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"Taking into account the results of the war in Karabakh": Britain is going to get its own analogue of the Turkish UAV Bayraktar

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"Taking into account the results of the war in Karabakh": Britain is going to get its own analogue of the Turkish UAV Bayraktar

The British press writes that the UK Ministry of Defense plans to "use the experience of using military equipment of Turkish and Israeli production, obtained by Azerbaijan during the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh." First of all, we are talking about the experience of using reconnaissance and attack drones that the Azerbaijani army has armed with in the past few years.


Britain is launching a new program, according to The Guardian. The program will consist in creating its own inexpensive reconnaissance and strike drone, similar in its characteristics to the Turkish UAV Bayraktar.

British press reports indicate that the use of Bayraktar played a significant role in Azerbaijan's victory over the enemy. And in such a situation, the British War Department, after analyzing the situation, came to the conclusion that the British Royal Army needed to acquire unmanned attack vehicles that could be used in certain areas of warfare, including for anti-terrorist purposes in the area of ​​participation of British troops in such operations.

Funding for the development is planned from 2021 - within the framework of a 5-year project of the military budget of the United Kingdom.

In Britain:

We will focus on obtaining strike and reconnaissance UAVs with a range of up to 150-200 km. It should become inexpensive to maintain, but at the same time have high combat effectiveness.

The Turkish media drew attention to this information, noting that Britain is ready to adopt Turkish military-technical experience, taking into account the results of the war in Karabakh. "
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 30 December 2020 06: 41
    +4
    The situation is normal, I think the General Staffs of the whole world are analyzing the results of the Karabakh War and making their own conclusions.
    We are waiting for the results of the analysis from our Ministry of Defense, and, accordingly, the saturation of the Russian Army and Navy with shock UAVs of various types.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 30 December 2020 07: 01
      +3
      Quote: Hunter 2
      We are waiting for the results of the analysis from our Ministry of Defense, and, accordingly, the saturation of the Russian Army and Navy with shock UAVs of various types.

      So Orion with a suspension with corrected ammunition has already been shown.
      1. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 30 December 2020 07: 16
        0
        Where is the video of Orion strikes against militants in Syria?
      2. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 30 December 2020 07: 18
        0
        Here they said that our kamikaze UAVs experienced the video too, no
        1. Machito
          Machito 30 December 2020 08: 57
          +1
          Based on the results of the war in Karabakh, the general staffs of many countries draw false conclusions about the use of UAVs in modern conflicts. Unmanned aerial vehicles in Karabakh showed themselves against the background of the absence of traditional aviation, air defense, electronic warfare. This is a good weapon against the Indians. It will not fail against the Russian Federation. UAVs require complex use as part of all types of weapons.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 30 December 2020 10: 49
            +1
            Based on the results of the war in Karabakh, the general staffs of many countries draw false conclusions about the use of UAVs in modern conflicts.

            All this experience is being studied for use in local conflicts.
            And there are enough such conflicts all over the world. Unfortunately. hi
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 31 December 2020 18: 24
              +2
              It is stupid to laugh at the British for their desire to get UAVs that are similar to Turkish ones.
              After all, Bayraktar is a super weapon in a condition when the enemy does not have adequate air defense and electronic warfare. But that's all. Otherwise, they become costly targets. But if some state can afford the continuous production of such drones, then if you don't think about losses for some time, you can get an advantage. The Brit, unfortunately, can afford it .. And we are not rich enough to rivet similar devices.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 1 January 2021 14: 07
                0
                It is stupid to laugh at the British for their desire to get UAVs that are similar to Turkish ones.

                I wasn't going to laugh.
                After all, Bayraktar is a super weapon in a condition when the enemy does not have adequate air defense and electronic warfare.

                Where is the developed air defense? In Russia and Israel?
                Not everything was going smoothly for the States with air defense - there were no opponents against whom they needed it. But there is a sea of ​​drones.
                And we are not rich enough to rivet similar machines.

                For Russia, the production of drones is essential.
                And for the control over the territory, and for local conflicts.
                hi
    2. Hermit21
      Hermit21 30 December 2020 08: 33
      +2
      They make them based on reliable data, and not videos selected by Turkish curators.

      saturation of the Russian Army and Navy with shock UAVs of various types


      A good owner, of course, will also need gonorrhea, but you cannot succumb to unmanned hysteria. A few hundred UBLA, I think, is enough for us
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 30 December 2020 08: 50
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The situation is normal, I think the General Staffs of the whole world are analyzing the results of the Karabakh War and making their own conclusions.

