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The modernized "Antaeus" doubled the number of missiles

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The modernized "Antaeus" doubled the number of missiles

The modernized "Antaeus" doubled the number of missiles. As reported TASS with reference to a source in the shipbuilding area, new missiles have replaced the Granit anti-ship missiles at the Irkutsk nuclear submarine.


The strike capabilities of the Project 949A Antey nuclear submarine Irkutsk have doubled. Instead of 24 Granit anti-ship missiles, the submarine after modernization will receive 48 Caliber, Onyx and Zircon missiles, which are currently being tested. In this case, the range of missiles used by the submarine will depend on the task being performed.

In the course of modernization, Irkutsk will become not just a submarine of Project 949AM, but instead of 24 anti-ship missiles, Granit will be able to carry 48 fundamentally new missiles Caliber-PL, Onyx and Zircon, that is, the submarine will be able to strike and coastal targets

- the agency leads the words of the source.

The fact that the nuclear submarine "Irkutsk" after returning to the Pacific Ocean fleet will be able to use the latest hypersonic missiles "Zircon" reported back in November last year. This was reported by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, who visited the Zvezda Far East plant in Bolshoy Kamen, Primorsky Territory, and got acquainted with the progress of the repair and modernization of the submarine.

At the same time it was reported that the multipurpose nuclear submarine of project 949A ("Antey") "Irkutsk" will be upgraded to the level of 949AM. The return of the nuclear submarine to the Pacific Fleet is planned in 2023.

Recall that the Irkutsk nuclear submarine was put into reserve in 1997 pending repairs, and in November 2001 the submarine was transferred to Bolshoy Kamen at the Zvezda shipyard. In fact, the repair and modernization of the nuclear submarine began in 2019.
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  1. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 29 December 2020 10: 50
    +29
    It pleases))) more such news !!!!
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 29 December 2020 10: 56
      +52
      When in 97 year "Irkutsk" was withdrawn to the reserve, it meant 90% that it would be cut into scrap metal. Thank God, this nuclear submarine will most likely avoid this fate and in 2023 (even later) we will see a modernized submarine! good
      1. Temples
        Temples 29 December 2020 11: 28
        +23
        The modernized "Antaeus" doubled the number of missiles


        The time machine is working! fellow
        News from 2023.

        Increased - when done.
        In the meantime, they only plan to do it.

        But a report for the new year is needed !!! laughing

        Balabol.
        1. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 29 December 2020 11: 39
          +14
          I will add
          The main command of the Russian Navy plans to add seven Antey nuclear submarines (nuclear submarines) of projects 2023A and 949AM to the submarine forces of the Northern and Pacific fleets by the end of 949, a source in the military-industrial complex said.

          “By the specified date (2023), six nuclear submarines of project 949A will undergo technical repairs, and the nuclear submarine Irkutsk will be modernized according to project 949AM,” TASS quotes a source in the military-industrial complex.
          1. Volder
            Volder 29 December 2020 12: 56
            +9
            Quote: seregin-s1
            By the indicated date (2023), six nuclear submarines of project 949A will undergo technical repairs, and nuclear submarine Irkutsk will be modernized according to project 949AM
            But what about the K-442 "Chelyabinsk", which was also planned to be upgraded to version 949AM? To be honest, I can't imagine how the plant can simultaneously work on several submarines.
            1. Charik
              Charik 29 December 2020 19: 05
              -4
              but this will not be-I promise-promise-promised
              1. Local from the Volga
                Local from the Volga 30 December 2020 00: 15
                +1
                You then go on the couch to patch up your shed though!
                1. Charik
                  Charik 30 December 2020 12: 30
                  -1
                  or what you yourself Vanga, as you know from the Volga-that I have a barn on the Don
                2. hrych
                  hrych 30 December 2020 12: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: Local from the Volga
                  patch up your shed though!

                  good First you need to understand that Granites have not evaporated, their supply is for all Antaeus. Moreover, these missiles have a range of over half a thousand kilometers and a power of up to half a megaton. She changed her specialization from auga thresher to strikes against stationary, ground targets. Although the bending of the relief is not his specialty, however, to smudge the coastal cities and bases, this is not required. And since our probable enemy, completely coastal and all the main megacities of the West, and the East on the coast, or very close, then this instrument in combination with Antaeus has not exhausted its resource and surpasses Caliber, Onyx and Zircon at least in power, which means the radius of destruction in an explosion ... Therefore, as an option, replacing not all PUs and leaving one Anthea and Granite and Calibroonixzircon in the nomenclature will only add versatility and power. Therefore, the news can be interpreted that not all launchers will replace the contents of Irkutsk.
            2. Vlad is short
              Vlad is short 31 December 2020 20: 19
              0
              Why can't it?
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 29 December 2020 12: 57
            +15
            Quote: seregin-s1
            By the indicated date (2023), six nuclear submarines of project 949A will undergo technical repairs, and nuclear submarine Irkutsk will be modernized according to project 949AM

            That is, the 949AM modernization program has failed miserably. By the way, what about Chelyabinsk? It turns out, instead of modernization - also at the HTG? And of all the "Anteyevs" we will have only one AM?
            First they wanted - 6, then - 4, now ...
            1. bayard
              bayard 29 December 2020 21: 00
              -1
              Yes, and with the number of new missiles, it is somehow not as optimistic as a little earlier - they promised that there will be 72 CD, but there will be 48 ... That is, when they promised, they did not calculate the weights - two Onyxes weigh even a little more than one "Granite", where there are 3 ... especially "Zircon", which are even heavier.
              And this is the level of planning and organization of work.
              This is the level of competence.
              I wonder what the reason will be now? Is it lack of capacity and personnel, or insufficient funding?
              When there is money for the construction of nuclear power plants for other states, pipelines to nowhere and the construction of a bridge to Sakhalin, but there is no money to restore the combat readiness of the fleet ... this is quality.
              Quality of leadership.
              And will the fleet have so many old missile launchers to arm these rebuilt missile carriers?
              1. don carleone
                don carleone 29 December 2020 23: 25
                0
                And with the number of new missiles, it is somehow not as optimistic as a little earlier - they promised that there will be 72 CD, and there will be 48


                Yes, in fact, it will be 96. And this is information for suckers (Americans).
                As Suvorov said: "To surprise is to win!"
              2. Grits
                Grits 30 December 2020 05: 16
                +1
                Quote: bayard
                and the construction of a bridge to Sakhalin, but no money

                I have nothing against the bridge. Otherwise, I agree.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 30 December 2020 08: 20
                  -2
                  Yes, and I don't really have anything against the bridge itself, the question is in priorities. In today's difficult international situation, and when the social cauldron of "popular pleasure" threatens to explode with something bad, budgetary funds should go to defense and social issues in the first place.
                  What's the use of a bridge to Sakhalin if there is nothing to guard it? When will the Japanese remember that they used to be on Sakhalin already "Panuvali" and decide to repeat the exploits of the RYAV?
                  What will be the use of all the projects of the last time, if from the coming nationwide happiness and pleasure the cap of the people's patience is ripped off under the leadership of the next (and all the same well-wishers)?
                  If, according to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the People do not have enough funds for food?
                  After all, this People, if anything happens, will have to fight.
                  No.
                  Not the "elite" will send their children to the front, as did Stalin from the Sarats?
                  And the fact that they decided to limit themselves to repairs may be for the better (if there are still enough old missiles), because it will save both money and time for returning to service. Serving these cruisers anyway after repairs for 10 - 15 years at most.
                  ... And modernization, both in terms of time and money, could result in the amount and timing of the construction of several new ships ...
            2. Lex_is
              Lex_is 29 December 2020 21: 21
              +3
              By the specified date (2023), six nuclear submarines of Project 949A will undergo technical repairs


              Something is wrong, the flight of the commander's thought is not clear ...
              There are seven 949A in total.
              K-186 "Omsk" in 2019 came out of repair.
              K-266 "Eagle" in 2017, 2 more in 2014

              Are they going to be repaired again until 2023?
              1. Momotomba
                Momotomba 30 December 2020 07: 27
                0
                Quote: Lex_is
                Are they going to be repaired again until 2023?

