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The main achievements of Russian shipbuilding in 2020

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Shipbuilding in Russia traditionally has a difficult time: especially in light of the introduction of sanctions by the West and the already familiar coronavirus pandemic. Nevertheless, the country in 2020 was able to boast of a number of major achievements in this area. We are talking (including) about surface ships and submarines.

Transfer of the frigate "Admiral Kasatonov" to the fleet


On July 15, a solemn ceremony was held at Severnaya Verf ceremony signing of the acceptance certificate of the first serial frigate of project 22350 "Admiral fleet Kasatonov ".

Named after Admiral of the Fleet Vladimir Kasatonov and launched in 2014, the ship was commissioned on July 21, 2020. The ceremony of accepting the ship into the fleet and raising the Andreevsky flag on it was held on the roadstead of the Neva. Like the lead frigate of the series ("Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov"), the new ship was added to the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy.

Ships of project 22350 have a displacement (total) of 5400 tons, a length of 135 meters and are capable of speeds of about 30 knots. The crew includes approximately 200 people.


Photo: Press Service of the Northern Fleet

"Admiral Kasatonov" has become one of the largest new ships in the Russian fleet: ten such frigates are planned to be built.

The importance of the program can hardly be overestimated. Especially when you consider that the future of the promising Russian destroyer "Leader" of Project 23560 at the moment is, to put it mildly, vague. And old Soviet ships will not be able to operate forever.

Of good News - possible equipping this frigate with the latest hypersonic missile "Zircon", which will supplement the arsenal of Project 22350 frigates with the missiles "Caliber" and "Onyx". The new product (like these missiles) can be launched from the 3S14 universal shipborne firing complex (UKSK).

We also note that in July two more frigates of Project 22350 were laid down in Russia - Admiral Yumashev and Admiral Spiridonov.

Bookmark of Project 23900 universal amphibious assault ships


The main one (without exaggeration historical) an event for Russian shipbuilding in 2020 was the laying of the first universal landing ships in Russian history. The first two UDCs of project 23900 - Ivan Rogov and Mitrofan Moskalenko - were laid down on July 20, 2020 at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch. It is assumed that all the main components will be of domestic production.

Russia and the USSR have vast experience in operating various amphibious assault ships, but the country has never had real representatives of this subclass.


Photo: JSC "Zelenodolsk Design Bureau"

The UDC combines most of the functions required for the landing of the Marine Corps. Russian universal amphibious assault ships of project 23900 of the Ivan Rogov type can be called a conditional analogue of the French Mistrals, which France had previously refused to transfer to the Russian Federation. However, there are serious differences between them. If the displacement (full) of the French ship is 21 thousand tons, then the Russian one - 30 thousand tons.

It is assumed that on board the Russian UDC it will be possible to place up to a thousand marines, up to 75 units of military equipment, up to four landing boats in the dock chamber. The air group will include up to 16 Ka-29 landing helicopters, Ka-27, Ka-31 (RER) anti-submarine helicopters, Ka-52K attack helicopters and several drones.

The total cost of the contract is estimated at about 100 billion rubles, which, according to some experts, is twice the price of the Mistrals. However, other experts suggest not to compare the UDC.

The Mistral was originally a command ship, and only later became a universal amphibious assault ship. He initially lacked many of the systems provided for the warship. Our Project Priboy (another name for Project 23900. - Ed.) Is a real universal amphibious assault ship, which is equipped with all the necessary combat systems,

- Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, said earlier about this.

The main achievements of Russian shipbuilding in 2020

The first of the Russian UDCs is to be handed over to the fleet in 2026, the second in 2027.

This program involuntarily raises another important question: will the country (even in the distant future) receive not only its first UDCs, but also the first "full-fledged" aircraft carrier.

You can, of course, succumb to all sorts of speculations, but so far one thing is clear: if the country has its own aircraft carrier in the foreseeable future, then its name will be “Admiral Kuznetsov”. Tests of the upgraded ship, according to some reports, should begin in 2022.

Transfer to the fleet K-549 "Prince Vladimir"


As for nuclear submarines, the main event of 2020 can be called the transfer of the strategic nuclear submarine K-549 "Prince Vladimir" to the fleet in May.

This submarine is the fourth (last for today) generation.


Photo: JSC "Sevmash"

"Prince Vladimir" - the fourth boat of the project 955 "Borey" and the first, executed as part of the modernization program and received the designation 955A.

This is potentially the most advanced strategic missile submarine in Russian history.

According to the data presented in open sources, in comparison with the previously built "Boreas", the submarine has less noise, better maneuverability, increased ability to hold at depth and a more advanced airborne weapons control system.

Despite the earlier rumors about an increase in the number of ballistic missiles, their number, as far as can be judged, remained the same: 16 R-30 solid-propellant ballistic missiles.

Barrel of tar


In theory, the rearmament of the naval component of the nuclear triad could be carried out more actively. But that's in theory.

In general, everything is learned by comparison: just look at the pace of construction and testing of the fourth generation multipurpose submarines of Project 885. Now one such ship is in service - the K-560 Severodvinsk submarine. She was included in the Navy back in 2014.

