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China comments on the appearance of two US Navy destroyers with Tomahawk missiles in the Taiwan Strait

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Two USS Arleigh Burke-class destroyers at once passed through the Taiwan Strait. These are the warships USS John S. McCain and USS Curtis Wilbur. The destroyers are armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles (CR). The passage through the strait, the Pentagon notes, "is a demonstration that the United States does not recognize Beijing's claims to the island of Taiwan."


It should be noted that just a few days ago the same destroyer "John McCain" was in the South China Sea, and the Pentagon announced a "mission to prevent excessive claims of Vietnam" on one of the archipelagoes south of Ho Chi Minh.

It turns out that the USS John S. McCain becomes a ship for the US Navy, which constantly "challenges someone's claims." At the same time, the command of the US naval forces does not speak of its own claims, while continuing to consider itself in fact a world gendarme.

The appearance of two American warships with cruise missiles in the Taiwan Strait is being commented on by experts and Chinese officials. Thus, the press secretary of the PLA, Wu Qian, notes that "the Chinese army is on high alert and can fight any challenges, threats and provocations to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity."

And this is the statement by Wang Wenbin, Press Secretary of the PRC Foreign Ministry:

Instead of another provocation, the United States should have played a constructive role in ensuring regional peace and stability. While they do everything exactly the opposite.

Li Haidong, a professor at the Institute of International Relations of China, believes that the United States "continues to make attempts to play the Taiwan card":

China needs to be careful about this. They are trying to restrain us. Given the fact that Trump remains in the presidency for less than 20 days, such provocations near the borders of China may become more frequent.

At the same time, there is still no consensus in China about how the situation will change after Joe Biden's arrival in the White House.
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Facebook / USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG-54)
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  1. Mitroha
    Mitroha 1 January 2021 15: 33
    +5
    It seems to me that the situation is unlikely to change for the better for China, because the funds knocked out by the United States from China please the soul of an innocent American politician
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 January 2021 15: 51
      +2
      Quote: Mitroha
      It seems to me that the situation is unlikely to change for the better for China, because the funds knocked out by the United States from China please the soul of an innocent American politician

      One will leave, the other will come
      but what will not change in the American world.
      But you can't put pressure on China, not that America in the 21st century.
      1. figwam
        figwam 1 January 2021 16: 30
        +7
        The US does not recognize Beijing's claims to the island of Taiwan. "

        China claims Chinese lands, funny.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 1 January 2021 16: 44
          0
          Quote: Mitroha
          It seems to me that the situation is unlikely to change for the better for China,

          China won't notice.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 January 2021 16: 51
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          China claims Chinese lands, funny.

          China remembers everything. You didn’t have to live with the Chinese, but I lived with them since childhood, the mentality is different than we are.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 1 January 2021 21: 18
            +1
            As we are not only mentality, but there is no such people either ... lol
            The Chinese had:
            Sit quietly on the river bank and the corpse of your enemy will float by

            Now they can take a simple step: suspend exports to some countries and close the jobs of people from Chinatown. Literally a month will be enough to discover that a hole has formed in the product range ...
        3. novel66
          novel66 1 January 2021 17: 52
          0
          Well, yes, and we are on the Northern Sea Route, and for them it is like a sickle ...
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 16: 57
      -4
      Quote: Mitroha
      for the funds knocked out of China by the United States delight the soul of an innocent American politician

      But what if China demands that America return the borrowed money at once? I think that in FPS the printing press will overheat and will not cope, and all that "successful" America SO on ... will sit down that we never dreamed of in the 90s ...
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 1 January 2021 17: 39
        +3
        Then China will simply be ignored or sent, the FSA have long spat on both contracts and orders.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 17: 49
          -1
          Quote: Incvizitor
          Then China will simply be ignored or sent, the FSA have long spat on both contracts and orders.

          What if China officially closes all Chinese restaurants in America? America will die of hunger - McDonald's won't feed the whole of America ... I'm not kidding - they don't know how to cook at home, just heat pizza in the microwave. And two out of three Americans order grub with delivery in Chinese restaurants. Which, by the way, have already mastered pizza ...
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 2 January 2021 01: 00
            -1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            What if China officially closes all Chinese restaurants in America? America will die of hunger

            So we will eat in Italian, Korean, Mexican, and whatever other eateries. And your hands will not fall off at home. By the way, when in the spring all restaurants were closed for covid quarantine, cooking at home, and especially baking, became very popular in America. Sales of unprocessed foods grew exponentially, and there were interruptions in flour, yeast, and curdled milk. I already recalled the bad memory of the late perestroika times of the USSR.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 2 January 2021 01: 09
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              So we will eat in Italian, Korean, Mexican, and whatever other eateries. And your hands will not fall off at home.

