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Memories of school past and present

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Memories of school past and present
Learning at school can be an experience for your child with just a little help. Well, for example, a costume song review is being held at the school. What if you sing a song from the movie "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession"? "He rings with chain mail and speaks tenderly ...!" One of the parents provided boots, chain mail and helmets. I made a sword, shields and spears. The costume for Marusya is from the children's folk choir. And in the end, we got a memorable performance that everyone really liked.


Some talk about the past of our school:

"Oh, how good it was."

Others argue that it is bad today.

But how many of the critics in education have worked? Do they know from their own experience how everything has changed there over the last half century?

Or their attitude to school is purely consumerist:

"She must teach!"

But maybe the parents should also help the school, eh?

Your lot is the Burden of the Whites!
Demolish patiently
Threats and insults
And do not ask for honors;
Be patient and honest
Do not be lazy a hundred times -
So that everyone understands -
Its repeating order.

(R. Kipling. "Burden of the Whites" Translation by V. Toporov)

Memories of the past. Not so long ago, two materials about the school appeared on VO. One (if I may say so) with a minus sign: today everything is bad, give us back the Soviet school, and ideally the USSR itself. And the second - with a plus sign, where, in general, commonplace things were explained.

Namely: that society develops as the tools of labor improve. New tools abolish old as well as ancient professions. Those of them that were in demand 20 years ago are no longer needed by anyone, but completely new ones are needed, which are not even taught. And if earlier the school had the task of teaching for a long time, today it is completely different - to help itself acquire the necessary knowledge in the required volume.

The most interesting thing, however, is that most of the commentators at the school have never worked. And they only refer to their school skills and the experience of their children.

Well, I will also not refer to different scientific data. And I'll tell you about my school observations. But not a student (I have already talked about this and will continue, but not now), but a teacher.


The simplest homemade product that can be done in elementary school with children for the sake of developing skills and abilities, well, let's say, by organizing a technical creativity circle in it, is a Papuan hut. It consists of only five parts.


This is how it looks when assembled. And you can also tell the children about the Papuans themselves and even show them on the projector screen! The hut itself can be hung from the tree!


Do you want Papuans? Are you an adherent of national log architecture? Here is an old Russian tower made of corrugated packaging. And it can also be hung on the tree. Well, the school needs to hold a competition of homemade Christmas tree decorations. And so that the prize for the best of them would be good!

I had to deal with work in a school, and in a rural one (secondary school in the village of Pokrovo-Berezovka, Kondolsky District, Penza Region) in 1977-1980, when my wife and I worked there in a direction. That is, they worked out our free diploma.

I personally had to teach (due to the lack of teachers) except stories and English (a specialty in a diploma), and also geography (from 5 to 9 grades), history with social studies, labor, and in addition also lead a technical circle. My wife taught English and history in elementary school, plus a home economics class.


Does your school have a pool? Wonderful! The raft of the zhangada just asks to turn it into a homemade model ... And you can also make with the guys models of rafts "Kon-Tiki", totoras, "Seven Sisters", "Nonparel". And, of course, each of them should be told while they are being made. Checked: in 40 minutes of the lesson you will meet!

The school had well-equipped and equipped classrooms for chemistry (led by the head teacher from the local), physics and biology (the same). The historical office was practically absent, it had to be drawn up from scratch.

And it was the same with English. Before me, they studied German for one year at school. And from the very first September, they did not know whether they would have a "language" or not. And, of course, they did not have textbooks.

This is the question of high-quality Soviet education according to a single standard ... Ha! Yes. This standard varied from village to village.


On April 12, they made such missiles with the kids. “Fly, fly, rockets, it's time for us to solve riddles, and reveal all earthly secrets and secrets around! (This song is like that!)

I did my internship at school No. 1 in the city of Penza, which both then and now is considered an elite educational institution. It is clear that I made a decent discount on the level of preparation of children for the first lesson. And everything seemed to be clear to them.


I am convinced that in the fifth grade, in the lessons of the history of the Ancient World, you can work with your hands. Such a pyramid of Cheops can be made by the labors of a small group of students. Stand - pizza packaging


And everyone can make a simple pyramid. Here is such (opening) can be built in the classroom of the history circle.

A week later I ask for a retelling of the paragraph. And in the class "Italian strike" - no one is ready!

I start to figure out what's the matter. And they explain to me that they were taught the wrong way (a retired teacher), that they in the classroom took turns reading the text by paragraph (!), Then they immediately retold it (what they read / read about). And so the whole lesson.

"And they didn't ask us to read anything at home!"

- the guys told me.

And then their teacher confirmed it to me.

"What strange pedagogical tricks!" - I thought. - "No gate!"

But the fact remained. In grade 10, none of the students could retell even half a paragraph, although they listened to me attentively and with pleasure. And even two nicknames were awarded at once: "Buratino" (for my long nose) and "Directory". For the fact that I answered any of their questions, up to the following:

"Is it possible to get pregnant from a kiss!"


And this is a model of an ancient Greek temple. You ask him to do it at home in parts. And then you collect it right in front of the children before their eyes.

Since there were many consanguineous marriages in the villages around, there were children with congenital deformities among the students. And sometimes even smart ones!

It was worse with those on whom kinship was reflected not externally, but influenced the brain. There were children who were able to remember everything, but did not understand anything. And those who couldn't remember anything at all. And they all studied together with ordinary children. It is clear that this created a lot of problems with discipline and interfered with the training of those who were all right with their heads.


In the 6th grade, God himself ordered the children to make a model of a knight's castle and such a throwing machine from 10 logs rolled on a pencil.

There was also a labor office at school. Workbenches, planes, axes, hammers ...

I tell the director:

"And how can I conduct classes with this program?"

And he told me:

"Based on local conditions!"

The same about the circle ...

But the main problem was the requirements. Yes Yes. Requirements for us, teachers, from the district.

Commentators write that the task of the Soviet school was to educate a creator? No it is not! We were told:

“Teach them so that they stay in the village. There are not enough workers in the village! "

That is, how is it? And like this: to stay!

But "the goat understands" that if the child studies well, he will try to leave for the city, and he will not go to milkmaids, let alone cowgirls. So, we should not teach, but imitate the learning process?


But how do you like such a bus or a car made of packaging cardboard? The competition for the best home-made car for dolls among primary school students is so straightforward to arrange and you want to ... Or a rally of such cars along the school corridors, and let the racers pull them by the string!

No problem.

But there were checks? And then it was required to show that you at least taught the children something? And the children themselves are not so fools? Among them were the children of teachers, state farm managers, office workers. They would have figured it out quickly. With all the consequences ...

But there were those who (especially boys) came up to me and said so bluntly:

"I will stay in the village, I will be a tractor driver, a chauffeur, a combine operator ... How about your English?"

And these boys were three times right.

Well, where did you see the combiner reading Shakespeare in the original? He doesn't need it at all!

I answered him:

"Well, then you already sit in silence and don't bother me in class!"

And they did not bother me, they played sea battle.

But then they had to take the 10th grade exam? And not to me alone, but to the commission and in the presence of the head. district.

It's good that one of them's nerves broke down. And he said so bluntly that he did not need this English, because he would work with his father on the combine.

“You see,” I say, “the children stay in the village. Everything is as you said! "

We gave them three. And so the whole thing ended.

That is, everything was within the framework of Soviet traditions: one thing was asserted, people thought differently, and often said and did exactly the opposite of what was said. And it was such a cognitive dissonance that God forbid!


This is an airplane that can be put on an elementary school child. The propeller rotates from the incoming air flow. We conduct “Air Races of Aircraft of the Great Patriotic War. The aircraft of the hero pilot Kozhedub and the hero pilot Pokryshkin are at the start! " It is necessary that the planes be at least a little like real ones, and you can estimate the "copy number" and "speed". It is not difficult to make such a plane. Checked! And you can make a four-engine "bomber", and let the guys "fly out" on the stage and sing: "We are flying, hobbling in the darkness ...". And then this verse: "Messerschmidt" was shot down by us, and the car flies on parole and on one wing! " The success of this performance is guaranteed!

I returned to the city.

And I can't even think about working at school. And there are no vacant places in universities.

I went to the OblSYUT - the regional station of young technicians. And he began to lead a circle there part-time. Half-time is 15 children and every Sunday there is two academic hours. Oblono was directly subordinate to Oblono, so the supply there was much better than in my Berezovka.


Everything is there today for organizing a circle of historical reconstruction.

But I did the first lesson, my children made a vibrating walk from a soap dish, and bought in advance a soap dish and four toothbrushes, which cost them 1 ruble. I gave them two DP-10 micromotors (2 rubles), and by the end of the lesson we had already organized a competition: "Races of vibrating walkers." Naturally, the children took their models home.

For the second lesson, I ask for two more motors. And the director says to me - figs you, you ate the monthly limit! I'm going to the chief accountant Oblono. And he told me -

“Not only do you order plastic boxes for me, but now you also need soap dishes and motors over the limit. Do you need shaving cream? "

But we are educating the creator, we are sailing into tomorrow, our spaceships are sailing ...

And he told me:

"Based on local conditions!"

The situation changed a little, only when my guys for the first time in the history of the Penza Oblast Regional Union received gold medals of the USSR Exhibition of Economic Achievements. But again - not much.

But then I gathered a meeting of parents, explained everything to them and asked them to give the children money. And in return they will bring you their homemade products, and you will see that I do not save up for the Zaporozhets. And all parents reacted to this with full understanding. And there were no problems with the supply in my circle.

