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I love our plans huge ... Articles on VO for 2021!

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Here is my workplace, where all my articles are created that are published on VO, as well as books ...


Very often we, authors, are asked about creative plans - in fact, planning very often justifies itself. So today, in order not to answer the questions about what will happen in the new year to everyone separately, I will try to answer all at once!

And I,
like the spring of humanity
born
in labor and in battle,
sing
my fatherland
my republic!
(V. Mayakovsky "Good!")

Plans for 2021. I never thought that I would have to write such an article, but I had to. The reason is that I have been cooperating with VO for a long time, I met many people and ... it has already become a kind of tradition to write according to their orders. But so that it would be interesting for others. And people always, for example, want to look beyond the horizon, to find out - what's there. The same applies to the creative plans of the authors. Actually, many of them write according to their mood. For example, this happens to me all the time. And this has its own charm - tired of writing about one thing, but you have a lot of topics - you write about something else, you rest in your soul and at the same time feel a certain uplift, and your "inner voice" also assent: "So, so, on the right path you go! " That is, "faithful" is the path of least resistance, and hence the least labor costs. After all, our body, but above all our brain, is a very big "bastard". Even at rest, our brain consumes up to 25% of the body's energy, this is such an energy-consuming substance! And when you write, the energy flows through you. So my wife, for example, does not have time to bring coffee to my table. It’s one thing when “it is easy”, and another when you have to “break and force” yourself. It is clear that more energy is spent on this, and the brain simply does not approve of you: “Why, they say, are you doing this to me! What if I don't have enough energy? "


An important source of information for the historian is the archive. Unfortunately, for a long time, very little attention has been paid to archival work in our country. For example, where archival documents were kept in Penza after the revolution ...

However, five years of being at VO gave me invaluable experience of how ... you can "shorten" your brain's appetites. For this you don't have to wait for the muse, you don't have to wait "until it dawns." And you need to type in more, arrange them all on the screen and just stupidly look at them. And your brain will choose from them what it is interested in right now.


And this is the archive building

But here you need a plan without fail. It is impossible to do without a plan, without gradually and painstakingly collected information. So I have some articles prepared for a year or more. And again, in the head, that is, in the plan, they are, but it is not possible to bring the idea to life. For various reasons, and most often not depending on you. But over time, there are already so many that they need to be systematized, in "planned housekeeping", which is why I would like now to talk about plans to write articles for HE in the next 2021.


Here in this inconspicuous building there is OPOPO GAPO - the former archive of the OK KPSS of the Penza region. Documents (photocopies and photocopies) from it today can be ordered without any problems even from Magadan!

So, to my great joy, I managed to get permission to use photographs from a number of sites, from the State Hermitage site to a number of US weapons sites. That is, in the new 2021, problems with photos weapons ALL OF US will not have it! Which personally makes me very happy, because it is better to see it once than read it 10 times. So both the "revolver series" and the "rifle" series will continue. "Russian Rifle Drama" will be finished on Berdan rifles, but with interesting additions.


Old magazines and newspapers

The topic of modern weapons and, above all, the AR-15 rifles, which today are not produced except perhaps only by the lazy, will also continue this year. And we will meet with "colored rifles" - red, blue, yellow, with and without inscriptions. I contacted a company from the USA, headed by an Italian man (!), And which makes copies of rare American weapons, covering them with carvings, gilding and silvering. The splendor is simply barbaric! But interesting! I write to them, they give me, but here's something important, namely "permission" to use their photos, they still do not give me. But as they will give - be sure to look at their gilded tweets for adults.


The storage rooms are equipped with a gas launch system. At the slightest fire, the hall is isolated, and carbon dioxide is pumped into it!

In the new year, a large "weapon theme" will be launched for a long time: "History firearms ". And so what will not be there. For one photo I had to contact the curator of the Swedish Royal Arsenal in Stockholm, but it was worth it!


Documents of parish office work: who was born and when, was baptized, got married and "moved the horse." Favorite reading of our archival grandmothers looking for their genealogies ...

Every ten years, files from the current archives are transferred to the regional one. That is why the researcher has no way to say what is happening and how it is happening now. He just has no documents. Can I ask for permission to work in the current archive, for example, the regional government? Yes, you can, but ... not easy. And working with him is also not easy for a number of reasons.

The topic of heraldry aroused great interest among VO readers, and it will be continued, no doubt. Throughout the year, articles will be published on the coats of arms in general, and on the coats of arms of individual states, army emblems and various other things.

The theme of chivalry will not be forgotten either. We will return to the exhibits of museums in Vienna, London, New York, Madrid, Venice and see what is left of such interesting "about armor". I promise there are so many left that there will be enough for a few more publications "with pictures".

But the actual museum theme will be continued. That is, what interesting museums there are that have interesting weapons. Over the past years, we have not visited all of them. In theory, we should have visited tank museums of the world: Bovington, Samyur, Munster, Queensland, Jakarta, Latrun and many other places. True, so much has already been written about them that it will not be easy to find your "niche". Although you can try, why not?


And there are ticks in them, ticks ... Even in spite of any coronavirus, it is simply impossible to work with this waste paper without a mask!

Naturally, the topic of tanks will be continued. Moreover, here we at VO had an interesting dispute regarding the ejector on the barrel of the T-55 tank gun. The reader insisted that he was not there, and I that he was. Then he, apparently, found out that he was - and not only on the T-55, but also on the barrel of the T-54A gun, and I didn't write about it - ah-ah. And it is also unclear what kind of tank we still have in Penza among the pines: T-55 or T-54A. The tank's plate reads T-55, but our people during the years of Soviet power have developed a persistent habit of not trusting the inscriptions. Although tanks and guns were exhibited here by our Penza Artillery Engineering Institute or PAII VA MTO, they should have known what they were exhibiting. They have documents for each tank and gun ... It's a pity that now everything is covered with snow, but sooner or later we will find out.

And, of course, there will also be various rare tanks, as well as illustrations (and very good!) From A. Sheps - he has already drawn them!

Unfortunately, quite rarely I come out with material on a topic that everyone likes - the topic of antiquity, ancient culture. But ... there's nothing you can do about it, it is very complex, although, at first glance, it seems to be simple. There will certainly be a continuation of the Etruscan theme. Our people simply have no idea how many museums in Italy are literally filled with artifacts of this ancient people, how many Etruscan tombs have survived, which you can visit and see everything with your own eyes. Translated into tons - ha-ha, it will be, without exaggeration, thousands of tons of artifacts hidden in the ground, so even those who like to say that these are all specially buried "treasures" in order to deceive someone, will have to understand that neither one, even the richest state is simply not able to produce so much, and even bury it, and even so that no one blabs. So what about the Etruscans will be ...

Our lovely women, who are not so few on the VO website now, liked the articles on the history of the costume. And this topic will also be continued. Moreover, this year we will have a long-awaited meeting with the clothes of our ancestors.

Once upon a time, one of the readers complained that I couldn't write an article on our wooden fortresses of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. And yes, I really can't. Because my wife was studying the history of our Penza when she worked in our regional museum. And she had a great article on this topic in one of our newspapers. And now there are photos for the article, but the material ... is “hidden in the archive”, where it became much more difficult to get there because of the coronavirus. But as soon as I get there, I will make the promised material for a long time. Just like the promised article about loading boosters. I remember about her. Was on the website of the US Patent Office. Found a lot of interesting patents. It remains only to resolve the issue with the photographs - to get "permission", then I will write it. However, the "inner voice" for some reason opposes this ...

The "theme of the Indians" aroused great interest. Therefore, it seems to me that it makes sense to do this: along with individual topics, since this is going on in VO now, to start a big cycle on the history of "land overseas" That is, to start with its settlement through Beringia, and then about the development of a number of Indian peoples. There have already been articles about the Maya, Aztecs, Incas and the civilization of the Mississippi peoples. This means that it will be necessary not to repeat, but to write about what has not been here yet. And, of course, about cowboys, famous gunfighters and their no less famous revolvers, in a word, about everything that turned us on when we were boys, but still does not leave us indifferent.


By years, by churches, by parishes - everything is laid out. And that was important! Think of Wilkie Collins' novel The Woman in White. There, the whole intrigue is just built on a forgery of such a church book!

On the topic of our Russian history - well, how can you do without it, I did not have this in the past, it will not happen now: first, the "peasant cycle" will end, and at the same time a new one will begin - dedicated to the Decembrists with all the details. It seems to me that they deserve more than one small article published on VO. There will certainly be a cycle of personalities complementing it, and who will not be there, but who exactly you, dear readers, will not guess anyway. So ... go to VO, and more often!

The topic "Russia in wars" will surely appear, in which we will talk about the fateful wars in the history of our country. There will be few materials, but each of several articles. Well, battles, of course, will also be there. You can't live without them!

The archive is the place where you can find a lot of interesting things. If circumstances permit, I will again try to work in the regional archives and the archive of the OFOPO GAPO. In particular, with party documents from the Second World War period. I haven't even touched them yet. But there are interesting topics: marriage before the war, which reached 92% in a number of indicators, and ... marriage during the war. Did he disappear overnight? Has the awareness of the bunglers increased? Or how? Did they stay at work because there was no one to replace them, or were they reforged in the GULAG? Interesting, isn't it?

The theme of the school ... Oh, this school. But this topic will definitely be continued - as before, based on my personal memories and experience of working within its walls. And the university? We will also write about him, darling, after all, I worked there from 1982 to 2017, that is, quite a lot. What is the situation there now, what are the prospects for our regional university science - there will be materials about this.

"What about cats?" - someone will ask. And the answer will certainly be positive: "There will be about them, fluffy, and about ... rats, and a lot about something else that can directly affect the development of our civilization!"


Permission from the Hermitage to use photographs in the article on VO. That's how they have everything solid there

So, as you can see, on my part, dear friends, this year there will be a lot of articles written on the basis of both archival and museum materials, and even with public domain photos. See you on the pages of VO!
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 January 2021 15: 10
    +11
    Happy New Year, Vyacheslav Olegovich, Merry Christmas and new creative successes!
    We are waiting for new articles!)
    1. kalibr
      4 January 2021 16: 00
      +9
      And you too, dear Nazariy! Wait! Already 6 are waiting for you. They are written and are just waiting to be posted.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 4 January 2021 16: 02
        +1
        Aha! So it is because of you that we, young authors, are introducing a limit on articles? !!)))
        Just kidding, of course, it's good when you have plenty to choose from, it's bad when you choose unsuccessful articles. But this does not apply to you for sure)))
      2. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 4 January 2021 17: 06
        +2
        Better not write about tanks, obviously not your topic. But the weapon cycle was very interesting to read. Well, yes, Happy New Year and new achievements. At least in terms of access to archives.
        1. kalibr
          4 January 2021 18: 12
          +6
          Quote: Kuroneko
          Better not write about tanks, obviously not your topic.

          After 3 bestseller books and the publication of the first "armored model magazine" TANKOMASTER in Russia? Ha!
        2. kalibr
          4 January 2021 18: 14
          +3
          Quote: Kuroneko
          At least in terms of access to archives.

          There are only two archives available to me now. Both are in Penza. You can work with others, even in London, but it's very troublesome ... it costs money.
          1. 27091965
            27091965 4 January 2021 21: 15
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            You can work with others, even in London, but it's very troublesome ... it costs money.


            It costs not only money, but also compliance with the rules of using copyright (license agreement).
        3. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 4 January 2021 20: 39
          -5
          Mr. Gauleiter Shpakovsky, it's better not to write about anything at all. You read it like a person wrote it, but you dig deeper, especially his comments - a Gauleiter. Hates people, hates competent analysis, hates facts. May all your plans go to waste, as well as my positive opinion of you.
          1. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 5 January 2021 06: 50
            +4
            What about freedom of speech? Freedom of speech has been in Russia since 1987.

            Shpakovsky writes beautifully and with inspiration. There is nothing contrary to the legislation of Russia in its articles. Incl. The Law "On Mass Media". There is no hatred of the people in Shpakovsky's articles. On the contrary, only love for the people is in his articles, no matter what our people are. Shpakovsky's hatred of facts and analysis is on your conscience, which apparently does not exist, judging by the insult and hatred that your remark breathes.
            Shpakovsky's article on archiving does not pretend to be scientific. This is a popular yet completely objective article. So let all the plans of Mr. Shpakovsky come true. I always read it with pleasure.

            And you, Mr. critic, publish your own articles on the topic, and write them in a fun way. And then we will honor you.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 5 January 2021 11: 16
              -2
              Read who is stopping you and enjoy. There was a time, I also read and respected Gauleiter Shpakovsky. Chukchi is not a writer, Chukchi is a reader. And the wishes to the Gauleiter (you think out of anger? Are you wrong) is on your conscience. I would not like to live in a world dear to the heart of Mr. Gauleiter Shpakovsky. And I do not advise you.
              1. Mayan
                Mayan 11 January 2021 21: 59
                0
                .. archives (local, scientific, special science, etc., ..) of all Russian cities have been moved, issued in Moscow, St. Petersburg ..
            2. vladcub
              vladcub 5 January 2021 17: 36
              0
              It would be interesting. Here are just: "vague suspicions torment" that we will not see the article
  2. pytar
    pytar 4 January 2021 15: 15
    +12
    Happy New Year, Vyacheslav! I wish you health and creative success!

    Note: In Bulgaria, addressing a stranger by name is not considered an expression of disrespect, but means goodwill, good intentions! hi
    1. depressant
      depressant 4 January 2021 15: 30
      +8
      Peter, Happy New Year to you! love )))
      We wish you prosperity and brotherly Bulgaria! love hi ))))
      1. pytar
        pytar 4 January 2021 16: 03
        +8
        Thank you, Lyudmila! I wish you health and personal happiness! Peace, success and prosperity to the fraternal Russian people! good
        1. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 4 January 2021 17: 25
          +8
          I personally respect you, although I criticize you! but where are we now fraternal peoples? How are you in the mood?
          1. pytar
            pytar 4 January 2021 18: 11
            +7
            I personally respect you, although I criticize you!

            Thank you! Take my critics too, this way!


            but where are we now fraternal peoples?

            The policy of states is always guided by interests! Putin himself says that there are no friends in politics! Politicians come and go. The peoples remain! Here in this place, national, human, there is brotherhood and friendship! Of course there will always be "non-brothers", but these never had such.

            How are you in the mood?

            Well, let's just say ... post-new year ... drinks We have, by the way, 4 January, a working day.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 4 January 2021 18: 22
              +4
              Putin himself says that there are no friends in politics!
              This is not Putin speaking, this is Lord Palmerston said.
              1. pytar
                pytar 4 January 2021 18: 38
                +5
                Putin himself says that there are no friends in politics! This is not Putin speaking, this is Lord Palmerston said.

