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The Pentagon will spend about $ 5 billion on the purchase of tanks M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams

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It became known about a major contract in the military-technical sphere, signed in the United States of America. We are talking about the contract of General Dynamics with the Pentagon.


The amount specified in the contract is $ 4,6 billion. But these are not the final figures.

On the basis of the signed contract, GD undertakes to supply the updated main combat Tanks (MBT) M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams. Moreover, all deliveries must be completed by 2028.

Initially, General Dynamics has already received a considerable amount from the US military budget - $ 406 million. It was a kind of advance payment. Thus, the total amount will be more than $ 5 billion.

At the same time, it is not yet said about a specific number of MBT "Abrams", which will be delivered under this agreement.

The American military-themed press tells about what updates the contracted version of the tank received. In particular, it talks about updating the fire control system, increasing the efficiency of the fuel system. The tank has reduced fuel consumption, which, accordingly, leads to an increase in the distance that the M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams can cover before the next refueling process.

Communications from General Dynamics indicate that the new version is designed to "accept future updates without problems."

From the company's release:

The new version of the Abrams tank has unsurpassed firepower, maneuverability and shock characteristics.

The tank has a manual-loading 120mm smoothbore cannon. It is said to be capable of firing at both ground vehicles and low-flying enemy aircraft.

GD General Manager Don Kochman:

We are delighted to continue our support for the army in terms of upgrading the Abrams main battle tank.
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  1. Machete
    Machete 29 December 2020 14: 48
    0
    Will they be new tanks or upgraded ones?
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 29 December 2020 14: 53
      0
      New on the basis of М1A2 most likely!
      1. bubasa
        bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 09
        +6
        there is no opportunity for omerigania to produce new ones ... no, no fantasies
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 15: 41
          -9
          Quote: bubasa
          The American military-themed press tells about what updates the contracted version of the tank received.

          The American military-themed press tells about what updates the contracted version of the tank received.
          And the automatic loader was invented? Or, again, a special Negro loader in the carriage?
          1. tech3030
            tech3030 29 December 2020 16: 17
            -4
            Because of this machine gun, our crew sits on a barrel of gunpowder and this is not good, many people know it.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 16: 34
              0
              Quote: tech3030
              Because of this machine gun, our crew sits on a barrel of gunpowder and this is not good, many people know it.

              I am not commenting, it’s not fuel oil, but I only drove on the armor from above. I'm Uncle Vasya. But I saw on TV how beautifully our automatic loaders work and how in "Abrams" a sweaty black man shoves shells into the cannon with his hands. Yes, and an extra member of the crew, especially a sweaty black man, suitable only for carrying shells - also, in my opinion, not ice ... Our people somehow manage without blacks.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 29 December 2020 17: 12
                +4
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                But I saw on TV how beautifully our automatic loaders work and how in "Abrams" a sweaty black man shoves shells into the cannon with his hands.

                The problem is that the crew and the beautifully working automatic loader share the same size of the fighting compartment. In fact, the crew sits on charges and shells, which, due to the "carousel", occupy almost half of the side projection of the fighting compartment. And they love to burn and detonate when hitting the side under the tower.
                The Yankees, on the other hand, take the BC to the aft niche, where, in which case, it is much less likely to fry the crew. But with the AZ due to such placement of the BC, some problems arose. However, solvable - at least like those of the same French with their drums or conveyor.
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                And once a member of the crew, especially sweaty negro, suitable only for pulling shells - also, in my opinion, no ice ...

                Quite the opposite - one more pair of hands in the carriage will never be superfluous. smile
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 29 December 2020 18: 13
                  +9
                  Neighing. A b / c explosion will equally incinerate the crew behind the back and under the butt. Only now to get into the b / c which is located no higher than the waist on the T-72 / T-90 and the chest on the T-80 is much more difficult than into the huge niche of the tower, which occupies half of it. Especially from the side, from behind and from above. What the Arabs and Houthis skillfully use.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 29 December 2020 23: 52
                    0
                    "An explosion b / c will equally incinerate the crew, what's behind the back, what's under the ass" ///
                    ---
                    No. Abrams' shells are unitary. There are no separate charges in cardboard casings, like on Russian tanks.
                    And they lie in a basket behind the fire-prevention wall, with the tips towards the stern of the tank, and not towards the tower.
                    There were several cases of rockets or grenades hitting the basket. The tank was temporarily out of order, but the crew was not injured.
                    1. Old tanker
                      Old tanker 30 December 2020 06: 41
                      +3
                      Do not confuse the basket and the ammunition itself. Cardboard or thin brass casing by cumulative jet through the drum. Ksati in the automatic loader charges are almost completely hidden in the steel cassette sleeve. And in the mechanism the charges are located behind the cabin wall. That is, there are no openly located cardboard charges in the fighting compartment in automatic machines / loading mechanisms.
                      Well, about the effectiveness of the location of the shells in the turret niche, as well as the effectiveness of the action of the knockout panels and armored doors, the photo of the Abrams with torn off towers or completely collapsed tanks speaks.
                      Detonation of ammunition, wherever it is, leads to the complete destruction of the tank.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 30 December 2020 11: 05
                        -4
                        "Abrams with torn off towers or completely collapsed tanks" ///
                        ----
                        These are pictures from the Iranian war, where the destroyed tanks, which
                        it was impossible to evacuate the attack aircraft from above.
                        Very few tankers died in Abrams.
                        A hammered basket justifies itself in terms of protecting the crew.
                        But the tank itself becomes more vulnerable.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 30 December 2020 12: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        But the tank itself becomes more vulnerable.