They wanted to transfer the second such (or rather, modernized) submarine (K-561 "Kazan") to the fleet by the end of 2020. But, as TASS reported with reference to its source in December, now they intend to do this already in 2021.

At the same time, the Navy should receive a third ship - K-573 "Novosibirsk".

But this year, two more submarines of Project 885M were laid down, which, undoubtedly, can also be considered a landmark moment of the program.


Photo: CrazyMk / forums.airbase.ru

The transfer to the Navy of the nuclear submarine (nuclear submarine) K-329 "Belgorod" of project 09852, which is to become the first carrier of unmanned underwater vehicles of the "Poseidon" type, was postponed to the next year.

Perhaps in 2021, the Pacific Fleet will receive two new Project 995 submarines.

In other words, it is the coming year (and not 2020) that may become the year of real rearmament of the Navy with new fourth-generation submarines.

At the same time, the active implementation of the program for the rearmament of the surface forces will continue.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 31 December 2020 04: 43
    -13%
    Photo: JSC "Zelenodolsk Design Bureau"
    what is the shield target?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 31 December 2020 04: 46
      -2
      40 pennants were planned, by the end of the year ... in the end?
      1. Far B
        Far B 31 December 2020 06: 14
        +1
        So it was planned for space launches 33, and in the end - 17. It was not the bottom that was pierced, but the bottom - since the beginning of the 60s, so little was launched.
        I’m wondering what other industry needs to break through so that the Sect of Witnesses of Putin’s Stability finally realizes in which direction this stability is steadily sliding? Or, in this case, nothing will help - someone because of the lack of a brain (brain or spinal), and someone because of the fact that dead American presidents are blindfolded?
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 31 December 2020 08: 10
          +9
          To complete the picture, I have to clarify: who was the customer of the launches and for what reasons some of them did not take place?
          1. arkadiyssk
            arkadiyssk 31 December 2020 08: 48
            +13
            Well, okay this year half of 35 failed, including because of the bankruptcy of OneWeb.
            But last year, too, we started with a plan of 45 missiles. Joyful Rogozin sat in front of Putin and impudently rubbed him, but in fact 21. “In 2018, we carried out 22 launches. In 2019, Vladimir Vladimirovich, 45 launches are to be launched - an increase of more than two times. The workload is great, but I think we can handle it " And the same thing happened in 2018, when they dreamed of 30 and there were 16. Moreover, he lied to Putin there too - adding in 16 Russian launches, also Guiana. They turn out to be lying all the time, in my opinion, knowing perfectly well that they will certainly not fulfill the plans.
            1. Old Orc
              Old Orc 31 December 2020 11: 09
              +12
              Rogozin did not lie to Putin. or rather, I did not lie to Putin. All their words for the press are words for the electorate (please note, not the people), the goal is to give a reason to drink in the new year (with which I congratulate everyone) with faith, even though it sucks now, but tomorrow we wow. And it is most correct to look not at the words-promises, but at the deeds. There is no need to hope that incompetent people are sitting there. There are professionals sitting there. And they get exactly the result they need. And they rub in on us about something else.
            2. Pushkar
              Pushkar 31 December 2020 14: 44
              -1
              Quote: arkadiyssk
              dreamed of 30 and took place on 16.

              And let's consider what has been done, not what has not been done. For example, today I have planned to drink a liter of cognac (and I would like two), but if I don't drink it, then "everything is gone, we will all die"?
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 31 December 2020 08: 16
          -2
          Not the bottom is pierced, but the bottom - since the beginning of the 60s so little

          we will flip the flat Earth and find ourselves from under the bottom - on top of everyone. running in a circle is one thing, but vertically is quite another
        3. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 31 December 2020 10: 07
          +8
          I'm wondering what other industry needs to break through the bottom,

          And then the number of launches and the bottom is punched. A lot of things are being built and done in the country. of course I would like to, even faster, but nevertheless.
        4. Alexander I
          Alexander I 31 December 2020 12: 33
          +11
          In vain do you count the successes in terms of the number of launches, they really are, take at least a short launch into orbit and docking to the ISS, the launch of a heavy rocket, I think there is a lot more.
          1. arkadiyssk
            arkadiyssk 1 January 2021 11: 43
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            Quote: AlexanderI
            take at least a short launch into orbit and docking to the ISS

            As the understanding is outlined - it will not be necessary to be proud of it at all. You are generally aware of the opinion that the cracks on the ISS are precisely because of these heroic "short and fast" docks. When, for the sake of PR, we drag the entire ISS down into orbit, quickly join the progress (as it turns out sometimes with a push through the station) and then drag it up again? I somehow don't believe in the stories about Rogozin's micrometeorites, but rather believe in assumptions about simply pulling apart the skin with such docking.
        5. A_Lex
          A_Lex 31 December 2020 21: 49
          -3
          The sect of Witnesses to Putin's Stability finally realized


          It is not in the rules of fanatics to change beliefs.
        6. leonek16
          leonek16 1 January 2021 05: 15
          0
          Did you come out at 91 in support of Yeltsin?
          1. An K-s
            An K-s 1 January 2021 12: 22
            -2
            Most likely, his future parents came out in support of Yeltsin.
      2. venik
        venik 31 December 2020 12: 31
        +9
        Quote: Aerodrome
        40 pennants were planned, by the end of the year ... in the end?

