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Turkish Foreign Minister: No one in the world has the right to demand from us to withdraw troops from Libya

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The Turkish authorities are entering a new phase of military-political confrontation with a number of countries in the world. First of all, we are talking about Turkey's confrontation with France and Egypt. This is due to the demands of Paris, Cairo and other capitals to Ankara to withdraw its military contingent from Libya. In particular, in Egypt they say that the Turkish military presence poses a threat not only to the restoration of Libya, but also to the security of the Egyptian state. Recall that earlier in Cairo, they actually put forward an ultimatum to the so-called Government of National Unity of Libya and its Turkish allies: if their troops advance east of Sirte, then the Egyptian army will enter Libyan territory to protect the interests of Egypt.


Today Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu commented on the demands for Ankara to withdraw its military from Libya. In fact, he turned primarily to the authorities of France and Egypt.

Cavusoglu:

No one in the world has the right to demand that Turkey withdraw its troops from Libya. Neither Haftar nor any country can demand this from us.


It should be recalled that a few days ago, the commander of the Libyan National Army, Khalifa Haftar, said:

There will be no peace on our land as long as the Turkish boot tramples this land.

According to Haftar, the Libyans are ready to fight for their country with foreign invaders.

It is important to note that two delegations visited Libya this week: the Turkish one, led by Defense Minister Hulusi Akar, and the Egyptian.
It is noteworthy that both delegations met with the PNC of Fayez Sarraj. For Egyptian representatives, this is the first meeting with Sarraj's forces opposing Haftar in recent years.
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  1. 7gor
    7gor 30 December 2020 18: 44
    +6
    Yeah ... The Turks believed in themselves!
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 30 December 2020 20: 06
      +6
      Quote: 7gor
      Yeah ... The Turks believed in themselves!

      laughing Yeah, they did. Just like the Armenians before this autumn believed in themselves as mighty warriors. wassat That the Americans are bombing this Turkey in the Stone Age at the moment. That Russia. One SSBN with the launch of three or four ICBMs. And we will remember about the "invincible Bayraktars" from the rock carvings crying laughing
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 30 December 2020 22: 46
        +6
        Therefore, the Turks believed in themselves that they knew that no one would use SSBNs. Neither we, nor the States, nor France. wink
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 30 December 2020 23: 10
          +11
          It's funny that, believing in themselves, they immediately began to behave rudely.
          And then they began to lose their former allies. Visually showing what friendship with the Turks is worth.
          Their advantage won't last long.
          Nobody likes boors. And the boors, because of which their safety and wallet suffer, are ten times less loved.
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 31 December 2020 00: 40
            -4
            Shurik70 (Alexander)
            It's funny that, believing in themselves, they immediately began to behave rudely.
            wink They behave in a boorish way exactly as long as it was originally agreed. You don’t think that everything that Turkey has been doing lately has not been politically coordinated to the north of Turkey with the located nuclear superpower?
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 31 December 2020 12: 42
              +4
              Quote: Observer2014
              You don’t think that everything that Turkey has been doing lately has not been politically coordinated to the north of Turkey with the located nuclear superpower?

              I doubt very much.
              In Syria, pro-Turkish militants are giving Assad a lot of trouble.
              Rather, Turkey, in the wake of recent successes, wished as in a fairy tale "I do not want to be a queen, I want to be the mistress of the sea"
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 30 December 2020 23: 28
          +4
          Quote: Alex777
          SSBN no one to use

          right next to it hangs the news about the arrival of low-power nuclear charges in the US Navy .. The threshold for the use of nuclear weapons is clearly decreasing, and against countries that do not have their own SSBNs .. so very low ..
          so .. I would not say so unequivocally.
          During the Soviet era, the world was bipolar .. and the use of any yao was seen as aggression against one of the poles. Now everyone is his own pole ... and where to apply a 20-30kt charge .. obviously not a problem ..
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 31 December 2020 00: 05
            +2
            Quote: dvina71
            .and where to apply a 20-30kt charge .. obviously not a problem ..

            20 kolotons is Hiroshima. I would look at someone who dares to "go down in history" today. Although it seems that for many in Washington this is not a problem ... They want to go down in history as the instigators of the Third World War ... Can't wait ...
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 31 December 2020 00: 10
              +3
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              I would look at someone who dares to "go down in history" today.

              PFF .. not later than a couple of years ago .. the Yankees razed a couple of cities to the ground .. Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq .. using B-52 to dump cast iron .., they don't even have a pathetic likeness of Hephaestus ... for this ...
              AND? Someone told them something? ..
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 31 December 2020 00: 18
                +2
                Quote: dvina71
                Someone told them something? ..