                        So in fact, in battle, it is more important to disable the enemy's tank (and from battle) than to strive to destroy its crew. A tank suitable for repair and restoration can also become a valuable trophy.
                        And hitting the Abrams in the niche / basket of the tower is much easier than the T-72 \ 90 - they have side armor and side screens there, sometimes with dynamic protection.
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 30 December 2020 12: 13
                        0
                        This is not true. An experienced crew is much more valuable
                        the tank itself. The crew takes a long time to prepare.
                      4. bayard
                        bayard 30 December 2020 14: 36
                        +3
                        Even the surviving crew must leave the burning tank safely. And it is much easier to get into the tower niche with a side projection than into the side of the T-72 \ 90 (it is banalously lower).
                        Of course, it is necessary to take care of the crew (during the creation of the "Armata" this was especially taken care of), but the surviving crew after the destruction / incapacitation of the tank will no longer be able to fight. In battle, it is more important to knock out as much equipment as possible, then it is easier to deal with the personnel.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 18: 17
            +2
            Alex, hi !
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quite the opposite - one more pair of hands in the carriage will never be superfluous.
            I never ruble in armored vehicles - I read only in Vipikedia. I'm not kidding - I'm a natural landing party, but in tanks I think like in tractors-bulldozers, which I buy for my company. But I didn't think that everything was so complicated with AZ. As far as I see it, the Soviet-Russian military industry has always followed the path of maximum optimization. Dimensions, weight, crew, and more. So why did our people invent AZ, and not put the Negro loader, if everything is so simple? I do not understand...
            1. Brylevsky
              Brylevsky 30 December 2020 03: 56
              +3
              So why did our people invent AZ, and not put the Negro loader, if everything is so simple? I do not understand...

              The loading mechanism on the T-64 was invented in order to exclude the fourth member of the crew, and, as a result, to reduce the tank's armor volume, which significantly reduced its frontal and side projections. Smaller projection area - less chance of hitting ... at the same time, the tank's weight decreased, which is also a plus.
              Many people mistakenly believe that the loading mechanism was invented to increase the rate of fire, this is not the case. Moreover, in the first minutes of the battle, while the loader is not yet tired, manual loading can surpass automatic loading in its tempo. The main idea of ​​automatic loading is precisely to reduce the volume of the fighting compartment by eliminating the loader.
              There is an opinion that AZ is “good” and “Negro” is “bad”. So, there is no unambiguous assessment of this issue and cannot be. For example, on the T-72 (as well as on the T-90), a very strong blow in the bottom of the tank is enough for its AZ to break down, and a fully combat-ready tank turns into a defenseless target. It can be an explosion of a mine or a land mine, breaking through the armor is not required; or a "successful landing" of a tank on a ledge in the ground after a spectacular long jump ... A separate story is the manual loading of the gun on the T-72 (90) after the ammunition in the AZ carousel is used up. And such "little things" with a careful study will be enough ... MZ (AZ) was a certain breakthrough in those years when it was created, now in the form in which it is, it is hopelessly outdated and poses a threat to life crew, in order to understand this fact, it is enough to carefully study the statistics of combat losses with us and they, - the upper cut of the road roller, alas, is not the same "effective screen" from the cumulative jet, as some people like to savor here .... shells, gunpowder in cardboard sleeves, fuel, oil and people, and all this in one volume - this is the evil that must be fought.
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker 30 December 2020 06: 47
                +7
                You are right, at the AZ the drum spins on rollers on the bottom of the tank. But can you imagine how strong the udad should be to get the tank bottom deflection. For more than 20 years of service in the tank forces, I have not met or heard anything like this. Although he always served in deployed units, not on the BHVT. The loading mechanism of the T-64 / T-80 is not subject to this, the cassettes are hung there. Tagilians abandoned the MZ, because it is more complex and less reliable due to hydraulics. Although it is more spacious and the loading cycle on it goes faster.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 30 December 2020 11: 31
                  +4
                  Quote: Old Tankman
                  how strong the blow should be to get the tank bottom deflection.
                  Tagilians dealt with this issue. The bottom of the T-72 (T90) is much more rigid than that of the T-64- (T80) (a profile that increases rigidity). And I haven’t come across any information about AZ failure due to bottom deflection.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 30 December 2020 10: 10
                +3
                Quote: Brylevsky

                The loading mechanism on the T-64 was invented in order to exclude the fourth member of the crew, and, as a result, to reduce the tank's armor volume, which significantly reduced its frontal and side projections. Smaller projection area - less chance of hitting ... at the same time, the tank's weight decreased, which is also a plus.

                Increasing the tank's protection while maintaining the mass at the level of 50 tons (for railway transportation) by minimizing the armor volume is the cornerstone of Soviet post-war tank building.
                Quote: Brylevsky
                Many people mistakenly believe that the loading mechanism was invented to increase the rate of fire, this is not the case. Moreover, in the first minutes of the battle, while the loader is not yet tired, manual loading can surpass automatic loading in its tempo.

                AZ and in the following minutes of the battle may have problems - if the required type of shells is over (you won't shoot with crowbars at the infantry). Indeed, there are only 22 shots in the carousel.
                Quote: Brylevsky
                A separate story is the manual loading of the gun on the T-72 (90) after the ammunition in the AZ carousel has been used up.