        ========
        And in the end - only 39! tongue
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 31 December 2020 09: 38
      +13
      Quote: Aerodrome
      what is the shield target?

      This is called "squeezing the volume of a full-fledged superstructure into an island a third of the hull width." smile Solid deck fee.
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 31 December 2020 11: 55
        -4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Aerodrome
        what is the shield target?

        This is called "squeezing the volume of a full-fledged superstructure into an island a third of the hull width." smile Solid deck fee.


        Will it not roll over? From a strong wind, for example?
        1. leonek16
          leonek16 1 January 2021 05: 22
          +3
          Look at porous constructions or cruise ships
          1. for
            for 1 January 2021 20: 56
            -2
            Quote: leonek16
            Look at porous constructions or cruise ships

            Compare another minibus with an infantry fighting vehicle.
  2. Crowe
    Crowe 31 December 2020 05: 22
    +17
    In other words, it is the coming year (and not 2020) that may become the year of real rearmament of the Navy with new fourth-generation submarines.

    I'd like to hope so! Happy New Year!
  3. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 31 December 2020 08: 11
    +5
    In other words, it is the coming year (and not 2020) that may become the year of real rearmament of the Navy with new fourth-generation submarines.
    Alas and ah. But 2020 was the year of rearmament with new ships - "Kasatonov", "Morgunov", "Thundering", "Aldar", "Derzhavin", "Balyaev", "Odintsovo". True, instead of 2019, since the first 3, should have passed then
  4. rudolff
    rudolff 31 December 2020 08: 13
    +7
    "The main achievements of the Russian shipbuilding ..." Well, if you do not look into the rearmament program until 20. Otherwise, these achievements somehow become sour. In some areas, the failure is complete. That, however, does not prevent to report on its complete and successful implementation and renewal of the fleet by 70 percent.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 31 December 2020 09: 14
      +11
      Initial plan:
      In particular, the document now it is planned to purchase not eight strategic nuclear submarines of the project 955 "Northwind", and ten such ships... In addition, the military intends to acquire the same number multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 885 "Ash"... All ships will be built by the Severodvinsk enterprise "Sevmash". In addition, the fleet until 2020 20 non-nuclear submarines will be delivered, including six built according to Project 636.3 "Varshavyanka".
      At the same time, the number of frigates planned for purchase was reduced from 15 to 14 units... So, under the state armaments program, the fleet will receive eight frigates of project 22350 and six of project 11356... The former will be built at Severnaya Verf, and the latter at the Yantar plant. The number of corvettes planned for purchase has not changed and remained at the level of 35 units, of which 18 are projects 20380 and 20385.

      Here is Borisov in 2014:
      The Russian Defense Ministry confirms the delivery of seven Yasen-class multipurpose nuclear submarines... Deputy Minister of Defense told reporters about it. RF Yuri Borisov at the laying ceremony for the Knyaz Oleg nuclear missile carrier at Sevmash.
      "Until 2020 of the year - 7 ("Ash"), generally 16 ", - said Borisov, who took part in the laying ceremony for the Borei-class strategic nuclear missile carrier. He added that the fleet should receive 2020 Boreyevs by 8.

      They have already counted for us by the way wink :
      Of the 10 project 955 and 955M strategic missile submarine cruisers (SSBNs), 4 have been commissioned.
      Of the 10 Project 885 multipurpose nuclear submarines, 1 has been commissioned.
      Of the 20 non-nuclear submarines, 8 636M were commissioned and not a single 677.
      Out of 14 frigates, 5 were commissioned, including 3 frigates 11356 and 2.
      Out of 35 corvettes, 7 ships were transferred, 6 of which 20380 and 1 20385.
      Of the 4 Mistral-class universal amphibious assault ships (UDC), including two built in France, and the same number at domestic shipyards, the fleet did not receive a single one.
      Out of 6 large landing ships (BDK) type 11711 "Ivan Gren" or improved - 2 were transferred.
      In total, with a plan of 99 ships, 27 were commissioned.
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 31 December 2020 10: 10
        -6
        Initial plan:


        The plan is not a dogma. In all countries, it changes in one direction or the other. That is why there are sanctions and other protective measures of other states. What are we on ourselves and experience
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 31 December 2020 12: 34
          +3
          Because the plan was sculpted by dreamers sitting tightly on coke. They thought we would give money and Rex-Pax-Fax would magically draw frigates, corvettes and other aircraft carriers - despite the fact that the subsidence of the ship industry was many times more serious than other industries. As a result, instead of driving the ships of pr. 956, 1155, 1164 through modernization from the middle of zero, reinforcing the OVR with a new version of the Albatross, rearming the TSC with new mine detection systems and restoring and developing naval aviation, they immediately started overwhelming and sometimes unreasonable projects.
          1. Alexey Lantukh
            Alexey Lantukh 2 January 2021 01: 21
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            Of course, I don't know how this is planned. But it is quite possible that contractors, in order to receive advances, assure that they will design new weapons by a certain date and inexpensively, with new electronics in which the latest microcircuits and programs are not yet available. They will design new control devices for the ship. And the factories will do it all. In fact, everything is lagging behind. Shipbuilders can make a hull with a power plant, but weapons and other equipment are not keeping pace. So it turns out that they wait for the promised three years. And then there were also imperfections. Raw appliances. And then there's also marriage. A warship is, after all, a complex device that still needs to be reliable. And our specialists are just gathering together.
          2. sleeve
            sleeve 2 January 2021 22: 53
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            "from the middle of zero" in "warships you play". Do you remember anything about "zero" besides the calendar? Well, or you know, I'm not asking about age. There was really no nichert, and you were going to upgrade at least 30 units. In 2008, another T-55 entered Georgia. So I really don't know what kind of chichi they would be going to do it ...
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 2 January 2021 23: 52
              +1
              I do not know what you are playing, maybe tic-tac-toe, this is your problem. But you are not aware of the campaign that at this time, for some reason, the fleet found money for laying and building a corvette of project 20380, a series of MAKs of project 21630, and even for laying and building as many as three SSBNs for some reason. This is offhand. Surely there will be more ...
              Even the Art Nouveau of Project 1155, proposed by extremely small adequate officers of the main headquarters of the fleet, had nothing to do with the triumph of the sawing which is called Shaposhnikov. The minium program was simple to amazement - in PU KT-100 put 2 TPK with 3M14 / 3M54 / 91R in each pipe. And not a lot to change the elevation angle of the PU, and, accordingly, the installation of a new KSU. All. Optionally, replacing the Lion with the Puma. Then, as the Package was fine-tuned, during the HTG it was quite realistic to change the 533 mm PTA to the Package-NK. But it turned out as usual.
              And when I speak from the middle of zero, it is exclusively about the fact that it was necessary to accept the modern program of pr. 1155. The minimum. It turned out as usual.
              1. sleeve
                sleeve 3 January 2021 00: 29
                +1
                H yes ... Well, how can you do without numbers? Well, let's try. 1155 entered service as a package until 89. 956 even earlier. At the time of our conversation, namely the middle of the 00s, they are at least 25-27 years old (1155) and at least 30 956. Taking into account the fact that putting up with NATO for scrap and decaying by that time at least 60% of both series were sent, you suggest not to upgrade the fleet, but to invest in the fact that in 2030 you will have to put up the pins and needles and then as champions. Well, in principle, we have shipbuilders how applications from iPhone are downloaded. Otherwise, the shipyard workers do not get their hands on modernizations without new keels. And by the way, less costs, less wages. Or do you propose to organize a gulag at the shipyards? Well, yes. If we wanted to remain without a fleet in 10 years, we had to implement your proposal. This all had to be dealt with when everyone was in the ranks in the year 97-98. They would have just completed it by 2008-10, and there it would be possible to start a new program. But no, everything must be tied to Putin's rule. Why do you love him so much then?
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 3 January 2021 00: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: sleeve
                  Well, how is it with you without numbers?

                  You are raising the question correctly. Because you don’t know the numbers, and we started as an ordinary "aquarium" fish with emotions ....
                  Quote: sleeve
                  At the time of our conversation, namely the mid-00s, these ships are at least 25-27 years old (1155) and at least 30 956th.

                  Бггг ..... In the middle of zero, I will concretize once you are not friends with numbers - this is 2005, the oldest 956 and 1155 projects turned 25 years old from the moment they entered service, but the youngest 956 turned 12 years old, the youngest 1155 Ave. turned 14 years old, and Ave 11551 turned exactly 6 years from the moment he finished the tests and raised the Andreev flag
                  Quote: sleeve
                  If we wanted to remain without a fleet in 10 years, we had to implement your proposal.

                  This is not my proposal, you seem to be unable to understand what you read. This was suggested by specialists from the General Staff of the Fleet. And it is quite obvious that we would not have been left without the fleet, especially in light of the fact that the fleet, having tried all the wrong decisions, proceeded to modernize the ships of Project 1155
                  Quote: sleeve
                  Why do you love him so much?

