The Admiralty Shipyards will lay the second serial submarine of the 636 project for the Black Sea Fleet on a slipway

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The Admiralty Shipyards will lay the second serial submarine of the 636 project for the Black Sea Fleet on a slipway

The Black Sea Fleet will completely update the grouping of diesel-electric submarines of the 636 project, which the Admiralty Shipyards will build in St. Petersburg upon the order of the Russian Navy. A ceremony will be held at the plant today, dedicated to laying the second submarine in the Black Sea series "Stary Oskol" Representatives of the government of St. Petersburg, the command of the Russian Navy, design and engineering organizations of the industry will gather in the boathouse.

Currently, the company has two submarines of this series in varying degrees of construction readiness, the company’s press service reported. The head boat Novorossiysk was laid in August 2010 of the year. Her launch is scheduled for 2013 year. The first serial boat was named Rostov-on-Don. It was laid in November 2011. In total, the Admiralties plan to build a series of six non-nuclear submarines of the 636 project, designed in the Rubin Central Design Bureau.

According to experts, the submarines of this project have high tactical and technical characteristics. The length of this diesel-electric submarine diesel engine is 73,8 m, the cruising range at an economic speed under the RDP (diesel operation under water) is 11200 km, and underwater (with full electric movement) 740 km.

Admiralty Shipyards are based on the Neva left bank in 1704. Now they are part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. For three centuries, about two and a half thousand merchant, research and fishing vessels, combat surface and submarine ships for various purposes and tonnage, deep-water vehicles have been built here.
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  1. Melchakov
    +7
    August 17 2012
    As I understand it, this is Varshavyanka. Yes., They would not hurt there.
    1. spender
      +4
      August 17 2012
      Yesterday I posted, but here it is just "in color"

      The Black Sea Fleet will include six submarines of project 636
      August 16, 2012, 16:41 Print version

      The submarine Stary Oskol, which will be laid out on Friday at the Admiralty Shipyards, will be part of the Black Sea Fleet, said a spokesman for the press service and information of the Ministry of Defense for the Navy.

      “It is planned that this submarine will be included in the combat structure of the Black Sea Fleet,” the representative of the Ministry of Defense said, Interfax reports.

      According to him, "The program for updating the Black Sea Fleet’s naval composition provides for the construction of six submarines of this project. ”

      According to the High Command of the Russian Navy, said the representative of the Ministry of Defense, "in the future, non-nuclear submarines will strengthen the submarine component of naval groups in the peninsular as well as island zones of coastal seas and will be integrated into the unified command system of the Armed Forces. ”

      «The actions of diesel-electric boats are provided for in those marine areas where the use of nuclear submarines is impossible and inexpedient“- he stressed.

      He also noted that diesel submarine building in the next 10 years will follow the path of improving the stealth parameters of diesel boats, increasing the autonomy of their navigation and multifunctionality of application (on surface, underwater and coastal targets).
      1. +7
        August 17 2012
        A good boat for such a theater as the Black Sea. I am glad that they began to seriously update the fleets, this is very important in the current troubled world.
        1. -17
          August 17 2012
          It is necessary to strengthen the Triad, it is necessary. to suppress interventionists
          1. Vanek
            +3
            August 17 2012
            No important caricature. Take it away.
          2. +20
            August 17 2012
            to suppress interventionists

            In Syria, terrorists executed the entire Shiite family and hanged a child


            The massacre carried out by Western-backed rebels greatly damaged the ability of the opposition forces to claim the high moral level of their struggle against Damascus and shows that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's accusations of war crimes are nothing more than a lie.

            Meanwhile, Saudi Wahhabi Muhammad al-Arifi called on Syrian armed groups to block the leak of photos and videos of their attacks by the Syrian army and civilians.

            On his Twitter page, Arifi asked the rebel groups to continue their attacks and intimidation of the Syrian people, but not to release photos and videos of their operations.

