The Ministry of Defense announced plans for the supply of armored vehicles to the Ground Forces

The Russian Ministry of Defense announced plans to supply armored vehicles to the units of the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces. According to the press service of the military department, the Army will receive more than 400 armored vehicles.

According to the data provided by the Ministry of Defense, the units of the Ground Forces within the framework of the state defense order will continue to receive Tanks T-72B3, T-90M, T-80BVM, BMP-3 and BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles with the "Berezhok" combat module, as well as BTR-82A armored personnel carriers. In total, it is planned to supply over 400 units of equipment.

In 2021, more than 400 units of armored vehicles are planned to enter the formations and military units of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

- said in a statement.

Thus, it can be stated that the bulk of the armored vehicles planned to enter the troops will be tanks already in service, which have undergone modernization, as well as BMP-2 and BMP-3. Serial deliveries of new weapons are scheduled for 2022.

As Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said earlier, next year, 2022, it is planned to complete the program for creating a large volume of new Russian armored vehicles, including the Armata tank and vehicles on this platform, new armored personnel carriers and howitzers. According to him, the T-14 tank, BMP T-15 "Armata", B-11 "Boomerang", K-17 "Kurganets", BTR B-10 "Boomerang", K-16 "Kurganets" should go to the troops, BREM T-16 "Armata", 152-mm self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV", as well as other promising equipment.

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[Forcecom]

As Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said earlier, next year, 2022, it is planned to complete the program for creating a large volume of new Russian armored vehicles, including the Armata tank and vehicles on this platform, new armored personnel carriers and howitzers. According to him, the T-14 tank, BMP T-15 "Armata", B-11 "Boomerang", K-17 "Kurganets", BTR B-10 "Boomerang", K-16 "Kurganets" should go to the troops, BREM T-16 "Armata", 152-mm self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV", as well as other promising equipment.

I could not resist

[Alex777]

Only the article confuses something:

BMP ... B-11 "Boomerang", K-17 "Kurganets"

B-11 is Kurganets-25, and K-17 is the Boomerang wheeled platform.
On the armored personnel carrier - the same.

[opuonmed]

little need more gold !!!!!

[Lord of the Sith]

And in 2020, 300 tanks were delivered, of which 120 were removed from storage bases. More details: https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1442192.html

[Flashpoint]

And in 2020, 300 tanks delivered

Well, great, but here over 400 - 33% cooler :)
Although there are 300 tanks - and here 400 are not only tanks. We read between the lines :)

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So that's great

Judging by the minus - someone did not understand the irony :)

[Rusland]

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So that's great

Judging by the minus - someone did not understand the irony :)

Is it ironic to powder your brains? Well, well, I don't like you.

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So that's great

Judging by the minus - someone did not understand the irony :)

Is it ironic to powder your brains? Well, well, I don't like you.

I don't use powder :) And at the expense of likes / dislikes - it's better in a personal, so that the members of the forum do not embarrass.

[A good one]

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So that's great

Judging by the minus - someone did not understand the irony :)

Is it ironic to powder your brains? Well, well, I don't like you.

I don't use powder :) And at the expense of likes / dislikes - it's better in a personal, so that the members of the forum do not embarrass.

What a cool guy, he beckons to the corner, not shot kid.

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So that's great

Judging by the minus - someone did not understand the irony :)

Is it ironic to powder your brains? Well, well, I don't like you.

I don't use powder :) And at the expense of likes / dislikes - it's better in a personal, so that the members of the forum do not embarrass.

What a cool guy beckons to the corner, not shot kid.

I said I don’t use powder, so you shouldn’t talk about the corner.
About the shelled ones - let's go to Karabakh - there are many of them.

[Rusland]

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About the shelled ones - let's go to Karabakh - there are many of them.

Why tear the vest on the chest, do not fall.

[Flashpoint]

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About the shelled ones - let's go to Karabakh - there are many of them.

Why tear the vest on the chest, do not fall.

Shitty intelligence works for you! Oh, it sucks! Disappointment!

[Rusland]

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About the shelled ones - let's go to Karabakh - there are many of them.

Why tear the vest on the chest, do not fall.

Shitty intelligence works for you! Oh, it sucks! Disappointment!

But how can I understand you, I spoke here with three boxes, and now rake it jolly.

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About the shelled ones - let's go to Karabakh - there are many of them.

Why tear the vest on the chest, do not fall.

Shitty intelligence works for you! Oh, it sucks! Disappointment!

But how can I understand you, I spoke here with three boxes, and now rake it jolly.

For my - I will answer, and you look after yours better!

[ul_vitalii]

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So that's great

Judging by the minus - someone did not understand the irony :)

I am watching you here recently, I wish you success. I will not tell you about the nickname, you can see yours from the children, and the picture is point to point, the owners of the same symbols will forgive and protect you a lot .. I can eventually name you your future friends, without these symbols.

