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The Ministry of Defense of Poland was forced to answer the question why the decision was made to modernize the BMP-1

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The Ministry of Defense of Poland was forced to answer the question why the decision was made to modernize the BMP-1

In Poland, it is reported about the ongoing process of selecting companies that will be engaged in the modernization of the BMP-1 in service with the national army. At the same time, among a wide range of Polish experts, the very information about the modernization of this armored vehicle raised many questions. Chief among them: "Why was it necessary to spend money on the modernization of Soviet-made technology if Poland is moving to NATO standards?"


The Polish Ministry of Defense was forced to answer this and other questions related to the modernization of the BMP-1 (Polish version - BWP-1). In particular, it is indicated that in the Polish arsenal there are a large number of BWP-1s produced in the country, "many of which have a considerable operational resource."

Arguing the application for modernization, the military department notes the following:

Today, it should be stated that the Polish infantry fighting vehicles have not been modernized in fact since the beginning of their introduction into service. They have a large resource, but they have ceased to meet the requirements of modern combat. We decided to modernize. But this does not negate the fact that the modernization is only a transitional solution - until the complete renewal of our fleet of armored vehicles on the Borsuk BMP takes place.

Meanwhile, the Polish press notes that it may take several years before the complete replacement of the BMP-1 with the Borsuk BMP in Poland. How much is not specified.

At the moment, the list of companies that can deal with the modernization of Polish BMP-1, including the armament of infantry fighting vehicles, are three firms. These are two Polish ones - CMI Defense Polska and the cooperation of Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa with Wojskowe Zakłady Motoryzacyjne, as well as one Israeli - Rafael. Initially, there were 12 applications from various companies.

The modernization is based on an increase in engine power and rearmament of the BMP-1.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 31 December 2020 06: 14
    +9
    The hull and chassis will remain. The rest can and should be upgraded.
    1. mark1
      mark1 31 December 2020 06: 19
      +6
      Just the main problem with the case - it is a little cramped, everything else is more or less solvable.
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 December 2020 06: 23
        +6
        Quote: mark1
        Just the main problem with the case - it is a little cramped, everything else is more or less solvable.

        Well, the Slovaks showed how this can be solved ...
        1. mark1
          mark1 31 December 2020 06: 28
          +4
          In height, yes. With increased armor protection, buoyancy is questionable, but in the light of new trends (or old NATO trends), it seems like this is not required.
        2. chenia
          chenia 31 December 2020 11: 06
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Well the Slovaks showed how it can be solved


          The most sure thing is to reduce the landing. In a platoon 4 infantry fighting vehicles, with the same number of l / s.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 31 December 2020 22: 55
            +1
            Quote: chenia
            The most sure thing is to reduce the landing. In a platoon 4 infantry fighting vehicles, with the same number of l / s.

            Isn't there a lot of l / s in the Polish mech. Maybe all the same 3 BMP?
            1. chenia
              chenia 1 January 2021 10: 57
              +1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Isn't there a lot of l / s in the Polish mech. Maybe all the same 3 BMP?


              And this is not about Poland. The solution to the problem of modernizing and installing a module with more serious weapons is to increase the volume, reduce the landing. The platoon cannot be reduced. This means we are increasing the number of BMPs in the platoon. Expensive, yes. What is there to do?
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 1 January 2021 12: 08
                0
                Quote: chenia
                increasing the number of infantry fighting vehicles in a platoon.

                You will not only have to increase the number of BMPs in a platoon, but also the number of ARVs, tank tractors and tankers in the compound ...
                Expensive, yes.

                Not that word, an increase in the load on the Fuel Service, an increase in the number of rem. restore bot., construction of additional boxes for infantry fighting vehicles and increasing the territory of the fleet of combat vehicles .... etc.
                So what to do?

                Transfer to wheeled infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers (they are several times cheaper to operate and have a greater resource than their crawler-mounted counterparts), which European countries (with the exception of rich and large powers) are successfully doing ...
                1. chenia
                  chenia 1 January 2021 15: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Change to wheeled infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers


                  Well, no one refused from the armored personnel carrier (we are already talking not on the topic, but about the prospects). As a rule (although it happened in different ways) in the compound, one regiment for an infantry fighting vehicle, two for an armored personnel carrier.
                  Just the concept of using BMPs is to move them as close as possible to the battle line of tanks (but not in any case in one line). THOSE. if the APC is behind the chain, then the BMP is in front. Here the subtlety is when it is not so much the enemy's fire (although he too) can interfere with this, as the safety line of the fire of native artillery. And BMPs cover tanks from enemy trenches (their attacking infantry is 200 m behind, and their fire is not so effective.
                  The next option is to attack without dismounting if possible.
                  There are also requirements, but we are not considering this yet.