              How many other restaurants do you have within walking distance compared to the number of Chinese restaurants? And in America, they know how to cook only one thing - to reheat pizza delivered by courier in the microwave. Maybe in the two years that I was not in America, something has changed dramatically there? Or was I not in the America you live in? I've been to San Antonio, Texas and San Francisco. Maybe they only eat Chinese food on order? My acquaintances Americans have forgotten how to fry eggs and ham at home in a frying pan ... They can cook coffee only in a coffee machine ... Gordon Ramsay is already teaching them to cook omelet with sausage and tomatoes on TV - they've come, damn it, with their fast food. ..
              1. kytx
                kytx 2 January 2021 08: 15
                +1
                in fact, this is completely normal in South Asia, too, they do not particularly cook there is street food for every wallet from cool restaurants to a tent with a brazier
                in Latin America, as far as I know, this is also the case (in Cuba, it is true that they cook at home and are delicious)
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 2 January 2021 08: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: kytx
                  in fact it is completely normal

                  I don't think so. I love and know how to cook myself. The kitchen is a sacred place for me. Unfortunately, there is not enough time to cook constantly, but breakfast on Sunday is my legal thing. And Southeast Asia is just a separate matter - they don't eat any kind of crap, even locusts and cockroaches ... I don't understand them ... Mine is somehow closer to the meat cuisine of the Caucasus and Central Asia.
                  1. kytx
                    kytx 2 January 2021 10: 56
                    0
                    Well, when I lived with my family, I also cooked with pleasure sometimes.
                    Well, so on a permanent basis it is unnecessary troubles and a waste of time.
                    from poverty, yes you can. has to
                  2. kytx
                    kytx 2 January 2021 11: 00
                    0
                    I advise you to try toms and in a diner where taxi drivers dine in tai. there are no cockroaches. really cool.
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 2 January 2021 15: 17
                      0
                      Quote: kytx
                      I advise you to try toms and in a diner where taxi drivers dine in tai. there are no cockroaches. really cool.

                      Tom Yam tried it in Vietnam, Thailand. In eateries, however, I did not dine with taxi drivers, but in more or less decent restaurants I did not impress. No, it’s delicious, of course, you’d like to stuff so many goodies into one dish! But I would not say that I have never eaten anything tastier in my life. For me, grilled chicken on a spit from my oven is much tastier ... I can eat it almost whole at a time, so I usually cook 3-4 pieces of them at once.
                      1. kytx
                        kytx 3 January 2021 01: 04
                        0
                        ay persuaded
                        I'll go buy a chicken in the morning :)
                      2. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 5 January 2021 23: 51
                        0
                        Quote: kytx
                        ay persuaded
                        I'll go buy a chicken in the morning :)

                        I'm glad that at least I talked someone into a normal healthy meal ...
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII 1 January 2021 20: 44
        0
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Then China will simply be ignored or sent, the FSA have long spat on both contracts and orders.

        Yes they can, but now no, it could seriously affect the US trade balance around the world. Now the US is not in a position to play dangerous games. The fact is that just recently China signed a large trade agreement with Asian countries and others, including Canada and Australia. And many wanted or are considering this agreement as an alternative. So the game will either be very expensive for the United States, or it will just break them in half.
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 January 2021 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      But what if China demands that America return the borrowed money at once?

      De Gaulle, as he tried to return the gold reserves of France from the United States, the consequences are known to everyone ...
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        But what if China demands that America return the borrowed money at once?

        De Gaulle, as he tried to return the gold reserves of France from the United States, the consequences are known to everyone ...

        We remember, we remember ... But de Gaulle of 1968 is not China in 2020, already in 2021. America's figs will be able to pull off such a thing with China. With Germany, maybe it will work out. It's easy with Macron, but not with China. China can SIMPLY bring down America, but on the contrary, it is an American dream. Blue and unrealizable ... America's trade balance with China over the past 5 years, look and it will become clear who will break whose horns ...
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 1 January 2021 21: 19
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          China can SIMPLY bring down America,

          Why would China do nasty things to its main trading partner?
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 1 January 2021 21: 35
            0
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            China can SIMPLY bring down America,

            Why would China do nasty things to its main trading partner?