                You are wrong, Anton ...


                Lord Palmerston said:


                And Alexander III said:


                The meaning, the essence of all these three statements is the same. The interests of the state are always in the first place! So it was, so it is and so it will be.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 4 January 2021 18: 53
                  +5
                  Peter, in terms of semantic meaning, Putin has not gone far from Palmerston, who expressed this idea 2000 years earlier. As for the dictum of Alexander III, the stupid foreign policy of his predecessor led to a similar situation.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 4 January 2021 19: 19
                    +5
                    on 2000 years
                    Sorry, typo, of course 200
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 4 January 2021 19: 31
                      +5
                      for 2000 years. Sorry, typo, of course 200

                      I understood. No problems. yes
                  2. pytar
                    pytar 4 January 2021 19: 31
                    +6
                    eter, in terms of semantic meaning, Putin did not go far from Palmerston, who expressed this idea 2000 years earlier. As for the dictum of Alexander III, the stupid foreign policy of his predecessor led to a similar situation.

                    You know, I'm not going to comment on these individuals. No matter how we treat them, they really left a major / and ambiguous / contribution to history.
                    But the principle of the primacy of interests in politics has always been and will be! Like 2000 thousand. years ago, as well as 200. And here we must frankly say - interests are changing, "enemies" and "friends" are changing. But between us, as ordinary people, there is nothing to share, nothing to quarrel about because of politicians! hi
                  3. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 4 January 2021 19: 57
                    +6
                    Michael (who is close to Trilobite) may disagree with you.

                    I respect the time of Alexander III, but it cannot be completely separated from Alexander II and Nicholas II.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 5 January 2021 06: 59
                      +2
                      Let him disagree. My communication with Mikhail began with a dispute.
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 07: 07
                        +3
                        Of course. And this time is closer to us, and we feel it better.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 January 2021 07: 26
                        +2
                        I respect the time of Alexander III, but it cannot be completely separated from Alexander II and Nicholas II.
                        I would say: not separate at all.
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 07: 33
                        +2
                        Yes. On the 2nd I went to my small homeland. Aunt is 80 years old. I am careful with the photos, but I reshoot the photo of my great-grandmother.

                        The faces of people of the pre-revolutionary structure so bear the stamp of their time.
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 January 2021 07: 52
                        +2
                        Unfortunately, I have nothing left of this generation.
                      5. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 08: 01
                        +2
                        And I have only the Psalter, but it is very badly preserved.
                        The Old Believer cemetery is intact. But there is a limit to everything.
                      6. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 08: 09
                        +2
                        I did not mention the icon of the Fyodorovskaya Mother of God. This is probably the cornerstone.
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 January 2021 08: 15
                        +2
                        Nothing at all. Not my fault, my trouble.
                      8. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 08: 23
                        +2
                        I’m already thinking about what we can pass on to the children.
                        Even volumes of books are already a thing of the past.
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 January 2021 08: 27
                        +2
                        It all depends on how much they need it.
                      10. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 08: 53
                        +2
                        And that too.
                        But you can't make a wishlist for a lifetime.
                        Yes, and these are not our traditions. No place is left for a miracle.
                      11. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 January 2021 09: 02
                        +2
                        Uh-huh. Only miracles are all some kind of "noir". More and more often I feel like the hero of Tim Burton or Guy Ritchie.
                      12. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 09: 06
                        +2
                        These names and surnames did not respond in any way. Which movie is worth watching? But a very slow "caretaker".
                      13. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 January 2021 09: 20
                        +3
                        With Burton - practically everything, if there is no rejection of D. Depp's creativity.
                        "Edward - Scissorhands" is generally considered a "family" movie.
                        Richie has almost everything except "Revolver", but it's better to look without women and children, especially in Goblin's translation.
                      14. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 5 January 2021 09: 50
                        +2
                        And "Liar, Liar" - from this series?
                      15. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 5 January 2021 09: 59
                        +2
                        It didn't look. I read the content and, perhaps, not.
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 5 January 2021 11: 10
                      +1
                      ... except for "Revolver",

                      Why besides?
                      To be honest, I hardly remember it, but it seemed to look normal.
                    3. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 5 January 2021 11: 14
                      +2
                      An obvious creative crisis of the director, which is associated with the period of marriage with Madonna.
                    4. Catfish
                      Catfish 5 January 2021 11: 31
                      +1
                      Well, I'm not an expert on "kin", I've seen little, especially recently, it's somehow boring, whatever you look, after ten minutes you catch yourself thinking about something else. This is given the fact that I do not even try to open our "kin".
                    5. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 5 January 2021 11: 37
                      +2
                      Try the Spanish TV series Plague. Genre: historical detective. I like it. Freely available on ivi.ru
                    6. Catfish
                      Catfish 5 January 2021 12: 03
                      0
                      Thank you, maybe I'll get together sometime.))
                  4. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 5 January 2021 11: 50
                    +2
                    I watch “Heavenly Swallows” in fragments in the morning.
                  5. hohol95
                    hohol95 6 January 2021 19: 47
                    +1
                    "Battle of local significance", 2008.
                  6. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 6 January 2021 20: 42
                    0
                    Is this somehow connected with Bogomolov?
                  7. hohol95
                    hohol95 6 January 2021 20: 50
                    0
                    Can not answer.
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 6 January 2021 19: 41
      +1
      Depends on the genre. Try watching the movie "The Frozen Land". Detective. Events unfold in the state of Alaska.
    3. hohol95
      hohol95 6 January 2021 19: 44
      +1
      Or - "Wind River" - an American film in the neo-western genre.
    4. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 January 2021 20: 43
      0
      I will list both films for myself.
    5. hohol95
      hohol95 6 January 2021 20: 53
      +1
      At the end of the film "Windy River" it is said that there are no statistics on missing women of the indigenous peoples of North America in the United States.
      And there is no statistics of offenses against them.
  3. vladcub
    vladcub 5 January 2021 18: 33
    +1
    How to separate, after all, Alexander is the third son of Alexander3.
    Whether Alexander wanted it or not, he had to take into account his father's policy.
    Nikolai 2, perhaps he is not stupid and wanted the best, but he is henpecked. His mother hated her daughter-in-law and did everything to spite her daughter-in-law, and she paid the mother-in-law with the same coin.
    I'm thinking: Alexander 3 loved his mother. If she were alive, would she interfere in state affairs?
  • pytar
    pytar 4 January 2021 18: 27
    +6
    By the way, smart minus players appeared, albeit with a delay! laughing I wish them health in the New Year! And one caveat in connection with exactly health ... Each minus or post containing negative, generates negative energy ... Usually, it is multiplied back to the sender! Take care of your health, do not create negativity! yes
  • vladcub
    vladcub 5 January 2021 18: 10
    +1
    "Politicians come and go. Peoples remain" here is not to subtract or add.
    As long as you remember: Stoletova and Gurko or Yulia Vrevskaya, you will not believe that the Russian knackers want to slaughter you.
    And we, until recently, remembered about: "brother", and now someone starts: "to direct a shadow on the slab" in the sense of a negative about you, and there were articles on the site, _in this vein
  • depressant
    depressant 4 January 2021 18: 22
    +8
    May I answer?
    We lived in the USSR. But the country is not only and not so much the territory and state bodies, the country is people with their mentality. We, the Soviets, are alive! And whoever we are, whatever we do, our mentality is alive, gaining a foothold in new generations, albeit partially. The Soviet Union lives in a new country named Russia and is not going to die, no matter how much someone wants it. So it is in Bulgaria - the socialist Bulgarians are alive and well - long years for them! They remember everything, and we remember everything, and our mutual affection was preserved.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 4 January 2021 20: 41
      +3
      With your mouth, yes honey to drink!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 5 January 2021 17: 52
    +2
    Boyan Petrovich, bravo. You are a real gentleman .. Earlier they said: "gallant gentleman", _ and now Angloism is almost everywhere.
    Previously, more books were read and speech was richer, but now instead of books, Hollywood or not a clever imitation of Hollywood and our language and culture are becoming poorer.
  • kalibr
    4 January 2021 16: 02
    +9
    And also all your cats in Bulgaria are called Matza. The secretary of your embassy in Moscow told me this !!! There are many different and surprising things in the customs and culture of different nations.
    1. pytar
      pytar 4 January 2021 16: 18
      +7
      And also all your cats in Bulgaria are called Matza.

      And there is! And so they call beautiful flirty girls! "Matse", like "baby". On this occasion, anegdot:

      A man tries to flirt with a young beautiful woman on the street:
      -Hey matze, you were told that you are very attractive! wink
      -Oh, I've been told many times! But my husband doesn't like it! And here it is! Running towards you with a baseball bat! fellow


      Another joke: laughing

      -Hey matze, can I get you a cup of milk?
      -Thanks peach / dude /, but I'm already mashed!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 16: 25
        +3
        Quote: pytar
        Ooh, I've been told many times! But my husband doesn't like it! And here it is! Running towards you with a baseball bat!

        Are you not from Gabrovo, by any chance? drinks
        1. pytar
          pytar 4 January 2021 16: 51
          +7
          Are you not from Gabrovo, by any chance?

          Yes, it is all of Bulgaria, continuous Gabrovo ... laughing
          Anegdota from Shopluk / North-West Bulgaria /:
          Vute walked one snail ...
          Met ego Nana and says:
          -Wow, you have a very good snail!
          Wute answers:
          - I was even better, but ran away!


          Anegdot from Plevna:
          -They ask if I can sing? I can sing, but people cannot listen to me!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 16: 53
            +6
            Quote: pytar
            Yes, it is all of Bulgaria, continuous Gabrovo ...

            We also have funny people. laughing
            1. pytar
              pytar 4 January 2021 17: 17
              +8
              Are you not from Gabrovo, by any chance?

              Vladimir, are you not a psychic, by any chance? belay While I was translating Bulgarian jokes here, I got fresh news from Gabrovo!
              The authorities of the Bulgarian Gabrovo were fined for saving on the New Year
              MOSCOW, January 4 - RIA Novosti. The authorities of the Bulgarian Gabrovo, whose residents are known for their frugality, tried to save money on New Year's celebrations, but were fined by the sanitary inspection as a result, according to the Bulgarian National Radio.
              https://ria.ru/20210104/bolgariya-1591969006.html
              By the way, I'm not surprised by the thriftiness of the Gabrovo people, they cut the tails of cats so that in winter the front door closes faster! laughing
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 17: 20
                +6
                Quote: pytar
                got on the next news from Gabrovo!

                And here in the USSR, in the Krokodil magazine, news from Gabrovo was often printed. winked
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 January 2021 17: 30
                  +7
                  And here in the USSR, in the Krokodil magazine, news from Gabrovo was often printed.

                  I was signed up for Crocodile! Soviet magazines and newspapers were obtained without restrictions! Our analogue was the newspaper "Sturshel" / hornet /! She often rewrote jokes from "Crocodile"! laughing

                  Vladimir, I hope our humorous correspondence here will not be perceived as a flood! I think everyone who has CHJ will have a good mood! good
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 17: 39
                    +6
                    Quote: pytar
                    Soviet magazines and newspapers were obtained without restrictions!

                    I didn’t know, honestly ... But our family also subscribed to the crocodile. In general, we read a lot. Magazines Worker, Peasant, Technology-youth, Fisherman ... AIF, Komsomolskaya Pravda, Trud ... Yes, and exchanged. I am a friend, for example, Man and the Law, and he is to me - the Soviet militia. hi
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 4 January 2021 18: 01
                      +11
                      Technique-youth, Foreign Military Review, Sputnik, Radio, Aviation and Astronautics, and a bunch of other Soviet ones, I received every year! I still have it! We corresponded with Soviet schoolchildren, exchanged gifts! Every Friday on our TV, they betrayed only the Soviet one, which was a bad idea by the way ... but this is a different topic. And the launches of the Union, were always transmitted, usually at our lunch hours, so I had to desert from classes! I could not miss this! And, unfortunately, we are watching Spysex, the Unions remained the same as I saw for a long time. This is a sad fact, but I hope there will be news in the field of science, technology, space and from Russia! God forbid! good
              2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2021 21: 25
                +3
                Peter, good evening, with the past holiday!

                Quote: pytar
                By the way, I'm not surprised by the thriftiness of the Gabrovo people, they cut the tails of cats so that in winter the front door closes faster!

                If this is not a joke, I have no words - only emotions.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 January 2021 21: 52
                  +4
                  Good evening, Vladislav! On Bulgarian Dobar evening! bully And to you with the last holiday! Be healthy! Let neither covid nor other diseases reach you!
                  About the tails of cats, this is of course a joke! There is such a popular joke! laughing
                  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2021 22: 18
                    +3
                    Quote: pytar
                    About the tails of cats, this is of course a joke! There is such a popular joke!

                    Uf. I felt relieved from my heart !!!
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 4 January 2021 22: 31
                      +1
                      Uf. I felt relieved from my heart !!!

                      But there is another anegdote! ABOUT "... a breeder who has been trying for 20 years to create a tailless cat breed by cutting their tails! And finally he did it! And the Bolsheviks started without wasting time with .." But here I will stop, otherwise they will give a New Year's ban. laughing
            2. pytar
              pytar 4 January 2021 20: 42
              +4
              We also have funny people. laughing

              Convinced! Fact!!! good Vladimir, at that time your post was classified 8 funny people laughing , 3 sad crying minus!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 21: 17
                +3
                Quote: pytar
                and 3 sad ones minus!

