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Greek press: Turkey wants to amend the 1923 Lausanne treaty on the Turkish-Greek maritime borders

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Turkey wants to change the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. At least that part of it, which speaks of the Turkish-Greek maritime borders.


This was reported by the Greek newspaper Katimerini.

The Greek press reports that on Mondays, Turkish Energy Minister Fatih Donmez raised the issue of the need to revise the provisions of the Lausanne Treaty, concluded in 1923 between Turkey on the one hand and Britain, France, Greece, Romania, Italy, Japan and Yugoslavia on the other. Then, according to the agreement in Lausanne, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist and the Turkish Republic was born. The modern borders of this state, including the sea border with Greece, remain unchanged to this day.

Donmez believes that the treaty, which secured the results of the First World War, requires discussion and revision a hundred years later. In an interview with Turkish TV channel Kanal 7, he accused Greece of escalating tensions in the Eastern Mediterranean.

If you see what Greece is supporting, it is like keeping us trapped on our shores.

- the minister said.

In Turkey, many consider the provision enshrined in the Lausanne Treaty controversial, according to which the islands and rocks in the Aegean Sea, located off the coast of Anatolia, were transferred to Greece. Ex-Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu wrote in one of his books that these islands are a natural continuation of the Turkish land mass, therefore, should belong to Ankara. Without them, Turkey is allegedly trapped in its shores.


Recently, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that he would defend the sovereign rights of his country from cyberspace and outer space to the "Blue Motherland", as the Turks call the part of the Mediterranean Sea, which, in their opinion, should be influenced by Ankara.
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https://twitter.com/fatih_donmez, https://ru.wikipedia.org/Bassem
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 30 December 2020 15: 12
    +7
    Stepping too wide, Erdogan will definitely tear his pants.
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 December 2020 15: 49
      +6
      Quote: carstorm 11
      will definitely tear his pants.

      Greeks?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 30 December 2020 15: 56
        +1
        His) and maybe not only them, but what is under them) there are too many different directions where he simultaneously tries to stomp.
        1. svp67
          svp67 30 December 2020 15: 56
          +4
          Quote: carstorm 11
          too many different directions where he is simultaneously trying to stomp.

          He takes advantage of the moment ... There is a possibility - there is movement. I don’t understand why we are helping him in this. The situation begins to resemble 1939
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 30 December 2020 16: 01
            +1
            Well, it's clearly easier to communicate with him than with amers. Something can be negotiated. And the guys from the hail on the hill have long been moved by the cuckoo.
            1. svp67
              svp67 30 December 2020 16: 02
              +1
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Well, it's clearly easier to communicate with him than with amers.

              Stalin apparently had the same arguments ...
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 30 December 2020 16: 11
                +1
                I think no. It was easier with the enemies then. Everything is so much confused now
                1. svp67
                  svp67 30 December 2020 16: 15
                  +4
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  It was easier with the enemies then.

                  Oops ... enemies are always difficult, especially when they swear friendship
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 30 December 2020 16: 48
                    +2
                    I agree with you, the situation is very similar to 1939 and Erdogan is being raised against us, and we are helping him ...
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 30 December 2020 17: 10
                      +1
                      and the Greeks - so, for a snack! Vitya hi
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 30 December 2020 17: 52
                        +2
                        Yeah, for a warm-up ... Greetings! hi
              2. kenig1
                kenig1 30 December 2020 17: 25
                +5
                By incorporating into the USSR and pushing the borders to the west by annexing western Belarus and Ukraine, did Stalin do something wrong?
                1. DrEng527
                  DrEng527 30 December 2020 18: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: kenig1
                  Did Stalin do something wrong?

                  believed excessively Hitler ... request And the Red Army in 1939 was much stronger than the Wehrmacht ...
                  1. Narak-zempo
                    Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 09: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: DrEng527
                    And the Red Army in 1939 was much stronger than the Wehrmacht ...

                    Which is remarkably demonstrated in the Winter War ...
                    1. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 31 December 2020 12: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Narak-zempo
                      Which is remarkably demonstrated in the Winter War ...

                      the Wehrmacht in the winter of 41g is also not perfect, but the Red Army broke through the defense in 40m
                      1. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 12: 31
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        the Wehrmacht in the winter of 41g is also not perfect, but the Red Army broke through the defense in 40m

                        Yes, it simply could not but break through with such and such material superiority. But there was complete clarity that with a comparable in technical level, but a stronger organizational opponent, she was not able to successfully fight. As shown in the summer-autumn of 41.
                        This is despite the fact that they managed to draw some conclusions and more or less successfully implement them. In 39 it was worse.
                        Listen to lectures by Isaev and Timin.
                      2. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 31 December 2020 12: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        In 39 it was worse.

                        ask the japanese bully you have a delusion - the Wehrmacht 41g and 39 are completely different armies hi
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        Listen to lectures by Isaev and Timin.

                        conjurers
                      3. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 12: 59
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        ask the japanese

                        Who staged such bloodletting of our aviation on Khalkhin Gol that they had to urgently send a "fire brigade" of aces - veterans of Spain?
                        Yes, there was someone who and how to achieve superiority in a local war.
                        But for the front from the Baltic to the Black Sea, there were no such "fire brigades".
                      4. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 31 December 2020 13: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        Who staged on Khalkhin Gol

                        and you can remember the encirclement and destruction of the Japanese army .... or does it not fit into the training manual? bully
                      5. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 13: 06
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        and you can remember the encirclement and destruction of the Japanese army .... or does it not fit into the training manual?

