Azerbaijan claims half of village in Syunik region of Armenia

Azerbaijan laid claim to half of the Armenian village in the Syunit region of Armenia. Units of the Azerbaijani army entered the village of Shurnukh, stating that the border between the states runs through the village. Armenian media write about this with reference to the village headman.

The Azerbaijani military refer to the map of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces from 1942, where the border, according to them, passes through the village of Shurnukh in the Syunit region. According to the Armenian side, the border between the countries runs near the village, and not through it. However, the Russian border guards who arrived at the scene are also guided by the maps of the Soviet General Staff when determining the state border.

At present, an Azerbaijani army post has been set up in the middle of the village, families living in 12 houses, which Baku claims, were given a deadline until January 5 to finally determine, since the territory goes to Azerbaijan.

It's all over. Azerbaijanis, Russians, our border guards arrived. Until January 5, they gave a deadline, they will set up posts in the middle of the village (...) We have this map too, and there the border passes under the village, and not along the territory of the village. But there is no one to tell them about it ... So the building of the rural library is going to them, it seems

- said the headman.

Recall that at the end of December, Baku demanded to give up half of the village of Shurnukh, in accordance with the new border determined by Soviet maps. According to Pashinyan, Armenia is returning to internationally recognized borders, determined both by maps and by GPS. Protests began in the Syunit region, which after the return of a part of the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan became a border region. The local population calls the demarcation of the border illegal.

Comments

[113262a]

I think they will cut!

[Flashpoint]

(Vladimir)
I think they will cut!

Headman, villagers or territory?
In general, there is no end and end to this process. Each side may try to escalate ...
And there is no sense in exacerbation, only they will make it worse. They will add a headache to peacekeepers ...

[Shurik70]

This is generally in human nature - if it can take, then it must be taken. And don't care if it belongs to him or not. If you took it, then it.
And if there is an opportunity not to give, then he will not give. And again, I don't care if it's his or not.
And this rule concerns the territory in the first place.
Regardless of nationality (if there were peoples who behaved differently, they did not survive)

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Shurik70

if you can take it, you must take it. And don't care if it belongs to him or not. If you took it, then it.

Just what will they do with this piece of the village? Why do they need it? Out of harm? There are hardly any reasonable Azerbaijanis who want to move there. Only if it is significant to destroy these half-villages, like - mine, whatever I want, then I do. But this will only fuel the conflict. It would be wiser for Azerbaijan to draw the border along the edge of the village as a winner. You could also get promoted in the media.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

What did you think first of all? That's what they thought and will cut.

[Anar]

These "boradiki"

That is why the Armenians, according to world standards, are not very cultural things, throw all this on the Azerbaijanis? An Armenian says that Azerbaijanis are bearded.
It should be noted for the sake of justice these are bearded Armenians. From their prime minister to many politicians and ending with videos of the military, many beards walk around.
Armenians, I understand you are mountainous, a lot of technologies have not reached you, but if you yourself walk with beards, do not call people shaved to shine by the word "boradiki")))

[Machito]

Quote: Anar

These "boradiki"

That is why the Armenians, according to world standards, are not very cultural things, throw all this on the Azerbaijanis? An Armenian says that Azerbaijanis are bearded.
It should be noted for the sake of justice these are bearded Armenians. From their prime minister to many politicians and ending with videos of the military, many beards walk around.
Armenians, I understand you are mountainous, a lot of technologies have not reached you, but if you yourself walk with beards, do not call people shaved to shine by the word "boradiki")))

Among the Russians there are also Bearded

[Flashpoint]

Quote: Bearded

Quote: Anar

These "boradiki"

That is why the Armenians, according to world standards, are not very cultural things, throw all this on the Azerbaijanis? An Armenian says that Azerbaijanis are bearded.
It should be noted for the sake of justice these are bearded Armenians. From their prime minister to many politicians and ending with videos of the military, many beards walk around.
Armenians, I understand you are mountainous, a lot of technologies have not reached you, but if you yourself walk with beards, do not call people shaved to shine by the word "boradiki")))

Among the Russians there are also Bearded

[Machito]

To understand and to forgive

[Lyuba1965_01]

Let's not go into historical details, otherwise everyone can learn something not very pleasant and flattering about their country and their people.
But there are recognized boundaries that must be adhered to.
Do you propose to divide Karabakh?
But by what right do you dispose of someone else's territory?
Then it turns out that the Armenians chopped off someone else's territory, part of which Azerbaijan liberated, part of it was not allowed to liberate, and this part that was not taken should be presented to the invader?
If such a situation was in Russia with Russian lands and you were offered to give part of the territory of Russia to the one who seized it, would you like it?

[Seal]

What do you mean to say that you personally know the true true world history? Let me be curious, what is your statement based on?
And further. As recent history has shown, one should not revise the decisions of Lenin and Stalin regarding the ownership of this or that territory of this or that union republic. If Lenin and Stalin decided that Crimea is Russia and Karabakh is Azerbaijan, then so be it. Look, one bald opportunist tried to revise the decision of Lenin and Stalin regarding the ownership of the Crimea. So what ? And the fact that nothing good came of this bald opportunist, and Crimea eventually returned home to Russia.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Flashpoint

Headman, villagers or territory?

In this war I was struck by some kind of Ishil's cruelty ...
And if from the Azerbaijani side this, well, somehow in an Asian way, still did not cause much surprise, then from the Armenians PERSONALLY I did not expect such cruelty ...
Now I know that ALL Caucasians are the same in their cruelty.
How could it be otherwise? For centuries they cut each other and the mutual hatred was driven under the carpet only by the Soviet regime.
I emphasize, I am not a hater of Caucasians, but there is such a black residue that I involuntarily spread to all of them ... Alas ...

[Lyuba1965_01]

The Armenians have already committed genocide of the Azerbaijani people 2 times and received an answer. There was also a quiet genocide of the Azerbaijani people by the Armenians in 19484-1958. Azerbaijanis were never the first to start these conflicts.
So it is the Azerbaijanis who are a more or less peaceful nation, as well as the Georgians.
Azerbaijan and Georgia had a small territorial dispute, but it was resolved quietly and peacefully, without any aggressive rhetoric, and even more so without military action, and even then not constantly, because Armenia never had statehood as such, it was Rossia who gave it to them.
It is the Armenians who muddy the waters in Transcaucasia with their claims to some of their "historical" territories, which, if they belonged to them, then several centuries ago.
It is the Armenians who declare that the territories of Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran (yes, talks about these lands are already beginning) are "primordially Armenian lands."
It was the Armenians who quarreled with all their neighbors, and then ferment the offended and oppressed.
Calm down the Armenians and put them in their place, and everything will be calm in Transcaucasia.

[g1v2]

The usual human hatred of two neighbors. Nothing new. Again, this is a war for us in distant outskirts, but for them it is a struggle for a significant part of their living space. PM of the prisoners and wounded were obviously finished off by both sides, starting to take them only at the end of the conflict.

[Alexander Vorontsov]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Flashpoint

Headman, villagers or territory?

In this war I was struck by some kind of Ishil's cruelty ...
And if from the Azerbaijani side this, well, somehow in an Asian way, still did not cause much surprise, then from the Armenians PERSONALLY I did not expect such cruelty ...
Now I know that ALL Caucasians are the same in their cruelty.
How could it be otherwise? For centuries they cut each other and the mutual hatred was driven under the carpet only by the Soviet regime.
I emphasize, I am not a hater of Caucasians, but there is such a black residue that I involuntarily spread to all of them ... Alas ...

and where does the Caucasus?
Are you a full movie of what is shown in the photo others like you saw?

[Quadro]

Quote: Alexander Vorontsov

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Flashpoint

Headman, villagers or territory?

In this war I was struck by some kind of Ishil's cruelty ...
And if from the Azerbaijani side this, well, somehow in an Asian way, still did not cause much surprise, then from the Armenians PERSONALLY I did not expect such cruelty ...
Now I know that ALL Caucasians are the same in their cruelty.
How could it be otherwise? For centuries they cut each other and the mutual hatred was driven under the carpet only by the Soviet regime.
I emphasize, I am not a hater of Caucasians, but there is such a black residue that I involuntarily spread to all of them ... Alas ...

and where does the Caucasus?
Are you a full movie of what is shown in the photo others like you saw?

And what is your video then? Are you aware of the context? He was a deserter, and they do not leave such people alive in the war, they would have treated him just as well.

[Serega_Sibiryak]

Better late than never.