                Or the replenishment of the carousel BC - EMNIP, at one time in Donetsk, several DPR tanks were shot with impunity just during this reloading.
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 30 December 2020 11: 01
                  +6
                  and the expense of minimizing the armor volume is the cornerstone of the Soviet post-war tank building ... the appearance of AZ and MZ on Soviet tanks is not so much related to a decrease in weight. how many with the use of HE shells of increased power weighing 23 kg ... on the ISs and post-war T-10 k for servicing the 122-mm gun, there were two loaders for pushing a projectile weighing 24 kg HE and a propellant charge ... with AZ and MZ this the factor has been eliminated ... but on western tanks, unitary shells have reached their mass limit for normal conditions of a loader, ... that is, the most powerful unitary shot for NATO 120 mm tank guns does not exceed 24 kg. of which the projectile itself accounts for 12 kg of which 6 kg is a cumulative .... and even a trick .... these are tank UR ..... in NATO tanks they decided to use LHAT. but there is no regular place for them, therefore, you can accept three or four of them, ..... in T-72B3 and 90 fill AZ at least the whole carousel of 22 shots ... especially since Invar has two mods, .. cumulative and OF ... that's the case
                2. nPuBaTuP
                  nPuBaTuP 30 December 2020 14: 06
                  0
                  Or the replenishment of the carousel BC - EMNIP, at one time in Donetsk, several DPR tanks were shot with impunity just during this reloading.

                  How long will it take to recharge Abrashi?
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 30 December 2020 11: 13
              0
              In Israel, tank generals demanded: in a tank
              we need four people. The fourth is like an infantryman.
              Any additional tasks except charging.
              In triple tanks, the commander has to carry them out.
              The most skilled in the tank: shooter and driver.
              They are "nerds", professionals: everything is virtual, computers,
              screens. They are cherished the most.
              The commander is also a "fighter", the loader is also.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 30 December 2020 11: 41
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                In Israel, tank generals demanded: in a tank
                we need four people. The fourth is like an infantryman.

                The eternal problem of armored vehicles - where did the infantry go again, which should cover the tank? smile
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 30 December 2020 11: 50
                  0
                  Merkava has good all-round protection against grenades and missiles.
                  KAZ and hinged metal-ceramics.
                  Therefore, the infantry does not need to cover the Merkava. The infantry is seizing
                  houses, cleaning the area. And the tank - by the defeat of firing points
                  and protecting the enemy from enemy armored vehicles.
                2. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 11: 53
                  +1
                  How wrong were the Germans who established the Panzer Grenadier class during World War II?
          3. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 30 December 2020 11: 22
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            So what did our people invent AZ

            Of the 30 called up reservists, there will be 000 tank crews if they have 10 people and 000 if there are 3 people. This is one of the main factors.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 5 January 2021 10: 48
              0
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              So what did our people invent AZ

              Of the 30 called up reservists, there will be 000 tank crews if they have 10 people and 000 if there are 3 people. This is one of the main factors.


              Or you can give each one a saber or even a bayonet ...
              And you get 30 thousand ... bayonets ...
              against tanks, against drones ...
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 5 January 2021 10: 50
                -1
                I described the reality of the 60-70s, when these tanks were created. At that time they were one of the best or simply the best. Naturally, this is now an atavism.
              2. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 5 January 2021 11: 35
                0
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                I described the reality of the 60-70s, when these tanks were created. At that time they were one of the best or simply the best. Naturally, this is now an atavism.


                I can't agree about the "best" ...
                It's just that we and they went with different concepts for the development of tank building.
                and now. after 40-50 years it turns out that:
                that Leopard-2, which hails from the mid-60s (and the concept of application, respectively, from the late 50s, early 60s) turned out to be more "different.
                With huge modernization potential.
                The same Abrams - from the early 70s - also has potential.
                and they will exist in service with Germany, NATO, the United States for another 20-30 years.

                And we are forced to make Armata.
                Spending crazy money to develop and refine the Armata, simply because our concept "didn't last that long."
                And now, in parallel, we are spending money both on Armata and on attempts to maintain 72/80/90 in some kind of near-modern position.

                But there is still no Armata and it will not be 10 years old.

                And 72/80/90 - in the state that it is - cannot be direct competitors to the latest Abrams / Leopards.

                This is called "time lapse" - it is in the accounting department "cash gap" ...


                .
      2. Hermit21
        Hermit21 29 December 2020 19: 42
        +8
        In the T-72 / -90 with a horizontal AZ, the shells in it do not go beyond the upper edge of the tracks, EMNIP. In the T-80 with a vertical MV, this is more complicated, but even there, not everything is hopeless. In general, such a decision was dictated by the experience of the Second World War, according to which 70% of hits were in the tower and the European theater of operations, where AZ would additionally protect the terrain screen of 1,1 m on average
      3. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 30 December 2020 11: 21
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The Yankees, on the other hand, take the BC to the aft niche, where, in which case, it is much less likely to fry the crew.

        The Yankees carried it out, and the Germans left it in their Leopard (to the left of the driver).