                  I don’t understand the couple, but why are you jumping now?
                  1. sleeve
                    sleeve 3 January 2021 07: 08
                    0
                    Your truth. The emotion was present. I apologize. So, not your opinion, but the opinion of the General Music School? Let it be so I'll try to suggest a discussion. The sailors want ships. Better new, but no new. Those who are engaged in the analysis of the defense industry make an argument about the state of the shipyards in principle. No money left. In 2007, the year before the crisis and with oil prices for a hundred bucks, the entire stock exchange was 7,8 trillion rubles. Production prices are not much more than 40% different from the current ones. The ratio of expenditures in the defense budget and the defense budget itself (2,8-3% of GDP, that is, about 1,2-1,4 trillion). As a result, a decision must be made that meets several requirements:
                    1. To ensure the development of shipbuilding in the Russian Federation in the segment of design and R&D.
                    2. To ensure the renewal of the hulls, and for this to revive the shipyard.
                    3. Ensure the restoration of the auxiliary fleet (including mine-sweeping forces) as soon as possible.
                    4. Immediate restoration of the border forces fleet due to the catastrophic situation in the ship composition.
                    2005 - 17-18 years for 1155, excluding 11551. 6 buildings without "Chabanenko" Service life no more than 30 years. Modification is "light" for every 1 year (rather longer). Most of them are in a state of conservation or without repair for many years, therefore they are complex. The cost is approximately 3 upgraded to 1 built class "corvette". That is, even the remnants of 1155 "Fregat" would have blocked the bookmarks of new ones in the size of 2 hulls mentioned by you for at least 2, but as reality weaves for 4 years. This means that 7-8-10 years of "pioneer" construction for SV (Severnaya Verf), for ASZ (we have a record holder), we would not have received by 2012 (ASZ did work on itself and already came to 4 years on hull 20380, increasing the speed and quality by strengthening the team. The same work at SV and other enterprises). But that's what it would be. And how was it seen from 2005,2007? And that's how I saw it. They will not be able, they will not be in time. Seeing a serious displacement to the right, they pushed the modernization of 1155 into execution (2 buildings are already, 2 are in the plans for autumn 2021) because they were able to save all the buildings and carry out running repairs (just some intuition, to get spare parts for gas turbines from Ukraine in 2012-13). stayed for every year.
                    Result. We checked, confirmed, were horrified and are correcting the potential of the new shipbuilding. We have kept the groundwork for the modernization of old hulls and funds for them. And the power appeared. As a result, the old men will at least somehow level this shift to the right in the sea for 15 years before the "Leaders" and the full package 20350. Ah! I forgot. Complete renovation of the auxiliary, mine-sweeping and support fleet and the reconstruction of the border forces.
                    That's what I mean. This is normal practice. To plan. Check resource potential. Maneuver. If there is a goal. Take a closer look. It would be worse now. The gap in the ships under construction would be more epic in the "nothing" and "just getting started" area. Plus here is the absence of gas turbine units from Ukraine (force?) And sanctions (machines, equipment, digital elements). And it would be rather "nothing". Plus, the aggravated situation with personnel at shipyards and design bureaus.
                    I repeat: this is what I mean. About the difference between reality and "it could be so." Or maybe you can. But then the situation was seen differently. And it's good that we took a risky path. We already have "European" construction terms. Maybe we can accelerate and expand and achieve these 100 corps.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 3 January 2021 11: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: sleeve
                      4. Immediate restoration of the border forces fleet due to the catastrophic situation in the ship composition.

                      The construction of the PSKR, in contrast to the Navy, in principle, did not stop all the 90s and zero. The only obscene decision was regarding the border pr. 1124M and pr. 11351. They certainly had to be transferred to the Navy in the late 90s - early 10s. In reality, as you know, barely serving 1135 years of PSKR pr.8 were written off for scrap. Of the 1135 ships, three remained. While on the Caspian Flotilia there were still naval pr. 70 built in the XNUMXs.

                      Quote: sleeve
                      The service life is still no more than 30 years. Modernization is "easy" for every 1 year (rather longer). Most of them are in a state of conservation or without repair for many years, therefore they are complex. The cost is approximately 3 upgraded to 1 built class "corvette".


                      You understand even to this day BOD pr.1155 - the carrier of the RK Caliber is a very valuable acquisition.
                      The minimum option is current repairs + modernization, but it is not as senseless and prohibitively expensive as on Shaposhnikov.
                      What could really be done is to replace the Bell complex with Caliber. At the same time, the main thing is that we get the replacement of 8 sockets with 16 calibers.
                      And then everything depends on the funds.
                      - you can change Leo and Pennants to Puma.
                      - to carry out the internal complex modernization of the Dagger
                      - replace AK-630 with Duets
                      - Replace 533 mm ČTA with PU Package-NK.
                      - It is possible to add deck installations for 9M96 by agreeing protocols with the Dagger and tying control to the ZR-95 control system.

                      What they did in real life is just horror - horror.

                      Quote: sleeve
                      Seeing a serious shift to the right

                      The fact that the ass came with a wash - the adequate understood quickly. And at that moment, Admiral Suchkov, having unscrewed the paws of individual monsters, was able to break through the construction of a series of ships pr.11356 and pr.636 through Ivanov. We lost a lot of time. It was necessary just to start with them.

                      Quote: sleeve
                      (just some kind of intuition, to get spare parts for the GTU from Ukraine in 2012-13).

                      There is nothing to do with the intuition here, the spare parts and accessories are supposed to be updated, especially since they started jumping in Ukraine long ago. The result was generally predictable ...........

                      Quote: sleeve
                      As a result, the old men will at least somehow level this shift to the right in the sea for 15 years before the "Leaders"

                      Leader? And what for?
                      Quote: sleeve
                      mine-sweeping and supply fleet

                      But with the construction of TSCHIM pr.10750M (fortunately, they were built in the 90s for foreign customers), corvette pr.1161 in a partially revised project and RCA on the platform of pr.10410, and it was necessary to start ..
                      Now about 1155 projects, or rather their fate. A total of 12 ships were built. 7 in service to this day.
                      Kharlamov - decommissioned for many years. It was evidently plundered completely.
                      Zakharov - burned out badly. in that situation it has no options.
                      Brave, Spiridonov, Vasilevsky ditched stupid ki in joy from the surging "freedom".