But on the other hand, classes from free became paid. But high quality. And for those who were dear, I advised the circle "Cut and glue from paper."


Even an ancient Greek helmet, it turns out, is not difficult at all to be made of paper, and even with a comb.

Then my daughter went to school.

But we made a big mistake due to the inertia of thinking: we sent it to my own 6th special school with English from the second grade.

And she got to the most perfect unfortunate teacher, even worse than the one that taught me there in primary school. As a result, my daughter, of course, began to know the language, but learning there was very uncomfortable from the very beginning.

I led a circle there again and the lessons in it confirmed everything that I had written about by that time in my books "From everything that is at hand", "When the lessons are done", "For those who love tinkering." That is, the level of technology of these books corresponded to the level of preparation of children for school at the level of 1–4, up to 5–6 grades.


However, all other equipment too.

Years have passed.

And ten years ago my granddaughter went to school. Here we were smarter: we sent her not to a prestigious school, but into the hands of a good teacher, whom we found on the Internet. By the way, the school where she worked was literally next to our house. Which was convenient in every way.

Now we both went to school with her: me and my daughter.

We talked to the teacher. And she confessed to us that she hated the lessons of labor, and the circle of technical creativity was a thing that was completely inaccessible to her. Well, so we freed her from this for the entire training period.

I specialized more in homemade products with a technical bias, and my daughter specialized in aesthetic: greeting cards for mothers in scrapbooking style, 3D drawing of my own hand ...

The wife organized Christmas trees on March 8. One of the parents was in charge of all the music.

By the way, my studies helped to clarify an interesting fact. Children in terms of development of finger motor skills and creativity began to lag by about a year behind those children on whom my books were written. That is, from children of the 70s-80s of the twentieth century.
What I gave then already in the first grade was hardly done here in the second.

But what does this mean?

And that in a family, parents are not engaged in the development of creative skills in children. They did not do this even then, but the children themselves were placed in such conditions that they cut, sawed, glued. And today they do not need this. Press the buttons and the whole world is in your pocket.

So, it is not the school that makes the children stupid, but first of all, the parents themselves do it even before it. They don't know that a child's mind is at his fingertips.

And another thing: 80% of the children in the class coped with the task, and 20% - well, not at all. Their hands did not grow from there. And of those eighty percent, 20% had good jobs, and the remaining 60% had poor jobs. Interesting, isn't it?


Putting on a play with children when they are still young costs nothing at all.

In high school, we did not see the effect of such cooperation and it was stopped. They decided to finish 9 classes together and chose a college where the granddaughter would be comfortable studying. And she gets the bulk of knowledge from us herself. Remotely. And he copes with it perfectly.

And this is what all our common experience of both teachers and parents now says: we must learn from the very beginning in a team. This is a necessary socialization. Then your child will have to communicate with "goats" and with idiots, and ...

In short, let him get used to it, while the "goats" are still small. With large ones, it will be more difficult. Isolating children at home is a very poor teaching technique.


But this is precisely socialization, the acquisition of skills to act from the stage.

Next.

Today, when sending a child to study, you need to choose not a school, but a teacher. After elementary school, when he receives a solid base of primary knowledge, he can already select a school.

But after the 9th grade, it makes no sense to go to school today. This, from my point of view, is a waste of time.

By the way, today I would even send my child to a rural school (of those that are closer to the city!). After all, it is now better there with a basic level of knowledge. And with food. They steal less and therefore feed them less disgusting. Only a car is needed for the village. Plus free time.

One more conclusion.

Everything comes from the family. If the mother is "dunka" and the father is half-drunk "Vanka", then no school will fix their child.

Want your child to read books: read them to him from an early age. And read them yourself constantly.

If you want him to have a healthy stomach, forget about sugary sodas and acrylamide chips. Both you and his food should be healthy.

Bad food at school? Just tell me my baby doesn't eat that.

And a child swam with fat is, first of all, an oversight on the part of his parents.

Is the child not doing well in some subject? There is no need to scold him. Hire a good tutor better. You cannot save on your children. It's like a bank where you save money at a very high percentage of capitalization.


In summer, the school often organizes summer camps. Great, so let the children there make models of armor under your guidance and weapons... And they shoot at targets from a bow. Here in this camp the children made helmets from the Wendel era.

And, of course, our Russian nobles were right when they sent their offspring to travel abroad for education.

Our granddaughter, for example, has been traveling around Russia and abroad since she was three years old. We started with Yeisk and finished with Loriet de Mar in Spain, Monaco and Vienna. But on the other hand, she does not hesitate and speaks English, and she can make an order in a restaurant herself, and ask a police officer, and say the word "no", which is very important and which even many adults in our country do not know how.

In a word, you cannot save on children here either. Anything that increases their chances of success in later life should give them.


In order for a child to read books, one must start by reading them to him. Only then will he acquire a taste for reading. No school of love for the book can instill in a child!

So, as you can see, today's school is a reflection of what we have at home. This is first and foremost.

И She's not as bad as she seems.

And it is in our power to make the good even better, and the bad - let's say, just bypass (so that we don't get into trouble!), As we go around a dirty puddle on the asphalt. If you have neither the strength nor the desire to take the broom and sweep it.

PS


By the way, great changes have taken place in my Pokrovo-Berezovka. Once, on the way from Saratov, my daughter and granddaughter stopped by there. The house where we lived disappeared, collapsed, but there is asphalt all around, the road there is also asphalted. And the economy is booming. As they were told, an intelligent owner started up. It will be necessary to find out in more detail everything. And write about it. And then after all we all repeat -

"Fields are overgrown", "villages are dying out."

Only now, it turns out that fields are not overgrown everywhere in Russia.

And in fact, not all villages are now dying out!
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  1. apro
    apro 7 January 2021 05: 37
    +4
    Here you need to put a plus ... the author in his topic ... a restless devotee.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 7 January 2021 10: 41
      +8
      Yes already .. Vyacheslav is consistent .. Especially impressed:
      Since there were many consanguineous marriages in the villages around, there were children with congenital deformities among the students. And sometimes even smart ones!

      Where is it in the Penza region there are such remote villages .. that there is no way to choose a couple that is not of your own family? In general, given the rural mentality, where condemnation had a huge impact and pressure on the individual, and consanguineous marriages were always condemned .. but at least since then, when it was proved that they bring defective offspring.
      In the Ulyanovsk region, where my father is from, I have not seen consanguineous marriages, as in the Kirov region, where my mother is from ..
      So, as you can see, today's school is a reflection of what we have at home. This is first and foremost.


      Today, when sending a child to study, you need to choose not a school, but a teacher.

      Of course, a lot depends on the teacher .. since the teacher's task is not to fill the vessel (student) with knowledge, but to light the torch ..
      Only here problems arise ..
      - Do we have many teachers who are so qualified and know how to light up? To ignite, you need to burn yourself .. and not think how to survive on 17 -20 tons .. but if this teacher is for a fee, then many can afford to pay?
      1. apro
        apro 7 January 2021 11: 05
        +4
        Svarog .. my friend is a teacher. A little aware of the problems. And they only get better every year. The distance woman today is a problem. After her how to work with the students?
      2. kalibr
        7 January 2021 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Svarog (Vladimir)

        Vladimir, do you not realize that in that village my wife and I are still remembered? That there are teachers of my peers, pensioners, who, if not read, can read it? That is, inventing in the age of the Internet is more expensive for yourself, eh? So the argument I DID NOT SEE - it was not, is not true. Are you thinking PS. at the end of the article I wrote for the volume or for some reason?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 7 January 2021 12: 36
          +13
          Quote: kalibr
          Vladimir, do you not realize that in that village my wife and I are still remembered?

          Memory can be different .. given your approach of the teacher .. Well, I mean this:
          It was worse with those on whom kinship was reflected not externally, but influenced the brain. There were children who were able to remember everything, but did not understand anything.

          We can conclude that you had to work with the id-mi .. and you didn’t manage to convey the material to them .. Or maybe you taught so-so .. and it was not the goal to ignite .. but the goal was just to work out .. through the sleeves .. given this .. it looks like I'm right ..
          I had to deal with work in a school, and in a rural one (secondary school in the village of Pokrovo-Berezovka, Kondolsky District, Penza Region) in 1977-1980, when my wife and I worked there in a direction. That is, they worked out our free diploma.

          So you judge, solely relying on your own life experience and everything and everyone falls under the comb .. But people are not ideal, including you .. despite the rich life experience and a lot of read literature .. human vices all have their own.
          It turns out the teacher You were so-so .. but at the same time you taught Marx and Lenin .. (if I'm not mistaken) at the university .. at the same time, you yourself did not believe and hated your subject .. not beautiful, like that ..
          And of course, there was little benefit from you .. the subject with such an approach, the students did not learn .. But the salary was regularly received ..
          Still, cadres decide everything ... and in the education of teachers .. And it is teachers who need to be taught better and pay more ... so that future generations have prospects ..
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 January 2021 13: 00
            +5
            Resanulo
            But maybe the parents should also help the school, eh?