        And in Abrams, the driver sits between two fuel tanks, which contain almost a ton of kerosene.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 30 December 2020 11: 54
          -1
          "And in Abrams the driver sits between two tanks with fuel" ///
          ----
          Not sitting, but almost lying. The place is not very good. negative
          Although it is covered in front by uranium armor, which
          extremely difficult.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 30 December 2020 12: 00
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Though covered in front by uranium armor,

            In front, yes, but not very much from above and from the sides. Previously, in general, the board was 20mm, then an additional sheet was welded and now it is about 50mm. Ours, in that place, 80mm + bulwarks are not fake.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 30 December 2020 12: 01
              0
              It's right. Abrams' hull sides are frail.
              Kumma punches them with a bang.
  2. Oden280
    Oden280 29 December 2020 16: 38
    +5
    In any tank, the crew sits on a barrel of gunpowder. And it doesn't matter if there is an automatic loader there or not.
    1. tech3030
      tech3030 29 December 2020 16: 52
      -5
      In the abrams, knockout panels, in the scale of the shells in plastic containers, hold fire for a long time. There is a difference?
      1. Oden280
        Oden280 29 December 2020 16: 59
        +7
        As soon as land mines appeared in the Abrams ammunition except crowbars, there was no difference. And in a merkava, in plastic containers, additional ammunition is stored in the aft compartment.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 December 2020 23: 58
          0
          The Merkava has a semi-automatic drum of 10 shells of first readiness. The rest are stored in fire-fighting containers.
          1. Oden280
            Oden280 30 December 2020 13: 43
            0
            One is enough for everyone.
      2. Hermit21
        Hermit21 29 December 2020 19: 44
        +4
        The panels are saved by deflagrating 1-2 shells. If several OFS breaks - that's it. And in general, Gorelikov will be remelted or repaired
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 29 December 2020 20: 12
          +2
          Quote: Hermit21
          If several OFS breaks - that's it.
          I think, "one tablet" is enough.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 December 2020 23: 57
          0
          Gunpowder in casings or charges ignites and detonates, and the shells simply fly away, if there is somewhere. In Abrams's basket, they lie tipped back. The basket will fly off, but the tank will not catch fire. Although it will get damaged.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 30 December 2020 11: 40
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Gunpowder in casings or charges ignites and detonates, and the shells simply fly away, if there is somewhere.

          2. Oden280
            Oden280 30 December 2020 13: 46
            +2
            When ignited, gunpowder does not detonate, but burns with a very high temperature. The fuses in the OFS and KS detonate. And there the hell is where, what is directed.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 30 December 2020 15: 15
              0
              But the towers fly away precisely from the explosive combustion of gunpowder from charges
              to a closed volume.
            2. Oden280
              Oden280 30 December 2020 19: 12
              +2
              Burning gunpowder burns out all the insides of the tank and explodes shells. From the side, the burning of gunpowder looks like columns of fire from the hatches. The power of burning gunpowder is not enough to throw off the tower. And there is no such term as "explosive combustion" in explosives. Go teach how detonation differs from combustion.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 30 December 2020 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: tech3030
      Knockout panels in abrams

      Why is the flame of burning gunpowder coming from the commander's and loader's hatches (from the fighting compartment)?
  3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 29 December 2020 17: 20
    +2
    Yes, yes, and Turkish leopards in El Bab
    proved it!
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 30 December 2020 06: 49
      +4
      And Arab Abrams in Yemen and Amerovskie in Iraq. Fly away with the souls of the crew.
  4. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 19: 22
    +1
    Quote: Oden280
    In any tank, the crew sits on a barrel of gunpowder. And it doesn't matter if there is an automatic loader there or not.

    I would even say more - a man in war risks LIFE... Did I reveal a secret for someone? Or did someone know about this before me? what
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    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: Old Tanker
      On our tanks, the automatic loader is located in the least vulnerable part of the tank. On Soviet tanks with manual loading, the c / c was generally placed around the entire crew. On German Leopards, the ammo rack is located not only in the turret recess, but also in the front stelade tank, similar to Soviet tanks. In Abrams, part of the ammunition is also located in the fighting compartment. Well, for the crew, there is no particular difference where your b / c will explode, under the ass or behind the back - the outcome is the same and it is lethal. And on a powerful land mine under the bottom, the T-72 and the Abrams are equally disassembled into fragments.

      The most sensible commentary I have read. Available even for the brains repulsed by the troopers. Itself is not fuel oil - the Airborne Forces, therefore it is always pleasant to talk to a living tanker.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 30 December 2020 07: 05
        +5
        Well, it should also be taken into account that if the tank is in a trench or in an ambush covered by folds of terrain, the side-box in our tank is below ground level, and in western vehicles it is displayed above ground level. When flanking fire or turning the tower, intelligent anti-tank crews will inappropriately use this, and that's all. Since the tank is the main target of destruction on the battlefield.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 29 December 2020 17: 37
    +1
    It is unlikely that a black man. More like a lesbian. New times are coming.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 19: 19
    0
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    And the automatic loader was invented? Or, again, a special Negro loader in the carriage?

    Already "-4" Negro-charging on VO showed up ... We look forward to five more Negroes, janitors ...
  • bubasa
    bubasa 30 December 2020 00: 56
    0
    automatic negro machine;)
  • svp67
    svp67 29 December 2020 15: 20
    +12
    Quote: Machete
    Will they be new tanks or upgraded ones?