                And we just laugh and remains. I agree with the residents of Gabrovo. I also save on the celebration. Oh, if only the inspection did not come to me. drinks
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2021 21: 21
      +5
      Salute to all!
      Read to
      ... "What about cats?" - someone will ask. And the answer will certainly be positive:

      I got a stone in my garden !!! good
      We are certainly waiting for Vyacheslav Olegovich! laughing
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 4 January 2021 15: 17
    +6
    Vyacheslav Olegovich good (I already have 17) evening! You are an excellent author giving feedback to your readers! Excellent series of articles, especially on Weapons, but many and many write about it! Almost with tears I ask crying - Continue Knights at the table ... That's just hooked on this topic!
    1. depressant
      depressant 4 January 2021 15: 50
      +7
      Support, Hunter 2!
      It is very interesting how people lived in their metal shells - probably, it was not very easy for them in such equipment wassat
    2. kalibr
      4 January 2021 16: 05
      +7
      Alexei! I would be glad to write: "At your service!" But ... with all your interest in this topic (and mine!), You will have to wait. It may be necessary to order books in England (there is a lot about knights for everyone!), And for that to look for them, and are there any on this topic? And do we have their translated books? It will take time ...
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 4 January 2021 15: 32
    +13
    yeah ... delving into tons of paper is still a "pleasure"! Once he took a steamer after a fire on the navigating bridge! So they put out the bridge, and the radio room was flooded with a trailer! And there is a ton of documentation for all radio and navigation equipment. I was not present at the very fire, I took it after. And upon arrival on board I found a complete mess. How Mamai went through the war! For another two weeks I collected scattered and mixed schemes, forms and so on, sorted them into the necessary folders! Until now, I shudder with the Osa as I remember hi
    Vyacheslav Olegovich my respect! I really appreciate the articles !!! good drinks
    py-sy
    here .. looked at the workplace. Himself worked on a laptop for a long time, but .. well, nafig it)) 2 monitors of 27 inches. With less, my work will not work))))
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 4 January 2021 15: 35
    +12
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you very much for the articles on the history of small arms! Very interesting and informative, I learn a lot for the first time.
    But with articles on the history of the USSR, both with archival data and with your personal memories, I disagree in many respects - but here both your and my subjectivism is evident. That is why I often do not share your point of view, but despite this, your work with archives commands respect.
    Thanks again for your articles on VO!
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 4 January 2021 15: 38
      +10
      I support the history of the USSR. Although I was only 18 years old, I saw something myself, and I still "pick" the topic, oddly enough.
  • Polymer
    Polymer 4 January 2021 15: 55
    +7
    Help from Wikipedia:
    Narcissistic personality disorder - personality disorder, characterized by a belief in one's own uniqueness, special position, superiority over other people, grandeur; an inflated opinion about their talents and achievements; absorption in fantasies about their successes; the expectation of an unquestionably good attitude and unquestioning obedience from others; seeking the admiration of others to confirm their uniqueness and significance; inability to show sympathy; ideas about their own freedom from any rules, that others envy them. Narcissistic individuals constantly try to control the opinion of others about themselves. They tend to devalue almost everything around them in the world, while idealizing what they associate themselves with.

    Happy New Year, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 4 January 2021 16: 06
      +1
      Great comment! It’s good that I don’t have to read "this is all."
    2. kalibr
      4 January 2021 16: 15
      +7
      Happy New Year, Sergey! But ... help from Wikipedia is a relative thing. What kind of narcissism if every person is unique in their own way? Is not it? A person dies - the universe dies. Superiority over others? Yes, it is in everyone, the difference is only in%. Showing sympathy is a dubious thing. For 66 years, I was convinced that we will always sympathize with your grief, secretly thinking (it’s not good with me!), But to rejoice at someone else’s success is a zap for us. Do you agree that all this is present in our life? And many still live according to the 11th commandment: "Push the one who is falling." And is all this reflected in the wiki? No! But isn't there? There is! And regarding self-opinion, Narcissists are usually cunning and vile egoists who seek to please everyone. I in no way strive for this!
      1. Polymer
        Polymer 4 January 2021 16: 50
        +5
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, you call it self-promotion, but I just showed you that there is another point of view on this behavior.
        1. kalibr
          4 January 2021 18: 18
          0
          Quote: Polymer
          there is another point of view on this behavior.

          I personally always choose the positive one. That is, I try to think well of each person. Choosing a negative point of view also characterizes a person, doesn't it?
          1. Polymer
            Polymer 4 January 2021 18: 44
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            Choosing a negative point of view also characterizes a person, doesn't it?

            Of course it does! laughing
            Do you consider the majority (80%) of people ... not smart enough, idlers, drunkards? wink
            1. kalibr
              4 January 2021 19: 22
              +3
              Quote: Polymer
              Do you consider the majority (80%) of people ... not smart enough, idlers, drunkards?

              Not me. Not me. This is a law that I did not invent. However, I have always believed and still believe that there is a spark of God in every such person, that they are all citizens of Russia, have the right to elect and be elected. So do not confuse objective reality and my personal opinion. Can I explain it easily?
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 4 January 2021 20: 02
                +5
                Remember Goethe:

                “He would have lived better if he had
                His you are God's spark from within.
                He calls this spark with reason.
                And with this spark cattle live with cattle. "
              2. Polymer
                Polymer 4 January 2021 20: 50
                +6
                Quote: kalibr
                This is the law that I did not come up with

                However, you clung to it as the most accurate and absolute one. And you interpret it in your own way, but in fact, Pareto's law is about something else entirely:
                in the most general form it is formulated as "20% of efforts give 80% of the result, and the remaining 80% of efforts - only 20% of the result"

                Moreover, this empirical rule, and this means that its accuracy is very conditional. There is no "objective reality" here.
                The figures given in the law cannot be considered unconditionally accurate: they are rather just a mnemonic rule than real guidelines.
                1. kalibr
                  4 January 2021 21: 44
                  0
                  Sergei! Yes, I read it all a long time ago. This is only part of what this law covers. It is estimated that 80% of people (on average) own only 20% of property (in England 70 and 30 proportion). And 20% - 80 ... And then the question is, why is this so. And the answer is a simple something is missing, yes, people to own and manage property. This was done by psychologists, sociologists, economists, a lot of people and found out by joint efforts. And you can, of course, and should contact Vicki, but not in such a serious case. You, probably, either did not study sociology at the university, or you were poorly explained this topic ...
        2. kalibr
          4 January 2021 19: 33
          +3
          I see, Sergei, that you wrote about self-promotion, clearly not knowing what it is. So let me tell you a little about this. There are 4 models of PR communication according to James Grunig and Todd Hunt. So the first one is manipulative, it is agitation and propaganda. The second is the journalistic model, "informing the public" (also manipulative). The third is a two-sided asymmetric model: we conduct a study of public opinion (of the same comments), and when we find out what people need, we give it to them. Then we study it again and give it again. The 1th most democratic - two-way symmetric communication - people are given the opportunity to express themselves and they are answered by correcting their own and their points of view. It can force the leadership of the organization to exchange ideas with other groups that will influence each other and adapt to each other's attitudes and behavior. It is not very popular in Russia, but the future belongs to it. What you called self-PR is actually the 2th model of PR communication.
          1. Fat
            Fat 4 January 2021 20: 31
            +2
            Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich hi I wonder why model # 4 turned out to be not very popular in Russia? How to Win Friends and Influence People is Dale Carnegie's most famous book. IMHO very many read and not only that. It was very popular ... request
            1. kalibr
              4 January 2021 21: 11
              +2
              Quote: Thick
              the most famous book by Dale Carnegie. IMHO very many have read and not only that. It was very popular ...
              Yes, it was popular. But when we went to PR, it turned out that model 4 is very expensive and requires professionals. Where to get them? And it's expensive to pay them. And the result is delayed, by the way.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 22: 31
              +5
              Quote: Thick
              How to Win Friends and Influence People is Dale Carnegie's most famous book.

              The creator of this popular book died in splendid isolation and without friends. How do you like that? People feel fake, and Carnegie's book is fake through and through. IMHO. Personally, let them scold me, but sincerely. hi Again IMHO.
              1. Fat
                Fat 4 January 2021 23: 02
                +2
                He died of cancer, however. Do psychologists have friends in general? They are completely false. Nasty profession, IMHO and he died "professionally" hi
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 23: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Thick
                  Do psychologists have friends in general?

                  Exactly. Personally, I think it's better to tell the hard-hitting truth than to fill the tanks with lies and flattery.
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 5 January 2021 06: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: Thick
                  ... Do psychologists have friends in general?

                  My father-in-law had recourse Doctor of Science Blenkor Same drunk crying Forgive me lord
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 5 January 2021 04: 17
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                The creator of this popular book died in splendid isolation and without friends.

                And who wants to communicate with the ever-smiling idiot all his life, who, having met you at the toilet, asks -How are you? am
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 04: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  And who wants to communicate with the ever-smiling idiot all his life, who, having met you at the toilet, asks -How are you?

                  laughing By the way, I tried to apply his techniques, when we wrote explanatory notes at work about unaccounted for spare parts for cars, when they checked our bedside tables and found whole heaps. It became disgusting to myself. I walk from my corner, towards the master: "Well, Vova, hid everything?" Yes, I say, I have to hide all day. And I worked on dismantling cars, I had full bedside tables of spare parts, which, in theory, had to be taken to the warehouse. All these stoves, distributors, mass switches, light bulbs and the like are more or less in short supply. However, the whole brigade wrote these explanatory notes, they all found an unaccounted for. And there were 25 people in the brigade. Although the bosses themselves asked for spare parts if they needed anything. Like: "Well, look in your stash ... Well, find it somewhere ..." They gave it, they were not greedy. Disgusting, damn it ...
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 5 January 2021 06: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    And there were 25 people in the brigade.

                    25 people at the toilet and one boss with the question -And no one had a light bulb lying around? And to him with a smile smile How are you? .... wassat
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 06: 31
                      +2
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      25 people at the toilet and one boss with the question -And no one had a light bulb lying around? And to him with a smile. How are you? ....

                      They stole, so the director got angry. Either the new wheels will roll off, then something else ... One clown tied a Zilovsky flywheel to a string, hung it around his neck under his sweatshirt, and went to dinner. And the flywheel is heavy. It weighs 25 kilos. Right at the checkpoint, the rope broke. Everyone gurgled. My boss understood that if I carried all the spare parts to the warehouse, then as a result we would not really do anything. And we will only run back and forth. So, together, one zil 130 per shift was completely scattered for overhaul. It was also funny. One from another shop comes up: "Guys, we need headlights!" "Yes with a screwdriver, yes, take off!" He smacks a cigarette in his mouth and let's twist it off. A mischievous woman was walking by for safety reasons, and he was fined for smoking in the workplace. And he was generally left, from another workshop. So we laughed.
          2. Polymer
            Polymer 4 January 2021 21: 08
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            It can force the leadership of the organization to exchange ideas with other groups that will influence each other and adapt to each other's attitudes and behavior.

            What kind of organization is the article talking about? As in many of your articles, you are there only about yourself, your beloved. If at least your personal PR manager wrote this article, I would agree with you about the 4th model, but here the case is different. By the way, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you have already told a lot about your childhood here. So what is now called self-promotion or self-promotion, in mine childhood was called bragging. And braggarts, to put it mildly, were not respected.
            1. kalibr
              4 January 2021 21: 15
              +1
              Quote: Polymer
              If at least your personal PR manager wrote this article, I would agree with you about the 4th model, but here the case is different.

              Now, if this were so, then it would just be advertising. And then there is an exchange of views. People read and can offer something of their own, I, in turn, have the opportunity to adjust my plans. It's so easy to understand, it seems to be chewed up nowhere ... And you are still unhappy with 80%. You don't have to look far for an example
              1. Polymer
                Polymer 4 January 2021 21: 16
                +3
                Quote: kalibr
                You don't have to look far for an example

                Really!
              2. Polymer
                Polymer 4 January 2021 21: 26
                +3
                Quote: kalibr
                Now, if this were so, then it would just be advertising

                It is advertising, and the possibility of feedback remains. And here is SELF advertising. Can I explain it easily?
            2. kalibr
              4 January 2021 21: 16
              +1
              Quote: Polymer
              So what is now called self-promotion or self-promotion, in my childhood was called boasting.

              The time in which your childhood has obviously passed has rested in Bose.
            3. kalibr
              4 January 2021 21: 36
              +1
              Quote: Polymer
              What kind of organization is the article talking about?

              Any source of socially significant information is a rather complex system, even if it is represented by only one person. Because he is in turn tied to other sources of information. The same order of publication of articles, for example, is determined not by the author, but by the site administration. Many articles became possible thanks to the help of VO readers. It seems that all this is obvious ...
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 4 January 2021 16: 08
    +10
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 January 2021 16: 27
    +5
    Dear Vyacheslav!
    Personally, I look forward to such articles on the VO website that really captivate me not only by the relevance of the information, but also by facts unknown to the general public. Recently, I have been very wary of any sources of statistics, especially the one that was collected on my knees according to reports written with a pen.
    Also, you know, it is disgusting to read the libels of authors covering the issue of political preferences. I love it when, if they want mutual sympathy, the authors are not too lazy to add all the ingredients to the prepared "dish". With a lack of understanding I perceive obvious "mistakes" and "misprints", allowing to conclude that the material was prepared "in a hurry - to the chickens to laugh" ...
    I wish you creative success!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 January 2021 16: 50
      +5
      I almost forgot. You used in the article lines from Mayakovsky's poem, which also contains the following words:
      I glorify the Fatherland, which is, but three times - which will be!

      Perhaps it is not necessary to say three times about what will (probably) be. Sometimes it is more useful to remember (three times) what happened.
      hi
    2. Alexander Vorontsov
      Alexander Vorontsov 4 January 2021 18: 24
      -11%
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Also, you know, it is disgusting to read the libels of authors covering the issue of political preferences.

      Wow you bent. If you have a red banner on your avatar, we owe this banner, among other things, to the beginning of a fratricidal war, in which people died by the millions "for political preferences."
      Doesn't it seem disgusting to you?
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 4 January 2021 19: 18
        +1
        a victim of EG? Or an admirer of the cheeky?
        1. Alexander Vorontsov
          Alexander Vorontsov 4 January 2021 20: 15
          -8
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          a victim of EG? Or an admirer of the cheeky?

          How do you connect Navalny and the fact that the communists unleashed a bloodbath - a fratricidal war?
          Which initially meant the COMPLETE and TOTAL destruction of any dissent.
          Those. "It is disgusting to read the libels of authors covering the issue of political preferences."

          The author of these lines generally understands that in the USSR a dissenting person constantly risked being "legally killed".
          And everything that was written and published was written and published precisely and strictly according to political preferences.

          Now you don't like Navalny. and you don't understand that you can joke. To be rude. Distort the surname. And you will get nothing for it.
          Probably you would have behaved just as insolently during Stalin's time, distorting his name, right?

          I'm really interested in how a friend is different from what was written under pain of death. From the fact that a person sincerely believed - well, for example, sincerely believed that Stalin was wrong in something.
          He's not God. But for some reason I did not see records like - at such and such a meeting, Torvash Petrov sharply criticized Comrade Stalin ... on the entire Soviet Union !!!
          And Comrade Stalin entered into a tough debate with Petrov. He argued his point of view!

          Nothing like this)))
          After each meeting, the same thing ...



          So it became interesting to me. Does this man with the red banner make you sick?