                And what is stopping you?
                1. Lex_is
                  Lex_is 30 December 2020 07: 56
                  0
                  A 10 year overhaul cycle interferes.
                  No, of course there are no obstacles for patriots, it is possible to drive a new one into repairs in a year, but it is highly desirable that there is still time for military service among the repairs.
                  1. Momotomba
                    Momotomba 30 December 2020 20: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Lex_is
                    it is desirable that there is time for military service among the repairs.

                    At one time, some journalists shouted joyfully that our boats are so good that they can perform their tasks while standing at the wall ... And you mean combat boats ...
          3. Charik
            Charik 29 December 2020 19: 05
            -1
            another blablabla
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 29 December 2020 11: 48
          -10%
          This is a PL and not a Lego. If such changes are made to the design, they will not play back. Dodged in the modernization project that is already underway)
          This was reported by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, who visited the Zvezda Far East plant in Bolshoy Kamen, Primorsky Territory, and got acquainted with the progress of the repair and modernization of the submarine. Kindergarten...
        3. URAL72
          URAL72 29 December 2020 11: 53
          +5
          So maybe they increased it - they installed the launchers. And until 2023 there are a lot of other works, for example, a reactor, gearboxes, shafts, but can you list everything? I just don't understand why they doubled it, like they wrote about 72 calibers. The container is round, where two are there and three can be shoved ...
          1. Temples
            Temples 29 December 2020 11: 58
            -1
            Quote: URAL72
            I just don't understand why they doubled it, like they wrote about 72 calibers. The container is round, where two are there and three can be shoved ...

            Doctor, give me pills for greed.
            Yes, more! laughing
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          3. Alex777
            Alex777 29 December 2020 14: 00
            +3
            I just don't understand why they doubled it, like they wrote about 72 calibers. The container is round, where two are there and three can be shoved ...

            You can shove it in, but it's a lot of money (or water, until the KR is made) in vain for a boat ride.
            Since 949AM is planned one (before it was about 4), then, most likely, Zircons will be there.
            And 48 Zircons is a lot. You may not find so many goals. hi
            And according to the Zircons, there was a rumor that their 2 modifications would be, normal and heavy, with a more powerful accelerator. Apparently these 3 did not fit.
            I heard out of the corner of my ear that 2 Boreas with CD will do.
            Such Boreas can make a lot of rustle.
            1. Charik
              Charik 29 December 2020 19: 08
              -2
              48 circuses is yes - only one apl is about nothing at all
              1. Local from the Volga
                Local from the Volga 30 December 2020 00: 17
                -1
                you would be a renegade in 93m on the Northern Fleet, so that you would die of hunger!
                1. Grits
                  Grits 30 December 2020 05: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Local from the Volga
                  you would be a renegade in 93m on the Northern Fleet, so that you would die of hunger!

                  Personally, for example, in the 90s I spent perpetual business trips in Severodvinsk on the construction and repair of nuclear submarines - nothing, survived, did not die. smile
            2. Grits
              Grits 30 December 2020 05: 23
              +1
              Quote: Alex777
              I heard out of the corner of my ear that 2 Boreas with CD will do.
              Such Boreas can make a lot of rustle.

              If you had heard out of your ears that the Sharks would be remade for the carriers of "Calibers", then the price would not have been for your ear. wink All the same, they are dangling as a dead weight in the amount of 3 units.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 30 December 2020 10: 00
                0
                As carriers of CD, Sharks are meaningless - they are too big.
                IMHO, the fate of the Sharks will be decided depending on the fate of the OSV-3 (4).
                I heard out of my ear that if the States were cut off, they could be returned to duty. hi
          4. Angry
            Angry 29 December 2020 19: 38
            +6
            They also have six TA, and racks for 28 torpedoes / missiles. It is clear that she does not need so many torpedoes now, no one will send them to the Ocean, because they make a lot of noise, they will not become hunters for aircraft carriers, the Ash will be engaged in this, but when working from their terrorists, replace most of the torpedo ammunition with SLCMs can. And so of course, they will do it on all Antaeus.
          5. bayard
            bayard 29 December 2020 21: 17
            +2
            Quote: URAL72
            I just don't understand why they doubled it, like they wrote about 72 calibers. The container is round, where two are there and three can be shoved ...

            Yes, it looks like they do not need "Caliber". Perhaps only a few in the PLUR version. "Caliber" is a weapon for land and coastal targets, and the task of "Baton" is hunting for AUG and KUG. For these purposes "Onyx" and "Zircon" are needed. But they are much heavier than "Caliber" - up to four and at least 4,5 tons, respectively. Therefore, in terms of weight load, it will only be possible to change one for two.
            And that's why they didn't say about it before, but continued to pour about 72 new CDs ... Perhaps it's just a wind from the journalists, and there were former Wishlist.
            Or perhaps they simply decided not to delay repairs and restoration with modernization and return the SSGN as quickly as possible, as it is. request
            Times are hectic.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 29 December 2020 23: 58
              0
              Quote: bayard
              And that's why they didn't say about it before, but continued to pour about 72 new CDs ...

              These figures seemed to be like "sharks", but they never decided to remake them for calibers / onyxes / zircons. And the journalists, as always, heard the ringing ...
              1. bayard
                bayard 30 December 2020 08: 32
                +3
                Quote: Albert1988
                These figures are kind of like "sharks"

                There was no talk at all about "Sharks" in this regard, and they would fit from 140 to 200 KR. It was about the fact that in the PU KR "Granite" it is possible to cram in dimensions 3 KR "Onyx" or "Caliber", hence the number 72. In terms of dimensions, it seems to be included, but the weight turns out to be much more ... But they announced 72 missiles quite officially, and not just the crack of journalists, but ... in terms of weight, only 2 "Onyx" \ "Zircon" were included. request
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 30 December 2020 18: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: bayard
                  In terms of size, it seems to be included, but the weight is much more ...

                  So you, in fact, voiced everything)))
          6. Yuri V.A
            Yuri V.A 30 December 2020 03: 11
            0
            "... where there are two, there are three" - it's like in the fable about the furrier and the greedy Vartan, who asked for two, three hats from one skin ... in the end, they converged on seven, only they came to another warhead.
          7. Grits
            Grits 30 December 2020 05: 21
            +1
            Quote: URAL72
            I just don't understand why they doubled it, like they wrote about 72 calibers. The container is round, where two are there and three can be shoved ...