    Upgraded. They are not going to release new ones.
  • Sandro1977
    Sandro1977 29 December 2020 15: 50
    +5
    Tanks from storage, after repair and modernization
  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 December 2020 14: 49
    0
    "cavalry" is preparing! and then there are so many willing, to enter on that "cavalry" where they were certainly not invited.
    1. bubasa
      bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 09
      -13%
      this cavalry cannot go beyond the gates of the base;)
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 29 December 2020 15: 13
        +3
        Some kind of shapkozakidatelstvo) well, do not underestimate the Americans, they will want to go on blasters, if only they allocated more money!
        1. bubasa
          bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 17
          -13%
          well, it's better my shakozakidstvie than stories about "new" tanks ... they want icebreakers out there, but only the Wishlist falls off, they want to create a vaccine ... in fact they are dying from the vaccine, not covid, spring ... this year showed who pooped where, neither Iran nor North Korea put them in, only our Lyuberda, having pooped in her pants, ran with the "Putin" vaccine to be vaccinated, and what the Omerinagians want there, Russia has not been interested in for a long time ... this is in fact
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 15: 47
          +2
          Quote: hydroy
          don't underestimate the americans

          In my humble understanding, no one is trying to underestimate America, and especially its military power. The problem is that for the last, at least 10 years, they OVEREvaluate themselves. And its military power as well. Cho for an army in which immigrant soldiers are fighting not for their homeland, but for a green card or a bonus for training in a technical school? Eisenhower spins in his coffin like a fan in the heat ...
        3. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 29 December 2020 16: 04
          -7
          they left in Iraq .. Abrams costs like three t72 and it burns from the mestizo just as well in the United States quickly recognized 20 pieces in a few days of loss .. those that were delivered to Iraq and the armor there is the same)) non-obverse) the frontal mestizo bites the old one. Well))
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 29 December 2020 15: 13
        0
        This is while the "crown" rules ... then, as they oklematsya, they will catch up!
        However, their administration will be different and wonder what and how is in their minds, it is not a rewarding business.
        1. bubasa
          bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 20
          -4
          to make up a base is needed, but it is not. As with the stories about the magnificent Omerigan health care, which liberda poured into our ears, but it turned out to be zilch ... and so everywhere, they can only on the assurances of the light-faced "invent" the phon and that's all ... by the way, whoever says "invented" the phon is already diagnosis of his intellect;)
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 December 2020 15: 34
            0
            Guessing is useless.
            They spend a lot of money, and the results ... it's their business.
            1. bubasa
              bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 38
              -11%
              yes, let them spend, I'm just glad;) more for stupid junk, less for a vaccine - it means more will become infected and the Omerigans will die - the planet is cleaner;)
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 15: 51
          -8
          Quote: rocket757
          guessing what and how is in their minds is not rewarding.

          If they had a mind, we would have read fortunes. And so .... If there is a brain in America, then only the spinal cord, as a maximum. So they think to them.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 December 2020 15: 58
            0
            They have brain centers, they do. With its own imperialist logic !!!
            With them, as elsewhere, the TOP do not like to listen to helluva lot of clever advisers, because they think, since they have climbed to the very top, there is no one and nothing to teach them, direct, indicate!
            The whole world rests on this ... because as a helluva lot of clever ruler of a large, strong country, this is a disaster for those around him !!! if that ruler also has ambitions ...
            So sho "can" and his helper, it would even be a blessing if they, with them, did not have such a serious organization as advisors, in which an experienced, intelligent bitch stands out, who is very aware of us and hates with every fiber .. ..
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 16: 01
              -7
              Quote: rocket757
              an experienced, smart bitch who is very knowledgeable about us and hates by every fiber

              In my opinion, I even understood who you, Victor, are talking about. A bitch - that's for sure ... It's better J. Psaki - I miss her, especially - for her knowledge of geography.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 29 December 2020 16: 05
                0
                Psaki is just cute, as they say now. The harm from it is 0, and it also made me laugh.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 16: 20
                  -2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Psaki is just cute, as they say now.

                  "Healing Rostov Mountain air", "American fleet off the coast of Belarus" - this is inimitable and unrepeatable. Even my wife is jealous of her ... I'll save some money and send her to my press secretary ...
                  1. Tsoy
                    Tsoy 29 December 2020 16: 41
                    +2
                    The healing Rostov MOUNTAIN air "," the American fleet off the coast of Belarus "- this is inimitable and unique


                    Really unique, because she didn't say it. All this nonsense about psaki only runs in the Russian Federation.
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 16: 45
                      -2
                      Quote: Choi
                      Really unique, because she didn't say it.

                      So I am blind and deaf. I will not send proofs, drown further behind your beloved Shtatka, and I cannot understand how, blind and deaf, I hit the keyboard. Good luck, Paragraph.
                      1. ender
                        ender 29 December 2020 17: 23
                        +2
                        your physical defects do not in any way affect the fact that both of these quotes are false

                        Back in 2014, in the report of Channel One, the same quote is given: “There is already a series of jokes“ As Psaki stated ”on the Internet, such as: if Belarus invades Ukraine, the US 6th Fleet will be immediately deployed to the shores of Belarus. The State Department is not embarrassed by the fact that Belarus has no shores, said Psaki. " That is, six years ago this statement was presented by the Russian federal television channel as an anecdote.

                    2. Tsoy
                      Tsoy 29 December 2020 17: 58
                      0
                      So I am blind and deaf. I will not send proofs,


                      Apparently so. There are no proofs at all, except in Russian. I can tell the site where the full transcript of the press briefings is laid out. What is strange there are no such statements.
                      What has it to do with drowning for America? It's about lies that have been talking for 6 years. You don't need a lot of intelligence to understand this.
                      1. Thomas N.
                        Thomas N. 30 December 2020 05: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Choi
                        I can tell the site where the full transcript of the press briefings is laid out. What is strange there are no such statements.

