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"In accordance with the sanctions": the Norwegian company refused to certify the "Nord Stream - 2"

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"In accordance with the sanctions": the Norwegian company refused to certify the "Nord Stream - 2"

The Nord Stream 2 under construction may be left without the certification of conformity required to start its operation. The Norwegian organization Det Norske Veritas (DNV) GL has announced its refusal to certify the Russian gas pipeline.


The organization explained that the reason for the denial of certification is the new US sanctions introduced as part of the US defense budget for 2021. Issuance of the document is possible only after their withdrawal.

DNV GL will cease all inspection activities of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline system in accordance with the sanctions and for as long as these sanctions remain in effect. We are implementing a plan to end our project support

- said in a statement to the company.

It is noted that the Norwegian organization has been a partner of the operating Nord Stream gas pipeline since 2012 and annually certifies it. Until recently, it was also a partner of Nord Stream 2.

Meanwhile, an expert at the Financial University under the government, Igor Yushkov, said that it is not worth relying on European companies in the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project, they will comply with all US requirements, fearing to come under sanctions. He proposed to solve the problem of gas pipeline certification by involving a Russian company in certification. In his opinion, such a decision will suit both Russia and Europe, since there are no restrictions on certification in the EU.

There are no such restrictions on the part of the European Union: they do not prohibit anyone from certifying anything. I think that the question will be most likely discussed when a Russian company receives all the necessary licenses and documents, that it is capable of certifying such projects, such as Nord Stream 2, and it is she who issues the certificates

- said the expert.

Earlier in Berlin, they reaffirmed their commitment to complete the construction of the pipeline, despite the US sanctions imposed as part of the new US defense budget.
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  1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 January 2021 07: 45
    0
    And this is what is missing ???? request
    1. Dmitry Potapov
      Dmitry Potapov 3 January 2021 08: 05
      +22
      Eggs zalezisty!
      1. Sibguest
        Sibguest 3 January 2021 08: 27
        +2
        Dmitry, they (the Norwegians) just lack eggs - they exchanged them for American green killed raccoons.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 3 January 2021 08: 33
          +26
          them (Norwegians)
          Do you remember how the Kremlin gave Norway a part of the Barents Sea larger in area than the Crimea? ..
          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha 3 January 2021 09: 18
            +6
            Who is talking about what.
            Norway ... the organization explained that the reason for the denial of certification is the new US sanctions introduced as part of the US defense budget for 2021. ...

            The Norwegians themselves then see what this phrase looks like.
            I propose to rename Norway to Submattress on the maps. laughing
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 3 January 2021 11: 09
              -3
              Do the minusors have any arguments? Or is it Norwegians laughing
              How can a Country, an independent state, for a second, follow, attention
              American sanctions, introduced as part of the US defense budget for 2021

              It sounds!
              And what can be said about the government of this "country"
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 3 January 2021 12: 01
                +9
                Explain to you again why the defense budget? Rummage in the previous branches, where people explain it clearly.
                Honestly, I already got this cry of Yaroslavna on SP-2. It's time to forget about him and not tear your heart. Because alas and ah.
                In principle, no one forbids Russia in the Kremlin to slap a stamp on some piece of paper and declare it a certificate and insurance at the same time. There are precedents. One character has already said: "Do you see the signature" Minister of Finance Popandopulo "? Take it, take it! I'll draw myself some more." Or to establish in the city of Uryupinsk the company "Horns and Hooves" and reward it with the rights of international certification.
                But there is a problem.
                There are about a dozen international companies in the world that have a license and the right to certify such a technically and technologically complex and extremely hazardous construction in the ecological plane as SP-2. And none of them will get under US sanctions. None. For this will mean an instant collapse of both the reputation and the company as such. And no amount of money from the conditional Gazprom will reverse this situation. For as soon as, for example, a certificate for the operation of the pipe is issued, the initiation of an independent journalistic and then criminal investigation is not ruled out.
                But that's not all.
                We like to mention foreign companies that have already invested their money in the project. And we affirm that they will not want to lose them. Is there anything more they don't want to lose? It is not even a matter of financial reputation if a confrontation with the United States arises. Let's assume for a moment that Fortuna and Chersky will finish building the pipe. Vessels, whose personnel qualifications and experience, as well as technical capabilities, are highly questionable even in the eyes of these very foreign partners. What's next?
                And then the pipe must be certified by a reputable international company capable of issuing a legal certificate of conformity. Those. obtain a permit for the operation of the facility (including ground compressor stations) and its regular maintenance. Plus insurance. Now it turns out that none of this will happen. So which foreign partner would insist on finishing construction today if it doesn't make sense? Who will take on all further responsibility? How can the risks to human life, property and the environment be minimized today? How to secure yourself legally in the future? Without a proper certificate? Without insurance? No way.
                However, the fate of the stream seems to have been decided. Russia will not be able to start work in Danish waters, because the inspection of the gas pipeline is mandatory on its Danish section (this is no longer German shallow waters), and there will be none.
                The prospects are bleak. The sanctions prohibit the assessment of insurance risks, insurance or reinsurance that are necessary to complete such a project. Further, it is prohibited to provide services, facilities and premises for technological modernization or installation of welding equipment for pipe-laying ships.
                With that, okay. This can still be somehow circumvented by making another fit with the ears. But what about the last limitation? Which prohibits companies from providing pipeline testing, inspection or certification services?
                Mr. Yushkov had illusory hopes for DNV GL. Alas, yesterday the company said its clear and categorical "no!"
                Sailed ...
                1. Mitroha
                  Mitroha 3 January 2021 12: 06
                  -6
                  To the defense budget of ANOTHER country ... Imagine your country follows the budget of another country ...
                  Respected, go to hell. You were like that over the past few years ... Oh, I forgot to mention, the Crimean bridge is also impossible to build
                  1. Cosm22
                    Cosm22 3 January 2021 12: 46
                    +2
                    The arguments are clear. They are not, judging by the fact that we descend to rudeness.
                    But is it possible still closer to the topic? Without Crimean bridges and lunar bases?
                    Let me remind you that this is about the construction of the SP-2. Is there something to say about Temko? Specific, without mentioning another country's defense budget? About flow prospects? About legal nuances?
                    There is nothing? Then why bother to interfere with the conversation? It should be kept to the point.
                    1. Mitroha
                      Mitroha 3 January 2021 12: 48
                      -14%
                      Do I need to talk to a bot with arguments? Where to go I wrote in the previous post
                      1. Cosm22
                        Cosm22 3 January 2021 12: 54
                        +2
                        Uh. sir, yes you do not even understand the meaning of the term "bot". Indeed, it is time to end the conversation with you. Not my level.
                        And what is a bot, try to find out from Google at your leisure.
                      2. military_cat
                        military_cat 3 January 2021 14: 50
                        +2
                        There are no such restrictions on the part of the European Union: they do not prohibit anyone from certifying anything.
                        I don't think it works like that. If the certificate can be issued by any "horns and hooves" company, such certification obviously does not make sense.
                      3. Mitroha
                        Mitroha 3 January 2021 16: 02
                        -2
                        At my age, I have already formed an idea of ​​who and what, go to Google yourself. The bot knows the word "sir". So after all, the "gracious sir" will live laughing
                        Do you have something to say, except for everything and training manuals?
                      4. krot
                        krot 4 January 2021 08: 34
                        0
                        In my opinion, the time has come to announce a 2-year modernization of our GTS, which is approaching the ruin, with the complete disconnection of the Sumerians from our network. And then a three-year modernization will come out. And then the European "colleagues" will be more agreeable!
                    2. Mitroha
                      Mitroha 3 January 2021 14: 35
                      -3
                      Lexus and his jerks pulled up? Juggle, sorry or something
              2. poquello
                poquello 3 January 2021 12: 42
                0
                Quote: Cosm22
                Explain to you again why the defense budget?

                gee gee), thanks to the US defense budget, several reputable international companies on the pipeline theme will appear in Russia at once, unless of course the Chinese intercept this stream
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 3 January 2021 20: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: poquello
                  gee gee), thanks to the US defense budget, several reputable international companies on the pipeline theme will appear in Russia at once
                  The indisputability of their international authority can be consolidated by introducing an appropriate amendment to the Constitution.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 3 January 2021 20: 28
                    -1
                    Quote: military_cat
                    Quote: poquello
                    gee gee), thanks to the US defense budget, several reputable international companies on the pipeline theme will appear in Russia at once
                    The indisputability of their international authority can be consolidated by introducing an appropriate amendment to the Constitution.

                    possible, but enough interest of the parties to the project
              3. ccsr
                ccsr 3 January 2021 14: 55
                +4
                Quote: Cosm22
                In principle, no one forbids Russia in the Kremlin to slap a stamp on some piece of paper and declare it a certificate and insurance at the same time. There are precedents. One character already said: "see the signature" Minister of Finance Popandopulo "?

                In principle, no one will prevent Western countries from recognizing this piece of paper as a legal document, especially since thanks to it, they will receive cheap gas from Russia for their loved ones. They also went for the recognition of Kosovo, for example, despite the fact that many countries do not recognize this.

                Quote: Cosm22
                There are about a dozen international companies licensed in the world

                From whom the license - you do not distort, because "international licenses do not exist", there are only national, and associations into which such companies are united. So a Russian company does not need to obtain an "international license," but it can enter the pool of such companies in a completely different way, perhaps not through a door, but through a window.

                Quote: Cosm22
                And then the pipe must be certified by a reputable international company capable of issuing a legal certificate of conformity. Those. obtain a permit for the operation of the facility (including ground compressor stations) and its regular maintenance. Plus insurance. Now it turns out that none of this will happen.

                Your speculation has nothing to do with reality, because to listen to you, none of our aircraft or helicopters will be able to fly, because the West has imposed sanctions on our aircraft building corporations. In fact, even China is already planning to buy our civil aircraft, although they have not yet received all the documents.
                The same will happen with the gas pipeline, but you personally would not like this, so you fantasize about the impossibility of its existence.

                Quote: Cosm22
                Let's assume for a moment that Fortuna and Chersky will finish building the pipe. Vessels, the qualifications of the personnel and the experience of which, as well as the technical capabilities, are highly questionable even in the eyes of these very foreign partners. What's next?