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So that's great

Judging by the minus - someone did not understand the irony :)

I am watching you here recently, I wish you success. I will not tell you about the nickname, you can see yours from the children, and the picture is point to point, the owners of the same symbols will forgive and protect you a lot .. I can eventually name you your future friends, without these symbols.

Thank you! Nick is really from the game and has been for a very long time. Symbolism is always a multifaceted question. And you don't have many friends.

[ul_vitalii]

I am glad they understood me correctly. See you again, in a positive way, of course. I wish you success.

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I am glad they understood me correctly. See you again, in a positive way, of course. I wish you success.

Thank you, and success to you!

[Thrifty]

Vladyka, will the army receive everything new this year too? BMP 2 and BMP 3 are the days of yesterday of the USSR, and T72B3 is a mockery of equipment, with gaps between DZ, a lesson on how IT CANNOT be modernized! It would be better if all T80 and T90 upgraded what is available and in storage than to impose this non-T72B3 tank on the military!

[113262a]

I completely agree! Tank FOR THE POOR (72) -how do not upgrade it! Is it possible to shove a tower with a basket from the T-80b into it! But the non-brothers had such an option for Malyshev! As with the tower from 55! But that's really for the poor!

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Thrifty
so this year that the army will receive everything new?

There was no such year, and there were no such years. Probably in the Stone Age. 1st new stone ax for the whole cave.
So let's look at 2021. You won't be able to make all 72s by 90s on click.
And the Armata will not spawn.
So you can dream of at least 2000 T90M in the army.
And I'm still waiting for the achievements in the fleet ... Ungrateful occupation of places :)

[Rusland]

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Thrifty
so this year that the army will receive everything new?

There was no such year, and there were no such years. Probably in the Stone Age. 1st new stone ax for the whole cave.
So let's look at 2021. You won't be able to make all 72s by 90s on click.
And the Armata will not spawn.
So you can dream of at least 2000 T90M in the army.
And I'm still waiting for the achievements in the fleet ... Ungrateful occupation of places :)

Something your song is familiar to me, moaning and trembling at night, not from your shack?

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Something your song is familiar to me, moaning and trembling at night, not from your shack?

Wow, haunted house? This is not for me! :)

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Something your song is familiar to me, moaning and trembling at night, not from your shack?

Wow, haunted house? This is not for me! :)

A house hung with cybul and vodka in the underground?

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Something your song is familiar to me, moaning and trembling at night, not from your shack?

Wow, haunted house? This is not for me! :)

A house hung with cybul and vodka in the underground?

Ahhh, okay! I was confused with Ukraine! Guys, I'm farther north :)
Drink alcohol yourself more carefully, otherwise everything is already imagining! And behind the wheel, no, no!

[A good one]

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Ahhh, okay! I was confused with Ukraine! Guys, I'm farther north :)

From Belarus or something.
As for alcohol, this is for yourself and for your friends and numerous relatives.
If you say that to the east, then the Japanese is definitely. Don't bother.

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Ahhh, okay! I was confused with Ukraine! Guys, I'm farther north :)

From Belarus or something.
As for alcohol, this is for yourself and for your friends and numerous relatives.

Not bad, but let's not touch either my friends or my relatives.
And as for alcohol - I hardly drink. And if I do, I don't throw myself at people.

[A good one]

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Ahhh, okay! I was confused with Ukraine! Guys, I'm farther north :)

From Belarus or something.
As for alcohol, this is for yourself and for your friends and numerous relatives.

Not bad, but let's not touch either my friends or my relatives.
And as for alcohol - I hardly drink. And if I do, I don't throw myself at people.

Well, okay, everyone is drinking in your opinion, but we (that is, you) are only snacking, not in our way, not in a boy’s way, who are you, not from Ukraine?

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Ahhh, okay! I was confused with Ukraine! Guys, I'm farther north :)

From Belarus or something.
As for alcohol, this is for yourself and for your friends and numerous relatives.

Not bad, but let's not touch either my friends or my relatives.
And as for alcohol - I hardly drink. And if I do, I don't throw myself at people.

Well, okay, everyone is drinking in your opinion, but we (that is, you) are only snacking, not in our way, not in a boy’s way, who are you, not from Ukraine?

1. So what's wrong with my family and friends? One of my grandfathers died in 43, he was a tanker. What's wrong with him, for example? And father cap 1, submariner - Gremikha, Murmansk, Cuba and many other places. What's wrong with him?
2. Like a kid to throw a wolf pack?
3. In what context is the question asked -

who are you, not from Ukraine who?

?
4. If you are sober ... No, I understand, it might seem.
Do you have any doubts about yourself?

[Rusland]

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Ahhh, okay! I was confused with Ukraine! Guys, I'm farther north :)

From Belarus or something.
As for alcohol, this is for yourself and for your friends and numerous relatives.