            So it is not necessary to cram new missiles into a container from under the "Granite". You can pile a new one. And under three and under four and under five missiles - just to get into the space between the buildings and those. equipment. And who says that a round container is an axiom? Who prevents to make it square (pentagonal, triangular)?
            I don’t understand something else - can "Caliber", "Onyx", "Zircon" be launched obliquely or only vertically. After all, the entire structure of the boat is designed for inclined launch containers and it is unlikely that they can be placed otherwise.
            1. bayard
              bayard 30 December 2020 08: 43
              +3
              Quote: Gritsa
              So it is not necessary to cram new missiles into a container from under the "Granite". You can pile a new one.

              It is possible to pile, but what will it result in?
              For money and time?
              For old ships that serve 10 - 15 years at most?
              In addition, the ship will have a completely different weight distribution, you will have to make changes to the project itself ... it is irrational.
              Quote: Gritsa
              I don’t understand something else - can "Caliber", "Onyx", "Zircon" be launched obliquely or only vertically.

              Maybe the Onyx was originally tested with slanted launchers. But this will entail some changes in the launch algorithm and some design changes in the launch upgrade of the rocket itself.
              It's just that it would all make sense if they took care of it and STARTED 10 years ago, when these submarines had a large supply of resources. Now, apparently, they decided that on such old boats it is no longer advisable. It is more profitable to repair these, return them to operation, and build new ones with the saved funds.
              1. Grits
                Grits 30 December 2020 09: 19
                0
                Quote: bayard
                It is more profitable to repair these, return them to operation, and build new ones with the saved funds.

                It may be more profitable, but less effective. In addition, it seems that Granites have not been produced for a long time.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 30 December 2020 10: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Gritsa
                  "Granites" seem to be out of production for a long time

                  So I am about the same. How many are in stock and what condition are they in? After all, they should be enough for training launches.
                  Quote: Gritsa
                  It may be more profitable, but less effective.

                  And what is the inefficiency of building new ships instead of modernizing very old ones? Moreover, when the modernization of such monsters at a price almost reaches the cost of a new one (but not "Ash" of course).
                  And what exactly do you mean by new (which are less effective)?
                  Ash?
                  Yes, this miracle costs as much as two Boreas and has 40 cruise missiles on board and 10 torpedoes less than the Shchuka-B or 949 pr.
                  But what prevents from pledging on the saved funds ... "Boreas" with CD in the launchers from the BR?
                  In this case, we will get a submarine with a water jet, 112 KR, 40 torpedoes (or KR, including a caliber of 533 mm), low noise, with a good HAK and half the price of the notorious "Ash-M". yes
                  And such plans have already been announced.
                  On a good level, it was precisely such SSGNs that had to be laid instead of the "Ash", and as MAPLs - PLA in the dimension of 945 pr. - they are smaller, cheaper at times and could become massive (which is what is needed for MAPL).
        4. Volder
          Volder 29 December 2020 12: 48
          -3
          Quote: Temples
          The time machine is working! News from 2023.
          In the meantime, they only plan to do it.
          But a report for the new year is needed !! Balabols.
          Are you suggesting that the MO representatives shut up and not voice their plans? But then let all other countries not voice their plans for the years ahead.
        5. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 30 December 2020 00: 14
          -3
          People like you have forgotten what our sailors and other troops ate in the 95th year!
        6. Lex_is
          Lex_is 30 December 2020 08: 00
          -1
          This is not a report, it was the official who brought a difficult visit to the plant with a working visit, where he was told a lot of new and interesting things, which he hurried to share with journalists. laughing
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 29 December 2020 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: TermNachTER
      more such news !!!!

      K NG smile
    3. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 19: 03
      -1
      New Year's fairy tale for children
    4. RealPilot
      RealPilot 29 December 2020 19: 58
      +5
      Not for scrap! This is the main thing.

      To squander the fleet, and even pay extra for the disposal of good ships - it's just a crime! stop
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 29 December 2020 10: 51
    +9
    It takes a long time, of course, four years to modernize. The Navy lacks multipurpose nuclear submarines anyway. It would be nice to speed up the process.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 29 December 2020 12: 27
      +7
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Long course, four years for modernization

      well, if you consider that in 4 years they will build according to Borey and Ash, and + also modify according to Antey, then in full the time frame ... this is provided that they will not move anything
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 December 2020 12: 44
      +6
      Interesting ... and someone "coughs" such a "question" ...: "Granites" -24 pieces ... and how many warheads? 500 kilos will be? "Onyx" we take twice as much-48! And the shikoko warhead? 200 kg? So how many "granites" can you reliably destroy an aircraft carrier ... and how many "onyxes" ...? what This is me on the question of the ratio of "quantity and quality"! Most were interested in quantity ... fellow and what do people think about quality? wink
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 29 December 2020 12: 51
        +3
        Not everyone can understand "cough")
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 29 December 2020 13: 07
          +4
          Quote: Alien From
          Not everyone can understand "cough")

          Who could not understand, let him watch more Soviet cinema! yes We need to raise the cultural level! winked
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 29 December 2020 13: 11
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Interesting ... and someone "coughs" such a "question" ...: "Granites" -24 pieces ... and how many warheads? 500 kilos will be? "Onyx" we take twice as much-48! And the shikoko warhead? 200 kg? So how many "granites" can you reliably destroy an aircraft carrier ... and how many "onyxes" ...? what This is me on the question of the ratio of "quantity and quality"! Most were interested in quantity ... fellow and what do people think about quality? wink

        People think that the probability of hitting will increase. Let's hope that at least one out of 48 will break through. And in general, if granite is really anti-ship, then there is no caliber and zircon
        1. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 29 December 2020 13: 33
          +4
          An aircraft carrier is a barrel of kerosene. It depends on where to go.)
          1. Charik
            Charik 29 December 2020 19: 11
            -1
            but what if there are 10 cruisers with this kerosene barrel, how many circus performers out of 48 will break through to her
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 29 December 2020 22: 28
              0
              Quote: Charik
              10 cruisers - how many circus performers out of 48 will break through to her


              ALL! For there is nothing to shoot down hypersound yet ...
            2. Grits
              Grits 30 December 2020 05: 34
              +2
              Quote: Charik
              but what if there are 10 cruisers with this kerosene barrel, how many circus performers out of 48 will break through to her

              All "Granites" fly to the "barrel". And only after its destruction are they retrained as destroyers of cruisers. That is how his brain works.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 December 2020 15: 39
          +3
          Quote: Pilat2009
          the probability of hitting will increase. let's hope that out of 48 at least one will break through. and in general, if granite is really anti-ship, then the caliber and zircon are not

          If the plan is implemented (and it will be so!), Then the amam will have a hard time. When the FP level drops to the level of the 4th generation PLA, the 949AM will become a really formidable machine. The very tactics of combat use will change! The same is necessary: ​​in one bottle - 3M22, which break into air defense and inflict defeat (damage) on the main ships of the order. And 3M55 is breaking into the development of success !!! It will be something enchanting!