                        What's so strange about that? Why include your own mistakes and caveats in the transcript of the briefing? It will be already squared idiocy. laughing
                    3. Guru
                      Guru 30 December 2020 11: 08
                      0
                      Choi (Vlad)
                      You know Vlad, maybe I would agree with you, but I heard and saw it. All my attempts to find it in the record collided with professional trolling, all records of this event were cleaned on YouTube and not only. But Jane Psaki spoke about the Sixth Fleet, it was around 2014. But as I said, ALL RECORDS ARE DELETED or overwritten by trolling.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 December 2020 14: 52
    -5
    The Pentagon will spend about $ 5 billion on the purchase of tanks M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams
    Splashes from the budget for 2021, from 700+ lard. It's nice that by pouring water on the sands of the Sahara for years, you can get an order of magnitude greater effect. repeat
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 16: 08
      -4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The Pentagon will spend about $ 5 billion on the purchase of tanks M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams
      Splashes from the budget for 2021, from 700+ lard. It's nice that watering the sands of the Sahara for years, you can get an order of magnitude more effect. repeat

      What can I say - a rewarding occupation .... If there is nothing else to do.
  • Cron
    Cron 29 December 2020 14: 54
    -2
    "Better buy Bayraktars" - ©
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 29 December 2020 14: 55
      +5
      They have their own shock drones at least chew the booty.
      1. Cron
        Cron 29 December 2020 14: 56
        0
        Quote: BlackMokona
        They have their own shock drones at least chew the booty.

        And there are still no Bayraktars. This is different
      2. hydroy
        hydroy 29 December 2020 15: 02
        0
        Bayraktar is a brand! How? Normal shopaholics don't have this ?????) Not in order! You have to follow the fashion and buy Bayraktar - a guaranteed victory in the conflict! Imba in battle. Superweapon behind.
        "Damocles" sword for the enemy! Excalibur of our time. Flawless doping for the military. Cheat code in real life! Lamba for airspace. SUPERPUPPERMEGAALPHABETAZETAOMEGAULE weapon of our time. You will not understand...
        1. bubasa
          bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 10
          -8
          yes baikatar is a brand ... in Libya, 71 shells landed;)
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2020 15: 24
            +5
            Quote: bubasa
            in Libya, 71 pieces of armor landed

            Yes, yes ... the truth is, there have never been so many of them, but they "landed".
            During the whole new "Karabakh" conflict, these "serpentines" performed about 200 sorties, and the "outdated" Rooks - about 600, and if we compare the bomb load ...
            But "brand" is "brand"
            1. bubasa
              bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 28
              -12%
              never happened at all, "ichtamnets" are Turkish, you can say halva as much as you like ...
              Baikatars are just advertising, efficiency in comparison with mines and ATGMs is not even close ... so it's no secret that there were mercenaries on both sides, and that's what surprisingly Baikatars somehow turned into garbage in the area of ​​operation of Russian mercenaries ... word
            2. Evil Booth
              Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 54
              -4
              shells officially knocked down more than half of targets from Libya, shot down drones showed every day in packs of 10 weeks ... they are very large, but broken shells are actually confirmed and not a few cartoons.
            3. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 16: 15
              -1
              Quote: svp67
              "outdated" "Rooks"

              Exactly that "outdated"... As I remember the painting by A. Savrasov now "The Rooks Have Arrived" - there was a reproduction in the textbook on the Russian language, the essay was written in the 5th grade.
              1. svp67
                svp67 29 December 2020 16: 53
                +2
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Precisely that "obsolete"

                But nevertheless, the contribution of these "outdated" bombs to the defeat of the Armenian group is very significant, very ... It is even difficult for me to imagine how many hundreds of tons of dropped bombs were destroyed by them, including guided bombs.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 18: 29
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  It's even hard for me to imagine how many were destroyed by them

                  It is not for me, Sergei, to tell how we in Kandahar, Kunduz and Herat waited for the "Rooks to arrive". More than expected, probably, only "mum" - dear Mi-8. Which will bring food and drink, and ammunition, and take 200-300. soldier drinks
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 29 December 2020 15: 13
          +1
          Taki Bayraktar turned out to be almost half of American and European components. And what for they essentially buy their own?
          1. hydroy
            hydroy 29 December 2020 15: 14
            -4
            What are you, the logistics are there, buying on favorable terms (kickbacks) and much more)
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 29 December 2020 15: 16
              0
              Ah, well, that's different. ))))
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 15: 54
          -4
          Quote: hydroy
          SUPERPUPPERMEGAALPHABETAZETAOMEGAULE weapon of our time. You will not understand...

          By cons I see - people have forgotten the word "sarcasm". A fat plus from me.
  • Guru
    Guru 29 December 2020 15: 07
    +1
    The tank has a manual-loading 120mm smoothbore cannon. It is said to be capable of firing at both ground vehicles and low-flying enemy aircraft.
    I don’t understand. The Americans, that they brought the radar to the Abrams?
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 29 December 2020 15: 42
      0
      I don’t understand. The Americans, that they brought the radar to the Abrams?

      No, just charging Negro retrained. Now, before each shot, he leans out of the hatch and looks at what to load the gun with, a land mine or surface-to-air missile.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 December 2020 15: 57
      -5
      Quote: Guru
      I didn't understand Americans that the radar on the Abrams is privИnti?