            Why why, what kind of partner is this who wants to throw?)) So China will do and does everything as it should.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 21: 39
            -1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            China can SIMPLY bring down America,

            Why would China do nasty things to its main trading partner?

            Well, if we here think in terms of "who is stronger - a whale or an elephant?", Then we can discuss a hypothetical conflict between the United States and China. And if you look at things really - then, in fact, the fig? America owes China so much money (and, by the way, even without hope of a return) that it is definitely not China's plans to fight it. Just to remind America once again who is now the boss in Uncle Tom's hut - China, I think, will not miss the opportunity. And at the same time, in Southeast Asia, America has not been the owner for a long time, and China will not miss the opportunity to hint to America.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 1 January 2021 22: 03
              +1
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              And at the same time, in Southeast Asia, America has long been not the mistress

              Since when did she stop being the mistress there and when? The United States controls the economy and communications at sea throughout the APR ... and where did the US WB go from this region, or maybe the PLA WB appeared there?
              In military terms, the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan and Japan have a greater% of the latest military and military equipment than the PLA ...
              However, many APR countries have their own accounts, both to the United States and to the PRC ...
              China, expanding its military presence in the South China Sea, at the expense of its neighbors, has spoiled relations with many of them ...
              Against this background, the Russian Federation can “stake out” the WB in this region, everyone knows us there, and any of our military presence in the APR will be considered, not as a threat, to someone from the APR countries, but against American Empireism ...
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 22: 17
                0
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Since when did she stop being the mistress there and when?

                Have you seen a US-made processor in a computer for a long time? My last time was around 2002. Or a US-made Ford car? Or American jeans made in Texas? But Chinese or Taiwanese - go to any home appliance store, go for the sake of interest in the clothing market - look for American jeans. And it is not the one who proclaims himself the master and wants to be it that rules the region, but the one who really pays and calls the tune. That's why I'm talking about China ...
        2. XXXIII
          XXXIII 1 January 2021 21: 38
          0
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          America's trade balance with China over the past 5 years, look and it will become clear who will break whose horns ...

          That's right, China has where to sell its goods, but the Americans may have where, but the goods are expensive, there will be little demand.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 1 January 2021 21: 44
            0
            Quote: XXXIII
            but the Americans may have where to go, but the goods are expensive, there will not be much demand.

            Quite right. But the Americans are solving this problem by depriving the EU of a cheap resource base from the Russian Federation, applying sanctions against the latter and threatening the EU with them ...
            Against its other competitors - Kazakhstan and Japan, the United States apparently uses a different approach, which also affects the competitiveness of the goods of these countries ...
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 1 January 2021 22: 24
              0
              Quote: Lara Croft
              But the Americans are solving this problem by depriving the EU of a cheap resource base from the Russian Federation, applying sanctions against the latter and threatening the EU with them ...

              Well, it depends on Europe, only the situation with the Russian Federation is not the same as it was under the USSR. Now the Russian Federation has launched a petty trade with Europe, and sanctions are not profitable on this. By the way, Europe is doing this together with the Russian Federation, because they understand that they also suffer, but worse than the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation now has the main partner not Europe, as many think, but China, namely a trade, not a financial one. Here Europe is just Russia's financial partner, there are loans, the IMF and partly mechanical engineering, energy, goods.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 21: 52
            +3
            Quote: XXXIII
            but the Americans may have where to go, but the goods are expensive, there will not be much demand.

            Have you bought any American goods in the store for a long time? Look at the Ford factories in Chicago - there is in the internet ... It is more deplorable than the aircraft plant in Kuibyshev - even though the Tu-154 is still breathing a little during repairs, the Ford "miracle" has long been overgrown with bushes. And the "economy" of the United States is 80% service sector. "Give it, bring it." Jeans "Texas" - and they were sewn in Italy. And look at the Levi-Straus website, when the last pants of the same name were sewn in the United States - in 1946 or 47 (I don't remember exactly). America turned into an analogue of the Roman Empire, into which EVERYTHING was transported from all parts of the world, and only shit was taken out of Rome. I didn't say Vespasian ...
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 2 January 2021 01: 16
          0
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          China can SIMPLY bring down America, but on the contrary, it is an American dream. Blue and unrealizable ...