[Seal]

What's the problem ? Is there any reason to doubt that the maps of the General Staff of the Red Army were the most accurate and objective? It is they who need to be guided by. Since there were deliberate distortions on public maps at that time. For example, for a long time the city of Gorky (Nizhny Novgorod) was placed on the maps of the USSR not on the left bank, but on the right. Therefore, only maps of the General Staff of the Red Army.

[Tatyana]

The Azerbaijani military refer to the map of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces from 1942, where the border, according to them, passes through the village of Shurnukh in the Syunit region. According to the Armenian side, the border between the countries runs near the village, and not through it. However, the Russian border guards who arrived at the scene are also guided by the maps of the Soviet General Staff when determining the state border.

I don't trust either Azerbaijanis or Russian peacekeepers! Something is clearly wrong here.

Indeed, it could not be so, in principle, that some national village on the map of Soviet times was administratively territorially divided in the middle by the border between the two Soviet republics - Armenia and Azerbaijan, like Berlin after WWII!

Most likely, the local Armenian residents of the village of Shurnukh are right when they say that the border, in fact, passed BELOW their village. The village is apparently mountainous.
And at the same time, from the side of Azerbaijan (Turkey) in Shurnukh there is still an elementary provocation against the Armenians. Muslims would leave people alone.

[Petro_tut]

For it could not be so, in principle, that some national village on the map of Soviet times was territorially divided in the middle by a geopolitical border between two Soviet republics - Armenia and Azerbaijan,

The village has certainly grown in size since the times of the USSR, new houses have been set up, and this is the result

[Tatyana]

Quote: Petro_tut

The village has certainly grown in size since the times of the USSR, new houses have been set up, and this is the result

However, the Azerbaijani side claims that the border between the Soviet republics ORIGINALLY passed on the Soviet maps exactly through the village of Shurnukh.

This in PRINCIPLE could not be!
The village of Shurnukh is not a post-war Berlin defeated by the Red Army and the anti-Hitler coalition to be divided by a border.

The Bolsheviks administratively divided the territories on the basis of the so-called. "titular nationality". At the same time, villages and cities were attributed to one or another republic entirely and completely.

The Azerbaijanis are lying. And the Russian peacekeepers, for their political illiteracy, agree with them.

[Petro_tut]

The Bolsheviks administratively divided the territories on the basis of the so-called. "titular nationality"

Not at all - Transnistria, Ukraine, two Ossetia, Bessarabia, NKR, northern Kazakhstan, the Nadterechny region, Dagestan, all these regions are cut without taking into account the ethnicity of the population, hence a lot of problems.

[Tatyana]

We had 15 national SSRs on the basis of some one conditionally so-called "TITLE NATIONALITY"!
In total, there were about 200 nationalities in the country, or even more.

Quote: Petro_tut

Transnistria, Ukraine, two Ossetia, Bessarabia, NKR, northern Kazakhstan, the Nadterechny region, Dagestan, all these regions are cut without taking into account the ethnicity of the population, hence a lot of problems.

But the Bolsheviks of the republic certainly did not divide the city of the Bolsheviks in terms of the POLse and the POL of the city!

[Flashpoint]

Tatyana, between the Republic of Belarus and Ukraine there are villages that are cut in half.
Here is an example:
https://people.onliner.by/2020/05/04/kak-zhivet-derevnya-razdelennaya-virusom
Russia - Ukraine: Chertkovo and Melovoe.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Flashpoint

between the Republic of Belarus and Ukraine there are villages that are cut in half.
Here is an example:
https://people.onliner.by/2020/05/04/kak-zhivet-derevnya-razdelennaya-virusom

An unfortunate example. Namely.

Now Ukrainian Dobryanka is a relatively large urban settlement. Poddobryanka, a small village on the Belarusian side, clung to him. Consider the Dobryanka microdistrict.

This, for example, is how St. Petersburg and Staraya Derevnya are now, which have now grown geographically so that they have merged borderingly even along the metro, but not administratively yet.
And 100 years ago they were completely territorially separate and separated from each other separate settlements.

[Flashpoint]

An unfortunate example. Namely.

And what were the boundaries of these settlements 100 years ago? 50 years? We have never seen such a moment: the regulations and acts on the object are deformed over the years.
This is a jungle! 2 neighbors live. Now one pile of sand will fill the second, then the second car will park under the windows at close range to the first. And away we go. So it is here. There will be old-timers who will describe who built and did what, how what burned down from whom and who drove his wife for treason for what bushes. Up to the point that the settlement was alone, until someone on the outskirts settled, and then self-named. And vice versa.
Objectively, I will not undertake to find a successful example that will suit everyone! :) With a candle from time immemorial did not stand, excuse me!
Only the terms de facto, de jure and "it happened historically" - please love and favor.

[hrych]

Quote: Tatiana

The example is unsuccessful.

What's the difference? First, woe to the vanquished. Secondly, Russophobia must be very expensive. This has already cost Armenia Karabakh (its overwhelming part is ours de facto, AzR de jure, but for the RA it has been lost forever), so the village quarter is a trifle. Maybe Sros will help or Macron?

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Rugayuzzo on you, Tatiana, but why? )))

[Seal]

The Tajik-Kyrgyz border is located in the north of Tajikistan, in the Sughd region. This is a densely populated area where Tajiks and Kyrgyz have been compactly living for several centuries. Tajik villages are here side by side with Kyrgyz auls.
For example, in order for a Tajik farmer to enter his field, he needs to cross a Kyrgyz village, and vice versa, in order for a Kyrgyz villager to get home, he needs to drive along the road belonging to the Tajik side.
"We have been living together with Tajiks for decades. I have no problems communicating with them, but we and they live in constant fear, fearing for the future of their children. We do not know what will happen tomorrow," says Bibiaisha Kurbanova, a Kyrgyz resident one of the border villages.
"Under a 2002 agreement between Dushanbe and Bishkek, the disputed areas were to be controlled by joint border, environmental, and police posts, but this was not done," says Tajik observer Negmatullo Mirsaidov.
Each side considers the territory where the last armed conflict on the Tajik-Kyrgyz border took place. https://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2014/05/140516_tajik_kyrgyz_border_report

[Seal]

Look. The divided village did not begin right from the start, but a little later. https://youtu.be/y-bN2wFGHVE

[Sergej1972]

In the USSR, there were also ASSR and autonomous regions within the union republics, and in the RSFSR there were also autonomous okrugs.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Tatiana

And the Russian peacekeepers, for their political illiteracy, agree with them.

What do the peacekeepers have to do with it?
There the border guards rule.

[Deniska999]

In Europe, it is not uncommon for the border to pass in the middle of the settlement. There is nothing surprising.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Deniska999

In Europe, it is not uncommon for the border to pass in the middle of the settlement. There is nothing surprising.

And Europeans have long been cramped in Europe. And in the days of Napoleon! And before WWI! And before WWII!
Europe is not an indicator for the vast territory of the former Russian Empire.
And we are now talking, moreover, about things that were 100 years old in Soviet Russia.

Still, the historical principle in inter-territorial disputes must be taken into account politically and historically correctly, not to measure an abstractly controversial situation by the standards of today, by analogy with the modern West.
As they say, each hut has its own rattles!

[Petr Vladimirovich]

But this is correct! The exhibition was in Maastricht, lived in Aachen. We went on a regular bus. Border in a small town, right in the middle of the central square ...

[akarfoxhound]

If you were even in the slightest bit versed in topography, you would keep your feminine "believe-not-believe" to yourself. Such precedents are not only between Azeris and Ars, between the same Russia and xoxliks in the middle of the village - as many as you like. Military topography is not a people with a GPS (with KVO for 3-6 meters perfectly), for your horizons it will be said that the coordinates of a nail driven into a cut of a tree trunk can be determined with absolute. The line of demarcation runs from point .... to other point .... (hereinafter in WGS-84 or our PZ-90 question ten, but it does not change the essence) And patriotism, emotions there or not - "mathematics and physics" is to the lantern. That's clearer?

[Lyuba1965_01]

In the city of Assola, the border runs between Italy and France, right in the middle of the city, so there are such precedents.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

And even through the house, the kitchen is here, the bedroom is here. Sorry, I forgot the title of the movie ...

[alone]

Quote: Petr Vladimirovich

Sorry, I forgot the title of the movie ...

The film is old. "Law is law." Franco-Italian border

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Thanks buddy!

[alone]

Quote: Petr Vladimirovich

Thanks buddy!

Yes, I'm always glad to tell you if I know anything

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Hailey the shakers!

[Petr Vladimirovich]

By the way, Iranian businessmen have two interesting expressions: hi is a big jew, this is about any strangers and colabardar - this is about their own. The meaning is identical ...)))