          Burnout. He has already left the podium, they all clap))) They are afraid to stop.
          What do you think they are victims of?)))
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 22: 45
            +2
            The Red Terror was unleashed in response to the White Terror. And remember the emperors? When they appeared in front of the troops, the commanders were supposed to shout the health resorts in his honor: "What a joy!" One colonel was lisp, and when he saw Nicholas II, he yelled: "What disgusting! What disgusting!" He was quickly fired.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 12
              0
              As far as I remember, some metropolitan skartavil at the coronation of the "bloody" when the crown fell out of his hands. But, I could be wrong)
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      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 January 2021 21: 32
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
        If you have a red banner on your avatar, we owe this banner, among other things, to the beginning of a fratricidal war, in which people died by the millions "for political preferences."


        This is what?
  • Crowe
    Crowe 4 January 2021 16: 42
    +12
    Dear Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Thanks for the articles already published and only preparing for publication on the pages of "Military Review"! I will not be original: for me personally to the articles
    On the topic of our Russian history

    will also be interesting
    ... "The theme of the Indians" ... And, of course, about cowboys, famous gunfighters and their no less famous revolvers, in a word, about everything that turned us on when we were boys, but still does not leave us indifferent.

  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 4 January 2021 16: 52
    -5
    Here is my workplace, where all my articles are created that are published on VO, as well as books ...

    Even some unexpectedly dull interior. And the man with the mustache in the photo in the closet looks suspiciously like a professional swindler.
    1. kalibr
      4 January 2021 18: 20
      +3
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      And the man with the mustache in the photo in the closet looks suspiciously like a professional swindler.

      This is me at 20!
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 January 2021 18: 38
        +2
        So I guessed it! laughing
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 4 January 2021 19: 39
        +4
        Raikin had such a miniature, where he takes out different photos from his pocket and characterizes each, but squints for one for a long time, says "the muzzle is cunning, gangster, obviously wants to steal something", and looking on the back, he says: "So it's me at 20! "
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 18: 27
    +1
    =. Even at rest, our brain consumes up to 25% of the body's energy, this is such an energy-consuming substance! And when you write, the energy flows through you. So my wife, for example, does not =
    According to energy needs, the adult population is divided into four main groups. The first group includes the so-called "intelligentsia" with a cost of 3000-3200 kcal. per day. That is why a cup of coffee is enough for you to replenish your expenses. The second group includes workers of mechanized labor with energy consumption of 3500-3600 kcal. per day. Coffee won't help here. And it's ridiculous to talk about the rest of the groups. The third group includes those employed in non-mechanized labor at a cost of 4000-4200 kcal. per day. The fourth group covers people with the most severe physical. labor, spending 4500-5000 kcal per day. For comparison, athletes spend 6000-7000 kcal during training, and in exceptional cases 15000 kcal. per day.
    So for you, Mr. Shpakovsky, it is simply indecent to hint to us about how hard you work.
    1. kalibr
      4 January 2021 18: 36
      +5
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      hinting to us about how hard you work is simply indecent.

      I'm not hinting! All of this is on the Internet, I have no transcendental knowledge. However, my life experience says that you can rest on the couch from hard physical labor. You can't get enough rest from the mental. You can't get away from the thoughts in your head. Try it and see that it is.
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      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 4 January 2021 18: 55
        +8
        I remember when in 2005 I "gave up" the seafaring life and weighed my legal 85 kg. With an increase of 183 .. in general, "a man in full bloom" (c) Well, it just so happened that I got into the design of interiors and exteriors (I already had a little knowledge of 3D graphics and visualization then). In general, after half a year I weighed 70 ... maman could not look at me without tears wassat but what did I do? Well .. as many people think "sat at the computer and clicked on the keys" .. just-just!
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 19: 33
          -1
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          weighed 70 ... maman could not look at me without tears wassat but what did I do? Well .. as many people think "sat at the computer and clicked on the keys" .. just-just!

          I knew one person ... At first as a locksmith. Normal physique. He graduated from the institute in absentia, became deputy. chairman of the trade union committee of the plant, was engaged in mass sports work at the plant. Then - the beginning of the shop. Then, grimaces of the 90s, - the director of the plant. A year later he became a hog. And what does this mean?
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 4 January 2021 19: 56
            +4
            it means that you read and see only what is beneficial to you personally in this context. This is called a "categorical model of thinking". It is often inherent in adolescents. For there are a lot of ambitions, but there is absolutely little knowledge and life baggage behind them.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 21: 37
              +1
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              thinking. "It is often inherent in adolescents. For there are a lot of ambitions, but there is absolutely little knowledge and life baggage behind them.

              Do you have a categorical model of thinking?
              I just gave an excerpt from the article, not mine. I had no right to do this?
              But he immediately became both a teenager and a person with great ambitions and a person with a categorical model of thinking. In a word, there were a lot of labels. And all why? Only because mine (of the author of the article on kcaloria) did not coincide with your opinion.
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              knowledge and life baggage behind him is categorically little.

              Mine is enough for me to come to an understanding - it is very difficult when you do a business that you know little or nothing about.
              Study the matter thoroughly and everything will become easy at once.
              Are you going to argue?
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 14
                0
                because I have an OPINION! And I will not argue with YOU because it is pointless! Because it is useless to argue with those who are not in the subject matter of the "word at all"! About the topic of the dispute, I hope you still know?)))
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 4 January 2021 20: 05
            +4
            And why are deputies of different levels often well-fed?
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 15
              +2
              but because as I wrote in the comments - they are parasites! and do not work either mentally or physically. Like a tick sucking. Sits and sucks blood! Why should he lose weight?))
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 19: 21
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        You can't get enough rest from the mental.

        1. From mental labor to rest well doing physical labor. Personally verified.
        2. Do you want to say that a person of physical labor does not think about anything at all, and, lying on the couch, easily expels thoughts from his head?
        If so, you are wrong. He thinks the same way when he works and when he lies on the couch. Just don’t talk to me about beer and TV lovers. They are, no doubt, but there are others.
        Quote: kalibr
        It's all on the Internet,

        That you give me the Internet in your defense. I'm talking about kcal. I also copied not from the ceiling, but from quite a scientific article.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 4 January 2021 19: 28
          +4
          think ... about different things. With varying degrees of responsibility for decision making. And people often dream, taking it for thoughts. Well, yes .. nowadays so many "scientific" are published. You read, so sometimes the remnants of the hair begin to take on a life of its own. Or do you believe the printed word a priori? Well then, my condolences!
          About n1. - Believe it or not, but now I have catastrophically no time to work physically. The working day starts at about eight and lasts at least 10 hours.
          p.2 - I do not want to say, I KNOW how and what is thought after purely physical work. (read more in detail below)
      4. Undecim
        Undecim 4 January 2021 19: 33
        +3
        Pay no attention, Vyacheslav Olegovich! It's just that a person has never worked intensively with his head.
        1. kalibr
          4 January 2021 21: 30
          +3
          I don’t even bother, Viktor Nikolaevich, you know my motto: "The dogs bark, but the caravan is moving!"
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 22: 08
          +1
          Quote: Undecim
          Pay no attention, Vyacheslav Olegovich! It's just that a person has never worked intensively with his head.

          Well, of course. Is this a head job when you need 35 km. wires from 1 mm sq, up to 95 mm sq. cut into pieces, the longest of which is 22 meters, connected to the apparatus. And so that all these devices work as they should. And when you come home you cannot fall asleep, because you are looking for where is the "quack" due to which the whole system does not work, or does not work correctly. Is this intense work? Here is to pull from different sources someone already written and build an article out of these nasty ones, yes - intensive work, the brain is already boiling.
          Isn't that how the article about Berdanka will be written?
          I understand that everyone has the most difficult job, but you have to be more modest, at least a little.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 4 January 2021 22: 23
            +2
            Respect for any job is considered perfectly normal. Suppose the distributor driver is physically practically not working, but the slightest loss of concentration during purging can result in a very serious accident with human casualties and multi-million dollar losses.
            And in order to write a normal article, you need to make serious efforts, even if it is a compilation from several sources. It took me at least five days. You can try to "pull and build" yourself, without using Wikipedia.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 23: 06
              +4
              Quote: Undecim
              Respect for any job is considered perfectly normal.

              I completely agree with you. That is why I was conquered by the words of the author that - = ... how 25% of the body's energy, this is such an energy-consuming substance! And when you write, the energy flows through you. =
              Interestingly, the author thought "what kind of energy goes like this" through a surgeon doing an operation for 6 hours? There are thousands of examples, but I won't. Because I won't prove anything anyway. Because someone has a guild solidarity, and someone has a love that is evil ...
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 4 January 2021 23: 21
                +2
                as 25% of the body's energy
                But here the author is just absolutely right. Even in an inactive state, the human brain consumes at least 10 percent of the body's energy resources. This is a "medical fact". If we take into account the costs of maintaining the spinal cord and the peripheral system, then about 15% of the energy of the whole organism in a state of rest is spent on maintaining the activity of the nervous system.
                And in the active state, according to the most conservative estimates, the energy costs of the brain alone increase more than 2 times.
                Therefore, both when writing an article and when performing work that requires increased attention, as in your case, the main consumer of energy in the body is the brain.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 00: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Undecim
                  But here is the author,

                  Do you really not understand what I mean, or are you pretending?
                  I mean, his job is not the most difficult that one might think from his words.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 5 January 2021 00: 31
                    +3
                    I specifically reread it again, but where the author claims that his work is more difficult than other works, I never saw it. The author describes exclusively his own production process.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 00: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Undecim
                      Reread it on purpose

                      And don't try. You don't want that.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 5 January 2021 00: 42
                        +2
                        I have a negative attitude towards wishful thinking. Even if you treat a person negatively, this is not a reason to be biased in a particular case.
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 00: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Even if you treat a person negatively, this is not a reason to be biased in a particular case.

                        And you are absolutely right.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 11: 37
            0
            Quote: Undecim
            distributor

            Please translate into Russian.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 5 January 2021 11: 57
              +2
              This is in Russian. A person managing a distributor - a set of oxygen converter mechanisms.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 13: 35
                -1
                Quote: Undecim
                This is in Russian. A person managing a distributor - a set of oxygen converter mechanisms.

                Excuse me, I disagree, this is not Russian, this is technical newspeak.
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 5 January 2021 13: 54
                  +2
                  This "newspeak" is over a hundred years old. Or do you suggest describing modern technical processes in Church Slavonic?
          3. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 January 2021 11: 52
            +3
            And this is still a very good speed.
          4. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 17: 45
            +1
            Quote: Undecim
            Respect for any job is considered perfectly normal.

            Somehow they were repairing a car with a KAMAZ brake system. Two days looking for where the breakdown is. All blocks were changed to known good ones. What about an electrician? I remember one driver was indignant at the electrician. Like, what do you pay for? For two turns of electrical tape? I sit and think: And you try, find where to wind these two turns. Also, it happens that all day long you are looking for where it closed. And you find it by accident. I was looking for it, I couldn't find it. But he accidentally touched the reel, and it is hot. There was no tester, and the control lamp does not show a short circuit. Everyone needs to think. Some more, others less.
  • kalibr
    4 January 2021 18: 38
    +2
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    For comparison, athletes spend 6000-7000 kcal during training, and in exceptional cases 15000 kcal. per day.

    Now it is clear why we have a lot of athletes in the Duma. They are accustomed to hard work, they belong there.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 19: 23
      +2
      Quote: kalibr

      Now it is clear why we have a lot of athletes in the Duma. They are accustomed to hard work, they belong there.

      1. I did not choose them there.
      2. Now it is clear why the USSR did not become - there were a lot of shpakovs.
      1. kalibr
        4 January 2021 21: 24
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Now it is clear why the USSR did not become - there were a lot of shpakovs.

        Exactly! There were many and he was gone. And there will be no return to it, because there are even more of them. And “Everything will be the way we want it. In case of various troubles, We have a Maxim machine gun, You don't have Maxim! "(Hillary Bellock) However, personally, I prefer informational impact to violence. Words are more effective than bullets!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 21: 32
          +6
          Quote: kalibr
          And there will be no return to it, because there are even more of them. And “Everything will be the way we want it.

          You already made a mistake once when you campaigned for the USSR. Look, make no mistake a second time. hi
          1. kalibr
            4 January 2021 22: 01
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            You already made a mistake once when you campaigned for the USSR. Look, make no mistake a second time.

            Vladimir, am I not writing about the fact that all the troubles come from a lack of knowledge? If I had then access to the books of the same Trotsky, read Bogdanov's time. Maybe he would not have started agitating and would have behaved completely differently? And you think why they were admitted to postgraduate studies in the history of the CPSU only after three years of teaching, when a person had already "shown" himself, and was admitted to the archives of the OK and the Central Committee of the CPSU very ... limitedly. We were afraid that our views would change ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 22: 09
              +7
              Quote: kalibr
              Maybe he would not have started agitating and would have behaved completely differently?

              Do not deceive yourself. You didn't want to be a worker. Respect others. After all, otherwise, and you will not be respected. negative
              1. kalibr
                5 January 2021 08: 27
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                You didn't want to be a worker.

                And that there are only two ways - to the workers and to agitate?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 08: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: kalibr
                  And that there are only two ways - to the workers and to agitate?

                  There are many paths. I am for the fact that all estates, without exception, respect each other. I want a lot? If this does not happen, then there will be a civil war due to contradictions and inability to find compromises. Do you want that?
                  1. kalibr
                    5 January 2021 08: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    I am for the fact that all estates, without exception, respect each other. I want a lot?

                    We want one thing with you. But to know that people are different and why is that lack of respect? I have a working son-in-law, my daughter is a candidate of sciences and they live very well and I have something to talk about with him.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 08: 53
                      +2
                      Quote: kalibr
                      We want one thing with you. But to know that people are different and why is that lack of respect? I have a working son-in-law

                      And what does he do?
                      Quote: kalibr
                      I have something to talk about with him.

                      Do we not communicate with you?
                    2. kalibr
                      5 January 2021 09: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      And what does he do?

                      He is the driver and operator of a 56 tonne Bauer crane. Works in construction.
                    3. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 5 January 2021 10: 15
                      +2
                      Vyacheslav Olegovich, do you confuse the carrying capacity with the curb weight for an hour?
                    4. kalibr
                      5 January 2021 10: 16
                      +2
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Do you confuse the carrying capacity with the curb weight for an hour?

                      Anton, I don't know anything about this. I just heard about 56 tons from him. Sat in the cockpit ... This is something! And so how many exactly, I do not know.
                    5. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 5 January 2021 10: 26
                      +2
                      I understood, most likely the carrying capacity. Crane owned?
                    6. kalibr
                      7 January 2021 07: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Crane owned?