Not bad, but let's not touch either my friends or my relatives.
And as for alcohol - I hardly drink. And if I do, I don't throw myself at people.

Well, okay, everyone is drinking in your opinion, but we (that is, you) are only snacking, not in our way, not in a boy’s way, who are you, not from Ukraine?

1. So what's wrong with my family and friends? One of my grandfathers died in 43, he was a tanker. What's wrong with him, for example? And father cap 1, submariner - Gremikha, Murmansk, Cuba and many other places. What's wrong with him?
2. Like a kid to throw a wolf pack?
3. In what context is the question asked -

who are you, not from Ukraine who?

?
4. If you are sober ... No, I understand, it might seem.
Do you have any doubts about yourself?

My grandfather died in '41, the second in '70 was already knocked down, so what are you fussing about, tell me clearly. And my father is a lieutenant colonel, 80 to him and I from the same ...

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Ahhh, okay! I was confused with Ukraine! Guys, I'm farther north :)

From Belarus or something.
As for alcohol, this is for yourself and for your friends and numerous relatives.

Not bad, but let's not touch either my friends or my relatives.
And as for alcohol - I hardly drink. And if I do, I don't throw myself at people.

Well, okay, everyone is drinking in your opinion, but we (that is, you) are only snacking, not in our way, not in a boy’s way, who are you, not from Ukraine?

1. So what's wrong with my family and friends? One of my grandfathers died in 43, he was a tanker. What's wrong with him, for example? And father cap 1, submariner - Gremikha, Murmansk, Cuba and many other places. What's wrong with him?
2. Like a kid to throw a wolf pack?
3. In what context is the question asked -

who are you, not from Ukraine who?

?
4. If you are sober ... No, I understand, it might seem.
Do you have any doubts about yourself?

My grandfather died in '41, the second in '70 was already knocked down, so what are you fussing about, tell me clearly.

What exactly to say clearly? About what? Decide!

Regarding the topic of the article, thank God that the modernization is underway. And they managed to throw off the technique and test it in Syria.
Yes, not as we would like. And populism is everywhere. Even under the USSR there was - one machine, which consists of a manipulator with replaceable blocks and carts with blanks and finished products, was attributed as 3 machines (manipulator, trolley entrance, trolley exit). So it is everywhere.

[Hermit21]

BMP 2 and BMP 3 are the days before the USSR

Sufficient for the vast majority of potential opponents.

with gaps between DZ

Well fucking. Call UVZ urgently, let them stop modernization. Do you have any other complaints?

[Thrifty]

Hermit21-carriage, to you personally, only one-do not poke strangers! And where is T14 now - only without fairy tales like "being tested"! They are raw, with a bunch of problems! This is our ground version of the US F35! And next year, if we see them a thousand pounds, then a couple of mouths, no more!

[Hermit21]

do not poke strangers

This is the internet. I want - I poke. I want - no.

only without fairy tales like "are tested"

Tested.

They are raw, with a lot of problems!

Proofs.

[Petro_tut]

Do you have any other complaints?

It is high time to change NSVT to something more powerful, in modern conditions it is neither here nor there, in fact the tank turret is too small, not enough for a modern body kit, this is so small ...

[Lara Croft]

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Do you have any other complaints?

It is high time to change NSVT to something more powerful, in modern conditions it is neither here nor there,

For a long time already, "Kord" was invented to replace it and it is already in full use, besides, NSVT is not produced in Russia ...

[alexmach]

Here is no need to la-la

BMP 2 and BMP 3 is the day before yesterday of the USSR, and T72B3 is a mockery of technology

BMP 2 and T72B3 is much better than it was before the modernization. Yes, not ideal, but considering that the alternative is the same technique, but without modernization, and even go without repairs, this is a good step forward.

It would be better if all T80 and T90 were upgraded

T-90 and so everything is modernized. The T-80 is generally a forced measure, caused by the lack of T-72B suitable for modernization ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: alexmach

The T-80 is generally a forced measure, caused by the lack of T-72B suitable for modernization ...

T-80 went to the North to serve .... T-72B cannot be upgraded to the level of T-72B3 (read it in periodicals) ...

[alexmach]

The T-72B cannot be upgraded to the level of the T-72B3 (read it in periodicals) ...

In the sense that they are not subject, they seem to be being modernized .. but yes, there was a message that the number of those suitable for modernization is limited.

T-80 went to the North to serve

North and Far East. But this did not happen from a good life, and not from the miracles of the GTE. It's just that there are not enough 72-ks suitable for modernization, and new units are being created, that seems to be the whole secret of their return to service and the modernization program.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: alexmach

In the sense that they are not subject, they seem to be being modernized .. but yes, there was a message that there is a limited number of suitable for modernization ..