[Seal]

With Fernandel in the title role. A wonderful artist. For me, this is better than the eternally fussing Louis de Funes.

[alone]

Quote: Tatiana

The Azerbaijanis are lying.

No Tatyana .. You are lying .. and if not you, then those who sat in the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces and made this map lied .. I tend to believe the cards, not the headman of the village. And if you believe him more than the cards of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces ,
then you have nothing else to do here

[Tatyana]

And I rely on historical principles.
The Bolsheviks could not divide the same village in half during the formation of the USSR into different union and autonomous republics without any natural border! (Water-river for example.) Couldn't !!!
As for the staff officers of the USSR Armed Forces, under Stalin, many were shot for their sabotage and communication with the West in 1937-38.

So do not blame everything on the headman of the village and shield topographic maps of Soviet times!
In the headquarters, it is not necessary to solve political issues in bulk, not on paper from the end, but it is necessary to think about people on the ground.

[alone]

This village remains a part of the Armenian Republic .. What they built after the seizure of the adjacent territory goes to Azerbaijan .. the capture does not mean that this territory is historically yours ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: lonely

What they built after the seizure of the adjacent territory departs to Azerbaijan ..

Are you sure about that?
Nothing is written about this in the article.

The Azerbaijani military refer to the map of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces from 1942, where the border, according to them, passes through the village of Shurnukh in the Syunit region. According to the Armenian side, the border between the countries runs near the village, and not through it.

Quote: Avior

Looked at the location of Shurnukh village on existing online maps
On the iPhone, the border passes behind the village, the houses of the village are on the Armenian side. On Google maps, the border runs through the village, part of the village is Azerbaijani.

Quote: sedoj

And in fact, the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, as I understand it, the border should run along the locations (at the time of the ceasefire) of the opposing sides. So Baku blows up the fire and does not let it die out.

I personally believe that all this is a manifestation of Azerbaijani and Turkish chauvinism, which haunts Azerbaijanis and Turks in Azerbaijan - that Aliyev and Erdogan in the South Caucasus, and otherwise as a political provocation on their part aimed at aggravating the destabilization of the situation in the Caucasus, it is you will not name.

[alone]

Quote: Tatiana

I personally think that all this is a manifestation of Azerbaijani and Turkish chauvinism, which haunts Azerbaijanis and Turks in Azerbaijan - that Aliyev and Erdogan in the South Caucasus, and otherwise as a political provocation on their part aimed at aggravating the destabilization of the situation in the Caucasus, this is not you will name.

As a Russian person, you should be ashamed to call a people who have 300 Russian schools in the country, a university of Slavic languages ​​and where representatives of different nationalities live as a chauvinist ... The war was started in 1988 not by Azerbaijanis, but by mono-ethnic Armenia ... In the interests of Russia, first of all, put an end this conflict once and for all, taking into account international laws, and not at the will of the parties ... And international law is on the side of Azerbaijan ... even Putin said this several times ..

Quote: Tatiana

Are you sure about that?

I advise you to find maps and study the situation before talking about anything.

[alone]

Quote: Tatiana

You, Azerbaijanis, are bad, we, Russians, allies.

Well, on the other hand, you have good allies who burned your flags in Yerevan. Good luck with such allies.

Quote: Tatiana

Moreover, Erdogan repeatedly blurted out that Turkey needs to "pre-genocide" the Armenians in the Caucasus now, which they failed to do in 1915-1918. They were then stopped only by the Russians.

The fact is in the studio where it is and when Erdogan spoke. Again, lying and not blushing. Erdogan offered to open the archives to figure it out. The Turks opened the archives and your allies refused. Probably there is something to hide.

Quote: Tatiana

these 14 houses probably have children.
In the village, with its border demarcation, the social infrastructure is disrupted after the war. Where are these kids going to school? How many schools are there in the village? Probably one! And where is she? How will the children get into it?

Tomorrow I will come and buy a house on the Azerbaijani-Russian border in Russia, settle in a house with my children and demand that they have given the territory of this house to Azerbaijan, because my children have to go to an Azerbaijani school ... And according to you, the Russian government should act as You are proposing to us.

[Tatyana]

You have compared the incomparable!
All these people - they were your citizens in the USSR!

In general, a chauvinist - he is a chauvinist! The chauvinist's brains are on one side - he doesn't understand anything! Spinning like in a frying pan!

A flag in your hands for further hatred and a new war!

[alone]

Quote: Tatiana

You have compared the incomparable!
All these people - they were your citizens in the USSR!

This is a village located at the junction of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border ... This place has nothing to do with Nagorno-Karabakh ... The Armenians of Karabakh, yes, these are our citizens. The citizens of the Armenian SSR were not our citizens. Once again I strongly advise you to understand what is going on speech, and then speak.

[Tatyana]

Quote: lonely

This is a village located at the junction of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border ... This place has nothing to do with Nagorno-Karabakh ... The Armenians of Karabakh, yes, these are our citizens. The citizens of the Armenian SSR were not our citizens. Once again I strongly advise you to understand what is going on speech, and then speak.

Moreover, the border could not pass through the village !!!

[alone]

Quote: Tatiana

Moreover, the border could not pass through the village !!!

She did not pass through the village .. she passed near the village. After the occupation of the area, some residents of the village built houses there without permission .. now they have to leave them .. Self-righteousness does not mean that you have to assent to them. ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: lonely

She did not pass through the village ... she passed near the village. After the occupation of the area, some residents of the village built houses there without permission.

You have 25 again!
It is written in the article specifically about the 1942 map!

The Azerbaijani military refer to the map of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces from 1942, where the border, according to them, passes through the village of Shurnukh in the Syunit region.

What kind of occupation of the territory of Azerbaijan by the Armenians in 1942 can we talk about ?! Thanks to which, in your opinion, the Armenians built houses without permission in Azerbaijan! You are completely confused!
And that the Azerbaijani border guards have not noticed THIS since 1942, and have not demanded that the Armenians get out of the Azerbaijani territory ?! Who will believe you?
Stop fooling Vanka! Azerbaijan does not make ends meet in this matter!
Armenians speak correctly.

According to the Armenian side, the border between the countries runs near the village, and not through it. However, the Russian border guards who arrived at the scene are also guided by the maps of the Soviet General Staff when determining the state border since 1942.

From here I draw quite logical CONCLUSIONS.
It was the Azerbaijanis who were lying!
And it was not the Armenians who entered the territory of Azerbaijan, but at the headquarters of Azerbaijan on paper they quietly sabotagely moved their border to the territory of Armenia!
They painted another border between Armenia and Azerbaijan on the military map, quietly not meeting the former reality! That's all. This is called document fraud.
Tell me that this could not be? And it turns out that it could! And not such documents are falsified.
And the time was then such that everything like this and even not like that, in principle, could be!

[alone]

Quote: Tatiana

From here I draw quite logical CONCLUSIONS.
It was the Azerbaijanis who were lying!

We are talking about the war of 1991 1994. Armenians occupied the territory of this region in 93m. There is even a UN Security Council resolution on this matter .. I see a dispute with you does not make sense because you are completely unfamiliar with the history of conflict. And you are guided simply by a dull hatred of Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan in general .. Very sorry. I wish you all the best.

[Tatyana]

Quote: lonely

We are talking about the war of 1991-1994. Armenians occupied the territory of this region in 93m.

And the article deals with the borders of 1942 !!! So figure it out for yourself! The Azerbaijani chauvinists do not logically make ends meet!
Understand the problem. See my comment below.

[Tatyana]

Quote: lonely

You are guided simply by stupid hatred of Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan in general.

I am guided by concern in our relations between Azerbaijan and Russia. Chauvinism, which under the influence of Turkey and Erdogan rushes from Aliyev and Azerbaijanis. It will all end in war. Do you personally need it? I don’t!
But it will be so - and through your Azerbaijani fault!

[Seal]

And that the Azerbaijani border guards have not noticed THIS since 1942, and have not demanded that the Armenians get out of the Azerbaijani territory ?! Who will believe you?
Stop fooling Vanka! Azerbaijan does not make ends meet in this matter!

What were the "Azerbaijani border guards" in 1942 and later ?? During the Soviet era, there were no Azerbaijani, Armenian, Russian, Ukrainian, Tajik and so on border guards. There were only Soviet border guards. And there were Soviet border guards only on the outer border of the USSR. And the borders between the union republics were purely administrative. So who's actually playing Vanka?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Seal

And the borders between the union republics were purely administrative. So who's actually playing Vanka?

