It became known where the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine disappeared from the storage places of the assigned equipment in the Donbass

Last week, the OSCE mission missed more than 100 units of Ukrainian military equipment, which was supposed to be located at a considerable distance from the contact line. Now it became known where they disappeared Tanks Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage locations of assigned equipment in Donbass.

This information was reported to the Strana.ua edition by sources in the Ukrainian army.

On December 23, OSCE representatives did not find 14 Akatsia and Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers, as well as 93 T-64 tanks in the storage areas. The interlocutors of Ukrainian journalists reported that the military equipment was moved closer to the territory not controlled by Kiev, so that, if necessary, it could be pulled up to the very front in half an hour. This new place of deployment of armored vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is called a "rapid response zone."

According to the Ukrainian military, this was done in order "not to be caught off guard by a sudden attack by the forces of the People's Militia of the republics."

Each sector of the front has heavy equipment included in the rapid response teams. This is done in case the enemy suddenly starts hostilities.

- one of the officers of the Joint Forces Operation (JF) headquarters told reporters.

He claims that the armed forces of the Donbass republics act in the same way, that is, the situation is mirror-like. At the same time, there were no reports of observers about the loss of the LPNR People's Militia from the storage places of military equipment.

This means that, despite the New Year holidays, the defenders of Donbass should not relax.

Comments

[hydro]

Does this mean that Ukraine is preparing to make a maneuver and reach Donbass in 30 minutes?

[Insurgent]

Quote: hydroy

Is Ukraine preparing to make a maneuver and reach Donbass in 30 minutes?

Forgive me, what in your understanding does it mean "to reach Donbass" if 2 \ 3 of our territory is occupied by banderlog?

Operational map with a front line for December 2020 (the map itself has not changed since the Debaltsevo boiler):

[hydro]

The interlocutors of Ukrainian journalists reported that the military equipment was moved closer to the territory not controlled by Kiev so that, if necessary, it could be pulled up to the very front in half an hour.

[sailor roman]

These are the places of deployment for guaranteed destruction by multiple launch rocket systems of the Smerch type and UAVs, and from 8 km of ATGMs. And there are also powerful unexplored minefields and so on ... Are they going to fight with the Papuans? Well, who will allow them to overcome these fifteen kilometers. Well, those few Turkish Bayraktar will not help much, for them means of destruction have already been prepared.

[Kronos]

Why is that unchanged? How about the neutral vehicle captured by the Ukrainians?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Kronos

Why is that unchanged? How about the neutral vehicle captured by the Ukrainians?

Yes because unchanging that the advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the change in the front line caused by it, is suitable only for reflection in the reports and as a reason for accusations of violating the "Minsk".
More, their "toad jumps" did not affect anything.

[Cat]

If in 30 minutes at an average speed of a battalion tank column of 20 km / h, then this is 8-12 km from the front line.

[Cat]

If you believe the instructions, then this removal corresponds to wait-and-see positions outside the zone of actual artillery fire.

[fruc]

The interlocutors of Ukrainian journalists reported that the military equipment was moved closer to the territory not controlled by Kiev, so that, if necessary, it could be pulled up to the very front in half an hour. This new place of deployment of armored vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is called the "rapid response zone."

Were there any other assumptions? And so everything was clear.

[atakan]

One hundred tanks, and two hundred infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.
Starts 75, dies on the way 5 more, cheats and breaks another 5 - 7
There will be a dozen left on the mines, a dozen hailstorms will also beat the BMP without taking into account. There will be simple meat, it is a pity that the Americans and the Poles will not hurt.

[ccsr]

Quote: atakan

One hundred tanks, and two hundred infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.
Starts 75, dies on the way 5 more, cheats and breaks another 5 - 7
There will be a dozen left on the mines, a dozen hailstorms will also beat the BMP without taking into account. There will be simple meat, it is a pity that the Americans and the Poles will not hurt.

As the preferenceists say, "There is no sadder story in the world than a four-by-four trump card," so your alignment is completely inappropriate, if only because this promotion will come from a peaceful state, ie the commanders will have time to prepare well, and to take measures so that at least 90% of the equipment made the march without loss.
As for mines, the enemy is not stupid, and they probably know the areas of minefields and their depth, and therefore they will choose those places for passages where they will not suffer losses, having cleared mines before the main forces approach.
In general, you should not set yourself up in advance that something will not work out for them, but on the contrary prepares for the worst option, so that later snot on the fist is not wound.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Insurgent

Forgive me, what in your understanding does it mean "to reach Donbass" if 2 \ 3 of our territory is occupied by banderlog?

They themselves say that they are "temporarily" occupied territories. And they don't even know how right they are. Temporarily them occupied. And to you personally and to the whole Donbass of military luck and victory! We are with you, I have already sent 14 people from the company to you (volunteers). Armed, equipped, gave money with him. Unfortunately, one "two hundredth" has arrived .... The rest are fighting - the guys are reliable, the Airborne Forces have all passed, three of Chechnya. I would have gone myself, my soul is torn, Kandahar would have remembered - but there is no one to leave the company and family to. Therefore, I help as much as I can.

[2-2-XNUMX]

Come, you will remember everything!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: O-2-2

Come, you will remember everything!

