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"They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8": In Ukraine, they named the reason for the purchase of a new batch of Airbus H125 helicopters for border guards

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"They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8": In Ukraine, they named the reason for the purchase of a new batch of Airbus H125 helicopters for border guards

The Ukrainian State Border Service announced its readiness to purchase a batch of foreign helicopters. The press service of the department notes that we are talking about French Airbus rotary-wing aircraft.


The State Border Guard Service named the number of such helicopters planned for purchase - 10 units.

It is noted that this is an additional batch of Airbus H125, which will be purchased for the needs of the Ukrainian border guards.

From the statement of the press service of the State Border Guard Service:

These vehicles will be supplied with optical-electronic complexes for monitoring the state border both on land and at sea, including the exclusive sea economic zone of Ukraine.

The head of the State Border Service of Ukraine Serhiy Deineko named the reason why it was decided to purchase an additional batch of French helicopters. According to him, Airbus Н125 “is 4-5 times more economical than Mi-8 helicopters”. The price of the helicopters themselves from the new batch has not yet been reported.

The maximum mass of cargo that the helicopter can carry on an external sling is 1,4 tons.


Attention was also drawn to Deineko's statement about the number of Ukrainian pilots who have a certificate of piloting French-made helicopters. It turned out that there are only six such pilots in the State Fire Service of Ukraine today. But there are 64 mechanics for servicing such rotary-wing machines.

To date, two hangars for Airbus Н125 have been prepared in Ukraine: in Kiev and in the Sumy region. It is announced that there is an additional hangar in the Chernihiv region. Sumy and Chernihiv regions of Ukraine border on the Russian Federation.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 January 2021 19: 15
    +44
    And there is. The car is 2-3 classes lower. In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters
    1. raw174
      raw174 3 January 2021 19: 24
      +25
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And there is. The car is 2-3 classes lower. In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters

      The main thing is that for the purpose of patrolling and observation, it is sufficient, at least in a peaceful environment.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 January 2021 19: 40
        +5
        Why compare costs? Based on a kg of fuel per passenger, you can ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 January 2021 22: 53
          +6
          Costs per flight hour.
          And what is the point of sharing for passengers if there are two people flying there?
      2. tuts
        tuts 3 January 2021 19: 47
        +32
        the drone will cost even less
        1. vik669
          vik669 4 January 2021 12: 53
          +13
          A hang glider is even cheaper. And Deer is Better!
          1. Charik
            Charik 5 January 2021 06: 58
            -1
            better let the wings grow
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 4 January 2021 13: 28
          +2
          also a hang glider will do - the climate allows.
          on the nose glasses with wipers. in case of rain, everything will be fine.
      3. max702
        max702 3 January 2021 21: 42
        +14
        And who looked at the cost of a flight hour? And what about the cost of the same MOT and other interesting expenses? I do not understand that this is a typical North Gabonese peeling of funds, but only everyone cannot carry such a chuptsa ...
        1. uralant
          uralant 7 January 2021 05: 59
          +1
          Quote: max702
          peeling funds, but only everyone cannot carry such a chuptsa ...

          Rather, many can only, but it turns out only the stoned Svidomites.
          In light of the upcoming events, Russia will close its gas station and will have to go into austerity. Then it is more economical to fly on the hunt, and even more comfortable on a French toy. Europa my friend, gayrope!
      4. Vyacheslav01
        Vyacheslav01 4 January 2021 14: 07
        +3
        You can generally drive a drone back and forth, this is generally a solid economy in peacetime. )
    2. figwam
      figwam 3 January 2021 19: 35
      +38
      Airbus Н125 "4-5 more economical than Mi-8 helicopters"

      Yes, French helicopters cannot be cheaper in operation, despite the fact that on the outskirts for the Mi-8 they also produce engines. I’ll just frostbite my mother’s ears.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 January 2021 19: 38
        +26
        You are comparing Kamaz and Renault Logan ....
        1. figwam
          figwam 3 January 2021 19: 50
          +25
          Quote: Zaurbek
          You are comparing Kamaz and Renault Logan.

