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Who will replace “Akademik Chersky” in Danish waters. Chronicles of "Fortune"

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The first issue of our oil and gas chronicles (Where are you going, "Academician Chersky"), which we plan to make regular, ended in early December.


It's a pipe who needs a pipe


At that time, it became clear who, when and how will complete Nord Stream 2. And it became clear that the United States would continue its unprecedented sanctions pressure on an international, in fact, pipeline.

The costs of countering a purely peaceful project were even included in the US military budget. Moreover, the amount under this item may vary. If necessary, no one will forbid Trump's successor in the White House to bring it to several tens of billions of dollars.

This looks especially piquant against the background of the fact that official Washington subsidizes some measly 290 million for political opposition to Russia in general.

In the German shallow water


December 2020 The crane and assembly pipe-laying vessel KMTUS "Akademik Chersky" after a three-day stay to the south of the island. Bornholm went to Kaliningrad.

The barge "Fortuna" on the same days received permission from the Federal Office for Shipping and Hydrography of Germany to continue laying the pipeline.


December 9, Wednesday. The Russian pipe-laying barge (TUB) "Fortuna" in tow at the multifunctional anchor handling operator "Katun" left anchorage in the German port of Wismar. The vessels were accompanied by the Vladislav Strizhov icebreaker, which transported personnel to work on the gas pipeline.

In the absence of ice cover in the Baltic, icebreaker escort was not required, but may be required on the return journey after completion of work in German and then Danish waters.

TUB "Fortuna" has permission from the Federal Office for Shipping and Hydrography of Germany (BSH) to carry out work on the pipeline from 5 to 31 December 2020 in the area between the shallow waters of Adlergrund and the Oder Bank.

The construction of the SP-2 section in German waters was previously confirmed by OMV, Gazprom's partner in the project. Some of the ships employed at SP-2 together with the "Akademik Cherskiy" gathered in the Curonian Spit near Kaliningrad.

On the same day, the German Meteorological Service reminded that from January in German waters it is necessary to take into account the factor of flora and fauna. And the laying cannot continue. Therefore, all works in shallow water must be completed in December.

December 11, Friday. TUB "Fortuna" and the anchor handling operator "Katun" arrived early in the morning at the construction site of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline in German waters. In addition to the tug "Fortuna" was also accompanied by the supplier "Baltic Researcher".

Nearby were the German ships Krebs Geo and Antares, providing safe operations and a 1,25 mile security zone set by the German regulator.

The cost of February futures for Brent crude that day rose by 0,20% to $ 50,15 per barrel.

December 13, Sunday. Fortuna has started laying pipes for the first string of Nord Stream 2. After a pause lasting a year, the prospects for the construction of the Danish section remain in question. The situation with the KMTUS Academician Chersky does not change either, which, unlike Fortuna, can work not only in shallow water.

Oil prices rose for the sixth week in a row. The market continued to gradually recover, supported by the OPEC + decision and vaccine optimism.

December 14, Monday. Fortuna laid about 300 meters of the first string of Nord Stream 2. At a pipe-laying speed of up to 1,5 km / day, the construction of a 2,6 km section in German waters requires no more than 2-3 days per line. But the speed of work is still significantly lower, which is due to the lack of experience in such work on the part of the Russian team.

December 16, Wednesday. The work continues. There are four support vessels in the immediate vicinity of TUB Fortuna: the support vessel for offshore platforms “Baltic Researcher”, the multifunctional icebreaker “Vladislav Strizhov”, the anchor handling tug “Katun”, which brought “Fortuna” from Wismar, taking on the role of a security vessel ... And also under the German flag - dredge "MS Trio", which prepares the bottom for laying the gas pipeline.

The Umka anchor handling ship returned to the German port of Mukran that day.

Danish waters after German


December 21, Monday. With the arrival of the rescue vessel "Murman" at the stowage site, the pace of work of the TUB "Fortuna" has sharply increased over the past days.

At the same time, supply vessels actively ply between key locations. Revitalization is also visible in the Curonian Spit, where tests of the modernized KMTUS "Akademik Chersky", which will operate in the deep waters of the Baltic in the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of Denmark, continue.


December 22, Tuesday. The Danish Maritime Authority (DMA) has released a notice that the Russian pipelayer Fortuna may begin laying the Nord Stream 15 gas pipeline in the Danish EEZ on 2021 January 2. Permission was granted for two lines of the SP-2 at once.

For the time of pipe-laying, a prohibited zone with a radius of 1,5 km is allocated around ships of limited maneuverability - TUB "Fortuna" and 500 m around "Baltic Researcher" and "Murman".

The Danish section remains the most problematic in the ambitious project. US sanctions against Nord Stream 2, adopted in December 2019, apply to the owners of ships who will build the pipeline at a depth of more than 33 meters.

December 23, Wednesday. The vessel "Murman" - one of the accompanying TUB "Fortuna", has begun to inspect the condition of the bottom in the waters of Denmark south of about. Bornholm in the future pipe-laying site.

Global oil prices continued to decline amid concerns over a new type of coronavirus in the UK. The fall in oil prices is limited by the adoption by the US Congress of a new stimulus package to support the economy.

December 24, Thursday. With reference to high-ranking sources in the administration of President Donald Trump, it is reported that in the near future the US pressure on the project to build the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will increase.

December 25, Friday. The operator of the Nord Stream2 AG project reported that TUB Fortuna has completed the construction of the first string of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in shallow waters in the German EEZ.

2,6 km of pipes were laid. And the second line is planned to be laid before 2021.

December 26, Saturday. TUB Fortuna has left the construction site of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in the exclusive economic zone of Germany, heading for Wismar.

Oil prices, after seven weeks of growth, ended the pre-holiday week with a decline to $ 50,34 per barrel of Brent.

Reserve player


It remains to add to the chronicle that on December 24 it became known about the possibility of replacing the pipe-laying vessel "Akademik Chersky", which still has difficulties with equipment certification.

KMTUS "Oceanic 5000" under the flag of Barbados, which has been located in the port of Las Palmas in the Canary Islands (Spain) since July 14, 2020, can take part in the project.

Who will replace “Akademik Chersky” in Danish waters. Chronicles of "Fortune"

In the meantime, in order to block the consequences of US sanctions, the Russian pipe-laying barge Fortuna changed its owner for the second time in three months in December 2020.

Now an entry in the Russian International Register of Vessels (RMRS) indicates that the owner of the vessel is KVT-Rus.

Previously registered with foreign branches of the offshore company, and then with Mezhregiontruboprovodstroy, the barge moved from the port of Mukran, where the flow logistics terminal is located, first to Rostock and then to Wismar.

On October 6, 2020, the Universal Transport Group (UTG) became the owner of Fortuna, and now it is the little-known company KVT-Rus. But the exact replacement date is unknown. A change of owner is not excluded directly during the work.

For the crane and assembly pipe-laying vessel (KMTUS) "Akademik Chersky" with the owner, everything is also not easy. Now it is the Samara Heat and Power Property Fund (STIF), which recently ceased to be an affiliate of Gazprom.

Other ships involved in the project also change owners almost regularly. So the Russian authorities are trying to minimize the risks due to US sanctions. Let us remind you that they also apply to companies participating in false or structured transactions, according to which ships are provided for the completion of the SP-2.

Taking advantage of the time gaps between the adoption of sanctions packages, the Russian authorities change the owners of the vessels just at the moment of the beginning of the action of certain bans.

The Akademik Chersky, 2 Oceanic and Fortuna also have technical capabilities for the construction of Nord Stream 5000 in Danish waters. Denmark is not opposed to the use of such anchored vessels. But, if Fortuna has to work alone, this will greatly delay construction.

Silence of the Lambs"


No, by all indications, the main opponents of Nord Stream 2 (besides the United States) - Poland and Ukraine - will not go to the slaughter because of it. Experts say that at the current pace, SP-2 will be completed sometime in the middle of summer 2021.

Regardless of the internal political situation, the United States will interfere with sanctions and construction and the process of putting the gas pipeline into operation. At the same time, Washington, most likely, will not refuse support from Poland and Ukraine, but only formally.

Money is hardly anymore. And nothing more significant than fines from this side can no longer threaten the project. It's only a matter of timing, although due to the pandemic, the delay in launching the SP-2 can even be considered a blessing.