Upgradeable only starting from T-72B1

North and Far East. But this did not happen from a good life, and not from the miracles of the GTE.

It is because of the GTE ....

suitable for modernization 72-k is not enough

Most likely ..., but you don't have to choose, there is more likely to be one non-liquid material on the BHBT ...

on the balance sheet of the Ministry of Defense there are no less than 18 units of the aforementioned military equipment. Of these, the main tanks are T-177B (72 units), T-7144 (80 units) and T-4744 (64 units). In addition, the T-4000 (62 vehicles) and the T-689 (55 tanks) are in service. Least of all in the tank forces there are armored vehicles of the new generation - T-1200, there are only 90 units.

- Read more on FB.ru: https://fb.ru/article/142960/skolko-u-rossii-tankov-sovremennyie-tanki-rossii-tyajelyie-tanki-rossii-luchshiy-tank-rossii-foto

[alexmach]

Upgradeable only starting from T-72B1

Clear.

It is because of the GTE ....

But no, most likely. If these same T-72B1s were in sufficient quantity for modernization, they would have closed all the needs with modernized tanks, and no one would need this GTE.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: alexmach

no one would need this GTE.

My uncle from the Zvezda shopping center said that the gas turbine engine starts up faster, that's why they are all sent to the North, I'm certainly not an expert in "wheeled and tracked vehicles", but everything seems to be logical ...

[alexmach]

So it is so. But they also said that the Finns, for example, operate the diesel T-72 in their climate and do not buzz.
Having a variety of techniques is not a cheap pleasure. Hinders the supply. It would be logical to bring all the techniques to a common denominator as much as possible. And in general, with the rearmament of everyone on the T-72B3, this could be done, at least for the old technology. And so it seemed at the beginning and planned. But suddenly they changed their minds and took up the T-80s and modernized them practically according to the same program and just removed them from storage, moreover, recently delivered ones. About the lack of suitable for modernization T-72b1 is just an assumption, but it most logically explains this U-turn with the return of the T-80.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: alexmach

So it is so. But they also said that the Finns, for example, operate the diesel T-72 in their climate and do not buzz.

Quite right. Moreover, the former 6th OA LVO, was armed with a T-72 ...
During the years of the XV, the Finns had two armored personnel carriers in the SV. (one training), armed with T-72, but both of these brigades are deployed in the south of Finland, the basis of the ground forces are infantry and jaeger formations and units ... armed with small arms and small arms artillery ... Finnish infantry fighting vehicles and tanks are in service only armored personnel carriers., as part of the ranger and infantry formations there are Scandinavian articulated tracked armored personnel carriers ...
At the moment, the Finns are cheerfully and dashingly rearming themselves with German tanks ...
According to WIKI: 163 tanks (100 "Leopard-2A4", 63 T-72), as well as about 70 T-55M in storage. 182 BMP (50 BMP-2), 538 armored personnel carriers, 684 towed guns with a caliber of 130 mm or more, 90 self-propelled howitzers (122 and 152 mm), 60 122-mm MLRS, 2 mortars, 316 ATGM launchers, 180 anti-aircraft guns, 1 helicopters ....

Having a variety of techniques is not a cheap pleasure. Hinders the supply. It would be logical to bring all the techniques to a common denominator as much as possible. And in general, with the rearmament of everyone on the T-72B3, this could be done, at least for the old technology. And so it seemed at the beginning and planned.

I agree. Well, the T-62 and T-64 were removed from the troops ...

But suddenly they changed their minds and took up the T-80s and modernized them practically according to the same program and just removed them from storage, moreover, recently delivered ones.

The only explanation is the restart of the tank plant in Omsk ....

Next year, Omsktransmash will continue to engage in deep modernization of T-80 tanks. Alexander Potapov, General Director of Concern Uralvagonzavod JSC, spoke about this during a working meeting with the Governor of the Omsk Region Alexander Burkov.

https://rg.ru/2020/12/11/reg-sibfo/modernizirovannye-t-80-budut-vypuskat-v-omske-v-2021-godu.html
According to VIKI, 99,9 percent of the authorized capital of KBTM OJSC belongs to NPK Uralvagonzavod.
I think UVZ should make new tanks, and KBTM should modernize tanks and military equipment created on their basis ...