                      That is, in the first phase, we conditionally modernize all Project 1155 for Caliber, except perhaps Zakharov, and organize the construction of light forces. RKR pr. 1164 is also saved. As well as Peter the Great and Kuznetsov. In addition, it is desirable and very much to redeem Project 1164 from Ukraine so far it made sense.
                      The issue with destroyers is not so simple - but keeping some of the ships is quite possible.
                      Further, in a period similar to real + - we build a series of pr. 11356 and 636.
                      Well, and the critical moment - the construction of Novik pr. 1244 could not be stopped. At least it should have been completed as a test vessel for Polyment-Redut, The fact that our uh, eh ...., decided to skip the stage of fine-tuning the complex on the experimental ship afloat, resulted in five years of fine-tuning the PR on Gorshkov.
                      In terms of naval aviation, it seems necessary to implement Sukhoi's proposal regarding the creation of a Su-32FN (Fighter Naval) naval aircraft capable of responding to both reconnaissance missions and strike over the sea. And even anti-submarine. But alas, the fleet even put a bolt on its own aircraft.
                      1. sleeve
                        sleeve 3 January 2021 11: 58
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                        It's like that. In details 100% hit. But time is lost. Metal is getting old. Now modernization is not a panacea, but an attempt to preserve the ship's composition and crews. The second is not unimportant given the technical literacy in the current realities. So the execution (which is really awful) according to the principle of "stretch your legs on clothes." Moreover, such torments are no less than five or six years. Time of entry into operation at least 1x 4 (I hope that M). Then you can already start writing off the "oldies". As I understand it, 20350 2 and 956 -4 6 are deployed (suppose 1155).
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 3 January 2021 13: 00
                        +1
                        If you think about it.
                        Then, in the first phase of the restoration of the fleet in the period 2004-2010 ..., in terms of new shipbuilding, I would personally build a series of ships of project 11356 using the fact that quite recently Yantar completed the construction of an Indian order.
                        Further - the series TSCHIM project 10750, at least based on the calculation for the beginning of 4 ships per fleet. Likewise, the RSA series for the spent border project 10410 - with the installation of a pair of 4 container launchers Uranium Restore and stir up production, restore supply chains, etc.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 31 December 2020 14: 02
      +4
      The number of corvettes .... 35 units, of which 18 are projects 20380 and 20385

      Here it is interesting. 18 project 2038X corvettes and what else are 17 unnamed corvettes in the plans? 22160? but they never seem to have been planned in such numbers. MRK what was considered a corvettes?
    3. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 31 December 2020 14: 38
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      Quote: donavi49
      In total, with a plan of 99 ships, 27 were commissioned.

      well, initially it was clear that they wouldn’t do that much 27 this is good
    4. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 2 January 2021 17: 18
      +1
      Quote: donavi49
      .... They have already counted for us by the way ...
      .
      Quote: donavi49
      In total, with a plan of 99 ships, 27 were commissioned.
      - it is possible that this is due to that USC allows itself adventurism, in the spirit of "fast" (in a short period of time) bookmarks 12-18 "Karakurt", despite the fact that they can not help but realize that the speed of creating a power plant for them, "cannot physically exceed by two car kit per year " ?!.
      Is another approach possible ? !! it seems to me that in principle - YES .. !!.
      Let's say it's a creation primarily, - four industrial design "points"manufacture of power plants, to solve problems, shipbuilding programs ... (!!) recourse yes
      Let's say "by different weight categories" (by VI, if simpler), to each of the most demanded class of ND ... from the tasks they perform? !!!.
      One group takes over the power plant for modern corvettes. Perhaps this is the acceleration of work on a promising 12SD-500 (in 8000 HP) and a gearbox for them (i.e. such a power plant of four identical engines, since the work of the same type of motors is easier to balance with a gearbox. It should theoretically be simpler than for engines of different types - GTE / Diesel ... means.). AND explore speed - real possibilities for their creation, for corvettes with VI not exceeding about 2500 tons. ... In my personal view, this is something closest to the corvette project 11664, for PLO , from 24-32 cell., SAM "Shtil-1" (so as not to overcharge the design) and 12-16 cell., UKSK for PLUR and RCC? !!, and the same SJC as 20380 (!).
      The second is working on roughly the same thing; but already, with the engine 16SD-500 (10000 hp), to create a power plant for escort (small) to PLO frigates, but already in the "weight category" 3300-4200 tons, let's say on the basis of projects 11441 "Thunder" or 11356 R / M "Petrel" .... Something like "Oliver-Peri", if you like ... Again 40000 hp. of "fours of the same type of diesel engines" ... for the same reasons - do not complicate (!), to make it possible to simplify the gearbox, and hence the speed of its industrial production ... ? !!
      The third group is working on an analogue already gas turbine quad, similar to the power plant "Smetlivoy", while it was only removed from the fleet, but didn't take away.... Same type GEM with 72000 hp (!), for sure, a ship of the EM class in VI of the order of 7500 tons, will be able to carry on itself at a speed of 30-33 knots, if not higher !!! Here, (for comparison, Chinese type 052D has a diesel-gas turbine power plant, similar in power to our 22350, but allows ships in VI 7500 tons, run at 30 knots (!)...). The 61st themselves, when tested contrived and 39 nodes issue, at its GEM !!!.
      Well, the fourth "industrial design experimental" group, is engaged in the creation / development of a more complex power plant for BOD / EM in VI 9000-11000 t. afterburner) ... Possible analogs of projects 70, "while mythical 22350M", and Chinese type 055 ... As the main ship of formation - "zonal air defense KPUG"... ?!.
      Only, when studying the results winked (and only after them - i.e., not BEFORE, but only after it becomes clear actual speed / real opportunity supplies for the fleet, power plant of each of these groups / directionsCan be in accordance with their actual capabilities, - go to planned / possible speeds / prospects for the laying and construction of combat NK ... (!!!) ...
      Well, it seems to me .... hi And the Chinese shipbuilding programs seem to suggest something similar ... (!!).
    5. MVK54
      MVK54 2 January 2021 17: 55
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      And of course nothing to do with the sanctions !!!!!
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 31 December 2020 08: 40
    +6
    Is the ship depicted with azipods on the Ivan Rogov's mortgage plate in the photo to the article? Have we learned how to make azipods? How long has it been?
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 31 December 2020 23: 43
      +2
      Can you distinguish azipods from other types of rudder propellers? Taking off my hat!
      hi
  • faiver
    faiver 31 December 2020 09: 40
    +2
    All is well beautiful marquise, all is well as never before ...
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  • Undecim
    Undecim 31 December 2020 09: 54
    +9
    The author published a series of articles in the spirit of the late "dear Ilyich". True, he made an unforgivable mistake, did not mention a single paragraph about the personal contribution of the Chief Leader to the cause of building peace in the world in general and the building of the Armed Forces in particular. Maybe the author is preparing a separate article about this?
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 2 January 2021 22: 57
      +1
      Well you just mentioned. So the author doesn't need to. Today there is no point in even mentioning it. You have to post something with the word "achievement" and wait a bit. And I assure you that his participation and responsibility will be immediately mentioned ...
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 31 December 2020 11: 11
    +6
    The usefulness of the construction of the "Surf", frankly, is doubtful. Since it will be built, at best, by the year 27 (this is the first ship), if the dates are not shifted, as usual, deep to the right. And before that, the airborne transport component will degrade.
    Instead, it would be possible to quickly build a dozen or two (for the same money) large civilian ferries and dual-use rollers (there are already many working projects embodied in metal), and not kill heavy military udk and bdk on shuttle routes in the same Syria, for example.
    The methodical nature of the surrender makes Boreyev happy, but without cover they are excellent targets for NATO anti-submarine men.
    It is necessary to actively finish already torpedoes, Ash and small anti-submarine ships, an inexpensive and practical replacement option.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 31 December 2020 14: 45
      +3
      Quote: Anchorite
      Instead, it would be possible to quickly build a dozen or two (for the same money) large civilian ferries and dual-use rollers (there are already many working projects embodied in metal),

