"They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8": In Ukraine, they named the reason for the purchase of a new batch of Airbus H125 helicopters for border guards

The Ukrainian State Border Service announced its readiness to purchase a batch of foreign helicopters. The press service of the department notes that we are talking about French Airbus rotary-wing aircraft.

The State Border Guard Service named the number of such helicopters planned for purchase - 10 units.

It is noted that this is an additional batch of Airbus H125, which will be purchased for the needs of the Ukrainian border guards.

From the statement of the press service of the State Border Guard Service:

These vehicles will be supplied with optical-electronic complexes for monitoring the state border both on land and at sea, including the exclusive sea economic zone of Ukraine.

The head of the State Border Service of Ukraine Serhiy Deineko named the reason why it was decided to purchase an additional batch of French helicopters. According to him, Airbus Н125 “is 4-5 times more economical than Mi-8 helicopters”. The price of the helicopters themselves from the new batch has not yet been reported.

The maximum mass of cargo that the helicopter can carry on an external sling is 1,4 tons.

Attention was also drawn to Deineko's statement about the number of Ukrainian pilots who have a certificate of piloting French-made helicopters. It turned out that there are only six such pilots in the State Fire Service of Ukraine today. But there are 64 mechanics for servicing such rotary-wing machines.

To date, two hangars for Airbus Н125 have been prepared in Ukraine: in Kiev and in the Sumy region. It is announced that there is an additional hangar in the Chernihiv region. Sumy and Chernihiv regions of Ukraine border on the Russian Federation.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

And there is. The car is 2-3 classes lower. In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters

[raw174]

Quote: Zaurbek

And there is. The car is 2-3 classes lower. In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters

The main thing is that for the purpose of patrolling and observation, it is sufficient, at least in a peaceful environment.

[Zaurbek]

Why compare costs? Based on a kg of fuel per passenger, you can ...

[Avior]

Costs per flight hour.
And what is the point of sharing for passengers if there are two people flying there?

[tuts]

the drone will cost even less

[vik669]

A hang glider is even cheaper. And Deer is Better!

[Charik]

better let the wings grow

[antivirus]

also a hang glider will do - the climate allows.
on the nose glasses with wipers. in case of rain, everything will be fine.

[max702]

And who looked at the cost of a flight hour? And what about the cost of the same MOT and other interesting expenses? I do not understand that this is a typical North Gabonese peeling of funds, but only everyone cannot carry such a chuptsa ...

[uralant]

Quote: max702

peeling funds, but only everyone cannot carry such a chuptsa ...

Rather, many can only, but it turns out only the stoned Svidomites.
In light of the upcoming events, Russia will close its gas station and will have to go into austerity. Then it is more economical to fly on the hunt, and even more comfortable on a French toy. Europa my friend, gayrope!

[Vyacheslav01]

You can generally drive a drone back and forth, this is generally a solid economy in peacetime. )

[figwam]

Airbus Н125 "4-5 more economical than Mi-8 helicopters"

Yes, French helicopters cannot be cheaper in operation, despite the fact that on the outskirts for the Mi-8 they also produce engines. I’ll just frostbite my mother’s ears.

[Zaurbek]

You are comparing Kamaz and Renault Logan ....

[figwam]

Quote: Zaurbek

You are comparing Kamaz and Renault Logan.

Warranty service for a foreign car will always be more expensive than domestic equipment, even the article mentions the construction of hangars without which the operation of these helicopters is not possible, and also the purchase of equipment, training, licensing, certification of personnel, but because of their cunning, the Okraintsy do not take this into account as well as the high cost the helicopter itself.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: figvam

maintenance of a foreign car will always be more expensive than domestic equipment

And if you also take into account that Western (European) equipment is very demanding on maintenance and materials, the same fuels and lubricants, then all this will fly into a specific kopeck!

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

[quote = Starover_Z] [quote = figvam] then all this will fly into a specific copy! [/ quote]

This means that residents of the outskirts can afford such expenses. Money - chickens don't bite ...

[Serg koma]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

This means that residents of the outskirts can afford such expenses.

30 May 2018

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine announces the signing of an agreement between Ukraine and France to create a unified system of aviation security and protection in Ukraine. According to this document, Ukraine will receive 55 helicopters manufactured by Airbus Helicopters (light Н125 and Н145 and heavy Н225), the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine reports.