[venik]

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Vladyka, will the army receive everything new this year too? BMP 2 and BMP 3 are the days before yesterday of the USSR, and T72B3 is a mockery of technology

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Your suggestion......
Let's give all the T-72 and T-80 (and they are in storage thousands!) let's put on pins and needles (and you can bring them to the quite modern level!). Let's immediately begin to rivet "Armata" in thousands (by the way, each "Armata" is about $ 3-5 million, or about a third billion rubles.....
Here are just some questions:
1. For the production of at least 1000 "Armata" (and we need at least 3000, to start) you need approx. RUB 300 billion (i.e. approx. thirds (!) the annual Defense budget !!!);
2. Will the industry be able to master the production of all components and spare parts in the required quantity?
3. Have all the "childhood diseases" of the new platforms been eliminated?
4. Do we have time with "import substitution"?
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PS I personally also want to see "Armata", Kurgan people, "Boomerangs" and other NEW equipment in the army! And in large numbers!
But you have to be a REALIST! You need to understand that the Country simply does not have enough strength for a lightning-fast rearmament! Our army is big! And you need to choose: cut Sun repeatedly, fast rearming on latest weapon, or assuming the number, rearm gradually, using the modernization potential of old technology (and it, in my opinion, is far from being exhausted!) ..... By the way, neither in the USA, nor in Germany, nothing newer than the "Leopards" and "Abrams" has yet been invented ! New samples are just a deep modernization of old ones (by the way, the same age as T-72 and T-80!) ...
PPS So that screams like: "Everything is gone! The plaster is being removed! The client is leaving!"

I think - INappropriate! (You can throw slippers around).

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Quote: Thrifty

Vladyka, will the army receive everything new this year too? BMP 2 and BMP 3 are the days before yesterday of the USSR, and T72B3 is a mockery of technology

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Your suggestion......
Let's give all the T-72 and T-80 (and they are in storage thousands!) let's put on pins and needles (and you can bring them to the quite modern level!). Let's immediately begin to rivet "Armata" in thousands (by the way, each "Armata" is about $ 3-5 million, or about a third billion rubles.....
Here are just some questions:
1. For the production of at least 1000 "Armata" (and we need at least 3000, to start) you need approx. RUB 300 billion (i.e. approx. thirds (!) the annual Defense budget !!!);
2. Will the industry be able to master the production of all components and spare parts in the required quantity?
3. Have all the "childhood diseases" of the new platforms been eliminated?
4. Do we have time with "import substitution"?
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PS I personally also want to see "Armata", Kurgan people, "Boomerangs" and other NEW equipment in the army! And in large numbers!
But you have to be a REALIST! You need to understand that the Country simply does not have enough strength for a lightning-fast rearmament! Our army is big! And you need to choose: cut Sun repeatedly, fast rearming on latest weapon, or assuming the number, rearm gradually, using the modernization potential of old technology (and it, in my opinion, is far from being exhausted!) ..... By the way, neither in the USA, nor in Germany, nothing newer than the "Leopards" and "Abrams" has yet been invented ! New samples are just a deep modernization of old ones (by the way, the same age as T-72 and T-80!) ...
PPS So that screams like: "Everything is gone! The plaster is being removed! The client is leaving!"

I think - INappropriate! (You can throw slippers around).

So they will throw, that's the trouble! And to take and calculate and estimate the possibilities - it's difficult for them ...

[venik]

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So they will throw, that's the trouble! And to take and calculate and estimate the possibilities - it's difficult for them ...

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And let them rush! Well, God bless them! At least us least TWO!

[Tochilka]

not only everyone can enter the economy!

[Sanichsan]

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not only everyone can enter the economy!

and who do you think can? China that flies on Soviet planes? Or the USA, which has been driving the same tank for 40 years and has already several times cleaned the program of a new tank under the cloth because it is expensive?

[Tochilka]

Let me explain: what has been written refers to the part of the commentators. It is not enough to build equipment, you also need to maintain it, supply consumables, spare parts, provide storage, pay salaries to all participants in the process. This, as seen in some of the comments, is often overlooked.

[Sanichsan]

I agree with you!
but that doesn't override my question. in view of the reasons described by you, even the United States cannot update its tank units.

[Thrifty]

Broom (I am in Russian) -T72B3 is a failed version, it was necessary to do it like the T90M, with a longer turret, where the ammunition was taken out, at least partially, without gaps between the DZ, a more modern gun should be installed. .. I will not throw slippers! But, I will never change my opinion! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[venik]

Quote: Thrifty

Broom (I am in Russian) -T72B3 is a failed version, it was necessary to do it like the T90M, with a longer turret, where the ammunition was taken out, at least partially, without gaps between the DZ, a more modern gun should be installed. .. I will not throw slippers! But, I will never change my opinion! !!!!!!!!!!!!

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As they say in Odessa: "Oh my God!" Nobody is going to "convert you to their faith"! I agree with you - the T-72B3 version of course not the best! BUT! I had to choose honey "Scylla and Charybdis": i.e. with an extremely LIMITED budget - to modernize (T-72, T-80 and T-90) and at the same time "carve out" funds for the construction of T-14. So they chose the criterion: "cost / effectiveness"! How successful was the choice? Yes, the devil knows him! It seems to me (personally) that he was quite successful .... But! For a more truthful assessment, there is not enough information! Chronically not enough !!!"