                  Hence the conclusion (so far without taking into account the use of BMPT) BMP must meet these requirements.

                  To enhance the capabilities, it is necessary to strengthen the booking (preferably while maintaining buoyancy) and fire capabilities.
                  And here the important thing is not so much the weight (although it is also important), but the volume. A person for his functionality requires at least 0,7 m3 (the most conservative estimate). And this is the volume of almost a ton of fuel (900-700 km of power reserve) or 180 57 mm shells. etc.
                  In how... And this relieves the load on the transport of senior formations of logistics units.
                  So, the appearance of 4 infantry fighting vehicles in the platoon is a matter of time (by the way, there is already an OShS with this configuration, the foe has long been there and more people).
                  And for one we increase the fire capabilities of the platoon (although we lose two people when dismounting.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 1 January 2021 20: 25
                    -1
                    chenia (kanonier)
                    if the APC is behind the chain, then the BMP is in front. Here the subtlety is when it is not so much the enemy's fire (although he too) can interfere with this, as the safety line of the native artillery fire. And BMPs cover tanks from enemy trenches (their attacking infantry is 200 m behind, and their fire is not so effective.

                    In what military conflict did you see all this?
                    To enhance the capabilities, it is necessary to strengthen the booking (preferably while maintaining buoyancy) and fire capabilities.

                    Need forced the IDF to make heavy tracked armored personnel carriers from captured T-55s, the SA was not worthy of this even in the conditions of warfare in the DRA ...
                    Heavy infantry fighting vehicles in the RA have appeared relatively recently ...
                    At the moment, the line on armament between armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles is being erased ...
                    BMP-2 and BTR-80A (and subsequent modifications) have equivalent armament and degree of reservation ...
                    So, the appearance of 4 infantry fighting vehicles in the platoon is a matter of time (by the way, there is already an OShS with this configuration, the foe has long been there and more people).

                    Well, the adversary always had more equipment in one botalion than the SA / RA ... not talking about the number ...
                    1. chenia
                      chenia 2 January 2021 09: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      In what military conflict did you see all this?


                      Believe it or not, I was taught (though almost half a century ago) to fight with armies and fronts. And so - the Arab-Israeli war, the Iranian-Iraqi war.
                      And in conflicts of low intensity, in general, specialized equipment can be used.
                2. Diverter
                  Diverter 6 January 2021 21: 44
                  -1
                  The APC is a bus for transporting l / s!
                  (How you "experts" tortured to substitute one for another! This is not an accurate translation.)
      2. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 1 January 2021 02: 23
        0
        Happy New Year!!! But here, at least dance, but no modernization will increase the explosion protection against mines, there is only a new building
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 31 December 2020 06: 19
    +2
    It's cheaper, and their manufacturers / repairers can earn a pretty penny.
    Logical.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 31 December 2020 06: 23
    +1
    Are you planning to replace communications and optics? Yes, and the gun can be changed to a more modern, smaller caliber, but this is their problem.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 December 2020 07: 03
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Are you planning to replace communications and optics? Yes, and the gun can be changed to a more modern, smaller caliber, but this is their problem.

      Poles, no, if that does not save, and so, to whom they nafig surrendered.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 December 2020 07: 22
    0
    Contact the Jews, the Merkava can work out! These, any whim for your money, the most important thing is that they did not end up in Ukraine! wassat
  5. sleeve
    sleeve 31 December 2020 07: 24
    +1
    Call Kurgan ... They will help.
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 31 December 2020 08: 40
    0
    "... why the decision was made to modernize the BMP-1 ..." Here is what they have "rebus, cracksword" ....! In general ... why did you, the devil sunk the boat? ... request
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 31 December 2020 08: 45
    0
    Why are they suffering with the choice of a company, they would give the order to Hoh Lamas and all business. True, the consequences are unpredictable. laughing
  8. askort154
    askort154 31 December 2020 09: 45
    -1
    Who are the Poles going to fight with? With Russia? You already tried in 1612. And since then you have been only a passage between Russia and Europe, Napoleon and Hitler went back and forth through you. Now are not those times and weapons, no BMP and NATO will help you if you decide to bully Russia again. The EU feeds you, so breathe into the back tube of the "Panov", not snapping your teeth at Russia.
  9. prior
    prior 31 December 2020 09: 47
    +2
    On the BMP Borsuk, Pan-Pole has an hour and a "gold reserve", scraped together only for the modernization of the BMP-1.
  10. Constanty
    Constanty 31 December 2020 10: 54
    +1
    Chief among them: "Why was it necessary to spend money on the modernization of Soviet-made technology if Poland is switching to NATO standards?"