Yes, I would have gone - the burden of responsibility for the fate and salary of more than three hundred people will not allow. I would have been on my own - I would have been in Donbass for a long time. Even together with his shepherd dog, which does not care who to chase across the steppe - gophers or gallops. Whom the owner says "Fas!", He will chase.

[Insurgent]

Quote: O-2-2

Come, you will remember everything!

And yourself, to leave, get out of the Donbass, while there is an opportunity, do you want to?

[2-2-XNUMX]

Do you give an opportunity ?! Thanks, of course, but no. Soon the shepherd will drive up, and its owner is from Kandahar. It will be interesting!
Holiday greetings! I wish you health and wisdom!

[Insurgent]

Quote: O-2-2

Do you give an opportunity ?! Thanks, of course, but no.

Even guarantees would be given. But if not, then:

Quote: Maxim Gorky (A.M. Peshkov) Pravda newspaper, 1930, number 314 of November 15

If the enemy does not surrender, they destroy him.

[uralant]

Quote: Insurgent

And yourself, to leave, get out of the Donbass, while there is an opportunity, do you want to?

This is for you, woodpeckers, while there is an opportunity, you need to roll to the historical homeland of Poland. Otherwise, remember both Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo, but it will be too late!

[midivan]

Quote: hydroy

Does this mean that Ukraine is preparing to make a maneuver and reach Donbass in 30 minutes?

Apparently inspired by Azerbaijan, they conceived a blitzkrieg ... Donbas can't relax, a hundred tanks, that's a lot ..

[ccsr]

Quote: midivan

Apparently inspired by Azerbaijan, they conceived a blitzkrieg ... Donbas can't relax, a hundred tanks, that's a lot ..

Donbass must not relax, but our military intelligence cannot miss the beginning of preparations for an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, i.e. so that as 08.08.08 does not work. Well, of course, it will be necessary to keep army aviation regiments near the border with Donbass, so that in an hour they can take off with a full ammo and destroy the advancing tanks of the Armed Forces. The issue can be solved more radically with the help of OTP, but then there will be a lot of stench.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ccsr

And, of course, it will be necessary to keep army aviation regiments near the border with Donbass.

There, this is enough. In the same Rostov and Voronezh regions

[ccsr]

Quote: Lipchanin

There, this is enough. In the same Rostov and Voronezh regions

The question is their readiness, not their availability - so that it would not be like June 22, 1941.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ccsr

The question is their readiness

Yes, I think that everything is all right with that.
Military people, they understand who is close by and what they are capable of

[Revolver]

Quote: Lipchanin

Yes, I think that everything is all right with that.
Military people, they understand who is close by and what they are capable of

Didn't they understand in 1941?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nagan

Didn't they understand in 1941?

Did not understand.

June 22, trains with grain were driven to Germany
All reports of the attack were called lies and provocation.
Have done a lot before June 22
Germany was an ally, and therefore Stalin immediately dismissed all reports that the Germans would attack.
Sorge remember

[uralant]

Quote: Lipchanin

Have done a lot before June 22
Germany was an ally, and therefore Stalin immediately dismissed all reports that the Germans would attack.
Sorge remember

You quit spreading these perestroika tales. Enough, the question would be studied. The directive was sent to the troops on time. The fleet was ready, but for some reason the army was not. Even in the liberal film "War" the ends could not be hidden. Ugh! It is disgusting to listen to liberals! They commemorate Sorge.

[uralant]

Quote: Nagan

And in 1941, therefore, they did not understand

In XNUMX they did not understand, in XNUMX they betrayed me. The fleet met the bombers, and the army was somehow shy, for which Pavlov was shot!

[Cat]

so it wouldn't be like June 22, 1941

This is a strong exaggeration - the layouts are not at all the same. Both political and purely military.

[1976AG]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: midivan

Apparently inspired by Azerbaijan, they conceived a blitzkrieg ... Donbas can't relax, a hundred tanks, that's a lot ..

Donbass must not relax, but our military intelligence cannot miss the beginning of preparations for an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, i.e. so that as 08.08.08 does not work. Well, of course, it will be necessary to keep army aviation regiments near the border with Donbass, so that in an hour they can take off with a full ammo and destroy the advancing tanks of the Armed Forces. The issue can be solved more radically with the help of OTP, but then there will be a lot of stench.

08.08.08. it happened because the then president lacked the determination to respond quickly, and the information about the Georgian aggression passed through normally.

[ccsr]

Quote: 1976AG

, and the information about the Georgian aggression passed normally.

How long did it take to know about the impending aggression, and why were the district troops no longer pulled up to the border and deployed? Can you answer these questions? And the fact that Georgia attacked, of course, the information was brought, as well as how long they thought in Moscow, too, everyone knows.

[bayard]

Then combat-ready aircraft and trained pilots were assembled throughout the country and even from the Far East. After such a lesson, both combat readiness and rearmament were taken up closely.

[ccsr]

Quote: bayard

After such a lesson, both combat readiness and rearmament were taken up closely.

Yes, it was this war that brainwashed some people, and our supreme rulers "suddenly" realized that such things should not be joked about. I think that they will not make such a mistake with respect to Donbass, since Putin promised them protection, which means who needs to "keep their ears on top of their heads." And this pleases and gives hope to the residents of Donbass that the Svidomo will not arrange a blood bath for them.

