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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to purchase three military transport An-178 for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to purchase three military transport An-178 for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to purchase three military transport An-178 for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The agency signed a memorandum of cooperation with Antonov on the construction of aircraft for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


According to the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, the signed memorandum provides for the purchase of three new An-178 military transport aircraft by the Ukrainian Defense Ministry. It is emphasized that the production of aircraft must go under state guarantees. A loan for this should be issued by one of the state banks of Ukraine, and the government should act as a guarantor of the loan repayment.

The signing of the memorandum took place with the participation of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

(...) new Antonov aircraft for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be built by Ukrainian citizens, from Ukrainian components, for Ukrainian interests. Actually the way it should be

- said the head of state.

Director General of Ukroboronprom Yuri Gusev said that he expects to conclude new government contracts for the manufacture of AN-178 aircraft from 2021.

The fact that the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense intends to purchase three An-178 aircraft for the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was reported in September this year. At the same time, it was emphasized that in the future, the number of ordered An-178s for the Armed Forces should increase over time.

The An-178 multipurpose transport aircraft is a development of the An-148 / An-158 regional aircraft. The design of the aircraft was carried out without the use of design documentation, which led to a misalignment of the aircraft due to miscalculations of the designers. The aircraft has not yet reached the stage of mass production.

According to the developers, the aircraft has the following characteristics: flight altitude - 12 km, range - 5500 km, maximum speed - 825 km / h. The shape of the fuselage and ramp allow you to transport bulky goods weighing up to 18 tons, including containers.

For our part, we note that for the entire time after the breakdown of cooperation with Russia, Ukraine managed to assemble only two aircraft without Russian components: An-178 and a demonstration copy of An-132D. All aircraft designed by Antonov depended to a large extent on Russian parts, and the Ukrainian government does not allocate funds for import substitution of components.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 29 December 2020 17: 16
    +1
    What, interestingly, will replace titanium parts? Russia is actually a monopoly in this area, Boeing and Airbus are willingly acquiring.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 29 December 2020 17: 42
      +4
      Titanium is not a problem for them, as it is mined in the Zhytomyr region, and in Zaporozhye it was smelted together with some other non-ferrous metals. The question is whether they can do without Russian components and how much it will cost.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 29 December 2020 19: 42
        +3
        Quote: URAL72
        Titanium is not a problem for them, since it is mined in the Zhytomyr region, and in Zaporozhye it was smelted together with some other non-ferrous metals.

        So after all, Russia does not sell titanium itself, but products from its alloys. That is, finished products. Equipment for working with titanium is not cheap + development and smelting of titanium alloys. Does Ukraine have all this?
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 29 December 2020 20: 01
          +1
          If Motorsich is still making an engine, and they are doing it, too, Nikolaev, then it is. I know in the Donbass in Snezhnoe, they made blades for turbines, but the equipment was removed back in the 14th, and not to Ukraine laughing ...
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 29 December 2020 21: 17
            +3
            Quote: URAL72
            If Motorsich is still making an engine, and they are doing it, too, Nikolaev, then it is.

            Nevertheless, we supply titanium products to both Airbus and Boeing, not Ukraine, which, if it had the opportunity, would certainly try to sell its products here, but we have not heard of this.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 30 December 2020 08: 55
              0
              And it won't be heard until someone gets (I don't know how) these technologies. At least NOBODY in the world has them yet: both because of ignorance of the processes, and because of the complexity of technologies.
        2. andrewkor
          andrewkor 30 December 2020 04: 31
          +1
          Thank you guys for your comments on my note. You deserved your pluses. And what are the cons for me? State Department agents have shown themselves in all their glory.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 30 December 2020 09: 05
            +1
            Liberd minus you, because "bright faces" cannot forgive the gas station that it (the gas station) owns technologies that are too tough for "The Highest City on the Hill", and you tell everyone about it. It is also lucky for you that you haven’t hooked on Fu-35 yet because the cost of its development and production exceeded similar work on the aircraft carrier "Ford"
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII 29 December 2020 19: 46
        0
        Quote: URAL72
        Titanium is not a problem for them, as it is mined in the Zhytomyr region, and in Zaporozhye it was smelted together with some other non-ferrous metals. The question is whether they can do without Russian components and how much it will cost.