                        Can.
                        But then the question is - where is the Japanese army in terms of technology and tactics comparable to the Wehrmacht?
                        But I have no training manuals, I'm not at work now laughing
                      6. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 31 December 2020 13: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        But then the question is - where is the Japanese army in terms of technology and tactics comparable to the Wehrmacht?

                        the problem is that in 39g the Japanese fought for 2 years, and the Wehrmacht did not fight for 20 years request and you forget it! Let me remind you that in 39g, the Red Army TBR completed 700 km of a successful march through Mongolia without roads, and the Wehrmacht TD at 38 lost 50% of the equipment on the roads of Austria - is that so clear? hi
                      7. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 15: 28
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        the problem is that in 39g the Japanese fought for 2 years, and the Wehrmacht did not fight for 20 years

                        The Japanese fought in China, where they were not opposed by a modern mechanized army. Accordingly, they could not accumulate adequate experience.
                        In terms of military theory, they largely remained at the level of WWI.
                        And the Germans in 20 years created this very theory, and purposefully prepared to fight on it.
                        Both we and the Germans were preparing for war at the limit of economic possibilities.
                        It does not happen that the situation has changed so radically in 2 years.
                      8. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 31 December 2020 17: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        It does not happen that the situation has changed so radically in 2 years.

                        compare the Red Army 41 and 43 years ... request
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        and purposefully prepared to fight on it.

                        I gave you an example of the marches of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht ... you kept silent hi
                      9. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 17: 52
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        It does not happen that the situation has changed so radically in 2 years.

                        compare the Red Army 41 and 43 years ...

                        I wanted to finish it, but I forgot - in 2 years without disasters.
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        I gave you an example of the marches of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht ... you kept silent

                        I do not know the material on this specific issue. To what extent did the tank brigades marching to Khalkhin Gol reflect the general state of the Red Army?
                      10. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 2 January 2021 13: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        To what extent did the tank brigades marching to Khalkhin Gol reflect the general state of the Red Army?

                        do you think the most elite tank brigades of the Red Army served in the wilderness of the Far East? wink
                      11. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 2 January 2021 14: 38
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        do you think the most elite tank brigades of the Red Army served in the wilderness of the Far East?

                        Well, for example, they could be less tugged by all sorts of reorganizations, in contrast to the western districts, due to which the divisions turned out to be more coordinated, the tankers knew the materiel better, etc. I say that I do not own the material.
                      12. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 2 January 2021 15: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        I say that I do not own the material.

                        But we are deeply convinced that the Red Army was weaker than the Wehrmacht ... the victim of Agitprop ... hi
                      13. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo 2 January 2021 16: 11
                        0
                        Quote: DrEng527
                        But we are deeply convinced that the Red Army was weaker than the Wehrmacht ... the victim of Agitprop ...

                        Well, explain to me how it turned out that the army, which was stronger in the 39th than the Wehrmacht, after 2 years of feverish efforts to strengthen it, without waging a full-scale war, suddenly turned out to be catastrophically weaker in 1941, and with a nominal numerical superiority it was able to stop the Germans just outside Moscow?
                        Here you can't even blame the repression, the commanding staff in the 41st was basically the same. And cadres, as you know, decide everything.
                      14. DrEng527
                        DrEng527 2 January 2021 16: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        explain to me how it turned out

                        This is a tricky question, but if it's very simplistic, here are the main reasons:
                        1) in 39-41, the Germans strengthened faster in all respects, from technology to combat training and structure, the reason is simple - the Germans were better educated, Germany was more technically developed and there was no such repression against all elites - scientific, military, economic, etc. ., as in the USSR.
                        2) in 39-41 there were constant shaking up of the army by reforming, and at the same time, this led to the loss of the combat capability of the formations.
                        3) the criminal mistakes of the leadership of the USSR in strategy led to a situation when a united Europe was against us, etc. etc.
                        Quote: Narak-zempo
                        And cadres, as you know, decide everything.

                        Namely, we look at who is at the head of the USSR and the Red Army - semi-literate (in general and professional terms) and low-culture people request , their main principle of leadership is repression request
            2. strannik1985
              strannik1985 31 December 2020 18: 41
              +1
              I gave you an example of the marches of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht ...

              A small nuance - in 1937 a tank division was marching through Austria, it fought in 1939 - 1940 - ..., in 1939 tank brigades marched, and tank and motorized divisions fought in 1941, another organization that the Red Army simply did not manage to bring to mind (if the brigades were formed from 1932, then the divisions from June 1940, the full cycle of combat coordination - a year, until September 1941).
            3. DrEng527
              DrEng527 2 January 2021 13: 06
              -1
              Quote: strannik1985
              fought in 1941 tank and motorized divisions, another organization that the Red Army simply did not have time to bring to mind

              claims against G.K Zhukov, who on the eve of the war started the formation of the 21MK and thus destroyed the tank troops of the Red Army request and so I absolutely agree with you, but this also confirms my thesis
              Quote: DrEng527
              The Red Army was in 1939 much stronger than the Wehrmacht ...
              hi
            4. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 2 January 2021 14: 41
              0
              Quote: DrEng527
              claims against G.K Zhukov, who on the eve of the war started the formation of the 21MK and thus destroyed the tank troops of the Red Army

              Claims to the top political leadership, which misjudged Germany's readiness for war against the USSR and planned military construction on the assumption that there was still a year or two left.
              And the transition from a brigade structure to a divisional and corps structure was necessary, and everyone understood this - fortunately, a campaign in France was unfolding before our eyes.
            5. DrEng527
              DrEng527 2 January 2021 16: 02
              -1
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              Complaints to the highest political leadership

              those. to anyone? laughing
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              and planned military construction based on the fact that there is still a year or two in reserve.