[bayard]

Today I called a friend in Gorlovka (artillery), like the New Year has passed quietly.
And the Sumerians are waiting for Biden's inauguration to start something stupid. When they first announced "Biden's victory", they arranged such a holiday along the whole line, for a long time in the center of Donetsk I had not heard such a thing.
However, after that incident, there was no more special noise ... And yesterday there was just a fireworks ... and from the regular shooter too ... But of course, nothing can compare with the New 2015 ...

[1976AG]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: 1976AG

, and the information about the Georgian aggression passed normally.

How long did it take to know about the impending aggression, and why were the district troops no longer pulled up to the border and deployed? Can you answer these questions? And the fact that Georgia attacked, of course, the information was brought, as well as how long they thought in Moscow, too, everyone knows.

A plan of action for our troops was developed in case of such a development of events, it was only necessary to give an order to open the corresponding envelopes, but since the then president did not dare to give such an order for almost two days, so it turned out as it happened. The troops themselves were ready for this.

[ccsr]

Quote: 1976AG

An action plan for our troops was developed in case of such a development of events, it was only necessary to give an order to open the corresponding envelopes,

As far as I know, there may have been plans, but the troops of the district to the border with Georgia were not brought up and were not demonstratively deployed. In this situation, it is unlikely that Saakashvili would have dared to attack, because the Americans probably informed him that our troops were in the PPD and he would have time to capture South Ossetia. After all, it is difficult to imagine that American military specialists did not advise the Georgians and did not supply them with intelligence information.

Quote: 1976AG

the then president for almost two days hesitated to give such an order

It really was so - those who lost their relatives in that war will not forgive him such carelessness.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ccsr

so that it doesn't work like 08.08.08

The president was not the same, he relaxed the rolls. Of course, everyone understands who gave the command to the “proud Georgians” to shibanut the snot - and not the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. I hope there won't be a second 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX - they won't allow ...

[svp67]

Quote: hydroy

Does this mean that Ukraine is preparing to make a maneuver and reach Donbass in 30 minutes?

To reach Donbass, Ukraine does not need to spend so much time, it is already there

[hydro]

To the front line ... and there and beyond ..

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

To reach Donbass, Ukraine does not need to spend so much time, it is already there

The commentators who write above apparently believe that the main positions of the ukrovermacht are somewhere near Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Zaporozhye, and the equipment is moving out from there ...

[Alexander 3]

Yes, that's for sure, but for the last time.

[Hunter 2]

Normal people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year! And these "little guys" apparently wanted to fight again ... Very sad news, again the peaceful people will be bombarded, again Blood. I hope the non-brothers are aware that they will shoot at the Citizens of Russia ... and how will it end for them? LDNR - Happy Holidays to you! May Peace already come in your homes!

[novel66]

Lesha I have been saying for a long time that our aviation should crap on their positions, in which case and warn that a repeat is inevitable

[Lipchanin]

Quote: novel xnumx

Lesha I have been saying for a long time that our aviation should crap on their positions, in which case and warn that a repeat is inevitable

"Hurricanes" will be enough.
Oin volley and they scatter through the burrows
Roman

[2-2-XNUMX]

You have long been under fire from MLRS. Is there an understanding that "they" will scatter or not? Maybe under NURS? Share your experience, pl.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: O-2-2

You have long been under fire from MLRS.

And I don't kill peaceful people.
I do not support Banderlog and with TWO hands "FOR" your complete destruction

[2-2-XNUMX]

Decent answer to the question. "Your complete destruction", such a fascist. Well two, so two! A plus for you!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: O-2-2

such a fascist

No, fascists, THIS IS YOUR BANDERLOGS.
My dends beat you dashingly, fascist henchmen
Yes, it's a pity not finished off

[2-2-XNUMX]

Yes, my kind too, Grandfathers. And Finns still, before that, so, probably someone needed it. The last thing about the Finns. And your Grandfathers would not have understood you in your previous sayings. IMHO.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: O-2-2

in your previous sayings. IMHO.

Did I when I said that I was ready to kiss Banderlog and all who support them in the gums?

[Kushka]

You are right, they (Grandfathers) beat. I was in Uzhgorod myself
Komsomol kid and goggled his eyes:
On the whole end of the house there is a poster "25 years of Soviet power"
This is the 69th when the whole country just celebrated
with celebrations and a Parade round date -50 years!
There is a special cemetery (was), I read and
I don’t understand - k.a. Ivanov, died in battle with nationalists
... ... 1948, and there are whole numbers of them! And at school I mean it
did not say! Then I learned that this massacre was before
early 50s! Well, why did they die? To EBN on
poured glasses into the Pushcha, and gave everything he won
NATO members? FREE! Here you would take the liberty
look these Grandfathers in the eyes if they stood up?
Just do not rush to tell the king Borku.
Another Russian tsar, to whom Bogdan in 1651,
tired of fighting the Poles, brought Ukraine on a silver platter
with a blue border - so he too (after six years)
to the same POLES and gave it!
Lenin did the same TWICE - (Peace of Brest) -
ceded Ukraine to the Germans for FREE! (these themselves then abandoned,
when the revolution happened at home) - 1,
and in 1920, shamefully losing the Soviet-Polish war
(Treaty of Riga) for the same Poles -2!
Well, Stalin from 1939 (therefore 25 years old) and until 1953 !!!
I had to start all over again! (well, probably, so that Borka
who to give). Well, how, let's go, tell the Grandfathers?
And if we burn out there with shame, then we deservedly allowed it.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Kushka

! Here you would take the liberty
look these Grandfathers in the eyes if they stood up?