          Warranty service for a foreign car will always be more expensive than domestic equipment, even the article mentions the construction of hangars without which the operation of these helicopters is not possible, and also the purchase of equipment, training, licensing, certification of personnel, but because of their cunning, the Okraintsy do not take this into account as well as the high cost the helicopter itself.
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 3 January 2021 19: 55
            +12
            Quote: figvam
            maintenance of a foreign car will always be more expensive than domestic equipment

            And if you also take into account that Western (European) equipment is very demanding on maintenance and materials, the same fuels and lubricants, then all this will fly into a specific kopeck!
            1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
              Aleksey Aleksandrovich 3 January 2021 23: 09
              +5
              [quote = Starover_Z] [quote = figvam] then all this will fly into a specific copy! [/ quote]

              This means that residents of the outskirts can afford such expenses. Money - chickens don't bite ...
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 4 January 2021 04: 11
                +2
                Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
                This means that residents of the outskirts can afford such expenses.

                30 May 2018
                The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine announces the signing of an agreement between Ukraine and France to create a unified system of aviation security and protection in Ukraine. According to this document, Ukraine will receive 55 helicopters manufactured by Airbus Helicopters (light Н125 and Н145 and heavy Н225), the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine reports.

                October 23 2020
                Ukraine began to receive new helicopters H145 manufactured by Airbus Helicopters for the National Police. As reported, on October 22, the first two helicopters arrived in Kiev ........ In total today excluding two new H145 helicopters, Ukraine received seven Airbus H125 helicopters for rescuers, the National Guard and border guards.

                In total, Ukraine plans to receive 55 helicopters manufactured by Airbus Helicopters (light H125 and H145 and heavy H225), and if the H125 and H145 are new machines, then H225 supplied from the fleet of decommissioned helicopters... Of the total, 21 are Airbus H225 helicopters and 34 Airbus H125 and H145.
                https://topwar.ru/176386-ukraina-poluchila-pervye-vertolety-airbus-h145-dlja-nacpolicii.html
                "The rich have their quirks" wassat
                AIRBUS HELICOPTERS H125 (Former model name Eurocopter AS350)
                Price 2 998 000 EURO
                Features of the model
                Helicopters Airbus Helicopters H125 (Eurocopter AS350 B2) consume only 147 kg of fuel per hour of flight.
                So they were going to "beat off" money on fuel?
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 4 January 2021 13: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Serg Koma
                  So they were going to "beat off" money on fuel?

                  No . On rollback! A couple of lads will put 10-15 -20 percent in their pockets! Like - Waltzman and Kapitelman!
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 4 January 2021 13: 31
              0
              Kohly confidently go with a fraternal European family.
              do not get in the way.
              100 billion dollars - was the price of the first steps to change standards, etc. - in 2013 they announced.
              they are willing to pay further.
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 3 January 2021 20: 10
            -6
            I personally compared Priora with air conditioning and Logan ....
            And the comparison is not in favor of the priors.
            1. figwam
              figwam 3 January 2021 20: 51
              +10
              Quote: Zaurbek
              I personally compared Priora with air conditioning and Logan ....
              And the comparison is not in favor of the priors.

              Because Logan is made in Russia! And if he was going to France, then his price, spare parts and operating costs would be higher.
              1. Neutron Retarded
                Neutron Retarded 3 January 2021 21: 54
                +2
                But in France it is not collected either. And in Romania. Logan, assembled in France due to expensive labor, is not a competitor to anyone.
                1. figwam
                  figwam 3 January 2021 21: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Neutron Lagging
                  But in France it is not collected.

                  That's just the point, the helicopter is assembled in France and Germany and it cannot be cheap.
                2. Petro_tut
                  Petro_tut 3 January 2021 22: 24
                  +1
                  Logan, assembled in France due to expensive labor, is not a competitor to anyone.