                Well, no need to fantasize - qualified specialists work on our ships, starting with the captains, and they all have diplomas that are internationally recognized, otherwise they would not have been taken on the ship. With what joy do you not recognize their qualifications?
                Quote: Cosm22
                However, the fate of the stream seems to have been decided. Russia will not be able to start work in Danish waters, because the inspection of the gas pipeline is mandatory on its Danish section (this is no longer German shallow waters), and there will be none.

                Bypass will be allowed, which will lead to a rise in the cost of construction, and no more. What other problems can you think of?
                Quote: Cosm22
                With that, okay. This can still be somehow circumvented by making another fit with the ears. But what about the last limitation? Which prohibits companies from providing pipeline testing, inspection or certification services?

                Domestic companies or Chinese prohibits? Specify more precisely to begin with, to understand how this will stop construction.
                Quote: Cosm22
                Mr. Yushkov had illusory hopes for DNV GL. Alas, yesterday the company said its clear and categorical "no!"
                Sailed ...

                Actually, this is not the head of Gazprom, and he is hardly aware of what negotiations we are conducting with the interested parties, because such negotiations are kept secret.
                But if the Americans push hard, then we can help the blacks of America in their just demands to kiss their feet by the descendants of the white colonialists. We have experience in helping GCD Africa since Soviet times.
                1. IL38
                  IL38 3 January 2021 17: 10
                  +1
                  So you are not only a specialist in "indicating the exact coordinates of an aircraft carrier in reconnaissance reports," but also in international legal peculiarities.
                  "A giant of thought ... the father of Russian democracy")))
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 4 January 2021 11: 08
                    +4
                    Quote: IL38
                    So you are not only a specialist in "specifying the exact coordinates of an aircraft carrier in reconnaissance reports"

                    I bet that you haven't seen a single reconnaissance report of the naval RU, and even more so, you did not participate in its compilation.
                    Quote: IL38
                    and also in international legal peculiarities.

                    You see, "expert", not everything like you were from the plow in the army, some had to sort out similar issues, so due to their official duties they had to study legal issues. So some questions are clear to me, unlike you.
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                    2. ccsr
                      ccsr 4 January 2021 13: 06
                      +4
                      Quote: IL38
                      I wrote combat orders to the submarine commanders

                      So this is not the Naval Intelligence Service. Do not fill yourself with verbiage.
                      Quote: IL38
                      https://valcat-8.livejournal.com/

                      So you are only from the naval aviation, but ambition ...
                      Quote: IL38
                      I hate to offend you, but you are just a cheap clown.

                      You see the verbiage, I already understood that you had nothing to do with the reconnaissance of the fleet level, but you learned to talk well. That is why I immediately realized that you had nothing to do with the compilation of intelligence reports of the naval RU, and that you do not know exactly what was reflected there, unlike me. But you can puff out your cheeks further, since you like to pose so much.
                  2. IL38
                    IL38 4 January 2021 13: 05
                    -5
                    I wrote combat orders to the commanders of the nuclear submarine)))
                    You have a memory like a fish for 3 seconds.
                    We communicated and repeatedly.
                    https://valcat-8.livejournal.com/
                    http://samlib.ru/editors/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/
                    I hate to offend you, but you are just a cheap clown.
                  3. ccsr
                    ccsr 4 January 2021 13: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: IL38
                    I hate to offend you, but you are just a cheap clown.

                    Nick, then why changed, "scout" from the independent?
                    By the way, what I wrote earlier, you have not refuted - can you now prove what they had to do with the intelligence of the fleet, being in positions not related to reconnaissance VUS?
                  4. IL38
                    IL38 4 January 2021 13: 41
                    -7
                    Clown, free.
                    From now on, your nickname on the forum is "Clown". Remember )))
                  5. ccsr
                    ccsr 4 January 2021 13: 43
                    +5
                    Quote: IL38
                    Clown, free.
                    From now on, your nickname on the forum is "Clown". Remember

                    Merged, verbiage, and how here the tail pushed, and posed as a scout ...
                  6. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 5 January 2021 21: 08
                    +1
                    This is Semyonov, he has already been banned a hundred pizzas here a hundred times, he is on a new regizzo and again carries nonsense.
                  7. ccsr
                    ccsr 6 January 2021 10: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    This is Semyonov, he has already been banned a hundred pizzas here a hundred times, he is on a new regizzo and again carries nonsense.

                    Is this some kind of "legendary" personality of this forum or just from the category of "urban madman"? It is interesting under how many nicknames he registered here, since he will be recognized immediately.
                  8. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 6 January 2021 12: 05
                    +1
                    City madman (Val90, and so on, he regularly registers here with a new one) and part-time orthodox Bandera now. In Soviet times, the navigator of the Il-38 in Kamchatka, then he served in the headquarters of the KVF, and now the roof dripped and turned to evil.
                    Here is his page: http://samlib.ru/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/
            2. ul_vitalii
              ul_vitalii 4 January 2021 14: 52
              +4
              Quote: IL38
              Clown, free.
              From now on, your nickname on the forum is "Clown". Remember )))

              And I will remember you from under the stigma. smile
  2. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 03: 10
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    our ships employ qualified specialists, starting with captains,

    Gee-gee ... laughing
    And so we begin to list.

    1) Out of 149 (one hundred forty-nine) Sovcomflot vessels, only 21 vessels sail under the Russian flag, the rest are registered under the so-called flags of convenience: Liberia - 115, Cyprus - 11 and Singapore - 2. If with Cyprus and Singapore everything is clear, but I'm sure the reader will be very interested to learn about registration under the flag of Liberia. If you believe that the Liberian registry is located in African Monrovia, then you are greatly mistaken, since it is located in the city of New York, USA, at:

    99 Park Avenue, Suite 1830

    New York, New York 10016-1601 USA

    Phone: + 1 212 697 3434

    Fax: + + 1 212 697 5655

    Email: [email protected]

    https://balt-lloyd.ru/sudohodstvo/sudohodnaja-kompanija-sovkomflot.htmal
  3. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 03: 29
    +1
    I will also add that Sovcomflot is a fully state-owned company. One hundred percent.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 4 January 2021 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      I will also add that Sovcomflot is a fully state-owned company. One hundred percent.

      What does the flag of a ship have to do with the construction of a gas pipeline if the contract is concluded not with the ship, but with the ship owner?
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Gee-gee ...

      In vain you will be swept away, showing your inadequacy - many domestic pilots fly on foreign airplanes in Aeroflot and other airlines of the world, and it would never occur to anyone not to trust them with the lives of passengers, just on the basis of the fact that they studied at our flight schools.
      With what joy, then, not to trust the command staff of the pipelayer to lay the gas pipeline, even if they are all Russian citizens?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 11: 05
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        With what joy, then, not to trust the command staff of the pipelayer to lay the gas pipeline, even if they are all Russian citizens?

        With such that even a state company does not trust the Russian flag. With all that it implies. Fas this fact is not surprising? It's strange.
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 3 January 2021 16: 03
    +1
    there were ghostly hopes for DNV GL


    A company could always be bought and carried out a completely normal certification process, using its competencies and property, then reoriented to work on the domestic market or sold. Yes, this is completely different money than, for example, if you just buy packs of special ships and special equipment.
    The bottom line is that there are foreign owners, in addition to the Germans, who will not sell their shares purely administratively, non-market. These owners are hidden in the group of group of companies, which includes the discussed one.
    After the transaction was approved by the antimonopoly authorities of Norway, the EU, the USA, South Korea and the PRC, the combined company - DNV GL Group AS - was registered on September 12, 2013. The country of registration of the combined company is Norway, the headquarters of DNV GL Group is located in the suburb of Oslo, Hövik. The parent company of the DNV GL group is DNV GL AS, also registered in Norway (formerly Det Norske Veritas AS).
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 3 January 2021 16: 33
    +1
    There are about a dozen international companies in the world that have a license and the right to certify such a technically and technologically complex and extremely hazardous construction in the ecological plane as SP-2.

    Vladimir! Do not escalate the situation.
    Are you ready to admit a borscht that isn't ready yet? And to issue a conclusion that it will turn out "like Baba Katya"?
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 3 January 2021 19: 34
    +2
    Quote: Cosm22
    Sailed ...

    It so happens that the elimination of states from the political arena (or from the map of the earth) is indispensable. hi
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 3 January 2021 21: 16
    +5
    Quote: Cosm22
    Let's assume for a moment that Fortuna and Chersky will finish building the pipe. Vessels, the qualifications of the personnel and the experience of which, as well as the technical capabilities, are highly questionable even in the eyes of these very foreign partners.

    Show, liar, doubts of partners in qualifications, experience, etc.
    .
    And at the same time, examples of poor quality work of Fortuna and Chersky
    Quote: Cosm22
    And then the pipe must be certified by a reputable international company capable of issuing a legal certificate of conformity.

    "what is" authority "," law "is in whose eyes?

    Europe does NOT prohibit certification by a Russian company

    And all the "risks", of course, will be insured at the highest level
    Quote: Cosm22
    Who will take on all further responsibility? How can the risks to human life, property and the environment be minimized today? How to secure yourself legally in the future? Without a proper certificate? Without insurance? No way.

    See above: all will take and cover (can take) RUSSIAN companies - with the proper certificate. And there is insurance

    Nothing supernatural to check, which Russia does not know and cannot do, having huge gas pipelines and experience in operating them- Norwegians do not know how. Moreover, Russia has a hundred times more such experience.
    The same goes for insurance.

    The question is exclusively to Europe and, first of all, to Germany: will it recognize the Russian certificate and insurance, will it bend.

    And the quality and risks will be respected and covered.
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 4 January 2021 01: 13
    0
    Quote: Cosm22
    Sailed ...

    yes on a drum ... the country has crumbs of profit, and the costs are at its expense ... on fines from the traffic police, the country received 13 yards per year ... and from the gas pipeline? lol
  • t-12
    t-12 4 January 2021 20: 24
    0
    Inspection and certification can be done by Gazprom itself. Any engineer will write a piece of paper "everything is fine, there are no risks" in a couple of days. If the Germans really need gas, they will accept the paper without question. If gas is not really needed, then nothing can be done about it. The Russian Federation has done its job, and then let Germany decide.
  • major147
    major147 4 January 2021 22: 10
    +1
    Quote: Cosm22
    Let's assume for a moment that Fortuna and Chersky will finish building the pipe. Vessels, the qualifications of the personnel and the experience of which, as well as the technical capabilities, are highly questionable even in the eyes of these very foreign partners. What's next?
    And then the pipe must be certified by a reputable international company capable of issuing a legal certificate of conformity. Those. obtain a permit for the operation of the facility (including ground compressor stations) and its regular maintenance. Plus insurance. Now it turns out that none of this will happen.