        So let them set up their production, and then we'll see what happens. These (Ukrainians) talk a lot, but there is little to do.))
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 29 December 2020 23: 59
        +3
        ZTMK makes a titanium sponge, not a finished product, so there is nothing to replace. For 20 years "Motor" has been trying to replace titanium blanks from Verkh. Salda, but it still doesn't work out. The extreme An - 72, which was made for the Kazakhs, was why it stood for three years in Kharkov, because there was no detail of the center section, which Russia is doing, until they agreed, through "third hands"
      4. hydrox
        hydrox 30 December 2020 08: 49
        0
        Nobody needs titanium in its raw form, since only Russia has industrial technologies for converting titanium sponge into finished products.
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 29 December 2020 19: 48
      -1
      Quote: andrewkor
      What, interestingly, will replace titanium parts? Russia is actually a monopoly in this area, Boeing and Airbus are willingly acquiring.

      There is a plan B, on the sly to buy Russian industry through other hands, so that the patriots are calm.))
  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 29 December 2020 17: 16
    +16
    Memorandum is a statement of intent. But some do not have planes, while others have money.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 29 December 2020 17: 56
      +7
      Quote: Sergey39
      statement of intent. But some do not have planes, while others have money.

      Everything is fine - after signing this statement, they will sit down and have a drink so that when the thread of desires coincides with the possibilities. yes drinks laughing
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma 29 December 2020 18: 09
      +8
      Quote: Sergey39
      Memorandum - statement of intent

      Yes, the AN-178 aircraft are already "flying" all over the world (according to the memorandum) - just high-high and non-stop, which is why it is not noticeable to us - the "damned Muscovites" wassat We are waiting for the next FLYLES laughing
      According to Ukrainian aviation specialists, the sales market for the An-178 can be about 800 aircraft within 10-12 years
      - "blessed is he who believes"
      A small list of proLits:
      07.05.2015
      Azerbaijan cargo airline Silk Way Airlines and Antonov State Enterprise signed contract for the supply of ten An-178 aircraft. All planes will be assembled in Kiev. Acting told reporters about it. the general designer of the enterprise Dmitry Kiva. He noted that now a preliminary the package of orders for this aircraft is about 100 units. Saudi Arabia and the countries of the Persian Gulf are interested in buying.

      22.08.2016
      Ukrainian aircraft manufacturer Antonov State Enterprise is currently building ten aircraft of the An-148 and An-158 families. The company has 18 firm orders in total. This was reported by Delo.ua with reference to the press service of the company.

      June 2019
      In June 2019, the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov stated that The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine will purchase 13 An-178 aircraft... According to Avakov, Ukrainian and European components will be installed on the aircraft, the delivery of the aircraft is expected in 3 years, and on October 8 Avakov and the President of Antonov State Enterprise Alexander Donets signed a Memorandum within the framework of the XVI International Specialized Exhibition "Arms and Security - 2019" - Ministry of Internal Affairs Ukraine has ordered 13 AN-178 aircraft from Antonov State Enterprise. Nine aircraft will work for the needs of the State Emergency Service (State Emergency Service), four more will be used by the National Guard of Ukraine, - said Minister Avakov
    3. kit88
      kit88 29 December 2020 23: 46
      +10
      Money is not the problem!
      There are three options:
      1. Borrow in the West
      2. To file a lawsuit against Russia demanding money
      3. Go looking for treasure
      wassat
  3. senima56
    senima56 29 December 2020 17: 21
    -13%
    Well, and the media have long been speculating that Antonov has fallen apart! "," There is no more aircraft construction in Ukraine! " or tell the truth, or keep silent.
    1. KCA
      KCA 29 December 2020 17: 35
      +15
      "for all the time after the breakdown of cooperation with Russia, Ukraine managed to assemble only two aircraft without Russian components: An-178 and a demonstration copy of An-132D"

      A fucking success, somewhere in bast shoes Russia, here it is, a genuine import substitution and a triumph of the Ukrainian aircraft industry, a whole plane and an underplane in 6 years, peremoga!
    2. Temples
      Temples 29 December 2020 17: 36
      +3
      Quote: senima56
      you need to either tell the truth or keep silent.