No

[Kushka]

And I would go. 53 years have passed, and I have
these two tanks are still in front of my eyes
at the entrance to the cemetery on pedestals.
I don't know about tanks (naval)
but they said that it was light (mountain, or something),
who participated in the battles in the Carpathians and
endless rows of graves. I was 16
could not understand why k.a., why 1947, 48,49
year., After all, the war ended on May 9, 1945!
Why 25 years of Soviet power?
Eh grandfathers, grandfathers ...
And they are not alone - there are also those that are older
in the civilian. Christmas trees-sticks -20 million people
Chopped each other into noodles for "All power
To the Soviets, land for peasants, factories for workers "
(water for sailors, euros for Jews would have been added).
What did they fight for, what did they die for?
For Gref, for Abramovich, for Vekselberg?
Whose banks, factories, steamers are now?
But this is your grandfather and my grandfather - well, they got up
would suddenly and who would look them in the eye?
Probably, there are no such people now, it is impossible.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kushka

Lenin did the same TWICE - (Peace of Brest) -
ceded Ukraine to the Germans for FREE! (

Yes, it’s better that he doesn’t ... But come on, what happened, what can you do.

[bk0010]

Quote: Kushka

Lenin did the same TWICE - (Peace of Brest) -
ceded Ukraine to the Germans for FREE! (these themselves then abandoned,
when the revolution happened at home) - 1,
and in 1920, shamefully losing the Soviet-Polish war
(Treaty of Riga) for the same Poles -2!

The first time does not roll: Ukraine has been an independent state since November 7, 1917 (UNR), which was on a par with the Germans. It was destroyed by the coup of Skoropadsky in 1918, which also got along with the Germans.

[Kushka]

In order, the Bolsheviks (Muravyov) took Kiev (January 1918)
Simon Petliura (January 1919) signs EVIL - accession
western Ukraine.
The Bolsheviks, having lost the Soviet-Polish war, sign
Riga Treaty (March 1921) and give Ukraine to Poland (and that
Petliura is with them!)
The Polish Republic acquired vast territories to the east of the Curzon Line, Western Belarus (Grodno province) and part of the territories of other provinces of the Russian Empire.

The Soviet side agreed to return the war booty, all scientific and cultural values ​​exported from the territory of the Kingdom of Poland from January 1, 1772 to the Polish Republic, and also pledged to pay Poland 30 million gold rubles within a year for the contribution of the Kingdom of Poland to the economic life of the Russian Empire and transfer the Polish side of the property in the amount of 18 million gold rubles, that is, to pay de facto reparations [3]. The Polish Republic was relieved of responsibility for the debts and other obligations of the former Russian Empire.
If this is not enough for you, I remind you - already on 22.06.41 the Nazis bombed
Kiev and Sevastopol, that is, those who trumpeted that they will beat
enemy on its territory - GIVEN UKRAINE (and Belarus too)
from the FIRST DAY of the war to the fascists, who very quickly finished
right up to Taganrog + two terrible cauldrons. This is to feed the fascists
ate before the storming of Moscow?
Question 1 - why the hell was the Pereyaslav Rada fenced in 1654,
so that Tsar Alexei would give Ukraine to Poland in 6 years?
Question 2 - why the hell did Muravyov shed blood - passed Ukraine from
Kharkov to the Crimea and threw the whites into the Black Sea? Lenin
gave it to the Poles (up to the Bug) + 30 +18 million in gold?
Question 3 - how many times will Russia take Ukraine, putting in it
land hundreds of thousands, millions of soldiers and then give it for FREE?
(Poles, Germans, again Poles, again Germans and finally NATO)

[hydrox]

Would you rather be less about Ukraine, but more about Ukrainians - what did they themselves want all their lives and fought for all their lives?
If you say anything intelligible and unambiguous, I will be infinitely grateful to you ...

[Kushka]