    According to information from circles close to Gazprom:
    "The main news in recent days (which is not really news) is the final complete refusal of DNV GL to work on the project.
    In fact, the Norwegians warned NS-2 AG two months ago that they would do so the day after the final adoption of the relevant legislation in the United States.
    The builders were ready for this turn of events. What do you think Akademik Chersky has been doing near Kaliningrad for the last two months? That's right - he was laying a pipeline identical to Nord Stream 2. And for what ?
    First of all, he helped a Russian company - a home Gazprom certifier - to gain practical experience to obtain the appropriate licenses from the European Commission.
    Well, I also trained, of course, while simultaneously improving the process.
    Do not forget that for Russia, the complexity and importance of laying such pipelines is akin to organizing a flight to the moon or creating an atomic bomb in the forties. This has never been done in the USSR, let alone in Russia. "
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 4 January 2021 23: 42
    -1
    Apparently you don’t know the EU legislation, or you don’t need it?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 3 January 2021 12: 02
    -2
    Quote: Mitroha
    How can a Country, an independent state, for a second, follow, attention

    Come on, remember the vote at the UN on some issues, and then you will see that many countries are dancing to the tune of the United States, so Norway is no exception.
    Yes, and we "helped" some people to vote so that they support the recognition of Crimea - so there is no need to panic about this, because this is a common occurrence.
    As for Norway's refusal to certify, it is good for us - the money for this work will go to our companies, as the expert said, and for this it was necessary to end cooperation with them even earlier.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 3 January 2021 12: 14
      -2
      Who's panicking? My family and my country are dear to me, but to Norway it is violet.
      We discuss and share OUR opinions, right?
    2. Grits
      Grits 3 January 2021 13: 50
      +3
      Quote: ccsr
      As for Norway's refusal to certify, it is good for us - the money for this work will go to our companies, as the expert said, and for this it was necessary to end cooperation with them even earlier.

      It was necessary not to start cooperation with them at all. And to develop pipelines and gasification in their own country. And all the money would only go to our companies. Yes, and the population would say thank you, and not the material Gazprom on what the light is. But Gazprom's eyes are in charge - dollars shine in their eyes. Almost free - after all, the national property is sold abroad. Serves the grabbers right. Notably, our "partners" put Gazprom in a pose with a grin. Moreover, they waited until the construction was almost finished, and then - chick - and you can leave it to rust. It is too early for our bourgeoisie to compete in cunning with the Western bourgeois - they have more such experience than ours.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 3 January 2021 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: Gritsa
        It was necessary not to start cooperation with them at all.

        It's a pity Brezhnev didn't listen to you, otherwise the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline would not have brought us any profit.
        Quote: Gritsa
        Yes, and the population would say thank you, and not the material Gazprom on what the light is.

        Yes, they can curse with us about and without reason, only they don’t curse themselves that in 1991 they abandoned the CPSU and socialism, and now they whine that the capitalists did not take care of them.
        Quote: Gritsa
        Notably, our "partners" put Gazprom in a pose with a grin.

        This happens before the first severe frosts, and then for some reason they ask to increase gas pumping to their countries.
        Quote: Gritsa
        Moreover, they waited until the construction was almost finished, and then - chick - and you can leave it to rust.

        Dream, but the SP-2 gas pipeline will still be put into operation, albeit with a delay.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 January 2021 12: 07
    0
    Quote: Mitroha
    It sounds!
    And what can be said about the government of this "country"

    The same as about any European country. All vassals bow to the overlord.
  • raw174
    raw174 3 January 2021 20: 11
    +1
    Quote: Mitroha
    It sounds!
    And what can be said about the government of this "country"

    What does the government have to do with it? What does their independence have to do with it when it comes to their interests and money? It seems that it is more profitable for them to lose Russia than the United States. Just business.
  • Borisych1973
    Borisych1973 3 January 2021 12: 26
    +10
    Rename the Russian Sberbank, or any of the Russian mobile operators, to Podmatrasiya, for fear of American sanctions, for example, they do not work in Crimea. So what do you want from Western companies if native Russian ones are all litter? Yes, and Happy Independence Day to you, although it is not coming soon.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 3 January 2021 12: 42
      -8
      You don't seem to understand, companies are understandable, private capital and all that, and especially those working all over the world. And Norway is not a damn company, until today it was considered a state. Independent, as they themselves thought. Do you understand the difference, or explain to you?
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 3 January 2021 21: 23
        +3
        There is no Sberbank in Crimea, is Russia an independent country?
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 3 January 2021 12: 34
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    Remember how the Kremlin gave Norway

    laughing laughing laughing And here he is, the king of cycloids, who came in the new year with an old hat. fellow
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 3 January 2021 13: 12
      -8
      Quote: Paranoid50
      Quote: Gardamir
      Remember how the Kremlin gave Norway

      Well, here I was, dear ... yes However, the administration, at least. Yes, gardamirische, in an oppa-frenzy, he did not notice how he finished the spread of deliberately false information on the network.
      The only thing that can be saved is the screen of the "donation" presented here immediately, in which it would be said in plain text that the Russian Federation GIVES, and Norway ACCEPTS in the GIFT any territories (waters). I could ... If I could ... laughing
      Oil painting: Gardamir as the face of the Russian opposition. wassat
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 3 January 2021 17: 06
        +1
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Well, that's butted, hearty ... However, administrative, at least.

        11th August. “This morning, a vaccine against a new coronavirus infection has been registered for the first time in the world,” the president said. "September 9. / TASS /. The third phase of clinical trials of a vaccine against the new coronavirus" Sputnik V "will start in Russia on September 9, Russian Minister of Health Mikhail Murashko said on Wednesday.
        "NEW YORK, July 28. / TASS /. The Food and Drug Administration of the US Department of Health has given permission to begin the third phase of clinical trials of a vaccine against coronavirus," And who is our chatterbox?
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 3 January 2021 15: 00
    +1
    That shob that donor dandruff always fell into food!
  • the most important
    the most important 3 January 2021 19: 33
    +1
    Quote: Gardamir
    Do you remember how the Kremlin gave Norway a part of the Barents Sea larger in area than the Crimea? ..

    I even remember who did it personally, his name!
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 03: 38
    -1
    Quote: Sibguest
    Dmitry, they (the Norwegians) just lack eggs - they exchanged them for American green killed raccoons.

    Heh, I read about Jack Reacher. Death floor. So, there they assured that half of the cash dollars were in Russia.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 3 January 2021 09: 34
    0
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    And this is what is missing ???? request

    They have their own gas
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 January 2021 09: 38
      -3
      So what if they have gas ???
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 3 January 2021 09: 47
        +7
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        So what if they have gas ???

        And, the fact that they do not need the SP-2 gas as such, but they will not lose business because of the sanctions, plus Norway is a US ally in NATO, by the way, Russia has not resolved the dispute over Spitsbergen with Norway, so the Norgis are here too 50 kopecks will be inserted
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 January 2021 12: 18
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          By the way, Russia has not resolved the dispute over Spitsbergen with Norway, so the norgi will insert their 50 kopecks here too
          Not everyone knows, and many have not even heard of the fact that in 2011 Russia gave Norway just a huge territory in the Barents Sea (President Dmitry Medvedev).
          We are talking about the transfer of 90 thousand square kilometers of water area to Norway (a NATO country, by the way) (formally, it is more correct to say water area, not territory, but this does not change the essence - the state gives the territory) of the Barents Sea with the richest deposits of oil, gas and fish resources. For comparison, the area of ​​the entire Leningrad region is smaller (83,9 thousand square kilometers). In reality, Russia has lost even more areas (the transfer of these territories entails the refusal of Russia from rights for another 240 thousand square kilometers of Arctic areas in the Spitsbergen area. , this is how foreign diplomats will interpret and present it), but more on that later. In the given territories of the Barents Sea, which was ceded to the Norwegians, they found hydrocarbons worth 30 billion euros.
          This is how the Norwegians repaid Russia for the good. Do not do good to people, they understand this as weakness.
          C may be the betrayal of the Prometheans, we do not know this yet.
          1. Vincenzo
            Vincenzo 3 January 2021 13: 04
            +1
            And for what reason does Russia transfer this part of the Barents Sea to Norway?
          2. NKT
            NKT 3 January 2021 22: 00
            -1
            Norway has already drilled three wells there and all of them are dry. So the gas and oil resources of € 30 billion are not yet confirmed.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 3 January 2021 23: 40
              +2
              Quote: NKT
              Norway has already drilled three wells there and all of them are dry. So the gas and oil resources of € 30 billion are not yet confirmed.

              Maybe they will find it, maybe not, but Russia has lost significant fish resources.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 3 January 2021 09: 47
        +4
        The longer this gimmick lasts with the long-suffering Nord Stream - 2, the more illusive the hopes for its prosperous future fate.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 3 January 2021 16: 52
          -2
          Quote: Stas157
          The longer this gimmick lasts with the long-suffering Nord Stream - 2, the more illusive the hopes for its prosperous future fate.