Gas demand has not yet stabilized. But over time, it will grow, as will prices. However, Poland and Ukraine, which the United States simply cannot stimulate to protest indefinitely, seem to be starting to understand something.

The main thing is that in the event that Germany (and therefore Europe) is defeated in the battle for the SP-2, they cannot win in any way. Gazprom will no longer offer another transit to the old continent.

This means that its turn to the East (so far, actually, more declared than real) will simply become a fait accompli.
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  1. Snail N9
    Snail N9 5 January 2021 05: 31
    +7
    The United States imposed sanctions on any operators of not only construction, but also certification of equipment and construction results, as well as against operators of SP-2 operation. This is serious. Where Gazprom will look for those who agree to certify the construction site, and then operate it - I don’t know.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 5 January 2021 05: 36
      -1
      smile
      The European Union and Russia will be able to circumvent the refusal of European companies to certify the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline if they attract a Russian company to certification, said Igor Yushkov, an expert at the Financial University under the Russian government, a leading analyst at the National Energy Security Fund, in an interview with RT.

      https://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2021/01/03/n_15444848.shtml
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 5 January 2021 07: 35
        +3
        Denmark announced that a third party should certify such firms, in my opinion there are 10 and all of them, roughly speaking, are in "friends" of Russia
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 11: 49
          +2
          Many thanks to the authors for an interesting detailed article on a relevant topic and a promise to inform constantly smile

          As for the confusion-disguise with the owners and completion ships, it is understandable: the United States, allocating large funds and paying so much attention to the completion and launch of the SP-2, shows that the SP-2 plays for them, Europe and, perhaps, all the world is of great, key importance. Not only economic, but also political.

          We are waiting for interesting articles! yes
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 5 January 2021 12: 33
            0
            KMTUS "Oceanic 5000" may take part in the project
            To immediately after that turn into a huge expensive piece of iron, which any customers will bypass for three miles? It is unlikely. Where did this idea come from?
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 12: 48
              -3
              Quote: military_cat
              KMTUS "Oceanic 5000" may take part in the project
              To immediately after that turn into a huge expensive piece of iron, which any customers will bypass for three miles? It is unlikely. Where did this idea come from?

              Confusion. Disguise. Perhaps someone else will be announced for diffusion of attention. Geopolitical game. smile
              1. soul
                soul 5 January 2021 20: 25
                +18
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Geopolitical game

                By the way, when SP-2 starts to make a profit in the future, many of those who interfere with this will want to invest. So let's look later at political bargaining.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 6 January 2021 11: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: alma
                  By the way, when SP-2 starts to make a profit in the future, many of those who interfere today will want to invest.

                  You will not be able to invest in it unless someone sells their share, because no one wants to leave the list of investors. Therefore, as I imagine, after the project pays for the construction of the gas pipeline itself with transit revenues, the participants in this pool will come up with a new proposal to build another joint venture number three, and then there will be many who wish, because this is a very profitable project for many years.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 January 2021 15: 15
              +1
              Quote: military_cat
              Where did this idea come from?

              All these ideas, like Sp-2, SS, arose from a friend of friends and from friends of a friend, exclusively for personal enrichment, and everything else exists only in the unhealthy imagination of some fellow citizens.
              In general, there is no money, but you hold on, we need a breakthrough breakthrough and we will fly to the Moon by 2028.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 5 January 2021 15: 05
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            that SP-2 plays a huge and key role for them, Europe and, perhaps, the whole world. Not only economic, but also political.

            Can you explain what economic, and even more so the political, significance of the SP-2 for the Russian Federation and its citizens, and even more so for the world as a whole?
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 16: 06
              +6
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              that SP-2 plays a huge and key role for them, Europe and, perhaps, the whole world. Not only economic, but also political.

              Can you explain what economic, and even more so the political, significance of the SP-2 for the Russian Federation and its citizens, and even more so for the world as a whole?

              While pondering what to answer you, how you answered yourself. And I realized that you don't need my answer at all: you yourself all you know and on all have their answers. Alternative reality and, as you say, in an unhealthy imagination. Oh well.
    2. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 5 January 2021 08: 49
      +3
      Quote: Snail N9
      Where Gazprom will look for those who agree to certify the construction site and then operate it - I don’t know.


      This is half the trouble, the main thing is that Denmark, under pressure from the United States, does not withdraw the permit to complete the construction of a gas pipeline in its waters at all, otherwise the Danish regulator is like that ... today you have a permit, and tomorrow everything, the train leaves. Therefore, the implementation of the project is now almost entirely dependent on the German side, if they put pressure on Denmark in order to preserve the previous agreements and permits, then the project can be implemented, but if not, then the whole project will stand for a long time ... Biden is far from Trump in this regard, those. he, as a globalist, will try to restore those relations between the US-EU that Trump ruined and the Europeans may well give back in this project, so I would not be surprised if some permission is suddenly revised and it turns out that the implementation of the project in Danish waters is impossible under current conditions, so that on the good it is necessary to complete the construction of the gas pipeline now, before Biden ascended the throne and began a tour of the EU countries, otherwise it will be too late ... and the situation with Germany is not clear if Biden comes to Germany for negotiations with Merkel on Nord Stream -2 and will put the question bluntly, it is not known what she will choose.
      1. kytx
        kytx 6 January 2021 02: 02
        0
        Europe (and most importantly Germany) needs gas
        The USA with its liquefied Europe will not be able to provide
        it is expensive and unstable
        and RF can
        so IMHO SP2 will take place
        despite all these political troubles
        1. at84432384
          at84432384 6 January 2021 02: 48
          +1
          The United States will “provide” Europe with Novatek's gas in a completely stable manner. Will outbid, add its own margin and provide.
          1. kytx
            kytx 6 January 2021 02: 51
            0
            only Novatek will not be sold to them
            for political reasons
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 6 January 2021 11: 20
          -1
          Quote: kytx
          Europe (and most importantly Germany) needs gas
          The USA with its liquefied Europe will not be able to provide
          it is expensive and unstable

          This is how experts assess the current situation:
          Moscow. 5 January. INTERFAX.RU - The spot price of gas in Europe on the first day of trading in the new year stormed the mark of $ 250 per thousand cubic meters against the background of falling temperatures, reducing gas supplies from Russia, and across the sea - in liquefied form.
          Gas price at the Dutch hub TTF (day-ahead contract) for delivery on Tuesday rose to $ 253,5 per thousand cubic meters after $ 243 for the New Year holidays and $ 244 for Monday. This is the highest value in the last 23 months - from January 25, 2019.
          In December last year, gas was traded at an average of $ 202, in November - at $ 168 per thousand cubic meters.
          The beginning of 2021 in Europe is much colder than 2020 and the temperature forecast for the first half of January is much colder than in the previous three very warm winters.
          A new mandatory reservation for Gazprom is in effect on the Ukrainian gas transportation corridor since the new year: 40 billion cubic meters. m (110 million cubic meters per day) after 65 billion cubic meters. m (178 million cubic meters per day) in 2020. And if in December 2020, Gazprom pumped 183 million cubic meters per day through Ukraine. m per day, then from the new year pumping fell to an average of 125 million cubic meters per day (in the first three days). Cold weather forces Europe to actively spend gas reserves in underground storage facilities. The level of current reserves (72,54% based on the results of the gas day on January 3) is only 2,14 percentage points higher than the average for the previous five seasons (70,4%). And this gap is rapidly closing: at the beginning of the selection season it was 6,75 points, at the beginning of December - 4,59 points.
          The flow of gas into the European pipeline network through LNG terminals in January 2021 is reduced by half compared to January 2020. This may be the sharpest decline for the season (in October, supplies fell by 30%, in November - by 39%, in December - 43%).
          In addition to the drop in air temperature, the price of gas is supported by a noticeable reduction in the contribution of wind generation to the energy balance of Europe - it fell to 11,8% on Monday after a monthly maximum of 30,9% a week ago.

          https://www.interfax.ru/world/744059
          1. kytx
            kytx 6 January 2021 13: 13
            0
            these "specialists" who need specialists
            all this is written to order
            heating and air temperature is a trifle
            industry needs gas
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 5 January 2021 10: 05
      -4
      Quote: Snail N9
      Where Gazprom will look for those who agree to certify the construction site and then operate it - I don’t know.