                  Logan assemblies in Romania, oddly enough, cheaper than Logan assembled in Moscow request
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 4 January 2021 06: 37
                    +1
                    this is just not surprising laughing
                  2. Stepan S
                    Stepan S 4 January 2021 13: 19
                    +1
                    Are you sure that Logan is being assembled in Moscow?
              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 5 January 2021 17: 25
                0
                Moreover, the localization is now + or - equal.
          3. Avior
            Avior 3 January 2021 22: 55
            +3
            These are different helicopters by class.
            Service and maintenance of Kamaz will still be more expensive than Logan.
            1. Titus_2
              Titus_2 4 January 2021 02: 05
              -4
              Well, if you yourself serve your "Kamaz"?
              1. Avior
                Avior 4 January 2021 06: 48
                0
                More expensive anyway
                Sami doesn't mean free
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 02: 25
              0
              Quote: Avior
              Service and maintenance of Kamaz will still be more expensive than Logan.

              Pepper is clear! There you will hesitate to pour one antifreeze. Wow, I carried buckets ... crying
          4. Free wind
            Free wind 4 January 2021 12: 08
            0
            Do they also fly in hangars, with climate control, or in the open air?
        2. Pavel73
          Pavel73 3 January 2021 20: 03
          +13
          So it is not we who compare, but they. "A car is more economical than a truck" - Ukrainian comparison.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 4 January 2021 00: 20
            +2
            Quote: Pavel73
            "A car is more economical than a truck" - Ukrainian comparison.

            And beeches are even cheaper.
        3. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 5 January 2021 13: 55
          0
          "...
          You are comparing Kamaz and Renault Logan ....
          ..."
          - compared ...
          "Kamaz-master" - CHRONIC champion of the rally "Paris-Dakar"
          Where is Renault? - As?
          8-)))
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 January 2021 00: 15
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Yes, French helicopters cannot be cheaper in operation, despite the fact that on the outskirts for the Mi-8 they also produce engines.
        TV3-117 of various modifications are produced at Motor Sich.
        It is easier to cut off a piece from purchased abroad for a house in Kiev.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 4 January 2021 13: 33
          0
          not in Kiev - to live in Nice - happiness ........................................ .................................................. .................................................. ..
    3. evgen1221
      evgen1221 3 January 2021 20: 04
      0
      And what about agricultural KA PCHYOLKA? Little was given to Nifisha. Good patrol car.
    4. urich
      urich 3 January 2021 20: 59
      +1
      in the Russian Federation for 2018 N125 operated about 70 units
      The press service of AHV notes that UTair, AeroGeo, Skol, Yamal, Vostok and Granat have the most extensive experience in operating this model in Russia. Most often, model H125 helicopters are used for aerial work to monitor extended linear facilities (gas and oil pipelines), transportation of service passengers, ambulance aviation, transportation of goods on an external sling (including during construction and installation work) and geophysical research.
      This is a demanded car. I got to the ukropatreots just now.
    5. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 4 January 2021 00: 03
      0
      And they did the right thing. There were no oligarchs in the USSR.
    6. svp67
      svp67 4 January 2021 08: 38
      +4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters

      This niche was closed by Mi-2

      manufactured in Poland and Ka-26

      ... Now they are trying to block Ansat

      Ka-226

      and the release of helicopters under license.
      Ukraine also has a similar helicopter that Boguslavsky produces at Motor Sich, it could have produced a pair of Mi-2MSB
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 January 2021 09: 04
        +1
        Ukraine and the engine does it ... and the brothers, the Poles, are releasing the Mi ....... it must be compared. I agree.
        1. svp67
          svp67 4 January 2021 09: 13
          +2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Ukraine and the engine does to it ..

          The money would have gone to pay for the UKRAINIAN workers, like all taxes ... But is it necessary for a modern Ukrainian "owner"?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 January 2021 09: 38
            0
            Well, they are liberal, democratic and European people ... there is a pure economy and democracy. After they themselves cut down their exports to the Russian Federation. This little thing - pieces of 10 engines for 5 pieces of helicopters - bullshit. The Poles, by the way, rush around with their version of the Mi-2 (modernized) and cannot attach it anywhere.
            1. svp67
              svp67 4 January 2021 09: 52
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              This little thing - pieces of 10 engines for 5 pieces of helicopters - bullshit.

              Five pieces of engines. The Mi-2MSB has one engine.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 4 January 2021 10: 21
                0
                On the Mi2 itself - one?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 4 January 2021 10: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  On the Mi2 itself - one?