            Did you mean this? By donok.
            1. Arsen
              +1
              August 17 2012
              Horror, how can children ...? This does not intimidate the people, but yes. As it was in the Second World War.
            2. lotus04
              0
              August 18 2012
              Quote: vorobey
              In Syria, terrorists executed the entire Shiite family and hanged a child


              One hundred pounds, in the west this information did not pass!
          3. 0
            August 17 2012
            like a puddle farted fool
        2. +1
          August 17 2012
          Sakhalininsk,
          In the eighties at the Admiralty every year a boat of this type was laid. And all for export. Now you need to quickly configure for yourself.
          1. Specialist-
            +1
            August 17 2012
            Not seriously - these marshals just zadolbal all.
            In addition to them - no one is visible. They are kings and gods here - e-mine.
            By what number will all ratings already fly off and will there be a different accrual system?
            They promised at the end of August. request
            This is complete mess - whom I want - that and sweet. They are essentially - the site is depriving visitors.
            Instead of a ban, they drive into the minus all those who are objectionable. THIS is chaos. I WOULD - on my - site - would not allow this in my life.
            To a bunch of scumbags shook their rights.
            For these 5 people will not do the weather, but dozens and hundreds of those = whom they sent off would do just the same.
            (This is - NOT ABOUT Moderators - Esaul, Vadivak, Urzul - respected people).
            1. spender
              0
              August 17 2012
              Quote: Specialist -
              I WOULD - on my - site - would not allow this in my life.

              God does not give a cheerful cow, it’s not enough to create a website (it’s inexpensive) laughing
              Quote: Specialist -
              (This is - NOT ABOUT Moderators - Esaul, Vadivak, Urzul - respected people).

              Well .. how to throw in everyone, and lick the chosen laughing
              1. Specialist-
                0
                August 17 2012
                Quote: spender
                lick the chosen

                And you think before you ... ...... why you are not among them.
                Is it not because you yourself represent 0/0?
                I’m here - I don’t know anything at all. An empty space, in fact, consists of only assent and licking.
                FUNNY - "Army General" reports to the Private.! lol
                And here is your ARREST - on VETERANS - it is a PERSONAL insult, even for me. And you should know - I'm still that Splinter in Buttocks.
                I ... UCA want - I will have your whole site and people like you in particular "Marshals". Normal people naturally - to suffer - MUST NOT.
                As for security - EVEN IF you figure out my IP and my provider - come to him. There is Bulletproof glass like in the Bank, and 2 girls are sitting - very arrogant and able to send to ....... Well this is unlikely. This is a mystery, like a doctor’s, and for its disclosure, I can get more than one million rubles from them. So - ONLY THROUGH the FSB - department K - cops - they will not help here.
                Good luck.
                1. spender
                  0
                  August 17 2012
                  Quote: Specialist -
                  And you think before you ... ...... why you are not among them.

                  A compliment from you, I would consider it an insult to myself hi
                  Quote: Specialist -
                  FUNNY - "Army General" reports to the Private.!

                  Well, only a moron can take "cardboard" shoulder straps seriously and not sleep at night dreaming about them if you don't earn then buy, I feel sorry for you, seriously sorry winked
                  1. Specialist-
                    0
                    August 17 2012
                    Quote: spender
                    I feel sorry for you, seriously sorry

                    Yes on Zdorovitsa to you and your friends who are sick.
                    See only - the FALL harvest is considered.
                    DO NOT GIVE - MODERATORS AND VETERANS TO OFFEND THE Ghouls !!!!! WALL AND DEATH WILL STAND !!!! US - 100 and 1000 - ordinary users of this resource. THE TRUTH IS WITH US !!!! STRENGTH WITH US !!! ALL for us!
                    Down with Marshalov (Except Moderators and Steam Locomotive) - FREEDOM to citizens and EVERYONE wishing to COMMUNICATE on this resource!

                    Quote: spender
                    if you don’t earn then buy

                    I AM OWN - already earned.
                    And about to buy - yes, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING - if only. YOU scumbags Put it in your place - at Parasha.
            2. +1
              August 17 2012
              Quote: Specialist -
              By what number will all ratings already fly off and will there be a different accrual system?