          Here is a joyful pill to cheer you up, thanks to which you will understand that the situation is completely different:
          The end of the outgoing “difficult” year of 2020 brings unprecedented positive news for the Russian commodity giant Gazprom. After good news from Europe and China, it was the turn of the "obstinate" Turkey. In October-November, Ankara tripled imports of "blue" fuel from the Russian Federation compared to the same period last season. It is reported by the Turkish industry regulator EPDK.
          "Put on" Russian gas
          In the first half of the year, Turkish traders, despite contractual obligations and the newly launched Turkish Stream, unceremoniously violating the terms of the agreement, sharply (by 40%) reduced the volume of purchases of domestic raw materials. However, now they are snapping up on fuel from the Russian Federation, having purchased almost 2 billion cubic meters in October alone (600 million in the previous reference period) and the reason for this is not only the cold.
          According to the Turkish statistical office, despite friendship, Azerbaijan still halved gas supplies to allied Turkey, since it needed raw materials to fill its "brainchild" - the Trans-Anatolian pipeline, which could lose its profitability and attractiveness in the eyes of investors if will work half-heartedly against the backdrop of rapid diversification and developing European infrastructure.
          The resulting "vacuum" of the proposal was more than used by Russia. Thus, Russian gas inflicted a crushing "retaliatory blow" against Turkey, which "betrayed" it at the beginning of the year. And the point here is not a long-term contract: Ankara is not going to fulfill it and is very frivolous about the conditions enshrined in it. But there were circumstances that forced to consume three times more than established in the bilateral agreement, which ultimately will "result" in new consumption records, exceeding the indicators of the last, successful, dock-like year.
          The record rise in the price of gas in Europe made Turkey remember about the Russian pipe, even on the spot markets, which had previously “rescued” local traders more than once. Now Russian raw materials have become the cheapest (relatively, only cheaper than competitors) on the market and they can be purchased for $ 170 pegged to the oil price. The monopolist from Russia did not want to follow the trend and increase the price of its gas on the electronic platform synchronously with all suppliers and is now in the most advantageous position on the world fuel market.
          As experts joke, with a further increase in demand as the onset of prolonged cold weather, an increase in the shortage of the product and a corresponding increase in the cost of raw materials at the price offered by Gazprom, the US, the worst enemy, will soon start buying fuel from it.
          Whatever it was, but the end of the year has every chance to bring the Russian energy holding at least the fulfillment of last year's indicators in the southern direction of export, and, at best, and the establishment of a new record.

          https://finobzor.ru/101631-delo-ne-v-kontrakte-rossiyskiy-gaz-nanosit-otvetnyy-udar-po-turcii.html?yrwinfo=1609681344419998-1382246108493919491200107-production-app-host-vla-web-yp-254
        2. ximkim
          ximkim 3 January 2021 17: 50
          +2
          Perhaps Gazprom will be sold to the Americans. There have already been precedents (the same RusAl)
  • Awaz
    Awaz 3 January 2021 09: 38
    +25
    it's not even about the Norwegians, but about the half-turn of the Russian authorities. Within the framework of the WTO, decent lawyers would not only torture them with lawsuits for such actions, but also financially beat them. And if this was done from the first days of the sanctions, against all those who supported these sanctions, at some point, there would be no sense from these sanctions.
    Yes, I agree that European and American courts are corrupted and make decisions based on some political as well as financial interests, but even so, having competent lawyers, you could catch them on this and drive them into corners.
    And there are no lawyers in the Russian Federation and are used by foreign authorities, and they will not work against their own for any money ...
    Even Gazprom cannot be protected, and what kind of conversations can one have about protecting ordinary citizens, if suddenly something goes wrong with them.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 3 January 2021 10: 09
      +8
      As if the Russian courts are not corrupt and always make honest decisions.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 3 January 2021 10: 35
        +5
        well, how do you like to say: this is completely different ...)))
        Russian courts are a separate topic and we are not discussing them now. And if you want to discuss them, then pay attention, based on what is happening in Europe, and the United States in the field of the work of courts, the Russian ones work according to the same scheme, making decisions not from the point of view of jurisprudence, but based on political or financial interests.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 3 January 2021 10: 47
          -22%
          European courts generally rule on the basis of law.
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 3 January 2021 11: 07
            +10
            Gyyyy. The case of the downed Boeing over Ukraine is a very vivid example. There is also such a character: Assange and the story of how he was judged ... These are just two examples well known to us. and how many more are there, about which we do not know anything ... there are many more stories with the arrests of Russian citizens in Europe and their extradition to the United States, in violation of all rules and regulations ...
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 3 January 2021 11: 08
              -8
              Assange is yes, but both sides lied a lot with Boeing.
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 3 January 2021 13: 10
                +2
                As I understand it, one side is the Dutch court, the question arises: who is the other side? Her, if this is Ukraine, then I agree with you, but I understand that you are hinting about a completely different side. The whole problem is that even for the district court in any Russian village, it is clear that the other side you mean is in no way at all sided with this case and there is still no, even the slightest, evidence that could be pulled. Imagine that I remember that day very well and just watched what was happening in the press both in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine. So, only the fact that, as it were, negotiations of the militia that they shot down a civilian plane appears within a few minutes after the disaster, clearly hints that this is a specially prepared cut, which was made in advance and thrown into the network at the right time. They just screwed up that they showed it too early. That is, someone knew in advance that the plane would be shot down. I'm not even talking about the fact that, according to all the rules, this catastrophe should have been investigated in Russia, and in general, in any case, even if the plane was suddenly shot down by the militia, it is definitely the fault of the Ukrainian authorities.
                this process is a politically engaged show, with a long premeditated outcome. And they cannot put a final point there only because everything is too embroidered with white threads and to see someone refuses to sign it, realizing that in the end it may turn out to be extreme.
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 3 January 2021 13: 14
                  -1
                  The second is Russia, which at the beginning said that Boeing shot down a fighter. Ukraine also lied a lot.
                  1. Awaz
                    Awaz 3 January 2021 14: 03
                    +2
                    Russian authorities could say anything at all, even assume that the Boeing was shot down by aliens. By the way, the version that they could have been shot down from the plane has not yet been refuted by anyone.
                    The funny thing about this topic is that Ukrainian BUKs right on the eve of the downing were actively included in the territories near the conflict line. And there is irrefutable proof of this, made by them themselves with the help of the Ukrainian media. There are also documented flights of Ukrainian military aircraft in the same place. Any normal court would start looking at these two points. Moreover, the court should have checked for detonation from inside the plane. Based on the events of those days, the likelihood of such a terrorist attack is quite possible. But no Dutch court even thinks to check this, since it has been ordered for a long time and is trying to somehow justify the expectations of the customer, without having any compelling evidence of guilt on the part of the Russian Federation.
          2. Alexy
            Alexy 3 January 2021 13: 22
            +1
            This is what a New Year's joke. I can list it for a long time, but the Stockholm arbitration is enough for me.
        2. WIKI
          WIKI 3 January 2021 17: 19
          0
          Quote: AwaZ
          And if you want to discuss them, then pay attention, based on what is happening in Europe

          Just do not say that this rating is due to the bias of the West. There is simply no other assessment. If you are not empty words, then share the relevant information. Rule of Law Index. The assessment is carried out according to the following sub-items:

          level of corruption;
          openness of power;
          respect for basic human rights;
          order and safety;
          regulatory enforcement;
          civil law enforcement;
          criminal law enforcement;
          observance of the law by state representatives.
          https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2020
          1. poquello
            poquello 3 January 2021 20: 52
            0
            Quote: WIKI
            Just do not say that this rating comes from the bias of the West.

            bullshit is complete, but it doesn't matter from son-in-law, it doesn't matter, look at the countries above and the price of this rating immediately becomes clear
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 January 2021 10: 24
      +23
      Within the framework of both the WTO and the UN, these sanctions could not have been introduced. By the way, Europe is filing claims against us within the WTO for retaliatory restrictions on the import of sanctioned products. The same Ukraine could not be credited after non-payment of 3 billion dollars of the Russian Federation, but is credited.
      The system was broken by the Americans themselves. The trouble is that the Russian Federation is trying to play by the rules with cheaters. Knowing that they are cheats.
    3. Grits
      Grits 3 January 2021 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: AwaZ
      Even Gazprom cannot be protected

      On the other hand, I think that the most creepy Gazprom lawyer has a monthly salary five times higher than my annual salary. Probably very smart lawyers at Gazprom, if they are paid so well.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 4 January 2021 02: 05
        +1
        Quote: Gritsa
        On the other hand, I think that the most creepy Gazprom lawyer has a monthly salary five times higher than my annual salary.

        you are still doing pretty well ... winked
  • Anar
    Anar 3 January 2021 09: 49
    -2
    That which is enough for the Turks.
    - “We now have different views on certain issues with President (Turkey - ed.) Erdogan. Maybe sometimes even opposing views there. But this is a man who keeps his word. A man. He does not wag his tail. If he thinks that it is beneficial for his country, he goes to the end. And this is an element of such predictability. This is very important in order to understand who you are dealing with, "Putin said during a large press conference.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 3 January 2021 10: 26
    +2
    And this is what is missing ????

    Sovereignty.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 January 2021 10: 55
      0
      In general, the position of the Europeans is strange .. They themselves need gas ..... and they themselves silently bow down under (no longer disguised as democracy) US actions. They do not even care about inventing fairy tales about the Russian Federation and democracy. They speak and act directly ... ... it remains only to fit and disperse the pipelayers to the Baltic Sea ... And Europe cannot even say anything.
      1. alpamys
        alpamys 3 January 2021 11: 43
        -5
        Quote: Zaurbek
        In general, the position of the Europeans is strange .. They themselves need gas ... and they themselves silently bend under (no longer disguised as democracy) US actions

        European politicians are chess pieces, Merkel (nee Kazmirchak) does not enjoy support from the Germans, only old people support it, but all kinds of Euro-idiots support, and German iron-building needs cheap gas and they do not want to pay the difference for amers for their gas, because it will lead to higher prices on the final product, here is a merkel with colleagues and try to sit on all the chairs at once.
        ps..a gas stoves in which all sorts of details of German iron building are tempered, burn for decades.
      2. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 3 January 2021 12: 04
        -1
        In general, the position of the Europeans is strange ..

        And you ask how many US and Nagliya military bases in Europe? Germany in fact, as it was occupied by them in 1945, and to this day under occupation. We have withdrawn our troops, and the Yankees are in no hurry. They still see the Wehrmacht in the Bundeswehr. Above the rank of major in the German troops without the permission of the Yankis, appointments are NOT carried out!
        The Chancellor Act requires each new German Chancellor to arrive in the United States to bow and kneel before the host.
        And this is Germany, which allegedly dominates the EU ... Why then talk about Norway?
      3. Mishanya74_2
        Mishanya74_2 3 January 2021 12: 26
        +2
        <<< We need gas ourselves >>>
        Don't they have gas?
      4. WIKI
        WIKI 3 January 2021 17: 54
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        In general, the position of the Europeans is strange .. They themselves need gas.

        Take it if you need it. Is transit through Ukraine prohibited?
  • figwam
    figwam 3 January 2021 12: 02
    0
    Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
    And this is what is missing ????