Oh, that's how. Answer clearly - what is the point of action
and Russia and later the USSR (shortly) - Lenin twice managed
to give Ukraine -Germans -Brest Treaty, and Poles-
The Riga Treaty, so that Stalin would beat it off twice
in 1939 for the Poles and 1945 for the Germans. And this is all for
so that Yeltsin in 1991 her ALL (with Donbas and Crimea!)
gave NATO (NATO does not climb out of Lvov, Odessa and Mariupol) !?
Here's how to understand it? (what else is Tsar Alexei,
received Ukraine from Bohdan in 1654, after 6 years he gave it
to the Poles, it seems to justify nothing), you answer
do not want and go away from the answer.
And I answer your question - Ukrainians, this is a triune part
the Russian people and lived together for thousands of years and never for anything
did not fight separately - they fought together for Ishmael and Paris,
and for Berlin.
Or do you seriously consider the fight between Muravyov and students near Kruty
the struggle of the people? Or are you fighting the NKVD with the forest brothers from 1939 to 1953
belong to Ukraine? I remind you that they were all citizens of others
states - Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia - they were not citizens
Ukraine, citizens of the USSR (Bender - citizen of Poland, Polish
a terrorist bandit and a Polish prisoner). Is that what you mean by "fought"?
So there are nationalists, separatists in any country - the USA (Texas),
Canada (Quebec), Spain (Basques), England (Ireland), etc.
Well, what have you come up with about the "separate" struggle of the Ukrainian people?
That Chechnya fought !, IRA fought!
Therefore, I do not remove my question - why Russia, every time,
as soon as the roasted cock bites, I apologize, - throws it out
Ukraine is like a white flag - NATE, TAKE it!
And at the same time, it is constantly being affirmed -Ukraine is primordially Russian
land, Ukrainians are part of the Russian people!
Is that what they do with PART of their people?
Is this what they do with part of the land RUSSIAN?
Hence the conclusion - RUSSIA HAS NEVER CONSIDERED UKRAINE
YOUR PART AND RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS!
If I want it, I will give it to anyone I want, but if I feel like it, I will buy it off
(good bold piece).
And I'll take the psycho back. So what?
Well then there is no need to argue that what happened
Ukraine itself and ONLY Ukraine are to blame.
Popular wisdom - both about Ukraine and about Russia:
"Bad and ne to repent" (C)
"Both pockmarked" (C)

[bk0010]

Quote: Kushka

Lenin managed to give Ukraine to the Germans twice - the Treaty of Brest

Once again: in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, Lenin could not give up Ukraine, it was a separate state at that moment.

Quote: Kushka

throws out
Ukraine is like a white flag - NATE, TAKE it!

Ukraine is regularly taken away from us; after we have recovered, we are taking it back no less regularly. This is the fate of all border areas. Your claims would make sense if Ukraine was in the center of Russia.

[Kushka]

Appreciated your highly tolerant
attitude towards the rulers of Russia.
You do not quite understand, I have no complaints,
I'm just looking for answers to questions, although maybe
I look at events "from the wrong side"
Example: there is a sign -Disk, and something important
defines. One man sees him straight
for him it is a circle, another a little on the side - for
it is an oval. And the third looks completely from the side
and sees just a line. Just don't say that
this is a foe, and is looking for how to spoil everything. By
he also does the right thing for me - what if this
the disk has already shown the letter "sic", a little more
and an important function of this sign bye-bye, correct
it's time to be sure, and you are "a foe", "a sketch" ..
In fact: I have an answer if you
so you avoid it. Russia is so arranged that it is very
often, excuse me, myself into a kind of "entrance yard"
turned (sorry again).
Then Batu came and Kiev burned, then the Poles, when
they wanted Kiev, they took Smolensk. Then Napoleon
Moscow burned (forced to burn) ..... then .....
Well tell me - how could some Czechs, having gone already with
Galicia GO THROUGH ALL RUSSIA
right up to Vladivostok and at the same time pushing the KAZNA?
What is this - a passage yard? (sorry, good
through the courtyard and for less they can fill their face well).
Today some Hungarians, Italians near Voronezh
arrange "the grave of an unknown fascist" How's that?
So with such a tradition, so to speak, the relationship of OWN
land, all sorts of Ukraine, Latvia, etc. - for Russia this is
about NOTHING at all
Just think, NATO is building a naval base in Mariupol, or an airplane
NATO lost a missile in a vegetable garden near St. Petersburg.
Yes, we have Czechs with a wagon of state gold right up to Vladivostok
doped (tearing apart a bunch of defenseless people beyond the Urals),
got on the steamer and didn't even wave a goodbye hand
, and nothing.

[bk0010]

Quote: Kushka

Russia is so arranged that it is very
often, excuse me, myself into a kind of "entrance yard"
turned (sorry again).
Then Batu came and Kiev burned, then the Poles, when
they wanted Kiev, they took Smolensk. Then Napoleon
Moscow burned (forced to burn) ..... then .....

They forgot the Tatar raids, there were many disasters from the Crimean Khanate. We, in comparison with Europe, were even more or less quiet after Batu, since there were fewer "civilized" neighbors and were far from the centers of "enlightenment". In 1097, the princes at the Lyubic congress destroyed Kievan Rus and such a massacre-strife began that Batu was resting. Batu took Kiev, but the trick is that Andrei Bogolyubsky in 1169 destroyed Kiev so much that he fell into complete insignificance and did not recover before the yoke began.

Quote: Kushka

Well tell me - how could some Czechs, having gone already with
Galicia GO THROUGH ALL RUSSIA
right up to Vladivostok and at the same time pushing the KAZNA?
What is this - a passage yard?

Are you laughing? These were prisoners, they were taken to Siberia. Then the country was destroyed (their country, by the way, too) and they began to get out of Siberia to their home. Since they got out through the ruins of the state, they turned out to be the most organized force in those places and turned around as best they could.

[Kushka]

I want to thank you for the discussion and
for how you patiently "fought" with me
... I dropped out of school in the 9th at 16 and beyond the thief
I don't really know anything, and I'm a techie
hair roots. Hence the "quality" of my questions.
And I liked your answers, intelligibly and
reasonedly.
Happy New Year to you!

[bk0010]

Thank you! And you with the coming!

[bk0010]

The answer to all 3 of your questions: not given away, but taken away.