      Well, something like a hybrid of a hedgehog and a snake - a meter of barbed wire. Also news to me - the tank was able to find the guard ...
  • bubasa
    bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 08
    -12%
    the purchase implies new tanks, and this is from M1A1 canned food upgraded to the sep v3 level, well, Omerigania has no more opportunity to produce new tanks, and so the tanks taken from storage have long been junk, they will collect 2 of 3-1 tanks due to the fact that from these tanks have already been removed, which is for existing tanks ... so 2-3 is still optimistic, even the engines will be figuratively soaked in kerosene, so what kind of resource it will have ... it will be cool if they get to the bases on their own where they stand to the parking lot ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 29 December 2020 15: 15
      +2
      Well, they still have a lot of canned food. They do not burn so often, the loss is small ... they will fight with an equal enemy with them ... but why not modernize?
      1. bubasa
        bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 25
        -4
        don't burn very often? hmmm, in my opinion, over the past year, so much has burned that even canned food will not help, you need to get canned food washed from the second one remove everything that can be missing from the third one ...
  • spirit
    spirit 29 December 2020 15: 09
    +5
    It looks like everything goes to the fact that KAZ trophy will become the most massive active defense system for the next 10 years.
    1. bubasa
      bubasa 29 December 2020 15: 22
      -9
      this kaz trophy is as old as the first Soviet ones in the 60s and was built the same way ... Russia is already the third generation, and they are dragging this corpse from the pelvis to the pelvis
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 29 December 2020 15: 10
    +2
    That is, they should not expect a new generation either in the next decade or 20 years for sure.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 December 2020 16: 49
      -1
      Quite right. Even those that are they do not need become. The ILC refuses them altogether.
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 29 December 2020 15: 14
    +2
    The tank has a hand-loaded 120 mm smoothbore cannon.

    Reading about the next modernization of Abrams (Yes, and the Leopard, the same), I remember stories from my childhood about one space captain. He once had a case: during a flight from one galaxy to another, the ship's clock stopped on his starship. And all navigation is tied to the ship's clock. The clock was very reliable: with a pendulum, weights - everything was as it should be, but the captain forgot to start them (did not pull the weights on time) ...

    So with these tanks: super electronics, laser rangefinders, panoramic sights, satellite orientation, encrypted data exchange between tanks and the command. And the loader.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 29 December 2020 15: 17
      +2
      They tried to put AZ there like. Something didn’t work, or it didn’t work out. I remember trying, why not, I don't remember.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 29 December 2020 15: 23
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        They tried to put AZ there like.

        Try what you tried
        but so far
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 53
          -1
          he is not in a respirator (hello to the anti-mastochnik!) means training shells or there are no uranium in the BC.
        2. Leon68
          Leon68 29 December 2020 19: 33
          +2
          You have a picture of some kind on the left. There should be a Negro, and your yong absent. Disorder!
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 29 December 2020 19: 36
            +4
            Quote: Leon68
            There should be a Negro, and your yong absent.

            New trends: commander negro.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 29 December 2020 16: 52
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        Something went wrong, or didn’t work.

        The need for MBT AZ is a controversial issue. The presence of a loader numb many pluses. AZ is not a problem at all, but in their opinion, the advantages of the loader are superior to the advantages of AZ.
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 29 December 2020 19: 56
          +1
          And cons. The need to allocate additional volume for it> more weight and dimensions. Fatigue, the inability to perform their functions in motion when the stabilizer is operating, heavy physical labor is highly discouraged during irradiation, and it is not clear what the West was counting on, knowing that the war, perhaps, would be nuclear
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 5 January 2021 11: 38
            0
            Quote: Hermit21
            And cons. The need to allocate additional volume for it> more weight and dimensions. Fatigue, the inability to perform their functions in motion when the stabilizer is operating, heavy physical labor is highly discouraged during irradiation, and it is not clear what the West was counting on, knowing that the war, perhaps, would be nuclear


            It is believed that a trained loader will provide a higher rate of fire in the first 2-3 minutes of a tank battle.
            Which is an overwhelming advantage in the modern concept of transient combat.
    2. Thomas N.
      Thomas N. 30 December 2020 05: 45
      +1
      After damage to the automatic loader (without the explosion of ammunition), the tank leaves the front line and is sent for repair. After "damage" to the loader (not necessarily combat), the loader is temporarily replaced by any soldier with suitable physical training. No lengthy training is required, a short briefing is sufficient.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 29 December 2020 15: 42
    -3
    It will be interesting to test Bassoons, Metis and Competitions on it.
  • Note
    Note 29 December 2020 15: 46
    +4
    And by the way, the modification is a very serious and understandable matter that although they no longer produce tanks, there are only a lot of them. After all, if the amount of 5 billion is divided even by a maximum of 10 million, then you get 500 pieces. Even for five or six years. This figure makes you wonder.
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 52
      -7
      that as a result, combat-ready Abrams will become 1500? hello to you shmulik! thanks for the timely minus 1 for every post as i am online. as soon as you have mastered pulling out the hatch from the armata, do not forget to charge the tiliphone
      1. Note
        Note 29 December 2020 16: 09
        +2
        I don't even know what to tell you. Let's say if 1500 pcs. Which is already a lot for a potential enemy. But there are more than one and a half thousand of them, and the enemy is by no means one. So any such news causes rejection, and the desire to have an advantage in this, or any other component of the aircraft.
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 29 December 2020 18: 21
          -3
          Aktvinny Abrams 1000 on bmpd)) why not? They actually had some kind of proof there. in any case lopards less than 300 with others the same.
        2. Hermit21
          Hermit21 29 December 2020 19: 58
          +1
          One and a half thousand are. 10 brigades in SV, 5 in NG. The Marines were recently taken away. Of course, there is something in storage, but here the Americans are not leaders either.
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 52
    -8
    so this shed still only has 650mm hulls on the forehead, which are quite good at breaking through. all the more, getting at an angle you will get into 550 or these 650, but only in some of them (in fact, the VLD is 50 + fuel + 30) and the angle of inclination is 82 (by the way, not 8, but they like to write they say t34 is not 60 but 30) well, these. . patriots =)).
    there is still no OFZ, but there was an imitation of TUR and DZ straight, almost kka t64) Jewish KAZ could not.
    As before, the T90 s88goda has a forehead of 830 against the penetration of the Abrams from the 90s to 800.
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 59
    -5
    I just remembered. there is no air defense in NATO, which means that at least someone is taking them out from the air and at least with anything. over there, 25 missiles flew into a bunch of patriots and everything was on target. on the near air defense there is an anti-aircraft missile system)))
    even on discovery, they said more than once they say that mi24 will hit f15 rather than vice versa, because the difference in speed is low and for a number of other reasons ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 29 December 2020 16: 03
    0
    It turned out quite a decent tank. It is already entering the troops at full speed.
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 29 December 2020 18: 21
      -4
      not having art sanryadov this is an inferior PTSAU ... why are there actually bombers and air defense in NATO, too, is mute.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 December 2020 16: 03
    0
    and on low-flying enemy aircraft.