              and on what basis did you plan? request that Hitler would sit and wait for the Red Army to rearm? hi Or, as he admitted in the GKZh memoir, he (the head of the General Staff of the Red Army) did not know the capabilities of the USSR military industry? recourse
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              And the transition from a brigade structure to a divisional and corps structure was necessary

              Let me remind you that they won the war with brigades ... request and there are only 6 tank armies ...
          2. strannik1985
            strannik1985 2 January 2021 16: 44
            0
            claims against G.K. Zhukov

            Let's imagine for a second that the 21-n mechanized corps is not formed, we have 9 MK in two waves (8 + 1), they still do not have time to go through the full fusion cycle (it is clear that not from 0, the controls will have time to go through the KShU / KShT , subunits coordinating up to a battalion inclusive), the standard means of thrust of the GAP divisions on the march lag behind the tanks, i.e. in an oncoming battle there will be no artillery support for tankers, new KV and partly T-34 on the march lag behind, fail due to minor breakdown , an armor-piercing 45-mm projectile normally penetrates a 40-mm hardness of 2600 from a distance of 150 meters, the industry successfully disrupted the plan for 76-mm armor-piercing projectiles.
          3. DrEng527
            DrEng527 2 January 2021 16: 57
            0
            Quote: strannik1985
            they still do not have time to go through the full cycle of fusion (

            of course, but other brigades remain ... strange, it was banal to introduce a pair of motorized infantry battalions into the TBR, which significantly strengthened them, but alas, they did not improve, but destroyed everything ...
            Quote: strannik1985
            A 45-mm projectile normally penetrates a 40-mm hardness of 2600 from a distance of 150 meters,

            this did not interfere with the Germans, they fought the T-34 and KV with competent tactics, like ours after 43g. with tigers etc ...
  • KreAtiF
    KreAtiF 31 December 2020 01: 00
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Well, it's clearly easier to communicate with him than with amers.

    Stalin apparently had the same arguments ...

    Stalin had arguments that they had already divided Czechoslovakia and it was necessary to move their borders away.
  • Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 30 December 2020 16: 10
    +3
    Perhaps the bet on the fact that Turkey will sooner or later discredit itself and shake the foundations of NATO (bite with Greece), get involved in a war in Africa (it doesn't look like this, but Libya should not be ruled out), anger Iran (Iran has enough of its own problems, but Turkey is careful with them). It is also difficult for Aliyev to understand how much he is influenced by Erdogan.
    Yes, and Syria - there is a difficult situation, where will the fortune of the war turn?

    And do we help a lot?
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 December 2020 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: Flashpoint
      And do we help a lot?

      It is enough that they saved Erdogan's life during the putsch ... Well, we help Turkey financially. We are building a nuclear power plant at our own expense ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 30 December 2020 16: 16
        -2
        We are building the station for ourselves and at our own expense. The owner is not Turks
        1. Flashpoint
          Flashpoint 30 December 2020 16: 28
          +1
          As I understand it, Turkey has 49%. The rest is Russia. But the contractors are mostly Turkish, and the money is from Russia. There is a very interesting contractual agreement, it is difficult to understand who got a better job :)
        2. svp67
          svp67 30 December 2020 16: 38
          -1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          We are building the station for ourselves and at our own expense.

          No, not for myself, but for them ...
          1. DrEng527
            DrEng527 30 December 2020 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            No, not for myself, but for them ..

            and when Germany builds in the 3rd world is how it is viewed? as the export of capital ...
        3. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 2 January 2021 14: 44
          0
          Quote: carstorm 11
          We are building the station for ourselves and at our own expense. The owner is not Turks

          And that's true. And if the Sultan wants to appropriate it, we will quickly pack the nuclear power plant in a suitcase and take it to our place, right?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 January 2021 15: 12
            0
            It doesn't work without giving back. Tomorrow the Kurds will receive new weapons. The world is chess
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 2 January 2021 15: 29
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              The world is chess

              In which the "grandmaster" often wins, capable of brushing off pieces and hitting a partner in the political process with a board over the head.
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Tomorrow Kurds will receive new weapons

              Rather, a statement of "deep concern".
              Quote: carstorm 11
              It doesn't work without recoil

              When there is political will.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 3 January 2021 04: 49
                -2
                Yes, as much will as you like !!!!! Syria, Crimea, Donbass. ... You are living in a different reality. Libya, CAR. Over the past 7 years where we have not fought tell me?
      2. Flashpoint
        Flashpoint 30 December 2020 16: 19
        +3
        Yes, these are the most notable milestones of cooperation, so to speak:
        1. Pipeline;
        2. Akkuyu NPP;
        3. Erdogan resisted;
        4. Tomatoes are back in business;
        5. C-400;
        6. Tourists.
        What I forgot - correct :)
        1. Gato
          Gato 30 December 2020 16: 23
          -1
          Karabakh was divided ...
          1. Flashpoint
            Flashpoint 30 December 2020 16: 26
            +8
            Here Armenia is to blame ... We did not prepare properly ... And questions to Pashinyan and his overseas friends.
      3. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 30 December 2020 22: 36
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Flashpoint
        And do we help a lot?

        It is enough that they saved Erdogan's life during the putsch ... Well, we help Turkey financially. We are building a nuclear power plant at our own expense ...