      Obviously, this is why you are not the chairman of the board of directors of OAO Gazprom. laughing
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 5 January 2021 10: 09
        +1
        Obviously, this is why you are not the chairman of the board of directors of Gazprom

        Absolutely, I don’t have a salary of several million "tugriks" per day .... yes
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 5 January 2021 10: 15
          +3
          Quote: Snail N9
          Absolutely, I don’t have a salary of several million "tugriks" per day ....

          Well then, breathe out and leave these worries to those who are paid for them. If you rummage through your memory, then all the pipes in Europe were laid and began to work across sanctions of various calibers. So these are not the first or the last.
    4. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 January 2021 14: 56
      +3
      Quote: Snail N9
      Where Gazprom will look for those who agree to certify the construction site and then operate it - I don’t know.

      As where? Well, there are Wrotenbergs, Kovalchuk and Timchenko.
    5. Motorist
      Motorist 6 January 2021 00: 15
      +1
      Quote: Snail N9
      Where Gazprom will look for those who agree to certify the construction site

      In Russia. RMRS - have you heard about such a classification society? Other societies are for ... afraid of the hegemonic sanctions, like the "independent" DNV GL.
    6. major147
      major147 6 January 2021 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: Snail N9
      The United States imposed sanctions on any operators of not only construction, but also certification of equipment and construction results, as well as against operators of SP-2 operation. This is serious. Where Gazprom will look for those who agree to certify the construction site, and then operate it - I don’t know.

      Let me repeat my post from another thread.
      According to information from circles close to Gazprom:
      "The main news in recent days (which is not really news) is the final complete refusal of DNV GL to work on the project.
      In fact, the Norwegians warned NS-2 AG two months ago that they would do so the day after the final adoption of the relevant legislation in the United States.
      The builders were ready for this turn of events. What do you think Akademik Chersky has been doing near Kaliningrad for the last two months? That's right - he was laying a pipeline identical to Nord Stream 2. And for what ?
      First of all, he helped a Russian company - a home Gazprom certifier - to gain practical experience to obtain the appropriate licenses from the European Commission.
      Well, I also trained, of course, while simultaneously improving the process.
      Do not forget that for Russia, the complexity and importance of laying such pipelines is akin to organizing a flight to the moon or creating an atomic bomb in the forties. This has never been done in the USSR, let alone in Russia. "
      Meanwhile, the “Akademik” arrived on the SP2 route with support vessels and lay in the drift.

      snimok_2021-01-06_110805
  2. Free wind
    Free wind 5 January 2021 06: 08
    0
    The correct name for the article is not who, but what.
    1. dSK
      dSK 5 January 2021 08: 34
      +2
      In 2020, China National Petroleum Corporation's oil and gas production rose to a record high of over 200 million tons.
  3. Far B
    Far B 5 January 2021 06: 08
    +2
    At that time, it became clear who, when and how will complete Nord Stream 2
    Damn, this certainty has come and gone several times already. When the "Chersky" was driven across ten okyan seas - was there uncertainty? What confident statements we have heard! Moreover, more than once. So what? But nothing. Some kind of Santa Barbara is coming out again. Like the Vostochny cosmodrome or the construction of the Gazprom Arena in St. Petersburg. Involuntarily, the question arises - and our "effective" what - do not know otherwise, or what? And the answer involuntarily suggests itself - no, they don't know how.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 5 January 2021 10: 57
      -1
      Quote: Dalny V
      Some kind of Santa Barbara is coming out again. Like the Vostochny cosmodrome or the construction of the Gazprom Arena in St. Petersburg.

      And that these objects were not completed, or those who plundered the allocated money for their construction were not imprisoned?
      So it will be good if SP-2 is brought to mind as well as the cosmodrome and the stadium, albeit with a delay.
      Quote: Dalny V
      and our "effective" do not know how otherwise, or what?

      They did not elect the crazy Trump, which is why they did not expect that this insane would thus spoil the relations between the United States and Europe. The Europeans have long said yes to the SP-2 gas pipeline, and only this crazy president cannot understand why the project will be completed, despite all his sanctions.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 5 January 2021 11: 27
        -3
        Even if the project is completed, it will never receive a permit for operation. Is it really incomprehensible?
        Is it really incomprehensible that more than two thousand km of pipes are simply buried on the seabed?
        But take it easy. The pipe will not even be completed. For as soon as work begins in Danish waters, sanctions will immediately come into effect, which prohibit the provision of testing, inspection or certification services necessary to complete the construction and operation of Nord Stream 2. In addition, no work at sea is possible without insurance.
        The owners of the ships can be changed even daily and until blue in the face. What will it give?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 5 January 2021 11: 52
          0
          Quote: Cosm22
          Even if the project is completed, it will never receive a permit for operation. Is it really incomprehensible?

          Of course, it is not clear why it will not be used if the transit price is lower and the reliability of supply is higher. Your dreams are built on the lack of knowledge about the psychology of Europeans, who will strangle themselves for overpayment if they really see that they can save on heating. Have you ever seen gas storage tanks in private homes in Germany? Yes, these citizens will sweep away any government if they are told that they have to pay more for gas for the sake of the Americans, whom, by the way, they hated even more than our citizens even before the unification.
          Quote: Cosm22
          Is it really incomprehensible that more than two thousand km of pipes are simply buried on the seabed?

          Your fantasies are completely incomprehensible, given the fact that electric vehicles will require a huge amount of electricity in Europe, and more than 50% of it is produced at thermal stations.

          Quote: Cosm22
          But take it easy. The pipe will not even be completed.

          Dream, you seem to be a fan of Christmas fairy tales. But real frosts make people more adequate, so do not pretend to be a European, you are clearly not one of them.
          Quote: Cosm22
          In addition, no work at sea is possible without insurance.

          Complete nonsense - any internal work outside the territorial waters can be carried out with insurance by our own insurance companies.
          Quote: Cosm22
          The owners of the ships can be changed even daily and until blue in the face. What will it give?

          The Americans will be worn out to impose sanctions on new owners - they also have top-level bureaucracy. And this will give us the opportunity to complete the construction of the SP-2.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 5 January 2021 12: 32
            +2
            1. We can only talk about the psychology of a few European businessmen, who foolishly invested in a risky and adventurous project. They did not take into account the usual business risks, these are their problems. From now on they will be smarter. And the choice between losing part of the money and confrontation with the United States, as a result of which it is possible to lose not only this part, but the entire business, is quite obvious. It is somewhat presumptuous to attribute one's desires to the real behavior of German businessmen.
            By the way, has Russia fully fulfilled gas supplies to the EU and China for 2020? Ask at your leisure, as well as the reasons why it was not done.
            2. Have electric cars already replaced ICE cars? Where? In Russia? When such happiness comes in the EU, the very concept of energy consumption will change.
            3. I hear a fairy tale and frost regularly. Both Europeans and Ukrainians were already freezing, and the latter every winter. Yes, something can not freeze in any way.
            4. Will your own insurance company, in this case Danish, insure the work of ANOTHER vessel? With doubts about the qualifications of the Russian personnel and it is not clear who installed the equipment on the ship? Or the Russian insurance company will insure the work taking place in the foreign territorial waters? Do you even think sometimes that you are writing.
            5. Why should they impose new sanctions? They do not get hot, they do not twitch. Instead of incomprehensible multi-moves, they made a checkmate in one move (it turns out, there is one). Imposed a ban on all companies to provide testing, inspection or certification services for the gas pipeline. And that's all. And that's enough. And the bobby is dead. For even if the pipe is completed, it will never receive a permit for operation.
            Simple, elegant, effective.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 5 January 2021 18: 03
              -2
              Quote: Cosm22
              We can only talk about the psychology of a few European businessmen, who foolishly invested in a risky and adventurous project. They did not take into account the usual business risks, these are their problems. From now on they will be smarter.

              This is all nonsense, because here are the data on investors in SP-2, and so are the sharks of European business, not amateurs, like you:
              https://www.nord-stream2.com/ru/kompaniia/aktsioner-i-investory/
              And there are far from naive people who run billions of companies themselves. So leave your speculations to more naive people.

              Quote: Cosm22
              By the way, has Russia fully fulfilled gas supplies to the EU and China for 2020?