Exactly - who's playing Vanka?
It is about the very administrative border between Azerbaijan and Armenia. since 1942.
At first. And where are the original maps of the administrative-territorial division between these republics before 1942? In theory, they should be.
Secondly. And why do Armenians have these maps dated 1942 do not coincide with the maps of Azerbaijan?
At the same time, even if we assume that the Bolsheviks initially passed the administrative border until 1942 not through the Armenian village (which most likely was the case and with which the Azerbaijani participants in principle agreed) and the Armenians allegedly climbed into Azerbaijani territory by 1942, according to Azerbaijan (so, according to them, it allegedly turns out), then why did the Azerbaijanis not demand that the Armenians get out of their Azerbaijani territory back home until 1942? Why was this issue not resolved and not resolved then? What were these strange games in the General Staff of Azerbaijan that were hidden from local Armenians?

And we know how, under Soviet rule, the Azerbaijanis in 1922 seized lands from the Armenians, which the Soviet government gave them to the Armenians. In particular, we are talking about Nagorno-Karabakh. The question was then let go by the Soviet authorities. Breathe what happened!
And Azerbaijan's policy in the Caucasus has not changed at all since then. Namely.

At the same time, attention is drawn to the rhetoric of Aliyev himself. At the Victory Parade in Baku, Aliyev has already stated openly about the alleged right of Azerbaijan to the whole of Yerevan and all the lands of Armenia, and even to the lands of Iran! Watch the video!

Aliyev wants Yerevan: Azerbaijan announced the rights to the lands of Armenia and Iran. • 11 Dec. 2020 year


And if we talk in the long term about the political ambitions of Turkey and Erdogan, whom Aliyev calls "his Brother", then we should speak directly about the expansion of Turkey into Russia and other countries of the former USSR together with Azerbaijan!
And what kind of confidence in Azerbaijan on the part of thinking Russians can we talk about?
There is much more material on this issue, since it is full on the internet

RUSSIA IN FURY! Turkey claims the territory of Russia. • Dec 30. Feb 2020

[Lyuba1965_01]

Sun! Nothing will go downhill.
On the contrary, the occupancy of the Russian sector, from kindergartens to universities, is only growing.
In schools, the classrooms of the Russian sector are overcrowded, in the universities in the Russian sector there is not a single free space, and everywhere, from kindergartens to universities, there are more and more citizens of Azerbaijan.
And yet Russia is not an ally of Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia.
But there are only 3 Turkish lyceums in Baku, and this is despite the fact that Turkey is an ally of Azerbaijan.
Are you lamenting that Turkey is bad, that Erdogan genocide the Armenians?
Yes, there was no genocide, there was a simple reaction of the state, which was in a state of war for the betrayal of the Armenians of Turkey as a country where these Armenians lived, and for cooperation with the enemies with whom Turkey fought.
Well, there is no question of any genocide at all, because what kind of "genocide" is this if in one part of Turkey the Armenians are dealt with while they live peacefully in another part of Turkey.
Turkey's ambitions? Why do you deny the right to have ambitions to other states? Any country, including Russia, has ambitions, and this is normal.
Assimilating the Armenians - this has never been discussed before. Armenians in Karabakh had their schools, lived according to their customs, had their own temples and churches, and no one forbade them anything.
But let's look at this situation differently.
Tatars have their own autonomy within the Russian Federation, have their own schools, mosques, can live according to their own laws and customs, while still obeying the laws of the Russian Federation and studying the Russian language as a language of interethnic communication in the Russian Federation.
And at one fine moment, the Tatars drive out or kill all Russians, declare that they are separating, that they are already a new state and in the future plan to join, well, for example, Turkey, and at the same time they seize the Russian lands surrounding Tatarstan, motivating it is because they need a "safety belt".
What will be your reaction to this? Would you agree to lose the territory of your country, which is actually turning into a separate state on the territory of the Russian Federation, because Tatarstan is surrounded by Russian lands?
Will you shout in the same way if Russia brings its troops there to restore order there, about the evil Russians?
Will you agree to another state within Russia?

[Anar]

Oh, how nasty you are ..... Say what you know and what you don’t know. Lizh would blurt out .....

[Tatyana]

Quote: Anar

Oh, how nasty you are ..... Say what you know and what you don’t know. Lizh would blurt out .....

Not more disgusting than you.

[Seal]

After all, in Azerbaijan, before the collapse of the USSR, all this Russian and Russian-speaking was 4 times more.

and in the Armenian SSR, before the collapse of the USSR, there were 10 (ten) times more Russian and Russian-speaking. This means that the Armenians are 2,5 times more chauvinistic.
About allies. Azerbaijan was our ally when it was a member of the CSTO. But in those years we had a strongly pro-Armenian position and therefore, disappointed in the CSTO's ability to resolve this conflict, Azerbaijan in 1999 did not renew its membership in the CSTO. So, now we need to try hard so that Azerbaijan again becomes our full-fledged and full-fledged ally.

[Artavazdych]

Villages in Armenia, as well as in Russia, could not grow anywhere during this time. Just the opposite. Even more than that, the population of Armenia during the years of the collapse of the USSR has decreased by more than a million, that is, by a third.

[alone]

Quote: Artavazdych

Villages in Armenia, as well as in Russia, could not grow anywhere during this time.

10 houses have been built there .. which are legally located on the territory of Azerbaijan .. there are maps .. do you think it is easy to take and add kilometers to yourself?

[paul3390]

Something is clearly wrong here.

"Woe to the vanquished!" (c) Brenn

[sedoj]

Quote: Tatiana

Indeed, it could not be so, in principle, that some national village on the map of Soviet times was administratively territorially divided in the middle by the border between the two Soviet republics - Armenia and Azerbaijan, like Berlin after WWII!

Read about the village of Chertkovo in the Rostov region. Maybe you will discover something new for yourself. There is no perfection in the world.

[Tatyana]

Quote: sedoj

Read about the village of Chertkovo in the Rostov region. Maybe you will discover something new for yourself. There is no perfection in the world.

An example is historically unfortunate.

The history of the village began in connection with the construction of the Voronezh-Rostov railway (later a section of the South-Eastern railway) on the border of the Don Cossack region and the Kharkov province - when the Chertkovo railway station began to function. The station was founded on July 8, 1869 and named after the Military Ataman Mikhail Ivanovich Chertkov, at whose request the construction of the railway line was started.
Then, on both sides of the railway, the construction of workers' barracks and private houses, etc. began.

Thus it turned out that the railway line of the North Caucasian Railway (Chertkovo station) runs through the village, which actually serves as a dividing strip between the Russian side (Chertkovo village) and the Ukrainian (Melovoe village, Melovsky district, Luhansk region).

And the state border between Russia and Ukraine has been declared since 1991, and not from 1917-1922, along Druzhby Narodov Street, located south of the railway line. Thus, the houses on the even side of the street are Russian, and on the odd side are Ukrainian. Accordingly, the villages are located in different time zones and have a time difference.

[sedoj]

This was an example of the division of the village itself. And in fact, the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, as I understand it, the border should run along the locations (at the time of the ceasefire) of the opposing sides. So Baku blows up the fire and does not let it die out.

[Tatyana]

Quote: sedoj

This was an example of the division of the village itself. But in essence, the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, as I understand it, the border should run along the locations (at the time of the ceasefire) of the warring parties. So Baku blows up the fire and does not let it die out.

That's right, Sergei! I absolutely agree with you!
Here I am about the same thing that the Azerbaijanis, like the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass, under various pretexts have learned not only to seize the so-called "gray zone" after the separation of the armed parties and the withdrawal of military equipment, but also move forward at their discretion, voluntaristically taking the agreed upon already between sides of the territory of the former enemy.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Such nonsense. Azerbaijan occupies territories in accordance with the signed agreement. All regions of Azerbaijan included in the Azerbaijan SSR at the time of the collapse of the USSR are liberated by Armenia and transferred back to Azerbaijan. Except for the unconquered territories of the NKR.
The houses, over which there is a dispute, are located on the territory of the Azerbaijan SSR, respectively, should be returned to Azerbaijan, which was confirmed by the Russian border guards who arrived at the scene, guided by the maps of the Soviet General Staff when determining the state border.

[Sergeant]

Azerbaijanis are where they should be - on the Azerbaijani land. And Azerbaijanis are not afraid to live side by side - next to the Armenians. But if the Armenians are afraid of this, these are their problems, let them find a new planet for "great Armenia".

[Tatyana]

Quote: Sergeant

Azerbaijanis are not afraid to live side by side - next to the Armenians.

Then why are you behaving in such a way that the native Armenians hate you and do not want to live next to you and do not expect anything good from you? Why don't Armenians trust you Azerbaijanis?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

Then why are you behaving in such a way that the native Armenians hate you and do not want to live next to you and do not expect anything good from you? Why don't Armenians trust you Azerbaijanis?