    Bees against honey! No, this does not happen and they row on their gallery in one direction.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 3 January 2021 15: 16
    0
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    And this is what is missing ???? request
    Competitors export gas themselves.
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B 3 January 2021 07: 46
    +15
    They cover it from all sides!
    Sons of a female dog!
    In fact, when they finally finish laying the pipe, they will still not be allowed to put it into operation. Seem to be...
    Why should an insurance company be only foreign?
    I suppose because even our Sberbank does not work in Crimea.
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 3 January 2021 09: 06
      +4
      we have no friends! only temporary companions and female dogs. on this site, by the way, it is forbidden to call a girl a dog with a real word.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 3 January 2021 09: 20
      0
      Why should an insurance company be only foreign?
      And here, in general, a paradoxical situation arises. Recently, our supreme leader gave the go-ahead about not recognizing the supremacy of international legal proceedings, but it turns out that jurisprudence is tied to foreign canons! And if everything is "closed" on the Moscow courts, then where to run to complain if the partners turn out to be not honest? How to collect fines?
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 3 January 2021 09: 51
        -1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        a paradoxical situation arises.

        And what's so paradoxical? Everything is quite natural.
      2. Deck
        Deck 3 January 2021 10: 04
        -3
        And if everything is "closed" on the Moscow courts, then where to run to complain if the partners turn out to be not honest?


        Pi Moscow courts and partners will not be. There are no idiots.
      3. Plantagenet
        Plantagenet 3 January 2021 11: 34
        0
        "And if everything is" closed "on the Moscow courts, then where to run to complain if the partners turn out to be not honest? How to collect fines?"

        Rough. How we still love ... Always ... This is not the main thing.

      4. ccsr
        ccsr 3 January 2021 12: 11
        -1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And if everything is "closed" on the Moscow courts, then where to run to complain if the partners turn out to be not honest? How to collect fines?

        There were such proposals in order to avoid such situations, and they consisted in the fact that the guarantor of the transaction was some other state that would have gold and foreign exchange reserves capable of covering the damage. Naturally, such a state would have to pay, and it should be stable and economically independent of other countries, like China, for example, or the same India. I think that, if desired, the mechanism could be adjusted by creating some kind of international financial institution, for example, among the BRICS countries.
      5. Mishanya74_2
        Mishanya74_2 3 January 2021 12: 28
        +3
        Your supreme gave only the go-ahead for his further reign ..
        And everything else about laws and so on is tinsel so that you vote the right way
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 3 January 2021 07: 50
    -3
    The Norwegian organization Det Norske Veritas (DNV) GL has declared its refusal to certify the Russian gas pipeline.

    Not surprised ... and expected it. smile I think the Germans or the Chinese can replace the unreliable Norwegians.
    Another nail in the coffin of the reliability of European partners ... the Germans are holding on for now .... let's see if they break under Biden's pressure. what
    1. Asad
      Asad 3 January 2021 07: 59
      +5
      And the Germans and the Chinese sanctions to what place?
    2. Deck
      Deck 3 January 2021 08: 03
      -6
      I think the Germans or the Chinese can replace the unreliable Norwegians.


      Is there no hope for the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping? Unreliable too? Although its owner is the Ministry of Transport (that is, the state) Or are there all Biden's agents?
      1. Asad
        Asad 3 January 2021 08: 38
        +5
        So probably they are afraid? Suddenly something flies in and you won't go to the dacha in Europe
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 3 January 2021 09: 53
        +3
        Quote: Deck
        Is there no hope for the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping?

        What hope can there be for him after the abolition of the priority of international law?
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 3 January 2021 07: 56
    +7
    There are no such restrictions on the part of the European Union: they do not prohibit anyone from certifying anything.

    Now they will be banned "byrenko".
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 3 January 2021 07: 59
    -1
    And somehow you can't beat the norgs with retaliatory sanctions? For example, express disbelief with org. conclusions like "nafig from the beach" for servicing the first "Northern Stream"?
    1. Deck
      Deck 3 January 2021 08: 10
      -2
      Do you propose to temporarily stop the operation of SP-1? Changing the classification society will require multi-million dollar costs and a lot of time.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 3 January 2021 09: 58
        0
        Quote: Deck
        You propose to temporarily stop the operation of SP-1

        Will it make us cold? I will not argue, I have very little idea of ​​the mechanisms of all this.
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 3 January 2021 08: 12
      +5
      And what about the source of the sanctions? Or just nothing? If we didn't itch from the sanctions, there would be no chatter that they are ineffective. It looks like they are not developed by "effective managers". Deripaska as an example.
      1. HUNTERDON
        HUNTERDON 3 January 2021 10: 53
        +4
        It seems that we just have nothing to eat. Here we wipe our noses.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 3 January 2021 08: 10
    -1
    ... such a decision will suit both Russia and Europe, since there are no restrictions on certification in the EU.

    I just want to highlight this decision with a quote from "Operation" Y "...."
    "- Listen, have you had any accidents at a construction site?
    - No, not a single one has happened yet ...
    - There will be ... "
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 03: 48
      0
      Quote: AlexVas44
      There will be ... "

      Uh-huh. We have been waiting for thirty years ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 08: 11
    -3
    And "we were in no hurry. If we needed SP-2, a previously unknown Cypriot company would have come to the owners of the gnome pipelayers and paid them such a sum for them that they would have sold everything, including their company. And then, after a quick completion and operational launch, it would have turned out that the unknown Cypriot belongs to one more, then another, then again another, and then three at once, but the founders of these three are associated for some reason and, of course, quite by accident or with Gazprom , or with Russia. laughing Come on! During the Soviet era, trains and under sanctions from the West sent equipment to the country in different ways, so it’s naive to think that the same Uncle Sam, but this time not in force, but slowly trying to escape from Alzheimer’s, would not have been bypassed. And the second is clearly catching up with Uncle Sam in points :) wassatSo it is better to watch the pipelayer's journey from the Far East to the Baltic Puddle by running music from the Benny Hill show in the background to this "semicircle". That was still a comedy laughing
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 3 January 2021 10: 11
      +5
      During the singing, the supporters of the authorities used to say confidently that they would soon finish building in spite of the enemies, but now it is not very necessary!
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 3 January 2021 11: 11
        +2
        Quote: Kronos
        During the singing, the supporters of the authorities used to say confidently that they would soon finish building in spite of the enemies, but now it is not very necessary!

        And what else can they say? Do they themselves believe in what they say?
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 3 January 2021 11: 08
      +3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Come on! During the Soviet era, echelons and sanctions from the West ...

      Just do not equate the current Russian Federation and the USSR, these states are completely incomparable.
  • Antidote
    Antidote 3 January 2021 08: 14
    +3
    We'll have to poke another hole ... on the belt
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 3 January 2021 08: 20
      -7
      Antidote - to tighten the belt around the neck of the one who first imposed sanctions against Russia? ??
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 3 January 2021 15: 23
      0
      Quote: Antidote
      We'll have to poke another hole ... on the belt
      Do not rush to knit a stranglehold for yourself.
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    1. bar
      bar 3 January 2021 08: 43
      +5
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      And we will catch up. In a few years, when our LNG tankers will shoal the Arctic

      It's like that. Only the word "our".
      Or are you a relative of Mr. Michelson?
      1. Asad
        Asad 3 January 2021 08: 48
        +1
        Judging by the shares of Sovcomflot, the bright future will not come soon!
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 3 January 2021 09: 37
      +3
      By the way, why are they minus the generally correct comment?
      After all, there has already been a scandal that the type of American LNG is actually Russian LNG, which mattresses just bought, called American and sold with a good markup?
      1. bar
        bar 3 January 2021 10: 14
        +10
        Quote: Dodikson
        like American LNG is actually Russian LNG, which mattresses just bought

        It is "Russian" only because it was pumped out of the Russian subsoil. And it was deflated and sold private company, which the Russian state almost completely exempted from taxes, and the benefit from which for the Russian budget is like a broth from an egg. No.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 3 January 2021 10: 16
          -3
          1) private companies do not pump gas, private companies buy gas from Gazprom.
          2) even private companies pay taxes in Russia, and who did not exempt anyone from taxes, these are the tales of the liberals.
          1. bar
            bar 3 January 2021 10: 44
            +12
            1) private companies do not pump gas, private companies buy gas from Gazprom.
            2) even private companies pay taxes in Russia, and who did not exempt anyone from taxes, these are the tales of the liberals.

            You are wrong on all four points.
            1) Gas in the Russian subsoil belongs to the state, not Gazprom.
            2) By pumping gas, companies pay the state a mineral extraction tax (MET).
            3) The private company Yamal LNG (50,1% of Mikhelson, 20% of Total, the rest is Chinese) has been exempted by the state from paying MET, VAT for 12 years, and received a profit tax benefit.
            4) And, unfortunately, these are not tales of liberals, but quite accessible information, which is even on Wikipedia.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 3 January 2021 12: 08
              -5
              They planned to free him from the severance tax, but did not release him.
              and besides this, in addition to the tax on mineral resources, there are also a bunch of other taxes, from which no one was going to exempt them.
              1. bar
                bar 3 January 2021 12: 09
                +5
                Quote: Dodikson
                they planned to free him from the severance tax, but they did not release him