        Ertogan did a lot of useful things for both Russia and Greece. Of course he didn't want to, but it happened. hi
  • Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 30 December 2020 17: 00
    0
    Remembered mathematics ... (This is how the Enemy of my enemy was explained to us .. My friend)
  • hydroy
    hydroy 30 December 2020 16: 28
    0
    Greeks and Turks are comparable in terms of military forces!
    1. Anar
      Anar 30 December 2020 16: 44
      -5
      The Greeks are 10 times weaker both in weapons and numbers and money and authority.
      Greece several times almost went bankrupt, each time the European Union (specifically France) pulled out the next loans.
      1 on 1 Turkey and Greece - it will be Karabakh 2020 - 2.
      Europe does not like Turkey because it dictates its own terms, but 80% of the Muslim world will fight for Turkey. Also, Russia is likely to support Turkey too. Only France will be open for Greece. The rest will simply condemn, at most they will impose sanctions. I do not consider corpses in the form of Syria and Armenia at all.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 30 December 2020 16: 48
        +2
        Why not 90?) In the first world, all 100 were?) As for modern tanks on a level, the Greeks do not have junk in the form of the M60, the aviation is the same (F-16), and also a defensive barrier in the form of nature, it will not be Karabakh- 2, because - 1 aviation, offensive weapons will be used. So the losses of the Turks will be significant. And about 80% and Russia - Russia in people will mostly support Greece, and the position of France? Nuclear power! Powerful air force, do not rely on Bayraktars - they will shoot it down right away ..)
        1. Anar
          Anar 30 December 2020 17: 04
          -6
          France ... oh) She could not even answer Aliyev when he told them that you were pinned here, you are not expected here. Of course, she will intercede for Greece, but she cannot do anything concrete. Russia will intercede for Turkey, Putin spoke to Turkey and Erdogan more than once, it is much more pleasant to deal with than with others, because she says and does. And not as others say and then gives the back.
          And at the expense of the atom, firstly, not one country in the world dares to use it. It will immediately become a world outcast, and secondly, if Pakistan does so, it will instantly give its entire nuclear potential to Turkey without thinking.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 30 December 2020 18: 59
            +3
            Russia will intercede for Turkey,

            laughing
            Aaaga .... in a moment will directly intercede. I see how troops are sent to defend Constantinople from the Greeks ... bully

            Pakistan will instantly surrender its entire nuclear potential to Turkey without thinking.
            9

            Of course he will. Violent boNba is like a soccer ball - I'll take it and give it back. laughing

            but Turkey will fight for 80% of the Muslim world.


            I believe. The first will be Egypt, Saudis and Iran .... hahahahhh ..

            What oak did you collapse from? The Turks will simply be annoyed by everyone, jumping up and down with pleasure - not Christians or Müsülmann, but Buddhists and Martians will join the feast. laughing
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 31 December 2020 16: 15
              +3
              Eugene, Anar of course wrong. If the Greeks grapple with the Turks, we will watch together. Let them fight, the southern stream will still not go anywhere.
              Russia will stand up for Turkey belay belay belay From the category of fairy tales.
              First of all, NATO itself does not need this cut, and neither does we.
              Most likely they, as boxers, will be quickly separated by the referee in the corners of the ring. Then they will sit at the negotiating table. I don't think they will be allowed to really fight honestly.
            2. no one
              no one 1 January 2021 08: 18
              -2
              Bulgarians will help the Turks. No wonder they vetoed the sanctions that the Greeks asked for))
        2. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 30 December 2020 17: 15
          +1
          aviation is the same (F-16),


          Not exactly. The Turks have about 50 more or less modern F16 Block 52. The Greeks are now, with the help of the Americans, bring 70 F16 to Block 72. They buy 18 Raphales and want to buy 24 F35s from the Americans with instant delivery in 2021.
          Plus, they ask Washington for one Arlie Burke, with Aegis, (as a gift) and buy 4 new frigates. If you remember that the Americans presented them with about 70 working and fully combat-capable reconnaissance and shock turntables OH-58D Kiowa Warrior, then why not give one Arly ... it is clear that the main allies will be the Greeks and not the sick Turks.