            In my opinion, on the contrary, the school should help teach and educate.
            Unfortunately the reality of the present day, the child was sent to kindergarten or school and the parents "wash their hands"!
            Someone else's aunt or uncle will not replace parents, so the children of those parents who invest time and attention in their children "win". In this case, even money is secondary.
            Somewhere like that!
          2. kalibr
            8 January 2021 08: 47
            -5
            No, Vladimir, you are as stupid as a traffic jam! I wrote to you about what, that in the era of the Internet it is stupid and dangerous to write about what is not true, because there will always be people who may be witnesses. Can I explain it easily? You can guess as much as you like what "hated" and "did not report", consoled by this. But add your brains (rudely, sorry, but you can't say otherwise!) That I just wouldn't write about anything like that. Well, we don't write about the color of feces in the morning, right? You can always get around an unpleasant topic, and generally not write about it. And once it is written, it means that everything is type-type top, high class. It doesn't matter what the same teacher thinks about his subject and students. It is important how he communicates with them and how he presents him. The same history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was a very serious subject, just like ... goodbye. So Vladimir, think again, think with your head, not s ... before giving birth to your next pearl in the comments!
        2. dauria
          dauria 8 January 2021 04: 49
          +8
          Vladimir, do you not realize that in that village my wife and I are still remembered?


          The teachers are remembered. And all - both good and bad. They remember their actions, even unintentional ones, if they sink into the soul. Perhaps someone remembers you too. It's hard to live without doing anything good to anyone.
          But you are not a rural school teacher. Now you look ridiculous with your articles. Do not be offended. Turn around in front of the mirror, but try to admire yourself. And after all, not to us, but rather to yourself, you are trying to prove "I am good, and my life is not empty, but correct."
          There is an old movie "French Lessons". I was lucky, as a child I came across such a teacher ...
          And finally. "If the mother is" dunka "and the father is half-drunk" Vanka ", then no school will correct their child." - You are a layman, not a teacher. Among "successful" families, there are not more capable children, and even fewer hardworking and stubborn ones.
          1. kalibr
            8 January 2021 08: 52
            -3
            Quote: dauria
            Among "successful" families there are no more capable children, and even fewer hardworking and stubborn ones.

            Of course less. After all, there are more plebs! And the best in it, too, should be more for anyone!
      3. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 7 January 2021 15: 08
        +7
        he confused everything, not from consanguineous, but from alcoholic, learn materiel
      4. victor50
        victor50 11 January 2021 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Yes already .. Vyacheslav is consistent .. Especially impressed:
        Since there were many consanguineous marriages in the villages around, there were children with congenital deformities among the students. And sometimes even smart ones!

        Where is it in the Penza region there are such remote villages .. that there is no way to choose a couple that is not of your own family? In general, given the rural mentality, where condemnation had a huge impact and pressure on the individual, and consanguineous marriages were always condemned .. but at least since then, when it was proved that they bring defective offspring.

        Family Code of the RSFSR. Article 16. Obstacles to Marriage

        Marriage is not allowed:
        between persons of which at least one is already in the other
        marriage;
        between relatives in a straight ascending and descending line,
        between full and half brothers and sisters, as well as
        between adoptive parents and adopted children;

        between persons, of which at least one is recognized by the court
        incapacitated due to mental illness or dementia.
    2. zenion
      zenion 10 January 2021 19: 29
      +1
      She-bo, pry-bo! Don't understand who this article is for? If for teachers and children, then the site is not at the right place. Apparently in other places the article was abandoned. If it is not clear for the parents how parents can replace the teacher, or the parents have to stuff the teacher's face in a dark corner for wrong teaching. Still, for whom is there so much text that has nothing to do with the Ministry of Education, which this site will not read. Probably the author hopes for the Army, tanks, cannons and bomb them, who in particular?
  2. Sayan
    Sayan 7 January 2021 05: 55
    +17
    For all the pros and cons of the Soviet education system, its quality was several orders of magnitude higher than the modern one.
    I'm not even talking about accessibility.
    Good article, I liked it))), as the character of V. M. Shukshin used to say in the movie "Red viburnum".
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 7 January 2021 06: 44
      +12
      The author describes remote places, but what and how is it now in such remote schools?
      I also want to invite the author to write an article about the then and current higher education. Remember how he received it and compare with the current one, when he suddenly receives some kind of bachelor's degree and it turns out that in order to get a fully higher education, you need to go somewhere and pay money
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 7 January 2021 06: 53
        +13
        Why compare the incomparable - the accessibility and level of Soviet and Russian education are, as they say, two big differences ...
      2. kalibr
        7 January 2021 07: 23
        0
        Quote: YOUR
        I also want to invite the author to write an article about the then and current higher education. Remember how he received it and compare with the current one, when he suddenly receives some kind of bachelor's degree and it turns out that in order to get a fully higher education, you need to go somewhere and pay money

        I have already written a lot! If you go to the profile. From 1982 to 2017 I taught at lice, but how I got lice did not write. So I'll write, they will again write about self-praise ...
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 7 January 2021 07: 30
          +12
          Why self-boast, write the truth
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2021 07: 34
            -2
            Quote: YOUR
            Why self-boast, write the truth

            So I wrote it. What I did, what I saw, what I know ... And what I didn't do I didn't write. When teachers from school 47 open this material, they will say that everything is so. And all the photos are from there, not from Mars. What other truth do you need?
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 7 January 2021 08: 09
              +2
              It seems like the conversation was about higher education and you promised to write.
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2021 08: 18
                +1
                Well, yes, it was and it is in the plans, but when it will be, I don't know. Do you know how many "orders" have already been made to me? And we must fulfill them! But I remember about lice.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 7 January 2021 12: 46
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              And all the photos are from there, not from Mars. What other truth do you need?

              Was there a pool, or were rafts in the pool?
              1. Pushkar
                Pushkar 7 January 2021 13: 40
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3

                Was there a pool, or were rafts in the pool?

                Paper ones?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 7 January 2021 13: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: Pushkar
                  Paper ones?

                  I do not know. The author writes about the pool. However, he has all the paper crafts, it seems.
                2. kalibr
                  8 January 2021 11: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Pushkar
                  Paper ones?

                  Yes, they swim great if covered with nitro varnish.
        2. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 7 January 2021 10: 54
          0
          I was lucky, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I got a good school, wonderful teachers.
          Circles, sections, library ... But for a long time it was overloaded. There were 45 of us in the first class. Then they slightly weeded out ... And in the third grade they organized an all-city competition of song and structure. Dropped to our school as a medical instructor and be!
          In reality, it became a headache for our mothers - it was necessary to sew shorts and belts ... One hundred people! My mother sewed belts and after that she "cursed" this competition, the school, and the organizers!)))
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 January 2021 12: 51
            +4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            My mother sewed belts and after that she "cursed" this competition, the school, and the organizers!)))

            And we somehow suggested to the relatives to bake cookies for a tea party. Also a type of competition. The purchased ones did not roll. One loner dad also cursed everything. laughing
      3. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 7 January 2021 09: 17
        +2
        The author of the article has already written about his completely free graduate school.

        With regard to being paid or free of charge, this has little effect on the quality of education. The quality is rather influenced by the management policy of the management of the educational institution and the situation in society as a whole.
        1. Polymer
          Polymer 7 January 2021 17: 30
          +10
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          As for paid or free, this has little effect on the quality of education

          It has a very strong effect, radically changes the entire system. As in healthcare. The very end goal of the process is changing.
          There are areas of activity that cannot be commercialized. When making a profit becomes the primary goal, teaching children fades into the background, with all that it implies.
          From the very beginning of his career, the author set himself precisely the extraction of profit from his activities, and when this did not work out, he attributed his own shortcomings to the “wrong system,” “the results of incest,” and other external reasons. Meanwhile, he could not fulfill the tasks set before him - to educate a creator who would not want to leave his native village. Here I agree with Svarog - the teacher from him, most likely, was "so-so".
          We repaired school desks in labor lessons, we could say that we produced pointers in series, we made flower heads (also for the school) from used pipes and wire - and a lot of useful and necessary things! And not every nonsense made of cardboard was glued. And for this approach to teaching I am still grateful to Vladimir Fedorovich - our Teacher of Labor. By the way, he also led an aircraft modeling circle, but exactly as a circle, during non-academic times, and completely free of charge. And our models flew!
          1. kalibr
            8 January 2021 11: 32
            -7
            Quote: Polymer
            he could not fulfill - to educate a person who is a creator, who at the same time would not want to leave his native village.

            Are you "completely" or are you pretending? "Creator" in the village and on a tractor? Are you laughing? He's all to do: plowed, drank, ate, had sexual intercourse, left behind a replacement for a tractor ... and died. Well, if he is "quite a creator" - let him sing in the choir of the village club and build a gyroplane in the barn!
            1. Polymer
              Polymer 9 January 2021 06: 36
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              I personally always choose the positive one. That is, I try to think well of each person. Choosing a negative point of view also characterizes a person, doesn't it?

              This is from recent comments. Well, yes, the positive is gushing ...
              1. kalibr
                9 January 2021 08: 22
                -3
                Sergey, what positive can be in relation to stupid and stubborn? It's positive until you recognize the person. Clear? And as I found out, the rule is this: 26: 4. Do not answer a fool because of his foolishness, lest you become like him;
                26: 5. but answer to a fool by his stupidity so that he does not
                He became a wise man in his own eyes.
                (Book of proverbs)
            2. victor50
              victor50 11 January 2021 17: 47
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              Are you "completely" or are you pretending? "Creator" in the village and on a tractor? Are you laughing? He's all to do: plowed, drank, ate, had sexual intercourse, left behind a replacement for a tractor ... and died.