[silverura]

"Hurricanes" will be enough.
Oin volley and they scatter through the burrows

To knock on the keyboard from the sofa, do not drag bags - especially without mistakes.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: silverura

To knock on the keyboard from the sofa, do not drag bags - especially without mistakes.

Yes, I'm looking and you're not in the trenches.
And pensioners never sat in the trenches until their homeland was attacked

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Yes, I'm looking and you're not in the trenches.

He's probably smarter, they sit behind the trenches, but not in the trenches.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: O-2-2

Does your sofa fly? You would have a tongue but in another place ... Warriors!

So a new baby 404 has appeared on the site. Are you going to war tomorrow, son?

[2-2-XNUMX]

Happy New Years, Balabolochka! )

[tihonmarine]

Quote: O-2-2

Happy New Years, Balabolochka! )

Excuse me, is it New Year's Eve?

[hydrox]

And what, does it happen that NG retreats ??

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hydrox

And what, does it happen that NG retreats ??

Yes, sometimes. But only with 404 country.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Are you going to war tomorrow, son?

Virtual
Minus on VO

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Virtual
Minus on VO

It was not easy to bring him in. Brace yourself, garry lad, this is not 404.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: O-2-2

You would have a tongue but in another place ... Warriors!

Yes, lucky for you and your banderlog that I am a pensioner by age
I would gnaw you with my teeth

[2-2-XNUMX]

We watched the cartoon about Masyana! And I, in Soviet times, OOOOO, and I UUUUU. Retired by new age? At the age of a, they have not acquired a mind. Not good, Shurik, not good!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: O-2-2

At the age of a, they have not acquired a mind.

OH, smart on the site climbed
How many primers smoked "academician" ?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: O-2-2

We watched the cartoon about Masyana!

Russians don't watch Folkische Beobachter. You really see your own way. The cartoon is enough for me that I have lived in Kiev for three days. This is a cartoon!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: O-2-2

At the age of a, they have not acquired a mind. Not good, Shurik, not good!

Young, but he didn't buy brains, Myykola is not good!

[novel66]

yes you would go! too, peacemaker ...

[113262a]

Count it up, we thought so too at 14!))) The zampolites sang - SHA, KAAAAK the North wind will blow, but how it will be bombed! Nooo, Banderlog will be afraid to shoot in the cities! DON'T BE AFRAID! And DUNULO decently only at the end of July-August. It sucks that winter, without light and glass in the windows, many do not winter!

[novel66]

brother we are for you, but who makes decisions ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

Normal people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year! And these "shitheads" apparently wanted to fight again ..

According to Ukrainian officials, they don't want the New Year
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba said in an interview with TSN that the topic of Crimea should be a "hellish topic" for Russia, not sacred.
"And we will make it this way. We have already done a lot for this," he said.
Kuleba also expressed his opinion that the day will come when the Ukrainian flag will be raised in Simferopol.December 30 - RIA Novosti.
It looks like our chestnut from the 1st Guards Cave Squadron was carried.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

Kuleba also expressed his opinion that the day will come when the Ukrainian flag will be raised in Simferopol.

Let him hang his flag on the balcony and rejoice. Or maybe he jump around and yell down - SUGS, SUGS. And in Simferopol it is not even a wet mriya, but a dry one!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Let him hang his flag on the balcony and rejoice.

It sags longer in the toilet than on the balcony.

[ioan-e]

Quote: hydroy

Does this mean that Ukraine is preparing to make a maneuver and reach Donbass in 30 minutes?

Ukrainian understatement is getting closer and closer to suicide! The question will not be attacked or not, the question is when will he attack? Still very interesting how long it will last after that? Not just the same VVP said that an attack on Donbass would cost Ukraine its statehood. It is a pity for the people, not for the National Battalions, but for the mobilized, of whom they will make cannon fodder, as well as for the defenders of Donbass and the civilians. And of course it will be very pity for our boys, who will fall when forcing Banderlog to peace! New Year, all with a holiday and without wars in the coming!

[2-2-XNUMX]

How many times have your "under-state" disintegrated? Will he attack? Who to whom? Do you have a little brain? And understanding how many people will be killed in case of any active actions from any side? And let the tanks move along, it’s not to sit and wait for something incomprehensible. Occupational therapy.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: O-2-2

And understanding how many people will be killed in case of any active actions from any side

So you went to war in Donbass
You bombed peaceful cities with aviation
And now they started talking about the victims?
Something the militia has all the shadows in place and only you warm up there

[2-2-XNUMX]

Agitation campaigns started again. Do you want my opinion - in a personal. At the moment, full PPC. We do not need them, they do not need us. She is such a memory.
You should have been in the army by age. There is no understanding that a soldier cannot sit? Bad things go to your head and heavy things go into your hands. And any soldier.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: O-2-2

Do you want my opinion - in a personal.

I won’t even read

You should have been in the army by age.

This is what kind of army those who are over 60 serve?

There is no understanding that a soldier cannot sit?

Home. All in all, the Minsk agreements signed by you

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

There is no understanding that a soldier cannot sit?

Home. All in all, the Minsk agreements signed by you

Interestingly, and since some time bandits, soldiers began to be called.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: O-2-2

There is no understanding that a soldier cannot sit? Bad things go into your head and heavy things go into your hands. And any soldier.

Sorry, but your disease is already beyond treatment. And they did not have time to live humanly.