                With Hiroshima and Nagasaki, America has ALREADY entered History, and Raqqa and Mosul are just episodes in pirate and gangster foreign policy, they will simply be recorded as a separate line in the list of crimes. Somewhere between Grenada and Lieutenant Kelly ... The Germans do not remember the "firestorm" of Cologne ... And they will forgive it. And I would not forgive - like Leningrad and Stalingrad.
      2. mvg
        mvg 30 December 2020 23: 24
        -4
        You are a rare "unreasonable person". The comments speak of vocational schools.
      3. Anar
        Anar 31 December 2020 09: 33
        -5
        Turkey knows that if it has to fight several countries at once, then many countries will intercede for it at once. Both Egypt and France know this. If Egypt is a fishmonger, it will immediately receive a slap from Pakistan, which will stand up for Turkey as a mountain. And the Pakistani is much crazier than the Turks. And China is already behind Pakistan ...
        Yes, and Indonesia, Qatar, Afghanistan will not stand aside literally in the very first days, they will join the war for Turkey. Some of them are rich in money, some with weapons, and some with just knives ... But most importantly, they are all strong ideas.
        1. GKA72
          GKA72 1 January 2021 15: 16
          +1
          all that you have listed is so nothing. The main patron of Turkey is England. The Turks themselves do not do anything, they are led by the British. And China will not get into this squabble, stand aside and collect dividends.
  2. cniza
    cniza 30 December 2020 18: 46
    +25
    Turkish Foreign Minister: No one in the world has the right to demand from us to withdraw troops from Libya


    Even the Libyans? They suffered ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 30 December 2020 19: 30
      +9
      Quote: 7gor
      Yeah ... The Turks believed in themselves!

      Quote: cniza
      Turkish Foreign Minister: No one in the world has the right to demand from us to withdraw troops from Libya

      Even the Libyans? They suffered ...

      I remember that Someone with the patronymic Aloizovich also argued that no one has the right to Germany to indicate its place in the world - she herself will choose him. On that and came to power. We all remember how it ended. And something to me Turkey with its ambitions more and more reminds Germany of the year 1935 ... The Ottoman Empire was also gouged. 2.0 will not work - govinda is not the same ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 December 2020 20: 50
        +8
        I remember that Someone with the patronymic Aloizovich also argued that no one has the right to Germany to indicate its place in the world - she herself will choose him.


        Just one to one, even somehow it becomes uncomfortable ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 December 2020 22: 23
          +14
          They are remarkably similar in appearance! Eyes one in one !!! belay In gestures, too! Looking at these faces, you begin to think about the existence of reincarnation! By the way, in their biography, there are surprisingly coinciding facts!
          Hitler <=> Erdogan
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 30 December 2020 23: 12
            -13%
            Quote: pytar
            They are remarkably similar in appearance! Eyes one in one !!! belay In gestures, too! Looking at these faces, you begin to think about the existence of reincarnation! By the way, in their biography, there are surprisingly coinciding facts!
            Hitler <=> Erdogan

            You hate the Turks so much, and so openly try to get into the narrow gap between the Turks and the Russians. laughing Yes, you are just some kind of nuthatch. bully Have you tried organizing your own church for example? This is the first time I've seen such a stubbornly anti-Turkish Bulgarian. Are you a relative of Philip Bedrosovich Kirkoryan by chance? lol
            1. pytar
              pytar 31 December 2020 10: 21
              +6
              You hate the Turks so much ... This is the first time I see such an obstinate anti-Turkish Bulgarian.

              Ha, ha, ha! What are the Turks? I spoke specifically about Erdogan! Yes it is the Turks themselves write this about him!

              TURKHane: "Erdogan vyrvi on Friday on Hitler, imitiraiki go"
              And so frankly trying to get into the narrow gap between the Turks and the Russians ...

              Is everyone so tight? Just a crack between them? laughing
              Yes, you are just some nuthatch .... Have you tried to organize your church for example? .... You are not a relative of Philip Bedrosovich Kirkoryan by chance?

              Slabenko ... No. Your attempt failed! lol
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 31 December 2020 00: 11
            +6
            Quote: pytar
            They are remarkably similar in appearance! Eyes one in one !!!

            Another thing would be to correct the forelock ... For you, Boyan, as a Bulgarian, I think the Turks are also not at all high ... We remember history - and the brotherhood in arms as well.
            1. pytar
              pytar 31 December 2020 10: 11
              +4
              Just the facts:
              10 historical facts about Erdogan and Hitler that will interest and baffle!
              1. The correct pronunciation of the surname of the President of Turkey is Recep Erdoan, without the letter G. The name of the odious German ruler also contained 6 letters in the first name, and 7 in the surname (Adolf Hitler).
              2. Both were born in cities that also have the same number of letters (Istanbul - Braunau)
              3. Both, after flirting with Europe, filled it with refugees (Germany - Gypsies, Jews, Turkey - Arabs, Persians)
              4. Both Hitler and Erdogan have the origin of persecuted peoples, the German had Jewish blood, Erdogan - Armenian.
              5. The flag of Turkey and Germany under Hitler have the same colors (Red-white-black), on the flag of Turkey, black on the edging of the elements.
              6. Both are active speakers using gestures.
              7. Both Hitler and Erdogan began their wars 6 years after the beginning of their reign (1933, 2014).
              8. The similarity of the name and surname of wives. It is known that Eva Braun was Hitler's wife, but few people in Russia know the name of the wife of the President of Turkey. Emine Gulbaran. Gul - in eastern surnames, similar to Der in Dutch ones. Aside from this prefix, Eva Braun = Emine Baran seems to be right?
              9. Both were born into families with modest budgets.
              10. Both the President of Turkey and the Reichsfuehrer have 9 children with grandchildren.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 30 December 2020 20: 18
      +2
      When the master, the chief overseer, buried himself in his problems, different things happen, the unexpected.
      And then the options ... the owner will come back and give everyone a click or .... all \ many will fight.
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 December 2020 20: 51
        +4
        It looks like the owner got a hole in his own shoe and now his feet are getting wet ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 30 December 2020 22: 26
          +1
          We have to see with our own eyes who their true owner is, or vice versa, that "the king is naked." It won't take long.
          It seems to me that the system will survive and align everyone as much as possible ... it’s too big, rich and not used to limit itself to anything. Those. everything will be tough.
          Another thing is that they will come back, become what they were ... this will no longer be.
          In short, we'll see soon.
    3. Readme
      Readme 30 December 2020 21: 11
      +6
      If the Armenians want the world to forget about their humiliated dignity after losing, let the entire male Armenian population of the planet go to Libya and kill the Turks. Otherwise, it’s just a matter of balaboling, especially those Armenians who live outside of Armenia. Well, there will be many who want to arm them for the murder of the Turks.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 December 2020 21: 40
      0
      Quote: cniza
      Even the Libyans? They suffered.