      But for some reason you are not silent. wink laughing

      And the truth is, production has stopped.
      And to talk is not to roll bags.
      Zelensky professional balabol.

      Now it's a balabolic time.

      That in Ukraine, that our officials say a lot, and then it turns out that the dancers are shaking their slippers.

      When countries are led by collective farm directors and similar clowns, it remains only to speak.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 30 December 2020 10: 37
        0
        The directors were at the state farms, the chairmen at the collective farms.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 29 December 2020 17: 42
      0
      Well, how many planes have they built for the last 20 years?)
    4. URAL72
      URAL72 29 December 2020 17: 46
      +8
      Where does it get? The article says - 2 cars in 6 years! How many specialists do you think have gone during this time? I have heard quite a few engineers since then moved to Russia, they were even specially recruited. By the way, in Kiev they have been fighting for a long time for the land on which the plant stands. They want to move out of town. I have been there - near the metro station, Nivki station. Only the motorcycle has already been moved - since then no one has seen it ...
      1. Eug
        Eug 29 December 2020 18: 03
        +2
        As far as I know, the Antonov Serial Plant retained its personnel. This was the reason for the accusations of the management of the Antonov concern that it does not transfer funds to Ukroboronprom and due to this retains specialists. It seems that they even bought the center section equipment from the Kharkov enterprise. As for the components, I think they will buy it through Boeing or someone else, it will, of course, be much more expensive, but Ukraine pays. And Boeing in difficult circumstances (problems caused by the 737 max disasters) will not be superfluous at all.
      2. bobba94
        bobba94 29 December 2020 19: 29
        0
        They are going to move to Gostomel, they say that there is an airfield, there are all the conditions, this, that ... They will postpone, because the land in Kiev is needed for building, the place is good, you can make good money ..... I think they will.
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 29 December 2020 19: 33
          +2
          Previously, they were going to move the civil aviation plant, the Zhulyany airport to 410. There is an excellent aviation museum there, even Tu-22M3, 95MS, 160 are. Outskirts of Kiev, Teremki.
        2. Vlad is short
          Vlad is short 31 December 2020 18: 23
          0
          The relocation of production will also require non-residential assets. A couple more Maidans and everything will fly unambiguously
    5. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 29 December 2020 18: 03
      +2
      Do you think when you say something? Since 2015, Antonov has not delivered a single production aircraft. The last built board was handed over to the customer in the summer of 2015. While they can repair old aircraft. Until.
    6. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 29 December 2020 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: senima56
      Well, and the media have long been speculating that Antonov has fallen apart! "," There is no more aircraft construction in Ukraine! " or tell the truth, or keep silent.


      Yes, "import substitution". An-178, as it was 2/3 non-Ukrainian, and remained. It's just that Russian components were replaced with American ones.
      “The plane that took off in 2015 had a different configuration, a third of which were Ukrainian components, a third were Russian, and a third were Western. We have lost the Russian component and replaced it with domestic and Western counterparts. The updated An-178 will become the first An-aircraft in a new configuration without Russian equipment, which will have a type certificate, "he stressed.

      “We hope for the An-178 in terms of international sales. It is not enough to create airplanes, they must be sold, and this is already state policy. For several years, I personally have been dealing with this issue for 5 years now, we managed to reach agreements on the promotion of the aircraft to alternative markets. In particular, we can already talk about the great interest on the part of the Turkish Republic in the acquisition of several An-178s. The next step is the An-188 heavy military transport aircraft, which will replace the Il-76 in the Ukrainian air force. It has a fairly high potential in the global market. "

      At the same time A. Los expressed hope for the support of the ministry and personally the vice prime minister in the regulation of the policy of international partnership and cooperation. “In particular, in the modern version of the An-178, almost two-thirds of the equipment of the aircraft is made in the United States with the corresponding export restrictions. Each item must obtain a US export license as a dual-use product. This is a rather difficult problem, since it concerns not only the acquisition process, but also certification and delivery of aircraft to certain markets, "he explained.

      https://avianews.info/an-178-uspeshno-importozameshhyon-vmesto-treti-rossijskih-komplektuyushhih-na-nyom-dve-treti-amerikanskih/
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 29 December 2020 19: 26
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        This is a rather difficult problem, since it concerns not only the acquisition process, but also certification.