      true, but the amphibious component has long become redundant (like Kuzya), there are no planes, there are few submarines, minesweepers are less than modern fingers of one hand ... without coastal aviation and nuclear submarines they will not leave the bases, and BE200 was postponed until the engine was released ... so that the fleet simply has zero combat effectiveness and why would it need landing ships then?
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 31 December 2020 14: 34
    +2
    udk is a mistake, but the submarine and the frigate are good
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 31 December 2020 14: 49
    +1
    "Perhaps in 2021 the Pacific Fleet will receive two new submarines of Project 995."
    Correct the author, otherwise you already have a project of some 6th generation being prepared laughing
  • Tests
    Tests 31 December 2020 16: 11
    +2
    "In general, everything is learned in comparison: just look at the pace of construction and testing of the fourth generation multipurpose submarines of the project 885." And donate a pistol with a single cartridge under the Christmas tree to everyone responsible for shipbuilding in the Russian Federation ... Take the disliked Wikipedia by many, open an article about SEVMASH (though it does not say about our smallest diesel-electric submarines "Malyutki" ). And we will see that in 1964 and 1965, 5 boats of Project 675 each (with cruise missiles, the launch, however, surfaced) was handed over ... "As for nuclear submarines, the main event of 2020 can be called the transfer of the nuclear strategic submarine K-549 "Prince Vladimir." In 1970, 6 boats of project 667A (ballistic missiles, launch-submarine) were handed over to SEVMASH ... "On July 15, at Severnaya Verf, a solemn ceremony of signing the acceptance certificate of the first serial frigate of project 22350 "Admiral of the fleet Kasatonov". In 1951 SEVMASH handed over to the fleet 8 (Eight!) Destroyers of the project 30-bis. In 1944 SEVMASH handed over 122 (Six!) Units to the fleet of large hunters pr. 6A, we remember that in 1944 our troops reached the borders of the USSR, in 1945 - 6 (Six) more BOs ... About Varshavyanka for the Pacific Fleet The author kept silent about "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky". In 1957, SEVMASH had a record - 10 (ten!) Pcs. Diesel-electric submarines pr. 611.
    1. doktor_alex
      doktor_alex 31 December 2020 17: 30
      0
      And then after these slogans, open at least photos of what was inside in 1964, and what was in 2020 and all this in conditions when in the 90s everything and everything was broken and about everything, or do you think specialists are able to build and test such ships on trees grow like bananas? I tore off a bundle and went to develop high-tech equipment, manufacture, assemble and adjust. Give yourself a gun.
    2. don carleone
      don carleone 1 January 2021 13: 22
      +1
      It's not about the capabilities of the military-industrial complex, but about the country's budget and the Ministry of Defense in particular. They do what they consider more important, and with what they can wait, then shift to the right.
    3. MVK54
      MVK54 2 January 2021 18: 01
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      So that? Do you need Comrade Stalin? Such a conclusion suggests itself !!!
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 2 January 2021 23: 00
        0
        Why Stalin? It got boring?
  • Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 31 December 2020 17: 32
    +7
    Of course, we have a lot of admirals, why do they forget the hero of Chesma, Count Alexei Orlov, Admiral Spiridov?
    And Yes! Holiday greetings!!! drinks
  • Pamir
    Pamir 31 December 2020 20: 17
    +1
    Guys, let's not today and tomorrow, Gentlemen, or comrades, the Far East, and Central Siberia, guys, Happy New Year, I congratulate everyone, health and long years of life! "Sorry if I upset anyone! Let's drink to the Navy !!! site, everyone has their own opinion, but the IMPORTANT thing is that the problem does not go unnoticed !!! All the best to everyone who supports the Fleet!
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 31 December 2020 21: 39
    +6
    In other words, it is the coming year (and not 2020) that may become the year of real rearmament of the Navy with new fourth-generation submarines.