                Is there a link to reliable sources, or take the word? I can throw in a bunch of links to the opposite statement.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 3 January 2021 12: 13
                  -4
                  give a link to the fact that they were exempt from tax.
                  a link to pedivikyu where they write that they were planned to be released is not accepted.
                  1. bar
                    bar 3 January 2021 12: 30
                    +3
                    That is, there will be no links to the abolition of the severance tax? laughing
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 3 January 2021 12: 33
                      -5
                      that is, there will be no links that this cancellation of the severance tax will not exist at all?
                      1. bar
                        bar 3 January 2021 12: 44
                        +4
                        Well, first of all, I asked first, but you didn't answer and merged.
                        Secondly, here's something fresh - the EEC Council satisfied Leonid Mikhelson's request to zero duties and taxes for gas carriers chartered by the company.
                        https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2020/01/22/821266-proekt-novateka
                        For a beloved friend, at least an earring from an ear laughing
                      2. bar
                        bar 3 January 2021 12: 54
                        +3
                        By the way, here Novak says that he will receive a budget from LNG. Except for the tax (preferential by the way) on profit (which for some reason does not exist, only losses), there is no question of any other taxes.
                        https://ptomsk.ru/news/aleksandr-novak-gosudarstvo-do-2035-goda-poluchit-bolee-900-mlrd-rubley-naloga-na-pribyl-yamala-spg/
                        I have no reason not to trust the whole minister.
                      3. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 3 January 2021 13: 21
                        -4
                        I do not need any speculation about what is possible or impossible, thinking about the structure of the world, observing the silence and drawing pictures with blue paint on a yellow background.
                        I ask you for an OFFICIAL document where it says that Yamal-LNG is exempt from mineral extraction tax.
                      4. bar
                        bar 3 January 2021 13: 43
                        +2
                        It looks like the opponent is overwhelmed. In this case, I take my leave, I am not interested in Deck trolling. hi
                      5. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 3 January 2021 13: 57
                        -3
                        when the opponent is idle talker and he has nothing to cover up his slander, then he begins to look for a reason to jump from the market.
                      6. bar
                        bar 3 January 2021 13: 58
                        +3
                        Here in the very pimp, Mr. idle talker. Very self-critical laughing
                        And you yourself follow your bazaar, I'm tired of it.
                      7. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 3 January 2021 14: 26
                        -2
                        no, you made the statement, you were asked to justify your bazaar, and you merged. they started to play up the pier they wanted earlier, but they wanted to NOT do it, but here there was probably a hint, but there someone ordered too expensive drinks, obviously stealing. and you have not substantiated anything like that.
                        and all you did was ask for links, although you should have given them.
                        in fact, you said that for example Petya is a rat, Petya asked you to prove that he is a rat, and you answered him that he would justify that he is not a rat.
                        and he does not have to substantiate this, you must substantiate your accusation.
                        And as for the topic of the article, I have been interested in politics for a very long time and NOT superficially, I know perfectly well what economic fighters are (ask what it is in general, they are the first to attack any country or sphere to subjugate it), and by the way Timchenko and ganvor it is for this that they began to press, and such economic fighters are far from being rare.
                        and Yamal-LNG is one of the centers of the energy sector, which in the future will put pressure on very strongly, and through the participation of foreign capital to lobby their interests abroad, because their business presses on its power more effectively and coveredly than if Putin did it through international negotiations which all under a magnifying glass are considered, and Yamal-LNG and other similar counterparts are not controlled by those who are listed as their key shareholders.
            2. Dodikson
              Dodikson 3 January 2021 13: 19
              -8
              lol, are you kidding me or don't you really understand even the basics of logic?
              I hope the caps will come faster.
              THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON THE APPROVAL.
              YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YAMAL-LNG DOES NOT PAY MET TAX AND THEREFORE YOU SHOULD PROVE THAT HE (YAMAL-LNG) DOES NOT PAY THEM.
              as EVERYONE pays them by default.
              that is, I do not need to provide ANY evidence, because as I already wrote, EVERYONE from the mining industry pays MET.
            3. bar
              bar 3 January 2021 13: 27
              +4
              Quote: Dodikson
              by default EVERYONE pays them

              Dodik, don't be stupid. If you have amnesia, I'll restore the chronology.
              The release of the Yamal LNG project from the severance tax was announced from the very beginning of the project. And a bunch of sources write about this, including stupidly Wikipedia. I wrote about this.
              But they said:
              they planned to free him from the severance tax, but they did not release him

              I asked you for a link to this "not released". But you, apparently according to national tradition, instead of answering this simple question, began to ask your own. So either give a link where the abolition of the severance tax for Yamal LNG was canceled, or end this stupid trolling.
              And even more so you don't need to SCREAM like that! wassat
            4. Dodikson
              Dodikson 3 January 2021 13: 41
              -9
              once again for the gifted, the BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON THE APPROVER.
              YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YAMAL-LNG DOES NOT PAY MET TAX AND THEREFORE YOU SHOULD PROVE THAT HE (YAMAL-LNG) DOES NOT PAY THEM.
              the fact that someone blurted out somewhere does not bother me. because, according to your logic, if some passenger comes to a topic about, for example, the Su-57 and gives an example of an article that in India some journalist with a hangover thought that the FPGA has an EPR several times less than that of the Fu-22, then I should then run to look for links with ESR parameters in the Su-57 and prove that the RCS of 0.01m2 for the Fu-22 is only in the decimeter range and only from the frontal sphere at a meeting angle of 0 degrees and any deviation automatically increases the RCS?
              Yes, I don’t care about speculation and dreams, if that passenger wants to prove that the EPR of the Su-57 is greater than that of the Fu-22, then he should show the official EPR data for Su and F, and not “I got drunk and it seemed to me that .. ... "and I repeat - THERE IS OFFICIAL DATA THAT YAMAL-LNG WAS RELEASED FROM MET, POST THEM HERE, AND I WILL BE OBLIGED TO SEARCH EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS WRONG - IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS WHERE YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS WHERE THE DOCUMENT IS SUPPLIED. LNG DOES NOT PAY MET IS A LIE AND SLAM.
              and I haven’t shouted it yet. just caps it comes to some easier.
              and I'm afraid that you are from this very category, you have to write the same thing a second time. although an ordinary person understands this the first time
  • ccsr
    ccsr 3 January 2021 12: 43
    -4
    Quote: bar
    3) The private company Yamal LNG (50,1% of Mikhelson, 20% of Total, the rest is Chinese) has been exempted by the state from paying MET, VAT for 12 years, and received a profit tax benefit.

    And what is surprising here if they were given a TEMPORARY permission not to pay taxes so that they could cover their investments in the development of the field? Yes, we physically in the country do not have enough finances for all promising projects, and why should we sit and wait for manna from heaven until extra money appears so that we can do everything 100% for the budget?
    I'm not even talking about the need to tie up many countries with our gas as soon as possible, until Qatar and the United States intercepted our markets, and you keep moaning that we are not attracting investments that way.
    And God forbid a new type of cheap energy will appear, and our gas will not be in demand at all - was this option not considered? And it would be worthwhile to think about why we attract foreign investors, so that later we will not end up with a broken trough.
    1. bar
      bar 3 January 2021 13: 35
      +5
      Quote: ccsr
      And what is surprising here if they were given a TEMPORARY permission not to pay taxes

      Indeed, there is nothing surprising here for our government.
      I'm not even talking about the need to tie up many countries with our gas as soon as possible, until Qatar and the United States intercepted our markets

      Here are just our LNG for a song instead of Asian countries tied European countries, driving our beloved and unhappy Gazprom into crazy losses.
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3937997
      But you keep talking about "foreign investors" ...
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 03: 51
    +1
    Quote: Dodikson
    even private companies pay taxes in Russia, and those who did not exempt anyone from taxes are the tales of the liberals.

    You haven't heard anything about the tax maneuver?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 08: 24
    -12%
    And even if the EU is buying amersky gas, it is even more expensive. Then, however, it turns out again that this is not American but Russian gas, bought by Amers from Russia, and reloaded somewhere in a quiet port from Arctic gas carriers to Amers, and sold to Europeans even more expensively by Amers. For example, that the Tribaltic terminal for pumping-pumping the SPN is idle there? Yes, they even more for cover will burst all over Europe about totalitarian Mordor, so that God forbid, no one thought that during the day they yell, and at night, with a slight movement of the hand, according to the documents, they turn Russian into gas, into amerskiy, intended for the Fritzes. lol
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 3 January 2021 09: 39
      -5
      they didn't even overload that Russian LNG.
      they were also burned on the fact that all the movements of civilian ships are monitored on sites like Fly Radar (this is for aviation, but there is also for the fleet, I just don't remember) and ordinary users freaked out when they saw that the American tanker type came not from New York, but from the shores of the Northern Arctic. and started asking questions.
    2. bar
      bar 3 January 2021 10: 25
      +5
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Then, however, it turns out again that this is not American but Russian gas, bought by Amers from Russia, and reloaded somewhere in a quiet port from Arctic gas carriers to Amersky

      It's time to decide on the terminology. For example, for me the words "Russian gas" mean a product, the profit from the sale of which goes to the Russian budget. Therefore, gas from Yamal LNG can be called "Russian" purely conditionally, only by its origin from the Russian subsoil. And the profits from its sale go to Mr. Michelson and his comrades, to the frogmen from "Total" and other private shops. And the replacement of Gazprom's gas with "Russian" LNG, of course, can cause a feeling of national pride, but that's all. Little drips into the pocket of the state budget. sad
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 3 January 2021 12: 09
        -8
        money from American shale gas also does not go to the US budget, so then we and American gas from now on, thanks to your comment, no longer consider American.
        and the fact that you are silent that Gazprom has a share in them does not add any advantages to you.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 3 January 2021 08: 26
    +1
    Though a stuffed animal, even though a carcass, Gazprom will climb into Europe.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 3 January 2021 09: 39
      +6
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Though a stuffed animal, even though a carcass, Gazprom will climb into Europe.

      SP-2 is a corpse, it was clear with the introduction of sanctions, we need SP-2 as an instrument of pressure on Ukraine, so that Europe will survive without SP-2, since gas, as before, will receive through a gas pipeline through Ukraine
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 08: 27
    -18%
    So let them get out with the SP-2

    They are working on the continuation of the performance in the European circus with horses. And Russia is there as a spectator. And it is very funny sometimes to watch how strongmen with kettlebells collectively try to catch and hang aerial acrobats, because the master of ceremonies told them not to speak to the public anymore, otherwise he will impose sanctions in his pants  laughingGas in Russia - for 500 years we can provide the whole world, taking into account the increase in consumption. Well, thank God. For the peace of German gas processing. Without clinking glasses. laughing
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 3 January 2021 08: 33
    +7
    Yeah, well, they will make our one-day and certificates for it, and what next? But what about the recognition of these certificates by the rest of the serious guys in the EU? Oops did not think, again a rake. And the initiative is entirely on the side of the United States. Our only goals conceded. Then build a terminal at the German end and carry it by tankers with a simultaneous ban on the purchase of this gas by any foreign companies. The way out is so-so, but at least something will bring in, for now, some expenses. And the payback tends to zero, with such expenses we will beat it off for 30 years with quarterly gas increases to our population to the music from the Benny Hill show.
    1. Motorist
      Motorist 3 January 2021 15: 27
      +1
      Quote: evgen1221
      Yeah, well, they will make our one-day

      RMRS will be older than you.

      Quote: evgen1221
      And what about the recognition of these certificates by the rest of the serious guys in the EU?

      RMRS is a member of IACS, for a second ...

      I assume that RMRS will be involved. Here is a link to the activities of RMRS regarding offshore pipelines:

      https://rs-class.org/services/subsea-pipelines-sp/
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 3 January 2021 08: 38
    -1
    In general, it is curious - why are they all so afraid of US sanctions? What is there in America that is not in Europe?
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 3 January 2021 09: 30
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      What is there in America that is not in Europe?