                  Alas, a mistake ... and on the Mi-2MSB there are TWO of them, but more powerful and most importantly ECONOMIC, instead of a GTD-350 with a capacity of 400 hp, an AI-450 or AI-450M with a capacity of 460 hp is installed. from.,
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  2. Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 3 January 2021 19: 17
    +9
    Already would be compared with MI-26 ... Then, in general, the sur would be complete ...
    https://jets.ru/enc/H125/
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 3 January 2021 19: 24
      +13
      A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 3 January 2021 20: 04
        +3
        Quote: URAL72
        A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

        The Ka-226 has Rolls-Royce engines, Ansat has Pratt & Whitney, so they should be competitive in terms of economy (otherwise there was no point in choosing these engines).
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 3 January 2021 20: 34
          0
          I am interested not only in engines, which will also be replaced by domestic ones.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 4 January 2021 09: 04
          0
          Turbomeka theater (France) here and there
      2. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 3 January 2021 20: 45
        +2
        Quote: URAL72
        A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

        But they could also fly on Ukrainian engines, which would make their maintenance even cheaper, and Motor Sich would not be idle. But....
        1. Thorvlobnor IV
          Thorvlobnor IV 3 January 2021 21: 56
          0
          Motor Sich makes interesting Mi-2MSB basins, but donor Mi-2s are not an endless resource.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 January 2021 00: 25
          +1
          Quote: Dreamboat
          But they could also fly on Ukrainian engines, which would make their maintenance even cheaper, and Motor Sich would not be idle.

          Enough, supply something from Russia. YOU know who they think Russia is.
      3. Grits
        Grits 4 January 2021 04: 11
        +2
        Quote: URAL72
        A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

        In Ukraine, unlike us. finally, they all the same realized that it was extremely unreasonable to engage in patrolling on trucks. It may be that we have understood this, but they cannot apply it in practice. It seems that we have the equipment you listed, but it seems that it does not exist ... How many of them were produced there and how many in the border troops? So it turns out that the hoh-ly turned out to be smarter
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 3 January 2021 19: 27
      -6
      Quote: Flashpoint
      Already would be compared with MI-26 ... Then, in general, the sur would be complete ...
      https://jets.ru/enc/H125/

      There is no "sur". The state always buys a car (buys it) for many reasons, from the appointment to the rollback with political overtones. So there is a whole bunch of these for some reason. So you can stop at what you want. Well, not "Ansant" to buy them, in fact? bully
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 3 January 2021 19: 30
        +5
        Avakov buys helicopters because he has a good deal with the French))) that's all the reasons, there are no others.
        1. dgonni
          dgonni 3 January 2021 20: 08
          +2
          This is not his department. Although the track with a guarantee of a rollback could well recommend
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 3 January 2021 22: 48
            +1
            Avakov's capabilities are much broader than those of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
            1. dgonni
              dgonni 3 January 2021 22: 52
              +1
              In fact, yes. But the border guards are used to stealing themselves. If the topic is sensible to share with Arsesha is not a question. But he cannot and will not be able to crush them.
              For the gray-black schemes intersect and are sawn together, but their pockets are different.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 3 January 2021 22: 52
                +1
                The frontier guards do not need turntables for theft, there are enough double basses.
                1. dgonni
                  dgonni 3 January 2021 23: 19
                  +2
                  Helicopters are a cut of the budget dough.
                  Well, throwing cigarettes across the pass to the western korefans will also not hurt.
                  Although it seems like 6 years already the air is closed for such a large plant. Even hang gliders are not listed. A copter is both easier and cheaper
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 4 January 2021 13: 00
                    0
                    Nobody carries a helicopter, it's easier on foot, just to share with the border guards.
                    1. dgonni
                      dgonni 4 January 2021 15: 15
                      0
                      Not now. Previously, they carried both an-2 and mi-2 and a hang glider
    3. Holgerton
      Holgerton 3 January 2021 19: 28
      +12
      Compared with the most affordable and widespread car in the post-Soviet space. By and large, the Mi-2s have outlived their usefulness for a long time, and the Ansat is not available, and, in principle, is not widespread even in Russia.
      Therefore, a comparison in the context of the fact that the Mi-8 is their main machine, and they buy equipment that is more economical in comparison with it, sounds logical. This is not a comparison of the efficiency of two cars specifically, they say they are in the same class, this is a comparison of the efficiency of equipment as a whole, they say it is more economical than that.
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 3 January 2021 19: 41
        +7
        As for Ansat, it has been running for six months now instead of the GXNUMX! Siberia.
        Itself was surprised by ear: obviously not "eight"! Lo and behold, and not a foreigner - onboard and looked at the registration: ours, "Ansat" from Kazan, was recorded on the Emergencies Ministry, medical, just like the previous Mi-8 was.
        1. Turist1996
          Turist1996 3 January 2021 19: 46
          +2
          And our air detachment, local!
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 3 January 2021 19: 48
          -7
          Quote: Turist1996
          As for Ansat, it has been running for six months now instead of the GXNUMX! Siberia.
          Itself was surprised by ear: obviously not "eight"! Lo and behold, and not a foreigner - onboard and looked at the registration: ours, "Ansat" from Kazan, was recorded on the Emergencies Ministry, medical, just like the previous Mi-8 was.