          1. Charik
            Charik 29 December 2020 19: 14
            +3
            nonsense for children - one Antey against AUG with 2-3 nuclear submarines, a dozen cruisers and all kinds of aviation in the air within a radius of 1000 km
            1. Yves762
              Yves762 29 December 2020 20: 21
              0
              "Hit - & - run"; to cause damage, so that AUG "changed its mind" is enough. what
              Well, not everything comes down to "squadron battle". request
              And to charge any "local" sufferers from a nearby puddle ... wassat
              1. Charik
                Charik 29 December 2020 20: 30
                -1
                First, 'hitnie' so as not to notice and then maybe you will run away, what is it, from what distance you can shoot so that the missiles go to the targets as needed, who will give the control center, after launching so many AUG missiles, it will already be in full combat readiness to reflect the blow and at the same time, Irkutsk will already have to hide from the enemy's aviation - if it is not eaten by the AUG guard submarines before the missiles are launched, so there is no need to dream that if 949 in the amount of ONE unit are filled with 50 Zircon missiles (which are not yet known how where why) - you can defeat the AUG-lonely Avik-yes, of course you can-but such fools do not go one by one, as some think
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 29 December 2020 22: 13
              +3
              Quote: Charik
              bullshit for kids-one Antey against AUG with 2-3 nuclear submarines, ten cruisers and all kinds of aviation in the air within a radius of up to 1000 km

              Charik, for you, a very "grown-up":
              1. Nobody talked about Antaeus alone. They talked about changing the combat use of such units. So, there will be 2-3 ones. In general, it is proposed to revive anti-aircraft divisions of SSGNs in the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, at least 4 units in each.
              2. There may be 1-2 submarines in the guard of AUG, but it is not a fact that they will surely come across 949AM. The sea has such a characteristic as "hydrology". This is not a field or a sky. This is the Sea!
              3. About a dozen cruisers - frankly - I smiled! ... Look at the typical AUG, then write posts.
              4. About all kinds of aviation. PLO aviation is really dangerous. But now the Vikings are gone, and the Sea Kings did not come out with a "radius" ... Therefore, the sturgeon cut from 1000 km to about 200 km, and it is not a fact that in this zone there will be a high probability of SSGN detection.
              Therefore - learn materiel and read more books about the fleet and its everyday life, then m. you will be in the subject. bully
              1. Charik
                Charik 29 December 2020 23: 25
                0
                The strike capabilities of the nuclear submarine Irkutsk of project 949A Antey have doubled-it is written in the article with some kind of basin, someone said to them under New Year's mood, and here on the VO of this nuclear submarine, the AUGs are already drowning-withdrawal-do not say gop yet you won't jump, I don’t mind that the Zircon was put in the nuclear submarines, what was left of the 949x-Eagle-like repaired (they promised to modernize it?) ? And it's not a fact that the 949th with Zircones will stumble upon the AUG, it's not a field and a sky where you can detect targets with your radio equipment, after all, because the boat does not see for hundreds of kilometers with its radar, but if it fluffs up its ears, it will skip it with a drone.

                By that time, if such divisions are assembled from the yusovschikov already and unmanned sea hunters will be aug guarded within a radius of 1000 and the avik UAVs are already being launched, so there is no need to la-la about the lack of PLA-report finished hi .
                1. Lex_is
                  Lex_is 30 December 2020 00: 01
                  0
                  In fact, it is true, but not very much in terms of content. wink

                  who remained, of what division to make up?


                  In addition to this, 5 of them are in service, although with Granites, but a detachment of two nuclear submarines to strike at the AUG, the fleet, theoretically, will be able to select.

                  radius 1000 is avika
                  PLO is impossible to carry out, the real radius of PLO AUG will indeed be a maximum of 200 km, in reality it is much less than a hundred.

                  The boat does not see its radar for hundreds of kilometers, but if it fluffs up its ears itself, it will draw it to poop a drill.


                  RL boats do not look for targets, in passive mode they use sonar from the same 100 km and will detect, if they are very lucky with the conditions, most likely less.

                  This is where the good news ends.
                  For the AUG missile attack, it needs external target designation, which is not at all easy to do and, most importantly, the AUG itself, which no one in their right mind will send to the area of ​​probable nuclear submarine patrolling.
                  Before sending aircraft carriers, the enemy will try to find and destroy Anteya with several KPUG and nuclear submarines.

                  So hitting the AUG is possible, but you need skill, target designation and a lot of luck.
                2. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 30 December 2020 09: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Charik
                  and here, on the VO of this nuclear submarine, the AUGs are already drowning-output-don't say gop until you jump
                  Dear Colleague
                  1. Nobody in the Navy writes A-PL (unless of course it is emergency boat!), abbreviation - PLA !
                  2. The purpose of the 949 project is the fight against large NK and, as an option, the defeat of radio-contrast coastal targets, or the application of RNU on the PB (possibly). Therefore, we suggested its further use.
                  Quote: Charik
                  who remained, of what division to make up?

                  Of the ones, of course. Previously, in the north, the anti-aircraft DPL included not only 949, but also a couple of 671rtmk (from memory). So who prevents such a compound from including, for example, 885 or 545 projects?
                  Quote: Charik
                  And it's not a fact that the 949th with Zircons will stumble upon the AUG -... with its radio equipment, you can detect targets -... with its radar, the boat does not see for hundreds of kilometers, but if it fluffs up its ears, then they will draw it with a drone.
                  Yes-aa, really! (c) No, not a military man, much less a sailor. Even in the first approximation ...
                  Nevertheless, a couple of words on the topic.
                  The task of the SSGN is not to stumble upon the AUG, but to be within the weapon's reach of the AUG ships. And the boats are located outside the radius of the effective PLO AUG, as a rule, "in a circle" so that anti-ship missiles fly from different directions.
                  On the issue of RLK and other AWACS, your colleague Lex (Alexey) answered. But! If you climb into the PZK, then you can hear far away, and on ELF - even further. The goal is group! This is already an unmasking sign. Even the EDC and approximately the place can be determined ...
                  Quote: Lex_is
                  So hitting the AUG is possible, but you need skill, target designation and a lot of luck.

                  Alesei, of course, it is "possible" to strike once the fleet headquarters is engaged in the operation to defeat the AUG! They rely not only on SSGNs, but also on the entire potential of the fleet: the coast (reconnaissance centers), air-space, aviation and rocket ships.
                  I think the enemy will not pass! drinks
      3. Grits
        Grits 30 December 2020 05: 32
        0
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        and what do people think about quality?

        I think that "Granite" can not even be poured wink When at supersonic speed such a metal log flies into a ship like a frigate or a destroyer, I think it will just fall apart in half. about "Onyx", apparently - will have to pour
  3. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 29 December 2020 10: 53
    -25%
    a volcano cannot knock down n500 in speed and for 30 years they were broadcasting from each iron wow, they will shoot everything! now and at all)) nothing and nothing. and missiles * 2. I will sell aug for free)) pickup
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 29 December 2020 11: 12
      +25
      Have you already rolled in the morning?
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 29 December 2020 11: 31
        +20
        he also writes on other sites. fuck you understand what he meant
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 29 December 2020 11: 42
      +5
      Quote: Evil Booth
      a volcano cannot knock down n500 in speed and for 30 years they were broadcasting from each iron wow, they will shoot everything! now and at all)) nothing and nothing. and missiles * 2. I will sell aug for free)) pickup

      This is a flight of thought!
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 31
        -2
        googled)) the speed of the target of elgo volcanic) compare with the speed of n500 cry for amerga with you)
    3. Dart
      Dart 29 December 2020 14: 12
      +1
      They call you Igor by chance?
      I have a classmate ... A former excellent student, including the Russian language ... a social type now ... he will take five drops, he writes very similar nonsense ... when he is sober, he does not write to anyone at all.
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 34
        -5
        they say they say c300 knocks everything down, but the patriot is nothing like that, the same patriot, some tales in chats)
        1. Grits
          Grits 30 December 2020 07: 15
          0
          Quote: Evil Booth
          they say they say c300 knocks everything down, but the patriot is nothing like that, the same patriot, some tales in chats)