      Oh, our Sultan carried from the collective farm stables, took a bite at the bit, foam at the mouth, the tail pipe and flies like a plague.
  3. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 30 December 2020 18: 48
    +2
    I wonder when the Egyptians get bored and break the Turks in full ... laughing
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 30 December 2020 19: 04
      +6
      Never. Turks are friends with Saudis again. They reconcile with the United States, just today they created a joint working group on the S-400, and began technical negotiations. Several joint military developments were launched with Britain and a free trade agreement was signed. Germany and Bulgaria are openly on the side of Turkey in the European Union. Tunisia began purchasing Turkish weapons, Algeria has repeatedly stated that if Egypt leads troops to Libya, it will respond symmetrically.
      Haftar, Egypt, France and Greece are clearly in the minority.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 30 December 2020 19: 19
        +10
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Bulgaria openly side with Turkey in the European Union.

        These are where they carried
        They completely lost their memory of how the Turks cut off their heads?
        Completely crazy
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 30 December 2020 19: 24
          +5
          In Europe, all heads cut each other. There has never been as many wars as on this piece of land. This does not matter.
          They are key trading partners, Turkey's overland exports and imports mainly pass through Bulgaria. Any European sanctions against Turkey will hit Bulgaria first.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 30 December 2020 19: 26
            -1
            Yes, although you're right.
            It's the same with us with the Germans and the French ..
          2. ultra
            ultra 30 December 2020 19: 31
            +5
            Yeah, Bulgarians have a very "big" weight in the European Union.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 30 December 2020 19: 37
              -1
              In conjunction with Germany, yes
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 December 2020 19: 33
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Bulgaria openly side with Turkey in the European Union.

          These are where they carried
          They completely lost their memory of how the Turks cut off their heads?
          Completely crazy

          "Ivans", kinship and common shed blood do not remember ... Although, looking at modern Eastern Europe - why be surprised? General "trend" ...
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 30 December 2020 19: 40
            +4
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            "Ivans", kinship and common shed blood do not remember ...

            I can no longer talk about them calmly
            Two world wars in the 20th century, and in all of them they were against us.
            Again against now
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 30 December 2020 19: 52
              +4
              Quote: Lipchanin
              I can no longer talk about them calmly
              Two world wars in the 20th century, and in all of them they were against us.
              Again against now

              I'm even afraid to think what will happen to them if they start burning them again in the ovens ... Will Russian Ivan, as they used to, want to pour blood for them? Or will he think? There will be an order, of course. But will there be an order? Looking at them - I hope not ...
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 30 December 2020 19: 56
                -4
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                There will be an order, of course. But will there be an order? Looking at them - I hope not ...

                Let there be an order and for the "non-brothers" we will go, albeit sickeningly.
                After all, they became puppets and beggars, although in the Union they were a prosperous Republic
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 30 December 2020 20: 27
                  +6
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Let there be an order and for the "non-brothers" we will go, albeit sickeningly.

                  A cousin brother, my age, lives in the Dnepropetrovsk region. Deadline telephone conversation:
                  Me: -Hi, Seryoga !, How are you, how is Aunt Vera?
                  He: - Why did you occupy us? Withdraw your troops! Hi...
                  Panopticon, damn it ... How are they pollinated there? But they grew up like siblings ...
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        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 December 2020 21: 45
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          They completely lost their memory of how the Turks cut off their heads?

          Well, about the head, you need to remind me every 100 years, but it's already been ???. There is no one to help, no one will climb the Shipka (really brothers from across the river).
        5. grindz
          grindz 30 December 2020 23: 25
          0
          He worked with one Turk, he said that his family lost land in Bulgaria when the Turks were expelled from there, so the land will probably return to its true owners soon.
        6. pytar
          pytar 31 December 2020 10: 36
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik: Bulgaria openly side with Turkey in the European Union.

          Lipchanin (Sergey): These are where they are. Completely lost their memory of how the Turks cut off their heads? Completely crazy

          Sergei, you probably consider yourself a great politician! lol Bulgaria does not side with Turkey! The cornerstone of the Bulgarian policy in the EU-Turkey relations is the desire to establish a constructive dialogue in order to reduce conflicts! Bulgaria, as Turkey's neighbor and EU member, is interested in this! This policy is reasonable, correct! She meets the interests of Bulgaria! The Balkans is a place where you need to have more discretion than usual! hi
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 30 December 2020 19: 24
        +5
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Haftar, Egypt, France and Greece are clearly in the minority.

        These are the very countries that are capable of creating problems for transportation by sea for the Turkish contingent.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 30 December 2020 19: 27
          -5
          That's right, create problems, not stop transportation. The war in the Mediterranean will simply not be allowed, it is not beneficial to anyone.
          1. poquello
            poquello 30 December 2020 19: 41
            +3
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            That's right, create problems, not stop transportation.

            ett the Turks have "transportation", and Egypt has a land border, if desired, Egypt will take the Turks from Libya
      3. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 30 December 2020 19: 30
        +2
        Never.