        And this plane with all its "novelties" is already certified or the process is still underway ...
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 29 December 2020 19: 32
          +2
          Certification after completion of a series of flight tests. I have not heard of the test flights of the new version of the An-178. Besides, in the West, foreigners do not like there competitors are not needed. If you do everything smartly, then these are years of testing. If for domestic use, then you can forget about certification.
          1. bobba94
            bobba94 29 December 2020 22: 25
            +2
            Certification is carried out by specialized state organizations of the country, in Ukraine it is, in my opinion, the State Aviation Service of Ukraine, there are no problems, I received a certificate and you can fly on domestic airlines. To fly on international airlines, you need to go through certain procedures for compliance with certification in two main organizations, these are the FAA (US Federal Aviation Agency) and EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency).
  4. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 29 December 2020 17: 22
    +5
    One of them is the very "ghost plane" that the Peruvians have abandoned. Can they even finish building them? recourse
  5. Astoria
    Astoria 29 December 2020 17: 23
    +8
    Every day, there is a new memorandum in the country 404. Not a single board for 6 years have not been lifted into the air, but there are a lot of plans. laughing
  6. Guru
    Guru 29 December 2020 17: 43
    0
    A loan for this should be issued by one of the state banks of Ukraine, and the government should act as a guarantor of the loan repayment.
    Do Ukrainian banks have money? Or decided to print?
  7. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 29 December 2020 17: 47
    +3
    On the reverse side of the pages of the "memorandum" I read that Ukraine will beg the decommissioned C-130 "Hercules" from the new American administration for the transition to NATO standards and strategic partnership.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 December 2020 18: 00
      +1
      Why decommissioned ?! Ideally, credit is new. Well, or at worst the C-390, where Boeing has 50% and is now being aggressively marketed. The Hungarians have already bought a fight under the press before the sanctions. A couple more European countries are next in line.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 29 December 2020 19: 36
        +1
        Taking into account the capabilities of Embraer in production and maintenance, all statements by 404s for the production of An-178 are nothing more than another memorandum... Oh, forgive, country 404 now needs to be European - Letter Of Intention, the meaning does not change.
  8. svp67
    svp67 29 December 2020 17: 47
    +1
    from Ukrainian components,
    In their "sausage". But what about parts and assemblies from the world's best manufacturers instead of Russian ones?
  9. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 29 December 2020 17: 49
    +3
    I can imagine the cost of this miracle, if they can do it, taking into account the piece assembly, well, plus 70% kickbacks. Maybe it's better to buy a Boeing 747, I think it will be cheaper.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 29 December 2020 19: 43
      0
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Imagine the cost of this miracle if they can do it

      So far they have called - Alexander Los - "depending on the configuration of the service package, the cost of one An-178 is USD 60-70 million":
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 29 December 2020 20: 35
        0
        This is the price before kickbacks, but in fact it will be 200. 80 million would be in case of mass production.
  10. Kushka
    Kushka 29 December 2020 17: 56
    +7
    Ukrainian banks - emulation.
    Polish bank from the end of the top five
    "weighs" more than the ENTIRE banking system
    Ukraine.
    Ukrainian aircraft industry (tank building, car industry)
    - the same emulation.
    Guppies, you know, have the same thing as everyone else - head, fins,
    tail - everything is like a whale shark, but you don't think that
    guppy crosses the oceans at the same speed and has
    the same power. But the guppy, although it looks beautiful, and
    does not show off.
  11. Tagan
    Tagan 29 December 2020 17: 59
    +5
    Quote: senima56
    Well, and the media have long been speculating that Antonov has fallen apart! "," There is no more aircraft construction in Ukraine! " or tell the truth, or keep silent.