    From a tank gun and airplanes, yeah. I know there have been such cases, but purposefully, this is something. recourse
    1. Note
      Note 29 December 2020 16: 27
      +1
      Rocket, with gsn. The development is not very new anymore. Launching through the gun, by means of a small powder charge in the rocket body itself. Well, as for the goals, in principle, of course, American developers do not strongly advertise this device, but they do not hide the fact that some elements of the headlights are installed on this modification. How it works, on each tank individually or in combination with something I do not know.
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 29 December 2020 17: 48
        0
        and it is also possible that this is a side effect of installing a trophy
        1. Note
          Note 30 December 2020 12: 17
          0
          Perhaps this is a further development of these subsystems on land vehicles, and most of the manufacturers of these complexes have probably already taken this path. It's nice to meet an intelligent person.
    2. Note
      Note 29 December 2020 16: 57
      +1
      Yes, there are also shells with remote detonation when installing the programmer on the gun. Well, that is, if you shoot towards a low-flying and low-speed target, then it is quite possible to inflict significant damage with a huge number of damaging elements.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 December 2020 16: 06
    0
    The plant was then dismantled in Detroit ...
    Most likely, the modernization of old, new ones in the USA is not, and is not yet expected))
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 29 December 2020 16: 15
    0
    which the M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams can overcome before the next refueling process.
    The next refueling process after point-to-point traffic has been prolonged. Ugh.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 29 December 2020 16: 16
    -5
    At sky-high American prices, this will be a maximum of 600 tanks. At the same time, our T-90M, which surpasses Abrams, costs 4 times cheaper
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 29 December 2020 18: 22
      -2
      itut you ah "unexpectedly" hung cons .. guess whose freedom of speech in Runet? and why in China and Cheburnet and even the epidemic already ended in the spring
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 29 December 2020 16: 48
    +6
    The tank is dangerous, considering that now the Americans have saved it from its main shortcomings. Again, the new hinged armor and the centric communication system.
    In tank duels with the T-72, I'm afraid Abrams will emerge victorious.
    Since he has a better sighting system and a longer range of the gun, and the Abrams crew receives reconnaissance data directly from aircraft, reconnaissance, and drones.
    Yes, and also gained protection against pturs
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 30 December 2020 10: 22
      0
      In tank duels with the T-72, I'm afraid Abrams will emerge victorious.

      In tank duels, the winner will be an ATGM operator who is entrenched in the ruins / bushes / behind a hill.
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 29 December 2020 21: 18
    0
    Fuel efficiency - diesel engine.
    As practice shows, the Americans have come up with something deadly and effective, and to underestimate the enemy is more dear to themselves, it is better to overestimate its capabilities and be ready to repel them.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 December 2020 21: 30
    +2
    On this version, KAZ is not visible.
    And without KAZ these bells and whistles - a dead poultice.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 29 December 2020 21: 42
      +1
      Perhaps there is an option to mount KAZ if necessary.
      Of the interesting things, the M1A2 SEPv3 has an integrated electronic warfare system against IEDs and radio-controlled mines.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 30 December 2020 11: 55
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      On this version, KAZ is not visible.

      Isn't this a radar from KAZ?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 December 2020 11: 59
        0
        For this, I posted this photo. Yes, this is Trophy's radar.
        But there is no KAZ in the article on the photo. Nor is it in the description of this v3.
        So I was surprised. After all, Abrams with KAZs are already in Germany and Poland.
        1. Note
          Note 30 December 2020 12: 22
          -1
          Perhaps there is something you don't know? And what looks like a trophy radar is actually somewhat different, so to speak, a trial product?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 30 December 2020 13: 28
            0
            The Trophy is installed on the Abrams.
            Here is a detailed explanation.
            The layout is not the same as on the Merkava.
            It was developed specifically for the Abrams.
        2. Note
          Note 30 December 2020 12: 23
          0
          Do not rush to answer, make inquiries. And maybe with your help we can find out something interesting
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 30 December 2020 12: 05
        0
        Here is a photo of the M1A2 SEPv3. It looks like KAZ can be hung if necessary.

        The black cylinder looks like an electronic warfare antenna. By the way, they can conflict with the trophy.
  • Diverter
    Diverter 29 December 2020 22: 47
    0
    still hesitate to ask. judging by the text there will be new tanks. eeeee in Egypt it will be cheap to buy?))) in the mattress there is no technical possibility of manufacturing tanks. only modernization. or learned to do? explain who is more aware.
  • Andrey83
    Andrey83 29 December 2020 22: 54
    0
    How many tanks can be upgraded for 5 lard? Is that all?