          You can, in essence, write something really, sensible. But you write like this ... as if it's softer ... shitty, shitty. To begin with, either learn or apply the rules of the Russian language. Then, you look, and the booth will not be so evil.
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 8 January 2021 18: 11
            0
            it will somehow change that those who accuse Putin of lying they say the dagger flies 500 km and not 3000 + the carrier gets +50 and those who give them proof on Putin gets -5? I'm not sure. Comrade Snowden wrote that the United States controls everything and everyone on any Internet, well, except for the intra-Chinese Cheburnet. yab znayetel banned incoming messages .. and who burns let them google themselves in English all sorts of voice of america ... so that their shores, too, vidii do not lie rudely and inept infovacuum.
    4. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 19: 17
      -3
      I'll just see - you are destroying the Americans for the third day, beyond 70 km in Krasnopol - yesterday Burke was flooded - today the remaining AUG is the only non-existent 949 AM
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 29 December 2020 10: 54
    +2
    Such a submarine can cover the whole of Japan and the entire coastal China in one salvo. So many missiles are worth reckoning with.
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  5. Eldorado
    Eldorado 29 December 2020 10: 55
    +7
    I hope this is indeed the case.
    The "Eagle" at the KSF was allegedly also modernized according to this project, but this summer it was shot by "Granites".
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 29 December 2020 11: 30
      +6
      Nobody seriously talked about the modernization of the Eagle into the 949AM project
    2. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 19: 22
      -2
      here is another proof that all this is nonsense about calibrating-recirculating 949x
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 December 2020 10: 59
    +6
    It's a good news. Instead of the AUG apl m sharpened for destruction, we get a universal strike submarine. With a decent supply of CD. Which, if equipped with YABCh Caliber, will become strategic. We would also consider the possibility of using BR mines for 4-5 units of RC on the Impact nuclear powered vessels. How Americans do it
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 29 December 2020 11: 14
      +8
      Only, for some reason, instead of 3-4 KR, it turned out to be 2. It is not clear.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 29 December 2020 11: 16
        +4
        Yes, I don't understand either. Maybe the universal cell is large ... although they should stand vertically, and not obliquely, like Granites
      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson 29 December 2020 11: 32
        +5
        I did not understand the same, they promised up to 72 anti-ship missiles, that is, 3 new ones instead of one old one.
        and here we are talking about two.
        or not all the starting cups were given for alteration, or something new has arisen.
      3. Alien From
        Alien From 29 December 2020 11: 33
        +2
        New Year's Eve is near ... what is really here)
      4. faiver
        faiver 29 December 2020 11: 55
        +1
        because the diameter of the granite is 114 cm, and the diameter of the caliber is 53,3 cm, the diameter of the shaft is not enough for the third - arithmetic ... repeat
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 December 2020 12: 15
          +8
          Quote: faiver
          because the diameter of the granite is 114 cm, and the diameter of the caliber is 53,3 cm, the diameter of the shaft is not enough for the third - arithmetic ... repeat

          Theoretically enough:
          The 3M45 rocket of the Granit complex weighs 7360 kg, has a length of 8,84 m and a circumscribed circle with folded wings of 1,35 m [5]. Data on the SM-225A launcher could not be found, therefore its outer diameter (about 1,82 m) was obtained by recalculating the known width of the housing of the APKR pr. 949 from its cross section [6]. The difference of 47 cm (23,5 cm gap) is in good agreement with the fact that the missile is located in the launcher in its own launch canister, and shock-absorbing devices are located in the space between the inner surface of the launcher and the glass [7-25]. In turn, the mass. rocket 3M55 complex "Onyx" ("Yakhont") in the transport and launch cup (TPS) and without it is 3 kg and 900 kg, and the length and diameter of the TPS - 3 and 000 m, respectively, with an inclined start (in contrast to the vertical one on "Severodvinsk") does not contradict the declared performance characteristics (8,90-0,72 degrees) [15]. Graphically, replacing "Granite" with "Onyx" looks like this:

          https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/38648.html
          Moreover, in 2011, KBM stated that the PU "Granita" includes three "Onyx".
          1. faiver
            faiver 29 December 2020 12: 25
            +1
            it means that something was wrongly counted as with the Il-112 ...
          2. Sukhoi
            Sukhoi 29 December 2020 12: 31
            +1
            The bottom two RTDs are attached to the sturdy body through shock-absorbing devices, as I understand it. And the third (top) to what? Glass to glass?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 29 December 2020 14: 04
              +5
              Quote: Sukhoi
              The bottom two RTDs are attached to the sturdy body through shock-absorbing devices, as I understand it. And the third (top) to what? Glass to glass?

              Most likely, three "Onyx" launchers stand up as in SM-315:

              In this launcher, three Onyxes fit into the dimensions of a single Malachite launcher.
              1. Sukhoi
                Sukhoi 29 December 2020 14: 30
                0
                Alexey RA, three TPNs with Onyxes weigh 11, while the PU for Granite is designed for 700. I don't think that the "PU inside PU" option makes sense. Plus Onyxes with Calibers have a vertical start, Klimov seems to even complain about the lack of an inclined start. If I am not confused.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 29 December 2020 14: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: Sukhoi
                  Plus Onyxes with Calibers have a vertical start, Klimov seems to even complain about the lack of an inclined start. If I am not confused.

                  EMNIP, Klimov complained that, given the technical feasibility of an inclined launch for the same Onyx, the Navy could not decide to use an inclined launcher.
                  Moreover, the inclined start of the Onyx was practiced for both submarines and NK:
                  - PLA B-452 pr. 670M / 06704 with PU SM-315, tests 1992-1993;
                  - MRK "Nakat" 1234.7 with launcher SM-316.

                  1. Sukhoi
                    Sukhoi 29 December 2020 15: 15
                    +1
                    Oh, that's how it is. So I was still wrong)
        2. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 29 December 2020 12: 29
          +1
          Well, if you don't change the "glass" of "Granite", it is possible that it is a load-bearing part for a part of a light body and units.
      5. faiver
        faiver 29 December 2020 12: 00
        +3
        It's Antaeus, not Shark ... hi
      6. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 29 December 2020 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        Only, for some reason, instead of 3-4 KR, it turned out to be 2. It is not clear.

