaque with a detailed text, where its entire history was painted.
          From the grotto, apparently, only the remains have survived. I was 50 meters away from him ... But I did not know about his existence! sad And I didn't take a picture ... recourse
          The cadets had the letters on the collar of their tunic: 'c. ANNKK. "

          Of its graduates, I can recall the last head of the Officer Rifle School, General Nikolai Filatov.
          With respect, Nicholai! drinks
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 12 January 2021 07: 26
            +2
            I never knew about such details
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 12 January 2021 09: 47
              +2
              I never knew about such details

              First you start to be interested in the person of the "temporary worker", then you discover that you can drive to his estate, and then the accompanying information appears by itself ... yes The main thing is interest! drinks
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 13 January 2021 09: 29
                +2
                You can’t argue with that
  • Operator
    Operator 11 January 2021 09: 53
    0
    "In Paris, he (Alexander I) announced that serfdom would be abolished during his reign," - one must answer for the bazaar (and therefore did not touch secret societies) laughing
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 11 January 2021 10: 35
    +1
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    The general consistency of several cycles of articles you are leading is beginning to be felt.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 January 2021 11: 41
    +2
    The leaders of the December uprising could not help but see how the free Cossacks live, with their own charter and their own rules. They were no longer serfs. In addition, they were literate at that time, gave bread, faithfully served the country.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2021 12: 34
    +4
    In 1821, the same N.N. Novosiltsev (already together with M.S. Vorontsov and A.S. Menshikov) developed and presented to Alexander I a draft of the abolition of serfdom. But the king left him without consequences. But he said that he would cancel it precisely during his reign ...
    "They say you are happy? They lie shamelessly!"
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2021 13: 30
    +6
    Comrades, as a child, I was fascinated by fairy tales about the Decembrists: they sacrificed everything for the sake of and so on. He even deceived himself: he calculated the old and new style in order to be born on the day of the Decembrist uprising.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 13: 55
      +6
      Comrades, as a child, I was fascinated by fairy tales about the Decembrists: they sacrificed everything for the sake of and so on. He even deceived himself: he calculated the old and new style in order to be born on the day of the Decembrist uprising.

      And I remember from childhood the first trip to Gatchina, and that the guide was broadcasting about Pal Petrovich ... what Like, soldier, idiot, "the whole regiment - to Siberia!" etc. And only five years ago, starting to read contemporaries, you understand that many things are embellished, and some are not considered at all, or even forgotten. request In general, every medal has two sides! drinks
      Svyatoslav, from my point of view, I would like Vyacheslav Olegovich to consider the aspect of how, from the philanthropic and romantic ideas about the reconstruction of Russia, spoken in the officers' mess, as a result, very bloodthirsty thoughts about rebellion and regicide came out.
      And, in fact, the 140-year era of palace coups ends with the Decembrist uprising. Why? Because they began to rebel at the end of the 17th century, only then the role of the guard was played by archers, IMHO. hi drinks
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 11 January 2021 15: 05
        +4
        On the way to Konstantinovo I stopped in Bronnitsy. It so happened, they asked to accompany other students.

        Adventurer - agreed. There is the grave of the Decembrists.
        I could not resist the epigram about the rebellious shoemaker and told the master.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 15: 07
          +3
          Adventurer - agreed. There is the grave of the Decembrists.
          I could not resist the epigram about the rebellious shoemaker and told the master.

          Sergey, and how she was perceived drinks ?
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 11 January 2021 15: 28
            +4
            The school teachers were slightly surprised. Is it strange that they didn't read Nekrasov?
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 12 January 2021 09: 55
              +2
              The school teachers were slightly surprised. Is it strange that they didn't read Nekrasov?

              Yesterday I leafed through Wikipedia and found that there is a Suvorov museum in Konchanskoye. Another place worth a visit (although there is little left from the times of the commander). The only thing to go more than 300 km from St. Petersburg is in the Novgorod region ...
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2021 13: 51
    +4
    Comrades, in childhood we were all fascinated by the myths about the Decembrists. As a child, I thought in every possible way that the date of birth fell on the day of the uprising of the Decembrists, but the January did not pass in December
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 11 January 2021 16: 02
    +5
    In Timm's painting in the title (left) is the famous historical building "Lobanov-Rostovsky House" at the corner of Admiralteisky and Voznesensky avenues, which still exists today.