[ioan-e]

Quote: O-2-2

How many times have your "under-state" disintegrated? Will he attack? Who to whom? Do you have a little brain? And understanding how many people will be killed in case of any active actions from any side? And let the tanks move along, it’s not to sit and wait for something incomprehensible. Occupational therapy.

- and unmotivated wear and tear of the material part.
Well, about the brain, it’s probably he’s tearing your cranium from the inside, mine is not much different from the average person. Is Ukraine on your way to success? And there is no need to evaluate life by serendipitous templates, within the framework of the historical process, the last 6 years are just a moment, during which a completely viable state has slipped to the edge of the abyss! I am generally silent about the peacefulness of Ukraine, the same militias with the support of the RF Armed Forces deployed anti-terrorist operation on the territory of the Lviv region. It is elementary about losses, when a large mass of troops equipped with heavy weapons is used, the count goes to thousands with less intense hostilities. And your unmotivated aggression only says that my post has got you in a sore spot that is on fire.

[2-2-XNUMX]

Water, water, water everywhere. And where do you come from politicians?
Where did you personally see the aggression in me ?! What sore spot that burns ?!
I said that there would be no aggravation. But you are fighting hamsters! Forward! You smile.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: O-2-2

How many times have your "under-state" disintegrated?

Well, to be precise, Crimea has left you forever (roll your lip with the Guardian machine "), Donetsk and Lugansk, Gagauzia, and the Carpathian region is preparing to run away to its own, and Chernivtsi" skis pricked up "to Romania. So your Error 404, Shut down.

[Guru]

Not just the same VVP said that an attack on Donbass would cost Ukraine its statehood.

It seems that VVP was not talking about Donbass, but about Crimea. But if Dill is trampled on, then Russia will not sit out. The batch will be tough.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Guru

But if Dill is trampled on, then Russia will not sit out. The batch will be tough.

Who has enough rounds for how many cartridges.

[Kronos]

Putin said a lot of things.

[zenion]

Donbass needs to stock up on more fuel. Ukraine wants to give them a hundred tanks in order to undermine the ability to use this hundred tanks. And if there is still ammunition above the roof, where to store it. They will undermine the economy of Donbass with this additional weapon.

[smart ass]

They'll need Guderian for that.

[hydro]

According to the Ukrainian military, this was done in order "not to be caught off guard by a sudden attack by the forces of the People's Militia of the republics." Can the LDNR really attack now and wants it?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: hydroy

Can the LDNR really attack now and wants it?

There are provocations for this

[Buffet]

And then there will be an old song "they fired at us and then they themselves, and we have nothing to do with it." Do you want to shell cities and move forward under the guise of New Year's fireworks? Fascists in one word.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SHVEDsky_stol

Fascists in one word.

This is no longer being treated.

[Lipchanin]

so as "not to be caught unawares by the sudden attack of the forces of the People's Militia of the republics."

No longer "separatists" and not "terrorists"
Progress however.
Apparently, the militias corrected their brains well

[cniza]

And exactly what is it with them, or is the author so softened?

[Lipchanin]

Most likely the second

[novel66]

Serge

Apparently, the militias corrected their brains well

[Lipchanin]

Well, that means they need to be deprived of the place with what they eat

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cniza

And exactly what is it with them, or is the author so softened?

I also noticed, not the first time lately.

[Dimide]

Don't flatter yourself, Strana.ua, the mouthpiece of the OPSZ (Medvedchuk, Firtash, Boyko, Rabinovich), the so-called opposition

[tralflot1832]

Again, ours will have to drive tanks and armored vehicles northeast of Rostov-on-Don. It may be enough to start equipment in parks in Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk regions. I think that will be enough.

[Thrifty]

I remember Zelensky's lie that he would not allow war! He and his owners will not allow peace in Donbass! !!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Thrifty

I remember Zelensky's lie that he would not allow war!

Zelensky, not that the Outskirts are not the president, he is not master of his word.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Zelensky, not that the Outskirts are not the president, he is not master of his word.

Latest news

Russian President Vladimir Putin sent New Year greetings to several dozen world leaders. In them, he noted the importance of cooperation with Russia.

In particular, Putin sent messages to the leaders of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Uzbekistan, South Ossetia. Congratulations were also sent to the leaders of Argentina, Brazil and others. US President-elect Joe Biden, incumbent American leader Donald Trump, Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain and Prime Minister Boris Johnson were added to the list of addressees.

However, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was not on the list.

That's it!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Russian President Vladimir Putin sent New Year greetings to several dozen world leaders. In them, he noted the importance of cooperation with Russia ....... President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky was not on the list.


That's it!

И so henceforth, only this way, and nothing else !

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

And that is the only way, and nothing else!

It should be so.
And in continuation

Earlier, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov commented on the statement of Zelensky, who, during his visit to Poland, declared that the USSR and Nazi Germany were equally responsible for the Second World War. According to him, all "this severely cut ... not only Putin's heart", but also veterans in all countries of the former USSR, including Ukraine.

Source

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

And so in the future, only this way, and nothing else!

After all the dirty tricks, the clown is waiting for congratulations. Nuremberg can wait.

[Kronos]

What a tough answer! Zelensky must have burst into tears.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

And so in the future, only this way, and nothing else!