        ~~~~~~~~~~ Rocket Granite ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Length, m ------------- 10
        Diameter, m ----------- 1,14 (body),
        --------------------------- 1,35 m (in container) [6]
        Starting weight, kg - 7000
        ~~~~~~~~~~ Caliber ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Length, m ------------------- 6,20 - 8,22
        Diameter, m ------------------- 0,533
        Launch weight, kg --- 1500-2000
        ~~~~~~~~~~~ P-800 Onyx - Yakhont ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Rocket length:
        Ship variant m - 8 - 8,6
        TPS length: ------------------------ 8,9 m [9]
        TPS diameter: -------------------- 0,72 m [9]
        Rocket diameter: ---------------- 0,67 m
        Rocket weight:
        Starting —------------------ 3000 kg [9]
        With TPS ------------------------- 3900 kg [9]
        ~~~~~~~~~~~ Zircon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        length: --------------- 8-10 m
        (based on the dimensions of the 3S14 launcher and missiles [P-800 "Onyx" (URAV Navy index - 3M55, export name - "Yakhont"}, also launched from it)
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 29 December 2020 13: 13
          +3
          That is, only one Zircon will fit into a Granite container. And the missiles on the modernized 48, which means, during the modernization, the complete replacement of containers with 3S14 (the Americans, during the conversion, had the missiles in the old ones). And if it is also supposed to shoot with missiles (not torpedoes) Caliber, then the containers should be of two types.
    2. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 19: 27
      -2
      you get a portion of noodles
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 29 December 2020 11: 38
    +3
    They were in time, not cut into metal.
  8. Bez 310
    Bez 310 29 December 2020 11: 50
    +4
    As usual, everything is in the future ...
    And what do we have in the present?
    And here's what:
    "The Russian Navy in 2020 received less than four nuclear submarines: SSBN" Knyaz Oleg "of project 955A" Borey-A ", multipurpose nuclear submarines" Kazan "and" Novosibirsk "of project 885M" Yasen-M ", as well as nuclear submarine" Belgorod »Project 09852."
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 29 December 2020 13: 01
      +4
      And in the present we have a boat of 1989, which has been tied up since 1997, which has been repaired since 2008 (12 years!) And very soon, in 2022 (but this is not certain), it will be pushed into the sea to the fear of all enemies.
  9. xomaNN
    xomaNN 29 December 2020 11: 51
    +5
    This is to the question of whether it is necessary to preserve nuclear submarines and NKs for the modernization of the Soviet construction. On the same EM, RK, instead of Soviet-designed URO with large missiles, install 2-3 times more modern missiles.
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 December 2020 12: 02
      +1
      the architecture there may not allow such placement, though ...
  10. Anachoret
    Anachoret 29 December 2020 12: 54
    +4
    News from the category:
    A deputy from the United Russia party introduced a bill, thanks to which in 2080 all vodka for Russian citizens will be free.
  11. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 December 2020 13: 08
    0
    Good news, 48 ​​hypersonic missiles are no joke, and a headache for all kinds of "partners" good
    1. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 20: 08
      -1
      A New Year's fairy tale for children is
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 29 December 2020 20: 34
        -3
        For the descendants of the Sumerians, they believe in fairy tales like no one else laughing
  12. Volder
    Volder 29 December 2020 13: 11
    -1
    According to statistics, the overhaul cycle of a nuclear submarine is 10-12 years. That is, after repair, the submarine will serve for at least 10 more years. After 2030, it is expected to write off all "Anteevs". By that time, the fleet should be full of submarines of the new project Yasen-M. In this regard, it makes no sense to upgrade all "Antei" to the level of 949AM.
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 December 2020 15: 15
      +2
      By then, the fleet should be full
      - should, but not obliged ... hi
  13. Maxim364364
    Maxim364364 29 December 2020 13: 17
    0
    I wonder what time it takes for a full salvo of 24-48 missiles from the underwater and surface position, I heard about the operation, it seems Behemoth, when the strategist released the entire ammunition load of 16 ICBMs, but what about the cruise?
    1. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 20: 10
      -3
      Clean your ears and ask again about what you write about
  14. Diverter
    Diverter 29 December 2020 13: 35
    +4
    My opinion is that there should be 24 such boats at the Pacific Fleet.
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 December 2020 15: 16
      +2
      Are you a real saboteur, do you want to let us go around the world? bully
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 29 December 2020 22: 16
        +2
        I said that this is my opinion, which I can substantiate .. the ultimate goal of GPV is the 6th nuclear submarine BOREY. Each of them must be defended. Ideally, two nuclear submarines for each Borei, this is 12 units. You also need to have the same number (12 pieces) to identify the enemy, of which there are a lot in that region. You agree that if something happens, the Japs will be at the same time with the mattresses, as well as kangaroos, all sorts of Zeelands and possibly South Koreans. How to resist them? On the near lines it is Varshavyanka, but on the distant lines ????
    2. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 20: 11
      -1
      Dreamer, you called me, Dreamer, only this is not enough
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 29 December 2020 22: 16
        +1
        I said that this is my opinion, which I can substantiate .. the ultimate goal of GPV is the 6th nuclear submarine BOREY. Each of them must be defended. Ideally, two nuclear submarines for each Borei, this is 12 units. You also need to have the same number (12 pieces) to identify the enemy, of which there are a lot in that region. You agree that if something happens, the Japs will be at the same time with the mattresses, as well as kangaroos, all sorts of Zeelands and possibly South Koreans. How to resist them? On the near lines it is Varshavyanka, but on the distant lines ????
        1. Charik
          Charik 29 December 2020 22: 51
          -1
          I just remembered a song of Soviet times
    3. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 29 December 2020 22: 06
      +1
      I support, and there are 48 nuclear submarines on SF, instead of unnecessary aircraft carriers
  15. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 29 December 2020 15: 03
    +1
    We really need compromising evidence, otherwise the Fleet will be ruined ...
  16. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2020 15: 27
    +3
    Quote: Alex777
    And 48 Zircons is a lot. You may not find so many goals. hi
    And according to the Zircons, there was a rumor that their 2 modifications would be, normal and heavy, with a more powerful accelerator. Apparently these 3 did not fit.
    I heard out of the corner of my ear that 2 Boreas with CD will do.

    Well, first, who told you that all the launchers will be "charged" with "Zirconia". The phrase that instead of 1 "granites" the boat will be able to carry 24 missiles "Caliber", "Onyx" "Zircon" does not mean that all 48 seats will be filled with "Zikons".
    Further. Rumors about 2 modifications of Zircons are just rumors and nothing more. A more powerful accelerator implies an increase in length by an unknown number of meters. And the length of the universal launcher is designed for specific types of missiles with a specific length. So if there were also a heavy "Zircon", all currently existing carriers would again have to be put on modernization ... And why do we need a "heavy" Zircon? What is its scope of tasks?

    Rumors about two "Boreys" from the CD have not yet been confirmed. The Borei series has remained the same ....

    Quote: Hunter 2
    It takes a long time, of course, four years to modernize. The Navy lacks multipurpose nuclear submarines anyway. It would be nice to speed up the process.

    Antey is not a multipurpose boat. This is a "clean" SSGN

    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Interesting ... and someone "coughs" such a "question" ...: "Granites" -24 pieces ... and how many warheads? 500 kilos will be? "Onyx" we take twice as much-48! And the shikoko warhead? 200 kg? So how many "granites" can you reliably destroy an aircraft carrier ... and how many "onyxes" ...? what This is me on the question of the ratio of "quantity and quality"! Most were interested in quantity ... fellow and what do people think about quality? wink

    The TNT equivalent of all 24 Granites is 12000 kg TNTE. TNT equivalent of 48 "Onyx" is 9600 kg TNTE. At the same time, do not forget that in order to inflict destruction of the structure of a ship equivalent to the "Granite" one must have the same equivalent. And the equivalent of 24 "Granites" is 60 "Onyxes"

    Quote: Magic Archer
    Such a submarine can cover the whole of Japan and the entire coastal China in one salvo. So many missiles are worth reckoning with.

    Why not the whole world? One boat will cover the whole of Japan? Won't she get sick? The length of Japan from north to south is about 2200 km, from west to east on average 3 hundred km. And you are going to "cover" all this territory with 48 missiles ??? Are you going to "cover" coastal China with a coastline of at least 5500 km, too?