      Baksiki.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 3 January 2021 10: 13
      +1
      The fact that America is a superpower that owns the world.
  • bar
    bar 3 January 2021 08: 39
    +7
    Norwegian company refused to certify Nord Stream 2

    Suddenly. And, as usual, Gazprom was not ready for this, although this news was known back in November. And, as usual, (as with "Chersky"), instead of preparing in advance, they will crumple their boobs for another year, depicting violent activity with the paperwork for obtaining a license ... negative
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 08: 42
    -7
    Quote: evgen1221
    Yeah, well, they will make our one-day and certificates for it, and what next? But what about the recognition of these certificates by the rest of the serious guys in the EU? Oops did not think, again a rake. And the initiative is entirely on the side of the United States. Our only goals conceded. Then build a terminal at the German end and carry it by tankers with a simultaneous ban on the purchase of this gas by any foreign companies. The way out is so-so, but at least something will bring in, for now, some expenses. And the payback tends to zero, with such expenses we will beat it off for 30 years with quarterly gas increases to our population to the music from the Benny Hill show.

    Why are you so alarmed? laughing

    There are 12 certification companies in total: The 5th on the list refused, she sits in Hamburg (this is after the merger of the Germans), it is convenient with them, but what can you do, they already wave papers on SP-1.

    12th Russian, but the Danes want a third party.

    Site of the Association for certification, classification

    http://www.iacs.org.uk/

    1 - USA

    2- France

    3- China

    4 - Croatia

    6 - India

    7 - South Korea

    8 - Brita

    9 - Japan Is everyone so horny? The pipe has not been completed yet. If the pipe is completed, they will decide everything. laughing
    1. Asad
      Asad 3 January 2021 08: 52
      +10
      With your optimism, it is necessary to buy Gazprom shares, on all shoulders!
    2. ximkim
      ximkim 3 January 2021 10: 02
      +2
      You have posted a list of countries that will support the sanctions.
    3. Kronos
      Kronos 3 January 2021 10: 15
      +7
      Like bombing at Putin.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 04: 00
        +1
        Quote: Kronos
        Like bombing at Putin.

        And where is Vadik two hundred and thirty-seventh? He assured me that the construction would be completed in February-last year. And he is not alone. request
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 3 January 2021 08: 42
    +17
    Who else has confidence that Gazprom has a "national treasure" meme? Especially its top leadership, which is at least a STANDARD of patriotism and the expression of the will of its own country and people. They will not start and will only chat and pretend that they are completing the permitted pieces of this pipe. Today I will unblock the cognac I won, because we hacked pipe 2 on this topic at the beginning of the summer. And at whose expense this "banquet" was paid and who else can recall the closest miscalculation of the level "like plywood over Paris". I can’t even imagine something like that with the USSR, someone could vykobenitsya in the tail and mane. Not funny and disgusting, because Z. Brzezinski is right in terms of whose our "elite" and to whom it belongs. Gazprom has cardboard eggs ... but fingers like a fan and bubbles since the days of Rem Vyakhirev wassat drinks
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 08: 57
      -13%
      This has never happened. Probably you pass the desired (in your case) as valid. And it's easier to lie.
    2. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 11: 28
      -7
      This is where it all begins, then Yeltsin, then something else ... you, without realizing it (or understanding), you are not a good person .. It is because of you that the USSR collapsed.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 08: 46
    -13%
    Quote: viktor_ui
    Who else has confidence that Gazprom has a "national treasure" meme? Especially its top leadership, which is at least a STANDARD of patriotism and the expression of the will of its own country and people. They will not start and will only chat and pretend that they are completing the permitted pieces of this pipe. Today I will unblock the cognac I won, because we hacked pipe 2 on this topic at the beginning of the summer. And at whose expense this "banquet" was paid and who else can recall the closest miscalculation of the level "like plywood over Paris". I can’t even imagine something like that with the USSR, someone could vykobenitsya in the tail and mane. Not funny and disgusting, because Z. Brzezinski is right in terms of whose our "elite" and to whom it belongs. Gazprom has cardboard eggs ... but fingers like a fan and bubbles since the days of Rem Vyakhirev wassat drinks

    Catch a minus for illiteracy. There was and is an alternative to pipelines, for example Yamal LNG
    On December 5, 2017, the production of liquefied natural gas began at the first production line with a capacity of 5,5 million tons / year of LNG. The first batch of liquefied natural gas was purchased by Novatek Gas & Power, a trader of the NOVATEK group, for Petronas and sent to the UK. She was transported by the gas carrier Christophe de Margerie of Sovcomflot laughing
    1. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 3 January 2021 09: 08
      +11
      I have always been a threesome in the Russian language and do not use auto spell checker when typing text or textures. My cursive writing does not interfere with my main work from the word VASCHE. I am not interested in liquefied gas as a whole, and even more so in its victorious sales over the hill, as well as in the oil industry. And wagging and wobbling around the SP-2 project, except for neighing, does not cause anything else to me - this is a fiasco with huge financial costs to nowhere ... him?
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 3 January 2021 21: 04
        0
        Completion is likely to be completed, but if the sanctions hit the buyers, they will scatter faster than the pipelayers.
    2. bar
      bar 3 January 2021 09: 21
      +9
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      There was and is an alternative to pipelines, for example Yamal LNG

      If for you a private company, exempted from a heap of taxes, from which the state budget receives broth like an egg, is an alternative to a state company, then you are certainly literate. Catch the plus laughing
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 04: 06
      +1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      It was transported by the Christophe de Margerie gas carrier for Sovcomflot

      Pride of the country! Under the banner of Cyprus ... wassat
      Home port - Limassol ...
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 08: 55
    -10%
    Russia has only two allies, the army and the navy. Everything else is from the evil one.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 3 January 2021 09: 29
      +11
      Russia has only two allies, the army and the navy. Everything else is from the evil one.
      They helped a lot in the destruction of the USSR ??
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 09: 39
        -12%
        Don't touch the USSR, nothing good will come of it. Do you want to swear?
      2. Avior
        Avior 3 January 2021 11: 16
        +10
        And what about the Russian Empire?
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 11: 23
          -5
          Unfortunately, there is no Russian Empire. There is some regret. Well, no, that's all, I don't want to be flogged in the stable - that's why for the USSR.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 02: 53
        +1
        Quote: 72jora72
        They helped a lot in the destruction of the USSR ??

        For the destruction of the USSR, according to the CIA, the United States spent 13 trillion dollars.
    2. Avior
      Avior 3 January 2021 11: 16
      +6
      Nicholas 2, during the revolution, probably often remembered this phrase of the tyatny ...
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 11: 36
        -3
        No need to remember ... you need to do. Lenin did. 70 years of the welfare state - don't you agree? Argument.
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 January 2021 18: 20
          +2
          It was about the allies.
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 20: 40
            -2
            Excuse me ... Does Lenin have allies? Fuck ... something in this life I don't know for sure.
            1. Avior
              Avior 3 January 2021 22: 38
              +1
              You read your original post hi
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 4 January 2021 02: 41
                -1
                Sorry. I'm sorry.
    3. IL38
      IL38 3 January 2021 17: 14
      -2
      There were two allies - Roads and Fools.
      Since 2014, the third-Krymnash has been added.
      So think for three.
      They talk about SP-2, memory like a fish, the last three seconds.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 20: 46
        -1
        And Crimea is ours.
        1. IL38
          IL38 3 January 2021 21: 43
          -4
          Yours is yours ... Nord Stream is also yours ... and your drinking water ... Everything is in stock)))
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 4 January 2021 00: 21
            0
            Our ... your answer warms my soul ... not yours ...
            1. IL38
              IL38 4 January 2021 02: 01
              -5
              I give the idea: to repeat the mantra at night - "OUR NASHNASH ..." Maybe the life-giving sanctions will be removed.
              By the way, they calculated approximately. What Russia has lost from the sanctions + the bridge + the maintenance of Crimea would be enough for almost 2000 years of its lease.
              Do not overheat the shower, the problem with water, there is nothing to cool.
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 4 January 2021 02: 30
                0
                Everything will be there, including water. But you will not be, and this is such a joy ... Go with God from here.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 January 2021 08: 59
    -4
    I wonder if the Americans will go so far as to bomb this gas pipeline? It seems to me that it’s not long before that.
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 January 2021 12: 28
      +1
      And how do you imagine that?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 09: 04
    -11%
    Quote: ASAD
    With your optimism, it is necessary to buy Gazprom shares, on all shoulders!

    Buy:
    Course
    Change
    30.12.20/XNUMX/XNUMX - date
    212,6900-course
    1,85% - change Up crawl laughing Price

    closing

    212,98 RUB
    212,98 RUB
    Price per lot. 1 lot = 10
    shares

    RUB 2 129,80 laughing
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 3 January 2021 12: 17
      +5
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Buy:

      Wouldn't recommend.
      For.
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Course
      Change
      30.12.20/XNUMX/XNUMX - date
      212,6900-course

      And February 2006 - 218.8 Without even remembering inflation, loss of 3% over 15 years. And if you remember, then all 70-80. yes As for me, the moment more than clearly demonstrates the "high professionalism" of the Gazprom managers. yes
    2. Asad
      Asad 3 January 2021 12: 31
      0
      January 4th we'll see I'm short!
  • Dimide
    Dimide 3 January 2021 09: 09
    +11
    I read the comments and smile. It feels like
    shareholders gathered
    Gazprom and discuss the problem of shortfall in profit in the new year
    1. Asad
      Asad 3 January 2021 12: 32
      +1
      We got profit, and we will get more, but later!
  • baza1
    baza1 3 January 2021 09: 17
    +7
    Everything that is not done is all for the better. Can this gas be used to develop its economy? Maybe it's time to start moving away from the cliché "resource-producing country"?
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 3 January 2021 20: 51
      -2
      This is not a cliché, these are your thoughts ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 09: 26
    -5
    This is an old idiot. From November yet. Below is a quote from that period:

    The announcement of the withdrawal from the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project was denied by the Norwegian certification company Veritas - Germanischer Lloyd (DNV GL). This was reported on November 26 by RBC, citing company representatives.


    “DNV GL did not make a decision to refuse to certify the Nord Stream 2 pipeline system,” quotes an official representative of RBC.

    A DNV GL spokesman explained that the company, having studied the new instructions of the US State Department on sanctions against the Russian gas pipeline, decided that services related to ships and equipment on them fall under them.

    At the same time, the Norwegian company does not refuse services related to the gas pipeline pipes.