              And what does this have to do with those who invested in SP-2? They will answer to their shareholders why their money was burned.
              Quote: Cosm22
              Have electric cars already supplanted ICE cars? Where? In Russia? When such happiness comes in the EU, the very concept of energy consumption will change

              In the EU, by 2030, there will already be about 40% of electric vehicles, out of approximately 1 billion 200 thousand worldwide - such forecasts are made by automakers. Although this is actually the figure for today, the forecast by 2030 is up to 2 billion cars worldwide, and again 40% are electric cars.
              Now think about where to get so much electricity.
              Quote: Cosm22
              3. I hear a fairy tale and frost regularly. Both Europeans and Ukrainians were already freezing, and the latter every winter. Yes, something can not freeze in any way.

              I have not heard that they all are happy. Did you find out their opinion? Here's 2018 for you:
              Gazprom's European partners are requesting gas supplies for the next ten years, which currently exceed the capabilities of the company's existing infrastructure. Elena Burmistrova, General Director of Gazprom Export, announced this.
              She noted that she constantly receives requests for new volumes, which ensure supplies for at least the next ten years, RIA Novosti reports.
              “At this moment, these volumes are much larger than the capacity of the infrastructure that we have now,” concluded Burmistrova.

              More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2018/09/18/evropa-prosit-obem-gaza-prevyshayushchiy-vozmozhnosti-infrastruktury-gazprom

              Quote: Cosm22
              4. Will your own insurance company, in this case Danish, insure the work of ANOTHER vessel?

              You have some childish ideas about insurance, as if you, driving your own car into a foreign country, do not insure travel through foreign territory, in addition to the existing OSAGO in Russia. Well, Western companies will raise the insurance premium for the period of work, and that's all.

              Quote: Cosm22
              Or the Russian insurance company will insure the work taking place in the foreign territorial waters?

              It’s easy - if it has a license to pay in the currency of all insured events and officially works with foreign insurance companies. You can insure your car in a Russian company when you go abroad, this is provided for in CASCO - there is simply a different procedure for notifying an insured event.
              Quote: Cosm22
              Why should they impose new sanctions? They do not get hot, they do not twitch. Instead of incomprehensible multi-moves, they made a checkmate in one move (it turns out, there is one).

              And why haven't they done it yet, since everything is so simple, and they only engage in blackmail in relation to us?
              Quote: Cosm22
              Imposed a ban on all companies to provide testing, inspection or certification services for the gas pipeline. And that's all. And that's enough. And the bobby is dead.

              These sanctions will die, and the gas pipeline will be completed, because all the work on it will be done by our companies, especially since we ourselves have tremendous experience in the construction of pipelines since the time of Brezhnev.
              And then the Americans could not do anything about it, and now they will simply wither away from their powerlessness.
              Quote: Cosm22
              Simple, elegant, effective.

              And why then do "multi-pass", if everything is so simple - to take and ban SP-2 from the government of Merkel. You can explain sanely, or again blah blah blah ...
      2. Revival
        Revival 5 January 2021 17: 01
        +4
        Your efficiency is normal!
        On the east, with each stage, new ones are revealed, a normal construction system, right?
        And ten times more expensive is this also the norm?
        And five hundred thousand terms to the right are also norms, especially efficiency?
        On sp2, they fought with a heel to the chest, they say, we will complete it until 2020 !! We don't care, but that means the United States was not taken into account? Just a factor of small and unknown usa !?
  4. Proton
    Proton 5 January 2021 06: 16
    +13
    Instead of an article about hot and bloody battles for laying the next "Streams", I personally would gladly read articles about the construction of new large plants and factories on the territory of our country.
    But, unfortunately, I cannot find such materials on the Internet. It's a pity.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 06: 39
      -1
      personally, I would love to read articles about the construction of new large factories and factories in our country.


      What you didn’t say right away, here you go https://zen.yandex.ru/media/sdelanounas.ru/20-gigantskih-zavodov-kotorye-seichas-stroiatsia-v-rossii-5f71d1424fade30a2a6c214d
      1. Proton
        Proton 5 January 2021 06: 50
        +14
        What you gave me - the bulk is again the same "oil and gas processing" ultimately aimed at the export of these same oil products - the same eggs, only in the other hand. After all, something needs to be poured into the "Streams", so the next LNG and GOKs are being built. As was the resource needle, so it remained. Just an example - the products of the "super-plant" in Ust-Kut are poured into tanks and briskly walk to China. The products of the Boguchansk and Taishet factories are stupidly aluminum ingots, again going to China. I know this because I live in this region and the full compositions of oil, gas, timber and aluminum are constantly seen. If you think (from the title of the article) that these are "giant" factories, I do not think so.
        All these giant factories wander from year to year on similar publications of the Yandex-Zen level. It is enough to look at how many years these wonderful factories have been built.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 5 January 2021 07: 26
          +7
          I mean, the economy has long been working differently. Metallurgical plant in the Russian Federation and Kaspersky's office in the states. Compare.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 5 January 2021 07: 26
          +6
          Quote: Proton
          What you gave me - the bulk is again the same "oil and gas processing

          And you see how it is done in the world ???
          A significant part of the production is also the extraction and processing of HYDROCARBONS !!! not just to the state of liquid for combustion in an internal combustion engine, but many, many different products of deep processing of natural hydrocarbons !!!
          The world rests on the extraction of raw materials and the production of METALS, the extraction and processing of HYDROCARBONS, of course on the production of FOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
          Everything else is a SERVICE, SUPPORT, without which it is impossible to live or difficult, but it is POSSIBLE to SURVIVE! God forbid, of course.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 5 January 2021 10: 35
            +6
            Quote: rocket757
            The world rests on the extraction of raw materials and the production of METALS, the extraction and processing of HYDROCARBONS,

            Maybe you can find an answer to the question why countries that are not at all related to raw materials are in the top lines? Maybe we should pay attention to them, and not to Qatar and Norway.


            The problem is growing legs from the 90s. And why? Because you don't have to think too much.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 5 January 2021 11: 07
              -1
              Quote: WIKI
              Maybe you can find the answer to the question

              Yes Easy!
              If you suddenly "turn off" those three points to which I pointed out from the world economy, WHAT WILL HAPPEN ???
              I also want to clarify ... ENERGY !!! but without hydrocarbons, very little energy is generated, here the relationship is direct.
              PS on the question of why we are not the richest country, why our people do not ride like cheese in butter, with such resources, THIS IS A SEPARATE TOPIC.
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 18: 20
                0
                I found in the network the calculation of revenue from oil and gas, both for export and within the country for 2018, figures of 13,5 tons per month per capita came out, for such an amount you will not really ride like cheese, even without butter.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 5 January 2021 18: 24
                  0
                  Do we have nothing but oil and gas?
                  1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                    Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 19: 22
                    0
                    There are, of course, but other resources, against the background of oil and gas, give generally a penny, if per capita.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 5 January 2021 19: 33
                      0
                      it is necessary to look at the statistics .... consider who is what is great.
            2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 19: 25
              +2
              Maybe you can find an answer to the question why countries that are not at all related to raw materials are in the top lines?


              Think about it yourself, Luxembourg is in 1st place, Germany is in 15th, I know what goods with high added value are made by Germany, but I have never heard of those from Luxembourg!
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 5 January 2021 16: 23
            +12
            Quote: rocket757
            And you see how it is done in the world ???
            A significant part of the production is also the extraction and processing of HYDROCARBONS !!! not just to the state of liquid for combustion in an internal combustion engine, but many, many different products of deep processing of natural hydrocarbons !!!

            These are not our methods!
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 5 January 2021 17: 24
              0
              We have all sorts of methods .... the balance was disturbed long ago, well, it just so happened that we have a lot more raw materials than we can process it at the moment.
              It will be corrected, no ... I don't know, because I don't really believe in the current government.
              The question is, what to do?
              It is also necessary to criticize, it is useful, but it is necessary to offer an alternative, some kind.
              It will not change anything by itself, because the top, sucked side by side, and so everything is comfortable.
        3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 09: 25
          +5
          Checkers or go, oil and gas processing, this is the production of a product with high added value! You yourself do not like it when they trade in raw materials, here they build factories for processing raw materials and producing polymers, you are wrong again! Again, the construction of these facilities is putting a burden on equipment suppliers domestically.
          The products of the Boguchansk and Taishet factories are stupidly aluminum ingots, again going to China.

          Do they go where they buy them, or is it better not to take them and close the plant? Russia is also full of aluminum consumers!
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 5 January 2021 10: 41
            +2
            Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
            oil and gas processing is the production of a product with high added value!