                      No! But almost ... Nobody except him can and has no right to work on it-ha-ha. The rules are very strict and they are checked all the time.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 22: 14
    +5
    Quote: kalibr
    Exactly! There were many and he was gone.

    Yes, the horrors of the 90s are on the conscience of the shpakovskys. The only trouble is that they have no conscience.
    1. kalibr
      5 January 2021 08: 39
      +1
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Yes, the horrors of the 90s are on the conscience of the shpakovskys. The only trouble is that they have no conscience.

      When you write, then get drunk before that. How many to repeat that in the USSR I had everything I needed, and a well-paid job, and prospects, and a special clinic, where people like you were not allowed, and ... a lot of things. And to cut the branch on which you are sitting could only be a round one .... And the party did not pay for beautiful eyes, but for high-quality work and checked-oh-oh. You would like to find someone to blame specifically, but it is unwise. By the way, who do you work for there, lead the wires, who do you pay for housing and communal services? That is, "you work for the regime." And this is the main point. And the rest "the regime does not care." "Proles and animals are free!" J. Orwell.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 09: 41
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        And the party did not pay for beautiful eyes, but for high-quality work and checked-oh-oh.

        What quality is it if the USSR ordered to live long? Or did the party only check you, and the rest - not really? I am now reading the hero of Russia, A. Zaripov. The work is called Partai-genosse. There one party leader promised to take away all the water from his special forces fighters personally for himself. The soldiers stood before him with weapons in their hands.
        Protect your shared water. For they were in the Registan desert, one container was pierced, all the water ran out, they ran out of solarium, and the ensign, who was crazy from the heat, promised to shoot the second container with water so that no one would get it. Meanwhile, before that, this political instructor-major every day washed himself with shared water, spending 4 and a half liters for himself, his beloved, when all the others drank from the caps of the flasks and washed themselves with sand. Here I read your comments about your privileges, and for some reason they remind me of this very partaigenosse. Are you special? Special polyclinic, ha-ha. By the way, upon returning to the base in Loshkarevka, this major political instructor also received the order. Like he destroyed a bunch of spirits, and commanded a platoon instead of a shell-shocked platoon. The platoon commander's jaw dropped out of surprise when the major political instructor was awarded.
        1. kalibr
          5 January 2021 09: 52
          -1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          What quality is it if the USSR ordered to live long?

          Vladimir! Well, don’t you understand, low-quality work can be of high quality. They did what they ordered with quality. And it fell apart ... then they ordered the wrong thing. Got it? So talk to you after that. You don't understand elementary things ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 10: 03
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            They did what they ordered with quality.

            Were you told to go to the special polyclinic where the others were not allowed? Didn't get it. In the same place, one special forces soldier cited his uncle, a communist, as an example, who with every paycheck went to an orphanage with gifts. And the same Zaripov cited as an example his teacher - a communist, who, in his opinion, paid huge contributions. Was it this money that your high-paying salary consisted of?
            1. kalibr
              5 January 2021 10: 20
              -1
              So it was necessary to give up what was supposed to be, so in your opinion? Don't make people laugh. Nobody in the USSR did that. People always try to follow the path of least resistance. That's why they are people. This is logical and energetically justified. Whoever does otherwise, twist his finger at his temple.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 10: 41
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                So it was necessary to give up what was supposed to be, so in your opinion? Don't make people laugh. Nobody in the USSR did that.

                My communist colleague refused an apartment - a kopeck piece with an improved layout, despite the fact that he and his family lived with his mother. In a panel two-room apartment. So don't ....
                Quote: kalibr
                Nobody in the USSR did that.

                Quote: kalibr
                And from this money they paid for a holiday home for the peasant Duna.

                What do you have against the peasants?
              2. kalibr
                5 January 2021 12: 53
                -2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                My communist colleague refused an apartment - a kopeck piece with an improved layout, despite the fact that he and his family lived with his mother. In a panel two-room apartment. So don't ....

                Well, stupid! They ... they always have been and will be. You can also give me Korchagin in holey boots as an example. Could this be? Could .. But there were more commissioners in the skin, however. And I have nothing against the peasants, except that historically they are doomed to disappear. This is a dying social institution.
              3. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 5 January 2021 20: 57
                +2
                Vladimir, there is no need to talk about obvious things with the author. He, in his autobiographical works on VO, already wrote about what stupid and stupid collective farmers he met while working in a village school for distribution, but his mother (lecturer of the district committee) instilled hatred for hard workers.
              4. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 6 January 2021 12: 01
                +2
                Quote: Aviator_
                Vladimir, there is no need to talk about obvious things with the author. He, in his autobiographical works on VO, already wrote about what stupid and stupid collective farmers he met while working in a village school for distribution, but his mother (lecturer of the district committee) instilled hatred for hard workers.

                Good morning Sergey! Yes, I remember about various negative traits described by the author. I doubt it. However, he sold needles to them! (What he wrote) Profited, then. And I think he instilled hatred for hard workers. Here and there there are phrases saying that he was afraid, trembled, downright ...
              5. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 6 January 2021 14: 19
                +1
                Hi Dmitry. I have not seen the epic of the needle trade in the village. I remember that the aforementioned figure was happy when his grandmother sold the apple harvest at the market - such small joys of childhood.
              6. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 6 January 2021 17: 41
                0
                It's interesting that we remember different things. Readable on the diagonal.?
                Quote: Aviator_
                Hi Dmitry. I have not seen the epic of the needle trade in the village. I remember that the aforementioned figure was happy when his grandmother sold the apple harvest at the market - such small joys of childhood.

                laughing lol I remember about granny that they ate straight from the pan together at night, and then wondered that everything was spoiled, turned sour
                And from school, biology it is known that bacteria, fungi, protozoa with saliva from the mouth, getting into a favorable environment, start fermentation (or fermentation, or decay) And then worms and maggots could ......... Or maybe they were? Didn't write ?? Modest?
              7. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 6 January 2021 17: 48
                +1
                And then the worms and maggots could .........

                Well, we shouldn't omit the professional Marxist-Leninist completely. Maggots are the larvae of flies, and the worms develop from their larvae, I think that the saucepan with sour food was eaten faster than all this was removed. I read uninteresting notes, especially those that smelled foul, read diagonally.
              8. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 6 January 2021 19: 38
                +1
                ...... eaten faster than all this was removed ........

                Worms and maggots, yes, but some amoebas, flagellates, ciliates, rotifers --- easily, they are small, and their life cycle is shorter. And the fruit fly is hatched within no more than 3, and maybe 2 days! When I changed the water for aquarium snails to non-standing, the ciliates Savoy and the crustaceans Cyclops developed there for 2 ~~ 3 days! And the snails - the coils and the pond snails in general were purple because the water was not settled, as they got used to it, they immediately began to lay off eggs ... Golden childhood!
              9. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 6 January 2021 20: 04
                +1
                amoebae, flagellates, ciliates, rotifers

                Did you observe it through a microscope? Interesting! Would you go to biology, or was it bad luck with the school?
              10. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 6 January 2021 21: 33
                +1
                I didn’t even imagine it ... I had a lot of interests, including geology, and dreamed about space and the sea ... request recourse what has grown has grown ...
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 January 2021 11: 50
    +3
    ... My communist colleague refused a kopeck piece. .......
    Greetings, Vladimir! My grandfather, a communist, taught the HISTORY of the CPSU at the Academy. Living in a 12m room, with two children, he gave up a 4-room "Khrushchev" apartment, though not for good, but what a family that lived with a child in a hostel would get. And they just had twins. They immediately drove into the new one. And my relatives lived in a small room for another year and a half.
  • kalibr
    5 January 2021 10: 22
    +2
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Wasn't this money your high-paid salary?

    And how much did they pay me extra? And from this money they paid for a holiday home for the peasant Duna. Before that, you didn't think of the word at all, did you?
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    And sawing a branch on which you are sitting could only be round ....

    And your godfather hump he is round ... who? He also had everything.
    1. kalibr
      5 January 2021 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      And your godfather hump

      My? He is the same and yours, you also rocked him and others like him ...
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 19
    +1
    So who are the labels (and even accusations of the collapse of the SSR belay ) hangs up? wassat laughing laughing laughing Maybe Shpakovsky unleashed WW2 ... my uncle agreed ...
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 11: 29
      0
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      So who are the labels (and even accusations of the collapse of the SSR belay ) hangs up? wassat laughing laughing laughing Maybe Shpakovsky unleashed WW2 ... my uncle agreed ...

      Aunt, do you know how to read? Where did I blame Shpakovsky for the collapse of the USSR? I blamed the Shpakovskys, people with his ideology, conscience, intellect, contemptuous attitude towards their people, the Motherland-USSR. And what label did I put specifically on Mr. Shpakovsky?
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 4 January 2021 19: 11
    +6
    Uncle ... I've given my answer to Vyacheslav below. About energy costs. I will not repeat myself. Interesting - read it. And, for my current 47 years, I have tried a lot of things in this life and worked a lot of places - and painted, and scrubbed, and unloaded cement, and stayed as a fireman, and dragged sacks of fish on my back with a carbine around my neck along the hills in the taiga, poured larch in the same place, pulled out on the hump with his comrades and then put it into log cabins, worked with rigging on old dry cargo ships, worked with mooring lines and much more! For weeks he dangled in storms on old, rusty vessels, living in "torn regimes". Then, 10 years in interior design and architectural design. And I declare with full responsibility - your "extracts from statistics" can be crumpled up and thrown away. Carrying bags is much easier than working with your head. And I was carrying not only bags. But when you sit on a project, you need to take everything into account, the brain starts flowing out of your ears from the figures ... and the customer starts getting involved in the process ... aha! "a cup of coffee will help" ... will help you stay asleep even longer at best. Write a more or less literate article! Themselves, for a test, publish, and that literate people would not shower you with cocoa. Create and implement .. well, let's say apartment renovation - from the project, estimates and calculations with high-quality visuals to turnkey delivery to the customer. Well ... "It's not a job! It's bullshit! Anyone can spank the keyboard."
    And yes ... the "intelligentsia" you mentioned, and for which a "cup of coffee" is enough, are parasites that do not create anything and do not work. About which Ilyich wrote - "this is not the brain of the nation! This is the nation" (c)
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 21: 42
      +3
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      Create and bring to life .. well, let's say apartment renovation - from the project, estimates and calculations with high-quality visuals to turnkey delivery to the customer.

      Easy. For I am repairing my apartment myself. Starting from the insertion of new wiring and ending with the installation of the mixer, from laying linoleum to the false ceiling. From wallpapering to tiling. For example, a kitchen with an area of ​​7,5 square meters cost me 15 thousand rubles and a month of work six years ago. And I just don't need such "specialists" as you.
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 32
        +1
        and what are you all about yourself?))) The world does not revolve around you personally))) Hospodi .. like adults, but thinking like schoolchildren still. You don't need, other people need. And maybe you will design a high-rise building too? I took part directly, and put into operation a residential building in Vladivostok. Specifically - street "Fourth 6b". For proof so to speak. And what a lot more for the last 15 years.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          And maybe you will design a high-rise building too?

          Previously, I could, because I studied in construction. Just forgot all the formulas already. Although I expected to be excellent when I studied. If necessary, then I will remember, it is enough to study a couple of textbooks. For in the 90s, they almost did not build, and I got a job as a car mechanic.
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          I took part directly, and put into operation a residential building in Vladivostok.

          So what?
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          And what a lot more for the last 15 years.

          So what? I work with my hands, not with a pencil. You think too highly of yourself. Could you have renovated a kitchen for 15 thousand six years ago? Including new wiring and all that? I doubt it. Probably, for one of your calculations, you lift horse price tags. By the way, why did they stop carrying cement, if it's easier? Just a week ago, I finished building a fence in one organization. And I dare to assure that it is much easier to deal with numbers, if not a complete idiot, of course.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 13: 04
          +4
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          And maybe you will design a high-rise building too?

          Why are you so, namesake? You, too, will not replace the stools with your own hands, or all the carpentry in your apartment with one made by yourself.
          You are designing a high-rise building - well done. But from this you, excuse me, did not become the navel of the earth. Like me, like Mordvin, with all our skill. But I have more respect for Mordvin, because he does everything by himself. You understand what business, if a person undertakes to do something that he has not done before, then he has his head on his shoulders, is not afraid to make mistakes in the process of making and correct them. In the end, he achieves a good result with practical value. Because a skill is also a value. What valuable, new, did you learn from Shpakovsky's article on this page? What did she give you in the sense of knowing not yet known? What is the value of this article? After all, anyone who read this article received nothing. Nothing new, interesting, what discoveries did the readers get for themselves? Boring girls.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 21: 58
      0
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      And yes ... the "intelligentsia" you mentioned, and for which a "cup of coffee" is enough, are parasites that do not create anything and do not work.

      Are you talking about yourself, your beloved?
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 35
        +2
        Well, then, according to your logic, those who developed the phone that you have in your pocket, the car you drive, the computer on which you are now scribbling stinging comments, on this and not only site, Windows, from under which all this works ... and so on and so on and so forth. All this was developed by people like me - in your understanding, "parasites and bums" laughing
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 12: 02
          0
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          All this was developed by people like me - in your understanding, "parasites and bums"

          Oh you, a developer ... I also developed a lot of things, my boss hung all non-standard questions on me. So do not flatter yourself that you are the only one so smart.
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 12: 07
            +1
            And ... what is the reason for the resentment towards the whole world?)))) More precisely, on those who at the moment do not carry bags? )))
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 12: 12
              0
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              And ... what is the reason for the resentment towards the whole world?)))) More precisely, on those who at the moment do not carry bags? )))

              Yes, there are no offenses ... I'm just trying to prove to you that you have an overestimated self-importance.
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      I have tried a lot of things and worked a lot of places - and painted, and scraped, and unloaded cement, and stayed as a fireman, and dragged sacks of fish with a carbine around the neck along the hills in the taiga, felled larch in the same place, pulled out

      Aunt, to whom are you telling all this? To a man born in the taiga? I also tried a lot of things, only on the job. And he built the house himself, according to his plan, and a two-story workshop, and made machines with his own hands, all 6 pieces. do it yourself according to your drawings. Only the turner did the turning work, and then according to my drawings. And he dug a well, and a Russian stove, and not a Russian one in one block he put together. Who are you and what do you want to surprise? All this can be done by tens of thousands of men.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 23: 54
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        All this can be done by tens of thousands of men.

        Exactly. Something he threw cement to carry. I'm tired, I guess. Now he fiddles with figures, calculates estimates. I personally don't need any estimates. I need to buy something for repair, go to the store and buy. And I think it will turn out cheaper than this guy will calculate my estimate. Several times.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 00: 22
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I need to buy something for repair, go to the store and buy. And I think it will turn out cheaper than this guy will calculate my estimate. Several times.