    The real problem is different. The BMP-1 looks like a tailored suit.

    It is difficult to significantly improve the situation while staying afloat.

    The topic of modernizing these BMPs has been raised since the early 90s. There were various options, with a 25mm Delco turret, a 30mm E8 turret and even a 40mm Bofors turret. It always ended with blueprints and prototypes.

    Maybe because despite the words
    In particular, it is indicated that in the Polish arsenal a large number of BWP-1 produced in the country, "Many of which have a considerable service life."

    These BWP-1s were never produced in Poland, they are all from the USSR and Czechoslovakia.
    Now, when Borsuk is supposedly going into production, it is too late to modernize these machines - it is better to increase the number of Rosomaks with a Hitfist turret and produce new ones.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 31 December 2020 11: 33
    +1
    In Poland, they want to admit that they have not yet begged for money for old American BMPs.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 31 December 2020 23: 14
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      In Poland, they want to admit that they have not yet begged for money for old American BMPs.

      And why do the Poles need American ones, if their tanks are Soviet and German, respectively, and BMPs must be either Soviet or German ..., another thing is wheeled armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles ... there are many European manufacturers, which the Poles use .. ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 1 January 2021 12: 15
        -1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Why do the Poles need American ones?

        They have no choice. If the Americans give the money, whose BMP will be bought?
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 1 January 2021 12: 29
          -1
          Quote: APASUS
          They have no choice. If the Americans give the money, whose BMP will be bought?

          Well, the Poles can buy American wheeled infantry fighting vehicles, not tracked ... and the Polish deputy. for those. the sum will come down with such a variety of BT ...
          Most likely, the empirialists distributed among themselves the arms market of the countries of Eastern Europe, American aircraft combat aircraft, European ground B and BT ...
  12. Brturin
    Brturin 31 December 2020 13: 01
    0
    Meanwhile, the Polish press notes that it may take several years before the complete replacement of the BMP-1 with the Borsuk BMP in Poland. How much is not specified.

    Several years ... before serial production, several years after ...
    If everything goes as planned, the second prototype of the combat vehicle will be manufactured and will begin military tests in 2021. If the military trials are completed successfully, then the serial production of "Barsukov" can begin in 2023-2024, said Mr. Zayonts. At the same time, the high cost of new BMPs can become a serious problem for the Polish military-industrial complex and the army. Polish media estimate the starting cost of the new infantry fighting vehicle at 25 million zlotys (approximately $ 6,45 million). https://topwar.ru/176484-bronirovannyj-barsuk-v-polshe-sozdajut-novuju-bmp.html
  13. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 31 December 2020 13: 40
    +1
    The Ministry of Defense of Poland was forced to answer the question why the decision was made to modernize the BMP-1


    Because the homeless, and could not beg the decommissioned Bradley from their American owners))
  14. Usher
    Usher 31 December 2020 19: 53
    -1
    cheza badger?
  15. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 31 December 2020 23: 06
    0
    At the end of the OVD, the basis of the military power of the Polish Army's army was 11 MD, which were mainly armed with tracked armored combat vehicles, so the Poles decided to make something out of the "miserable remnants" (according to VIKI) of their former might - 1 units. BMP-268 ...
    Why not, most of it can later be spent on drink to orphans from the former Ukrainian SSR, as well as comrades from Africa ...
  16. orionvitt
    orionvitt 1 January 2021 18: 01
    0
    if Poland goes over to NATO standards? "
    As they say in Odessa "sha, no one goes anywhere". laughing All these loud shaking of the air, about the "common European home", about "some standards", and so on, are simply ridiculous. In such news, the true state of affairs is perfectly traced. Overseas owners did not give money, they did not even supply their decommissioned equipment, which means they will modernize Soviet junk, developments of the 60s. So to speak, the Soviet legacy of the "bloody communists". So much for all of Great Poland. And how many screams, like we are a "great nation", "empire from can to ...". laughing Another pancake for Belarus will answer.