Are the Armenians, too, something affectionate and fluffy?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

Why don't Armenians trust you Azerbaijanis?

a group of Russian servicemen in Gyumri. Here it is.

"Open letter to the Deputy Minister of Defense of Armenia General N. Abrahamyan

I had a son. There were expectations, joys, hopes ... It is unbearably painful to write about this in the past tense. You killed my son, general! He killed along with his soldiers - the whole calculation of ZU-23. Three months passed after that. I'm trying and I can’t understand your psychology. How did this vile murder become possible? And who is its organizer? Deputy Minister of Defense! But you, the general, yourself served in the Armed Forces of the USSR for 34 years ...

Our son and his soldiers did not give you the weapons that their homeland entrusted to them. With all their behavior in the last hours of their life, they did not shame the glories of this weapon. And what glory did you get for Armenia? I am deeply convinced that if your bandits were in the place of our guys, they would drop their weapons and scatter. And I’m sure because only cowards with an overwhelming superiority in forces could do so meanly. You, the general, traded the army, the glory of which is known to the whole world, for a crowd of bandits, consisting of half of criminals. Using the cowardice, and perhaps the venality of our command in Leninakan, you became insolent that you decided to put the lives of young guys from the army of a friendly country on the sacrificial stone. You have a short memory! Weren't these guys three and a half years ago pulling out your compatriots from the ruins of Leninakan and Spitak after the earthquake? Was this army helping to rebuild the cities of Armenia? So, it turns out that you fully paid for the help.

In the very first days after the funeral, I wanted to send curses to you, General, on behalf of all the mothers and fathers of the executed soldiers, but decided that it was better to do this in an open letter through the newspaper. Let everyone know about you, and first of all your children. And if after that you can calmly look into their eyes, then you are just not a human being.

With deep contempt

Ivan SHAPOVALOV - father of Lieutenant Alexander SHAPOVALOV. "

Forgot?

[Flashpoint]

(Vladimir)
Forgot?

Very apt!
We are waiting for Tatiana's reaction! And then there is already the entire thread on the forum trying to ustakanit her ardor.
It seems to me that someone is in an unpaid debt to Russia, and gratitude cannot be expected ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Flashpoint

We are waiting for Tatiana's reaction!

I already got the minus ...

[Flashpoint]

I already got the minus ...

And I plus on top!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Flashpoint

And I plus on top!

Thank you! By God, they are so modestly silent about Lieutenant Shapovalov. But the Armenians shot the whole platoon.

[Flashpoint]

Here is the link!

Lieutenant Shapovalov did not betray weapons
On July 10, 1992, in the center of Gyumri (Leninakan), a Russian paratroopers car was shot from an ambush

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http://rosgeroika.ru/geroi-nashego-vremeni/2013/july/lejtenant-shapovalov-oruzhiya-ne-predal?page=1

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Flashpoint

On July 10, 1992, in the center of Gyumri (Leninakan), a Russian paratroopers car was shot from an ambush

Yes, I remember. The Armenians wanted to take away their weapons. And then soaked from all the attics.

[Lyuba1965_01]

And with whom of their neighbors do Armenians get along?
They make territorial claims to all their neighbors, living with myths about "Great Armenia" and because of this they have turned everyone against themselves.
So, maybe it is the Armenians who should accept objectivity and not pester everyone with their "original" territories, which may have been theirs once, but have long been part of other countries ..

[Avior]

Such villages, divided in half, are not a wonder
Cretaceous, on the border of Russia and Ukraine

And it is not the only one

[113262a]

Yes, there was a border right in the middle of the roadway near the oil depot! Nobody hovered! Now DEMARKED!)))

[wmn5500]

I don't trust either Azerbaijanis or Russian peacekeepers!

I don’t remember a single case that you would believe the Azerbaijanis. You only have faith in the Armenians. Which indicates your commitment on their part.

[Bakinec]

The border is where it should be. It's just that the inhabitants of the village of Shurnukh, after the occupation of Azerbaijani territories, forgot about the border (thinking that these territories would remain with them forever) and built several more houses for themselves, some for children, and crossed the border. And now they are beating their heads against the wall that they say these lands have belonged to them for 10 million years (purely in Armenian).

[Sergeant]

And when 30 years ago the Armenians created a "security belt" from the primordial Azerbaijani lands and throughout the entire time destroyed, exploited, plundered the wealth of Azerbaijan, did anyone ask why, on what basis?

[Foreman]

Ours will be cut?

[akarfoxhound]

Who is yours?

[Quadro]

It's funny. Armenians love the rake. They left the Roman emperors - they immediately got rid of the neighbors, they left the Byzantine emperors - they immediately got rid of the Seljuks, they left the Russian tsars - they got rid of the Ottomans. Did they even teach history?

[YOUR]

They became such bold after the entry of the Turkish army and tanks and aircraft ...

[venik]

"....Recall that at the end of December, Baku demanded to give up half of the Shurnukh village, according to the new border, .... "
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Pancake! It's begun! ..... Now try to figure it out!

[Polymer]

Quote: venik

Pancake! Started!

It began many centuries ago, alas. History so far provides the only way to achieve peace in those parts - when the "elder brother" comes, he slaps both of them on the head and says: live in peace, otherwise I will put both in a corner. More or less like this...

[venik]

Quote: Polymer

It began many centuries ago, alas.

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Wrongly put it! It was necessary: ​​"Renewed" !!
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Quote: Polymer

History so far provides the only way to achieve peace in those parts - when the "elder brother" comes, he slaps both of them on the head and says: live in peace, otherwise I will put both in a corner. More or less like this...

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In! And if something goes wrong (someone disagrees) - to whom will the "arrows translate"? Oh and difficult job our guys got it!

[Polymer]

Quote: venik

Oh, and our guys got a difficult job!

Yes, you are not jealous.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: venik

Oh and difficult job our guys got it!

And what is the relation of "MC" to the demorcation of the borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan?

[venik]

Quote: Lara Croft

And what is the relation of "MC" to the demorcation of the borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan?

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Alas! The most direct! There, at any moment, a "mess" can form. And who should "put out the fire"? Exactly - "MS"!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: venik

Quote: Lara Croft

And what is the relation of "MC" to the demorcation of the borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan?

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Alas! The most direct! There, at any moment, a "mess" can form. And who should "put out the fire"? Exactly - "MS"!

Why is that? By what rule of law is this spelled out and why does this burden of settlement lie on the Russian MCs, are these your personal wishes or can you substantiate normatively?

[Petro_tut]

Are these your personal wishes or can you substantiate normatively?

It is not important who wants what, but it is important who will have to rake it all out

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Petro_tut

who will have to rake it all

And who will force the Russian Federation to do this?

[venik]

Quote: Lara Croft

Why is that? By what rule of law is this spelled out and why does this burden of settlement lie on the Russian MCs, are these your personal wishes or can you substantiate normatively?

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Dear Lara Croft, what are you kidding or pretend to be dumb? What is the "normative rationale" for the manifesto? There is a conflict (between Armenians and Azerbaijanis) in one particular village, which, as is usually customary in the Caucasus, begins with spore, then grows into quarrel, then in a fight, then in dope, and then goes into action fire weapon (and there it was back in the days of the USSR - it was in every sakla!
WHO will have to "extinguish" the fire ???
The answer is unequivocal: to our guys from "MC"!
Really such simple truth DOES NOT INCLUDE?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: venik

What is the "normative rationale" for the manifesto?

I want to remind you that the presence of our troops on the territory of Azerbaijan (NKR) is enshrined in the Agreement on our presence there in the Agreement, which clearly defines the role and status of our "MS", the latter do not have the powers of the Foreign Ministry, border troops and the Armed Forces of the two countries (Armenia and Azerbaijan ) .... so do not spite and do not hang someone else's work on our "MS", if you cannot substantiate from the point of law, the obligation of our "MS" to settle territorial disputes between Armenia and Azerbaijan, do not write anything better, just put on the sly cons, like your companions and all ...

WHO will have to "extinguish" the fire ??? The answer is unequivocal: to our guys from MC!

Only for you and other minusers and it is unambiguous, when you give a document according to which our "MC" should do this, then we will talk ...