          Considering that the Turkish F16s are mostly old and no one will update them, then in a year or two the Greeks will be able to take the Turks out of the sky, no problem.
  • the finish
    the finish 30 December 2020 17: 39
    +3
    Why only in the Greek part? Change the Armenian part with the return of Ararat! Better to arbitrate Woodrow Wilson !.
  • demo
    demo 30 December 2020 16: 03
    +2
    Tearing your pants is not scary.
    Now, if the hump of this camel breaks, which is most likely - probably, then it will be completely "seams".
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 30 December 2020 19: 40
    -1
    Dmitry You are Greek than all the stench of Russia called Greece has never been an ally of Russia The Russian Church has long been an independent education you want to Mount Athos, so go along the way
  • antivirus
    antivirus 30 December 2020 15: 12
    -7
    SOON WOULD BE A WAR FOR REVIEWING THE RESULTS OF THAT WORLD
    Tourist flows will be stopped, oil through the NCSP - and so on and so on, the oil refinery will sink into a puddle and will have to build its own refinery.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 December 2020 16: 18
      -1
      And what to do with it then?) And they are building a lot. They are building a huge plant in the Far East. In Tobolsk, something was built there not so long ago. They are even building in the Arctic)
  • parkello
    parkello 30 December 2020 15: 13
    +2
    as Elder Paisius said, when you hear about 6 miles (sea), this is the beginning of a great mess ... that's how it began ...
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 30 December 2020 16: 29
      +1
      Yes, it has begun, whether NATO will stop Turkey or allow Greece to be devoured, but honestly the Greeks are second only to the fleet ...
      1. parkello
        parkello 30 December 2020 20: 34
        +1
        it will not stop the Turks No. definitely not. the Greeks are slightly inferior to the Turks, in quantity. Turks can only occupy the islands. From land we will meet them with dignity. there is someone and what to fight. Let them not amuse themselves in vain, but the islands are not enough to capture, they still need to be held, but with this all the problems will begin. I traveled with Dikia to Adrianople (Enderli) where some of the Greek Turks also went to Turkey. the Turks raised the Greek flag at home. They talked about this and that, they do not want to go to Turkey for good. they live better with us. plus to everything we will be supported by the frog-eaters too (the French). They also have a lot of anger against the Turks. In general, if they want to start, we are not afraid of them. War is so war, what to do? can you help with weapons, and spare parts? Putin came to visit us on Mount Athos. He knows why we are better than the Turks, not from hearsay ... Skirts for the Bison will be needed, and we will buy the rest from a penny of spare parts (BMP1), but these two components will be needed ... , but now we are not at war, and we must take advantage of the situation.
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 30 December 2020 23: 14
          +1
          I'm afraid now Russia will not provide spare parts yet, openly for sure) closed xs) but what about help! I'm sure there will be thousands of volunteers from Russia if something happens!
          1. parkello
            parkello 31 December 2020 00: 28
            +2
            No one will dare to openly supply spare parts for such a confrontation with the Turks. only if quietly, put in Egypt, for example, and they will already give it to us. but it’s a pity for the volunteers, I wouldn’t want the Russian guys to die here, we will figure it out ourselves, thank you, of course, for your sympathy and willingness to help. All the will of the Almighty. and all the same we will stand, we will fight for our land, dying for it. I have already lived as a man. I still have to die as a man without getting my face dirty. And of course, thank you for your readiness. We will not forget ... just as we do not forget those who fought here from the remnants of the Cossack corps in the First World War. It will be a shame to look them in the eyes of their children and mothers, so ... we will hold out. yes we will die, but we will stand. and now I'm not talking about this blue youth, I speak for those who were born and raised in the USSR, there are almost a million of us here already, Russian-speaking. every regiment, every company has ours. and they are more afraid of us than the locals. But we have a lot of Albanians here who are always ready to play against us. There are a lot of them, yes, especially if you rummage around prisons. the whole prison in Larissa is complete. almost half a million are only imprisoned for theft. all prisons are overflowing with them. This knife will stick in our back and more than once. but now, anyhow, do not talk too much, I wish you all health and good luck. Live guys, long and rich, God help you. Many words from poverty, so one of our proverbs says. already wrote a lot.
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 10: 01
          -1
          Quote: parkello
          it will not stop the Turks No. definitely not. the Greeks are slightly inferior to the Turks, in quantity. Turks can only occupy the islands. From land we will meet them with dignity. there is someone and what to fight. Let them not amuse themselves in vain, but the islands are not enough to capture, they still need to be held, but with this all the problems will begin. I traveled with Dikia to Adrianople (Enderli) where some of the Greek Turks also went to Turkey. the Turks raised the Greek flag at home. They talked about this and that, they do not want to go to Turkey for good. they live better with us. plus to everything we will be supported by the frog-eaters too (the French). They also have a lot of anger against the Turks. In general, if they want to start, we are not afraid of them. War is so war, what to do? can you help with weapons, and spare parts? Putin came to visit us on Mount Athos. He knows why we are better than the Turks, not from hearsay ... Skirts for the Bison will be needed, and we will buy the rest from a penny of spare parts (BMP1), but these two components will be needed ... , but now we are not at war, and we must take advantage of the situation.

          The Greeks have degenerated spiritually, and no help from the striped will save them. And Athos will be Russian. With time. Maybe before that, it will become Turkish for a while.
        3. no one
          no one 1 January 2021 08: 21
          -1
          Yeah. You will also drink tsai in baku like Armenians
  • Operator
    Operator 30 December 2020 15: 19
    0
    It is high time to kick the ass of the Greeks for their support of the illegal decision of the Patriarch of Constantinople to split the Orthodox in Ukraine - by the hands of the Turks, obviously.

    Rhetorical question - will NATO merge the Greeks, and then the Bulgarians bully
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 30 December 2020 15: 43
      -4
      I mean, will it merge? Did we promise them something?
      1. Operator
        Operator 30 December 2020 18: 56
        +2
        To whom are they - Turks, Greeks, Bulgarians, NATO? laughing
    2. Kushka
      Kushka 30 December 2020 15: 53
      -1
      And how is the patriarch here? What's wrong with them
      shared? So the fox is also "wrong"
      shared and what is she to blame? That the cubs
      stupid and can't figure it out for themselves? For what
      the devil are they talking to her? From the "big" mind?
      For example, everyone eats bread, but there are admirers of white,
      but there is gray. So which patriarch is better - the one who
      build a store for some and a store for others?
      Or whoever builds one - with gray bread and sends
      far away - I said!
      ANOTHER'S SOLUTION IS ALWAYS ANOTHER'S DECISION!
      And wise people should be able to solve their problems themselves.
      and RESPONSIBLE for your own decisions.
      And not ..... the wise go to the FOX with a known result.
      So why shout that the fox is bad?
      1. Operator
        Operator 30 December 2020 18: 59
        -3
        I was talking about the Greeks, not about the soldier of the Turkish army - the Patriarch of Constantinople.
    3. Kushka
      Kushka 30 December 2020 19: 37
      0
      Received. By the way, it's a good idea to kick the Greeks!
      In 1654 Bohdan Khmelnitsky brought Ukraine to
      a saucer to Tsar Alexei, and he took it and gave it
      in six Poland.
      In 1914 - Lenin and Trotsky bungled the Brest Peace
      and gave Ukraine a GIFT to the Germans!
      (these themselves then fled-revolution at home)
      Muravyov went all the way to the Crimea, threw the whites into the sea, and
      in 1920 m (Riga Treaty), shamefully losing the Soviet-Polish
      war, Lenin and Petliura again give Ukraine to Poland.
      In 1939, Stalin with such difficulty (from 1939 to 1953) pulled out Ukraine
      from the hands of the nationalists, put a bunch of people so that Tsar Boris
      in 1991 (pouring into glasses in the Pushcha) he gave everything to NATO members again!
      Aren't you tired of conquering Ukraine and then giving away?
      If not, give me an idea. No Germans or Poles, enough of them.
      In Turkey until 1927 (USSR!), Compactly in three places, lived
      Zaporozhye Cossacks, Fought with the Greeks for the Turks.
      (returned to the USSR in 1927) ..
      Therefore, once again we conquer Ukraine and give it to Turkey.
      They have just a grater with Greece and coarsely. That's just
      Ukrainians will be useful to them. And what, we do not mind. At first
      times, or something.
      "Kemsk volost? Let them take it away!" (FROM)
  • cniza
    cniza 30 December 2020 15: 20
    +2
    Recently, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced that he would defend the sovereign rights of his country from cyberspace and outer space to the "Blue Motherland", as the Turks call the part of the Mediterranean Sea, which, in their opinion, should be influenced by Ankara.