          Just the opposite. America will do without Chinese goods, which are mostly consumer goods of questionable quality. Moreover, all sorts of Vietnamese, packs, and mexes will immediately rush into the vacant market niche. But China will definitely not be able to find a replacement for America as a sales market, so it will have to close factories and put workers on the street.
          And further. China does NOT provide itself with food. And they will not at once find suppliers capable of providing such volumes of supplies of wheat, corn, soybeans, chicken, and pork, in which America supplied them. Especially if the flow of money from the American consumer goods market dries up. And the combination of unemployment, shortage of food, and rising prices, if not topple the CCP completely, will greatly shake it.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 2 January 2021 01: 26
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            And the combination of unemployment, shortage of food, and rising prices, if not topple the CCP completely, will greatly shake it.

            In my opinion, the possibilities of US influence on the life of China by you, to put it mildly, are "somewhat exaggerated" .... And it is much easier for China to overthrow the United States than vice versa. And, all the more so that Mexico replaces China ... Have you seen a few Mexicans? Can they, like the Chinese, not 12-13 hours at the machine, but at least 3 hours stand? Accustomed to being an unspoken state of America, its appendage. Now try to make them work. And how the Chinese work hard - I saw live in Shanghai and Beijing. I would have plowed like that at a construction site - although I don't complain about my own ...
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 1 January 2021 21: 34
        +1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        the consequences are known to all ...

        So what? De Gaulle - the hero of France was and remains. The first president of the Fifth Republic, ruled for 10 years without amendments and "zeroing" ... The Americans returned gold in exchange for dollars ...
        China will not follow the French path and act out a French play. The time of endless "Chinese warnings" is over. Washington understands this, and China knows it too. Was it in vain that the parade was held? They showed the world their arsenal. Sorry, but Taiwan Strait:

        has nothing to do with the United States from any side.
        China will aggravate financially with the United States only in order to finish off the United States from the economic side. But this will happen in a very serious conflict. America, too, will not go to aggravation in the Southeast Asia region. The weight of the United States there is small, and the power of the allies is inferior to the power of China, and these allies themselves "no longer know how to get rid of the annoying patron."
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 21: 57
          +4
          Quote: ROSS 42
          China will aggravate financially with the United States only in order to finish off the United States from the economic side.

          And it will crash, first of all, across America. For China, it is tangible, but not fatal. And for the American economy, the conflict with China is fatal.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 2 January 2021 00: 52
      +2
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      But what if China demands that America return the borrowed money at once?

      Then the Chinese will get acquainted with the formula "to whom I owe, I forgive."
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 1 January 2021 15: 43
    -3
    The United States, at the mention of North Korea or Iran, go under themselves with liquid feces, and China will crush them like a bug.
  • zenion
    zenion 1 January 2021 15: 45
    -1
    The Americans will finish badly that the kraken will get bored and he will drag them away for a permanent stay under water, along with the crew, which will only remain untouched near the boilers.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 1 January 2021 16: 50
      -1
      Quote: zenion
      The Americans will finish badly that the kraken will get bored and he will drag them away for a permanent stay under water, along with the crew, which will only remain untouched near the boilers.

      dreams ...
      dreams .. we will win anyway!
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 1 January 2021 21: 33
        0
        Do you think? Fuck ...
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII 1 January 2021 22: 38
        +1
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: zenion
        The Americans will finish badly that the kraken will get bored and he will drag them away for a permanent stay under water, along with the crew, which will only remain untouched near the boilers.

        dreams ...
        dreams .. we will win anyway!

        Did you know that the euro is as expensive for the Europeans as the euro is for the Russians? They generally need to work for the euro, but they spend most of that not on the side, but at home. And you are looking there, but they are not looking here, they are looking at their Europe, because they live there and buy bread for euros, not go to a bakery in the Russian Federation to buy cheap bread.))
        Food prices 2020 As mentioned above, the standard of living of the Germans is quite high, therefore the prices are appropriate. Consider the average cost of food in Germany: bread (1 loaf) - 1-2 euros; buckwheat (1 kg) - from 1,6 euros;
        Buckwheat also seems to be a problem.))
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  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 1 January 2021 16: 16
    +1
    If the Chinese position themselves as a strong state, including in the military field, they must act without regard to the notorious "world opinion" and, first of all, defend their national interests. This also affects us!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 January 2021 16: 54
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      If the Chinese position themselves as a strong state, including in the military field, they need to act without regard to the notorious "world opinion"

      The mentality of the Chinese, a Western person cannot understand, you need to live with them, at least 10 years, then you can understand a little.
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 1 January 2021 17: 10
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      they need to act without regard to the notorious "world opinion", and first of all defend their national interests.