          But in Sochi. At the Krasnaya Ppolyana winddrome I first saw Ansant probably ten years ago. If not eleven And I tell you people thought it was an imported machine. But then I walked at home ... lol
  3. rruvim
    rruvim 3 January 2021 19: 17
    +8
    And DEU-Matiz is more economical than "Loaf" ...
  4. Turist1996
    Turist1996 3 January 2021 19: 22
    -2
    GPS of what? What kind of self-proclaimed new formation is "Ukraine"?
    I would have come in that way for a start!
  5. Turist1996
    Turist1996 3 January 2021 19: 29
    -2
    Well, a separate "surrealism", as well as the very concept of "Ukraine", as a state, a helicopter, in some ways superior to the modern "8-ku" from Mile ... Yes, yes, yes !!!!
  6. Turist1996
    Turist1996 3 January 2021 19: 30
    -1
    @ idots stock is practically - forever!
  7. Constanty
    Constanty 3 January 2021 19: 32
    +5
    "They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8"

    In addition, they are several times more expensive and will not take anything.
    For a businessman, it may be better than Airbus, well, nothing better than the Mi-8 / Mi-17 / Mi-171 has been produced in its class. It is a masterpiece.


    However, apparently, someone had to earn
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 3 January 2021 19: 52
      +5
      You are not confusing anything, maybe this is the Mi-8 (the export Mi-17 is several times more expensive than the Airbus H125 (approximately $ 2).
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 3 January 2021 20: 21
        +1
        In fact, I was wrong and they are actually much cheaper than the new Mi-17. However, these are helicopters of a different class - a taxi and a truck.

        However, it should be remembered that, for example, Ukraine has a technical base and personnel to service the Mi-8.

        In the case of Airbus, Ukraine should buy everything, not just a helicopter. Repair service possible also abroad
  8. HAM
    HAM 3 January 2021 19: 41
    +2
    Well, very interesting ---- BOO again! ??
    1. vfwfr
      vfwfr 3 January 2021 20: 00
      0
      Guess)
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 January 2021 22: 59
        0
        So used or not?
        1. vfwfr
          vfwfr 4 January 2021 10: 18
          0
          I have no source. I rely on my gut. It is doubtful that everything will be new, although ... if only they will quickly clean up in private hands ... Most likely all this is leased ...
  9. iouris
    iouris 3 January 2021 19: 47
    +1
    "You wouldn't be chasing cheapness, priest!" (AS Pushkin)
  10. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 3 January 2021 19: 49
    -2
    The Ukrainian State Border Service announced its readiness to purchase a batch of foreign helicopters. The maximum mass of cargo that the helicopter can carry on an external sling is 1,4 tons.

    Why would the aviation of the border troops carry something on a sling?
  11. Vovk
    Vovk 3 January 2021 19: 54
    +2
    To date, two hangars for Airbus Н125 have been prepared in Ukraine: in Kiev and in the Sumy region. It is announced that there is an additional hangar in the Chernihiv region. Sumy and Chernihiv regions of Ukraine border on the Russian Federation.