[Alf]

Quote: venik

But! For a more truthful assessment - there is not enough information! Chronically not enough !!!

And glory to Mars and Jupiter that is missing. For REAL information can be obtained only after a COMPLETE army battle, save us from this ...

[Sanichsan]

judging by the claims, Berezlivy is familiar with tanks at the wartander level, where he is punched into this gap by DZ

[Lord of the Sith]

It also says T-90, Terminators, BMD-4M, ACS Coalition.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sith Lord

of which 120 removed from storage bases

The photo shows the modernized T-80.

[alexmach]

Is it simply taken from storage bases that it has anything to do with the defense order? Here, in my opinion, only the modernized ones counted.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Sith Lord

More details: https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1442192.html

So, as the only source, the author of the blog himself is indicated. Do you suggest taking his word for it?

[faiver]

Tufta, out of three hundred tanks, only 50 pcs. T-90 new, everything else used ...

[lopvlad]

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T-90 new, everything else used ...

I'll reveal to you a terrible, terrifying secret. In the USA, all tanks are used.

[faiver]

we are in courses .....

[alexmach]

I'll reveal to you a terrible, terrifying secret. In the USA, all tanks are used.

Yes, but it's worth mentioning about them that, firstly, they were regularly modernized.
Secondly, they still have some kind of modernization potential, moreover, for "large-scale modernization"
And the last thing - they are all at a pretty decent modern level.

[zadorin1974]

Good Sergey. And how do you see the modernization system? They take all the equipment from the warhead, take it to the factory, repair it for a year, but for now let the military paint the lawns with a broom? "banyumyasokonyak" was poured into the repair plant (after the commissioning, they usually dig out the repair shop on vacation with his wife to the sanatorium). After the repair, the equipment went to the bases and from there in a circle. I certainly understand that B3 is not a fountain. But at the moment, three families are better to have four Vestas than one Hyundai. The cost of T72B3 is $ 1.2 (the plant has already shrunk by one hundred thousand from the original batch) in storage of T72 about 7,5 thousand (official version). So we will cut them and buy T 90 for 5 lyams?

[Doliva63]

Quote: zadorin1974

Good Sergey. And how do you see the modernization system? They take all the equipment from the warhead, take it to the factory, repair it for a year, but for now let the military paint the lawns with a broom? "banyumyasokonyak" was poured into the repair plant (after the commissioning, they usually dig out the repair shop on vacation with his wife to the sanatorium). After the repair, the equipment went to the bases and from there in a circle. I certainly understand that B3 is not a fountain. But at the moment, three families are better to have four Vestas than one Hyundai. The cost of T72B3 is $ 1.2 (the plant has already shrunk by one hundred thousand from the original batch) in storage of T72 about 7,5 thousand (official version). So we will cut them and buy T 90 for 5 lyams?

About zampotekh - liked it

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And in 2020, 300 tanks were delivered, of which 120 were removed from storage bases. More details: https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1442192.html

Part went into service with newly created formations and units ...
150th MRD (Voronezh), 11th TP (Gusev, Kaliningrad region, most likely, MRD will also be deployed there soon) ...
A common thing is that they remove tanks from the BHBT and equip new formations with them, and then they are replaced with already modernized models ...
The empirialists are not asleep and will not wait ... you have to be on the lookout ...

[Old tanker]

Yes. The acceptance of new equipment is again postponed. Five years have passed since the demonstration of prototypes at the parade and another two years at least to wait for production vehicles to enter the troops.
The design school is not the same now that it was under the Union. Even then, they often found out about the "newest" models of AME when they had already been in service for several years and they were spotted by potential opponents.
And now the main thing is to loudly announce the new "wunderwaffle", and you can not think about deliveries to the troops.

[Aviator_]

The design school is not the same now as under the Soviet Union.

The design school has survived at the very least, but mass production is clearly not the same for a long time.

[Hermit21]

How long did it take from the beginning of the design of the T-72 to its serial deliveries to the troops?

[Old tanker]

The question is not relevant. I'm not talking about the beginning of the design, but about showing several prototypes.
And even taking into account your question, it took 1967 years from the first draft of the tank in 7 to its adoption.
And for a comparative test with the T-64, he came out in general after 2 years in 1969. So, under the Union, things went much faster. Even much more complex than the T-72, the T-80 went into production also 7 years after the start of development. Note, the beginning of development, and not the first experimental batch, as in the Armata.

[Vadim237]

Probably because then there was an arms race and the USSR spent more than 30% of GDP on the defense industry - now there is no race for the army, they spend 2,5 GDP and T 80 in comparison with the Armata in terms of complexity of heaven and earth, it is clear that it will be created and tested for a long time.

[Old tanker]

With the technologies of the late 60s, the T-80 in complexity will not be inferior to the Armata with the technologies of the 10s of the 21st century.
What is the cost of installing the world's first gas turbine engine in a tank! And "Armata" has just the main problems with the engine. This is precisely what it is not in service with until now.