    Quote: Pilat2009
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Interesting ... and someone "coughs" such a "question" ...: "Granites" -24 pieces ... and how many warheads? 500 kilos will be? "Onyx" we take twice as much-48! And the shikoko warhead? 200 kg? So how many "granites" can you reliably destroy an aircraft carrier ... and how many "onyxes" ...? what This is me on the question of the ratio of "quantity and quality"! Most were interested in quantity ... fellow and what do people think about quality? wink

    People think that the probability of hitting will increase. Let's hope that at least one out of 48 will break through. And in general, if granite is really anti-ship, then there is no caliber and zircon

    At one time it was believed (this was described by Admiral Kapitanets in the book "War at Sea") that in order to defeat the destruction of an aircraft carrier, it was necessary to hit it with 9-11 Granite missiles (of course, without nuclear submarines). If you count on "Onyx", then 23-28 missiles of "Onyx" type will need to hit it. But exactly the hits. And how many missiles from a salvo will be shot down in this case is not considered. The hit of one missile, if it is not with the nuclear warhead, will not do anything to the aircraft carrier
    And further. And what, your "Caliber" and "Zircon" have already ceased to be anti-ship?

    Quote: Zaurbek
    It's a good news. Instead of the AUG apl m sharpened for destruction, we get a universal strike submarine. With a decent supply of CD. Which, if equipped with YABCh Caliber, will become strategic. We would also consider the possibility of using BR mines for 4-5 units of RC on the Impact nuclear powered vessels. How Americans do it

    Do not forget that even if the Onyx or Zircon Calibers are equipped with nuclear warheads, the boat will not become strategic. Even under the Union "Antey" EMNIP carried only 4 missiles out of 24 with nuclear warheads. All the rest - with normal, conventional. Like any of the surface ships-carriers of the CD. It has never been so that all missiles are equipped with nuclear warheads

    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Good news, 48 ​​hypersonic missiles are no joke, and a headache for all kinds of "partners" good

    Are you sure all 48 will be Zircons? Will there not be them on the boat, for example, 6-8 pieces, and the rest - "Onyx" and "Caliber" of different modifications?

    Quote: Saboteur
    My opinion is that there should be 24 such boats at the Pacific Fleet.

    Don't limit yourself. Do not be trifles. Write right away that there should be 200-300 of such boats at the Pacific Fleet
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 41
      +2
      9-11 granites in 1 avik)) BGGG and in the second world they sank from 0,1 such. and how many battleships went kka thin with 1-2 such. and how many months bulkolo several aviks from an explosion kakinit 10kg warheads with hundreds of killed? The fire killed 134 people, another 161 sailors were injured and burned.

      The fire would have been caused by the spontaneous launch of the 27-mm Zuni unguided rocket, which fell off the Skyhaw attack aircraft pylon and crashed into fully loaded and equipped for take-off aircraft. 17-hour fire swept six decks of the ship, nine bombs detonated on the flight deck. The ship and its air wing completely lost their combat effectiveness, the 21 burned plane was thrown overboard.


      No less terrible was the fire on the nuclear aircraft carrier Enterprise in Hawaii in the 1969 year. The ship almost died in the exercises before being sent to Vietnam. A jet stream from an airplane accidentally hit a rack with Zuni missiles. The rockets caught fire and spontaneously took off. The result: hours of fire, fuel spills from aircraft, explosions on the flight deck, 27 dead and 120 burnt sailors. Enterprise lost 15 aircraft.

      In the 1966 year, on board the Oriskani aircraft carrier, the sailor carried a bunch of signal missiles, throwing the extension cords over his shoulder. One of the rockets caught on for something, the cord pulled and the rocket started. The sailor threw her aside on a box with the same missiles. The rockets caught fire and scattered throughout the hangar. 44 people died, another 156 were injured and burned. Almost all aircraft on the hangar deck burned down.

      In 1972, the Phantom fighter unsuccessfully landed on the deck of the Midway aircraft carrier and crashed into aircraft standing on the deck. 5 dead, 23 wounded, 8 aircraft lost.
      all this from the impact of 0,001 granite! hollywood such hollywood))
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 December 2020 17: 32
        +4
        Quote: Evil Booth
        The fire would have been caused by the spontaneous launch of the 27-mm Zuni unguided rocket, which fell off the Skyhaw attack aircraft pylon and crashed into fully loaded and equipped for take-off aircraft. 17-hour fire swept six decks of the ship, nine bombs detonated on the flight deck. The ship and its air wing completely lost their combat effectiveness, the 21 burned plane was thrown overboard.

        Plus detonation on the flight deck of eight 454-kg, one 340-kg and one 227-kg bombs. And the BZZh, which was led by amateurs, since the regular AB fire brigade was put out of action by the explosion of the first bomb.
        Result? The Forrestal was docked on September 19.09.1967, 08.04.1968 (two months after the fire), and on April 1993, XNUMX, the repairs were completed. And he served as AV right up to XNUMX.
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 29 December 2020 18: 24
          0
          that is, an undermining inside it would definitely break a heating pad like a tuzik, did you mean that? especially outside the deck, such an explosion would have undermined ahem the entire BC or the entire canister of fuel .. but why not? in the avik, as in the tank, you can go to the \ crew of the fuel bk there is nowhere else ...
      2. Charik
        Charik 29 December 2020 20: 17
        -1
        First, find a target - let the control center - apply so that they do not have time to cover you - and how many of 48 will fly too, think about it and a bunch of significant factors, otherwise you want to scare half the world with one Irkutsk
    2. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 42
      0
      In 1981, the EA-6B Prauler electronic warfare aircraft landing on the deck of the Nimitz aircraft carrier crashed into a Sea King helicopter. The Spurrow rocket exploded from the fire, then another four. 14 killed, 39 wounded. Nine corsair attack aircraft, three heavy Tomcat interceptors, three S-3 Viking aircraft, A-6 Intrudur, and those responsible for the tragedy: EA-6B Prauler and Sea King helicopter burned down.

      In the 1988 year in the Arabian Sea, on board the Nimitz, an A-7E attack aircraft jammed the electric descent of the Vulcan six-barreled gun, which fires 4000 rounds per minute. The "rebellious" gun riddled the KA-6D tanker. Kerosene spilled from its tanks, turning the plane into a fire torch.

      A blazing plane was pushed overboard, but before that he had time to set fire to the 5 of the Corsair aircraft, as well as the Viking and the Intruder, which were nearby.

      In the 1991 year on the Nimitz (CVN-68), the F / A-18C Hornet crashed while landing. The crew left the burning car, but its engines did not turn off and worked in afterburner mode. The aircraft carrier was saved by a brave mechanic who managed to get into the cockpit and turn off the engines.

      aircraft carriers

      During landing on a moving aircraft carrier "Abraham Lincoln", Kara Khaltgrin, the first female pilot of carrier-based aviation, was killed. Her F-14 "Tomcat" fell into the water when landing in the 1994 year.

      1998 year. The accident on the aircraft carrier Enterprise. The EA-6B Prauler plane violated the controller’s ban and landed right on another plane - the S-3 Viking.

      A very recent accident: in the 2011 year, the F / A-18C Hornet fighter-bomber exploded and burned on a catapult when it attempted to take off from the John C. Stennis nuclear carrier. 10 injured were reported.