    Strange, but the article is not completely copied from Ukrainian sources.

    In 2020, two hangars were equipped for N125 in the Kharkiv region, one each in Sumy and Kiev. At the moment, preparatory work continues on the construction of a hangar in the Chernigov region.
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  13. Dimide
    Dimide 3 January 2021 20: 04
    +4
    I suspect that a single-engine helicopter will always be more economical than a twin-engine lol
  14. Eug
    Eug 3 January 2021 20: 06
    +3
    There is an integral criterion that includes all costs during the operational period, excluding unforeseen repairs. In the described variant, the costs should also include the training of flight and technical personnel, the equipment of airfields, and others related to the development of new technology. Taking into account the load capacity is also not a problem. And only after that we can talk about the economic benefits (for the department, not for the state) of the purchased aircraft. And in order to talk about the benefits for the state, one must also take into account the load on the factories involved in a potential deal and located in this state (if any). As for me, in the described transaction, departmental interests prevail over state interests, which, however, is not surprising ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 January 2021 23: 01
      0
      In Ukraine, Mi-8 is not produced, if what
      1. Eug
        Eug 3 January 2021 23: 25
        0
        Yes, I somehow know. But - they are being renovated in Konotop. AND
        engines for Mi-8, 17, 24, 35 (?) do (if they still do). True, I do not know how they now acquire spare parts, materials and components.
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 January 2021 23: 40
          +1
          Engines make, sell abroad
          And helicopters don't
          They are being repaired, this is so, the Mi-2 is being re-engineered, but these are not new helicopters anyway
          And what should be the state interests in the production of helicopters, if they are not produced?
          1. Eug
            Eug 4 January 2021 07: 44
            0
            There is a large fleet of both Mi-8 and Mi-2. Repair, remotorization and modernization of these, even if in the end they will be less in resource, but also in price! Specifically, it is necessary to count, but for some reason the saying "overseas a half-heifer, but a ruble ferry" does not come out of my head ...
  15. Humpty
    Humpty 3 January 2021 20: 21
    +3
    An incorrect comparison with the Mi-8, but the helicopter itself in its class, at first glance, is quite worthy. One thing is suspicious - 1 engine.
    And we haven't been loading more than a ton on "T" for a long time.
  16. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 January 2021 20: 21
    +4
    And the spaciousness was compared, idiots? 5 people against 25.
  17. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 3 January 2021 20: 29
    +5
    Goat is understandable.
    They are four to five times less.
    It would be strange if they "ate" / were serviced in the same way ...
    Another would compare with "Robinson" ...
    There is one thing!
    Does UA need to have eights?
    According to Juan, is the sombrero? ..
    You see the people, they scratched their turnips, and came to the conclusion that they would get by with this.
    Although it is possible and ours are chasing eights, it is quite possible for nothing ... After all, at one time there were also twos. Probably not because of nothing to do? ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 January 2021 23: 02
      +3
      Why is the Mi-8 needed for patrolling?
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 5 January 2021 20: 09
        0
        It's not about patrolling, as in the process.
        This is me, as the president of UA, I argue, but in the workload of my enterprises. And the loss of jobs, followed by the loss of competencies.
        Perhaps / even most likely, the aircraft plant, after staff reductions and modernization for servicing Western equipment models, will retain its existence, but it will almost never be able to create its own.
        Since this is tied, a bunch of subcontractors. Which, in turn, self-destruct.
        After all, I already went through this whole kitchen in the nineties. In the same Ukraine.
        This is me, for example, for Motorsich.
        This is how, in theory, they lose the world championships ...
  18. Andytur999
    Andytur999 3 January 2021 20: 47
    +4
    The guys love to compare the fundamentally incomparable. Cars of different classes and for different purposes.
  19. Andytur999
    Andytur999 3 January 2021 20: 48
    +4
    Quote: Benzorez
    According to Juan, is the sombrero?