              Colleague, welcome. With some surprise and satisfaction, today, coming home from work, I discovered that your wishes were heard and, in part, fulfilled ...! drinks
              Sometimes the discussion of the topic turns into a brawl and is very far from this very discussed topic ..
              1. +2
                August 17 2012
                I read and precipitated. Specialist, burn !!! I was directly glad that I was not a marshal ...
                1. Specialist-
                  +1
                  August 17 2012
                  Quote: Banshee
                  what not marshal

                  So for what ...... THEY ARE NEEDED here?
                  Only one thing is heard from them Blah blah blah - Hi, Bye, I'm here, thump, at home, etc. - SO - EVERYONE CAN !!!.
                  And in essence - they are also moderators. Whoever they wanted, they drove in mnus - and there is no need for a ban, and no warning.
                  THIS IS ENDLESS. DOWN WITH. WE WANT NORMALLY CENSORAL to communicate !!!
                  I and thousands of users, and do not look and equal to these mu ....... s ......... g.
                  The main rule on the site - when they were registered - EVERYTHING IS EQUAL !!!
                  and WHERE is it? - when 5 thugs - more than all 100-200 - ANYWHERE !!!! ?
                  BAN IM AND ......., and there to understand. Not why talk with them.
                  1. spender
                    -3
                    August 17 2012
                    Quote: Specialist -
                    THIS IS ENDLESS. DOWN WITH. WE WANT NORMALLY CENSORAL to communicate !!! I and thousands of users, and do not look and equal to these mu ....... s ......... g.

                    Like thousands of my compatriots, I have not read Solzhenitsyn, but I condemn his writings laughing
                    My comments are deleted, but here ... however, a good psychiatrist is gaining a doctorate laughing
                    1. Specialist-
                      0
                      August 17 2012
                      Quote: spender
                      did not read, but condemn his writings

                      This is how it is - I have not read it - and condemn it? Prophet or what? Or the roof is already on its way. And actually, you lived in the days of Solzhenitsyn - in order to condemn him so confidently? Which one of you is then a marshal? - you’re an ordinary ... balabol, who doesn’t even know about WHAT and about WHO. Moreover, reasoning - then - in 2 words fit. I'm against! ....BUT NOT ME! SO WHAT! WHAT do you mind?
                      Quote: spender
                      My comments are deleted

                      Would be less rude and swearing - wrote Humanly - you would look and leave the Administration of YOUR comments.
                      And so - Sorry. Hamla - there is enough without you.

                      Quote: spender
                      however a good psychiatrist

                      Heh. Guessed you look. CAM Doctor of Science in psychiatry prophesied to me Not a frail future.
                      For example - score 168 IQ points - then I spoke for the personality.
                      Or are you talking about YOURSELF so flatteringly - OTHERWISE - YOU will not get used to it.
              2. spender
                0
                August 17 2012
                Quote: esaul
                Colleague, welcome.

                Valery! The king is made by the retinue, but if the retinue consists of clowns, then the "king is naked", no matter how clowns shout the opposite laughing
                1. Specialist-
                  +1
                  August 17 2012
                  Quote: spender
                  but if the retinue consists of clowns

                  Which are you already 3 !!!!!!! times they raise (this is 3-4 days) to the General - YES !!!!
                  Ay - wrong - you ALREADY ALREADY A whole "General of the Army". Here from people like you - ....... Thieves ............. - AND SHOULD GET RID of the first turn !!!! A LOT on this SITE - TOPIC ABOUT CORRUPTION AND Kickbacks.
                  This is not the King - but the usual .............. !!!! love feel - of which many have divorced recently.
                  They know how to scratch their tongues ONLY - and NOTHING worthless - NO !!! And there’s nowhere for him to come from — for they got used to LIFE like this — to lick.
                  Unfortunately - I am afraid of this topic - it is familiar to millions of 100 Russians. Around here alone are such .......... Where do not spit.
                  1. Specialist-
                    0
                    August 17 2012
                    And remember - WITH ME - DISPUTE - WITHOUTСhelpful - I will always be RIGHT.
                    Not your level. (Nothing at all applies to other users)
                    So sit silently and not ..... uh ......
                    THIS IS THE "GENERAL OF THE ARMY" SPEAKING A SIMPLE PRIVATE! lol laughing
    2. lotus04
      0
      August 18 2012
      Quote: Melchakov
      Yes, they wouldn’t interfere there.