    On July 1, 1824, the 1st and 2nd floor of the mansion were leased to the War Ministry for 63 rubles a year for use only by some departments of the War Department, including the Office of the Minister of War, the Commission of Provisional Affairs and Finnish Provisional Affairs, and medical departments.

    On the basis of the case on the reconstruction of the house for the War Ministry, stored in the Military Historical Archives, conclusions can be drawn about the number, location and size of the halls, chambers and other premises rented by the department.
    The 21st room, located “under the vaults” (that is, in the basement), was intended “for ministers”. On the first floor there were 20 rooms, and on the mezzanine (on the second, most prestigious) - 39, among which there were 4 large halls, of which three rooms were 11 fathoms in length (23,5 m) and 4 fathoms 2 arshins (10 m ) wide, and one of the halls stretches for 8 fathoms (17 m). The rest of the rooms on the mezzanine, having a similar "depth" (4 sazhens 2 arshins ≈ 10 m), were located "along the facades: Admiralty and Isaac". The third floor was adapted for 26 rooms, most of which had a length of 4 to 6 fathoms (8,5 - 10,6 m), and in width - from 3 fathoms to 4 fathoms 2 arshins (6,4 - 10 m ). On the uppermost, "mezzanine" floor, 8 chambers were prepared, "which can be consumed for servants." In general, the ministry rented 114 rooms and halls for its offices, in other words "almost two-thirds of the house." The restructuring certificate also affected the premises not occupied by the department. So, “in the cellar floor” of the building there were 3 apartments, which consisted of 11 living rooms, and 3 dry cellars; on the ground floor there are 4 apartments with 24 rooms; on the mezzanine there is one apartment of 7 rooms; on the third - 5 apartments with 23 rooms. In total, 65 rooms were rented to third parties, which resulted in "income up to 30 rubles." In addition to living quarters, there were also utility ones: 000 sheds, a stable for 6 stalls, 30 "large hay attics" and 2 storerooms for oats.


    I remember the times when the building still belonged to the "Design Institute No. 1".
    In 2002, the house was taken over by the Presidential Administration, which intended to adapt it for the Constitutional Court, which was moving to St. Petersburg. However, later it was decided to create within its walls the most fashionable hotel in the city, ready to receive senior government officials. The building was leased for 49 years to ZAO Tristar Investment Holdings.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 16: 27
      +5
      Bravo, Alexander!
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 11 January 2021 18: 10
      +6
      Colleague Privalov, thank you for your detailed comment
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 11 January 2021 18: 44
        +4
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Bravo, Alexander!

        Quote: Astra wild2
        Colleague Privalov, thank you for your detailed comment

        You're welcome.

        I'm just a little familiar with these places. I, at one time, happened to live in St. Petersburg for some time with a fellow soldier, when I was preparing for the defense.
        Literally within walking distance. There, in the courtyards at the very beginning of the 80s, there were still communal apartments: high ceilings with stucco molding, broken parquet floors, tiled tile stoves converted to gas, kitchens for 5-6 families, morning queues to the toilet ... hi
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 January 2021 18: 55
          +4
          This area remained the same at the beginning of the XNUMXs.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 11 January 2021 19: 22
            +3
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            This area remained the same at the beginning of the XNUMXs.

            About 6-7 years ago, I drove into those regions out of government necessity, so there already most of the houses were occupied by some kind of offices, firms, government agencies. It is not convenient to live there. Apparently, over time, this is all occupied by officials. This is also the case in Europe - the old fund is being reconstructed into offices, small hotels, and only in very comfortable and quiet places they make fashionable housing. This is clearly seen in Prague, Lisbon, Madrid. Even from the previously inhabited central quarters of Paris, people are gradually leaving.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 January 2021 19: 37
              +3
              This is a normal practice in any historic metropolis.
              It is not convenient to live there.
              But imagine, in some places people on Galernaya, Shpalernaya, etc. still live.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 11 January 2021 19: 44
                +2
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                But imagine, in some places people on Galernaya, Shpalernaya, etc. still live.

                Ha, that's how I lived on Galernaya. Exit to the Senate through the arch.
                I don't remember, in the 17th or 19th issue. Almost 40 years have passed ...
                I thought that everyone had already been resettled there ...
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 11 January 2021 19: 52
                  +3
                  So 40 years ago you could live there, try it now! The nearest "Lebensmittelgescheft" is half an hour on foot, at a good pace.
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 11 January 2021 19: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    So 40 years ago you could live there, try it now! The nearest "Lebensmittelgescheft" is half an hour on foot, at a good pace.