[Hermit21]

Well, then what are the complaints about the many times more complex T-14? 10-11 years from the beginning of development, taking into account the complexity and recent ass in the industry, it is quite ok

[strannik1985]

The T-64 was officially put into service in 1964, more or less brought to mind (i.e., the number of claims dropped to an acceptable level) by 1972.

[Old tanker]

Do you think wrong with other examples of technology? At least 5-10 years pass from the beginning of mass supplies to the troops until the elimination of childhood diseases. Mass exploitation in the troops is a much more severe mode of operation of equipment than experimental operation in the troops under the supervision of breeders and designers. So it will be the same with the Armats, Kurgan, Boomerangs and Coalitions. After the start of supplies to the troops, there will be streams of complaints for several years. By the way, a significant part of reclamations from the troops, in fact, turns out to be due to improper operation of new, poorly mastered equipment by crews.
So the flow of complaints is not an indicator.

[Alf]

Quote: Old Tankman

a significant part of the claims from the troops, in fact, turns out to be due to the improper operation of new, poorly mastered equipment by the crews.

Hands must be sharpened as expected, but screwed up from the heart, then the problems become an order of magnitude less.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Old Tankman

The design school is not the same now as under the Soviet Union.

in terms of comfort, the Soviet tank was at the level of a tractor, and the modern T-14 was at the level of comfort at the level of a limousine.

[Old tanker]

In general, comfort is not the main thing in a tank. It was also more comfortable in Lend-Lease tanks, but for some reason the tankers were more eager to fight in the T-34.

[YOUR]

As Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said earlier, the next year, in 2022, it is planned to complete the program for creating a large volume of new Russian armored vehicles, including the Armata tank and vehicles on this platform, new armored personnel carriers and howitzers.

Only if it didn’t work out as with the Su-57, they promised and finally delivered one plane.

[Hermit21]

Not one, but the first

[YOUR]

Firstly, not the first but the second. The first one crashed, and secondly, remind you how much they plan to deliver the Su-57 and for how long. By the way, delivery terms have been disrupted once again.

[Hermit21]

Delivery times are stipulated in the contract. There are no other reliable dates

[YOUR]

Here I am about the same 7 pieces per year, only 76 units. Those. the program is designed for 10 years. While the latter will put the first ones out of service, it's time to remove

[zadorin1974]

Greetings Alexey. The delivery of the FIRST SERIES Su-57 is really already a lot. Firstly, pre-production (there are not one or three) also fly not only at the factory and not with testers. Secondly, assembling a modern fighter is not a skin on a drum. To teach an airplane to fly (any pilot will get you on his toes) will take time and money. Napoleon also spoke about three main things in a war. So let all the "friends" get lost, we have a serial one !!! learned to fly !!! Now they will teach him to fight in the Center.

[iouris]

On which site are the results of the implementation of plans announced?

[alexmach]

On this, check out the news from the past week.

[YOUR]

On the website of the RF Ministry of Defense. Truth without details

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well, shit and shit ... What's the problem? Or shit because you can't do it any other way? One could not resist, the other ... And what about the other ...

[Morozov]

A tank fist of Russia is needed so that it doesn't happen ... missiles, missiles, etc. , but when the tank divisions are in different directions, this is already another
Here the other person's conversation immediately begins in negotiations. And EVERYONE needs negotiations!

[Vadim237]

Now it is easy to cover them with MLRS fire with cluster munitions with a shock core - kamikaze drones and anti-tank missiles on the principle of firing and forgetting the range of some has now exceeded 30 kilometers.

[Morozov]

Quote: Vadim237

Now it is easy to cover them with MLRS fire with cluster munitions with a shock core - kamikaze drones and anti-tank missiles on the principle of firing and forgetting the range of some has now exceeded 30 kilometers.

May be ! But there is protection for everything, and most importantly, the armada rushes and maneuvers, someone will come to the goal anyway ..

[Doliva63]

Quote: Morozov

A tank fist of Russia is needed so that it doesn't happen ... missiles, missiles, etc. , but when the tank divisions are in different directions, this is already another
Here the other person's conversation immediately begins in negotiations. And EVERYONE needs negotiations!

When our tank divisions and even armies were stationed in Europe - yes, it was a duty reason for negotiations. And now at least a dozen of them inside the Russian Federation nashtampui (which is generally unrealistic), who will they strain?

[Xnumx vis]

Tell me what's wrong? I had no internet access for a week. The computer flew. Renovated and now on VO I do not see the usual interface, I do not see the minuses and pluses for comments. How many minuses, pluses per comment. As it is not interesting. You do not see disagreements or supporters. Thank you if anyone deserves an answer.