      Pieces 12, it would not hurt, but someone on the opposite bank, strained. To the joy of us.
  2. +2
    August 17 2012
    Constipation
    1. +2
      August 17 2012
      They gave her the wrong name - "Kryvyi Rih" wassat it was necessary to. Forgive me, submariners - glorious and brave guys who decided to serve in this dangerous trash.
      1. +4
        August 17 2012
        Dima, I answered my banter a little lower. there would be less ambition now, too, the Warsaw women would build.
        1. +2
          August 17 2012
          vorobey (xnumx)
          Hello. Totally agree. And not only "Varshavyanka" - we have lost a lot of things. It's a pity.
          1. +3
            August 17 2012
            Quote: DEMENTIY
            we lost a lot

            We have lost no less believe me.
            1. Specialist-
              +2
              August 17 2012
              Everyone praises his swamp. Here is the half page of comments - and here is one Sparrow. Here I am. I read to all other visitors about his Zaporozhye? And about ambition. And about banter And yet about FIG knows what he writes here.
              SO YOU NEVER (Admins) - you will not succeed on your large site.
              You have here - HAZELING is flourishing. Who needs it. Previously, there were more people - they wrote - they were not afraid - now in general there are 5 fanatics. Do you need this?
              NOT!!! You need a visit and discussion a day for 10.000 comments.
              With these ........ and this rating (accrual system) - you will NEVER achieve this.
              FOR - the client is ALWAYS right. And you - the rights are always this 5th group of scumbags-pensioners - who is building ALL ..
              1. Specialist-
                0
                August 17 2012
                Quote: spender
                however a good psychiatrist

                Heh. Guessed you look. (I have nothing to hide)
                CAM Doctor of Science in Psychiatry prophesied to me Not a frail future.
                For example - score 168 IQ points - then we’ll talk for individuals - otherwise BAZAR is meaningless.
  3. Melchakov
    +2
    August 17 2012
    Quote: vorobey

    Constipation

    We must be glad that they at least have this left, otherwise at 90 everyone sent everything for scrap. We have more left because we did not have time to cut everything, and the Ukrainians were not lucky.
    1. +4
      August 17 2012
      Maxim behind the banter is not always visible thoughts completely. Ukraine is looking in the wrong direction. That's all. I understand even when the two brothers do not divide the woman. And here only older and smarter can not figure it out.
      1. spender
        0
        August 17 2012
        Quote: vorobey
        I understand even when the two brothers do not share the woman

        I think it’s much worse if they divide it, cut it and carry it home laughing
    2. +1
      August 17 2012
      Melchakov,

      especially the largest in the world Odessa shipping company for example
      1. Specialist-
        -2
        August 17 2012
        And here is a sensible proposal.
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        My World is for starters.
        If everyone here recommends this site to their 50 acquaintances, but LIKE it, and + everyone else 50 - themselves and calculate the geometric progression. When half of Russia will be here. And THESE Marshals WILL NOT BE - There will be - THE CORRECT rating system - WHEN AND WOLVES ARE FULL AND SHEEP GOALS.
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        1. Specialist-
          -2
          August 17 2012
          World of Tanks - where most people are 12 years old - just RELAX.
          Think about (creating) a COMMUNITY (community - the BEST way to earn $$$$$ today - RESPONSE - BEST your site) - in My World and not only. Advertisers pay the largest $$$ / (sold like pies) - it’s for communities where 1000 people are fellow citizens. If your Fanstast does not know this - Dismiss him at ...... HE BRAKES YOUR website. It is called - for promotion and information security. NUB. LOSER.
          HE DOES NOT EVEN BAN. NEIGHBOR.
          What else can we talk about?
          Speak his share - I WILL BUY. ON LEGAL BASES - because I have friends not only in Russia but also in Kazakhstan - they are engaged in the creation and promotion of this business. EVERYTHING is for sale and EVERYTHING is bought - the law of business - the law of Life.
          Only REAL PRICE is needed - even the WHOLE of this site.
          1. spender
            +1
            August 17 2012
            Quote: Specialist -
            . If your Fanstast does not know this - Dismiss him at ...... HE BRAKES YOUR website. It is called - for promotion and information security. NUB. LOSER. HE DOES NOT EVEN BAN. NEIGHBOR: What else can we talk about?