          And I didn't make an estimate. I calculated the amount of this or that material. And very carefully, so that there is enough, and there is no superfluous left for it will not be needed anymore.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 00: 39
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            And I didn't make an estimate. I calculated the amount of this or that material. And very carefully, so that there is enough, and there is no superfluous left for it will not be needed anymore.

            I take a little with a margin. And then I know one mistress. She takes it back to back. And sometimes, say, one ceiling tile is not enough, she gets into the car and again goes to Moscow because of one penny tile. Her workers are constantly scolded because of this, and she is like peas against the wall. But for some reason, I get it right. I got used to counting, everyone is surprised. There are almost no scraps left.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 00: 47
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              peas. But for some reason, I get it right. I got used to counting, everyone is surprised. There are almost no scraps left.

              I'm not surprised, this is normal. good
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 00: 53
                0
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                I'm not surprised, this is normal.

                Naturally. And the type that wrote above has brains dripping from his ears from the digits. Miracle. laughing
                1. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 12: 25
                  0
                  Well, since we switched to the expressions "like that type ..." - if you please - I repeat) You are both ordinary whiners in life. Losers. Stupidly angry at those who are not like you ... well, for the sake of the Almighty. Successful bag handling. Once they are not capable of more. there's nothing you can do about it fellow "God is God, Caesar - Caesar's, and locksmith - locksmiths." I didn’t want to talk, I tried in every possible way to reason with it, but as I expected it was useless. God knows I tried!)))))
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 12: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Region-25.rus
                    I didn’t want to speak, I tried in every possible way to reason, but as expected - it was useless. God knows I tried!)))))

                    Interesting movie. Let me give you an example with my brother. He is the owner of two medium-sized firms and is not the poorest man in Russia. Builds a house, and does not disdain to carry cement. As well as knit fittings, or pull the insulation. There are just people who like to do everything with their own hands, but there are just opposite ones, like you. How many jobs have you changed there? About such people in the USSR they said: "Flyer is the enemy of production!"
                    Quote: Region-25.rus
                    You are both common whiners in life. Losers. Stupidly angry at those who are not like you ... well, for the sake of the Almighty.

                    God knows, I also honestly tried to explain to you what you are wrong about. Personally, I prefer not to buy things that I can do myself. And not pay for the services of mercenaries if I can do without them.
          2. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 12: 18
            +1
            uncle, please do not confuse thick with liquid - doing for yourself this one thing. For an unfamiliar uncle with an aunt, and even children - another! Guess the wishes of strangers, listen to how they argue among themselves until they are hoarse, explain the wallpaper at once and to each separately that they are both wrong, or take sides, it will stop a hundred times to redraw what is already ready, to prove to the deer that they are deer and about their momentary wishes later they will regret and accuse me, calculate everything, paint it, draw it out, but not for themselves, but for some unknown builder! Because the customer will hire the cheapest, then there will be such a situation - the brigadier is Armenian, Russian knows so-so,. hard workers or Chinese or Vietnamese. In Russian, nothing at all. To make sure that something is not confused during the remot, that everything is done according to the project, that they do not cheat and so on and so forth and so on. And this is not for myself I repeat. And not one renovation project in 20 years. And if two projects in parallel .........
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 13: 31
              +1
              Again twenty-five. I will repeat once again that I do not need your services, because communicating with myself is problematic. And therefore, I am calm about the quality of my repair, and if there are any imperfections, then this is entirely my problem. And I will not blame anyone but myself.

        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 00: 31
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Exactly. Something he threw cement to carry.

          So I didn’t observe that a “knowledge worker” went to work, where it’s easy, you don’t need to think, only to dream and earn more. Probably out of love for hard mental work. But from many of the workers I know who fled to the "knowledge workers". Probably they also liked it to work harder.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 00: 59
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Probably they also liked it to work harder.

            Yeah. I carry the cement myself, but it's already a bit hard. Not twenty years after all. The same age as this bookkeeper.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 11: 16
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I carry the cement myself, but it's already a bit hard.

              Because it’s very hard work. Day after day the same thing. It is difficult not only physically, but also psychologically. Monotonous work is no less tiring than physical work. Well, our hackers can't understand this - they haven't tried it, but they are judging ...
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 12: 01
                -1
                I wrote yesterday that I "tried" laughing but .... apparently everything flew by! Well, okay, you are not the first narrow-minded person whom I have met in life. And ... don't whine here. That's really sick of it! Who is to blame that you are still pulling bags ?????? Yes, the current regime in Russia is to blame. BUT (!) What are you personally to blame for those who do not carry bags, but have found the best use for themselves? And I'll tell you - nothing! It's just that you personally haven't found the same better use for yourself! Speaking of the "red terror" - what does Shpakovsky have to do with it? winked But people like you, after the October events of the famous year, showed themselves to the fullest. Surely they undressed in the doorways those who are at least a little better dressed than you, or their friends who were able to achieve something thanks to their abilities. How - "rob the loot!" .... All your posts talk about this .... there is direct resentment towards anyone who does not "carry bags" like you personally.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 13: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  BUT (!) What are you personally to blame for those who do not carry bags, but have found the best use for themselves? And I'll tell you - nothing! It's just that you personally haven't found the same better use for yourself! Speaking of red

                  Namesake, I'm sorry, but you completely misunderstood me and Mordvin.
                  I am not outraged that writers, doctors, artists, teachers, etc. do not "carry bags, but have found the best use for themselves"
                  "All professions are needed, all professions are important"
                  Once again, for those who are especially gifted with intelligence, I repeat - I was jarred in a completely empty article that the author hints that his work is very hard. All!!! Everyone, Karl, everyone! I cited an excerpt from a scientific article, NOT MYSELF (!!!) about how much energy people of different professions consume. Everything, Karl, everything !!!
                  And then it started ...
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 18: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  Who is to blame that you are still pulling bags ??????

                  Yes, I'm just currently engaged in construction.
        3. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 12: 08
          0
          tens of thousands can ... and the same tens of thousands cannot ... here's a trick)
      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 45
        +2
        I tell this to the fact that I have something to compare with. Namely, physical work of a different plan, and brain work! If it still has not reached (for dozens of posts), then I say directly, but ..... I feel it is pointless. For there is an opinion that you, your like-minded people are simply crushed by a toad, namely, "we work hard here (with all my respect) and get little (probably this is so)! that they cut the money, and even well-known in narrow circles of the person! Well, excuse me! Questions to the current government. And YES! In my fifth ten I found (or rather I was noticed) a decent job (even for my uncle). I participate directly in the production of content for world-famous game projects (now - "aha! I say-and-and-ooze !! I also have a job - to cut 3D content for games! Fi!" not necessary!" wink ) And on weekends, or after the main work, I help the guys from one Design Bureau to promote projects of civil ships! Yes, I went to this for at least 15 years ... taiga You are our aborigine! And once again I will remind you - talk about how much energy is spent on physical and mental work? "And, I would also add to the topic of the dispute -" the exhaust from physical and intellectual work in a global sense! ")))
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 12: 19
          0
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          I tell this to the fact that I have something to compare with.

          Yeah, and I'm comparing, picking my nose.
    4. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 5 January 2021 11: 08
      +2
      Hello, colleague!
      It became interesting, but are you making working drawings and specifications?
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 12: 04
        +2
        Hello! If you tell me then yes. There was a case. When the designer was working at ArchiCad. But there are only drawings, diagrams, plans and other badyagu. Visuals in 3dsMAX + V-Ray. When I was called to design, I switched to Revit. That's where the specifications were nice to deduce! And in general the software is notable. Though "heavy" pancake. You load a high-rise building, only AR and .... starts to slow down. But ... it's been six years since I changed my field of activity. I work in the gambling sphere. And I confess honestly - in the design it was simpler))) Of course, there were some troubles, but there are much more nuances, oddly enough.
      2. Fat
        Fat 5 January 2021 12: 19
        +2
        hi Oh, leave it, Anton, you also ask about heat engineering and strength calculations, this is too much laughing Everything "by eye" in accordance with the acquired skill ...
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 5 January 2021 13: 42
          +1
          Why, Andrei? For 25 years in the profession, I have worked with dozens of architects and I wonder what a person can do professionally.
          1. Fat
            Fat 5 January 2021 14: 23
            +3
            Yes, I understood everything correctly. When a person becomes a real professional, some things become an ordinary routine, not worthy of special attention, he simply forgets what he started with. Linking a generic project is one thing. You are already "sweating like a student on an exam" on the project of a unique building - this is real work. Here it is, IMHO, - a real thrill. You don't have to pay humanly - you just wiped your trousers, ate coffee and rejoiced ... Some bad people used smile
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 5 January 2021 14: 26
              +4
              When a person becomes a real professional, some things become an ordinary routine, not worth special attention,
              I agree with this 100% !!!
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 5 January 2021 19: 18
                +2
                A combination of craft and craftsmanship.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 18: 23
            +2
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Why, Andrei? For 25 years in the profession, I have worked with dozens of architects and I wonder what a person can do professionally.

            Personally, I studied for 3,5 years as a builder. And this one got into the builders from some kind of a bay-flounder. I doubt he knows how to calculate loads. Even for compression, even for stretching, even for a break. You may ask, does he even know how to read drawings? Do radio operators teach this? Well, exactly. He was engaged in the AR section. That is, the exterior of the building. And internal. Painter.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 5 January 2021 18: 49
              +1
              I didn't study, life made me. What to me, what to you, what to him, what to Cord ... 47 years old. Different people have different destinies.
        2. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 15: 36
          +3
          I was engaged in the AR section. Smarter guys with appropriate education were engaged in calculations. My responsibility was the assembly of the project, during the design - some solutions for the ergonomics of spaces (I had experience of participating in the design of residential houses such as cottages), and, in addition, high-quality visualization of interiors or exteriors. Subordinated directly to the GAP. And my education is secondary technical. Namely, "Operation of ship radio communication facilities, and electro-radio navigation. And then another" GMDSS systems engineer ".
          In design 2005-2013, in design 2013-2015. To this day I work in game development. Somehow it happened)
          1. Fat
            Fat 5 January 2021 15: 56
            +1
            Vladimir, it doesn't matter that you have no specialized education. You have learned to learn - this is more important. And when a person finds a job that he likes, he does the job with all his heart - and quickly becomes a real doc in his business. yes Is not it so?
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 4 January 2021 19: 42
    +4
    The fourth group covers people with the most severe physical. labor, spending 4500-5000 kcal per day.

    The flight food rate should provide 5000 kcal
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 21: 25
      +2
      Quote: Aviator_
      The flight food rate should provide 5000 kcal

      Forgive me for not writing about pilots, especially military ones. As well as about submariners, etc., etc., etc.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 4 January 2021 21: 47
        +4
        Come on, this norm was established in the 30s, when half of the aircraft had open cockpits. At present, this norm makes a pilot (if he does not play sports) into a very well-fed Carlson by the age of 40. But you can't reduce it - no, no, but extreme situations happen.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 22: 33
          0
          Quote: Aviator_
          Come on, this norm was established in the 30s,

          Not the point. The fact that the pilot spends a lot of energy during the flight is indisputable. How much energy does the surgeon spend standing near the operating table for 6 hours?
          But neither pilots nor surgeons use that amount of energy every day.
          Therefore, in the article, an excerpt from which I gave, it was about those who daily spent such an amount of energy.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 4 January 2021 22: 45
            +4
            Quite right, it's not every day. And today's GA pilot is generally relaxed, since he is often untrained to pilot manually (the RRJ crash at Sheremetyevo in 2018, the crash of a Saratov Airlines plane a couple of years earlier in Zhukovsky). Airlines save money on training. Capitalism, profit is everything!
  • BAI
    BAI 4 January 2021 19: 36
    +4
    Plans for 2021.

    If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans for tomorrow.
    1. kalibr
      4 January 2021 21: 29
      0
      Quote: BAI
      If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans for tomorrow.

      Then God kept laughing as he read our five-year plans ...
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 January 2021 22: 06
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        Then God kept laughing as he read our five year plans

        The Lord chuckles quietly when teachers' children grow up not at all the way their parents wanted them to be. Especially if the parents taught Marxism-Leninism, read the History of the CPSU ... laughing
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 22: 41
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Then God kept laughing as he read our five-year plans ...

        Well, I don't know, maybe he was laughing at you?
        Back in December, we were given a plan for the next year. And there was no case that we did not fulfill it. And not in general for a year, but for months. Yes, it happened that the product of the current month was handed over to the customer's representative in the first days of the next. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, but not later. For objective reasons - a failure in the supply of materials.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 4 January 2021 19: 52
    +5
    Great. Plan and social commitment in one bottle.

    You can learn. And to plan something.

    Or you can go from the nearest bump to the next.

    Probably the combination "planning horizon" means something.

    Only the beginning of The Sea Wolf is persistently recalled. Life can make any adjustments.

    I wish you health and efficiency!
    1. kalibr
      4 January 2021 21: 26
      +2
      Quote: Korsar4
      I wish you health and efficiency!

      Good wish, thank you! After all, it is also very interesting - to write for others, you learn so much yourself.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 4 January 2021 21: 32
        +3
        I don't know how to divide. Porthos said universally: "I fight because I fight."
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 4 January 2021 22: 53
      +1
      Quote: Korsar4
      Great. Plan and social commitment in one bottle.

      I can hear the irony in these words. If not, then pardon me. And if - yes, then in vain you are ironic. In practice, it was like this - I am offered to do one more product per year. According to the plan - 72 products, and the customer asks for 73. I ask the question - will I be provided with materials and components? I get a positive answer. I consult with the team. All agree. All. We take increased social obligations. What for? So this is an additional earning. When do we do the work? So we grab it until 7-8 pm, plus Saturday. What do you think? This is the main thing for the workers of "mental labor" to shout, but not for us. Our customer has also adjusted his plan. This is the responsibility.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 4 January 2021 23: 29
        +4
        The irony was. But everything has two sides. Here is an irony with an element of admiration.

        With regard to work. It is important to fulfill it.
        At least dig up a field, at least chop wood, at least write an article.

        And “Monday to Saturday” doesn't just start like that.

        And yet, for example, materials for the tears of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were a very thoughtful document in various fields.

        So don't judge strictly.
        A joke, maybe. The main thing is that there is no anger.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 00: 17
          -1
          Quote: Korsar4
          The irony was. But everything has two sides. Here is an irony with an element of admiration.