      Don't worry about china. His national interests have long since crawled out beyond his own national borders. And he acts much more impudent than the United States. Those at least do not bite off pieces of land from their neighbors and do not join them, but China is easy.
      You better worry about Russia. So that Murmansk or Smolensk does not fall into the sphere of "national interests" of China. Or so that another "border demarcation" is not necessary. Giving one more piece of Russian land to a peaceful neighbor.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich
        Petr Vladimirovich 1 January 2021 17: 30
        +2
        From abroad, of course, it is more visible ...
      2. sedoj
        sedoj 1 January 2021 20: 06
        +1
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Those at least do not bite off pieces of land from their neighbors and do not attach to themselves,

        Do you really think so? American intervention takes place through color revolutions. And they don't have to "officially" annex foreign territories. It is enough for these territories to recognize their suzerainty.
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        So that Murmansk or Smolensk does not fall into the sphere of "national interests" of China.

        Why this nonsense?
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 1 January 2021 21: 32
          +3
          Quote: sedoj
          It is enough for these territories to recognize their suzerainty.

          Recognized. And then what? Take Iraq as an example. Not that he recognized something there, and even not officially, and even not the fact that he did. The country is just occupied by the USA. Russian companies resumed their work there after 2 years. And now Gazprom's daughter is making money there, and Rosneft is also trying to get there. Both companies are terribly oppressed by the sanctions. And the promise of something to the staff, from Iraq, does not bother them much. But in China, our oil and gas workers are somehow not noticed.
          Quote: sedoj
          Why this nonsense?

          Sorry generously. But this is nonsense for China to drown. I don’t even remember who else would squeeze the land from Russia, not even winning the war, but on the fear of our rulers. And in my head it does not fit how you can not see the obvious. China has finally gone nuts and overdone. Take the same nine-dotted line for example. When the Chinese refuse to recognize the rights of the Philippines, because it is far from the Philippines, as much as a hundred miles, but close to China, only 2 thousand km. Not getting the obvious? The United States has them themselves, allies, albeit unequal, and enemies. And China has China itself, the pasture of China and the food of China that is not yet pasture. And when / if China becomes the number 1 power in the world, you will remember the era of US domination as a happy and cloudless childhood.
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 1 January 2021 21: 37
        -2
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Those at least do not bite off pieces of land from their neighbors and do not join them, but China is easy.

        And in the Bering Sea, whose land has gone "at the request of partners"?
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 22: 09
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      If the Chinese position themselves as a strong state, including in the military field, they must act without regard to the notorious "world opinion", and first of all defend their national interests.

      They don’t really look around - just remember Tiananmen and our Moscow-1991. The Chinese parted on "world opinion" and fired, and our dumbbells allowed what they allowed. And where is China now, and where are we? ... My father told me that in August 91 he came from Nicaragua. I cooked chicken soup and watched what was happening in Moscow on TV. If there were an order, I would go to crush the "defenders of the White House" with my bare hands. Only there was no order - the then leadership managed to do it fluidly. And the father, as a hereditary person, in the 3rd generation, a military man, did not fight without an order ... That is why today we have what we have.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 January 2021 16: 18
    +2
    It's good when there are a lot of ships, where you don't spit and you get a berk.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 January 2021 16: 55
      -1
      Quote: evgen1221
      It's good when there are a lot of ships, where you don't spit and you get a berk.