            Psychiatrists urgently addressed, the client reached the condition laughing
            1. Specialist-
              0
              August 17 2012
              Quote: spender
              the client reached the condition

              Yeah. Very funny. If you changed your IP - this is far from a fact - that you CANNOT be taken for eggs. I would personally take you apart for one or two.
              Here you have it - a tray - and there is already a THIRD - 3rd account.
  4. +4
    August 17 2012
    The Black Sea Fleet today is more relevant than ever (patrolling in the Mediterranean), and it needs to be strengthened!
  5. +1
    August 17 2012
    but I would like to hear, already 4 submarines are on duty off the coast of Turkey.
    and the middle-earth is the responsibility of the KSF, there are already nuclear powered ships
    1. Skiff
      +3
      August 17 2012
      Currently, the submarine fleet of Turkey has the Atylai 6-PL submarine of the German project 209 / 1200 (built by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft, HDW). They entered the fleet from 1975 of the year to 1989 of the year.
      10 January 2011 Turkey signed a loan agreement in the amount of 2,19 billion euros (2,9 billion dollars) to finance the construction of six submarines.

      voiced promises to strengthen the Black Sea Fleet with new frigates, corvettes, artillery ships and NPL. But we must remember that Turkey has gone far in the development of its submarine fleet. In order for the Black Sea Fleet to argue on the topic “Who is the master of the sea”, it is necessary to put into operation the Black Sea Fleet at least 1 submarine per year (15-20 years), while not discarding old ones. This is due to the fact that the Black Sea Fleet must also respond to the challenges of the era in the Mediterranean.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        +1
        August 17 2012
        Also Turkey has 4 submarines of "Prevese" type -1994-1999; Submarine type "Gyur" -2003-2007. and there are 14 units in total. The number of submarines in the Black Sea is not constant. Izmir main base.
        But the "Varshavyanka" division directly asks how they were created for this region.
  6. -11
    August 17 2012
    Yes ... We decided to continue building old stuff, the newest "Lada" (St. Petersburg) pr. 677 turned out to be an outright homome - in 2004 they lowered it, until 2010 the fleet did not accept it, and even after its adoption (by special order from above!) at exhibitions (for show) does not apply anywhere. This is our industry. The same fate awaits "Ash" in spite of the "unmasking" articles. It's sad to admit, but nothing has changed since the 90s, we continue to fuck everything that we have gained. We do not store the old, but we do not make the new. SHOW ONLY!
    1. Vanek
      +2
      August 17 2012
      Quote: killganoff
      We do not store the old, but we do not do the new. ONLY SHOW!


      Here the other day I watched the news as "SHARK" the Gulf of Mexico sailed unnoticed ...........