              It seems that you describe your ideals. And conceit !!! No one, of course, lived then, did not go to schools, including those almost in the countryside, does not know how they lived in the village, and how it is now. My neighbor is an Honored Worker of Agriculture of the Russian Federation, he also worked during the Soviet and Russian times. About the same age as Mr. Shpakovsky. He talked a lot about life then, and about schools then and ... And now there are no schools! And after the teachers, qualified machine operators left the village, and there remained ... many of those who live according to these described canons: glass, sex, etc. Well, to Mr. Vyacheslav .... Apparently, when he received his education, they put the ability to repaint. Everything was bad in the USSR, according to him. And he, being engaged in activities that are traditionally responsible for this "bad", does not feel his responsibility. He has something to do with - just adjusting, as now. laughing And about the set of photos. The approach to this reminded me of a photo of young girls dreaming of showing themselves, selling themselves, or simply following the fashion on the VKontakte network.
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 7 January 2021 06: 49
      +5
      Quote: Sayan
      its quality was several orders of magnitude higher than the modern one.

      Everything has changed since then. Family, society, school. We have all become different. A consumer society was created. A gray soulless mass in a beautiful wrapper and an iPhone in hand.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 7 January 2021 09: 06
        +6
        The main thing then was and today is to teach to work. It is important that citizens of high culture leave the school and are focused on work, and not on fraud, theft, gop-stop, etc. I completely agree that the current school in the general training of the person of the future has fallen sharply compared to the Soviet one. Unfortunately, the moral guidelines of upbringing and education have receded into the background - the school today is not responsible for this, but nods at the parents - that this is their task. But parents also need to work, and not only to deal with children. hi
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2021 09: 40
          -4
          Quote: bessmertniy
          But parents also need to work, and not only to deal with children.

          The wrong approach. Let's put it this way: NOBODY BUT US WHAT IT WOULD NOT COST! And "it is necessary to work" is an excuse. Who would raise my children for me. Everyone had to work ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 January 2021 13: 03
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            And "it is necessary to work" is an excuse. Who would raise my children for me. Everyone had to work ...

            Yeah, now they are directly offering to look for work where it is. A bunch of fathers work the watch. And what will mom teach the boy?
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2021 13: 35
              -3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And what will mom teach the boy?

              He will teach you a lot, but what do you think that only the father teaches? Mm-yes, a teacher from you ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 January 2021 13: 51
                +4
                Quote: kalibr
                He will teach you a lot, but what do you think that only the father teaches?

                Will he teach the bike to fix? Or add a book shelf to the wall? Oh well.
                1. kalibr
                  8 January 2021 11: 27
                  -4
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Will he teach the bike to fix? Or add a book shelf to the wall? Oh well.

                  This is not the main thing in life, Vladimir. But what I want from you, you do not have a higher pedagogical education. And if they had, they knew that up to 7 years old, boys are generally more attracted to their mother, and not to their father, and girls - to their father, on the contrary. And only from 10-12 years old the situation changes. It is from this elementary ignorance that many problems of our country arise. Making a baby is not a problem. The problem is how to educate him correctly. And they bring up ignoramuses like you. That's where everything comes from.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 12: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: kalibr
                    The problem is how to educate him correctly. And they bring up ignoramuses like you. That's where everything comes from.

                    It can be seen how your mother raised you. In my opinion, you haven't really done anything other than cardboard crafts.
                    1. kalibr
                      8 January 2021 12: 24
                      -2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      In my opinion, you haven't really done anything other than cardboard crafts.

                      You have a disgusting memory, Vladimir. You probably drink a lot of vodka. Remember nothing of the published. You and Dima "Reptiloid" should get over it. That one does not have a head, but a computer. Then they would have remembered that I have a lot of everything and not only from paper. There were even photos. But it seems to me that this will be the most interesting of all:

                      I have a lot of such waste paper, but here the word TECHNICAL is important. Not every engineer has one ...
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 12: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: kalibr
                        I have a lot of such waste paper,

                        That's exactly what the waste paper is. laughing
                      2. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 13: 00
                        -4
                        Can't you read? Everything is written there ... Once again, look at the word "Technical". Is it accessible to you, or do you see only paper and many incomprehensible words? You can't even dream of getting such "waste paper". Therefore, you are in a position to load bags, but, alas, not to come up with at least some fundamentally new technical device.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 14: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: kalibr
                        but to come up with at least some fundamentally new technical device, alas, no.

                        I did it, don't worry. By work, not by participating in a competition.
                      4. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 14: 21
                        -4
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        By work, not by participating in a competition.

                        You can say anything you want. The Soyuz rocket is also your development, isn't it? Only this is more difficult for anyone than at work. I have to compete with the best in the whole country. The competition was All-Union, this is not a blooper for you ... And this despite the fact that I did not have a technical education.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 15: 26
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        I have to compete with the best in the whole country.

                        The best theorists? Well, I'm a practitioner. Somehow they were making one product, and a technologist with a higher education gave us drawings of what we had done. On this sad story I will end the discussion.
                      6. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 15: 43
                        -3
                        Vladimir, I don’t understand in any way: are you so stupid in life or are you pretending? Which theorists? It is written in Russian: on the creation of technical means and teaching aids. Creation! Because teaching aids do not exist in theory. They are made, right? And only in the finished form, so that they can be held and evaluated, are sent to the competition. Or is it already beyond comprehension?
                        Then here: there is even stamped paper with a seal: https://topwar.ru/163174-tehnicheskoe-tvorchestvo-na-zheltyh-gazetnyh-stranicah.html
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 16: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Are you so dumb in life or are you pretending?

                        It is you who pretend all your life and do not understand that with your privileges, such as special clinics, the Union was ruined. In words, one thing, in practice - another.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Because teaching aids do not exist in theory. They are made, right? And only in the finished form, so that they can be held and evaluated, are sent to the competition.

                        Is this a tutorial?

                        Publishing houses of the 90th year? Something I do not remember, what you would write about a similar corner in your house. But I remember about an old watch that cost a lot of money.
                      8. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 16: 50
                        -4
                        Vladimir !!! Hey! Where are you? Where is the brain? At the bottom of the glass? Read what is written in GRAMOTE - technical teaching aids and visual aids. Is it really inaccessible to your understanding? The book is not a visual aid or a technical teaching tool. Has it come or not? Is it still Friday today? It’s too early to type so that even the printed text cannot be disassembled ... People who read our "conversation" burn out. Do you need to specifically describe what I presented for this competition? But there are difficult words, I'm afraid, I will completely confuse you, and you will send me a photo of the fun pipe in return ...
                      9. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 17: 03
                        +4
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Where is the brain? At the bottom of the glass?

                        You hesitated by your rudeness.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Is it still Friday today? It's too early to type so that you can't even parse the printed text ...

                        Let it be known to you that the weekend is from the first to the tenth.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        But there are difficult words, I'm afraid, I will completely confuse you, and you will send me a photo of the fun pipe in return ...

                        I will definitely send it. At least natural. At your expense. The most fragrant.
                      10. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 17: 13
                        -6
                        Obviously, the brain is missing. Okay. Maybe it's for the best. I always told my students that it was happiness, that “there are many like that,” that is, you have to work for 80%. At 20 you can, but it is difficult to make money on them. And since 80 ... you won't take much, of course. But there are a lot of them, and there are no problems with them!
                      11. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 17: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: kalibr
                        that is, it is necessary to work for the sake of 80%. At 20 you can, but it is difficult to make money on them.

                        And this written sack hesitated for a long time. Will you buy a pipe? If not, goodbye.
                      12. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 17: 23
                        -4
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Will you buy a pipe?

                        And why did you decide that I need some kind of pipe?
                  2. kalibr
                    8 January 2021 17: 15
                    -5
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Let it be known to you that the weekend is from the first to the tenth.

                    That is, you are in a state of continuous drinking? Got it, good explanation. We need to keep the budget filled!
                  3. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 8 January 2021 17: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: kalibr
                    That is, you are in a state of continuous drinking?

                    I am in a state of absolute sobriety. Because I'm tired of drinking for a long time. Bye, partaigenosse.
                  4. kalibr
                    8 January 2021 17: 30
                    -4
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    I am in a state of absolute sobriety. Because I'm tired of drinking for a long time. Bye, partaigenosse.

                    And then why don't you perceive the printed text from the word at all? You insert pictures from my book, although the book is in no way involved in the competitions of technical means ... Or is it from ignorance, that is, ignorance?
                  5. kalibr
                    8 January 2021 17: 34
                    -2
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Bye, partaigenosse.

                    Ay-ay, parteigenosse is in German "party comrade" or "party comrade". But I can not in any way be your party comrade, and even just a comrade too. Between us, as Louis de Funes said in The Great Walk, there will always be | ...
    3. victor50
      victor50 11 January 2021 17: 54
      0
      Quote: kalibr
      The competition was All-Union, this is not a blooper for you ... And this despite the fact that I did not have a technical education.

      Lord, you fell into childhood! In my opinion, this is obvious. Behave like a five year old in a sandbox.
  • victor50
    victor50 11 January 2021 17: 51
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    And they bring up ignoramuses like you. That's where everything comes from.