October 23 2020

Ukraine began to receive new helicopters H145 manufactured by Airbus Helicopters for the National Police. As reported, on October 22, the first two helicopters arrived in Kiev ........ In total today excluding two new H145 helicopters, Ukraine received seven Airbus H125 helicopters for rescuers, the National Guard and border guards.

In total, Ukraine plans to receive 55 helicopters manufactured by Airbus Helicopters (light H125 and H145 and heavy H225), and if the H125 and H145 are new machines, then H225 supplied from the fleet of decommissioned helicopters... Of the total, 21 are Airbus H225 helicopters and 34 Airbus H125 and H145.

https://topwar.ru/176386-ukraina-poluchila-pervye-vertolety-airbus-h145-dlja-nacpolicii.html
"The rich have their quirks"
AIRBUS HELICOPTERS H125 (Former model name Eurocopter AS350)
Price 2 998 000 EURO
Features of the model
Helicopters Airbus Helicopters H125 (Eurocopter AS350 B2) consume only 147 kg of fuel per hour of flight.
So they were going to "beat off" money on fuel?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Serg Koma

So they were going to "beat off" money on fuel?

No . On rollback! A couple of lads will put 10-15 -20 percent in their pockets! Like - Waltzman and Kapitelman!

[antivirus]

Kohly confidently go with a fraternal European family.
do not get in the way.
100 billion dollars - was the price of the first steps to change standards, etc. - in 2013 they announced.
they are willing to pay further.

[Zaurbek]

I personally compared Priora with air conditioning and Logan ....
And the comparison is not in favor of the priors.

[figwam]

Quote: Zaurbek

I personally compared Priora with air conditioning and Logan ....
And the comparison is not in favor of the priors.

Because Logan is made in Russia! And if he was going to France, then his price, spare parts and operating costs would be higher.

[Neutron Retarded]

But in France it is not collected either. And in Romania. Logan, assembled in France due to expensive labor, is not a competitor to anyone.

[figwam]

Quote: Neutron Lagging

But in France it is not collected.

That's just the point, the helicopter is assembled in France and Germany and it cannot be cheap.

[Petro_tut]

Logan, assembled in France due to expensive labor, is not a competitor to anyone.

Logan assemblies in Romania, oddly enough, cheaper than Logan assembled in Moscow

[faiver]

this is just not surprising

[Stepan S]

Are you sure that Logan is being assembled in Moscow?

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, the localization is now + or - equal.

[Avior]

These are different helicopters by class.
Service and maintenance of Kamaz will still be more expensive than Logan.

[Titus_2]

Well, if you yourself serve your "Kamaz"?

[Avior]

More expensive anyway
Sami doesn't mean free

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Avior

Service and maintenance of Kamaz will still be more expensive than Logan.

Pepper is clear! There you will hesitate to pour one antifreeze. Wow, I carried buckets ...

[Free wind]

Do they also fly in hangars, with climate control, or in the open air?

[Pavel73]

So it is not we who compare, but they. "A car is more economical than a truck" - Ukrainian comparison.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pavel73

"A car is more economical than a truck" - Ukrainian comparison.

And beeches are even cheaper.

[tikhonov66]

"...
You are comparing Kamaz and Renault Logan ....
..."
- compared ...
"Kamaz-master" - CHRONIC champion of the rally "Paris-Dakar"
Where is Renault? - As?
8-)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: figvam

Yes, French helicopters cannot be cheaper in operation, despite the fact that on the outskirts for the Mi-8 they also produce engines.

TV3-117 of various modifications are produced at Motor Sich.
It is easier to cut off a piece from purchased abroad for a house in Kiev.

[antivirus]

not in Kiev - to live in Nice - happiness ........................................ .................................................. .................................................. ..

[evgen1221]

And what about agricultural KA PCHYOLKA? Little was given to Nifisha. Good patrol car.

[urich]

in the Russian Federation for 2018 N125 operated about 70 units

The press service of AHV notes that UTair, AeroGeo, Skol, Yamal, Vostok and Granat have the most extensive experience in operating this model in Russia. Most often, model H125 helicopters are used for aerial work to monitor extended linear facilities (gas and oil pipelines), transportation of service passengers, ambulance aviation, transportation of goods on an external sling (including during construction and installation work) and geophysical research.