            We had the opportunity to produce products with high added value, but we slipped into a simple freebie. Watch the video above.
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 19: 27
              0
              https://youtu.be/DcwG40XxT8s
              Just a freebie, too?
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 7 January 2021 00: 36
                0
                Sorry! I can't watch when he says something. I can only read.
        4. ccsr
          ccsr 5 January 2021 11: 04
          +2
          Quote: Proton
          What you gave me - the bulk is again the same "oil and gas processing" ultimately aimed at the export of these same oil products - the same eggs, only in the other hand.

          A strange position - it means the United States with its shale is an advanced country, and we, developing the processing of hydrocarbon raw materials, just sucks for today.
          In my opinion, on the contrary, it is necessary to pile up all areas related to the energy business as soon as possible, if only because more and more countries are entering this industry, and if we get ahead now, it will be easier for us to compete with those who come later than us to this industry.
          You need to be afraid of the worst thing - God forbid, there will be an alternative energy that will use other renewable resources. That's when we get into trouble ...
          1. Revival
            Revival 5 January 2021 17: 04
            +2
            Compare the share of oil shale in the us economy and our raw materials and the question will disappear
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 5 January 2021 18: 13
              0
              Quote: Revival
              Compare the share of oil shale in the us economy and our raw materials and the question will disappear

              Well, if the Americans have such a small amount, then why does the American government give them huge preferences and insists that American companies provide LNG not only to Europe, but also to Asia?
              Can you intelligibly explain - what for to do little things, if the United States is such a successful country that its chickens do not peck money? True, this is someone else's money and there is an astronomical national debt, but they consider themselves successful businessmen - the drum is in their hands. Well, you open your ears and listen to what sounds they will extract from it, since you believe them.
              1. Revival
                Revival 6 January 2021 13: 15
                0
                Because for them it is small things, but for the displaced it is just a catastrophe, that's the point
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 6 January 2021 13: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: Revival
                  Because for them it is small things, but for the displaced it is just a catastrophe, that's the point

                  I would have believed it, if the Americans really wanted to strangle Russia, then 5-7 years ago they could easily disconnect us from SWIFT, block the Internet, ban Aeroflot flights, abandon our rocket engines, i.e. to deal a serious blow to us all over the world. But nothing was done, they sell their government securities to us, we trade on their exchange, their astronauts did flights to the ISS until recently - and you call this a "disaster" for us? Do you even know that all the Lexus and Highlanders that Toyota sells in Russia are made in the USA, and this is far from a few thousand a year. So, over the past ten years, I have not yet seen a single real US action that would have dealt a catastrophic blow to the Russian economy. They are exhausted, although we are not happy to bear the additional costs. But it is simply naive to think that squeezing us out with gas in Europe will bring down our economy - they still cannot do anything with the DPRK, but they are raising their feet against Russia, which has already transferred part of the gas to China. It's ridiculous to take all this seriously ...
            2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 18: 15
              +1
              Compare the real sector of the economy in our country and in the USA hi
              1. Revival
                Revival 6 January 2021 13: 13
                -1
                And what did this comparison show you?
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 6 January 2021 18: 43
                  +1
                  80% of the US economy is services (for example, lawyers) and the bubble of stock exchanges, and the real sector is not that big, and any such blow to it, as with shale producers, is very sensitive!
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 7 January 2021 01: 04
                    0
                    Have you come up with 80%?
                    Slantsy there in the area of ​​interest hang out
                    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                      Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 January 2021 10: 20
                      0
                      Google if you don't believe. Do you have an outlook on life, or do you live so curly? Of the 20% of the real sector, a whole percent is out, this is billions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs! They already have problems with unemployment, and then they still have such a "surprise", okay there are all sorts of managers, they will write out a golden parachute, but where are ordinary hard workers?
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 January 2021 07: 22
      0
      Site "made by us". But he hasn't been happy lately.
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 09: 57
        -1
        Why doesn't he make you happy?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 5 January 2021 10: 33
          -5
          There's demagoguery and guarding lodges
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 14: 04
            -1
            If it's not a secret what exactly is expressed
            demagoguery and guarding lodges
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 5 January 2021 14: 23
              0
              A screwdriver assembly of foreign products is issued for breakthroughs, small factories and production facilities are also closed later.
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 19: 30
                +1
                I don’t remember that on SuN they gave out small production and screwdriver assembly for breakthroughs, we probably read different sites with you hi
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        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 5 January 2021 11: 48
          +3
          Much has become in the mode: "Spring has passed, summer has come - thanks to the party for that."
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 5 January 2021 10: 09
      +1
      Quote: Proton
      But, unfortunately, I cannot find such materials on the Internet. It's a pity.

      Et you're just tired of NG. laughing
      https://globuc.com/ru/cisdownstream/5-new-petrochemical-projects-in-russia/
      Read ....
  5. Free wind
    Free wind 5 January 2021 06: 28
    -9
    They don't build, so they don't need it. It was built in the sixties without any problems. The fact that the price of gas will grow is far from a fact. More than once it was already when they got high on the pipe, and prices suddenly collapsed. Firstly, we ourselves increase gas production, which actually reduces its price. Secondly, green energy is developing, no matter how we grin at some Gretta, the construction of wind and solar power plants is growing. There are even notes that ships with sail installations are being built. Naturally, fuel consumption also decreases. Australia is actively increasing the extraction and production of liquefied gas, as well as in Saudi Arabia. And it's just that the population in Europe is declining.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 5 January 2021 07: 02
      +8
      Gas, like oil, is not only an energy source, it is also a raw material for industry.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 5 January 2021 07: 25
        -7
        Plastic in the world is recycled and put into business again, paper containers are also used, the same bags, and again muculature is collected and processed. So far, they cannot make progress with tires, if they invent a material with characteristics like rubber and with the possibility of subsequent processing again into wheels, it will be very difficult for gas and oil workers.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 5 January 2021 11: 09
          +4
          Quote: Free Wind
          Plastic in the world is recycled and put into business again, paper containers are also used, the same bags, and again muculature is collected and processed.

          Everything is correct, only you do not take into account that the higher the percentage of waste recycling, the more energy-consuming this production is. So here it is impossible without energy, although it is assumed that part of the energy will be obtained by burning the waste itself, but it will not be enough for processing until 85-90% is released.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 5 January 2021 07: 33
        +4
        Quote: VORON538
        Gas, like oil, is not only an energy source, it is also a raw material for industry.

        This is poorly said, raw materials, yes, yes, this is the INDUSTRY, our very life, and perhaps many, many others.
        If you remember how it began and grew ???
        the union of coal and steel, you can safely add gas and oil to it!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 January 2021 09: 55
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          If you remember how it began and grew ???

          Those who were pinched by Nord Stream began to inflate. And the rest, according to the saying "If the neighbor's dog barks, then why don't I bark too."
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 January 2021 09: 58
            -1
            Nothing new, every little thing gets lost in a pack and still strives to lay under someone big.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 5 January 2021 11: 21
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Nothing new, every little thing gets lost in a pack and still strives to lay under someone big.

              Life is so difficult - a dog's.
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 5 January 2021 16: 10
          +11
          Quote: rocket757
          the union of coal and steel, you can safely add gas and oil to it!

          This is the promised breakthrough.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 January 2021 16: 50
            -2
            Who, what, who promised that?
            So I don't listen to all sorts of fairy tales that different storytellers tell ...
            Therefore, the question, I missed something "important", did not hear?
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 5 January 2021 07: 27
      +1
      We won't need anything in Chinese trainers
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 January 2021 10: 00
        -1
        Well, yes, they can also promise themselves to all kinds of gadjits, and that's it, they will be happy.
        Dullness, inferiority, rolls over our entire society, on the planet.
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 5 January 2021 16: 21
      +14
      Quote: Free Wind
      Secondly, green energy is developing, no matter how we grin at some Gretta, the construction of wind and solar power plants is growing. There are even notes that ships with sail installations are being built.