          Yes, there are no limits to my admiration for the work of the State Planning Committee. This is not a speck of articles.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 January 2021 07: 05
            +1
            All people are needed. For example, we gathered here when discussing the article.
        2. Fat
          Fat 5 January 2021 12: 33
          +2
          Quote: Korsar4
          With regard to work. It is important to fulfill it.
          At least dig up a field, at least chop wood, at least write an article.

          Greetings, Sergey. "What's the point of talking about the future? They don't talk about the future, they make the future. Here is a glass of brandy. It's full. I'll make it empty. That's it. One smart man said that the future cannot be foreseen, but it can be invented."
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 5 January 2021 13: 09
            +2
            Greetings, Andrew!

            “After all, even Einstein, a physical genius
            I understood everything relatively "(c).
  • Ajevgenij
    Ajevgenij 4 January 2021 20: 59
    +4
    It's great to read about anticipated plans. I especially liked the photos of the archive shelves.
    1. kalibr
      4 January 2021 21: 27
      +1
      Quote: Ajevgenij
      I especially liked the photos of the archive shelves.

      I filmed right before the "virus", now you can't really work there!
      1. depressant
        depressant 4 January 2021 23: 12
        +4
        Hmmm ...
        If you want to make fun - no, not God, but a VO visitor, tell him about your plans wassat ))))
        So, Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you get the first number? laughing
        1. kalibr
          5 January 2021 08: 20
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          So, Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you get the first number?

          It's not me, but the site received 4 views and 150 comments. The bird pecks by the grain, but it is full.
          1. depressant
            depressant 5 January 2021 09: 12
            +8
            In fact, it is difficult to write an article. Highly. This is not fiction where imagination blows the sails. An article is facts. You can type them, for example, on the topic "Raising the livestock of fur-bearing penguins in the conditions of the southern coast of Africa." Half of the facts without references to the source means they are discarded, the other half with references, but reference sources are without references to scientific works and so on. Broken trough. There is an opinion that penguins can be raised for fluff, and even everyone is sure that they are raised, but there are no reliable facts. The article is impossible. Based on the opinion, only a comment is possible: "Author, you are lying! They are not grown this way!"
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 49
              +4
              and most importantly, when writing, it will convulse the thought - "have I taken everything into account? have I compared everything correctly?" and most importantly - "will I not mislead the readers!
              1. kalibr
                5 January 2021 13: 36
                +2
                Vladimir! And there is one more crap. After all, words are just words. But what about illustrations? Without them, many articles are simply impossible. So we need to look for them. You find it. And she has an owner. So you need to contact him and ask permission. And he doesn't answer. Busy. Or he died ... Or he doesn't like Russians. We must look for another illustration, another owner, write to him and ask him ... And this happens very often. And this is very tiring. It is even worse to go to museums. 50% don't answer. The rest answer, but they ask you to fill out the forms, write the title of the article, the website, the time of the planned release ... Then you send it, "there" they put a seal and signature and send it to you ... Sometimes you do not write all day, but stupidly send "telegrams ".
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 5 January 2021 13: 10
              +2
              You can't write such an article without experiment. And statistical processing is needed.
            3. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 13: 27
              0
              Quote: depressant
              In fact, it is difficult to write an article.

              Undoubtedly! Especially about what you don't know!
              Want to write about fur ( laughing) penguins? Explore their lives and go! And it will be just as easy for you to write about penguins as it is to write a short article about two ways to solve a biquadratic equation. And we bow down to your feet for interesting information. And if you write about penguins, whom you know only from pictures and the opinions of other people about them, then this, you know, is somehow not comme il faut. And it will be really difficult for you to write.
              1. depressant
                depressant 5 January 2021 15: 28
                +2
                Colleague Krasnoyarsk, it takes a lifetime to become a respected "pigvinologist" in scientific circles. And no matter how many facts I collect and document, they will not be enough for an article by another author. I can write on the trail of my research a lot of popular articles, the author-popularizer of this scientific direction - no, because they will say to him: "Yes, this is a bad and incomplete retelling of the articles of such and such a penguinologist! Shame on you, the author! Yes, this is an article from Zen! This is plagiarism! "
                What will be the disadvantage of my own articles as a professional "penguinologist"? In one-sidedness. In just one point of view, which deprives the problem of true development.
                Therefore, another author, as a popularizer of the scientific direction, should present in his article not only my achievements, but also the achievements of other "penguinologists" who quite likely did not popularize their research - for laziness, or the literary language is not suspended. This means that the author-popularizer needs to study their scientific works in order to clash the opinions of mine and other researchers in his own article. Such work really requires serious competencies, the development of which is already a lot of work. Therefore, popularizing authors usually have specialized education, often scientific degrees, and constantly monitor new research in this area. That is, they are deeply in the subject.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 15: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: depressant
                  Therefore, popularizing authors usually have specialized education, often scientific degrees, and constantly monitor new research in this area. That is, they are deeply in the subject.

                  In-on-from exactly! What do we read with you? And how does this reading help us in our intellectual development? And we don't just read, but also admire. Ugh.
                2. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 15: 57
                  0
                  Quote: depressant
                  Colleague Krasnoyarsk, it takes a lifetime to become a respected "pigvinologist" in scientific circles.

                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, how else? I devoted 43 years of my life to my occupation. And I have no regrets.
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 5 January 2021 21: 15
                    +3
                    Colleague, someone minus you. I wonder why?
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 23: 13
                      0
                      Quote: depressant
                      Colleague, someone minus you. I wonder why?

                      Probably has a different opinion on the study of the Cause you serve
                3. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 5 January 2021 21: 11
                  +4
                  Therefore, popularizing authors usually have specialized education, often scientific degrees, and constantly monitor new research in this area. That is, they are deeply in the subject.

                  More precisely - should be in the subject. But in reality this does not always happen, not even in popular articles, but in special scientific works, and even in textbooks. Landavshits helped you a lot in theoretical physics?
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 5 January 2021 21: 20
                    +3
                    Certainly. Landau helped and Lifshitz strained himself))) Otherwise, I would not have understood anything from the physics of semiconductors, a huge course, by the way)))
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 5 January 2021 21: 34
                      +3
                      Happy for you. Well, I had to use other authors, because I did not overcome these because of the disgusting manner of presenting the material. The same Davydov and Worth with Thomson, for example. Well, I found mistakes even with R. Feynman (v. 5), but still he writes very well, although not according to our program.
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 5 January 2021 22: 09
                        +3
                        Feynman is a really good writer. But as for theoretical physics, it was presented to us in lectures in such a way that it was enough just to check with some volume from a ten-volume book, whether the professor had lied))) But solid state physics, "half-wire" - there were no textbooks, only the development of the institute's own authors, "manuals" that could not be taken out of the laboratory or library. Much was read "on wheels", from translated literature (I suspect that the institute employees themselves translated), or the lectures were based on their own discoveries, directly from the laboratories - this is such a science! After graduation, it was necessary to continuously improve their qualifications, otherwise - lagging behind. Now, of course, I am no longer a specialist, technology and theory have gone far ahead, everything remains in my past life, and I don’t even want to remember what happened ...
                        As for history, I am not only not an expert, but even an ignoramus; therefore, with great curiosity I swallow the articles of Shpakovsky and Samsonov. Clinches between commentators are especially curious))
                        And I'm still waiting for an article about Arkaim. There, more than one such city has already been excavated - dozens!
                      2. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 5 January 2021 22: 34
                        +2
                        You are lucky with the terfiz. They read us badly. Later, when I edited the jubilee collection of memoirs at Phystech, I became convinced that many of our great scientists (P.L. Kapitsa, for example) were disgusting teachers, they did not know how to present material. This is not surprising - far from always the greatest athlete can be a coach, this is a completely different job. The comprehension of the material then (early 50s) was facilitated by the fact that the attitude to the teacher was simply religious, as to a priest with great knowledge. In my time (70s), the attitude towards lecturers was the same, overly respectful, and we read the main courses very well. I study the history with interest, write a little, mainly from my own memories and the memories of relatives, from whom I will not be able to clarify the details. Samsonov is very superficial, but quite suitable for the zero approximation. And Shpakovsky reminds me of a defrocked priest who is more infected with atheism than the coolest atheist (I'm talking about his KPSS past). As a professional historian, he is also not very strong, in particular, a couple of years ago there was his article about Cyprus with interesting photos, but he did not even briefly cover the history of the island, it seems, he was chasing the number of publications. By the way, what university did you graduate from?
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 5 January 2021 23: 16
                        +3
                        And I graduated from MIET with a degree in engineer-physicist-researcher. And so that the brains do not stagnate, now I am "researching" mathematics, number theory))) Here they taught us mathematics really ... let's say, bad. But why? It was only when I came close to the question that I discovered that there is such an element as intuitive understanding. Well, it is impossible to explain some things so that on the one hand it is brief, on the other hand it is correct, and on the third hand it is clear to the teapot. Therefore, many authors, not only textbooks and lectures, but also original works, emphasize that, they say, this is understandable. And if not, then the conclusion follows that the student has no intuitive understanding, which means that he does not have mathematical abilities.
                        Therefore, my work on the big theorem has now come down to the fact that, without blurring the idea, without spreading thought, nevertheless try to explain each step, answering the question "Why is this and not otherwise?" Every little step! Of course, when possible, reference is made. But the link sometimes requires additional explanations - why it is used and interpreted this way and not otherwise. I have proved the theorem long ago, and the explanation is hard labor. I still hear these puzzled questions "Why?!?" And it became clear why ancient philosophy and logic are taught in mathematics departments at universities. We were taught Marxist-Leninist
                        philosophy laughing
                        And it is understandable why many teachers, even at seminars, cannot explain the moments that cause misunderstanding among students. Teachers can't find the right words! Apparently, the wrong philosophy was studied, but I generally keep quiet about logic - only, you see, machine logic)))
                        From this point of view, I think it will be easier for historians.
                      4. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 6 January 2021 11: 37
                        +3
                        Got it, colleague. Your office is very solid, Zelenograd. And I graduated from the Faculty of Aeromechanics and Flight Engineering of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, for a number of reasons I have already changed my direction of work for the third time. If it were not for teaching general physics part-time, then I would not know many things. By the way, at serious teaching any philosophy, including Marxist-Leninist philosophy, you can find a lot of useful information there. Another thing is that no one got into these departments, exclusively for easy money. My son found me on the Internet a logic textbook for high school of the Stalinist time, very interesting. It is a pity that Khrushch Kukuruzny threw this item out of the program. If a teacher cannot explain something, then he is not ready to teach yet. Obvious things are the hardest to prove, I know from myself. In this regard, I was greatly helped by the program "Under the Sign of Pi", which was once hosted by Lev Nikolaev on TV. There he once talked about Galileo's principle of inertia, which forced me to go to Leninka and study Galileo's work, and now I give extracts from there to students. Some even understand. It is useless to tell the Lorentz transformations without Galileo transformations. Another thing is that for most of today's students, study is the continuation of a happy childhood that began in kindergarten. And "intuitive understanding" (in other words, I feel it in my gut) is just a step towards a solution (explanation), nothing more. You can't do without it, but you can't dwell on it. And there is an anecdote about how to tell an unprepared listener something. There, a lady asked Einstein to explain the theory of relativity to her. Albert agreed, but after joining. The introduction is - an explanation of what milk is. Milk is a liquid, as an example shown in a puddle after rain. But the liquid is white, for example, a bird like a swan is white. What is a bird - it flaps its wings (waved its arms), and what is a white one - showed with its hands the curved neck of a swan. Is it clear now what milk is? The lady prudently refused to explain the SRT.
                      5. depressant
                        depressant 6 January 2021 11: 42
                        +1
                        Colleague, thank you, I'm going to read Galileo's principle of inertia)))
                      6. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 6 January 2021 11: 47
                        +2
                        He is verbose, and in the form of a conversation between three friends - Sagredo (Galileo himself), Salviati (a strict critic) and Simplicio (Dr. Watson, who asks stupid questions). It will be interesting, I will send a piece of my course in general physics.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 January 2021 13: 09
    +4
    How many views and comments will please you, and how many not?
    1. depressant
      depressant 5 January 2021 21: 22
      +3
      The question is - to whom? belay )))
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 January 2021 22: 16
        +1
        Vyacheslav Olegovich. Checked it out. The arrow on his post shows.
        1. depressant
          depressant 5 January 2021 23: 20
          +3
          He is silent wassat Apparently, your arrow was mistaken for an arrow laughing
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 6 January 2021 03: 19
            +1
            Parthian?
            1. depressant
              depressant 6 January 2021 09: 03
              +2
              Yes, he did not consider, he deviated and ran away, otherwise you will start the next one - I suppose the quiver is full wassat )))
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 6 January 2021 09: 52
                +1
                What to do?

                "What has grown has grown" (c).
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 11: 47
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Probably they also liked it to work harder.