    I applaud!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 3 January 2021 21: 25
      +1
      What ?! I have FACES behind the fence of the plant. Kamovsko / Milevsky. Fly-EVERYTHING! With the arrival of the Russian Federation.
      Tell them the parasites to fly quieter! And within the line of sight in good weather, the polygon at Cape Chauda. They are so zhahayut with their hundred-ton bombs that plaster falls from the ceiling.
      We have a good old shop. We won't live to see reconstruction hi
  20. meidragon
    meidragon 3 January 2021 20: 49
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    Physically, it is not realistic - to spread such nonsense - the specific consumption has not yet been canceled - GRAVE MALE!
  21. Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 3 January 2021 20: 53
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    "They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8": In Ukraine, they named the reason for the purchase of a new batch of Airbus H125 helicopters for border guards. We need to look deeper. Why does Ukraine even need helicopters for border guards?
    1. notingem
      notingem 3 January 2021 21: 34
      -2
      Let the border guards buy boots in France. What is weak? Expensive ?
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  22. Graz
    Graz 3 January 2021 21: 23
    +2
    this is civilian equipment, not military
  23. notingem
    notingem 3 January 2021 21: 29
    +2
    Will carry officials. There is no other explanation. We do not drive to transport two asses.
  24. APASUS
    APASUS 3 January 2021 21: 32
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    They put Ukraine on ZIM and fuels and lubricants from France and think that it is very cheap
  25. Vlad is short
    Vlad is short 3 January 2021 22: 45
    +1
    What hangars were erected far from the border
    1. Grits
      Grits 4 January 2021 04: 24
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      Quote: Vlad is short
      What hangars were erected far from the border

      And what if the "achressor" from a hangover starts to shoot from abroad? wassat
  26. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 4 January 2021 00: 19
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    Quote: raw174
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And there is. The car is 2-3 classes lower. In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters

    The main thing is that for the purpose of patrolling and observation, it is sufficient, at least in a peaceful environment.


    so Sich seems to be releasing mi-2, and even hung some kind of missiles on it ... why do they need this rasping ??!
  27. Curious
    Curious 4 January 2021 03: 21
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    Is this the first such purchase? So you already bought trains that broke down every other day, and used locomotives from the United States under the guise of new ones? And what about kickback scandals for these contracts? It's not even stupidity, it's banal theft and corruption! The scale of this, in Ukraine, exceeded all reasonable limits. Helicopters are one option to fill someone's pocket.
  28. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 4 January 2021 03: 33
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    All this nonsense from the category of "lace panties" !!! forgot kakly - stingy and stupid, pays twice!
  29. faiver
    faiver 4 January 2021 06: 54
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    Well, that never happened ... and suddenly again laughing
  30. Strag-777
    Strag-777 4 January 2021 07: 35
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    damn what you porte)) Ukraine is milked !!! it is milked and everyone from the USA, the EU, they will be shoved there to the maximum. those who jumped thought the EU would help them develop aha schA))) they need a market for their products and nothing more but how to survive they do not care for Ukraine.
  31. January
    January 4 January 2021 11: 05
    +3
    H125 without screws seems to me tight, but it will fit into MI8. Comparing a 4-seater car with a 30-seater is a comparison of an oka and a pazik. Oka is undoubtedly more economical ...
  32. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 4 January 2021 11: 29
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    And what about the promoted "all-composite" Mi-2MSB from Motor Sich? Or has he already been "uncommunicated" too?
    1. garik77
      garik77 4 January 2021 14: 13
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      So the main thing is to make a layout. Show at the exhibition. Well, that's enough.
    2. Vovk
      Vovk 4 January 2021 16: 03
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      Quote: Fil743
      And what about the promoted "all-composite" Mi-2MSB from Motor Sich?