    And that's true. We have already lost count of new Ukrainian aircraft))
  12. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 29 December 2020 18: 02
    0
    And here I am declaring that by the end of 2021 I will build a starfleet of 1000 Star Destroyers! Ready to sign a memorandum with Biden himself! Give me a couple of billion hryvnias!
  13. Dimide
    Dimide 29 December 2020 18: 12
    -6
    The construction of the aircraft for Peru was demonstrated online by the Ministry of Defense of this country. The contract is confirmed.
    Aircraft for Ukraine will be built under state guarantees in the amount of 4,5 billion hryvnia.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 29 December 2020 19: 39
      +6
      Quote: Dimid
      Aircraft for Ukraine will be built under state guarantees in the amount of 4,5 billion hryvnia.
      Yes, we do not mind, we are even very interested to see this ... removed the balancing plates that lay at the entrance to the cab, or they were simply introduced into the design features
  14. agoran
    agoran 29 December 2020 20: 28
    +2
    There was infa in the media that this s-that had a miscalculation in design, the center of gravity was shifted.
    Even in the photo you can see that the mass-dimensional analogs of the engines hang on the pylons.
    Two may build, but not a series.
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  16. APASUS
    APASUS 29 December 2020 21: 43
    +2
    All these Napoleonic plans of the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are clear to me, the question is rather different: that the Antonov Design Bureau solved all the problems with the weight distribution of this machine?
    During the first flight tests of the first prototype of the new An-178 transport aircraft (serial number 001, UR-EXP registration) built by Antonov SE, a serious problem with the alignment of the aircraft was revealed, caused by significant design errors. As a result, to ensure normal alignment, the aircraft is forced to carry out all any longer test and ferry flights with an additional ballast weight weighing 1,32 tons (!) In the form of a package of 15 steel plates weighing 85-90 kg each, laid down immediately behind the cockpit. It was with this ballast that the An-178 prototype flew to air shows in Le Bourget, and now to Dubai, and after landing, the ballast is quickly unloaded to hide the fact of its presence on the plane. Needless to say, the constant presence of 1,32 tonnes of ballast degrades the aircraft's performance, and without that, apparently, it is unlikely to correspond to the advertising data claimed by Antonov State Enterprise.
    Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/an-178/ OVT "WEAPONS OF THE FATHERLAND" AVKarpenko
  17. maykl8
    maykl8 29 December 2020 22: 13
    +3
    The state enterprise "Antonov" over the past 5 years has signed 8 memorandums on the supply of the An-178 aircraft both abroad and for the needs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, but none of the memorandums was fulfilled.

    "2015 - a memorandum was signed with Silk Way (Azerbaijan) for 2 aircraft;
    2015 - Memorandum signed with Beijing A-Star Aerospace Technology Co. (China) for 2 boards;
    2015 - a memorandum was signed with Tagnia Aeronautics (KSA) for 10 aircraft and the localization of production in Saudi Arabia;
    2016 - a memorandum was signed with Airspace Industry Corporation of China (China) for 5 aircraft and localization of production in China;
    2016 - a memorandum was signed with the Iraqi Armed Forces on 1 board;
    2017 - a new memorandum was signed with Silk Way (Azerbaijan) for 2 boards and the localization of production in Azerbaijan;
    2018 - a memorandum was signed with the General Command of the Gendarmerie of Turkey for 4 boards;
    2019 - a memorandum was signed with the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine for 9 aircraft;
    2020 - a memorandum was signed with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for 3 aircraft. "
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 December 2020 23: 59
      +2
      Quote: maykl8
      2018 - a memorandum was signed with the General Command of the Gendarmerie of Turkey for 4 boards;

      It was they who got excited to play such inra, the Turks did not forget the KUM machine gun without barrels, and they do not want the AN-178 without engines.
  18. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 December 2020 23: 56
    +1
    new Antonov planes for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be built by Ukrainian citizens, from Ukrainian components, for Ukrainian interests. Actually the way it should be

    Well, in Sumerokanrtri everything can be.
  19. Dimon-SPG
    Dimon-SPG 30 December 2020 09: 21
    0
    Blah, blah, blah ... Instead of 3 anov)))
  20. Growlers
    Growlers 30 December 2020 10: 55
    +1
    The question is certainly interesting. Only now, most likely, this is another way to "cut" the budget
  21. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 30 December 2020 17: 49
    -1
    Ukrainians have already signed one “memorandum” - the Budapest one.