                    Yes, there and then, there was one bakery, and somewhere there was a canteen from some tiny factory.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 11 January 2021 20: 06
                      +5
                      Then at least there was a bakery ... I personally knew the people who lived in the Fortress, neighbors in a communal apartment. "Trilobite Master" is right, Leningrad is leaving ...
                      1. ANB
                        ANB 12 January 2021 09: 15
                        +3
                        ... Leningrad leaves

                        Changes, yes. But living on the Petrograd side is quite comfortable. Only problems with parking. And there are problems with her everywhere.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 January 2021 09: 18
                        +2
                        Petrogradka is a symbol of my youth! love Lived there 1995-2001.
                      3. ANB
                        ANB 12 January 2021 10: 02
                        +3
                        Studied 1984-1986. Further in Peterhof.
                        Chosen just in February 20 th year. And he lived on Chapaeva in a mini-hotel. Here, I share my impressions. Petrovsky was closed, but there are many small shops and cafes. Everything is relatively inexpensive. Compared to Moscow.
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 January 2021 10: 09
                        +3
                        Petrogradka has also changed over the past 20 years. They demolished almost the entire industrial zone, built it up with housing, a year ago they opened a new bridge to Vaska, built a new lobby for Gorkovskaya ...
                      5. ANB
                        ANB 12 January 2021 10: 58
                        +3
                        ... the lobby of "Gorkovskaya" was built new ...

                        That's why I didn't recognize the station :)
                      6. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 January 2021 11: 04
                        +3
                        But these are all achievements of this century. Until the beginning of the 94s, everything remained the same as you remember. Even Tsoev's "Kamchatka" was there in XNUMX.
  • kalibr
    12 January 2021 07: 54
    +2
    And in Genoa, it has become fashionable to live in penthouses on the sixth floors of five-story buildings. They put a separate elevator, front garden and ... approx. In the basements and on the first floors - blacks and Asians. 2,3,4,5 - local, there are code lifts, and very high - the elite. There are bushes and trees!
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 11 January 2021 21: 01
    +6
    "morning queues" I know slightly: the officer's wife, rented a room. "romance"
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 11 January 2021 18: 05
    +3
    I wish you all good health. Special thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich for a new and interesting topic.
    If Vyacheslav Olegovich really goes along the chain, as suggested by his colleague Hunting expert,: Decembrists, secret societies, Narodnaya Volya, etc. We are waiting for a sea of ​​adventurous stories. Perhaps I read about something in novels, perhaps in a textbook.
    This is fine, of course, but I am scared that Vyacheslav Olegovich will not have enough time to continue the previous cycles, but there are topics that have been waiting for a long time
    1. kalibr
      11 January 2021 18: 30
      +3
      Quote: Astra wild2
      secret societies

      There have already been about Masons in Russia ...
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 11 January 2021 21: 11
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, 1) I "screwed up" about the Masons. You wrote? So I will search through the profile. I'm not good at links. Although I did not ban Masonic lodges in Russia until Nikolai
        # 2) "Petrashevites" were also unofficial
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 21: 17
          +2
          "Petrashevtsy" was also unofficial

          Vera, on the other hand, the tsar remembered too well from the first try what secret societies are fraught with ... By the way, on the Senatskaya street they fired at both Nicholas and his brother Mikhail ... request
          1. kalibr
            12 January 2021 07: 51
            +1
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            By the way, on Senatskaya street they fired at both Nicholas and his brother Mikhail ...

            But, did not hit!
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 12 January 2021 09: 49
              +2
              But, did not hit!

              Exactly what! But Nikolai had enough for the rest of his life - in terms of fears for all sorts of secret societies. We are waiting for the continuation of the cycle! drinks
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 12 January 2021 14: 05
              +2
              Unfortunately were there any muffs?
    2. kalibr
      11 January 2021 18: 36
      +4
      Quote: Astra wild2
      enough time to continue the previous cycles, and there are topics that we have been waiting for a long time

      There will be enough time, just from one topic to another there will be breaks ... For example, now there are two articles on moderation about revolvers, one - the beginning of the history of the famous Winchester, one heraldic and one about ... "the battle in the snow." Now I am writing another heraldic one. Then there will be very funny material about the fashion of the AI ​​in parallel with another author. In the archive there is an article about the T-55 tank (continued) and "the history of the fire, part 2). As you can see, everything is going according to plan. Next in line is the second article about the Decembrists. The material of the next article about the peasants has been prepared ... But VO cannot print me alone ...
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 21: 09
        +3
        There will be enough time, there will just be breaks from one topic to another ..