This is a demanded car. I got to the ukropatreots just now.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

And they did the right thing. There were no oligarchs in the USSR.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters

This niche was closed by Mi-2

manufactured in Poland and Ka-26

... Now they are trying to block Ansat

Ka-226

and the release of helicopters under license.
Ukraine also has a similar helicopter that Boguslavsky produces at Motor Sich, it could have produced a pair of Mi-2MSB

[Zaurbek]

Ukraine and the engine does it ... and the brothers, the Poles, are releasing the Mi ....... it must be compared. I agree.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

Ukraine and the engine does to it ..

The money would have gone to pay for the UKRAINIAN workers, like all taxes ... But is it necessary for a modern Ukrainian "owner"?

[Zaurbek]

Well, they are liberal, democratic and European people ... there is a pure economy and democracy. After they themselves cut down their exports to the Russian Federation. This little thing - pieces of 10 engines for 5 pieces of helicopters - bullshit. The Poles, by the way, rush around with their version of the Mi-2 (modernized) and cannot attach it anywhere.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

This little thing - pieces of 10 engines for 5 pieces of helicopters - bullshit.

Five pieces of engines. The Mi-2MSB has one engine.

[Zaurbek]

On the Mi2 itself - one?

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

On the Mi2 itself - one?

Alas, a mistake ... and on the Mi-2MSB there are TWO of them, but more powerful and most importantly ECONOMIC, instead of a GTD-350 with a capacity of 400 hp, an AI-450 or AI-450M with a capacity of 460 hp is installed. from.,

[Flashpoint]

Already would be compared with MI-26 ... Then, in general, the sur would be complete ...
https://jets.ru/enc/H125/

[URAL72]

A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

[military_cat]

Quote: URAL72

A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

The Ka-226 has Rolls-Royce engines, Ansat has Pratt & Whitney, so they should be competitive in terms of economy (otherwise there was no point in choosing these engines).

[URAL72]

I am interested not only in engines, which will also be replaced by domestic ones.

[Zaurbek]

Turbomeka theater (France) here and there

[Dreamboat]

Quote: URAL72

A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

But they could also fly on Ukrainian engines, which would make their maintenance even cheaper, and Motor Sich would not be idle. But....

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Motor Sich makes interesting Mi-2MSB basins, but donor Mi-2s are not an endless resource.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dreamboat

But they could also fly on Ukrainian engines, which would make their maintenance even cheaper, and Motor Sich would not be idle.

Enough, supply something from Russia. YOU know who they think Russia is.

[Grits]

Quote: URAL72

A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

In Ukraine, unlike us. finally, they all the same realized that it was extremely unreasonable to engage in patrolling on trucks. It may be that we have understood this, but they cannot apply it in practice. It seems that we have the equipment you listed, but it seems that it does not exist ... How many of them were produced there and how many in the border troops? So it turns out that the hoh-ly turned out to be smarter

[Observer2014]

Quote: Flashpoint

Already would be compared with MI-26 ... Then, in general, the sur would be complete ...
https://jets.ru/enc/H125/

There is no "sur". The state always buys a car (buys it) for many reasons, from the appointment to the rollback with political overtones. So there is a whole bunch of these for some reason. So you can stop at what you want. Well, not "Ansant" to buy them, in fact?

[TermNachTer]

Avakov buys helicopters because he has a good deal with the French))) that's all the reasons, there are no others.

[dgonni]

This is not his department. Although the track with a guarantee of a rollback could well recommend

[TermNachTer]

Avakov's capabilities are much broader than those of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

[dgonni]

In fact, yes. But the border guards are used to stealing themselves. If the topic is sensible to share with Arsesha is not a question. But he cannot and will not be able to crush them.
For the gray-black schemes intersect and are sawn together, but their pockets are different.

[TermNachTer]

The frontier guards do not need turntables for theft, there are enough double basses.

[dgonni]

Helicopters are a cut of the budget dough.
Well, throwing cigarettes across the pass to the western korefans will also not hurt.
Although it seems like 6 years already the air is closed for such a large plant. Even hang gliders are not listed. A copter is both easier and cheaper

[TermNachTer]

Nobody carries a helicopter, it's easier on foot, just to share with the border guards.

[dgonni]

Not now. Previously, they carried both an-2 and mi-2 and a hang glider

[Holgerton]

Compared with the most affordable and widespread car in the post-Soviet space. By and large, the Mi-2s have outlived their usefulness for a long time, and the Ansat is not available, and, in principle, is not widespread even in Russia.
Therefore, a comparison in the context of the fact that the Mi-8 is their main machine, and they buy equipment that is more economical in comparison with it, sounds logical. This is not a comparison of the efficiency of two cars specifically, they say they are in the same class, this is a comparison of the efficiency of equipment as a whole, they say it is more economical than that.