        The Turks thought exactly the same before the First World War. laughing

        Carthaginem esse delendam
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 December 2020 20: 35
          +2
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Carthaginem esse delendam

          The logic of a stubborn idiot ... The main thing is to declare, not the main thing to do. I'm not talking about you, God forbid! I'm talking about Cato the Elder.
      4. Cron
        Cron 30 December 2020 19: 49
        +9
        Never
        You, apparently, are not aware of what the present-day Egypt is and what they did with the Turkish Muslim brothers.
        If Egypt intervenes, Turkey will be defeated, because they simply do not have the resources to win this war.
        Turks are friends with Saudis again. They reconcile with the United States, just today they created a joint working group on the S-400, and began technical negotiations. Several joint military developments were launched with Britain and a free trade agreement was signed. Germany and Bulgaria are openly on the side of Turkey in the European Union. Tunisia began purchasing Turkish weapons, Algeria has repeatedly stated that if Egypt leads troops to Libya, it will respond symmetrically.

        All this looks like an attempt to pull the owl onto the globe. You are trying to attract some facts that have nothing to do with this situation at all.
        Algeria has repeatedly stated that if Egypt is leading troops to Libya, then it will respond symmetrically.
        I do not know what Algeria said there, but the constitution of Algeria prohibits military operations abroad.
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Haftar, Egypt, France and Greece are clearly in the minority.
        There, the list is much wider, take an interest. And there are Saudis, and the UAE, etc. Do not confuse any kind of friendship with interests. By your logic, Erdogan is our best friend
        The rest does not hold water at all. The US also had to consider the inclusion of the Muslim brothers in the list of terrorists. They are so for the Saudis and for the UAE, and even here. And who are they for the Turks you can ask. Just after their fall, Erdogan ran to support Fayez al-Sarraj, associated with them, in Libya.
        It's all much deeper than you have outlined
        1. Cron
          Cron 30 December 2020 20: 03
          +2
          Quote: Cron
          Just after their fall

          In Egypt
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    2. Undecim
      Undecim 30 December 2020 21: 39
      +7
      I wonder when the Egyptians get bored and break the Turks in full ...
      Well, the Egyptians are still soldiers, I strongly doubt their ability to break someone.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 30 December 2020 22: 01
        +4
        Well, the Egyptians are still soldiers, I strongly doubt their ability to break someone.


        And that's right. Yes, and for the last 6 years it is true - they have always been in isolation and calm. For good, they threw the bodies of the Nubians, but when a normal enemy appeared, they always raked. That the hiksos, that the Jews - slap the Egyptians as good morning to say ...
  4. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 30 December 2020 18: 50
    +2
    Soon they will begin to demand
  5. ximkim
    ximkim 30 December 2020 18: 51
    +2
    Libya can demand the withdrawal of Turkish troops if it wants to, but other states cannot for a number of reasons.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 December 2020 19: 06
      +9
      Libya - LNA, not officially recognized even by Egypt, demands.
      Libya - STA, recognized by the UN, on the contrary asks to send more Turks, planes, tanks, ships.
      1. poquello
        poquello 30 December 2020 19: 23
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        Libya - STA recognized by the UN,

        Oh! What are we throwing in here?
        House of Representatives (January 2016) or until the adoption of the draft constitution of Libya, but not longer than two years. That is, the maximum term of the PNC's mandate is two years, which expired at the beginning of 2018. Since then, the Tripolitanian "government" cannot be considered legitimate.

        and there were also conditions and obligations on which the PNS hammered, pt)))))))))))))))))
      2. ximkim
        ximkim 30 December 2020 19: 24
        +1
        This is the essence of diplomacy shattered, and then hoped.
      3. ultra
        ultra 30 December 2020 19: 32
        +2
        Is it okay that Saraj's powers have expired.?
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 30 December 2020 18: 53
    -1
    So, drive them out of Libya by force of arms! The Sultanishka generally confused the Ramses, everywhere he sticks his shuffling hands that need to be beaten off!
  7. Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 30 December 2020 19: 13
    +7
    Colleagues working in the country told: Jamahers lived under Brother Leader in real communism ... Now a little worse, but more fun ...)))
  8. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 December 2020 19: 29
    +3
    For the sake of justice, it should be noted that the Turkish military is in Libya at the invitation of the UN-recognized Government of National Accord, whether we like it or not.
    Exactly a year ago, on December 26, 2019, against the backdrop of the offensive on Tripoli by the army of General Khalifa Haftar, the Government of National Accord (PNC) Faiz Saraj sent Ankara an official request for military assistance to Libya "on the ground, on the water and in the air."
    On January 2, 2020, the Turkish parliament voted to send troops to Libya to help the UN-recognized government. hi
    1. poquello
      poquello 30 December 2020 19: 37
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      For the sake of justice, it should be noted that the Turkish military is in Libya at the invitation of the recognized UN

      for the sake of justice, read the above, and do not powder your brains with an expired government, the PNS has long been no longer a legitimate body
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 30 December 2020 20: 28
        +4
        Quote: poquello

        for the sake of justice, read the above, and do not powder your brains with an expired government, the PNS has long been no longer a legitimate body

        As I understand it, you have already overthrown the government of national accord under the leadership of Faiz Saraj. lol
        1. poquello
          poquello 30 December 2020 20: 33
          +2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          As I understand it, you have already overthrown the government of national accord under the leadership of Faiz Saraj.