      I apologize greatly, but there is a presidential decree on the energy security of the Russian Federation, which clearly states that green energy and other alternatives are a threat to the security of the Russian Federation.
      I wouldn't be surprised if a rabid printer passes the law criminalizing the use of solar panels and wind turbines in three readings at once.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 January 2021 17: 11
        +1
        "green energy" does not pay for itself ... so it will be a burden on the rest of the industry.
        It is possible to move it forward by a strong-willed, political decision, BUT ... until the technology for generating such energy reaches a level of at least zero losses, it itself, without artificial, forcible pushing it everywhere and everywhere, will not go. Everyone knows how to count BABOSIKI and will be able to distinguish between plus and minus.
        By the way, technologies are needed for a more or less clean production of elements, components of what is called "green, progressive".
        In general, when not later .... if they do not come up with something cleaner, safer.
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 5 January 2021 17: 42
          -5
          It pays for itself, in Europe the roofs of private houses are made from solar panels, they have long since fallen in price and the states of the owners of such roofs are subsidizing. Windmills have been used since ancient times, it seems that only Donkey Hot fought with them, however unsuccessfully. Electric cars are no longer exotic at all, of course, with our cold weather, a lot is not very feasible here, but science is developing, maybe there will be some breakthroughs, how long have they dreamed of autopilots for atoms, and now this is already a reality.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 January 2021 18: 04
            +4
            Quote: Free Wind
            the states of the owners of such roofs subsidize

            WHERE do the subsidies come from? From a camel, or what?
            The price of electricity generated by any other energy, not green, is strictly CHEAPER!
            By the way, I defended my diploma project on the subject "Power supply of industrial enterprises" ... also, I have a mini solar power plant, it is already five years ago. I designed it myself, assembled it, now it works and heats up a 230 liter boiler. I use it for hot water supply and heating, but in parallel with a gas boiler, because otherwise it will not work, too EXPENSIVE, even when you do everything yourself.
            Those. as an additional source of energy, a little, a little, to save on gas.
            There will be alternative energy, but then ... when technologies catch up with someone's / our wishes. In the meantime, coal, oil, gas and of course the atom.
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 5 January 2021 18: 31
        0
        I wouldn't be surprised if a rabid printer passes the law criminalizing the use of solar panels and wind turbines in three readings at once.


        Write some kind of heresy, in Russia there is a production of both wind turbines and solar panels, every year new wind and solar power plants are introduced.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 6 January 2021 04: 35
          0
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          new wind and solar power plants are commissioned every year.

          Are they mocking worms?
    4. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 5 January 2021 16: 39
      +1
      At the expense of ships, sails are beautiful. An LNG engine is expensive, but possible, and an engine powered by sulfur-free fuel is "sweet fuel." All this will hit the pocket of the end consumer. ecology in last place.
      1. Motorist
        Motorist 6 January 2021 00: 27
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        reminds of a show with freonomi in the 90s

        The show with freons continues: in the EU, the R-404a cylinder is more than 2000 euros, outside the EU - less than 1000 US dollars (also an exorbitant price, by the way). I'm generally silent about R-22 ...

        PS Amendment R-404a, 45 kg - 3200 euros in Bremerhaven!
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 January 2021 09: 51
    -2
    However, Poland and Ukraine, which the United States simply cannot stimulate to protest indefinitely, seem to be beginning to understand something.

    They understand everything, but the credo "do not die, I will take a bite" is above all. Although, what does Poland and especially Ukraine care about when neither one nor the other from Nord Stream-2 gets anything. And where is this Ukraine and Nord Stream.
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 January 2021 11: 07
    +1
    The main thing is that in the event that Germany (and therefore Europe) is defeated in the battle for the SP-2, they cannot win in any way. Gazprom will no longer offer another transit to the old continent.

    This means that its turn to the East (so far, actually, more declared than real) will simply become a fait accompli.



    Another thing is that the money was spent on the pipe.
  8. Avior
    Avior 5 January 2021 11: 35
    +4
    ... This means that its turn to the East (so far, in fact, more declared than real) will simply become a fait accompli.

    Yeah. Just a great idea. As soon as China sees that there is no alternative to it as a buyer, it will bring prices down to zero, and it will also have to pay extra.
    And all because the author wants to refuse from selling gas to the solvent and very profitable European market. Its author is ready to drain the American liquefied gas, if only gas is not pumped through Ukraine. To spite my mother's ears to freeze: ((((
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 5 January 2021 16: 08
      +14
      Quote: Avior
      Its author is ready to drain the American liquefied gas, if only gas is not pumped through Ukraine.

      I am very sorry, but every day you are told that Ukraine is the enemy of humanity.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 5 January 2021 18: 27
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Yeah. Just a great idea. As soon as China sees that there is no alternative to it as a buyer, it will bring prices down to zero, and it will also have to pay extra.

      This is possible when industrial production in China collapses and they all return to coal to heat their homes and their boilers. Dream about this option ...
      Quote: Avior
      And all because the author wants to refuse to sell gas to the solvent and very profitable European market.

      It's a strange approach - everyone shouts that you can't put all your eggs in one basket, and as soon as they started doing this at Gazprom, they immediately shouted "Help, you can't do this." Why don't we have the right to have two major buyers of our gas - can you explain?
      Are you even friends with logic?
      Quote: Avior
      Its author is ready to drain the American liquefied gas, if only gas is not pumped through Ukraine.

      You have a short memory as I see it - you quickly forgot the gas wars under Yushchenko, which is a pity. But the point is not even that, but that the SP-1 and SP-2 have a shorter route and transit fees are lower than those of the Ukrainians. With what joy should we maintain Svidomo to our detriment?
      Well, tell us about your super-idea to feed these freeloaders - I would like to understand what drives you in your "argumentation", since you are pushing it so hard here.
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 January 2021 18: 35
        -2
        Tell the Chinese when they see that they are the main buyers.
        Are you friends with logic?
        And first, read what it is about.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 5 January 2021 18: 45
          +3
          Quote: Avior
          Tell the Chinese when they see that they are the main buyers.

          Those. you have already decided for the Europeans that they will completely give up our gas. It is interesting that only the inhabitants of Ukraine think so, or we also have such advanced thinkers in Russia.
          Quote: Avior
          And first, read what it is about.

          It's not about anything at all, because the pipeline will be completed anyway, and gas will flow through it bypassing Ukraine in four years - that's for sure. So all the current dances around SP-2 remind me of the history of the construction of the Crimean bridge, which could not have been built, according to the conclusions of Ukrainian "experts".
          1. Avior
            Avior 5 January 2021 18: 59
            +1
            If you undertake to comment, read at least what you are commenting on
            hi
  9. iouris
    iouris 5 January 2021 11: 42
    0
    While the fat one dries, the thin one dies. Who will benefit from it and when?
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 January 2021 14: 50
    0
    Gazprom announced 38 billion cubic meters for the Power of Siberia for this year. Maybe it will work! Wait a day, the pumping has increased dramatically. Zama, however.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 January 2021 14: 54
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Gazprom has announced 38 billion cubic meters of the Power of Siberia for this year. Maybe it will work out! Wait, the daily pumping has increased dramatically

      Which is approx. 2-3% of total supplies. Funny, is not it?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 January 2021 15: 07
        0
        Gas exports as of December 24, 179 billion cubic meters, 10 billion of the plan for China last year did not seem to have reached, boy, let's see how it turns out this year according to the plan 38 billion There is gas, production has increased significantly.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 5 January 2021 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Gas exports as of December 24, 179 billion cubic meters, 10 billion of the plan for China last year did not seem to have reached, boy, let's see how it turns out this year according to the plan 38 billion There is gas, production has increased significantly.

          How many times? What are you talking about? And our gas is fucking unnecessary for our tea, not well, if only for free. SS is the same sawing bullshit as SP-2.
          We need to start facing the truth in 2021 - everything was stolen from us.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 5 January 2021 15: 56
            -6
            China bought $ 183 per cubic meter from us in December. Under the USSR, they drove gas to Europe and lived nothing like that. And now we live. And who stole this opinion from whom, I live at the expense of taxes and at work, at competitions in hockey the sides always have the logo of Gazprom. Hence my salary. I don’t earn money, but I receive, which is what I wish for you.
            1. Free wind
              Free wind 5 January 2021 16: 52
              +4
              Gazprom announced that they are in a deep priest, suffer big losses, Putin got emotional and promised to help, so you get not from Gazprom, but me and others like me.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 January 2021 18: 46
              +3
              Quote: tralflot1832
              Under the Soviet Union, gas was pumped to Europe, and we lived there and now we live.