      And in the surface ......
      1. +1
        August 17 2012
        Hi Ivan, the amers seem to have already made a refutation. Until they figure out where and whose boat, articles and news stories are not measured outright.
        1. 0
          August 17 2012
          Here's the answer - since there was a rebuttal from the amers, our submarine was significant and the truth was there ... Well, they can’t admit that they managed it completely ... laughing
    2. Optimist
      +3
      August 17 2012
      SW killganoff.
      1. Do you think Project 636 M. is not suitable for the tasks assigned to him in this area? Given that the project is being modernized with enhanced impact capabilities and product construction in 3 years ?????
      2.At the expense of "Ash" ave., It's a shame !! only for today in every online edition))) a refutation is written from the USC. The project was originally developed as a breakthrough !!! For obvious reasons, the delivery time of the product is violated.
  7. +1
    August 17 2012
    Go Russia!
  8. 0
    August 17 2012
    I am glad that merchants could not close the Admiralty Shipyards and build another business project in their place. Let it be better to build ships in this place.
  9. 0
    August 17 2012
    Nice to read the good news in the morning.
  10. CARBON
    0
    August 17 2012
    Why the ships, in our case, the boats are called differently, was "St. Nicholas" became "Prince Vladimir", it seems they were going to call the boat "Stavropol", but called "Stary Oskol", there was Lada 677 "Sevastopol", now under this name they will build UDC ? I'm glad for the Navy, high-quality and fast construction!
    1. -1
      August 17 2012
      Well, the 955 project, apparently decided to be completely named after the princes.
  11. Dictator1412
    -2
    August 17 2012
    INTER glad for your beliefs). Let me find out on a salary from the State Department or on a voluntary basis by stupidity and lack of education?