          Khavtar will overpower him if he can, for there is no "consent"
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 30 December 2020 20: 33
        +4
        Quote: poquello
        for the sake of justice, read the above, and do not powder your brains with an expired government, the PNS has long been no longer a legitimate body

        Is an. In general, all attempts at negotiations were thwarted by the haftar. Either he did not fly to Cairo for negotiations, then he staged an offensive when the NPC tried to organize the very elections. In short, all the questions about the failed elections are addressed to the Haftar.
        To be completely honest. It does not matter how much you like the marshal (by the way, it is not clear why. As a military man is not even zero, the value is negative. Plus the classic traitor - Judas, who tried to destroy his country for half his life. just for people like him) but it is he who does not want to solve the matter peacefully. Everything is as simple as a perpendicular. If the west and east of Libya come to an agreement, he can only stand at attention and run orders to carry out, or again bring down the border. And try to destroy Libya a second time, as he tried under Gaddafi. And such variants of the typus do not suit at all.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 30 December 2020 20: 35
          +6
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          It doesn't matter how much you like the marshal (by the way, it's not clear why

          In general, it is not clear why our people like him. A US citizen, an open CIA agent, lost all wars, betrayed Gaddafi - the most vile character.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 31 December 2020 00: 55
            0
            In general, it is not clear why our people like him.
            Do not distort, Haftar "udot" is still the same, but an outright abomination is at war for the PNS: the ISIS, the Idlib barmaley, and so on.
        2. poquello
          poquello 30 December 2020 20: 44
          0
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          To be completely honest. It does not matter how much you like the marshal (by the way, it is not clear why. As a military man is not even zero, the value is negative. Plus the classic traitor - Judas, who tried to destroy his country for half his life. just for people like him) but it is he who does not want to solve the matter peacefully.

          Gentlemen, "honest", in Libya, Sarazh has gangs of terrorists on the salary, whom, by "consent," the PNS should have, if not disbanded, then removed from civilians. What are the choices? There simply are no human rights.
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 30 December 2020 21: 01
            +3
            Quote: poquello
            Gentlemen, "honest", in Libya, Sarazh has gangs of terrorists on salary,

            In fact, saraj is the legitimate government of Libya. Recognized, including by Russia. And "gangs of terrorists" turn out to be quite legal formations. If you think differently ... Call the FSB urgently. In our republic of Chechnya, in your opinion, a terrorist is also in charge. By the way. Study the position of our Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry, on Syria, and transfer it to Libya. A gang of terrorists will just get the league. Well, haftar is understandable, for the main dushman.
            Let's or will stick to the same line of conduct in all cases. Or stop nodding to the west, what they say are scoundrels. Or openly declare that we, too, scoundrels are no better than the Americans. And that typical pharisaism comes out. They say they are so bad because they have double standards. And we are so good because we have double standards.
            1. poquello
              poquello 30 December 2020 21: 25
              -3
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              In fact, saraj is the legitimate government of Libya. Recognized, including by Russia. And "gangs of terrorists" turn out to be quite legal formations.

              do not write nonsense, the Turks also have gangs of terrorists, whom our VKS perfectly ram in Syria.
              and this
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Recognized, including by Russia

              party to the conflict
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 30 December 2020 22: 11
                0
                Quote: poquello
                do not write nonsense, the Turks also have gangs of terrorists, whom our VKS perfectly ram in Syria.

                Well, the Turks can call our Aerospace Forces a gang of terrorists. And then what ?: If an armed formation is controlled by a legal government, then it is a legal formation. And let's not be that in the past they were uuuu ooo and aaaaa. I will repeat myself. According to this principle, we urgently need to hang Kadyrov, and all his Ministry of Internal Affairs and so on, at least imprison.
                I can once again remind you of the name of those who use double standards. yes
                Quote: poquello
                party to the conflict

                There is such an Indian folk hut. In 2012, on September 1, our Foreign Ministry quite officially recognized PNS number 1 as the only legitimate government of Libya. This was followed by the Skhirat Agreement. Recognized by the UN Security Council, where is what a surprise for you, and the Russian Federation is present. Separately, the position of the Russian Foreign Ministry on the shirats - "Moscow, in turn, is convinced that the only possible option for a settlement in Libya is political and diplomatic," said the press secretary of the Russian president Dmitry Peskov. According to a RIA Novosti source in the Russian Foreign Ministry, Moscow is surprised by Haftar's actions. According to Peskov, Russia continues to remain in contact with all participants in the Libyan process, and believes that there are no other options for resolving the Libyan problem. "
                In accordance with the Shiratsky agreement, a presidential council was formed and a stump, it is also PNS number 2, headed by a saraj. Further, the third center of forces - NK, joined the PNS, in accordance with the agreements of the skhirat. Further afield, the West Libyan government began to multiply radical Islamists by zero. But then ... One Bonopartik said that he was on the sidelines of the shiraty agreements, on the side of the Security Council's position, on the side of all agreements, including with the Russian Federation yes that he did everything to his side, except for the desire to steer the Libya, and flooded with a drill on the army of the West. Fighting terrorists.
                Sorry generously. But now I see only two sources of war in Libya. This is haftar and his megalomania. Even the House of Representatives was inclined to negotiate. But against the tanks of the Haftar, up to with a bare bottom ... You will not argue. And to support him ... The same meanness as unleashing the very mess. And we behave ourselves no less despicably than the Americans. Those, together with the Esovites, unleashed the massacre, we in the company with Egypt do not let it finish. The position of our elites here is crystal clear. As it turned out, our impoverished Alekperomikhelsons won't get a spoonful of oil from PNS. With haftar .... There are options. But what is the benefit to you to speak for this scoundrel? Russia will get nothing from Libya, if only losses. And they invest in Haftar for the sake of the starving oil billionaires of Russia. And you probably have a stake in glukoil which pocket burns?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 30 December 2020 22: 40
                  -1
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  According to this principle, we urgently need to hang Kadyrov, and all his Ministry of Internal Affairs and so on, at least imprison.