      The problem is one, during the Soviet era, helicopter gearboxes were made on the modern territory of Russia. Now Motor Sich is trying to solve this complex technological problem.
      Currently, a complex of development work and preparation for the production of main helicopter gearboxes VR-442 for MSB-2 helicopters, as well as VR-17MS for helicopters of the Mi-8 / Mi-17 type is underway

      They will be able to adjust the production technology ... then there will be Mi-2 clones.
  33. Alexfly
    Alexfly 4 January 2021 12: 11
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    Haha, why didn't the Mi-2 do with its engine ??
  34. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 4 January 2021 12: 52
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    Of course, it is more economical - it is 4 times lighter. :)
  35. garik77
    garik77 4 January 2021 14: 08
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    "They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8." The owner does not allow buying Russian equipment. And ours will not sell it, most likely.
    And crap all rosiyskoe for each Svidomo kakla holy cause. You can't do without this.
  36. ZVS
    ZVS 4 January 2021 15: 29
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    I am surprised by the idiocy of the Ukrainian generals! What the hell to buy light helicopters from France, overpaying at exorbitant prices, when it was possible to order Mi-2s from their manufacturers and put the same equipment on them.
    Theft has become a national sport in Uraine. )))))
    1. Vovk
      Vovk 4 January 2021 16: 50
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      From the point of view of an ordinary man in the street, the flights of the patrol border MI-8 have already gotten out. This "unit" can be heard for 10 km, and its flight over a residential building at 3 o'clock in the morning causes a local building-shake. Therefore, I personally support the use of the Airbus H125 in the border service, it is really not audible even when it flies over the house. In addition, it is high time to use light helicopters to transport patients to hospitals. We use the local light-engine aircraft for critical situations ... but the plane will not land everywhere.
      And as for the fact that the Mi-2MSB is not in series, so the hulls were made, but only that helicopter gearboxes and blades were never produced in Ukraine ... now Motor Sich seems to have adjusted the technology for the production of composite blades, now tests are underway ... They are fiddling with the gearbox, there are many scientific institutions involved in a serious matter, the problem cannot be solved with a raid.
      1. ZVS
        ZVS 7 January 2021 14: 52
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        Patrolling the border every day by helicopter is the height of idiocy. It is cheaper to install an alarm system at the border.
  37. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 4 January 2021 19: 35
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    Quote: Gritsa
    Quote: URAL72
    A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

    In Ukraine, unlike us. finally, they all the same realized that it was extremely unreasonable to engage in patrolling on trucks. It may be that we have understood this, but they cannot apply it in practice. It seems that we have the equipment you listed, but it seems that it does not exist ... How many of them were produced there and how many in the border troops? So it turns out that the hoh-ly turned out to be smarter

    I report that we also began to count money, Mi-8 for patrolling the roads. Therefore, there ALREADY is on the border aviation with equipment for patrolling. So to say that non-brothers are the first in terms of efficiency is wrong, 3-4 years ago we already switched to small aircraft. Who needs to google.
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  39. anclevalico
    anclevalico 5 January 2021 10: 39
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    One-motor bewilderment. Normally, the more money thrown away, the better.
  40. Foxmara
    Foxmara 5 January 2021 18: 20
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    As usual, they decided to steal. And they compared the incomparable. For patrolling, you can generally buy or make your own gyroplanes. Moreover, they seem to have been made in Ukraine. Only a drone is cheaper
  41. Andrey A
    Andrey A 5 January 2021 21: 37
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    Well, the price for this helicopter will be sky-high, but maintenance and details are, in general, something cosmic. Let the "svidomye" buy. As in such cases they say, if you want to ruin a small country, you need to give it a cruiser: it will go broke on the maintenance of this treasure ...
  42. King3214
    King3214 6 January 2021 21: 09
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    This is great, I think!
  43. Gennady M
    Gennady M 6 January 2021 22: 06
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    And in comparison with the Mi-24 it is even less.
  44. alexey3312
    alexey3312 7 January 2021 23: 57
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    This is about the same as we have with civil aviation in the early 90s.
    We sold Broilers and Watermelons at a loss for a cheap price. Our industry is slowly covered with a copper basin, because our Carcasses with ILs are more expensive than imports when new ones.
    And that's all, and then we "sit" at their aviation industry, and our own kirdyk.
    So the same one to one and the Ukrainians. You could buy Miles and install your own engines, but no luck .....
  45. GRANATE-19
    GRANATE-19 10 January 2021 08: 02
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    This is a different class of helicopters!
    Here you need to look and count for a long time!
    Price, price of components and repairs, price of personnel training. The ability to produce parts and components at home.
    And so the Mi-2 would have coped.