[Disant]

everything works as it did. Articles ten days old or more - commenting has long been closed.
and this article duplicates the article from December 30, 2020 or is its continuation.
judging by the written - complete gibberish

[Thrifty]

30 vis - you went to the site! So, everything is fine with the account, write comments, you can put an assessment! Maybe the problem is in the browser? Or, with your ip, it is not defined on the site!

[Xnumx vis]

All ! Won ! Returned to the usual order. Thanks to all .

[Alf]

Quote: 30 vis

Tell me what's wrong? I had no internet access for a week. The computer flew. Repaired and now I don't see the usual interface on VO, I don't see the minuses and pluses for comments. How many minuses, pluses per comment.

It feels good.

[Lord of the Sith]

more than 400 units of equipment are planned to be delivered

Quite a lot, good luck!

[Hermit21]

If I am not mistaken, Krivoruchko said that the supply of equipment on the Armata platform would begin before the completion of the development program. So maybe this year they will do

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

2021 should be a year of high-profile promises and large financial investments, elections for the State Duma, and then the grass will not grow!

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Quote: Thrifty

Vladyka, will the army receive everything new this year too? BMP 2 and BMP 3 are the days of yesterday of the USSR, and T72B3 is a mockery of equipment, with gaps between DZ, a lesson on how IT CANNOT be modernized! It would be better if all T80 and T90 upgraded what is available and in storage than to impose this non-T72B3 tank on the military!

After the beginning of the arrival of the Armata, the T72B3 will most likely be made unmanned for them ... a ready-made good drone

[svp67]

T-72B3, T-90M, T-80BVM

The T-72B3 should already be excluded from this list.

[Quadro]

Advise the amers and the Germans to exclude leopards and m1, they are not much younger, and the latter is generally out of production and everything that was on the move in Iraq was on the move.

[Arnaut]

The Britons are planning to abandon tanks, the American Marines are abandoning tanks, in Karabakh, drones were shooting tanks like in a shooting range ...
And then the purchase of hundreds of T-72 and BMP-2.

Comrade Beria is really not enough to optimize the development, production and procurement of new equipment.
If effective managers are not stopped, they will buy several dozen "unparalleled" Robots Fedorov and transfer a couple of combined arms armies to them

[Doliva63]

Quote: Arnaut

The Britons are planning to abandon tanks, the American Marines are abandoning tanks, in Karabakh, drones were shooting tanks like in a shooting range ...
And then the purchase of hundreds of T-72 and BMP-2.

That's real - why are Brit tanks? There is no Warsaw Pact, who is there to be afraid of? I will not say anything about the US MP, because both their tankers will be transferred to the army, they will be returned back if they feel like it. Karabakh is out of place. And the purchase is not hundreds of T-72s and infantry fighting vehicles, but hundreds. Nothing. Since our "partners" in business, it turns out, do not consider us as such, we have to worry about the safety of the "pipe", and of the country that is attached to it. Where to go?

[Incvizitor]

T-72B3, T-90M, T-80BVM, BMP-3 and BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles with the "Berezhok" combat module, as well as BTR-82A armored personnel carriers. In total, it is planned to supply over 400 units of equipment.

Mostly to modernize the old, and most of it looks like an armored personnel carrier bmp.

[tank64rus]

There are so many comments and opinions. In general, according to the plans of our "partners", modernization is everywhere, and new tanks are still only models, as in the United States it is with their huge budget. Well, or modernized exhibition samples like the Leopards of Germany, also modernization. True, Germany and France are developing the "killer" of Armata, but also so far only paper or a computer sample. Calm down, of course, this is not necessary and impossible. Because these countries, with their economic potential, are a very dangerous enemy. The hope is that their bureaucracy is also very fond of the budget or does not like the introduction of a new one.

[A_Lex]

Whether or not the supply of Armata begins in 2022 is no longer so important. So far, one thing is clear - at the current pace of development and refinement of new projects, the basis of the ground forces and the RF Air Force in the third decade of the 21st century will be modernized equipment from the USSR.

[Esaul]

Why not a word about armored vehicles?

[Intruder]

But why are they, after all, the BTR-82A will continue to use: "both in the tail and in the mane", then the point is to mess with all sorts of armored vehicles, Mrapa and other inventions of the rotten West !!! Our bat, at the end of the last century, is stronger and more reliable for the Russian people and helps to immediately raise patriotism - by 80 lvl! :)))

[Intruder]

According to him, the T-14 tank, the T-15 Armata BMP, the B-11 Boomerang, the K-17 Kurganets, the BTR B-10 Boomerang, the K-16 Kurganets, should go to the troops. BREM T-16 "Armata", 152-mm self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV", as well as other promising equipment.

more precisely, only in the long term, and in 2022, we will again learn an excerpt from 2021, what exactly they will get there once ... and only promising equipment in 2023 already !? :)