    Guru! Makarenko, Spock and others in one bottle! And also a lecturer of something there KPSS !! lol
  • Proton
    Proton 7 January 2021 06: 05
    +14
    If the author wants so much to glorify himself as a great teacher and parent, then he succeeded!
    Unfortunately, the article is more like a eulogy to myself and my family. I did not notice any real proposals.
    1. apro
      apro 7 January 2021 06: 29
      -7
      Quote: Proton
      eulogy to himself

      Disagree Proton ... just does. That he should. That he knows. That many can treat their duties formally. The author with his point of view. You can disagree .... yes.
      1. Proton
        Proton 7 January 2021 06: 52
        +12
        The topic is very serious and burning.
        In my opinion, it is necessary to treat it more academically and more deeply, try to find the reasons for the deterioration in the quality of education and try to give some ideas for correcting the situation. Unfortunately, I did not see all this.
        Tips like "Hire a tutor, you have to travel abroad", etc. cause confusion with their simplicity. Especially, I was personally struck by the phrases describing some children and parents - "K..z..ly, pri..yu..ki, Dunka and half-drunk Vanka." Whatever it was, but if the author allows himself such phrases, then one must be prepared for the fact that someone can call the author himself and his children (grandchildren) such words. These "Pri ... dk ... and, Vanka and Dun'ka" are also part of our society, maybe not the best and most progressive, but they are also people with their own problems and joys.
        Lots of cute pictures with children's crafts. Yes, I agree, many of them are interesting and informative. But then it is necessary to leave the article without trying for serious analytics, writing only about your experience.
        The author is trying to give out this most serious analytics on the basis of his personal achievements, forgetting about his mistakes and mistakes. And they, these mistakes, will certainly be in the upbringing of children.
        1. apro
          apro 7 January 2021 07: 02
          -9
          Quote: Proton
          find the reasons for the deterioration in the quality of education

          The reason is simple ... the demand and attitudes of society.
          Quote: Proton
          ",, Dunka and a half-drunk Vanka"

          Being determines consciousness .. nothing new. And if society cannot or does not want to change the situation ... then who can? Education we also have a mold of society. With all the shortcomings.
          Quote: Proton
          Tips like "Hire a tutor, you have to travel abroad", etc. are perplexing for their simplicity

          After the words of the lady ... do not cause.capitalism in all its glory.exposed by society ... and today it is a reality.a method of survival in this society ..
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 7 January 2021 07: 16
          -2
          Quote: Proton
          These "Pri ... dk ... and, Vanka and Dun'ka" are also part of our society, maybe not the best and progressive, but they are also people with their own problems and joys.

          The author does not even say that they are not part of society, it is about what they will teach their children.
          1. Proton
            Proton 7 January 2021 07: 27
            +17
            Often these "Vanek and Dunek" have quite normal children.
            I have many examples when very good people came out of dysfunctional families, and murderers and drug addicts from the families of academicians and folk artists.
            That was not what my message was about.
            And the fact that it is impossible for people to mindlessly hang labels, while also talking about serious things.
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2021 07: 38
              -8
              Quote: Proton
              Often these "Vanek and Dunek" have quite normal children.
              I have many examples when very good people came out of dysfunctional families, and murderers and drug addicts from the families of academicians and folk artists.

              For some reason, former citizens of the USSR love to cite exceptions as examples. But ... STATS are against them! Recently, a professor chopped a student for minced meat. What? Is this our tradition? No, dear, if a child under 3-5 years old has seen enough of "everyone" in a family, then he will be depraved and a thief! Ah, Makarenko corrected those. And how many such Makarenko were and are there? Forget the exceptions. Focus on the rule! And by the way, you have not answered my question why there are no more "clumpy articles" of my colleagues?
              1. Proton
                Proton 7 January 2021 07: 53
                +11
                About the lack of in-depth articles - contact your colleagues personally. I will not answer for people I do not know.
                1. kalibr
                  7 January 2021 07: 57
                  -6
                  Quote: Proton
                  I will not answer for people I do not know.

                  It's good that they answered that way. And I don't need to contact, I already know, that's why I asked. But why won't I write yet. Interestingly, someone else is dreaming up!
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 7 January 2021 08: 41
              0
              Quote: Proton
              Often these "Vanek and Dunek" have quite normal children.
              I have many examples when very good people came out of dysfunctional families, and murderers and drug addicts from the families of academicians and folk artists.

              It also happens, but it is in the family that the foundations are laid.
              Quote: kalibr
              For some reason, former citizens of the USSR love to cite exceptions as examples. But ... STATS are against them! Recently, a professor chopped a student for minced meat. What? Is this our tradition? No, dear, if a child under 3-5 years old has seen enough of "everyone" in a family, then he will be depraved and a thief!
        3. kalibr
          7 January 2021 07: 19
          -2
          Quote: Proton
          someone can call the author himself and his children (grandchildren) such words.

          "We will survive this trouble!"
          1. Proton
            Proton 7 January 2021 07: 40
            +6
            Vyacheslav, the fact that you treat these insults in this way commands respect.
            But many people are rightly upset about such "statements". I don't think that after such insults, these people will begin to rethink their lives and their behavior. But what is more embittered is for sure.
            I can't answer the question "Why don't they write", it's better to go directly to these very academicians.
            I remember the phrase of one smart person - "To write, as well as to write, when it is already unbearable" laughing
            Respectfully, do not take my criticism as an abandoned glove. hi
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2021 08: 00
              -1
              Quote: Proton
              I don't think that after such insults, these people will begin to rethink their lives and their behavior. But what is more embittered is for sure.

              And it is right. But there is a saying: the grave will fix the hunchback. It's not about correcting them, but creating conditions so that there are fewer and fewer of them! You +
        4. kalibr
          7 January 2021 07: 26
          -3
          Quote: Proton
          more academic and deeper,

          And what do you think, Eugene, why are there no articles of my colleagues from the department where he worked? There are doctors of sciences ... they look at the problems much more academically, and deeper, but they don't write, why?
        5. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 7 January 2021 09: 34
          +6
          Lots of cute pictures with children's crafts. Yes, I agree, many of them are interesting and informative.

          It was worth explaining that color photos of these crafts do not belong to 1977-80, especially since there were no pizza coasters then.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2021 09: 38
            -4
            Quote: Aviator_
            then there were no pizza stands

            Is it so important? There were no pizza boxes there was something else ...
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 7 January 2021 09: 40
              +3
              There were no pizza boxes there was something else ...

              There was no way to take a quick color photo, I mean that the photo must match the text.
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2021 09: 43
                -7
                Quote: Aviator_
                to ensure that the photo must match the text.

                Flea catching again. If only something to do with ... fight.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 7 January 2021 11: 01
                  +9
                  This is not flea catching, but the conformity of form and content.
    2. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 7 January 2021 09: 20
      -2
      The author of the article does not glorify himself as a great teacher, but illuminates the situation in yesterday's and current school. Well, he does not forget himself, his beloved. You need to love yourself, not some unknown stranger.

      If you do not like that Mr. Shpakovsky writes well about himself and not about you, then you write well about yourself.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 7 January 2021 06: 34
    +9
    There was really a problem with the foreign language, but the reasons here were not the absence of good teachers at that time, but rather for ideological reasons, the "iron curtain" and all that. Our class teacher in the first grade said that we will know mathematics and Russian, whether we like it or not. And the whole class (30 people) passed the exams for "5". I was lucky to study at one of the last schools built in the USSR. A huge beautiful building with marble and granite finishing, its own greenhouse for biology classes, its own stadium, a ski base, a car park for driving lessons for all categories is absolutely free. The school even had its own cinema on the second floor (!). And this is in an urban-type settlement for 7 thousand inhabitants. And now they are building some kind of dull squalor, sheathed with siding, in which everything begins to fall apart after a couple of years. You don't want to go there yourself, let alone lead the child.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 7 January 2021 07: 13
      +5
      Anything happened. And in our school, where I switched to grades 9-10, it was impossible to go to the toilets. The water was on the floor and the plumbing was not working almost completely. All 2 years. It was impossible to repair. And 3 shifts. Therefore, the floor was wiped. Neither paint nor tiles stick.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 7 January 2021 06: 51
    +3
    Dear author, your reasoning is correct, but fundamentally wrong. laughing HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL !!! Reading fairy tales to a child, he will listen to them, but why read? But if you read to your beloved wife or spouse, and your child wants to read a book to you, or to mom, because he loves you, and for this he wants to learn to read, then it will be great. Learn to play for yourself. for the soul, this is one thing. And learning to play professionally is a torment. As I remember these endless AEs. AU. IE, the child rehearsed on the button accordion, I wanted to break the button accordion. But I really fell in love with reading, and then I read at night, there was a lot of work to do. Yes, and I had cool toys, slingshots, crossbows, self-propelled guns, explosives, smoke, bows, etc.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 07: 16
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      you reason correctly, but fundamentally wrong.

      Class!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 7 January 2021 06: 59
    +2
    The author has given a lot of material for thought. Everything needs to be thought over. Thank you.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 January 2021 07: 26
    +7
    My son is a teacher. The problems of the school concern our family directly. I will not go over what was good and what became bad. You know, the best example-comparison is "The Story of Vlas, the Bummer and the Loafers" by Vladimir Mayakovsky:
    Children, don't be like Vlas!
    Joyfully take the book and go to class!
    Arm yourself with a textbook-book!
    From childhood, develop and move your brains!
    Remember about school - only with her
    You will become the builder of happy days!

    And we (I personally) knew this poem by heart, like Lermontov's "Borodino" from an early age (I - from six). They knew, studied, received an education and mastered a profession. BUT!!! The time has come when the children learned that it is possible to reach the "heights" in the most primitive way of kinship (there is no need to prove their professionalism). There is no need to develop brains, much more prospects open up with the ability to develop some body shapes and the ability to move the back or tongue. With all this, knowledge and education do not matter.
    This is the reason for this attitude to school. It has ceased to be a necessity.
    hi
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 07: 44
      -5
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It has ceased to be a necessity.