                  by what principle?
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  that in the past they were woooo ooo and aaaaa

                  ?
                  where is the past? (although here, in general, lies)
                  Libyan gangs have been gangs and remain
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  In 2012 year

                  Have you tried looking at the calendar?
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Further afield, the West Libyan government began to multiply radical Islamists by zero.

                  what? )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  But then ... One Bonopartic said,

                  "In his address, Haftar announced the severance of the Skhirat agreements of 2015, which became the basis for the creation of the Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli and the start of peace negotiations between the parties to the conflict."
                  well, if it doesn't reach that the gap is connected with non-fulfillment, well, what to take from you
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 30 December 2020 23: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: poquello
                    by what principle?

                    And in your opinion. Was in illegal formations? Well, it means that it cannot become legal by default. Again. How do the Kadyrovites in general, and Kadyrov personally, differ from their Libyan counterparts? Why does the Russian Federation have the right to take former militants to the service, pamper money, hang a Hero's Star, and the Libyans are prohibited from doing this?
                    Quote: poquello
                    Libyan gangs have been gangs and remain

                    Will it be difficult to confirm with facts?
                    Quote: poquello
                    Have you tried looking at the calendar?

                    I tried it. If chu, for example, we got Smolensk as much as 3,5 centuries ago. Is it time to return to Poland? For in your opinion, international agreements have not been working for 10 years.
                    Quote: poquello
                    what

                    Yes, I am aware that unnecessary knowledge loads your brain, breaking its crystal emptiness.
                    Quote: poquello
                    In his address, Haftar announced the severance of the Skhirat agreements of 2015

                    Can you ask a question? Who is this caliph anyway? If chu, then the House of Representatives rules the east of Libya. With which, by the way, the agreement was concluded. This Bonapartet is just an employee, not even the Minister of Defense, a simple foreign mercenary. US citizen, CIA officer. Planning an invasion of his former homeland, and when it did not work out, then a coup with the involvement of the military, disloyal to the Gaddafi. He tried to stage the second coup already in 2014. So that's it. What right does he have, to declare that he does not agree with something there? Disagree? Shut up before you get fired. Strongly disagree? Submit your resignation, and go home, in the USA. And in Libya you are nobody, and there is no name for you. An ordinary warrior, of very low quality, who was given to steer the stubs of the army.
                    By the way. He launched an offensive on Tripoli exactly 10 days before the start of the meeting between the Easterners and Westerners, who were supposed to resolve the issue of organizing the parliamentary and presidential elections. And he started it because in Libya he had only one thing - personal power. And he will fight for her until the last minister. And a world in which a haftar is just an official and is obliged to obey the parliament, the president, and many others, he does not need for nothing. He will multiply better than all the Libyans by zero.
                    I don't really care how you can drown for such ghouls. Twenty-three years, damn it, TWENTY-THREE, he tried to destroy Libya, now he is ready to pour blood on it, just to break through to power, he does not allow elections for two years, and you drown for this bastard? And for what? So which Usmanov got his piece of the pie?
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 31 December 2020 00: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      How do the Kadyrovites in general, and Kadyrov personally, differ from their Libyan counterparts?

                      Shugaleya watch or read Malkevich's report
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      I don't really care how you can drown for such ghouls. Twenty-three years, damn it, TWENTY-THREE, he tried to destroy Libya, now he is ready to pour blood on it, just to break through to power, he does not allow elections for two years, and you drown for this bastard? And for what?

                      Once again, do not lie about some elections when human rights are completely violated, and not for the sake of but against - PNS is a hotbed of terrorism and lawlessness, did you try to agitate for igil? it was also like a state
                      1. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 31 December 2020 01: 23
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                        Quote: poquello
                        or read Malkevich's report

                        Is this not the same Malkevich who walks under prigogine? Under the same prigogin, which is just in africa, he is thrashing. And with the communists, and with terrorists, and with nationalists, and even with six-legged ostriches, if they find something to pay for the supply of weapons and militants? As if not the most reliable source. yes
                        Quote: poquello
                        once again, don't lie about any elections

                        That is, the Vaas elections do not suit. Naldo will certainly cut out all the Libyans who for some reason do not agree with your opinion, they do not need? It's funny, yes.
                        Quote: poquello
                        pns is a hotbed of terrorism and lawlessness,

                        Again. PNS is the only legitimate force in Libya. Recognized by the UN, the UN Security Council, and the Russian Federation. Honey ... Yes, you are the most common terrorist. yes You openly call for the destruction of the country recognized by the Russian government. yes
                        Again. Haftar is a traitor. Betrayed everyone he could. Gadafi, usa, house of representatives. As a military man, it is strictly negative. Leaked everything that could be drained. A complete scoundrel. On what basis, you suddenly decided that this should be the head of Libya, and most importantly has any rights to do so. I repeat it for the third time. He is nobody. Complete zero. A mercenary in the service of the ward. He has no right to decide anything at all. Only responsibilities. Shout loudly - there is a sir, the master is to blame, the Comrade Minister will be executed. And quickly follow the instructions. All. At that, his functions are over. With what fright do you generally promote the idea of ​​seizing power in the country by someone who does not understand?
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 31 December 2020 02: 46
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                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        Naldo will certainly cut out all the Libyans who for some reason do not agree with your opinion, they do not need?