        Good evening, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I'll get down to business. wink Albert and I reached an agreement there with Albert. what In general, where will we glue the dazibao? lol We have already shared the roles with him - he, as the most cunning, draws, but I have glue. Anton, like the most rugged, glues. fellow I give a tooth, it will stick well - you will never remove it! good laughing
        1. kalibr
          11 January 2021 21: 20
          +3
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          We have already shared the roles with him - he, as the most cunning, draws, and I have glue. Anton, like the most rugged - glues. I give a tooth, it will stick well - you will never remove it!

          There is nothing better than superglue. But dazibao sucks. One of my acquaintances, a modeler, was working in the tracks and poured himself a container of super glue on ... before. While he was rushing around the room, figuring out what to do and trying to break the sticky fingers, the glue froze, needless to say that he could hardly walk after that. I sat in the bathroom in hot water for a long time, but still ... I lost my hairline! That's where you need to pour glue!
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 22: 07
            +4
            One of my acquaintances, a modeler, was working in the tracks and poured himself a container of super glue on ...

            I once washed a cat in shorts (it was summer, hot). Got a series of scratches "right there" - in the "bikini zone"! request The sensations were disgusting ... wassat
            That's where you need to pour glue!

            Vyacheslav Olegovich, I heard something like that before adhesives for models were more sticky, toxic and odorous ... what Fortunately, there is variety now. The glue from Zvezda is normal. By the way, on the fourth day I glued the I-153 from the "Modelist". drinks The quality, I'll tell you ... a little lurid, or something - including the arrangement of parts in the frame. what Decals-stickers are also so-so. But for the collection - the very thing! good
            1. kalibr
              12 January 2021 07: 50
              +2
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              model adhesives used to be more sticky, toxic and odorous

              Not that word! I have been allergic to cyanocrine since then.
            2. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 12 January 2021 10: 26
              +3
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              By the way, on the fourth day I glued the I-153 from the "Modelist".

              Lucky, but I got stuck ... hi
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 12 January 2021 10: 43
                +2
                Lucky, but I got stuck ...

                Sergey, at what stage? And what kind of model? drinks
                1. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 12 January 2021 10: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  Sergey, at what stage? And what kind of model?

                  Almost at the initial Nikolay, but the model is complex - Jagdpanther MENG, a lot of details, typesetting tracks, in general I will tinker with it for a long time.

                  In December, the coronavirus knocked me down, then the New Year holidays, yesterday I looked at her longingly, but did not overpower myself drinks
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 12 January 2021 11: 06
                    +3
                    In December, the coronavirus knocked me down, then the New Year holidays, yesterday I looked at her longingly, but did not overpower myself

                    Thank God that everything worked out. On holidays they passed my tests. Everything went away with her, I didn’t even catch on ... Here is such a zagagulina! request
                    Almost at the initial Nikolay, but the model is complex - Jagdpanther MENG, a lot of details, typesetting tracks, in general I will tinker with it for a long time.

                    I'm afraid to touch the T-34-85 from Zvezda ...

                    and yet such an animal lies in a box ...
                    1. Mihaylov
                      Mihaylov 12 January 2021 11: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Everything went away with her, I didn’t even catch on ... Here is such a zagagulina!

                      It happened for the whole family at once, but for friends: the wife was ill, but the husband did not.
                      I'm afraid to touch the T-34-85 from Zvezda ...

                      I did this:

                      And the PE-8 is cool, I was just choosing between Jagdpanther and the PE-8 for the last time, but I chose a tank, because there is a problem with the bombers: they are very large and there is no place to put them, I have 4 of them collected, but they are places take up to 15 tanks. hi
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 January 2021 11: 18
                        +2
                        I did this

                        but I looked at the abundance of details, and while I'm afraid ... Although, like, a simple model?
                        they are very large and there is no place to put them, I have collected 4 of them, but they take up 15 tanks.

                        Yes, if the Ju-87 in 1/72 scale fits into the sideboard, then put this monster only on top of the cabinet! laughing
                      2. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 12 January 2021 11: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        if the Ju-87 in 1/72 scale fits into the sideboard, then put this monster only on top of the cabinet!

                        I have a Ju-87 together with the IL-2 with the others in the sideboard, and I took the bombers to the dacha, got tortured with them in the apartment, moved them all the time, they break from this. But they are not mercilessly gathering dust behind the glass. And stuffing them into the closet is also a problem. hi
                      3. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 12 January 2021 11: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Although, like, a simple model?