[Turist1996]

As for Ansat, it has been running for six months now instead of the GXNUMX! Siberia.
Itself was surprised by ear: obviously not "eight"! Lo and behold, and not a foreigner - onboard and looked at the registration: ours, "Ansat" from Kazan, was recorded on the Emergencies Ministry, medical, just like the previous Mi-8 was.

[Turist1996]

And our air detachment, local!

[Observer2014]

Quote: Turist1996

As for Ansat, it has been running for six months now instead of the GXNUMX! Siberia.
Itself was surprised by ear: obviously not "eight"! Lo and behold, and not a foreigner - onboard and looked at the registration: ours, "Ansat" from Kazan, was recorded on the Emergencies Ministry, medical, just like the previous Mi-8 was.

But in Sochi. At the Krasnaya Ppolyana winddrome I first saw Ansant probably ten years ago. If not eleven And I tell you people thought it was an imported machine. But then I walked at home ...

[rruvim]

And DEU-Matiz is more economical than "Loaf" ...

[Turist1996]

GPS of what? What kind of self-proclaimed new formation is "Ukraine"?
I would have come in that way for a start!

[Turist1996]

Well, a separate "surrealism", as well as the very concept of "Ukraine", as a state, a helicopter, in some ways superior to the modern "8-ku" from Mile ... Yes, yes, yes !!!!

[Turist1996]

@ idots stock is practically - forever!

[Constanty]

"They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8"

In addition, they are several times more expensive and will not take anything.
For a businessman, it may be better than Airbus, well, nothing better than the Mi-8 / Mi-17 / Mi-171 has been produced in its class. It is a masterpiece.


However, apparently, someone had to earn

[Pechkin]

You are not confusing anything, maybe this is the Mi-8 (the export Mi-17 is several times more expensive than the Airbus H125 (approximately $ 2).

[Constanty]

In fact, I was wrong and they are actually much cheaper than the new Mi-17. However, these are helicopters of a different class - a taxi and a truck.

However, it should be remembered that, for example, Ukraine has a technical base and personnel to service the Mi-8.

In the case of Airbus, Ukraine should buy everything, not just a helicopter. Repair service possible also abroad

[HAM]

Well, very interesting ---- BOO again! ??

[vfwfr]

Guess)

[Avior]

So used or not?

[vfwfr]

I have no source. I rely on my gut. It is doubtful that everything will be new, although ... if only they will quickly clean up in private hands ... Most likely all this is leased ...

[iouris]

"You wouldn't be chasing cheapness, priest!" (AS Pushkin)

[Lara Croft]

The Ukrainian State Border Service announced its readiness to purchase a batch of foreign helicopters. The maximum mass of cargo that the helicopter can carry on an external sling is 1,4 tons.

Why would the aviation of the border troops carry something on a sling?

[Vovk]

To date, two hangars for Airbus Н125 have been prepared in Ukraine: in Kiev and in the Sumy region. It is announced that there is an additional hangar in the Chernihiv region. Sumy and Chernihiv regions of Ukraine border on the Russian Federation.

Strange, but the article is not completely copied from Ukrainian sources.

In 2020, two hangars were equipped for N125 in the Kharkiv region, one each in Sumy and Kiev. At the moment, preparatory work continues on the construction of a hangar in the Chernigov region.

[Dimide]

I suspect that a single-engine helicopter will always be more economical than a twin-engine

[Eug]

There is an integral criterion that includes all costs during the operational period, excluding unforeseen repairs. In the described variant, the costs should also include the training of flight and technical personnel, the equipment of airfields, and others related to the development of new technology. Taking into account the load capacity is also not a problem. And only after that we can talk about the economic benefits (for the department, not for the state) of the purchased aircraft. And in order to talk about the benefits for the state, one must also take into account the load on the factories involved in a potential deal and located in this state (if any). As for me, in the described transaction, departmental interests prevail over state interests, which, however, is not surprising ...

[Avior]

In Ukraine, Mi-8 is not produced, if what

[Eug]

Yes, I somehow know. But - they are being renovated in Konotop. AND
engines for Mi-8, 17, 24, 35 (?) do (if they still do). True, I do not know how they now acquire spare parts, materials and components.

[Avior]

Engines make, sell abroad
And helicopters don't
They are being repaired, this is so, the Mi-2 is being re-engineered, but these are not new helicopters anyway
And what should be the state interests in the production of helicopters, if they are not produced?