      Reasonably said.
  • Coconut
    Coconut 1 January 2021 16: 28
    0
    They decided to scare ... or to indicate their presence (like a dog lifts its paw on a tree)) in order to scare China a couple of troughs are not enough ...
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 1 January 2021 16: 33
      +1
      In a hypothetical war between the United States and China, the latter will take weeks. Well, they are not warriors. And our country, in this case, should watch from the "tree", according to the Chinese saying.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 1 January 2021 16: 38
        -2
        Where does such confidence in your opinion come from?
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 1 January 2021 16: 43
          +2
          Of course, China has a good fleet. Large. But not that. I think you will agree with me that they are not able to land troops on American territory. If the landing ships would overwhelm the Yankes, they would not go 300 miles. And if we completely exclude nuclear weapons, in the latter case, a massive blow to eastern China, where Shanghai and other cities are, will completely sweep aside any opportunity for China to win this hypothetical war. IMHO.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 1 January 2021 17: 15
            +8
            Quote: Ezoterik
            Of course, China has a good fleet. Large. But not that. I think you will agree with me that they are not able to land troops on American territory.

            I like that ! You are for idiots, you do not take the Chinese, as well as the Americans. I have not heard such a long time ago "Chinese landing in the USA, and US landing in China." Are you a humorist?
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 January 2021 21: 22
            0
            Quote: Ezoterik
            Of course, China has a good fleet. Large. But not that. I think you will agree with me that they are not able to land troops on American territory.

            And what for the Chinese to land troops in California? Just like us. The main thing is not to let the American troops on their shore (which America loves to do - do not feed them with hamburgers, let them get in somewhere). And the PLA will cope with this one time, even without our help. By the way, the Chinese landing party has been in America for a long time - look where two out of three Americans order grub at home ... Two - in Chinese eateries near the house. The third is pizza from Italians or Germans (yes, you heard right - in San Antonio I saw Germans baking pizza myself. And a rather popular place).
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 January 2021 17: 00
        -3
        Quote: Ezoterik
        In a hypothetical war between the United States and China, the latter will take weeks. Well, they are not warriors.

        Have you lived with the Chinese? Do you know these people?
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 1 January 2021 17: 04
          +5
          I know the Anglo-Saxons. Whatever they say, but they are great wars. Otherwise, Pax Britannica would not have happened, a quarter of the world.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 1 January 2021 17: 21
            0
            Quote: Ezoterik
            I know the Anglo-Saxons

            I know those and those, I lived with them) but about the Chinese, you better shut up.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 1 January 2021 21: 15
              +5
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I know those and those, I lived with them)

              What Chinese did you live with, northern, southern? They have different mentality and even dialects ...
              but about the Chinese, you better shut up

              Why should he be silent, who are you to point out to whom ... or are you provoking insults against you?
              Besides the fact that you lived with the Chinese, we have not read anything from your comments here ...
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 1 January 2021 22: 28
                0
                Quote: Lara Croft
                What Chinese did you live with, northern, southern? They have different mentality and even dialects ...

                I don't know Chinese, and even more so. We had Chinese in Transbaikalia, rather northern than southern, and many went to our school, and after Damansky all "drang nah china".
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 1 January 2021 23: 05
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                Quote: Lara Croft
                Besides the fact that you lived with the Chinese, we have not read anything from your comments here ...

                And YOU want me to cheat on those with whom I went to school and grew up. Will not come out sir.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 1 January 2021 21: 43
            -2
            Quote: Ezoterik
            I know the Anglo-Saxons. Whatever they say, but they are great wars.

            That's for sure ... They are brave "warriors" against civilians and countries with insufficient defense power. There are a lot of examples, but the closest “enemy” in this region is Vietnam. Ask them to tell you how they fought, how the American soldiers behaved on their territory. It's a pity McCain "glued the flippers together" - he could tell about the war and about his exploits ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 1 January 2021 22: 44
              0
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Ask them to tell you how they fought, how the American soldiers behaved on their territory.

              Yes, I was there, they took help to the port of Haiphong, saw enough of what the "democrats" were doing.
              It's hard to remember.
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 1 January 2021 16: 59
    +3
    I will write my own copy-paste. Again, as they say, purely IMHO.
    “Well, I don’t know how to present my opinion. Of course I’ll get a bunch of drawbacks, but still. Anglo-Saxon civilization will never fight with us. Yes, there are contradictions, but there are many of them. But. Wars with England and her heirs, regarding domination in the world We didn’t have it. The only time in history was the Crimean War. But the frogs did their best there. And so, always allies.
    Yes, the Anglo-Saxons they are so bad, "the Englishwoman crap", but how could it be otherwise? We wanted our empire to prosper, they wanted theirs. This is normal. But in the greatest wars of the past centuries, they were the Anglo-Saxons who were our allies. It is a fact.
    And in a hypothetical conflict with our southern neighbor, China, who do you think will help us? France, Italy, Germany? Not. They, the Anglo-Saxons, will help. "
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 January 2021 17: 22
      0
      Quote: Ezoterik
      But. We did not have a war with England and her heirs in terms of domination in the world.