For especially stubborn "couch patriots" I give a link to the text of the Agreement ...
https://www.znak.com/2020-11-09/v_nkr_vvodyatsya_rossiyskie_mirotvorcy_polnyy_tekst_sovmestnogo_zayavleniya_3_stran

[venik]

Quote: Lara Croft

I would like to remind you that the presence of our troops on the territory of Azerbaijan (NKR) is enshrined in the Agreement on our presence there in the Agreement, which clearly defines the role and status of our "MS"

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Dear Larochka! That's when you cite (for public viewing "TEXT of trilateral agreements on the introduction of" MS "in Karabakh and the use of 102 Base forces in peacekeeping operations .... That's when it will be"subject for discussion"......
And what you brought: (https://www.znak.com/2020-11-09/v_nkr_vvodyatsya_rossiyskie_mirotvorcy_polnyy_tekst_sovmestnogo_zayavleniya_3_stran) ....
It is for "squeeze for the media "... AND NO MORE!
PS And all your "+" and "-", I'm sorry, I deeply DO NOT care!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: venik

That's when you cite (for public viewing "TEXT of trilateral agreements on the introduction of" MS "in Karabakh and the use of the 102 Base forces in peacekeeping operations .... That's when it will be"subject for discussion"......

E ... oh won't it crack or have you been banned from Google? Who are you for me to look for you? Or mine

"squeeze for the media" ...

can you protest and can you bring counter-arguments to it?
I gave you a counterargument to your nonsense

The answer is unequivocal: our guys from MC!

и

And who should "put out the fire"? Exactly - "MS"!

you cannot confirm your words with documents, there is nothing to write nonsense here ...

And all your "+" and "-", I'm sorry, I deeply DO NOT care!

putting me "- - -", the hero too ... how tired you are of writing nonsense and then flying in a flock of jackals ... they made a garbage dump from the site ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: venik

Oh, and our guys got a difficult job!

Uh-huh. And how they mocked our Cossacks: "Look, the reeds are crawling!"

[Petro_tut]

when the "big brother" comes,

There, a second cousin also drew attention, with drones, now you also have to reckon with him

[venik]

Quote: Petro_tut

There, a second cousin also drew attention, with drones, now you also have to reckon with him

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This is - yes! The Caucasus is another "cauldron" where something is always boiling, bubbling, gurgling - you gape a little - you look and "the lid will rip off"! And what is important - all those around are trying to put "naughty handles" in there and pull out a piece fatter! Just look!
PS Henry Kutner had such a humorous story called: "Cauldron with troubleand "..... And our guys in this" cauldron " order suggest .... Good luck to them and Happy New Year!

[max702]

Quote: Polymer

Quote: venik

Pancake! Started!

It began many centuries ago, alas. History so far provides the only way to achieve peace in those parts - when the "elder brother" comes, he slaps both of them on the head and says: live in peace, otherwise I will put both in a corner. More or less like this...

And what is it for the elder brother? So that both of them hated him? Or because "Russia must!" ? Is that the point?

[Polymer]

Quote: max702

And what is it for the elder brother?

So that the "older brother" has peace and tranquility on its outskirts. And so that no "second cousins" open their mouths. Reasonable?

[max702]

What are its outskirts? Armenia chtol? what's valuable there? Apart from the eternal crap with one cunning nation, there is no sense there, Russia does not border on Armenia directly, but borders on Azerbaijan and Turkey and there are no problems and what? We would somehow miraculously send these characters home do not need them, we have one crime and no use .. Inhumane? Yes, and do not care! It's time to think about your interests, and not think about the fraternal peoples ... They basically don't think about us, which means there should be a similar attitude towards them ...

[Polymer]

Russia borders with Azerbaijan - so if there is a war on its territory, will it be bad for the Russian Federation or not?

Quote: max702

and Turkey and no problems and what?

I would not be so optimistic about Turkey.

Quote: max702

It's time to think about your interests

In this case, it is - Russia is pursuing its own interests. You see, it was no longer possible to sit out in your "hut on the edge".

[max702]

No, you are distorting, what is bad that we will have a single border with Azerbaijan? Yes, and Turkey as an ally (and all recent projects say that it is an ally) is an order of magnitude more profitable than Armenia. As we know, in those parts of the world, just all the problems and problems are due to Armenians .. can we solve this issue once and for all? Let's close this page of history, because as we see the Armenians do not want to live in their state and have spread all over the world professing the principle of "homeland is where there is warmth" (otherwise how to explain the millions of diasporas in other countries) why would they want Armenia to fight for it they did not want everything in the markets and in the kebabs. Therefore, we will border on one Azerbaijan .. And the hut on the edge is not for us, the Armenian lobby begged the GDP of peacekeepers in Karabakh, because otherwise there would be zero Armenian presence there. the same diaspora in Russia would be a disaster. Our interests are not there, but the memory of the past pushes us to these extremely unprofitable actions for us, which was good 100 or 50 years ago absolutely does not matter now .. I will repeat myself more cynically and more practical ..
rs: Then a good friend told me that we would lose an ally, to which I immediately told him this ally for his land does not want to move, but what can we say about Russia? How will this ally help us? With this, you don't need enemies .. After the end of the database, he fully admitted that I was right, I had the courage ..

[Polymer]

In September 2013, two Israeli-made Anchor ballistic missiles were launched from the Mediterranean Sea. In such cases, it is necessary to warn the nuclear powers through diplomatic channels so that they do not think anything - but this was not done. The calculation was that the missiles were stealthy and nobody would see them. The air defense of Syria, towards which the shells flew, was in the dark, but the Russian early warning system recorded the launches.

At the same time, information slipped through that the launches were discovered precisely thanks to the WB in Gyumri. I don’t know why, there’s no radar station there. In any case - no lyrics, "our interests" are there, and they, these interests, are strictly tied to the security of the Russian Federation itself.

[max702]

It seems like they were discovered by the Voronezh ZGRLS, which is by no means in Gyumri, and all these tales about Armenia are nothing more than inventions of the aborigines in order to show their necessity for Russia .. In Gyumri there is equipment from the 70s that can only suppress a riot in Armenia itself or threaten Azerbaijan its presence and no more, it is not capable of a DB in a modern conflict, and the downed MI-24 without modern means of protection against MANPADS perfectly confirms this ... Our base from there should be withdrawn as quickly as possible because they are hostages in local games and no more at the expense of the Russian taxpayer, it does not solve any military political tasks there, but is at the pleas of the Armenian diaspora of Russia as the only combat-ready unit in those parts ... Russia's security will be much higher if not a single of our soldiers are there ...

[Petr Vladimirovich]

It is right!

[Vadim_888]

... The local population calls the demarcation of the border illegal.

Vae victis
Woe to the vanquished ...

[Herman 4223]

The situation is heating up. I wonder whether Armenia will swallow a slap in the face or not.

[Revolver]

Quote: Herman 4223

.I wonder Armenia will swallow a slap in the face

Do you have any other options in mind?
That's the same.

[Petro_tut]

Interestingly Armenia will swallow a slap in the face or not.

Does she have options now?

[Herman 4223]

There are always options. For example, find fresher cards and submit your claims.

[Petro_tut]

The most recent in this story are those published before August 1991

[Avior]

But on fresh maps it is somehow different
?
The article says that the Armenians have other information, but it is not clear which cards they rely on

[akarfoxhound]

Those. Do you think that in 72-year maps the borders of the republics differ from the same 86? Or are you counting on the rapid movement of tectoplite?

[Herman 4223]

Azerbaijan used maps from 1942, administrative boundaries could have changed until 1991.

[ashot1973]

I think not Syunik but Syunik ...

[Sergeant]

But there is no one to tell them about it ...

You believed that your patrons would always protect you, stand behind you, and wage war instead of you. You think the whole world owes you. You want to run your country with this harmful and diseased mindset that someone has to come and help you. And what are you capable of? If you always grab onto someone and hope for some kind of privilege, then what are you capable of doing? This thinking, one might say, has led your society in the wrong direction. And today you are unhappy with everyone. And today they are making claims to everyone, why no one protects us. Who should protect you? You are an independent country - if I may say so - and you live like an independent country, first of all. Secondly, you have taken over someone else's land. A million people were left homeless. They destroyed all buildings, houses, cities. You behaved like savages. Justice is not on your side, international law is not on your side, the truth is not on your side. Why do Armenians completely reject the laws of international law and refer in their reflections to the historical chronicles of a thousand years ago? Does any of the modern countries exist today within the boundaries of the XNUMXst or XNUMXnd century AD? Maybe France, Germany or Russia? You thought you would save these lands forever. They believed that time would pass, generations would change, the Azerbaijani people would forget this and put up with this situation. You are mistaken. I can say that we won the information war. We won on the battlefield, won in the information space, won on the political plane. But propaganda built on lies became fatal for the country.