[Eug]

There is a large fleet of both Mi-8 and Mi-2. Repair, remotorization and modernization of these, even if in the end they will be less in resource, but also in price! Specifically, it is necessary to count, but for some reason the saying "overseas a half-heifer, but a ruble ferry" does not come out of my head ...

[Humpty]

An incorrect comparison with the Mi-8, but the helicopter itself in its class, at first glance, is quite worthy. One thing is suspicious - 1 engine.
And we haven't been loading more than a ton on "T" for a long time.

[7,62x54]

And the spaciousness was compared, idiots? 5 people against 25.

[petrol cutter]

Goat is understandable.
They are four to five times less.
It would be strange if they "ate" / were serviced in the same way ...
Another would compare with "Robinson" ...
There is one thing!
Does UA need to have eights?
According to Juan, is the sombrero? ..
You see the people, they scratched their turnips, and came to the conclusion that they would get by with this.
Although it is possible and ours are chasing eights, it is quite possible for nothing ... After all, at one time there were also twos. Probably not because of nothing to do? ...

[Avior]

Why is the Mi-8 needed for patrolling?

[petrol cutter]

It's not about patrolling, as in the process.
This is me, as the president of UA, I argue, but in the workload of my enterprises. And the loss of jobs, followed by the loss of competencies.
Perhaps / even most likely, the aircraft plant, after staff reductions and modernization for servicing Western equipment models, will retain its existence, but it will almost never be able to create its own.
Since this is tied, a bunch of subcontractors. Which, in turn, self-destruct.
After all, I already went through this whole kitchen in the nineties. In the same Ukraine.
This is me, for example, for Motorsich.
This is how, in theory, they lose the world championships ...

[Andytur999]

The guys love to compare the fundamentally incomparable. Cars of different classes and for different purposes.

[Andytur999]

Quote: Petrol cutter

According to Juan, is the sombrero?

I applaud!

[petrol cutter]

What ?! I have FACES behind the fence of the plant. Kamovsko / Milevsky. Fly-EVERYTHING! With the arrival of the Russian Federation.
Tell them the parasites to fly quieter! And within the line of sight in good weather, the polygon at Cape Chauda. They are so zhahayut with their hundred-ton bombs that plaster falls from the ceiling.
We have a good old shop. We won't live to see reconstruction

[meidragon]

Physically, it is not realistic - to spread such nonsense - the specific consumption has not yet been canceled - GRAVE MALE!

[Misha_an26]

"They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8": In Ukraine, they named the reason for the purchase of a new batch of Airbus H125 helicopters for border guards. We need to look deeper. Why does Ukraine even need helicopters for border guards?

[notingem]

Let the border guards buy boots in France. What is weak? Expensive ?

[Graz]

this is civilian equipment, not military

[notingem]

Will carry officials. There is no other explanation. We do not drive to transport two asses.

[APASUS]

They put Ukraine on ZIM and fuels and lubricants from France and think that it is very cheap

[Vlad is short]

What hangars were erected far from the border

[Grits]

Quote: Vlad is short

What hangars were erected far from the border

And what if the "achressor" from a hangover starts to shoot from abroad?

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: raw174

Quote: Zaurbek

And there is. The car is 2-3 classes lower. In the USSR, little resources were devoted to small and small helicopters

The main thing is that for the purpose of patrolling and observation, it is sufficient, at least in a peaceful environment.

so Sich seems to be releasing mi-2, and even hung some kind of missiles on it ... why do they need this rasping ??!

[Curious]

Is this the first such purchase? So you already bought trains that broke down every other day, and used locomotives from the United States under the guise of new ones? And what about kickback scandals for these contracts? It's not even stupidity, it's banal theft and corruption! The scale of this, in Ukraine, exceeded all reasonable limits. Helicopters are one option to fill someone's pocket.

[tolmachiev51]

All this nonsense from the category of "lace panties" !!! forgot kakly - stingy and stupid, pays twice!

[faiver]

Well, that never happened ... and suddenly again

[Strag-777]

damn what you porte)) Ukraine is milked !!! it is milked and everyone from the USA, the EU, they will be shoved there to the maximum. those who jumped thought the EU would help them develop aha schA))) they need a market for their products and nothing more but how to survive they do not care for Ukraine.

[January]

H125 without screws seems to me tight, but it will fit into MI8. Comparing a 4-seater car with a 30-seater is a comparison of an oka and a pazik. Oka is undoubtedly more economical ...