      Was, but you do not know.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 January 2021 18: 35
      0
      Quote: Ezoterik
      And in a hypothetical conflict with our southern neighbor, China, who do you think will help us? France, Italy, Germany? Not. They, the Anglo-Saxons, will help. "

      I do not believe. According to your post above, it will be trite to look from a tree.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 January 2021 22: 51
        0
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        I do not believe. According to your post above, it will be trite to look from a tree.

        Anglo-Saxons help, only either when they themselves get pecked in the ass, or when it suits them.
        For example, take the fact that in April 1918 a detachment of Royal Marines landed in Murmansk, ostensibly to protect weapons depots. By December, there were 40 "Allied" soldiers in the area, including 000 British soldiers who began expansion beyond Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, essentially attacking our country. These areas, controlled by the British, became the center for the gathering and reorganization of anti-Bolshevik forces.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 2 January 2021 16: 21
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Anglo-Saxons help, only either when they themselves get pecked in the ass, or when it suits them.


          As the others.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 1 January 2021 17: 14
    0
    And if the US Navy makes a base closer to the borders of the PRC (and the essence of the base is not a demonstration, but intentions? Then what comments from the PRC will disappear?
  • Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 1 January 2021 17: 37
    +5
    Do not feed immigrants, as well as former brothers, with bread, just let Russia scare China with China ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 January 2021 23: 00
      -1
      Quote: Petr Vladimirovich
      Do not feed immigrants, as well as former brothers, with bread, just let Russia scare China with China ...

      And it’s not about emigrants, Nikita Khrushchev did everything possible to tear China away from the USSR. I remember when J.V. Stalin died, and how everyone in our village cried, we and the Chinese together. And then the persecution of the Chinese began. For the Chinese, Stalin and Mao are idols even now, and who is Stalin for us now ??? Yes, many do not know.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 2 January 2021 03: 29
        0
        Learn history. Miao Jedong was angry with Khrushchev because of the atomic bomb, they did not transfer the manufacturing technology to the Chinese people, they are absolutely purple with Stalin, the main thing is their interests. meow zedun pretzel with cockroaches in the head, and how the events would develop is impossible to predict, remember Damansky.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 January 2021 16: 50
          0
          Quote: Free Wind
          meow zedun pretzel with cockroaches in the head

          Well, try to say these words to the Chinese.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 1 January 2021 17: 57
    -2
    It is NOT important what the US does or does not recognize. It is important that they began to wipe their feet about the United States. And more importantly, the fact that Negro Americans kiss their feet. Such a shame, even the forelock, did not think of it.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 1 January 2021 18: 26
    -2
    OCCURRENCE THAT THE CHINESE WOULD NOT LEAVE A BULB FROM THEM
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 1 January 2021 18: 32
    -2
    americans are looking for adventure on their ass
  • APASUS
    APASUS 1 January 2021 19: 19
    0
    The Americans have a strange desire to plunge into a pile of manure where there is none. To tease China is understandable, but it is not clear why to spoil relations with Vietnam, they have been courting him for a very long time.
  • businessv
    businessv 1 January 2021 20: 32
    0
    At the same time, there is still no consensus in China about how the situation will change after Joe Biden's arrival in the White House.
    Yes, "sleepy Joe" should be watched especially closely during his waking hours! Fortunately, he is not often in this state! smile
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 1 January 2021 20: 33
    +2
    You know, but sometimes it seems that between the Anglo-Saxons and us there is a kind of mystical connection. Yes, we do not love each other. But after all, the hypothetical hard worker John cannot be distinguished from Ivan in appearance. Question...
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 1 January 2021 21: 09
      +1
      ... You know, but sometimes it seems that between the Anglo-Saxons and us there is a kind of mystical connection.

      You know, Adolf Hitler also traced a "mystical" connection with the Britons, and where did this lead him, remember?
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 1 January 2021 21: 24
        +1
        Dear Vadim! I do not consider the Anglo-Saxons our enemies. Especially my opinion. May God grant you happiness and prosperity this year. We argue a little on the site, express our opinion. This is absolutely normal, agree.
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 1 January 2021 21: 55
      0
      sometimes it seems that between the Anglo-Saxons and us there is a kind of mystical connection.