    Yeah. I carry the cement myself, but it's already a bit hard. Not twenty years after all. The same age as this bookkeeper.

    those. as expected, stupidly offended at those who found themselves in life and applied correctly! You would have given free rein, would have forced the whole world to carry bags, no matter what .. no one dared to jump above your person.
    1. depressant
      depressant 5 January 2021 14: 02
      +4
      Now imagine that the whole world is carrying sacks. This means that general target designation comes from someone. Consequently, there is an administration that, by definition, cannot deal with dragging and dropping bags, as it is busy tracking the process and organizing it. To be dragged everywhere and evenly.
      And then it turns out that in one region, sacks are dragged much less intensively than in neighboring ones. Since this is a mess, the administration, without becoming aware of the reasons for the lag, uses a whip. For a while, the process intensifies, then mortality among those carrying increases, the administration brings in labor from other regions, but this leads to the fact that in those regions from which they were brought in, the number of bags being moved due to a lack of labor decreases. There are many options for further development of events, but in any case the question "Why?"
      The administration cannot answer it, because if it knew, it would have organized the process of dragging the bags differently in advance. And then there is a need for ongoing research on drag conditions. From the "bagmen" single out clever people who begin to do this, draw conclusions. And so that the new generation of administrators does not lose the knowledge gained by analysts, scientific works are written and published that, due to their specificity, no one except the scientists themselves can read. Scientific journals appear, but they are difficult for both the administration and the "bagmen" to understand, who in turn also begin to ask questions such as "Why are we dying?!? How long? Who is to blame and what to do?" And then the popularizers of scientific opinions come and explain on their fingers what and how. And where there are two scholars, there are two opinions. And where there are two popularizers, there are also two opinions, moreover, opposite, and both are needed - let the "bagmen" choose the right one. And if they don't want to, then this is their problem, the "bagmen", let them not be offended later. And here among the administrators there are ideologues who want to seize the control panel, using the offended. Everything is natural)))
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 15: 49
        +2
        and what, mental work is necessarily a sly leader, administrator, and so on? M-mm-mm-hmm ...
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 15: 42
      0
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      Would you give free rein, make the whole world carry sacks,

      How primitive. In such a clever head another thought has not matured?
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 5 January 2021 15: 48
        +3
        I read this "how primitive" in your every (since so) post)))) And I see only one thought - "those who do not carry bags" (I am now conditionally) and are not engaged in physical labor, they are just idlers and idlers. And even if they earn (they earn and do not receive) more-ee-ee .. In general, they are unworthy to trample the earth! " bully And all because of what began?))) And due to the fact that the author of this and many other articles on VO and not only most likely dared !!! express !!!! the thought that ("Oh horror !!!!") mental work can be more expensive than physical !!! "
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 5 January 2021 16: 50
          +1
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          dare !!! express !!!! the thought that ("Oh horror !!!!") mental work can be more expensive than physical !!! "

          Such as yours cannot. It would be interesting to look at the statistics, if there were any, to collect information on the type of activity of those who lived to 90. And many of them will be people who were engaged in "light" physical labor?
          I have never argued that mental work is easy. In addition, responsibility is also imposed on this type of activity, and this further increases the load on the nervous system. In your understanding, a manual worker is a person who digs a trench from the fence to lunch and does not think about anything.
          No, dear. Today's worker is purely physical. labor almost disappeared from the sphere of production. Today he is a fairly educated and, in his field, professionally trained specialist. To which you are not suitable even as an apprentice. Especially where there is no conveyor. And if you take repair companies; ship, air, railway, where all this equipment is repaired (manually), the level of training there is very high. In order to repair email. equipment, for example, of a ship, this is not only purely physical labor, it also needs brains.
          Well, okay, that's enough, stay the THINKING navel of the Earth, I don't mind. And let you be paid a lemon a month for your work, which is beyond the strength of other mortals, I will not object, but I will even be glad for you. Fair.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      who found himself in life and applied correctly!

      Did you study to be a radio operator? And I'm a builder. And he could do the calculations for the load. And my laboratory work was excellent. But ... In the 90s, they began to pay salaries with sand and cement, you can carry home as much as you want. And the design is good for me too. When her friend came to my mother, she wanted the same repair for herself. Hired "professionals". So they did worse than mine, despite the fact that I had pasted the wallpaper a couple of times before. And she paid them a bunch of money. So I'm joking at you, such "craftsmen". What do you pay for? Then he reworked something behind them. Ugh, in one word!
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      Would you give free rein, make the whole world carry bags

      And you, it seems, can do nothing more, since in thirty-seven years you went through a lot of work, and finally you found a warm place. laughing
      1. depressant
        depressant 5 January 2021 16: 59
        +4
        Colleague Mordvin 3, you are just fine and smart! hi
        But you must proceed from the fact that not everyone can fix taps, glue wallpaper, nail baseboards, lay tiles, etc. This is also a talent, a kind of insight. On the other hand, a person simply has no time to repair, and this also needs to be taken into account. For example, he dug himself into the materials for writing an article, he has an idea, passion, and he does not care that the ceiling in the bathroom has peeled off))) It seems to such a person that doing repairs, he wastes his precious time on trifles that are not worth attention. A different approach to life.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 19: 02
          +3
          Quote: depressant
          But you must proceed from the fact that not everyone can fix taps, glue wallpaper, nail baseboards, lay tiles, etc. This is also a talent, a kind of insight. On the other hand, a person simply has no time to repair, and this also needs to be taken into account.

          Lyudmila Yakovlevna! At that time, I set myself the task of making repairs in the kitchen and outhouse before the New Year. Started in November. And when he came home from work, he had dinner and began to do repairs. Sometimes I did it until XNUMX am. Hands fell off, but everything turned out fine, the kitchen is like candy. I posted two photos of the kitchen above, although I photographed it on a Chinese mobile phone and the photos are of poor quality. In real life, two times better. Well, in general, friends often call me to help them do something, at least a mixer, at least sockets, at least connect a column, at least assemble furniture, at least something else. I don’t charge them. So, let's drink, eat, and that's it. hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 5 January 2021 20: 00
            +3
            People who do a good job tend to be proud of themselves, don't they? )))) And it is right!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 20: 23
              +1
              Quote: depressant
              People who do a good job tend to be proud of themselves, don't they? )))) And it is right!

              Yes, without false modesty I will say that I am proud of this work. I didn’t count the number of calories spent on it, but it took away enough energy from me. Not everyone can work hard from morning to two at night. Moreover, that had to be invented. The house is old, Stalin's, there was only one socket in the kitchen. I thought of wiring for the second through a hollow plastic window sill. But one of my friends also made repairs a little earlier, so his wires dangle along the floor, which is quite inconvenient.
              1. depressant
                depressant 5 January 2021 21: 11
                +3
                Just be careful, colleague)))
                It recognizes the house management or housing and communal services that you did the repair yourself, all sorts of unpleasant commissions will start hanging around, imputing to you the certification of what was done, checking for a fee, signing contracts with some "electric wire" company - they are like fleas! Gasmen will drag themselves in to look at your valve, they will also demand to conclude a service contract, but you never know who. And all for the money. This is how life began, and the further, the more of these offices.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 21: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: depressant
                  Gasmen will drag themselves in to watch your valve

                  Were recently. All the way, sort of. Although you are right, it’s better to keep quiet. Freeloaders got divorced. The counter must be checked again, or a new one must be installed. By the way, I will also give advice. Do not try to buy a mixer of this type.
                  Disposable rubbish. How many I have replaced them, and not count. Literally in the spring I bought it, and in the fall it was already broken. It's just that the water from it stops flowing, that's all. I had to buy a new one recently. And every six months to buy a mixer, you can go broke. The hackers. Buy better classics, with two valves, on crane axle boxes. At least they can be repaired easily, the crane-axle box was replaced, and that's it. Delov for two minutes.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 5 January 2021 22: 03
                    +4
                    Do not try to buy a mixer of this type.
                    Not right. Don't buy a cheap faucet of this type, Chinese or made in your local basement.
                    Buy Hansgrohe, Grohe, Emmevi or Barber Wilsons that will serve you for years to come.
                    And the greedy pays twice.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 22: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Undecim
                      Buy Hansgrohe, Grohe, Emmevi or Barber Wilsons that will serve you for years to come.

                      They will not be specifically in our city. The water is too hard and bad. Unless you put a filter. As Lyudmila Yakovlevna wrote, it seems that their water is not very good either. And my single-lever mixer was a Russian manufacturer. From Ivanovo, it seems. And for many of my friends, they do not live long, even if they are cheap, even if they are expensive. And I'm not rich enough to buy filters all the time.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 5 January 2021 22: 30
                        +3
                        Yes, these mixers are sensitive to mechanical impurities. But a filter for mechanics 5 microns with a resource of 10 liters costs a penny. By the way, a boiler with a washing machine will also be delighted with the filter.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 23: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: Undecim
                        But a filter for mechanics 5 microns with a resource of 10 liters costs a penny. By the way, a boiler with a washing machine will also be delighted with the filter.

                        Wash dishes and clothes and water will come off without a filter. Although, yes, I have already changed the heating element in the washer. And I cook on a purchased one. We have it for just 20 rubles 5 liters. From the columns. By the way, many people buy water from us. People are constantly jostling at the posts.
                      3. Undecim
                        Undecim 5 January 2021 23: 56
                        +3
                        20 rubles 5 liters, respectively 12 rubles 000 liters.
                        A set of filters for 3000 liters costs about 600 rubles. Suppose your water is very bad and the filter resource is half as much - 1200-1500 rubles. Feel the difference.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 January 2021 00: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        20 rubles 5 liters, respectively 12 rubles 000 liters.
                        A set of filters for 3000 liters costs about 600 rubles. Suppose your water is very bad and the filter resource is half as much - 1200-1500 rubles.

                        I feel this dilemma. And the life of the washing machine is also falling. You have to buy. But all the same, I will not buy single-lever cranes. They got me. Recently I changed the axle boxes from a friend, so I managed it in two minutes. And in single-lever ones, the hemorrhoids are continuous. Moreover, I have a gas column, and it is not desirable to mix anything with it. The pressure weakens, and the temperature rises, which is fraught. Either the cold one must be opened, or the hot one. I adjusted it to about 40 degrees, and I don't touch it.
                      5. Undecim
                        Undecim 6 January 2021 01: 08
                        +2
                        I had an apartment with a gas boiler. It all depends on the water pressure in the system.
                        If you have low pressure, you need to put a pump in front of the column that increases the pressure or a self-priming pumping station. The costs are small, but you will get a full water supply.
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 January 2021 01: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        I had an apartment with a gas boiler. It all depends on the water pressure in the system.

                        Not only. The columns use tubes with a diameter of 12 mm, and they clog easily, and cold water goes directly to the tap. I have repaired the speakers more than once, punching even those that could not be punched in the gas station, and even the internal leaky tubes were changed. The technology has been worked out by our Kulibins-coppersmiths. A 12 mm tube is drilled with a 11 mm drill, a new 10 mm tube is inserted into it, and it is all welded as it was. This I mean that I understand the issue. When you open a tap with cold water, less water will always go into the column, no matter how you increase the pressure.
                      7. Undecim
                        Undecim 6 January 2021 01: 36
                        +2
                        But if you have enough of it (water), i.e. the flow rate is provided and the required pressure is maintained, the column is working normally. I also repaired mine, especially since the production base made it possible to manufacture an almost new one.
                      8. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 January 2021 01: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Undecim
                        But if you have enough of it, i.e. the flow rate is provided and the required pressure is maintained, the column works normally.

                        But almost always it is less than cold. I now have Zanussi, about five years old, cold water from the tap flows 30 percent more than hot. However, about the pressure, and you are right, in this house it is less than it was where I lived as a child. Remembering Soviet times, I constantly saw men on the street that the speakers were being cleaned with acid. My dad foolishly cleaned it in the bathroom, so he burned all the enamel at the bottom with acid. But the column worked like a clock.
                        Quote: Undecim
                        I also repaired mine, especially since the production base made it possible to manufacture an almost new one.

                        The same as ours. But our coppersmiths treasured sheet copper terribly .. Unlike pipes, which were in bulk. hi
      2. depressant
        depressant 5 January 2021 22: 31
        +3
        Oh! ... There would be extra money ...
        Not greedy - the poor pays twice. When a crane breaks down, but there is no money to buy an expensive mixer right here and now, then ... In general, I have cranes with axle boxes. And the axle boxes are not cheap now. It's not the same for everybody )))
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 5 January 2021 22: 36
          +3
          You know, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I have never met in my life people who had extra money. Even those who, by the standards of the average citizen, have no extra money, like d ... ... cancer wrappers.
        2. depressant
          depressant 5 January 2021 23: 28
          +3
          In many cases, you will be right. Here are my neighbors - they took loans and put up new strong doors, pardon the pun, on the eve of the economic crisis coming to us: as soon as the crisis begins, and we already had it in 2008, there is experience, so crooks break under various pretexts into apartments, and the thief begins to sneak around. But I'm not used to living in debt, it's morally hard for me. I began to endure the mental discomfort badly.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 6 January 2021 05: 16
    +2
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Without false modesty, I will say that I am proud of this work. I did not count the number of calories spent on it, but it took away enough energy from me. Not everyone can work hard from morning to two at night. Moreover, what had to be invented

    Shpakovsky from the plow tongue drinks
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 January 2021 08: 00
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Shpakovsky from the plow

      Crawl, crawl, North Bear. Don't forget to cover your nose. For polar bears, when hunting and curiosity, cover their nose so that no one sees them. And you're some kind of wrong clubfoot. laughing drinks Yes, and lifted his ass high. The same for me, Arctic intelligence ... Smelled condensed milk? Just kidding. hi drinks
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 6 January 2021 09: 58
    +3
    Thank you for your work, articles, information and in general for everything! You are writing very interesting materials. You need more authors like you on VO, and remove such as the under-author Damantsev.
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 January 2021 10: 47
      +1
      Dear colleague of TatarinSSSR, there is no need to remove anyone - the crisis is over! The site, according to my estimates, is again having difficulties with the Authors. Right now I read an article about Stalin's childhood and youth - a compilation from different sources is visible, the Author could not arrange it in a dignified manner, continuous repetitions. In an amicable way, this should not be allowed to be published; a decent literary treatment is needed. But, apparently, there are not enough materials on this topic, or maybe, apart from this crude article, there is nothing in the editorial office's portfolio about Stalin, but for some reason it is necessary about him - articles about Stalin are flowing ...
      On the one hand, this is good, but on the other hand, quality suffers. But if only it was - in a crisis, this principle works. Not to fat, I would live. This is just my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 6 January 2021 12: 53
        +1
        In some ways you are right. After all, in the end, the reader has the right to choose what is interesting to him for reading and ignore what is not interesting. Now, apparently, the quantity is really important, so that there is a chance to find your own version.
      2. kalibr
        7 January 2021 07: 55
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        This is just my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.

        Now is the time when neither the content of the materials, nor the form, matters. What matters is the density of the information flow, that is, the quantity and frequency of published materials, and also their novelty. ALL!
        1. depressant
          depressant 7 January 2021 08: 18
          0
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is how people can stop entering. For example, Roman published an article about cabbage soup. Well, they do comment. But I can not. This is a luxurious life when you can afford to cook such cabbage soup. I don't have such a life. And go in to object, shake your fist at your current social stratum - thank you! For there are those who like it because they can afford it. Why am I going to spoil their mood?
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2021 08: 26
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            Why am I going to spoil their mood?

            You are kind, because a woman! When something hurt me - and I wrote the novel THREE FROM ENSKA, the corpses fell into the text ... You would read it ... You will not regret it, the encyclopedia of Russian life of the early 20th century, the encyclopedia of American life of the 20-3-year , and life in the USSR and in Colombia in 90-2000 ... Chess word, no fools!
            1. depressant
              depressant 7 January 2021 08: 42
              0
              I began to read, but all of you are there, I realized that there will be nothing new. Yes, and I can't read literature now, I have mathematics. I think about it.
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2021 09: 35
                0
                It's a pity, but it's not just me, there's a lot more ...
                1. depressant
                  depressant 7 January 2021 11: 54
                  0
                  Yes, I'll read it, read it. There is not enough strength for everything (((
  • Maximilian37
    Maximilian37 11 January 2021 00: 10
    0
    I think I know why, almost always, sewer pipes are laid in the archives. In case of an uncomfortable situation, you can organize a "canal break", or a fire in the end)