      This is not a normal situation. When not the most powerful army in the world (Azerbaijan) shows a new technological type of war. And all the other armies analyze how they lagged behind, and after all, everything was on top, nothing ordinary.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      We are waiting for the results of the analysis from Our Ministry of Defense,

      I'm afraid we won't see the analysis
      1. lucul
        lucul 30 December 2020 09: 03
        +4
        This is not a normal situation. When not the most powerful army in the world (Azerbaijan) shows a new technological type of war. And all the other armies analyze how they lagged behind, and after all, everything was on top, nothing ordinary.

        Here is what the whole tsimes is)))
        Everyone knew perfectly well about drones, their capabilities, but the trouble is that most people simply do not have enough imagination to imagine the actions of drones in battle. You need to poke them with your nose. And Azerbaijan has posted a bunch of videos showing the action of the UAV in battle. And a bunch of military analysts around the world (including our retirement generals) finally got it))))
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 30 December 2020 09: 08
          +3
          Quote: lucul
          Here is what the whole tsimes is)))
          Everyone knew perfectly well about drones, but the trouble is that most people simply do not have enough imagination to imagine the actions of drones in battle. And Azerbaijan posted a bunch of videos clearly showing the operation of the UAV.

          Baku was shown a new type of military action, in the context of the massive use of UAVs, which requires not only comprehension, but also a restructuring of all the rules of war
          1. lucul
            lucul 30 December 2020 09: 09
            0
            but also the restructuring of all the rules of war

            Not yet. The same MLRS with smart missiles outperforms strike UAVs in many ways, including price.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 30 December 2020 09: 15
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              Not yet

              Already Yes !
              Troop action in conditions of massive use of UAVs, counteraction, tactics of the use of troops and coordination of actions with UAVs, use of electronic warfare and air defense systems.
              Everything will undergo a change from charter and tactical science to those cards in production
              1. lucul
                lucul 30 December 2020 09: 16
                -2
                Already Yes !
                Troop action in conditions of massive use of UAVs, counteraction, tactics of the use of troops and coordination of actions with UAVs, use of electronic warfare and air defense systems.

                Well, how do you imagine the massive use of UAVs against Russia? ))))
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 30 December 2020 09: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: lucul
                  Well, how do you imagine the massive use of UAVs against Russia? ))))

                  Why Russia?
                  A certain object, part of the front, building, plant, subdivision, equipment. Everything should be changed taking into account the use of the UAV
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 30 December 2020 09: 20
                    -4
                    A certain object, part of the front, building, plant, subdivision, equipment. Everything should be changed taking into account the use of the UAV

                    Not yet .
                    Why Russia?

                    Goal number 1 in the world)))
      2. Roman1970_1
        Roman1970_1 30 December 2020 15: 32
        -1
        When not the most powerful army in the world (Azerbaijan) shows a new technological type of war. And all other armies analyze


        Azerbajan does not have its own drones. Everything is purchased, therefore there is nothing new in it. Producers manufacturers have already analyzed everything
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 30 December 2020 19: 19
          +1
          Quote: Roman1970_1
          Azerbajan does not have its own drones. Everything is purchased, therefore there is nothing new in it.

          Azerbaijan showed not drones, but new tactics of application, technology of war. And drones could be bought from anyone
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 30 December 2020 06: 42
    -4
    Now that's yeah, Azerbaijan as a trendsetter in military fashion for Britain. What a shame for the lords!
    1. Anar
      Anar 30 December 2020 07: 32
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      What a shame for the lords!

      Why a shame, on the contrary, it is commendable that they are not so proud not to learn from other people's mistakes. Commendable ..... Everyone should be able to break their pride for a better achievement. It is you personally on that shameful, medieval level to ignore reality for the sake of pride.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 30 December 2020 07: 57
        0
        Quote: Anar
        Why a shame, on the contrary, it is commendable that they are not so proud that they do not learn from other people's mistakes. ...... It is you personally on that shameful, medieval level to ignore reality for the sake of pride.