[Filxnumx]

And what about the promoted "all-composite" Mi-2MSB from Motor Sich? Or has he already been "uncommunicated" too?

[garik77]

So the main thing is to make a layout. Show at the exhibition. Well, that's enough.

[Vovk]

Quote: Fil743

And what about the promoted "all-composite" Mi-2MSB from Motor Sich?

The problem is one, during the Soviet era, helicopter gearboxes were made on the modern territory of Russia. Now Motor Sich is trying to solve this complex technological problem.

Currently, a complex of development work and preparation for the production of main helicopter gearboxes VR-442 for MSB-2 helicopters, as well as VR-17MS for helicopters of the Mi-8 / Mi-17 type is underway

They will be able to adjust the production technology ... then there will be Mi-2 clones.

[Alexfly]

Haha, why didn't the Mi-2 do with its engine ??

[Bersaglieri]

Of course, it is more economical - it is 4 times lighter. :)

[garik77]

"They are 4-5 more economical than the Mi-8." The owner does not allow buying Russian equipment. And ours will not sell it, most likely.
And crap all rosiyskoe for each Svidomo kakla holy cause. You can't do without this.

[ZVS]

I am surprised by the idiocy of the Ukrainian generals! What the hell to buy light helicopters from France, overpaying at exorbitant prices, when it was possible to order Mi-2s from their manufacturers and put the same equipment on them.
Theft has become a national sport in Uraine. )))))

[Vovk]

From the point of view of an ordinary man in the street, the flights of the patrol border MI-8 have already gotten out. This "unit" can be heard for 10 km, and its flight over a residential building at 3 o'clock in the morning causes a local building-shake. Therefore, I personally support the use of the Airbus H125 in the border service, it is really not audible even when it flies over the house. In addition, it is high time to use light helicopters to transport patients to hospitals. We use the local light-engine aircraft for critical situations ... but the plane will not land everywhere.
And as for the fact that the Mi-2MSB is not in series, so the hulls were made, but only that helicopter gearboxes and blades were never produced in Ukraine ... now Motor Sich seems to have adjusted the technology for the production of composite blades, now tests are underway ... They are fiddling with the gearbox, there are many scientific institutions involved in a serious matter, the problem cannot be solved with a raid.

[ZVS]

Patrolling the border every day by helicopter is the height of idiocy. It is cheaper to install an alarm system at the border.

[Dmitriy444]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: URAL72

A detailed comparison with the Ka-226 and Ansat would be more interesting. Although even they are able to transfer more people.

In Ukraine, unlike us. finally, they all the same realized that it was extremely unreasonable to engage in patrolling on trucks. It may be that we have understood this, but they cannot apply it in practice. It seems that we have the equipment you listed, but it seems that it does not exist ... How many of them were produced there and how many in the border troops? So it turns out that the hoh-ly turned out to be smarter

I report that we also began to count money, Mi-8 for patrolling the roads. Therefore, there ALREADY is on the border aviation with equipment for patrolling. So to say that non-brothers are the first in terms of efficiency is wrong, 3-4 years ago we already switched to small aircraft. Who needs to google.

[anclevalico]

One-motor bewilderment. Normally, the more money thrown away, the better.

[Foxmara]

As usual, they decided to steal. And they compared the incomparable. For patrolling, you can generally buy or make your own gyroplanes. Moreover, they seem to have been made in Ukraine. Only a drone is cheaper

[Andrey A]

Well, the price for this helicopter will be sky-high, but maintenance and details are, in general, something cosmic. Let the "svidomye" buy. As in such cases they say, if you want to ruin a small country, you need to give it a cruiser: it will go broke on the maintenance of this treasure ...

[King3214]

This is great, I think!

[Gennady M]

And in comparison with the Mi-24 it is even less.

[alexey3312]

This is about the same as we have with civil aviation in the early 90s.
We sold Broilers and Watermelons at a loss for a cheap price. Our industry is slowly covered with a copper basin, because our Carcasses with ILs are more expensive than imports when new ones.
And that's all, and then we "sit" at their aviation industry, and our own kirdyk.
So the same one to one and the Ukrainians. You could buy Miles and install your own engines, but no luck .....

[GRANATE-19]

This is a different class of helicopters!
Here you need to look and count for a long time!
Price, price of components and repairs, price of personnel training. The ability to produce parts and components at home.
And so the Mi-2 would have coped.