Locust scouting out

[cniza]

Each sector of the front has heavy equipment included in the rapid response teams. This is done in case the enemy suddenly starts hostilities.

Of course, they will organize a provocation and start a massacre ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, you can expect everything from Ukraine, you should not relax.

And we can and should support Donbass in any scenario.

Personally, I send a monthly part of the income to the requisites of A. Zhuchkovsky, the requisites are on Vkontakte in the "Summaries of the Novorossiya militia" group. Now aid goes to the wounded, for treatment and the purchase of medicines, reports are published regularly.

Join us, our people are there and they need our support.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Personally, I send a monthly part of the income to the requisites of A. Zhuchkovsky, the requisites are on Vkontakte in the "Summaries of the Novorossiya militia" group. Now aid goes to the wounded, for treatment and the purchase of medicines, reports are published regularly.

Actually, all that remains is to thank people for their care, and to confirm that the help goes really to the wounded, to their rehabilitation. I went through it myself in 2018 ...
And I will add that help will not be excessive, because if it starts, but it starts in any way, because dill does not take the mind, then a lot of medicines will be needed ...

[2-2-XNUMX]

Very normal. The power of the Russian Federation is very supportive of the militias who have lost their health, and takes it for the soul. At least there will be something from you. Again, very normal.

[Guru]

that the military equipment was moved closer to the territory not controlled by Kiev, so that, if necessary, it could be pulled up to the very front in half an hour. This new place of deployment of armored vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is called the "zone of rapid response."

What other rapid response zone? This is a direct violation of the Minsk agreements.

[ccsr]

Quote: Guru

This is a direct violation of the Minsk agreements.

So the advance of tanks from the places for them determined in the course of the Minsk agreements is a violation of the agreements. Why do we pretend to be Don Quixote, we need to quickly solve the problem so that the peaceful people of Donbass do not die and there are no refugees. And for this, all means are good, including the destruction of violators of agreements.

[dedusik]

Quote: O-2-2

Occupational therapy.

Occupational therapy is when you drag tanks on a string

[Tusv]

As BE and We must find "lost" tactical complexes, the Aerospace Forces at the borders of the alleged conflict. Well, in order to celebrate the New Year normally, without surprises from the Banderlog

[113262a]

I think it would be fair that the residents of Lugansk and Donetsk would be the first to know about the offensive from their own vents, but Sumy, Kharkov and Poltava. From the vents flying out of the bindings!

[2-2-XNUMX]

Do you have a real desire to spread hostilities to other territories? Or do you think the guys from the Russian army are immortal? Good wishes for the New Year. I don’t wish you that.

[Guru]

Do you have a real desire to spread hostilities to other territories? Or you do you think the guys from the Russian army are immortal?

And why did you decide that there are guys from the Russian Federation, and not from Donbass ??? And yet - it is not customary for us to Poke! People here are stupid and Poke is not beautiful!

[113262a]

And the war is going on only because the rest of Ukraine has not felt in its own skin what a WAR is! These are Colorado and separatists, they are not people, they can be killed even in winter, left homeless in the cold, as in 14-15. Estimate, after the arrival of 122 mm PF in the residential area, even between the houses, the glasses fly out in the entire courtyard in all high-rise buildings! If in the entrance, the house develops, burying the tenants. Example-Pervomaisk, house ON THE CIRCLE, go, feel! 80 peaceful people under the rubble! This is not ... wounded cyborgs on the DAP, these just lived!

[opuonmed]

but will not they start storming the DNI APU in the new year?

[Guru]

but will not they start storming the DNI APU in the new year?

About that and speech -Pavel. We are waiting for provocations.

[Diverter]

Still, mine is very interesting, but what is South Ossetia or Abkhazia or some kind of banana country, has not yet sold to the militias removed from the armament of the Russian Federation Points -U with preferably anti-tank cluster fillings? I am sure that the "drunken" militias "absolutely by accident" would have allowed the "involuntary launch" of several missiles. And they took out this TP, so that there were no surprises

[Lord of the Sith]

If velikoukry arrange a provocation, then they will face severe disappointment and death

[akims]

In fact, everything is simple, and every year the same thing is repeated: the ground is frozen, which gives freedom of maneuver on rough terrain. So the redeployment started. And in fact, the maneuvers, they are close in those parts to "combat". Accordingly, in the reports, you can ask for a premium. So somehow ...

[hydro]

every year 100 tanks are moved to the border) so that the people's militia does not "suddenly" attack?

[akims]

You do not understand. Here the question is in "penendzah". Now, in the truce, they just don't get paid. You have to be perverted ...

[KreAtiF]

As if the OUN members on the night of January 1st did not start ...

[Kerensky]

What kind of tanks in 30 minutes ?! There are now enough minefields for hundreds of tanks - all will remain there.
When all this is over, the sappers will work there for 10 years.

[ccsr]

Quote: Kerensky

What kind of tanks in 30 minutes ?! There are now enough minefields for hundreds of tanks - all will remain there.

Well if so. I just can't believe that the Ukrainian military is not trained to make passes in minefields using the same "Serpent-Gorynych" or manually.

[tolmachiev51]

- “Last week the OSCE mission missed more than 100 units of the Ukrainian military” - that's what you think !!! "Buk" was "tracked" at all intersections and roads, and there are 120 units. heavy equipment - we do not see !!!