[akarfoxhound]

Here's to scratch - I do not harbor love for either one or the other hunchbacked. And this is to put it mildly (with the Armenians, especially the newcomers (who descended from the mountains for salt during the first Karabakh) in the same Armavir, the cadets fought fiercely), with the Azeris in another garrison he had already "met" as an officer, and in the north. But, for the adequacy of the assessment, the story should be read without the Christian-patriotic rose-colored glasses.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Armenia has no border guards ?! How did they get there, the Azerbaijani military ?!

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

How did they get there, the Azerbaijani military ?!

Maybe they came on foot.
Maybe we arrived on typewriters.

[sustav75]

Something Armenians were completely persecuted! Humiliation after humiliation! And Pashinyan is still in his place today! Apparently they show their ambition only in the Russian markets!

[antiaircrafter]

Everything is more wonderful and more wonderful.
We must prepare the sofa for battles again.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

And don't forget the beer, ideally with shrimps ...)))

[Thrifty]

This is already arbitrary! They act from the position of the strong, like “the winner can do anything!” This is how the Armenians reap their defeat in the Karabakh war! I am sure that all this is done with the filing of Erdogad! !!

[Bakinec]

Yes, of course, "evil", "insidious" Erdogan spoiled the GPS equipment of the Russian peacekeepers and took away 12 houses of the village of Shurnukh, dealt a crushing blow to Russia's interests in the Transcaucasus.
We need to prepare "calibers" for battle.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Bakinec

We need to prepare "calibers" for battle.

And chips!

[Cron]

Pashinyan reminded Russia of contacts with the Third Reich

It is also necessary to divide Yerevan in half. As a consolation for the Armenians, leave the Natsik Nzhdeh and some values ​​there.

[akarfoxhound]

Hey, buddy, have you ever met the Armenian "ishakoebs" who came down from the mountains for salt in your daily life in the North Caucasus? Local Armenians (Krasnodar Territory) could not stand these "fellow countrymen", monkeys with mountain traditions. Not only were they stupid and quick to everything, but they were also "courageous" in battle - she was a cadet - the name of the export version of the Russian Mi-8 in Armenia is "Mi-eight ti one". These Karabakh horsemen, even two of them, did not rock the boat in the evening, if one or two of them run up from around the corner, it means there is a "brave" crowd around the corner, then on this "Armenian feat" these monkeys were caught, marks on the thighs with stars from buckles of army belts left. A good thing, wound on a hand with a swing - stitches 5 mm plywood. Any more questions for the "friendship of peoples"?

[Cron]

There can be no respect for the weak. At best, they are shown pity, usually just despised

[Nikolaevich I]

Does the appetite come with eating? E-he-he ... it was time to collect stones ... time to throw them away?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

They will soon begin to divide the village ditches there.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

They will soon begin to divide the village ditches there.

And toilets.

[svoit]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Armenia has no border guards ?! How did they get there, the Azerbaijani military ?!

The border in many places is not marked, there is no cp, no border pillars, but there are newer maps, just in the mid-80s, that's where you can see

[Graz]

I think that this was not the last war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, both sides will prepare revenge, 100%

[tatra]

It was not enough for the enemies of the communists that they divided the USSR among themselves, which they themselves recognized as their crime, when they cowardly dumped responsibility for the dismemberment of the USSR on the Soviet communists, they even after that began to chop off territories from each other.

[Lara Croft]

The Azerbaijani military refer to the map of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces from 1942, where the border, according to them, passes through the village of Shurnukh in the Syunit region.

After 1942, did the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces order more maps?

[Adimius38]

in such a way, you can claim the right to half of Yerevan. And big brother will stand and clap his eyes. Azerbaijan knows about this and therefore becomes impudent.

[Petro_tut]

in this way, you can claim the right to half of Yerevan. And big brother will stand and clap his eyes.

Of course they can declare, but this is already a territory of recognition by the world community, and an attempt to seize it will already be an attack on a CSTO member with the ensuing consequences ...

[Adimius38]

Yes, we know all these ensuing consequences ..... to have a tough answer, you need to have a core, but since the collapse of the USSR there is none. But there are many effective managers with their dual citizenship. Here's to express this concern on ours.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Adimius38

in such a way, you can claim the right to half of Yerevan. And big brother will stand and clap his eyes. Azerbaijan knows about this and therefore becomes impudent.

And Aliyev at the Victory Parade in Baku has already stated openly about the alleged right of Azerbaijan to all of Yerevan and all the lands of Armenia, and even to the lands of Iran!

Aliyev wants Yerevan: Azerbaijan announced the rights to the lands of Armenia and Iran. • 11 Dec. Feb 2020

[Tatyana]

And if we talk about the prospect of the political ambitions of Turkey and Erdogan, then we should speak directly about the expansion of Turkey into Russia and other countries of the former USSR.

RUSSIA IN FURY! Turkey claims the territory of Russia. • Dec 30. Feb 2020

[yfast]

The seizure of the territory of a member of the CSTO. I wonder where the Russians come from?

[Petro_tut]

I wonder where the Russians come from?

Like the rest - from Eurasia

[Lord of the Sith]

Hmm, what's the difference between churkistan and churkistan?

To divide between very specific houses on a national basis is terry nationalism.

[yfast]

Quote: Petro_tut

I wonder where the Russians come from?

Like the rest - from Eurasia

Thanks, I didn't know. Russian military, I mean. It is unlikely that they live in Armenia in every village.

[Petro_tut]

Russian military, I mean.

Is the option from the base in Gyumri suitable?

[Azimuth]

Quote: Lara Croft

The Azerbaijani military refer to the map of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces from 1942, where the border, according to them, passes through the village of Shurnukh in the Syunit region.

After 1942, did the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces order more maps?

Nonsense, of course, we have a super cartographer or topographer, the level of which is indicated by the fact that the name of the region of Armenia is incorrectly given in the title of the article ...

Quote: Tatiana

The Azerbaijani military refer to the map of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces from 1942, where the border, according to them, passes through the village of Shurnukh in the Syunit region. According to the Armenian side, the border between the countries runs near the village, and not through it. However, the Russian border guards who arrived at the scene are also guided by the maps of the Soviet General Staff when determining the state border.

I don't trust either Azerbaijanis or Russian peacekeepers!

Madam, I endured for a long time and did not climb, but please, if you are a Russian woman, even if you are of Armenian nationality, you are OBLIGED to respect our servicemen, the policy of our country, even towards Armenia. If you are a citizen of Armenia, then behave yourself decently on the Russian resource and do not be greyhound.
It will be half a century ago that I have the misfortune to live in the neighborhood of your nation. It is unhappiness because your inflated conceit and ingratitude do not give me the opportunity to change my opinion for the better about all of you in general, even by touching and communicating with the worst and last among you.
Now we have saved thousands of lives of your soldiers, provided conditions for the return of tens of thousands to their homes, helped and are helping, restore shelter, housing, and provide security. Perhaps someone will say that you should kiss the boots of our peacekeepers, but I’m not even asking that, I have only one request - HAVE RESPECT AND GRATITUDE.
Reading opuses like you on Facebook and Telegram channels, I reproached Uncle Vova more than once, he was too hasty, could not stand the pause as needed. Our broad soul and feeling of pity for the poor played a cruel joke on us again ... And after reading everything that people like you have scribbled to us on the birthday of their Bendery, the hero of Nzhdeh, I think that I will not be silent anymore, nor will I forgive you for those decent few. It was still necessary to let the Azerbaijanis beat all the nonsense out of you and to the fullest. And we need to legislatively provide for the possibility of depriving our citizenship of those of you who sprinkle hatred and pour slop on our country, IMHO, we do not need such citizens.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Azimuth

Madam, I endured for a long time and did not climb, but please, if you are a Russian woman, even if you are of Armenian nationality, you are OBLIGED to respect our servicemen, the policy of our country even towards Armenia.

I am Russian and I am Russian - and there is no Armenian, Azeri, Ukrainian or other national blood in me! I think in the interests of the Russian state and the state of the Russians forming Russia. And as you think, it is rather difficult to imagine. but what is not in Russian and not in the Orthodox way - that's for sure!

[Flashpoint]

Tatyana
I am Russian and I am Russian

And as you think, it is rather difficult to imagine. but what is not in Russian and not in the Orthodox way - that's for sure!

Why, then, vilify the Honor of the Russian Soldier, and even the Peacemaker?

I do not believe neither to Azerbaijanis, nor the Russian peacekeepers! Something is clearly wrong here.

The Azerbaijanis are lying. And the Russian peacekeepers, for their political illiteracy, agree with them.

Here I can’t resist !!!
Shame on you???