      And what kind of mysticism is there? laughing Eduard the Confessor or Harold Hardrada wandered to Kiev to gather an army from friends or to roll their shurymur there ... From England, through Norway to Novgorod and Kiev, everyone spoke the same Old German ...
      We've seen enough of how smoothly the powers in Francia and Byzantium functioned and got busy, moreover, making states everywhere - you can't rob constantly ... And after a few generations, the Russians and the Slavs were equalized (reference Russian Truth). And that's all, no mysticism. It is only in the last 250 years that the concept of national states has appeared, but in the Middle Ages, today you are with one feudal lord, tomorrow with another ...
  • Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 1 January 2021 21: 47
    0
    One - an unrequited provocation, two - a provocation with a toothless response - and now it is concluded that the reproductive organ of the PRC, as well as of the Russian Federation, is weak.
  • Gippo
    Gippo 1 January 2021 22: 58
    -2
    Gee)))
    Where have you seen Arleigh Burke without Tomahawks?
    They took care ...
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 1 January 2021 23: 15
    +1
    the appearance of two US Navy destroyers with Tomahawk missiles in the Taiwan Strait


    That destroyers and tomahawks have already proven their worthlessness. Shake their weapons and go home.
  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 2 January 2021 00: 34
    0
    Quote: Lara Croft
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    China can SIMPLY bring down America,

    Why would China do nasty things to its main trading partner?


    So the "partner" is so-so, does not want to pay even with promissory notes.
    The "client is always right" rule works only with paying clients. If a beggar beggar with ambition comes to the point of sale, they will (try) to drive him into stitches and kicks.

    The United States is gaining more and more negative points in trade relations. Two questions remain
    - not deciding what to do with their unsecured debts
    - and the fact that you need to have a sufficient military potential that would not be thrown elementary if it comes to a showdown who owes whom.
  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 2 January 2021 00: 46
    0
    Quote: ximkim
    And if the US Navy makes a base closer to the borders of the PRC (and the essence of the base is not a demonstration, but intentions? Then what comments from the PRC will disappear?


    The United States will rather have a different trend, building bases not closer, but on the contrary, away from the PRC. The Chinese have a lot of cheap medium-range missiles. They also do not have any restrictions on FIRM. All American bases are under threat of complete destruction, even conventional weapons.
    In terms of intercontinental missiles and similar capabilities (attack with aug, strategic aviation, nuclear submarines), China has something, but they are very inferior to the United States.

    So for the United States, it is wiser to locate bases far from the PRC.
    Here is the deployment of medium-range missiles at the "allies" in the region, yes. But that's another story and a round of the arms race at a new level.
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  • Gunther
    Gunther 2 January 2021 02: 38
    +1
    Agent Donald met my expectations. soldier
    Now I'm waiting for the introduction of martial law in the mattress, because Agent Bidon is too dilapidated to perform the tasks introduced by Russian hackers into the patient's neocortex. laughing
  • kig
    kig 2 January 2021 04: 15
    0
    The Taiwan Strait is international waters. Any vessel, including warships of any country, have the right to pass.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 2 January 2021 06: 43
    0
    China then, China, behold, what should we worry about, it is a situational partner, the same chameleon as Turkey, the knife will stick just turn your back, see what Turkey is doing in our underbelly? Or not? Azerbaijan fell under it, Kazakhstan follows in the same footsteps, more than 200 military Kaz. They are undergoing training in Turkey, and the silence is not for nothing that Nikonov and Fedorov raised the topic of the lands of Kazakhstan, there was a reason, it is not in vain that the Americans are equipping checkpoints on the borders of the Kazakhs at their own expense, they have placed a preparatory camp 80 km from our border, and all of China and its problems here the Kazakhs are poisoning us. I am not a scout or a security officer, but all that multi-move with a staged assassination attempt on Erdogan immediately seemed to me to be a staging and I said this more than once, especially now with Erdogan's statement about Turan, Turan is the idea of ​​Gulen whom Erdogan accused of a coup, isn't it strange? And all the latest terrorist attacks, attempts to commit them, screeching in the networks and inciting hatred among different confessions of the Russian Federation are the work of Turkey and its colleagues from Zaluzh.