    So, in November they said: "We will not certify the equipment and vessels, but we will do the pipe." Then it became clear that they would throw everyone at the first nix. (Tse) laughing

    And he (nix) happened. The United States adopted a defense budget with sanctions. (defensive, Karl!) Y-yes. And so: the Vikings were instantly blown away. So nothing unexpected. It was clear to any sane shareholder that this would be the case back in November. Therefore, it was necessary to start looking for a new certifier (or whatever it is) in November.

    I believe they will find him. By January 15 at the latest. The Germans are interested in continuing the work, so they will hurry up. IMHO, of course.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 09: 34
    -8
    Quote: baza1
    Everything that is not done is all for the better. Can this gas be used to develop its economy? Maybe it's time to start moving away from the cliché "resource-producing country"?

    Rommie wake up daraga laughing
    1. baza1
      baza1 5 January 2021 12: 25
      -1
      DARAgoy, and what am I wrong? Or explain why I watched this video.
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 3 January 2021 09: 37
    +5
    1. Drown the pipe.
    2. Under this force majeure, the supply of pipeline gas to Europe should be reduced and prices raised.
    3. To use gas for the development of our own industry and for me in the village, to lower prices.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 3 January 2021 09: 54
    +4
    And there you see smelt will go to spawn, and Danish ecologists will block construction.
  • Morozov
    Morozov 3 January 2021 09: 55
    0
    This is some kind of detective story .. What kind of 100 km is left and started .. And why did they not immediately put a stick in the wheels? They would have stated specifically that we will not let them build.
    And then they staged a circus! The Norgi waited a long time to stick a knife in their backs at the last moment .. In vain we freed them from the Natsiks, while their men sat in the mines from the Germans .. And in the 90s they were given a sea territory with the richest oil reserves. .Do not do good, you will not get evil ..
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 3 January 2021 10: 02
    -2
    What do you want from slaves? The owner said the slaves did it.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 3 January 2021 10: 28
    0
    The organization explained that the reason for the denial of certification is the new US sanctions,

    "Little dog until old age puppy ..."
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 3 January 2021 10: 29
    +4
    I read all the comments. The feeling that the New Year holidays does not contribute to logical statements remains. Cons and pros for absolutely the same thoughts - the result of "personal sanctions" of anonymous users ...
    It is strange why no one raised the question: “On what basis did the United States usurp the right materializing spirits and distributing elephants issuing sanctions personally with the involvement of auxiliary workers countries bent in a missionary position ”? It is not strange that such an outcome in promoting any (profitable) Russian project was predictable. It is strange that so far Russia has never raised this topic in those organizations that force it to pay billions of dollars to repay the ambitions of American vassals ... At least for the sake of decency ...
    Here, the conclusion about a failed international policy simply suggests itself. And believe me, all the words that: “Voice Bestuzheva Putin is weak now! " - acquired visible contours in comparison with statements about the increased role of Russia in the international arena.
    Maybe it's time, starting some projects, to calculate such risks in advance, so as not to solder cognac to those who are confident in their own rightness (on the basis of what international law and treaties) users.
    By the way, in 2019, on New Year's Eve, there was a topic about the completion of the construction of "SP-2", where (in all likelihood, statesmen) with foam at the mouth and sticks for rating a crowd of "true patriots" beat themselves in the chest, proving how much days left before launch ...
    PS Sometimes in serious topics the true state of affairs can be traced when the saying:
    “Everything that NO is done is for the better” indicates with the direct opposite that in Russia no big business is complete without a big scandal and large costs.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 3 January 2021 10: 32
    +2
    Well. And these partners Gazprom pulled.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 3 January 2021 10: 45
    +10
    You can endlessly look at three things: how the fire burns, how the water flows and how the SP-2 is built)))
  • APASUS
    APASUS 3 January 2021 11: 06
    -2
    Ours behave strangely, with partners in the EU on the gas pipeline. Many companies refused to work with us on the joint venture-2 (Allseas, Det Norske Veritas (DNV) GL and even a bunch of offices) Why ours do not sue, do not impose penalties? Nobody in the EU regrets us, fines are issued regularly (even limitrophes) and they go to court.If we abandoned the project, it is not yet known there which would be more expensive, whether to leave or extend this pipe
    1. major147
      major147 3 January 2021 12: 54
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Ours behave strangely, with partners in the EU on the gas pipeline. Many companies refused to work with us on the joint venture-2 (Allseas, Det Norske Veritas (DNV) GL and even a bunch of offices) Why ours do not sue, do not impose penalties? Nobody in the EU regrets us, fines are issued regularly (even limitrophes) and they go to court.If we abandoned the project, it is not yet known there which would be more expensive, whether to leave or extend this pipe

      Here you need to know the content of cooperation agreements. What and how is spelled out there. It seems to me that no one will waste their money, unless otherwise stated in the contract.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 04: 14
        +1
        Quote: major147
        Here you need to know the content of cooperation agreements. What and how is spelled out there. It seems to me that no one will waste their money, unless otherwise stated in the contract.

        And what is spelled out in the constitution? Well, in the amendments?
        1. major147
          major147 4 January 2021 20: 11
          -1
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: major147
          Here you need to know the content of cooperation agreements. What and how is spelled out there. It seems to me that no one will waste their money, unless otherwise stated in the contract.

          And what is spelled out in the constitution? Well, in the amendments?

          So what?
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 3 January 2021 11: 10
    -4
    They'll connect the Pipe without a certificate from this group, and that's all.
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 January 2021 12: 27
      -2
      What for ? our companies certify and all ...
  • Brturin
    Brturin 3 January 2021 11: 19
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And Europe cannot even say anything.

    December 30, 2020 - the head of the .Uniper company Andreas Shirenbek in an interview with the Rheinische Post newspaper - "I proceed from the fact that Nord Stream 2 will now finish the pipeline to the end" ... And the other 4 companies of the SP-2 participant do not particularly say, but also to leave do not come out, many in the states would be happy to leave, but .... And officially the Germans are still continuing - the same Foreign Minister of Germany Heiko Maas in October - “I proceed from the assumption that Nord Stream 2 will be completed. when. We make decisions about our energy policy and energy supply here in Europe ", December 28 -" We do not have to talk about European sovereignty if this means that in the future we will do everything just the way Washington wants ", - in Der Spiegel. Everyone knew about the sanctions, but why did Fortune pass a small section, why they asked for Denmark and received permission to work after January 15 ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 11: 21
    -3
    For the "specially gifted" in order to broaden their horizons laughing
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 3 January 2021 14: 06
      +1
      As a result - According to Sibur estimates, the full capacity of Zapsibneftekhim will allow replacing the existing import of polymers (about 400 thousand tons per year), including brands not previously produced in Russia.
      Polymer production in Russia in 2020 will grow by almost 50% - from 3,165 million to 4,684 million tons, according to the review of the NKR rating agency for petrochemistry ... At the end of the year, the country for the first time in history will become a net exporter of the two most popular types of polyethylene - linear polyethylene low density and low-density polyethylene, that is, their supplies abroad will exceed imports, NKR predicts https://www.rbc.ru/business/23/12/2020/5fe208679a794711d17948af
      slowly all this ... but nevertheless ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 11: 25
    -4
    In general, a bunch of amateurs - minusers laughing Time to waste on you. For Germanic chemistry you can sing for the repose. laughing
  • svoit
    svoit 3 January 2021 11: 58
    0
    And what, we have no one to certify? Unfortunately, many Western companies turned out to be very unreliable and cooperation with them should be stopped.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 3 January 2021 12: 23
    -2
    Here are the Scandinavian dirty tricks!
    SP-2 must be completed in 2021 for sure. And in the future, it is good to think whether it is worth breaking into a closed Euro-door? Or is it safer to build gas pipelines to Asia?
    1. xomaNN
      xomaNN 3 January 2021 14: 43
      -1
      scandinavian dirty tricks!
      it looks like we got to this site. lol some ridiculous backing tracks love
  • cniza
    cniza 3 January 2021 12: 25
    0
    Earlier in Berlin, they reaffirmed their commitment to complete the construction of the pipeline, despite the US sanctions imposed as part of the new US defense budget.


    Too much noise, it is necessary to silently bring the matter to the end and announce that pumping through SP 2 has begun ...
  • major147
    major147 3 January 2021 12: 51
    -1
    Quote: Cosm22
    Mr. Yushkov had illusory hopes for DNV GL. Alas, yesterday the company said its clear and categorical "no!"
    Sailed ...

    Igor Yushkov, an expert at the Financial University under the Russian government, a leading analyst at the National Energy Security Fund, commented on RT's refusal of the Norwegian company Det Norske Veritas (DNV GL) to certify the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline after its completion due to US sanctions on the project.
    At the same time, the specialist expressed the opinion that as an option that would be acceptable for both Europe and Russia, it would be possible to involve a Russian company for project certification.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 3 January 2021 13: 58
    0
    IF Nrus <300 000 000 THEN STOP ELSE SP-1,2,3,4,5 ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 14: 11
    -2
    And for patriots, you did not confuse "military review" with the magazine "Russian military review" laughing Turbid resource laughing Minus further. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 January 2021 14: 20
    -5
    Quote: ximkim
    You have posted a list of countries that will support the sanctions.

    Gazprom wanted to sneeze on this "list" and wipe in that place laughing For greed will surpass the mustache. laughing
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 3 January 2021 14: 33
    +1
    It was easy to predict the refusal of the Norwegians from certification immediately after the announcement of the intentions to impose the next sanctions by amers. The question is different - did ours attend to obtaining the necessary licenses even then, or only now, when the cock pecked in the ass?
    I would not be surprised if Gazprom's "effective managers" once again screw up.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 3 January 2021 14: 48
    -2
    Grind the norgi. They used to be harsh Vikings, but now they are afraid of moneybags and merchants far overseas before the described pants.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 3 January 2021 16: 28
    +3
    Earlier in Berlin, they confirmed their commitment to complete the construction of the gas pipeline

    Everything can be confirmed in Berlin, but Oslo is against bully
    Lived, damn it, damn it, the center of Europe is shifting to either side of Berlin laughing
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 3 January 2021 20: 45
    0
    No, on, and what? Sanctions are imposed for this in order to "keep and not let go." It is in Russia (and even then only partially) that they can put a left-handed bolt on them. The Norwegians cannot.request Who doubted that it would be so? Down and Out trouble started.
  • 123456789
    123456789 3 January 2021 21: 00
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail M
    And what about the source of the sanctions? Or just nothing?

    For example, sanctions on the transportation of Caspian hydrocarbons hi