                        in in, this is now on the territory of the gangs of the PNS and is happening)))))))))))))))))))))))
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        With what fright do you generally promote the idea of ​​seizing power in the country by someone who does not understand?

                        Yes, because it is not clear who already has power there, or rather, it is clear that terrorist gangs have
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 30 December 2020 20: 26
    -1
    Halts hi In this case, the UN by the recognition of this government played into the hands of the same Turks, allowing them to bring their occupying armed bandit formations into Libya with impunity! !!
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 30 December 2020 20: 33
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      Halts hi In this case, the UN by the recognition of this government played into the hands of the same Turks, allowing them to bring their occupying armed bandit formations into Libya with impunity! !!

      Nobody played anything to anyone. The UN believes that the Turkish parliament violates a number of agreements, in particular the Security Council resolution adopted in 2011, which imposes an embargo on military cooperation with Libya.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 December 2020 19: 40
    +5
    Egyptians, they are still warriors.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 30 December 2020 20: 10
      -2
      The Turks are no better .. The last 300 years - only the lazy didn’t drive them .. I don’t think that now something has changed dramatically. Mentality ...
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 30 December 2020 19: 48
    +1
    here is the dude rushing, on the one hand, well done, he so impudently will easily enter the EU where he has not been allowed for so many years, and on a white horse, arrogance and faith in himself are serious helpers in life
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 30 December 2020 19: 53
    +1
    almost like the United States)) ... so, too, the sovereignty of any country is not a decree ... and like no one has the right except the District of Columbia court)))
  • minus
    minus 30 December 2020 20: 18
    -2
    Yes, the devil is with them, with these Turks ... What is interesting ... Almost no one today remembered that today is the anniversary of the founding of the Great Country!
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 31 December 2020 11: 15
      -1
      Day of the death of the Russian Empire. The communists cut Russia into pieces and divided it among themselves.
      1. minus
        minus 31 December 2020 17: 37
        -1
        Rather, a day symbolizing the end of the final collapse. Why does everyone forget when it happened? Just at the time when nothing was left of the empire .... Not the Bolsheviks began to collapse! They only came in troubled times and stopped!
  • Polymer
    Polymer 30 December 2020 20: 20
    0
    For Egyptian representatives, this is the first meeting with Sarraj's forces opposing Haftar in recent years.

    It seems that the Egyptians are making an attempt to outbid this expired PNS, since Haftar did not work out with the fighting.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 30 December 2020 20: 20
    0
    "Nobody in the world has the right to demand that Turkey withdraw its troops from Libya. Neither Haftar nor any country can demand that from us."
    I agree, the economy is not a country wassat
    The economy will force. How are things with the Turkish lira?
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 30 December 2020 20: 46
      +6
      Quote: Tank jacket
      How are things with the Turkish lira?

      Since July 2016, the lira has fallen 2,5 times against the dollar. Including for 2020 - by almost a third.
      To keep the lira at a negative real rate, the central bank of Turkey was constantly selling reserves. During this year, they fell from $ 74 billion to $ 45 billion. But of which $ 44 billion are the reserves of commercial banks. The Bank of Turkey's own reserves have come to almost zero. There is nothing more to sell, the lira has gone down, and a sharp devaluation may occur in the coming months. At the same time, the country's external debt has reached almost $ 130 billion, and if it fails to roll over, it threatens to default in the next year. And how can it be prolonged in case of spoiled relations with the USA and Europe? The country's sovereign ratings are already at the "junk" level and are falling further.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 30 December 2020 21: 05
        +2
        Thank you for the detailed comment hi
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 20: 23
    -1
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    I wonder when the Egyptians get bored and break the Turks in full ... laughing

    Oh, don't be ridiculous. The times of the Mameluks have sunk into oblivion. The first of the Arab countries to lose their political independence were Syria (which also included Palestine and Lebanon at that time) and Egypt, dominance in which was in the hands of a kind of military-feudal Mamluk caste. Mamluk beys and their head - the Mamluk sultan, who had his residence in Cairo. In the summer of 1516, the Turkish army led by Selim I invaded North Syria from Asia Minor. The Mamluk army, which arrived from Egypt under the command of the Sultan Kansu Guri, suffered a complete defeat at Aleppo (Aleppo). The Turkish army had artillery as an independent branch of the army, and the infantry (janissaries) had a good command of hand firearms. Skillfully using their advantage, the Turkish command easily defeated the Mamluk cavalry detachments, which had only edged weapons (swords, spears and bows with arrows). The Mamluk sultan Kansu Guri was also killed in the battle.In early 1517, the Turkish army of Selim I entered Cairo without encountering resistance and plundered the Egyptian capital. The Mamluk detachments under the command of Tuman Bey were eventually driven back to Upper Egypt, and after a while they were finally defeated by the Turks. Tuman Bey, given to Selim by the Egyptian Bedouins, was hanged in Cairo. yes Egypt supported the Ottoman Empire in the Greek War of Independence. For this, Muhammad Ali asked the Turkish Sultan Mahmud II for a number of lands. He received in 1822 the administration of Crete.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 December 2020 20: 25
    -3
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Never. Turks are friends with Saudis again. They reconcile with the United States, just today they created a joint working group on the S-400, and began technical negotiations. Several joint military developments were launched with Britain and a free trade agreement was signed. Germany and Bulgaria are openly on the side of Turkey in the European Union. Tunisia began purchasing Turkish weapons, Algeria has repeatedly stated that if Egypt leads troops to Libya, it will respond symmetrically.
    Haftar, Egypt, France and Greece are clearly in the minority.