      And thank God, Yuri Vasilievich! Thank God that there is finally something that is not needed. People are different! My granddaughter also no longer needed school in the 8th grade. And some people don't need it at all. Was in the exam control commission. Which schools have always passed the results first? Gypsy! And again - thank God!
    2. kalibr
      7 January 2021 07: 47
      -7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Remember about school - only with her
      You will become the builder of happy days!

      But what if someone doesn't want to be a builder? It is easier for someone to fall on their back in time. So what? Is it bad? In Japan, rich people carry dolls in cars. We also have "dolls", only alive. Who likes what!
  • Yura
    Yura 7 January 2021 07: 27
    +2
    I will send a link to the article to my children, definitely. Three out of four grandchildren study with me, everything seems to be good, but there are problems with the teaching staff, you won't change schools one after another, this is a fact, the parents themselves have to work, too. How? They know a lot, but they do not know everything and do not always can (work, lack of time, sometimes too much confidence in the teaching system chosen by a particular teacher). The article has something to think about, there is experience, there is something to take into service.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 08: 02
      +3
      Yuri! I will be glad to help with something more specific ... Contact (personal at your service!)
      1. Yura
        Yura 7 January 2021 08: 18
        +1
        Thank you! Let's clarify specific points and seem to turn to you for advice.hi
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 7 January 2021 09: 09
    +8
    We must pay tribute to Soviet education. Scientists who received secondary and higher education in the USSR have invented so much that their developments are still being exploited by effective managers.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 10: 51
      -7
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Scientists who received secondary and higher education in the USSR have invented so much

      And there was also the Industrial Academy, which Khrushchev graduated from ...
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 7 January 2021 11: 31
        +5
        This is your personal dislike, nothing more.
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2021 11: 59
          -5
          Quote: 7,62x54
          This is your personal dislike, nothing more.

          No, my mother defended her dissertation in 1968 on the topic “Industrial Academy is the forge of“ red directors. ”And she told me how difficult it was not to distort the truth and ... not slip into denigration of the Soviet system. there was an audience and they taught it too ... specifically. I’m not going to see if it is digitized or not. Then we could recommend reading it. The language there is very simple.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 7 January 2021 09: 55
    +1
    Here I read articles about the delights of Soviet education and remember my own studies: In 1992 I entered the University of Chemistry. I set out to become "the second Mendeleev" in the eighth grade and immediately began to gnaw the granite of chemical science, since that granite turned out to be very pliable for me.
    Since, for various reasons, I was terribly afraid of failing at the introductory (that's for sure - make God pray ...) I taught as best I could, with all my might, and later, by the fifth year of the university it turned out that as a schoolboy I successfully completed the first year program - general chemistry, learned how to solve computational problems in analytical chemistry (second year), completed a course in physical and physical chemistry - third and fourth years, learned to solve computational problems in electrochemistry (third or fourth years).
    Moreover, without false modesty I will say that I knew the material at the level of teachers ...
    Why am I writing this? And here's what.
    When I was preparing, I drew attention to a strange circumstance: in order to quickly and INDEPENDENTLY understand the material, it was necessary to take textbooks from the 50s !!! in the extreme case of the BEGINNING 60s (as a rule - reprints of earlier textbooks).
    At the same time, in order to understand what was written in the textbooks of the 70s and, especially, the 80s, it was necessary to know the material very well ...
    Hence the question: how can you praise the education system if the bearers of that education were not able to write a simple and understandable textbook?
    Moreover, let us pay attention to the most important engineering achievements of the Soviet Union, the achievement of the level of manned space flight and we will see - those who achieved the corresponding victories either studied in the tsarist grammar schools and the tsarist universities, or from those who, in turn, studied in the tsarist grammar schools and tsarist universities.
    Thus, it turns out that the main Soviet engineering achievements are on the most powerful foundation of the educational system of the Russian Empire.
    At the same time, adherents of a purely Soviet education were unable to write a simple and understandable textbook !!!

    ... or am I wrong ???
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 10: 36
      -2
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      Thus, it turns out that the main Soviet engineering achievements are on the most powerful foundation of the educational system of the Russian Empire.
      At the same time, adherents of a purely Soviet education were unable to write a simple and understandable textbook !!!

      Of course they are right. You should have looked at the textbooks of the 30s ... And the magazines of the Tekhnika-Youth of the 40s with comics - how a machine gun, a grenade works ... it’s better not to come up with!
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 7 January 2021 11: 04
      +3
      Soviet education is different, depending on the leadership of the country at that time. You, too, compared Stalin's textbooks and Gorbachev's.
      1. kalibr
        7 January 2021 11: 55
        0
        Quote: Aviator_
        Stalin's textbooks and Gorbachev's.

        Stalin's textbooks were written by people who were educated in gymnasiums and universities under the tsar. The Gorbachevskys - written by authors who studied under Stalin and later.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 7 January 2021 12: 11
          +4
          Well, for complete happiness, we will return the estate, as under the tsar - and there will be a complete openwork in education! Olgovich as your allies. Only this education will not be popular.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2021 12: 20
            -3
            Quote: Aviator_
            Well, for complete happiness, we will return the estate, as under the king - and there will be a complete openwork in education!

            Why write something nonsense. The time is different. And the estate does not need to be returned. The strata have been and will be, and over time they only grow in number. Here we need to look at how to facilitate education for some and make it as high-quality as possible for others. And you can't row everyone with the same brush. This was not the case in the USSR either. There were also special schools in physics and mathematics and in language.
  • Million
    Million 7 January 2021 10: 00
    +11
    I started reading the article and immediately understood who its author was.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 10: 34
      -7
      Quote: Million
      I started reading the article and immediately understood who its author was.

      So what? You can not read at all, but immediately reduce the text to the very end. It says who the author is, it will save you time.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 January 2021 12: 24
        0
        It would be ideal if the author's name is at the beginning of the material, but, as far as I understand, the architecture of the resource does not allow this.
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2021 12: 27
          -6
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          It would be ideal if the author's name is at the beginning of the material, but, as far as I understand, the architecture of the resource does not allow this.

          Dear Anton! And you always want intrigue, at least a little. Is not it? Well, at least on little things ... You open it, read, you are too lazy to look at the end ... You think Ivanov ... I finished reading, and this is Sidorov! Well, you must !!! A little more endomorphins, adrenaline ... good!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 January 2021 12: 37
            -1
            I get the impression that for some of your "fans" this is not a "desire for intrigue", but mental masochism.
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2021 13: 37
              -6
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              I get the impression that for some of your "fans" this is not a "desire for intrigue", but mental masochism.

              Yes, no doubt about it. The ability to safely relieve stress. That is to say, to see with one's own eyes the "world evil" and to expose it. That is why authorship is impossible in the beginning.
            2. kalibr
              8 January 2021 09: 38
              -3
              Anton, and the funniest thing is% of smart and stupid commentators. And you and I have now collected almost 50% + -. And there should be 80 and 20. That is, from the point of view of the Pareto law, we now have the most difficult stage of development - "unstable equilibrium". And here the main thing is that the stupid do not break through to control! Let them write better in VO!
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 8 January 2021 09: 48
                +1
                I have already harvested a crop of minuses out of the blue.
                1. kalibr
                  8 January 2021 11: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  I have already harvested a crop of minuses out of the blue.

                  Well, that's okay, Anton. We are not in a sandbox where children rejoice at the drawn shoulder straps. As the saying goes, "in impotent rage ..." and further, as in "kin". But "the dogs bark, and the caravans go!"
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 8 January 2021 11: 41
                    -1
                    Yes, just, surprisingly, Vyacheslav Olegovich. My first comment is absolutely neutral, except thanks to you. However, "moramoev" collected, be-here. This begs the question: are people so stupid that they cannot distinguish gratitude from groveling, or is the name "Shpakovsky" so "septic" that any mention of it in a positive way causes epileptic convulsions in some characters?
                    1. kalibr
                      8 January 2021 11: 46
                      -2
                      And you see, Anton, how many comments are collected by articles about weapons and how many social ones? The idea is a military website, it should be the other way around. But ... "here you need to know", and "here I know everything myself." Here is the result. And then, Anton, we don't like successful people. Who do not whine that everything is bad (and this is one of the paternal traditions) ... So you get it along with me. And as for "groveling" -he-ha, anyone can be blamed for it, but not you.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 8 January 2021 11: 55
                        0
                        I told Skomorokhov in front of NG that there is an opinion among your "fans" that you or Smirnov pay me extra for positive comments addressed to you. Neighing.
                      2. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 12: 13
                        -1
                        And what does this mean? Only that these people themselves are inclined to such actions, there is simply nowhere to apply their "talents". They judge others by themselves. That's all! But the most interesting thing is that my rating is still growing, slowly, sometimes it sags. But overall, the dynamics are positive. And what does this mean? Only that negative reviews are written the same - which is already visible, and they put it -. But since there are thousands of readers, the balance is still not in their favor in the end. And in yours, and in mine!
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 8 January 2021 12: 33
                        0
                        Another thing amazes me. How are all these people with higher education (which, unfortunately, I do not have), who advocate "take everything and divide", cannot understand that during periods of social upheaval, the civilization infrastructure is destroyed first of all. Sirech, there will be no communication, electricity, heat and water. And they will shit in the cesspool. And the head will be busy with one question: how to feed the children today.
                      4. kalibr
                        8 January 2021 13: 08
                        0
                        The funniest thing, Anton, is that until you wrote about education, I didn't think you didn't have it. But many who boast of an excellent Soviet education do not have it 100%. People don't understand the elementary things. That is, there will always be pleasant exceptions, fortunately, from any rule.
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 8 January 2021 14: 19
                        +1
                        You know, I regret not the lack of a diploma (I have become a professional even without it), but the lack of a habit of systemic self-education (one and a half course in the law faculty does not count).
  • tatra
    tatra 7 January 2021 11: 01
    +8
    The article is completely meaningless, only in order to once again spit in the USSR. The enemies of the USSR proved that they are not capable of honestly, objectively, adequately discussing anything, therefore, in particular, in education, they will continue to produce generations of "mitrofanushki" who can only sit in "buy-sell" offices, who know English better language and foreign culture and history than the Russian language and Russian history and culture.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 January 2021 12: 32
    +5
    The comments illustrate very well the axiom that people's memories of their experiences acquire a romantic-nostalgic character over time.
    The experience of youth was experienced with a feeling of infinity of possibilities and inexhaustibility of young vitality, through the prism of the expectation that an infinitely bright, diverse and
    meaningful life.
    Time buries events selectively, leaving sharp the best memories of past experiences.
    In the same way, Soviet education in memoirs, although a scanty time has passed by historical standards, has turned into a kind of Aristophanian ideal "country of cloud cuckoos."
    This perception prevents an objective assessment of the education system, about which in 1959 the director of the CRS Congressional Research Service (US Congressional Research Service) Manders prepared a special report for the NATO Science Committee and in which he noted: "Western experts tend to envy the number and the quality of equipment in Soviet educational institutions. "
    The task for the Soviet education system was serious:
    "It is necessary ... to achieve such a cultural growth of society, which would provide all members of society with the full development of their physical and mental abilities, so that members of society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active leaders in social development." (The economic problems of socialism in the USSR I. Stalin).
    To what extent this setting was carried out in practice is a large and complex topic. Perhaps someone will take it up sometime.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 January 2021 12: 59
    +5
    Only now, it turns out that fields are not overgrown everywhere in Russia.
    And in fact, not all villages are now dying out!