    No, he will not calm down so easily, and if he is not tamed, he will unleash a big war ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 30 December 2020 15: 40
      +1
      Big badabum is not interesting to anyone! The gunsmiths are already selling, there are a lot of babosikov rowing ... and transnationals don't really need badabum !!! Moreover, such people have just climbed to the top of that hill, from where they can see far, they can reach far.
      There will be sluggish, small-town showdowns, nothing more.
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 December 2020 15: 53
        +3
        Quote: rocket757

        There will be sluggish, small-town showdowns, nothing more.


        Nobody needs a big war, but it always starts with a little thing ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 30 December 2020 16: 55
          +1
          It starts with a trifle, but there should be no small interest to inflate a trifle to a universal scale.
          1. cniza
            cniza 30 December 2020 16: 57
            +1
            Yes, but who can guarantee that a major player is not involved ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 30 December 2020 17: 02
              +1
              There they have, inside, there are not small ones ... with which everyone will have to reckon, if he roars, so, in all seriousness.
              Moreover, he is not small, he can put on everyone and everything ... if he wants.
              1. cniza
                cniza 30 December 2020 17: 52
                +1
                Maybe he certainly can, but can he ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 30 December 2020 19: 43
                  +1
                  "hegemon" can build his wards as he needs ... upper, ruling, exactly. With the economic bloc, it is much more difficult ... they can count the benefits and oppose when the losses are too much.
                  Not everything is clear, everything must be considered.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 30 December 2020 20: 52
                    +1
                    There is someone to count, let them work, but we need to look after ourselves ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 30 December 2020 22: 28
                      +1
                      There, ours is somewhat to the side and it is not worth approaching deeper / closer.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 30 December 2020 15: 22
    +8
    It would be necessary to hint to the Turks that they have shown gentleness with them, leaving them a piece in Europe. And they could have cut it altogether, depriving even the Sea of ​​Marmara, there were such plans.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 December 2020 15: 25
    0
    This can always be corrected ... and you get the results of the second war ...
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 30 December 2020 15: 29
    +3
    More and more people who want to reconsider the borders appear. It's not good :)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 December 2020 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      More and more people who want to reconsider the borders appear. It's not good

      A new redistribution of borders is .....
    2. Gato
      Gato 30 December 2020 15: 50
      +3
      It’s not good

      Why? One NATO member makes territorial claims to another NATO member. The beauty!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 December 2020 15: 37
    +2
    Well, well, to whom are the Greeks there to appeal for the truth, for support ???
    Who does not exist, others are far away and they DO NOT CARE !!!
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 December 2020 16: 50
      -2
      Again to Russia, there is no one else ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 December 2020 16: 58
        +2
        There's no point. There are internal disassembly, ours was not there.
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 December 2020 17: 13
          +1
          I would not be so categorical, of course, the two NATO countries, and if the US is busy with its own problems?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 December 2020 19: 35
            +1
            For them, the top ones, this is not a problem at all ... they will not persuade, please, nobody will. They will put a couple of three pelvis on the aisle, go around figs, business then. The top ones there will not bother about it ... they will give the go-ahead, and they will do their own disassembly.
            Can we have someone who thinks this is a PROBLEM ?! in general, it's in vain. Big Brother will match everyone when and how he wants ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 December 2020 20: 48
              +1
              Let the big one rest, and the rest will try to fix everything ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 December 2020 22: 18
                +1
                Big brother is really not up to it now. When he has dealt with his affairs, everything may already ... be over.
                And so, the sultan has stepped on a favorite corn of many, BUT, politics is such a thing that there is nothing that can not be turned in any, even the opposite direction, when the need arises.
                Those. it is not possible to guess, especially the BV business is dimmer than muddy, if you look there from a distance.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 December 2020 15: 38
    +1
    Donmez believes that the treaty that secured the results of the First World War, a hundred years later, requires discussion and revision.

    Only the EU gave up the slack, and did not support Greece, like the sultan, already right there, "Cancel the 1923 Lausanne Treaty."
  • parusnik
    parusnik 30 December 2020 15: 38
    +2
    Hmm, a heavy legacy went to Biden in the form of Erdogan ...
    1. Flashpoint
      Flashpoint 30 December 2020 16: 38
      +1
      I'm sure Biden will scoff at Trump's legacy at first. Perhaps he will be carried away so much that Erdogan and other distant distances will not reach for a long time :)
  • Guru
    Guru 30 December 2020 15: 38
    +1
    Turkey wants to change the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. At least that part of it, which speaks of the Turkish-Greek maritime borders.
    The Sultan's appetin is growing.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 30 December 2020 15: 45
    0
    What is being done ... Review of the results. Turkey is losing its shores. So it's not far from the unexpected.
  • askort154
    askort154 30 December 2020 15: 54
    0
    Lausanne Treaty, concluded in 1923 between Turkey on the one hand and Britain, France, Greece, Romania, Italy, Japan and Yugoslavia on the other.