[Tatyana]

Why should I be ashamed if I think so from my life experience and education?
What do I need to stroke our heads in everything, in spite of my beliefs, education and my life experience?
I respect our military, but as far as I personally know them and they deserve it. I have little demand from the rank and file, but the corresponding demand from the officers! And, unfortunately, the officers' command personnel did not always turn out to be at their best in my eyes.
So there is no need to teach me wisdom and conscience here! In principle, I have never been and never will be cheap, "singing along" to anyone! I have my own opinion and my own head on my shoulders. And I defend Russia's sovereign interests as I see fit.

[Flashpoint]

Tatyana
I respect our military

Small request: a little more respect ...
And do not boast of experience and education ... It does not decorate!

[Flashpoint]

You don't need to bully me

And there was no thought!

then and on the go I will not hit in response!

backhand :)
Skillfully and beat the witch (backhand) - a good proverb!

[Tatyana]

Quote: Flashpoint

Skillfully and beat the witch (backhand) - a good proverb!

I am far from the witch! So don't get your hopes up!

[Flashpoint]

Tatyana
So don't get your hopes up!

And in my thoughts was not! :)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

I am far from the witch!

Do you have a broom?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

But you don’t need to bully me, then I won’t hit you back!

And we are not bullying ... Can I give you a flower? Scarlet ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And we are not bullying ... Can I give you a flower? Scarlet ...

Of course you can! We love flowers very much!
Happy new year 2021 to you!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

Happy new year 2021 to you!

And I wish you happiness!

[Tatyana]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And I wish you happiness!

Mutually!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

In principle, I have never been and never will be cheap, "singing along" to anyone!

Bravo! I was kicked out of four jobs because I have never been a singer.

[Flashpoint]

(Vladimir)
Bravo! I was kicked out of four jobs because I have never been a singer.

Well, they wanted me with only two ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Flashpoint

Well, they wanted me with only two ...

Somehow the boss comes, points his finger at the receiver, and asks: "What is this?" So I made fun of him.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

And rightly so!

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Right! I agree!

[yfast]

Quote: Petro_tut

Russian military, I mean.

Is the option from the base in Gyumri suitable?

No, of course, this is the same thing that the Americans came from the Ramstein base to meet the Poles and the Germans near the village of Nichtferstein.

[Avior]

Looked at the location of Shurnukh village on existing online maps
On the iPhone, the border passes behind the village, the houses of the village are on the Armenian side. On Google maps, the border runs through the village, part of the village is Azerbaijani.

[Sergeant]

these territories are located outside the former borders of the Armenian SSR on the territory of the Zangilan region of Azerbaijan. That is, Azerbaijan is restoring control over its sovereign territory.

[Morozov]

As long as Pashinyan the little magpie is in power

[APASUS]

Until all the parties agree on which maps to carry out the demarcation, everything will be so. Or even better, that it would be carried out by a specially created commission, and not by the military. Then conflicts cannot be avoided.

[GKA72]

Let's wait until the end of the US elections. The situation in the Transcaucasus will also depend on this. So far, nobody has canceled the anaconda's plan.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

The branch is excellent! I put pluses to all opposing each other, because I am sure the people are "offended for the state" ... (c)

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Avior

But on fresh maps it is somehow different
?
The article says that the Armenians have other information, but it is not clear which cards they rely on

They have a source - the globe of great Armenia is called, they draw all borders on it and form their policy.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Azimuth

Madam, I endured for a long time and did not climb, but please, if you are a Russian woman, even if you are of Armenian nationality, you are OBLIGED to respect our servicemen, the policy of our country even towards Armenia.

I am Russian and I am Russian - and there is no Armenian, Azeri, Ukrainian or other national blood in me! I think in the interests of the Russian state and the state of the Russians forming Russia. And as you think, it is rather difficult to imagine. but what is not in Russian and not in the Orthodox way - that's for sure!

Me too) Honest pioneer. Perhaps this is enough for you to believe. Thoroughbred Siberian with Basque roots and some Tyrolean-Berendean patches.

[voyaka uh]

There are many places in Europe where the state border runs in the middle of a town or village. Right down the street. No wall or even a fence. And people live peacefully, without slaughter and enmity.

[Selevc]

Quote: voyaka uh

And people live peacefully, without slaughter and enmity.

It may be so - but the Caucasus is far from Europe. The Caucasus is a very specific region of the world. .This is not Europe or Asia - the Caucasus is the Caucasus !!! And in the Caucasus, if the border between the countries passes in the middle of the village, then this is just a guarantee that one part of the village, sooner or later, will cut part of the second ...

[Sunstorm]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are many places in Europe where the state border runs in the middle of a town or village. Right down the street. No wall or even a fence. And people live peacefully, without slaughter and enmity.

Well, you just surprised. Does the word "Huguenot" tell you anything? The phrase "St. Bartholomew's Night"? "Kristallnacht"? "Genocide"? "Polish Corridor"? Do not have any illusions about the "Civilized" they are slaughtering their neighbors, but now they are being slaughtered in a civilized manner, for example, on "Organs" like Albanians - Serbs.

[WILL]

Quote: Orca

Quote: 113262

I think they will cut!

I think it's time to slaughter these Azeris - every last one!
The latter will tell everyone else that ... do not go into someone else's garden.

Stunned ... The Site Administration doesn’t catch mice at all ???
Here the "non-comrades" wrote on the article of the Criminal Code, but the commentary stuck out for more than half a day ... AU - The New Year is over !!!

[bobba94]

I read the title of the article and thought - is it possible that Semyon was recruited into the editorial office of VO. Looked at the composition of the editorial board ..... Semyon Pegov is not there.

[Anar]

Quote: Bearded

Among the Russians there are also Bearded

[Serega_Sibiryak]

Greetings to all. Didn't comment for several years.
What I want to say from myself: I am deeply convinced that all the main problems of Russia in the region are precisely because of the Armenian side. I agree with the opinion that it was necessary to wait for a pause before the introduction of the MS RUSSIA into the region.
Armenia is an ally only on paper. It is necessary to get rid of their lobbyists inside our country.
The territories of the parties must be brought in accordance with international law as soon as possible, ignoring all wishes and memories of a thousand years ago. Just take it and decide for yourself, from the position of a formidable older brother. But it is unrealistic for us to do this, unfortunately, because of the abundance of those in power with a double bottom and rotten ones.

[Suleiman]

Quote: Tatiana

And that the Azerbaijani border guards have not noticed THIS since 1942, and have not demanded that the Armenians get out of the Azerbaijani territory ?!

Has the kukukha gone completely? What are the Azerbaijani border guards in 1942 ??? By the way, until 1989, only Azerbaijanis lived in this very village. After they were driven out of the region, their homes were occupied by the "long-suffering".

[Seal]

Quote: Tatiana

Exactly - who's playing Vanka?

Vanka is being played by the one who talks about some phantom Azerbaijani border guards in 1942. This is generally a masterpiece, there is nowhere to go further.

[Sunstorm]

Choosing between death or shame ... He who chooses shame will still receive death.
Morality? Do not want to be disgraced, do not fight with your neighbors or fight to the last soldier.

[Seal]

Quote: Tatiana

then why did the Azerbaijanis not demand that the Armenians get out of their Azerbaijani territory back home until 1942? Why was this issue not resolved and not resolved then?

Who knows whether they demanded or not. Are you sure you didn't ask for it?

Quote: Tatiana

What were these strange games in the General Staff of Azerbaijan that were hidden from local Armenians?

Why "undercover"? The Russian General Staff provided both the Azerbaijani and Armenian sides with their maps. And on the basis of these maps, the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan is being demarcated. By the way, if you were a little less engaged, then you would have noticed that there are no protests from the Armenian government officials. Since both sides believe these maps and agree to demarcate the border based on these maps. Only the reaction of local residents is discussed.

Quote: Tatiana

And we know how, under Soviet rule, the Azerbaijanis in 1922 seized lands from the Armenians, which the Soviet government gave them to the Armenians.

What do you know that no one knows?

[Seal]

Quote: APASUS

Until all parties agree on which cards to demarcate

Have you slept through everything? We have already agreed and are conducting it. Our General Staff presented its cards to both the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides. The parties agreed to carry out demarcation on their basis.

[Seal]

Quote: Tatiana

As for the staff officers of the USSR Armed Forces, under Stalin, many were shot for their sabotage and communication with the West in 1937-38.

Well, we're talking about 1942 maps. That is, we are talking about the time when those who were associated with the West were shot five years ago. Is not it ?

[Seal]

Quote: Selevc

And in the Caucasus, if the border between the countries passes in the middle of the village, then this is just a guarantee that one part of the village, sooner or later, will cut part of the second ...