    Kazan has been tried for several years already. Not working yet. In general, taking into account the irresponsible construction time of 885, the question should be posed differently: is it possible to maintain the regular number of boats or the rate of decommissioning of old boats exceeds the rate of commissioning of new ones. It would be interesting to compare the data from 2000 and build a chart based on it. Most likely, the result will be a downward curve. But in what year this trend will find the bottom and the rebound will begin - that's the question. Obviously, in this matter, much will depend not so much on the construction of the long-suffering Ash, but on the pace of modernization of pikes.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 1 January 2021 10: 35
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    Quote: rudolff
    Can you distinguish azipods from other types of rudder propellers? Taking off my hat!


    Happy New Year dear friend drinks , well, don't scoff, I just asked a question smile
    Of course, the image on the mortgage plate and the drawing are different things, but they wrote a lot about the fact that our UDC uses Mistral technologies. there are azipods on the Mistral, here in the image there is something that looks like an azipod that's why he asked.
  • nikant
    nikant 1 January 2021 12: 45
    +3
    oil painting ... missile carriers are negligible, universal-multi-purpose boats - the cat cried ... naval aviation: what is it? there is no full protection of the coastal zone and is not foreseen ... there is no infrastructure for full-fledged defense of bases, for deployment, protection and escort of missile carriers ... there are no connections for oceanic deployment ... there is no auxiliary fleet ... engine building is in the embryonic stage .. . What kind of breakthrough development does not drag out from the depths of the Union? when will there be normal torpedoes and anti-torpedo systems? what is the end of anti-missile firing on water? which of the fleets is at least 50-60 percent combat-ready? since everything revolves around the nuclear shield, would not it be more efficient to massively deploy railway complexes, for example? Or is it easier to cut the meager naval capital? Isn't it easier to really take the powerful and the oligarchs by the gills and gut them in order to return all the loot? no !!! the king will not give offense to his friends !!! so all these comments are bullshit and steam release into the boatswain's tune: the people at the level of cattle are not able to stand up for themselves and for the future of their children ...
    1. lion1980
      lion1980 1 January 2021 18: 24
      0
      If we, or rather our Armed Forces, were in the state you described, Russia would have been devoured long ago and would not have choked. Since this is far from the case, then your alarmism is excessive and does not reflect the current state of affairs.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 2 January 2021 10: 01
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      Quote: nikant
      since everything revolves around the nuclear shield, would not it be more efficient to massively deploy railway complexes, for example?


      NSNF, in my opinion, and in the current and future state of the Navy, in principle, are not effective. It was necessary to leave the division for prestige from 4-5 SSBNs, and use the remaining funds to strengthen the Strategic Missile Forces, including the development of a light ICBM of the Courier type
    3. MVK54
      MVK54 2 January 2021 18: 07
      0
      Dear comrade, where are you with these questions? When they sawed and sold the ships and submarines of our Navy !!!!!!
    4. sleeve
      sleeve 2 January 2021 23: 09
      0
      Hmm ... Are you proposing to stand for the children again? And the reason? Fantasies and your sense of the unrighteousness of what is happening? You and your friends have strengthened the defenses and the future anyway ... Or did the tsar not give it personally? Let's talk about the fleet. In particulars and details. Enough about your idol already ...
  • DominickS
    DominickS 2 January 2021 08: 35
    +1
    Shipbuilding in Russia traditionally has a difficult time: especially in light of the introduction of sanctions by the West and the already familiar coronavirus pandemic.

    To a bad dancer, something always gets in the way.
  • Evgeny Kirov
    Evgeny Kirov 19 February 2021 10: 20
    -2
    There are no achievements in the construction of the fleet. Well, good. We will less rattle and attack our neighbors.
  • Andrey1903
    Andrey1903 25 February 2021 05: 08
    0
    I'm pretty sure half of them were accepted because they needed to, not when they were ready.