    Calculate the ratio of extinct and surviving villages and villages - the balance will not be in your favor. Moreover, those villages, or rather their geographical names, which seem to have remained actually turned into summer cottages. The Moscow region is a vivid example of this.
    PS And for comparison, go to Nikolsk, your native Penza region. sad
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 13: 41
      -5
      Quote: Radikal
      Calculate the ratio of extinct and surviving villages and villages - the balance will not be in your favor. Moreover, those villages, or rather their geographical names, which seem to have remained actually turned into summer cottages. The Moscow region is a vivid example of this.
      PS And for comparison, go to Nikolsk, your native Penza region.

      Are you reading my materials on the subject of "the death of the peasant civilization"? This is how it should be, this is a natural phenomenon. Look at the map of England after fencing. Full of inscriptions: there was a village, and now a pasture. So it is with us! Only we were late with this ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 January 2021 13: 26
    +7
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: YOUR
    Why self-boast, write the truth

    So I wrote it. What I did, what I saw, what I know ... And what I didn't do I didn't write. When teachers from school 47 open this material, they will say that everything is so. And all the photos are from there, not from Mars. What other truth do you need?

    "Pravda" (not a newspaper) Yours is rotten. In your articles about Soviet education, you have never told about a single Soviet scientist or designer who was educated in the USSR, and most of them were from simple peasant or working families, this suggests that the availability, and then the demand for education then sharply differ from the current situation in education, and job opportunities for university graduates. But you prefer to delve into particulars, some atypical examples, leading the reader away from the main answer to the question when was education better - then, or now? sad
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 13: 48
      -8
      Quote: Radikal
      then, or now?

      And you cannot put the question so primitively. For that time - THEN. For the present - NOW. Who was educated then? Or peasants or yesterday's peasants! Who gets it today - the townspeople in the 2nd generation, and a small part of the peasants, but not those that used to be. Then the party needed a "builder of communism" who would unquestioningly believe. Now - a person who in any situation can find himself and provide for his family and children. Big difference. Correctly written books were needed then. Now the mobile phone allows you to check everything written, find the original source and come to your own conclusions. An unthinkable thing in the USSR.
    2. kalibr
      7 January 2021 13: 59
      -5
      Quote: Radikal
      In your articles about Soviet education, you have never told about a single Soviet scientist or designer who was educated in the USSR, and most of them were from simple peasant or working families

      Well, let's say the statistics do not confirm this. What biography do not take - either a commoner, or from the intelligentsia, from a plow ... I do not know such. The same Korolev was born in the family of a teacher of literature, Polikarpov in the family of a priest, Yakovlev in the family of an employee, Tupolev in the family of a notary, here Koshkin's father was engaged in small-scale trades, yes, and J. Ya. Kotin is in a Jewish family, that is, his ancestors were also hardly peasants. At Lebedev, the creator of Soviet rubber, his father taught literature, and then became a priest ... so the majority somehow does not come out.
      1. kalibr
        7 January 2021 14: 07
        -2
        Continue? Petropavlovsky is a well-known artilleryman -father of a regimental priest, Tikhomirov is the creator of the Gas-Dynamic Laboratory, in the noble family of a real state councilor, Ramzin, the creator of a direct-flow boiler, is in the family of teachers of the zemstvo school ... sat down. So the villagers do not dominate, although they do. And you can continue, but I'm tired of it. Maybe you will continue?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 January 2021 13: 49
    +6
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Radikal
    then, or now?

    And you cannot put the question so primitively. For that time - THEN. For the present - NOW. Who was educated then? Or peasants or yesterday's peasants! Who gets it today - the townspeople in the 2nd generation, and a small part of the peasants, but not those that used to be. Then the party needed a "builder of communism" who would unquestioningly believe. Now - a person who in any situation can find himself and provide for his family and children. Big difference. Correctly written books were needed then. Now the mobile phone allows you to check everything written, find the original source and come to your own conclusions. An unthinkable thing in the USSR.

    Sophistry pastor, sophistry ... lol
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 15: 08
      -9
      Yes, it is not for nothing that they say that an old dog is difficult to learn new tricks. And about the majority of scientists from the plow, you, therefore, will not continue?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 January 2021 15: 13
    +7
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Radikal
    In your articles about Soviet education, you have never told about a single Soviet scientist or designer who was educated in the USSR, and most of them were from simple peasant or working families

    Well, let's say the statistics do not confirm this. What biography do not take - either a commoner, or from the intelligentsia, from a plow ... I do not know such. The same Korolev was born in the family of a teacher of literature, Polikarpov in the family of a priest, Yakovlev in the family of an employee, Tupolev in the family of a notary, here Koshkin's father was engaged in small-scale trades, yes, and J. Ya. Kotin is in a Jewish family, that is, his ancestors were also hardly peasants. At Lebedev, the creator of Soviet rubber, his father taught literature, and then became a priest ... so the majority somehow does not come out.

    This is your "statistics", which is convenient for you, it "comes out" for you. But there are other surnames:
    Invincible Sergei Pavlovich
    Petrov Fyodor Fyodorovich
    Shavyrin Boris Ivanovich
    Kucherenko Nikolay Alekseevich
    Kalashnikov Mikhail Timofeevich
    Tokarev Fedor Vasilievich.
    These are my statistics, and if you set a goal, the list will continue, and I think it will outweigh yours. lol
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 19: 26
      -5
      Quote: Radikal
      and I think it will outweigh yours.

      It may well be, but mine is also not bad. And most importantly, you have all the gunsmiths alone. My aviators were creating something peaceful even for entertainment. In any case, there were enough of both. And if there are no "yours", then "mine" will be enough. You won't go far with one weapon, it's high time to learn how to make both high-quality cars and good plumbing.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 January 2021 15: 16
    +6
    Quote: kalibr
    Yes, it is not for nothing that they say that an old dog is difficult to learn new tricks.

    How are you so derogatory about yourself, somehow, just uncomfortable somehow. lol
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 19: 37
      -5
      Quote: Radikal
      How are you so derogatory about yourself, somehow, just uncomfortable somehow.

      Why are you so childish ... By the way, I just thought that it would be really interesting to see who is from and where? Won't you take it? It would be interesting to see%.
  • Status
    Status 7 January 2021 16: 41
    +11
    Here is in the author something "rotten". You start reading, everything is good, informative, informative, everything is in moderation and to the point. And then you gradually understand that I am being told some wrong things, generally wrong.
    He didn’t put triplets for anything, they say, English drivers and tractor drivers didn’t need English. I wouldn't! If you are faint-hearted from an early age, you don't even teach three ordinary simple guys from the village, and after 40 years pour mud on them, you would be ashamed!
    Because of such personalities, the Soviet Union collapsed, because of these opportunists
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2021 19: 28
      -7
      Quote: Stav
      Because of such personalities, the Soviet Union collapsed

      Exactly, and then on its ruins they are bastards, they made a comfortable life for themselves, and, most importantly, they do not want to share with you. Nail them!
    2. kalibr
      7 January 2021 19: 30
      -5
      Quote: Stav
      I wouldn't! If you are faint-hearted from an early age, you don't even teach three ordinary simple guys from the village, and after 40 years pour mud on them, you would be ashamed!

      Are you always so principled in life, or just sitting in front of the clave?
    3. kalibr
      7 January 2021 19: 32
      -5
      Quote: Stav
      that I am informed of some wrong things, generally wrong

      Let me now bring you the right thing: "Forward to the victory of communism, under the banner of proletarian internationalism!" Well, is that better? Better!
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 7 January 2021 21: 02
        0
        Let me now bring you the right thing: "Forward to the victory of communism, under the banner of proletarian internationalism!"