        The fact that the United States and Israel have similar UAVs (the closest allies of the British) have been in service for many years and have accumulated vast experience in their use for the lords, and for you personally, there is news ?! And this miracle (you personally) still bleats about the Middle Ages ...
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 30 December 2020 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Now that's yeah, Azerbaijan as a trendsetter in military fashion for Britain. What a shame for the lords!

      Vladimir, I have to work with Azerbaijanis - a developed people, and not arrogant or arrogant.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 30 December 2020 06: 42
    +6
    Over the past couple of years, Turkish BaiTractors have proven themselves excellently.
    Why don't I mention Jewish drones?
    Because they are already accustomed to them, and in real battles they were somehow not very noticeable before, but in Karabakh they performed very well.
    1. Hermit21
      Hermit21 30 December 2020 08: 28
      0
      The funny thing is, we don't know them. real efficiency. Vidosiki in tyrnete does not display it in any way, because there is only what the average person should see. But at least we know that with the fitting of a more or less efficient air defense all the peremogs disappear somewhere, and the Bayraktars begin to fall one by one
      1. maksbazhin
        maksbazhin 30 December 2020 08: 41
        +5
        They are currently REAL and effective and efficient. It will take some time and they will learn to deal with them more effectively, but for now, thanks to Turkey for the lesson and for the fact that now we still have time to prepare for the new threat.
        Threat An efficient air defense system is very expensive and must be prepared in advance.
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 30 December 2020 08: 57
          -3
          REAL and effective and efficient

          "Effective" (effective, if anything) - yes. Effective - no. By definition, a slow-moving stool with no survivability, protection from electronic warfare and an absent BKO with bombs weighing 25 kilograms cannot be effective.
          It will take some time and they will learn to deal with them more effectively.

          We all cried "Almaz-Antey".
          we still have time to prepare for the new threat

          [Shouts silently]
          Effective air defense is very expensive and must be prepared in advance.

          Libyan "Pantsiri" and air defense SAR send greetings
          1. maksbazhin
            maksbazhin 30 December 2020 10: 27
            +5
            Unmanned aerial vehicles are not only baykatars and anki (at least a rocket is not a pity for them). How many tori and shells do you need to saturate the defense? So far, what we see is a limited theater of action. And the fact that you can fight them indisputably, but they also learn and change and change tactics. Drones are crap and it is important not to lag behind in development and prepare for the future, not the past, war. What is needed here is fundamentally new, not any shells with remote detonation, cheap missiles or electronic warfare are not a panacea.
            1. Hermit21
              Hermit21 30 December 2020 10: 42
              -1
              In normal people, the fight against UAVs is carried out in a complex way: air defense, electronic warfare, EMP, camouflage, strikes at control points and bases. No one air defense alone is going to fight them.
              So far, what we see is a limited theater of action

              The current UBLA is not suitable for anything more.
              they learn the same and change and change tactics

              There is only one tactic: flew out> circling> saw something> dropped the bomb. But if it hit it - it didn't hit it, it destroyed it - it didn't destroy it, maybe it's a mock-up, how many I didn't see, how long I searched for this target, from what time I hit it - but who cares. The main thing is that mamma militarists piss with boiling water from the new wunderwaffe.
              it is important not to lag behind in development and is preparing for a future, not a past war. Here we need a fundamentally new thing, no shells with remote detonation, cheap missiles or electronic warfare are not a panacea