                        T-34/85 seems to be uncomplicated, I don't remember anymore, the tracks are simple, solid: painted, dressed and that's it.
    3. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 11 January 2021 21: 11
      +2
      Thank you very much. I will wait
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2021 18: 29
    +4
    Good evening. Alas, I ended up relaxed and I have to go to work, but I DO NOT WANT to.
    V. Oh, well done: about the Decembrist it is written: "WHO and the cart", and he approached this topic from the beginning. For the most part, the authors started with a climax, and then about some of the characters with a "look back".
    I'll be honest: I'm waiting about other secret societies, they are more interesting to me. In our history: "okiyan" themes for adventure and detective novels. For example: 18 in "palace coups" - 'write and write adventure novels. 19th century "secret societies" - there are a lot of adventurous and detective stories.
    Only now Pikul and Dumas are gone
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 January 2021 20: 09
    +4
    Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Well, in a way, from the princes of the times of Rurik to Shoigu - almost a thousand-year reality! And yet it turned out quite well at times !!! And the invasions or wars that happened broke these schemes, but then everything returned to normal ...

    S. K. will light up: some kind of "rootless" Shoigu and an equal with the great dukes.
    At the next "Zemsky Sobor", I wanted to nominate Rurikovich's comrade, and here Voivode Shoigu is also an equal to the Grand Duke
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 11 January 2021 21: 14
      +3
      S. K. will light up: some kind of "rootless" Shoigu and an equal with the great dukes.

      Have you heard about the forts in Kronstadt? ... wink
      1. depressant
        depressant 12 January 2021 11: 48
        +3
        Good morning, colleagues! love ))))
        I relaxed, a kind of winter melancholy attacked me, grabbed me tightly and did not let go, you see, vitamin deficiency)))
        In between mathematics I go to the "Absolutely Useless Site" to read jokes and solve crosswords)))
        I walked in on Shpakovsky and saw a huge cry in connection with the cons. During the day, carefully studying the topic, I will correct this matter, everyone. And the topic is interesting. The experience of the king is taken into account, isn't it?)))
        He just kind of went to the people, disguised as death, but now, it seems, there are more reliable methods for the longevity of the royal body)))
        In general, I start to read the comments, because I see many worthy ones.
        Have a good day everyone, don't get sick! )))
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 12 January 2021 11: 53
          +2
          I walked in on Shpakovsky and saw a huge cry in connection with the cons. During the day, carefully studying the topic, I will correct this matter, everyone. And the topic is interesting. The experience of the king is taken into account, isn't it?)))

          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I just read an article by the much-talked-about Bubalik about British veterinarians just today, and I was also amazed at the number of disadvantages that were stuck there with ours. No. But all of you corrected karma. And yet yes - your sketch about "Charlie Sheen's merry life flashing before my eyes"- aerobatics! good
          In between mathematics I go to the "Absolutely Useless Site" to read jokes and solve crosswords)))

          When VO is bored, I go to Yaplakal to watch funny pictures. laughing
          In general, I start to read the comments, because I see many worthy ones.

          Yes, about dazibao and sirloin - I consider it successful! laughing
          Have a good day everyone, don't get sick! )))

          Take care of yourself! love Will live!
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 12 January 2021 20: 47
          +3
          I relaxed, a kind of winter melancholy attacked me, grabbed me tightly and did not let go, you see, vitamin deficiency)))

          It is clear now why you haven’t looked in PM for 4 days. Look, I wrote to you there.
        3. kalibr
          12 January 2021 20: 57
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          for I see many worthy ones.

          And that's great. But there is also a ... hangover. And permanent!
          1. depressant
            depressant 12 January 2021 22: 36
            +2
            Comments from a hangover - decoration of any topic! ))) Excite the minds of few drinkers, encourage them to majestic thoughts and angry arguments, and awaken creativity in teetotallers)))
            So, do not murmur, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but, sighing heavily, bear your karma of a person with dignity, commenting on whose articles people feel relaxed. And then you will go on another topic of another Author, and there are comments similar to the creak and rattle of unlubricated old mechanisms, the puffing of blacksmith's bellows and the howling of ghouls in the neighboring protected forest. You stand, listen, you will be filled with horror and - sideways, but away. And the ghouls on duty keep following you with their nose, wanting to drink your blood ...
            It's like Aristotle's walks with his students in the shady alleys here)))