    Turkish Foreign Ministry denied reports on creation of working group with US on S-400
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 December 2020 20: 29
    -1
    Quote: 7gor
    Yeah ... The Turks believed in themselves!

    Before the first shake by the scruff
    1. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 30 December 2020 20: 47
      -2
      and tagans by the scruff of a neck for a long time?
  • Tusv
    Tusv 30 December 2020 20: 33
    +2
    Yeah, the dude got crazy. The whole Arab league is for Haftar. As the bee and the offensive of the Turks drowned. What is it to us. We observe :
    - Ours will win
    - Who are ours?
    - We'll find out soon
    1. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 30 December 2020 20: 49
      0
      Vladimir, and here you are wrong, Turkey has never considered itself an Arab
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 30 December 2020 20: 58
        +2
        Why not right? When I say Arab League vs Turkey, Egypt zhezh says - we will drown to Ramses, if you trample with your "Muslim Brothers" wherever you go. Or isn't it?
        1. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 30 December 2020 21: 09
          -1
          Vladimir the Turks will use the Muslim world more they will crush under themselves you notice they do not care about the Sunnis, Shiites and they are not Orthodox here I am for the Turks, the main thing with them is neutrality by the way Azeri tomatoes are the best in 2020 and Turkish (you can see the varieties are not the same) kakat and Armenians in general zero draw conclusions
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 31 December 2020 00: 04
            0
            and here are Azeri tomatoes and Turkish ones) well, you are the traders) Not a whole Muslim world, Turkey does not have a majority! This is meant and there is a confrontation in him! )
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 20: 38
    0
    The Sultan must be protected. laughing France, Germany, Turkey and Britain must be expelled from NATO. And in return to accept Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine. There will be a powerful alliance. There will be a powerful alliance. AGUS. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 20: 54
    0
    Turkey is creating a permanent base in Antarctica, the project is being carried out by the President's wife Emine Erdogan, Turkish Minister of Industry and Technology Mustafu Varank said in a statement at https://twitter.com/varank/status/1311289497229955079? S = 21 "We are creating a permanent base in Antarctica , where we were not yet 4 years ago. We shot a documentary about a difficult journey across the white continent, "the minister wrote. laughing ..... The main thing is that the penguins do not mind. laughing
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 30 December 2020 21: 22
    +1
    Something the Turks have dispersed recently. With the United States in contradiction over the С400 and not only, they climbed into Syria, do not play around, they demand from Greece to cede offshore fields to them, gave support to Aliyev in the war with the Armenians, which affects the interests of Russia (do not forget about the flirting with Ukraine that has begun) ... There is also Libya, where, as it were, there are also many influential interested players .. As if they choked at one moment. Turkey certainly has a powerful army. But for a regional country. Its economy is far from ideal. Erdogan is walking on thin ice. It is worth making at least one mistake and the newly-minted "leader of the Islamic world" will be rolled into a thin pancake.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 December 2020 21: 23
    +1
    Quote: Ryaruav
    and tagans by the scruff of a neck for a long time?

    "Coward" has grown or idle interest?
  • Diverter
    Diverter 30 December 2020 21: 44
    +2
    all adequate need to help Khavtar in every possible way in order to organize the Turks unacceptable losses in Libya. only that will make them get out of there. The second option is to organize the overthrow of the tayep again, but asking VVP not to warn anyone)))
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 December 2020 21: 50
    0
    The Turks are very much mistaken in this matter. On this and burn.
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 30 December 2020 22: 30
    0
    Ertogan strides widely, will not burn out will do great. Either recreate the empire or bury its largest shard.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 30 December 2020 23: 33
    0
    Quote: 7gor
    Yeah ... The Turks believed in themselves!

    believe then believed, but only until they properly flew. It hasn't arrived yet, it's a fact, but there will still be roofing felts))
  • Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 31 December 2020 07: 26
    0
    I think a small-town nix will begin, turning into a regional batch. You don't have to go to Vanga, but Yeldogan's thread will be torn off ...
  • bogart047
    bogart047 31 December 2020 12: 21
    0
    gave Putin jobs
  • Free Island
    Free Island 31 December 2020 20: 10
    -1
    Mr. "Sultan Perdogan" is clearly addicted to hard drugs
  • Alex russia
    Alex russia 3 January 2021 01: 07
    -1
    It's time to give the Turks .... they are too loose! The only hope is for the States, since our great strategist only dances on his hind legs in front of the Sultan and build free nuclear power plants and gas pipelines in response to killed pilots, ambassadors, boorish statements in Crimea, sending military equipment by Turkey to Ukraine, destabilizing the Caucasus .. ....