              It's funny that such claims are not being rolled out to the Western armies, who are ready to fight UAVs a little less than nothing. But the RF Armed Forces, capable of fighting them by orders of magnitude better than any foreign army, should be kicked for allegedly backwardness and ignoring the threat
              1. maksbazhin
                maksbazhin 30 December 2020 11: 15
                +2
                I repeat once again the UAV is not a wunderwaffe - it is a crap. They have been involved not for the first decade, but something about strikes on command posts and bases is not often heard (maybe the wars are not the same and between those). No disguise, no thermal signatures will help; if necessary, everything is revealed within two hours. About layouts, this is all for self-assurance. Claims to Western armies? We need them for a fig, but we need to keep ours in good shape.
      2. Anar
        Anar 30 December 2020 08: 53
        +2
        Well, you say what you would like .... but in reality these Bayraktars both in Syria and Libya made a lot of noise. Remember from Syria the military commander spoke, he said "Bayraktars literally terrorize everything that moves, and even single motorcyclists. And nothing can stop them" Although Syria is not Armenia and it has air defense systems.
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 30 December 2020 08: 59
          0
          When he said this, the Syrians had not yet brought up the air defense. Well, the military commander is also a man and may well succumb to Turkish propaganda
          1. Anar
            Anar 30 December 2020 09: 13
            +2
            Syria spurred them throughout 2019 and 2020?)
            In the Ministry of Defense, a couple of preservatives like you, and the army will return to the 19th century ...
            1. Hermit21
              Hermit21 30 December 2020 09: 18
              -2
              In Syria, with the participation of "Baibaks" I remember only the Bydlib apupey in February-March. There they frolicked relatively freely for 2-3 days. As soon as the Syrians drove the air defense, all the peremogs disappeared somewhere
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 30 December 2020 07: 11
    0
    And that the Yankees do not want the Britons to vtyuhnut something, their drone-drone, to begin with, "inexpensive" and a lot? ??
  5. 416D
    416D 30 December 2020 07: 17
    +2
    [Vladimir_2U] That's yeah, Azerbaijan as a trendsetter in military fashion for Britain. What a shame for the lords!

    Well, it is not always for us to disgrace ourselves hi
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 30 December 2020 08: 01
      -1
      Quote: 416D
      Well, it is not always for us to disgrace ourselves

      In Russia, shock UAVs, including heavy jet ones, are already being tested with might and main. So I don’t know about you, but Russia is particularly ashamed and has nothing to do with it.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 30 December 2020 08: 23
        +2
        Russia for more than one year is experiencing "Armata", Su 57, "boomerang" ...
        But they are not in the troops.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 30 December 2020 08: 31
          -3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          For more than one year Russia has been testing "Armata", Su 57, "boomerang" ...
          But they are not in the troops.

          Only cats will be born quickly. And the most complex samples of weapons, moreover, based on technologies that were not previously used, are created and tested for a very long time.
  6. Hermit21
    Hermit21 30 December 2020 08: 23
    -1
    One cannot but support the British in this endeavor. The less normal weapons they have, the easier it will be to fight them. This also applies to NATO
    generally
  7. high
    high 30 December 2020 08: 39
    +2
    Quote: Victor_B
    Over the past couple of years, Turkish BaiTractors have proven themselves excellently.
    Why don't I mention Jewish drones?
    Because they are already accustomed to them, and in real battles they were somehow not very noticeable before, but in Karabakh they performed very well.

    They no longer remember that the technology for the production of Bayraktar drones, Turkey acquired from Israel, and Azerbaijan also produces drones under an Israeli license.
    https://riafan.ru/1284415-izrail-predostavlyaet-turcii-vysokie-tekhnologii-chtoby-oslabit-sar
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 30 December 2020 09: 12
    +1
    British press reports indicate that the use of "Bayraktars" played a significant role in Azerbaijan's victory over the enemy.

    So the situation should be considered from all sides ... especially why such drones were able to inflict significant damage in the first place.
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 December 2020 09: 53
    0
    Yes, they have a bunch of ready-made devices + or - in terms of carrying capacity .... it is cheaper to buy decommissioned Rippers.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 December 2020 10: 26
      +3
      Which ones? They have reapers. The main UAV in Britain is such a licensed Hermes from Thales.



      But Reapers are already a serious sledgehammer.


      They do not have a cheap consumable strike UAV.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 December 2020 15: 34
        +1
        Hermes, judging by the DAS, is just a classmate of Bayraktar. But the Jews do more expensive than the Turks.
  10. iouris
    iouris 30 December 2020 12: 14
    0
    It looks like Britain is gathering its own military-economic bloc, which is going to lead. It will definitely include Turkey with its Azerbaijan, the PRC, some Arab monarchies, and Ukraine. And there, as the card will fall.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 December 2020 15: 34
      0
      So you type.
  11. Basarev
    Basarev 30 December 2020 15: 31
    0
    Britain can handle it. She has a strong science, a strong industry, especially electronics, and the economy will pull. But it is really worth seriously thinking about our plans - will it really be as described, or is it just another manilovism?