              The USSR had the most powerful industry and GDP growth for all years was at least 7%! How can you compare the USSR with a gang of thieves with the abbreviation AOZTRF? You can lie to yourself as much as you want, but I don’t need it. hi
        2. Free wind
          Free wind 5 January 2021 16: 49
          -2
          According to the SS, out of 22 wells in Yakutia, 15 turned out to be empty, someone cruelly deceived someone in short. And China demands deliveries under the contract, in fact, they will pay the penalty. In Ukraine, the same fingers were bent, they say, we will cut off the gas, cut off, flew 12 billion dollars, but they were like water off a duck's back, we were paid.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 5 January 2021 17: 14
            0
            Even I don’t believe you after Gazprom’s report on deliveries for the Power of Siberia dated January 5, from the word completely. Sources are highly specialized sites. Yes, and the shares flooded from the bottom at 156 rubles, now it’s already 213. So Klava to help you.
  11. kig
    kig 5 January 2021 15: 21
    +1
    All this leapfrog with the change of ship owners no longer matters after DNV refuses to participate. The move is very strong, insidious and precisely aimed. It is very possible that the pipe will be welded until better times.
    1. nikolai.shupenin
      nikolai.shupenin 5 January 2021 16: 15
      0
      imagine what this happened to the states. they would start a war
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 5 January 2021 18: 32
      +1
      Quote: kig
      It is very possible that the pipe will be welded until better times.

      And who will compensate the billions of dollars in losses to the Europeans - tell us in more detail, because there will certainly be litigation over such amounts. At least name the source of coverage for losses - it is very interesting to learn such information from you.
      1. kig
        kig 6 January 2021 04: 47
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        very interesting to know

        How would I know? Here the lawsuits will pass and we will find out.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 6 January 2021 11: 29
          0
          Quote: kig
          The lawsuits will pass and we will find out

          How will they go if the German government has not banned the construction of the SP-2 so far and there has not even been a discussion in the German government?
          Remember how it was with the Mistrals, when the French government returned the money to us, and compensated its shipbuilders for the costs of resale of these helicopter carriers. To whom can SP-2 be "resold", especially since its price is at least 10 billion dollars? Finally understand that these are huge sums, and no one from the German budget will allow them to be taken in order to compensate for the losses of shareholders.
    3. Motorist
      Motorist 6 January 2021 00: 50
      0
      Quote: kig
      doesn't matter anymore after DNV refuses to participate

      Well, that everyone clung to this DNV GL ?! He was chosen by North Stream AG in the design, because it is "own", European; even more so - the former [partly] GL (Germanischer Lloyd). Already wrote above (and under other news) for RMRS - nothing worse.
      1. kig
        kig 6 January 2021 02: 59
        +1
        Quote: Motorist
        Well, that everyone clung to this DNV GL?

        You just don't know what DNV-GL is
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 6 January 2021 20: 15
          +1
          Quote: kig
          You just don't know

          Well, I do know something ... yes

          Quote: kig
          what is DNV-GL

          For example, I know that the North American branch of DNVGL refuses to survey ships that have entered Cuba. Instead, it is proposed to send an inspector from Europe (for big money, of course!). And they call themselves an independent classification society!

          Therefore, the feint with the ears with the SP-2 did not surprise me a bit.

          Maybe you can enlighten me why the certification of offshore pipelines from DNVGL is better than from RMRS? hi
          1. kig
            kig 7 January 2021 07: 50
            0
            Why do you think DNV was chosen for pipe inspection? It would seem that Russia is building, but we have our own Register. Apparently, DNV has much more experience and authority in the international arena. In addition, our Register will also fall under sanctions as soon as it stutters. You can, of course, ask Mongolia with its own Register ...
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 7 January 2021 09: 15
              -1
              Because Rosregister does not have a license for the certification of oil equipment in international waters, except for tankers for transportation ... And to obtain such a license, you have to go through so many things that will require more than one year and the transformation of the entire service, and this is in the current conditions, when Russia is put a spoke in its wheels, all and sundry, it's just impossible.
              1. kig
                kig 7 January 2021 10: 04
                +1
                Generally speaking, our Register has a program of certification and issuance of certificates for offshore pipelines, but how serious is it?
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 7 January 2021 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: kig
              Why do you think DNV was chosen for pipe inspection? It would seem that Russia is building, but we have our own Register.

              I think because half of the capital of Western investors played a decisive role in this - they simply put forward this condition when preparing the project. This practice exists all over the world all over the world.
              But here's what pleased us now:
              Great Britain made relief in the sanctions regime against Crimea
              Britain, which withdrew from the European Union last February, has eased sanctions against Crimea. This is reported in the general license published on the website of the government of the United Kingdom. Now British ships are allowed to pay the State Unitary Enterprise "Crimean Sea Ports" for port services.
              “In accordance with the license INT / 2020/059, persons can make payments from non-frozen funds to the state unitary enterprise of the Republic of Crimea“ Crimean Sea Ports ”for services provided in the ports of the Kerch Fishing Port, Yalta Commercial Port and Yevpatoriya Commercial Port, as well as for services, provided by the "State Hydrography" [branch of the State Unitary Enterprise "Crimean Sea Ports"] and the port terminals of the "Crimean Sea Ports" ", - the document says.
              The license came into effect on January 1.

              And this is a landmark event for Lloyd and all companies that are somehow connected with Russia in maritime transactions.
            3. Motorist
              Motorist 7 January 2021 20: 27
              0
              Hello. hi You have already been answered, and I'll insert my five kopecks.

              Quote: kig
              why exactly DNV was chosen for pipe inspection?

              I wrote about this above, comrade. ccsr is also of the same opinion.

              Quote: kig
              Apparently, DNV has much more experience and authority in the international arena.

              Well, here I have to disagree again: the authority of DNVGL is melting before our eyes. For example, I recently visited a couple of young steamers (7 years old), which passed the annual survey a month ago - killed in the trash. The same can be said about Lloyd's Register. Overseas, you know, is not always good and uncorrupted ...

              Yes, and Cuba they will not forget and will not forgive! The RMRS, by the way, has a representative office in Cuba - this is the question of the fear of sanctions from the Greatest Democratic Power. But in the USA, just, there is none ...

              Quote: kig
              You can, of course, ask Mongolia with its own Register ...

              Here, excuse me, is generally an incorrect comparison! Among other things, the Mongolian Register does not supervise the offshore pipelines. request

              What Comrade Snitch N9 - I don't understand at all: what does oil have to do with it, and where does such a little chaotic information come from. Maybe he himself works in the Register? lol
              1. kig
                kig 8 January 2021 04: 11
                +1
                It was ironic about the Mongolian register. For the rest, you have to wait. And see what happens.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 8 January 2021 13: 31
                  0
                  Quote: kig
                  And see what happens.

                  But what will happen:
                  6 hours ago, source: RBK
                  Germany decided to create a fund to bypass the sanctions on Nord Stream 2
                  The parliament of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern has voted to create a special environmental fund that can participate in the completion of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, Zeit Online reports. environment and climate.
                  He will also have the opportunity to participate in the completion of the construction of the gas pipeline, including purchasing the necessary parts and equipment. This is done in order to bypass the US sanctions imposed earlier this year, writes Zeit.
                  1. kig
                    kig 9 January 2021 03: 35
                    -1
                    Yeah, and even invested 200 tons of euros in this fund. Region in Germany with a population of 1 million people ... Don't be ridiculous.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 9 January 2021 11: 54
                      0
                      Quote: kig
                      Yeah, and even invested 200 tons of euros in this fund. Region in Germany with a population of 1 million people ... Don't be ridiculous.

                      You have no idea what a fund is and how it works, but you have already made "profound conclusions." Read who is behind this:
                      The state will receive € 200 in the authorized capital of the organization. Another € 20 million has already been donated to the structure by the Nord Stream 2 operator, the Nord Stream 2 AG consortium (its sole shareholder is PJSC Gazprom), the regional authorities said.
                      Open Media reports
                      https://openmedia.io/news/n1/v-frg-poyavitsya-fond-dlya-obxoda-antirossijskix-sankcij-operator-severnogo-potoka-2-uzhe-peredal-emu-e20-mln/
                      1. kig
                        kig 9 January 2021 17: 13
                        0
                        No matter how it works, it's not even a mosquito squeak for sanctions. And you, I see, are already clapping your hands - well, of course, the environmental protection fund stood up for sp2. Continue.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 9 January 2021 19: 23
                        0
                        Quote: kig
                        No matter how it works, it's not even a mosquito squeak for sanctions.