    And what about Japan in the Mediterranean Sea? belay
    1. Gato
      Gato 30 December 2020 16: 11
      0
      As a member of the anti-German coalition and England's favorite ally. The Australians are out there too - and they landed on Gallipoli.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 December 2020 15: 55
    0
    Interestingly, maybe they will demand Bulgaria back, and at the same time the Crimea and the south of Ukraine? The lip-rolling machine is around the corner, let them use it.
    1. Gato
      Gato 30 December 2020 16: 15
      +3
      Will they demand Bulgaria back, and at the same time the Crimea and the south of Ukraine?

      There is little oil there. Is it Saudi Arabia, which in 1916 brazenly separated from the Ottoman Empire? fellow
      Moreover, seizing Mecca for the Turks is like taking Constantinople for us
  • Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 30 December 2020 15: 56
    -1
    Erdogan understands perfectly well that Europe, as if to put it mildly, now has no gender identity. Well, I don't have enough imagination to describe Greece, at least today. And for this it is not clear who will smash our nose, so to speak, Portner. But it's probably time!
  • Dude
    Dude 30 December 2020 16: 01
    +2
    I may be blowing water, but it seems to me that this is the first step towards revising the convention on the straits ...
    The Sultan is obsessed with the idea of ​​historical revenge.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 December 2020 16: 17
    -1
    There is nothing better when the enemies fight. Now it is our turn to watch this action; otherwise they slept and saw how we fight and did everything for this, let the big-eyed OSCE work for them. You give the border in the middle of the Aegean Sea.
  • Catholic
    Catholic 30 December 2020 16: 22
    +19
    Turkey wants to change the Lausanne Treaty

    You can want anything you want, up to "a goat on a wagon and a cart at a run." Despite certain "successes" of Turkey, they are not destined to become a new great power.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 30 December 2020 16: 26
    0
    "Greek Press: Turkey wants to amend the 1923 Lausanne Treaty on the Turkish-Greek maritime borders."
    No, the Turks will not pull it. The Yankees may close their eyes, but Europe will not. And this is already a conflict within NATO - or Turtsmya will fly out of it, or shut up.
    1. Guru
      Guru 30 December 2020 16: 30
      +2
      No, the Turks will not pull it. The Yankees may close their eyes, but Europe will not. And this is already a conflict within NATO - or Turtsmya will fly out of it, or shut up.
      And to bite off a piece (Cyprus) from a NATO country, pulled? Do you think the Turks are very afraid of leaving NATO?
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 30 December 2020 16: 34
        0
        I think the Turks now need a war to consolidate the people! It didn't work out in Karabakh, Russia got in, it doesn't work out in Syria, the Syrian army goes to its borders and Russia is running out, in Libya, Egypt is preparing to help the LNA. And also a crown that will not calm down, which means there will be less and less money ...
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 30 December 2020 18: 42
          0
          Quote: hydroy
          I think the Turks now need a war to consolidate the people!

          war is somehow ... but about consolidation
          According to a recent poll by MetroPoll Research, 25% of Turks cannot meet their basic needs ... Recently, Moody's Investor Service reported that, along with double-digit inflation, the country is facing a balance of payments crisis ... However, a recent poll showed that the rating of the presidential party equity and development has reached its lowest value in the last 19 years. If such a trend develops in the future, then Erdogan risks losing his post, experts say. A MetroPoll poll found that most of Erdogan's own supporters and 63% of respondents in general believe Turkey is heading in the wrong direction
          https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2020-12-29/New-York-Times-ekonomicheskie-nevzgodi

          turbulence during the crisis for many, but the resignation of the head of the central bank and then the minister of finance - "not everything is all right in the Danish kingdom" ... so that it does not happen "on external fronts", the whole situation will decide on the "internal" ...
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 30 December 2020 16: 45
        0
        Quote: Guru
        And to bite off a piece (Cyprus) from a NATO country, pulled? Do you think the Turks are very afraid of leaving NATO?

        The Republic of Cyprus is not part of Greece. Also nominally not a member of NATO.
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 30 December 2020 17: 29
        0
        Quote: Guru
        No, the Turks will not pull it. The Yankees may close their eyes, but Europe will not. And this is already a conflict within NATO - or Turtsmya will fly out of it, or shut up.
        And to bite off a piece (Cyprus) from a NATO country, pulled? Do you think the Turks are very afraid of leaving NATO?

        Exactly, I forgot about Cyprus! good Not worth my speculation laughing drinks But Europe has settled down as much as possible. They do not need violent Turkey for sure.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 16: 33
    -1
    laughing Hey, Erdogan, he started from the wrong edge, down with the Moscow treaty of 1921, let the "partners" in the Caucasus tear their pants.
    1. GKA72
      GKA72 30 December 2020 17: 06
      0
      this is unlikely, as the deadline is right, so the Turks with Russia become kind and fluffy. Now is this moment. Then they will start showing teeth.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 16: 34
    0
    Quote: Doliva63
    "Greek Press: Turkey wants to amend the 1923 Lausanne Treaty on the Turkish-Greek maritime borders."
    No, the Turks will not pull it. The Yankees may close their eyes, but Europe will not. And this is already a conflict within NATO - or Turtsmya will fly out of it, or shut up.

    laughing We saw how we settled with Cyprus.
  • Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 30 December 2020 16: 41
    +2
    Stosh, it remains to wish good luck to both sides of the conflict. bully
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 16: 42
    -3
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/uk-defence-secretary-hails-azerbaijaПеревод статьи из британской газеты.