      In total, more than a hundred major accidents on American aircraft carriers have been recorded in post-war history.
    3. Grits
      Grits 30 December 2020 09: 10
      0
      Quote: Old26
      One boat will cover the whole of Japan? Won't she get sick? The length of Japan from north to south is about 2200 km, from west to east on average 3 hundred km. And you are going to "cover" all this territory with 48 missiles ???

      Easy. Considering that all nuclear power plants will be covered first. And then radiation, lack of life support and general chaos will complete the noble cause.
  17. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 29 December 2020 15: 48
    +3

    200kg warheads of 5000 tons now tell me how 750kg will not damage the avik that it will not burn tankers and aircraft will not detonate anything else, although there are many known cases when from 8 to 134 people perished from a fire of a couple of aircraft in US aircraft carriers and burned from 1 to dozens of aircraft explosions of single missiles weighing several kg ... on warheads
    1. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 20: 20
      0
      Tell me how you were going to penetrate the AUG order with 48 missiles even from at least the escort ships
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 8 January 2021 18: 14
        0
        well, for example, Aegis does not see anything on small medium air defense, they generally manually guided it, consider it not if the target is not a maize, and the volcano, at the speed of the target, does not intercept the same headsets in any way. so it was with x22 and there, as they say, with x12 and with a dagger the same thing. one is enough.
        1. Charik
          Charik 8 January 2021 20: 13
          -1
          Yes, stop fantasizing that Americans have bad air defense - the most highly developed - electronic and many other industries - what they don't think of - they can steal or buy - think with your own booth
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 8 January 2021 20: 17
            0
            that is why ten patriots allowed 25 missiles into the Saudi port.
            1. Charik
              Charik 8 January 2021 20: 27
              -1
              Probably not allowed, but "helped" to fly, is this possible?
              1. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 8 January 2021 20: 29
                0
                but for sure! to sell a patriot working on a cr ... laughing
                1. Charik
                  Charik 8 January 2021 20: 31
                  -1
                  yes, take it, there is a modernized one to the last peep of fashion, well, or as an option, the Iron Dome, they are all friends now
                  1. Evil Booth
                    Evil Booth 8 January 2021 20: 39
                    0
                    Thank you for the dark yumor. or are you serious? the dome is nothing except for the firecrackers 9 exactly one) in the polygon conditions of niasilite. and for defense in a sector of 120 degrees, a billion will be needed on this narrow-sector dome.
                    1. Charik
                      Charik 8 January 2021 21: 24
                      -1
                      and the Saudis do not care what money to spend, all the more, their main defender will advise a couple of complexes in addition to the patriots, and they will take the dome - they even promised F35 there
    2. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A 30 December 2020 04: 08
      0
      On the Ocean-77 maneuvers, the supersonic X-12 with a weight of more than 4 tons and a warhead of 350 kg met the American completely nuclear-powered cruiser CGN-25 Bainbridge (the size of the popular BOD Shaposhnikov), followed by the detonation of the ship's bow SAM missiles. Despite the serious damage, there were no fatal consequences for the cruiser.
      Speaking of casus belli, if you shmalnut in someone else's thorn - paid off and hushed up quietly.
  18. Old26
    Old26 29 December 2020 16: 22
    +7
    Quote: Evil Booth
    200kg warhead of 5000 tons now tell me how 750kg will not damage the avik that it will not burn

    Prospis, Booth !!! If you can’t make out the letters, there’s nothing to climb. All claims to the Soviet Admiral Captain. Of course, he knows less than you, but I trust him more than such "Xperts" like you who mutter something indistinct
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 29 December 2020 18: 25
      +1
      Aegis as a patriot is just a toy without any sense. for example, in the KSA we missed all 25 missiles in a salvo right at the position of m patrito
  19. Charik
    Charik 29 December 2020 18: 59
    -2
    How is it? Instead of one Granite - two other missiles - they probably replaced the inclined type launchers, but why then don't they do this on surface ones with inclined launchers
  20. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 29 December 2020 19: 26
    +2
    it is very important to build and repair the APL
    1. Charik
      Charik 29 December 2020 20: 35
      -1
      It is very important not to lie to the whole world about the miracle of a nuclear submarine with 50 miracle missiles - do it and let everyone think for themselves what and how, otherwise he was drunk under NG - but in this nuclear submarine half of the world is being destroyed
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 29 December 2020 21: 40
        +2
        our apl can inflict such damage on a potential enemy that he will regret attacking peaceful Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tpw80EUIGQ

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gBF3GVxV-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOlrVvtAJn0

  21. Charik
    Charik 29 December 2020 20: 03
    -1
    Even if the Yusovites will make one Virgin a year, then at least one hundred Zircons in Irkutsk, put the exhaust is ZERO
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 29 December 2020 21: 53
      +1
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sawMrjr4CHc вот вам сила АПЛ
  22. vel1163
    vel1163 30 December 2020 00: 15
    +1
    I just did not understand. Increased or Increased after modernization. These are two big differences
  23. Old26
    Old26 30 December 2020 00: 49
    +3
    Quote: vel1163
    I just did not understand. Increased or Increased after modernization. These are two big differences

    Increase. The boat began modernization in 2019, the readiness period is 2023
  24. kig
    kig 30 December 2020 05: 18
    +1
    The timing is just a sight for sore eyes. They would have waited a little longer, and there was no need to start.
  25. zwlad
    zwlad 30 December 2020 07: 17
    +1
    Hmm. And a good alternative to the arlie burke um.
  26. anclevalico
    anclevalico 30 December 2020 07: 38
    -1
    Interestingly, and the ventilation system, suggesting depressurization of the first compartments when launching torpedoes, was modernized?
  27. wow
    wow 30 December 2020 10: 46
    +1
    Good news, damn it!
  28. Old26
    Old26 30 December 2020 15: 51
    +3
    Quote: Alex777
    As carriers of CD, Sharks are meaningless - they are too big.
    IMHO, the fate of the Sharks will be decided depending on the fate of the OSV-3 (4).
    I heard out of my ear that if the States were cut off, they could be returned to duty. hi

    True, there are no missiles on them, and it is cheaper to rebuild a couple of new Boreyevs for something else.

    Quote: bayard
    "Caliber" - weapons for land and coastal targets

    Wow, but the creators of one of the missiles, the 3M54, had no idea that they were creating an anti-ship missile. They thought she was for land and coastal targets

    Quote: Gritsa
    I don’t understand something else - can "Caliber", "Onyx", "Zircon" be launched obliquely or only vertically. After all, the entire structure of the boat is designed for inclined launch containers and it is unlikely that they can be placed otherwise.

    I don’t know how the Zircon (although there are no special difficulties in this), but “Caliber from a submarine is launched on an inclined trajectory,“ Onyx ”was launched obliquely during tests with a submarine, and also inclined launchers on several Indian destroyers
  29. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 30 December 2020 18: 37
    0
    Should have been three times, more 3 TPK "Onyx" fit into the shpu "Granite"
  30. Vladimir Koshevoi
    Vladimir Koshevoi 30 December 2020 19: 53
    0
    48 "Zircons" on board with a range (and they are already talking about 2 thousand km), from Kamchatka .., this is another "gift".
  31. Usher
    Usher 5 January 2021 01: 35
    -1
    Great news, the main thing is to give them a good GAP.