                        This "mosquito squeak" is a hundred times larger than what you brought - and that already says everything. Moreover, it has just been brought in.
                        Quote: kig
                        And you, I see, are already clapping your hands - well, of course, the environmental protection fund stood up for sp2. Continue.

                        Yes, this is a pleasant event, proving that our people are not bastards, and the Americans will have to wipe themselves off once again with their sanctions.
                      3. kig
                        kig 10 January 2021 03: 13
                        0
                        Empty skirmish. Let's finish.
            4. Motorist
              Motorist 8 January 2021 21: 52
              0
              Quote: kig
              It was ironic about the Mongolian register.

              Yes, I was joking too. bully You go to the site of this "register": what it does not do! Well, in general, he doesn't do everything ... No. A pad for absorbing additional money supply when hanging a Mongolian banner on a steamer (one of the flags of convenience, by the way). I understand the Mongols and don't blame them - the system is to blame.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 January 2021 16: 01
    +1
    Everything, instead of a few weeks from uraidiots, turns into the end of summer. Can I disperse? Well settled, under this business it is possible to withdraw money for a very long time under the pretext of breaking the lobby of all involved and non-involved countries. And how convenient it is.
    1. agond
      agond 5 January 2021 17: 42
      -1
      Quote: Free Wind
      Ukraine bent the same fingers, they say, we will cut off the gas, cut off, flew 12 billion dollars, but they were like water off a duck's back, we were paid.

      So maybe one should get out of the jurisdiction of international commercial arbitration, because the task of any court as such is to find a balance of interests from the parties, and if there is no balance, then it is no longer a court. everyone knows their court is an appendix to their sanctions. ... it turns out like in that saying "the strong does what he wants, and the weak appeals to the law" I recalled the story of the captain of the players about how they sometimes played for money with another team in the eighties, I asked him how the refereeing was, he answers, " and we didn't need judges, we knew what to do without them "
      1. Svlad
        Svlad 5 January 2021 21: 11
        +2
        The article reminded me of a detective novel. The music of the gentlemen of fortune sounded. Ship a, under cover of night, met with ship b. Under cover we moved to the place of the meeting. Disgrace
        1. Svlad
          Svlad 5 January 2021 21: 25
          +2
          And at this time, the customer brought my gas to his house. Private house. 30 meters of pipe. I gave 450 pieces for it !!!. You will laugh, but the boy was not given gas. Your village does not pay plainly, they say.
          Create a public organization and stick to the city district. I have not heard such a mat from the fleet
          1. Svlad
            Svlad 5 January 2021 21: 45
            +3
            And now we count. 30 meters of pipe and my excavator. Minimum salary 4 hours 1200 hour delivery 3000 plus pipe coupling and one hard worker. This is 30 thousand. Further in the house there is a boiler, well, let's take for 70 plus a pump, filter work, acceptance ... well, another 120. It turns out 300 pieces for a pipe project? National treasure? In Austria, it is twice cheaper and without its own gas
            1. Soko
              Soko 7 January 2021 23: 31
              +18
              Quote: Svlad
              In Austria, it is twice cheaper and without its own gas

              Austria in the decaying West. And we vote 70% for Rotenbergs / Grefs / Chubais / Khristenko, etc. Therefore, ours is more expensive.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 5 January 2021 21: 50
    +2
    In my provincial opinion ...
    The main trouble is that there will be a flow / there will be no flow ...
    The ordinary / regular population will only get tops.
    Taken off the top of the taxation of the roots.
    Thus, an ordinary man in the street (i.e. I) - how far from
    dividing what he is weakly interested in (from the word completely), what is there, but how will happen ...
    In general, it is certainly better to have it built (probably).
    But there are suspicions that this will not change anything fundamentally for the population.
    If we again started broadcasting something for the pension fund (during advertising). This is not good ...
    1. Svlad
      Svlad 5 January 2021 22: 02
      0
      I mean that some comrades will soon crack the face. In the comments above, I wrote that gas wiring to a private house costs a maximum of 150 thousand, together with a boiler and in general with everything.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 5 January 2021 22: 56
        +1
        One hundred and fifty thousand rubles is an unacceptable cost of work (excluding boilers, convectors and gas water heaters).
        This, even godly, is taken from you.
        I myself live in the private sector. True, the gas pipeline was carried out during the UA.
        The cost was also severe, but it was not a very gas producing country.
        One boiler now costs from thirty to infinity thousand rubles. Everything else is also worth a lot of money.
        The state is still trying to sell its services to the fascists for some reason, instead of investing in their territories. Where the risks are many times less!
        At this point, I absolutely do not understand our state.
        That is, of course, there is currency! There are rubles ...
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 6 January 2021 11: 40
      -1
      Quote: Benzorez
      But there are suspicions that this will not change anything fundamentally for the population.

      The issue was fundamentally resolved by the Great October Socialist Revolution, for which many thanks to our ancestors, because they were courageous people who believed in the possibility of building a just society.
      When we have such in the majority, then it will be possible to talk about how to build a new just society, where all the wishes of the majority of workers will be taken into account.
      Until then, all the tears of those who in 1991 gave up their "birthright" for the sake of sausage look hypocritical in my opinion. So let us leave the Manilovism naive, and we will build at least a developed capitalism that will be competitive against the rest of the world, because in this fierce struggle either they will crush us, or we will keep them on a nuclear hook and thus survive.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 6 January 2021 19: 53
        0
        There is no reason to disagree.
        However, today I am not ready enough for revolutionary events.
        It's not even about me. But, in the fact that I will be in the overwhelming minority.
        Nobody will go. Except maybe one guy ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 6 January 2021 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: Benzorez
          However, today I am not ready enough for revolutionary events.

          I am not a supporter of this path at all, because I know what all this will result in.
  • Dmitriy66
    Dmitriy66 6 January 2021 06: 54
    -1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
    new wind and solar power plants are commissioned every year.

    Are they mocking worms?

    This is one of the components of green energy - a mockery of the underground inhabitants of planet Earth!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 6 January 2021 19: 55
      0
      Wind farms are a utopia.
      1. kig
        kig 7 January 2021 07: 59
        -1
        Quote: Benzorez
        Wind farms are utopia

        Meanwhile, in another Galaxy ..
        .
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 7 January 2021 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: kig
          Meanwhile, in another Galaxy ..

          In the "other galaxy" now they also scratch their turnips:
          .
          ..Secondly, the oldest wind turbines in Germany are already starting to turn 20 years old. And according to local laws, a 20-year-old turbine must be disassembled and recycled - unless the owner spends money on its repair and modernization and proves to a special commission that the device is working. And next year 7 thousand out of 25 thousand operating wind turbines will be 15 years old.
          The fact that over the past 10 years technologies for producing energy from wind have made a big step forward also plays a role, and modern wind turbines are able to generate several times more energy than their predecessors. Already, replacing a turbine with a new one instead of repairing an old one looks like a more profitable enterprise. However, the repair of old wind turbines becomes unprofitable for another reason.
          The production of renewable energy in Germany is subsidized by the state. There are fixed prices for the energy generated by wind turbines - high enough for the wind turbine to pay off. But the subsidies stop after 20 years of using the wind turbine, after which its maintenance becomes economically impractical.
          At the same time, the decommissioning of a windmill - disassembly and disposal - costs € 30000 for one windmill. Since the windmills have to be made of gigantic proportions to produce enough energy, two 150-ton cranes have to be used to disassemble the windmill. If, as some owners do, mindlessly throw a huge windmill to the ground, then it will then be much more difficult to dispose of or sell on the secondary market.
          A number of wind turbines (and these are structures of 160 meters in height and weighing more than a hundred tons) can be used for metal processing. Also, according to experts, there is a demand for German wind turbines in the secondary markets in Poland, Italy and Russia. But still, the complexity of the task of recycling old gigantic structures increases as their number increases.
          And in a few years, offshore wind turbines standing in the open sea will begin to become obsolete - they began to be installed only in 2010, and so far no one has tried to dismantle them.
  • BAI
    BAI 8 January 2021 14: 18
    -3
    The thing is that the situation with SP-2 has been brought to the point of no return. Whatever the outcome - someone has to disgrace himself - either Russia (the project collapsed), or the United States (to complete the project). US odds are preferred.