    The military "thought tanks" creaked with their brains. Drones made from dendro-fecal materials are becoming fashionable.

    Well, the compassionate people from the "civil society" are, as always, against - "Let's freeze conflicts, and not resolve them completely in the course of hostilities." "The Americans need - let them be active." laughing
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 December 2020 16: 43
    +2
    “It will be not enough!” (C)
    Was it just a change to the Treaty of Lausanne of 1923? What is so weak?
    He could have demanded a revision of the Versailles Treaty, and the Sevres Peace Treaty (1920) approved by the League of Nations in 1922, and the decision of the conference in San Remo. Why waste time on trifles there? It is time to cancel the British mandate for Palestine (including Transjordan) and Mesopotamia, the French mandate for Syria (including Lebanon), etc.
    In a word, according to the Turks, the time has come to restore the Ottoman Empire within the borders of the reign of the sultans Selim the Terrible, Suleiman the Magnificent and Selim II. hi
    1. Guru
      Guru 30 December 2020 16: 53
      +2
      In a word, according to the Turks, the time has come to restore the Ottoman Empire within the borders of the reign of the sultans Selim the Terrible, Suleiman the Magnificent and Selim II.
      This is what we are talking about, but for now the Turks are throwing information from small bipods (Turkish Energy Minister Fatih Donmez raised the issue of the need to revise the provisions of the Lausanne Treaty, concluded in 1923), so that you can win back. But one thing is clear for sure, they are probing the ground, officially while abstaining.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 30 December 2020 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      British Mandate for Palestine

      as recently as October - "In this city, which we had to leave in tears during the First World War, you can still find traces of Ottoman resistance. So, Jerusalem is our city, a city from us."
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 30 December 2020 18: 15
        +2
        Quote: BrTurin
        Quote: A. Privalov
        British Mandate for Palestine

        as recently as October - "In this city, which we had to leave in tears during the First World War, you can still find traces of Ottoman resistance. So, Jerusalem is our city, a city from us."

        The Ottoman Empire existed for 600 years. During this time, she owned a lot and where. To list everything, so the page will not be enough. But...
        ... Sic transit gloria mundi
        hi
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 30 December 2020 18: 27
          0

          Quote: A. Privalov
          “It will be not enough!” (C)
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 30 December 2020 19: 02
            +1
            Exactly! hi
        2. Guru
          Guru 30 December 2020 19: 59
          0
          A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov) - Alexander is simpler (with translation)
          Sic transit gloria mundi is a Latin phrase meaning "Thus passes worldly glory."
          hi
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 31 December 2020 02: 58
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      according to the Turks, the time has come to restore the Ottoman Empire within the borders of the reign of the sultans Selim the Terrible, Suleiman the Magnificent and Selim II.

      And why exactly Ottoman, and not, say, Byzantine or Babylonian? Or Israel within the borders of Solomon's kingdom from the Nile to the Euphrates?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 31 December 2020 08: 37
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        And why exactly Ottoman, and not, say, Byzantine or Babylonian? Or Israel within the borders of Solomon's kingdom from the Nile to the Euphrates?

        If this is a rhetorical question, then, as you know, it does not require an answer.
        If it's real, then it should be asked not to me, but to the Turks. hi
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 30 December 2020 16: 48
    +3
    The little Fuhrer does not calm down
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 30 December 2020 16: 57
    0
    The Turks, IMHO, are trying to catch the moment - while everyone is rushing with the covidl by China and us, nobody really cares about it. He chops off as long as there is an opportunity and arms himself to fight back if someone gets bunches from him.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 17: 26
    0
    Quote: GKA72
    this is unlikely, as the deadline is right, so the Turks with Russia become kind and fluffy. Now is this moment. Then they will start showing teeth.

    Oh, given when was it? The glorious times of Suleiman have sunk into oblivion. Good, the Turks would remember the national and religious policies of the Ottoman Empire in its best times, but then they think they will lose their Turkish identity. For centuries, Russian armies have been defeating 3-5 times the Turkish armies, each time inflicting huge losses on them and capturing or destroying the leaders. Why Erdogan decided that this time could be different - it is not clear
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 December 2020 18: 04
    0
    Turks somehow begin to resemble Poles.  laughing
    1. Guru
      Guru 30 December 2020 20: 02
      -1
      Turks somehow begin to resemble Poles. laughing
      Well, the Poles only bark, and these bite, and so Yes, the noise as from the Poles. hi
  • Shahno
    Shahno 30 December 2020 18: 35
    0
    The main thing here is not to overdo it. And not move to the Iranian subgroup ...
    The opposite will be more difficult. While there is partly NATO support, partly a situation of uncertainty, flirting with Russia. But somehow, it is now. ..
  • APASUS
    APASUS 30 December 2020 19: 38
    +2
    It is clear that Erdogan will strike a delicate place and he does not need a fight with a serious adversary. But the Greeks will fight for their territory, not for the disputed one. Even if they have less resources, this conflict will put an end to the integrity of NATO. So nothing will happen.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 30 December 2020 20: 38
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Let them have fewer resources

      In addition to NATO, there is also the EU, and these resources are more, the same sanctions "The EU remains committed to protecting the interests of the union and member countries ... to adopt an additional blacklist on the basis of the decision of November 11, 2019 concerning restrictive measures due to the illegal activities of Turkey in the Mediterranean. "In addition to the EU, there are the Saudis who blocked Turkish ... their problems in the economy ....
      Quote: APASUS
      So there will be nothing