        In! And also "The teaching of Marx is omnipotent because it is true"! There are no former professional teachers of Marxism-Leninism.
        1. kalibr
          8 January 2021 09: 28
          -2
          Quote: Aviator_
          There are no former professional teachers of Marxism-Leninism.

          Of course it doesn't. Everything that we have done in life remains in us. It is important to use this with its proper benefit at the moment.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 8 January 2021 10: 37
            +3
            It's important to use it with due benefit at present.

            laughing
            1. kalibr
              8 January 2021 11: 16
              -1
              Quote: Aviator_
              It is important to use this with its proper benefit at the moment.

              That's it! Do not wait for someone to do, give, reward you for your patience. And take it yourself, with your labor, intelligence, hard work ...
    4. TsShVS
      TsShVS 7 January 2021 22: 47
      +3
      Exactly noticed! With a "rotten" citizen.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 January 2021 17: 36
    -3
    Quote: Stav
    not to teach even three ordinary ordinary guys from the village

    And what is the point in knowing the English language "three"? A three in English indicates that the individual knows, but not confidently, the alphabet, no more. And without practice, school-level knowledge of a foreign language dies very quickly. Any visitor to the site can test this for himself by trying to read and understand the text in the language he learned in school without a google translator.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 7 January 2021 19: 23
      +1
      I see that the C grade is minus. Have you tried reading?
      1. kalibr
        7 January 2021 19: 34
        -4
        Quote: Undecim
        I see that the C grade is minus. Have you tried reading?

        Even a cat doesn't like being poked at shit, and here you are in your own ignorance. It's even worse ...
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 7 January 2021 20: 08
          +1
          It's not even a question of language, as such. Lack of school motivation or the presence of school maladjustment is a serious problem, the foundations of which are laid even in preschool age, in the family. And the teacher's desire alone does not solve this problem.
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 8 January 2021 03: 24
      0
      What does a foreign language and teaching have to do with it? The student is taught to read and count in the first grade, then he learns himself, the teachers only help. And if a kinder does not want to study, then the teacher should not be blamed. Without practice and the native language is forgotten, N.N. Miklukho-Maclay spoke Russian with difficulty, after many years of travel.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 7 January 2021 22: 09
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Radikal
    How are you so derogatory about yourself, somehow, just uncomfortable somehow.

    Why are you so childish ... By the way, I just thought that it would be really interesting to see who is from and where? Won't you take it? It would be interesting to see%.

    Specify the question. sad
    1. kalibr
      8 January 2021 09: 32
      +1
      What to clarify something? I suggest that you do an interesting job: see "from which" which of our Soviet-era scientists came from. That is, "whose, serf, will you be?" That's all.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 January 2021 10: 19
    +3
    Quote: kalibr
    You should have looked at the textbooks of the 30s ... And the magazines of the Tekhnika-Youth of the 40s with comics - how a machine gun, a grenade works ... it's better not to think of it!


    Are you sneering, dear friend? laughing Are you kidding me? laughing And in vain !!! A thousand times in vain !!!
    Only a truly talented, educated and knowledgeable (in the sense of UNDERSTANDING) the essence of the process can explain this very process in a simple, human language. Explain so that anyone who does not know would understand.
    Textbooks of the 50s, that is, Stalin's, were written simply. To understand what was written, one did not need to master the grandiose mathematical apparatus - a full course of higher mathematics at the Faculty of Mathematics. It was not at all necessary to attach an interpreter-teacher to such a textbook ...
    The textbooks themselves DESCRIBED THE ESSENCE OF PROCESSES ON THE BASIS OF NATURAL HUMAN LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE !!! and only then, explaining the essence of what is happening, the authors CAREFULLY and GRADUALLY introduced the mathematical apparatus.
    And the authors of that time wrote in HUMAN LANGUAGE !!!
    Textbooks from the 70s, and even more so from the 80s, are a different matter ...
    I have a language of presentation - heavy, SCIENTIFIC !!! to understand what the author of that textbook writes, an interpreter-teacher is needed. Question: why is the textbook to which the teacher should be attached, otherwise - "you can't make out without half a liter" ???
    Worse, the authors of textbooks began to replace the logical explanation of the described processes exclusively with a mathematical apparatus !!! dead formulas !!!
    As a result, many studios, absolutely not understanding the essence of the process, began to look for the "correct mathematical formula" into which the initial data for the calculation could be squeezed.

    But such textbooks were often written by someone - a whole group of authors (!!!), someone reviewed and recommended ... And this someone had quite specific scientific degrees, titles, ranks ...
    Isn't this a disaster? Do not these signs indicate the degradation of the education system?

    ps I am convinced that the education system of the USSR has steadily degraded, but what is happening now ... the hair stands on end ...
    1. kalibr
      8 January 2021 11: 21
      -1
      And I didn’t sneer at all, but I agree with everything that you wrote! You yourself, you know, the author of 6 textbooks for higher education. That would be interesting at least about one of your opinions!
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 January 2021 11: 58
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    What to clarify something? I suggest that you do an interesting job: see "from which" which of our Soviet-era scientists came from. That is, "whose, serf, will you be?" That's all.

    Well, get busy, what's the question? sad Or do you want me to work for you? lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 January 2021 12: 07
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Aviator_
    There are no former professional teachers of Marxism-Leninism.

    Of course it doesn't. Everything that we have done in life remains in us. It is important to use this with its proper benefit at the moment.
    Cynical, but ... frankly. Congratulations - you have waited for that period of time when people who only pursue their own benefit rule. sad
    1. kalibr
      8 January 2021 14: 31
      -3
      Quote: Radikal
      You have waited for that period of time when people who only pursue their own benefit rule.

      Everyone's own benefit is ultimately the benefit of the whole country! Is it really incomprehensible? How many interesting things have you learned from my articles? The United States has lived on this principle all the time and ... where are they and where are we? Their budgets and ours, that of the country, that of the military ... So, as Dumas wrote: "Everything that is done by the bearer of these powers is done for the good of France (Russia in this case!) And in the interests of the state!"
  • BAI
    BAI 8 January 2021 14: 59
    +1
    I am convinced that in the fifth grade, in the lessons of the history of the Ancient World, you can work with your hands.

    There are many ways to teach history.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 January 2021 16: 06
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Radikal
    You have waited for that period of time when people who only pursue their own benefit rule.

    Everyone's own benefit is ultimately the benefit of the whole country! Is it really incomprehensible? How many interesting things have you learned from my articles? The United States has lived on this principle all the time and ... where are they and where are we? Their budgets and ours, that of the country, that of the military ... So, as Dumas wrote: "Everything that is done by the bearer of these powers is done for the good of France (Russia in this case!) And in the interests of the state!"

    Substitution of concepts, nothing more. Another example for me is the indulgence from Richelieu. wassat If our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, grandmothers and great-grandmothers thought so during the Great Patriotic War, where would we be now? sad
    1. kalibr
      9 January 2021 08: 17
      -4
      Quote: Radikal
      If only our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, grandmothers and great-grandmothers reasoned so

      And who told you that they reasoned? They didn't reason! They simply had no choice: either the front or the camp, or even execution. But here's what's strange: during the First World War (how badly the peasants lived!), But none of the soldiers of the Russian imperial army broke the oath and did not join the army to the Germans! And here (oh, how life has become more fun!) More than 1 million spit on the oath and went over to the side of the Germans, and generals and colonels, and even Heroes of the Soviet Union, and fought with their own ... Why would such a difference? And how many would like to go, just no chance presented itself!
  • Radikal
    Radikal 8 January 2021 16: 09
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    Quote: Radikal
    You have waited for that period of time when people who only pursue their own benefit rule.

    Is it really incomprehensible? How many interesting things have you learned from my articles?
    Do not flatter yourself - I am familiarizing myself with your articles not for educational purposes ... lol
    1. kalibr
      9 January 2021 08: 18
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      Quote: Radikal
      I am getting to know your articles not for educational purposes ..

      And the book "Ivan's Life" was read in the article on my advice!
  • Type 63
    Type 63 8 January 2021 18: 46
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    Judging by the indignant cries of the villagers - the article is necessary
    1. kalibr
      9 January 2021 08: 19
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      Quote: Type 63
      Judging by the indignant cries of the villagers - the article is necessary

      Exactly!
  • Radikal
    Radikal 9 January 2021 11: 27
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    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Radikal
    I am getting to know your articles not for educational purposes ..

    And the book "Ivan's Life" was read in the article on my advice!

    What did you get? belay You confused me with someone, my dear. lol
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 9 January 2021 16: 46
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    I still don't understand what the article is about ... About your native village and its school? The movement of young historians - reenactors? Cultural and mass events in Shpakovsky's native school and their impact on the development of children in the Soviet - post-Soviet period? Actually IMHO about the school, a little ... Has education become better in comparison with the Soviet period? Definitely worse. Has the school done better? Definitely worse. All the same problems of the Soviet period remained and only got worse. Everything was flooded with reports, everywhere "eyewash". They carried out the stupidest "optimization", this is when the schools were "enlarged", for example from two schools in the district they made "one". Some history textbooks (for example) cannot be read without pain ... There was a subject - the Russian language, and another one - "Native Russian" was added to it. Now there are two options for the subject. The teachers still laugh. Do I have an education? Higher pedagogical. Am I teaching? Yes. Could it be even worse with education and school? Yes maybe. Better? A question to the country's leadership ... Personally, I get the impression that someone (here you decide who benefits from it) is not interested in an intelligent and well-educated population of the country.