    INTER glad for your beliefs). Let me find out on a salary from the State Department or on a voluntary basis by stupidity and lack of education?
  12. bremest
    +1
    August 17 2012
    A good submarine is needed in the Black Sea as well. in the near future, the Black Sea could become a point of strong confrontation.
  13. CARBON
    +3
    August 17 2012
    And why do you not like my convictions, if at the expense of the fleet I wrote them. There is really a huge gap in education, which I admit, may the audience forgive me. "By stupidity" it is evident that I did not receive any economic or legal information, and there is a huge gap in graduate psychology. I confess that I apply in practice somehow mastered technical) So that as a paid "hire" to interest the state. dep. I can’t even if I want to, but in truth I don’t need it). My interest in the systematization of the names of the warships of the Russian fleet is caused by love and great interest that has shown itself from childhood to the Russian fleet!
    1. +2
      August 17 2012
      Carbon don't get excited. In my opinion, no one has a claim to you.
  14. -1
    August 17 2012
    Great news and great boats ...
  15. 0
    August 17 2012
    Welcome all!
    Without diminishing the merits of the tactical fleet, I cannot but regret the state of the general situation of the submarine fleet.
    Out of 43 strategic nuclear submarines on the balance sheet of the Russian Navy
    only 11 are on conditional alert.
    For one reason or another (they are known both to shipbuilders and to operators-real units of the fleets)
    full strategic potential at the moment does not seem
    possible.
    In reality, only 4 (!) Are ready for active hostilities.
    It should be noted that the situation is of serious concern to
    leadership of the country.
    The defense industry commission led by D. Rogozin and called
    solve problems of customers and manufacturers that are very
    popularly voiced by the former manager of USC Trotsenko.
    1. 0
      August 17 2012
      And what kind of source?
  16. +1
    August 17 2012
    The pace is certainly not impressive. One per year, and we also have a BF.
  17. avacs
    +1
    August 17 2012
    Stary Oskol is my homeland !! forward !!!!!!!!
  18. +1
    August 17 2012
    To say constantly what we had, Yes, we had it. But now times are different and we need to rapidly rearm, renew, modernize. And the fact that orders are not fulfilled so quickly is not so simple. My personal opinion, It is necessary to establish a sequential, and sometimes parallel process of manufacturing individual parts and parts. Also, the supply of equipment, cable products to carry out without delay. And "interest" the workers, without whom the rapid construction will not work.
    Interest the man, he will turn the mountain.
  19. 0
    August 17 2012
    Answer SU 24
    The source is an analysis of official publications both along
    Ministry of Defense, Department of Shipbuilding Industry (head - L.V. Strugov), Ministry of Industry and Trade (head L.V. Manturov), NPO Concern "Avrora", manufacturing enterprises "Malakhit", "Almaz", Samara enterprise CJSC Reid -1"
    (by the way, being the only company in Russia having
    a full set of CD, TD and stand complexes for all products
    submarines of the 2nd and 3rd generations, which, in fact, are
    in service).
    Those in the know know the problems of modern developments of the so-called. "numbers".
    These are the 4th generation rocket carriers of the 9XX project, or Ash and its analogues.
    For the ignorant: life support systems, combat readiness, energy supply systems are functionally and organically linked between
    by myself. But the most reliable (and not without reason were considered
    SLM systems - control and protection of a nuclear reactor).
    Due to their specificity, they are more reliable in the execution of the element base,
    designed for fast neutron reactors.
    Docking of digital control systems and fundamentally analog
    protection systems causes an insurmountable barrier as a technological,
    and intra-departmental in nature.
    Nobody wants to be responsible for, say, a reactor explosion, near
    territorial waters of a potential adversary.
  20. 0
    August 17 2012
    Let's hope for the best. drinks
  21. Alexander
    -2
    August 17 2012
    With a dozen of these submarines, we will show the United States and China Kuzkin's mother.
    1. REPA1963
      -2
      August 17 2012
      Well, you waved, at least to someone alone, otherwise you can tear your stomach from a strain.
  22. +2
    August 17 2012
    Replica Delink (s)
    Dear Delink!
    Working at a defense enterprise, I can responsibly say that instant modernization, if not possible, is very difficult to implement. This applies not only to the Navy, but also to land weapons and air assets and missile support.
    Masterpieces are created once in an era: this applies to AKM, and T-34, and SU fighters, and the famous R-7, and project 6xx submarines. (Remember NK-33, which
    by the will of the shortsighted, and I would say criminal, neglect,
    refused to run in a series with us, which enterprising Americans took advantage of). Who does not know, this is N. Kuznetsov’s engine.
    Next comes a deep modernization of prototypes, and here it affects
    foresight, and, if you like, the genius of the creators.
    Do not also forget that damage systems are developing more
    faster than weapon delivery systems: here
    there is a certain conflict.
    Of course, I agree with you that serious measures are needed
    nature to ensure the defense of the state.
    What methods? And here the dog is buried.
    I think that all the patriots of our country experienced a sense of pride about the perplexity that arose in the US defense departments as a result
    barrage in the immediate vicinity of their territorial waters
    Russian submarine according to NATO classification "Shark", and according to the Russian
    Pike of the project of the 9th series. (But the missile-carrying cruiser of the "Borey" class, the project of the 15xx series has not been put into service for XNUMX years).
    The boat underwent a deep modernization, as a result of which anti-noise parameters were achieved, which in fact shocked the representatives of not only the State Department, but also the professional military.
    Generally speaking, making a technical breakthrough is much more difficult,
    than technological and there are objective reasons for this.
    To improve the technique, in its deepest understanding, we need
    fundamental knowledge, including theoretical.
    The situation is simpler with technology: its basis is the method of empiricism and iteration.
    1. REPA1963
      0
      August 17 2012
      As far as I remember from the USSR, the problem of our boats was in great noise, they were quieter.
  23. Marmot
    0
    August 17 2012
    I am especially proud of "Rostov-on-Don" !!!)))
  24. REPA1963
    0
    August 17 2012
    740 on an electrician, it’s not enough. Somewhere you need to recharge and the sea is not very big, and even with modern reconnaissance equipment, in the palm of your hand.
  25. 0
    August 17 2012
    Nothing. Fine. For the Black Sea, and even in conjunction with Ukraine, yes, we will cut any heap at a time. Joke. But seriously It is necessary to strengthen on the Black Sea. See how Turkey began to rock out. It's time to stop crowding at their resorts and announce a boycott of their goods. Sincerely.
  26. maxiv1979
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    August 18 2012
    the boat is not bad, we need ECG, Stirling is better, electronics is quite up to the mark, submarines are not as critical to the mass of equipment as airplanes, everything is done on 486 processors, enough speed for the eyes, hears, sees, torpedoes ... Swedes make the submarines quiet so we’ll compete, we’re doing a little worse, we don’t have the production culture, but we surpass in a number of parameters, which allows us to say that in Sweden we’ll probably use the weapons first, there are still 212, but there’s no way to understand when there is an ECG, there is no noise almost, like in the Swedes, but it’s not the acoustics that come into play ...

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