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Foreign expert: With the creation of the PD-14 engine, Russia showed that it was early written off in the civil aircraft industry

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Foreign expert: With the creation of the PD-14 engine, Russia showed that it was early written off in the civil aircraft industry

The foreign press comments on the creation in Russia of its own medium-range narrow-body passenger aircraft MS-21. The main reason for analyzing the situation in the Russian civil aircraft industry for foreign experts was the first flight of the MS-21 with a Russian engine. As Voennoye Obozreniye has already reported, the airliner flew in mid-December with a PD-14 turbofan engine.


In this regard, the western aviation expert Anthony Angrend writes that he has questions for those who believed that with a vast experience in civil aircraft construction and a developed engineering and design school, Russia would not be able to enter the passenger aviation market.

The expert notes that a de facto intercorporate monopoly of the American Boeing and the European Airbus has developed in the world.

If these companies believed that they would not have new competitors, did not take into account the development of the aviation industry in Russia and China, then they were wrong.

The Russian aviation industry, by developing its own engine, virtually nullifies the effectiveness of possible new anti-Russian sanctions in this area. The sanctions could have worked if Russia continued to consider the only American-made Pratt & Whitney PW21G power plant for the MS-1000. But when the PD-14 from the Perm Motors company appeared, a completely new era began for the Russian aircraft industry.

With the creation of the PD-14, Russia showed that it was written off early.

Permskiye Motory itself notes that many years of experience in large-scale production of D-30, PS-90A engines and their modernization have made it possible to create an aircraft engine of the 5th generation. This engine became the PD-14 for the MS-21 airliner.

The foreign expert community notes that Russia "was early written off from the accounts of the civil aircraft industry." As an example, not only the MS-21, but also the Il-114V, which were created in Russia, are cited, primarily for updating its own aircraft fleet.
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  1. Eldorado
    Eldorado 28 December 2020 14: 27
    +15
    Foreign expert: With the creation of the PD-14 engine, Russia showed that it was early written off in the civil aircraft industry

    Figs will write us off! Just try it, bastard!
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 28 December 2020 14: 37
      +33
      If only they introduced responsibility, preferably criminal, for creating obstacles in the development of domestic industry and lobbying the interests of foreign manufacturers by Russian citizens. And the removal of persons with dual citizenship and assets abroad from public authorities!
      The law banning dual citizenship is already six months old! Whoever will tell you how many officials, deputies, etc. fired during this period! One nonsense. We have included in the draft of the amended constitution a mandatory norm on treatment at the expense of the state for children and youth (up to 35 years old)!
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 28 December 2020 14: 51
        +3
        Quote: Invoce
        lobbying the interests of foreign manufacturers

        and who writes this? ....... INVOICE !!!!!!!!! )))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        1. Invoce
          Invoce 28 December 2020 15: 49
          -6
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: Invoce
          lobbying the interests of foreign manufacturers

          and who writes this? ....... INVOICE !!!!!!!!! )))))))))))))))))))))))))))

          Lawrence, this is me writing! I am impressed by the personality of Beria, but I do not like the characters who are disdainful of anyone else!
          laughing Judging by your rating, you are constantly kicked in the face, in the hole, issuing obscene phrases ...
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 28 December 2020 16: 46
            +3
            Quote: Invoce
            Lawrence, this is me writing! I am impressed by the personality of Beria, but I do not like the characters who are disdainful of anyone else!


            Invoice - in international commercial practice, a document provided by the seller to the buyer and containing a list of goods and services, their quantity and the price at which they were delivered to the buyer, formal characteristics of the goods (color, weight, etc.), delivery terms and information about the sender, and recipient.
            those. INVOICE is a document for foreign goods!
            ))))))))))))))
            INVOICE drowns for import substitution !!!!! JUST OXYMORON !!!!! ))))))))))))))))
            I thought it was funny)))))))))))
            ps
            Quote: Invoce
            Based on your rating

            the worst are always the majority
            Biant Priensky
            PPP
            by the way, Jesus would have been instructed too ... but 2020 years ago he was simply crucified for his "comments" ........
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 28 December 2020 17: 33
              0
              crucified 1887 years ago .............................................. .................................................. .....................................
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 28 December 2020 22: 27
                +4
                Quote: antivirus
                crucified 1887 years ago .............................................. .................................................. .....................................

                At the age of 133? Interesting... what What else is new?
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 28 December 2020 22: 28
                  +1
                  of course 1987 ................................................ .................................................. ........................
              2. NEOZ
                NEOZ 29 December 2020 13: 55
                0
                Quote: antivirus
                crucified 1887 years

                2020-33 ..... agree!
            2. Rzzz
              Rzzz 28 December 2020 20: 11
              +3
              Quote: NEOZ
              INVOICE is a document for foreign goods!

              An invoice is a document containing a product, its price and terms of sale, seller and buyer, terms and payment details.
              In fact, a combination of our "invoice", "waybill", "invoice" or "FRT". In one piece of paper.
              And not necessarily for imported goods. It's just that the Russian document circulation requires a lot more unnecessary waste paper.
            3. Cheerock
              Cheerock 29 December 2020 22: 54
              0
              INVOICE drowns for import substitution !!!!! JUST OXYMORON !!!!! ))))))))))))))))

              Hrenomiron. The invoice is written as Invoice. And my friend's call sign is INVOK.
            4. Invoce
              Invoce 30 December 2020 12: 18
              0
              Invoce - Jesus[u] ... belay
              Quote: NEOZ
              [quote =Invoce] Lavrenty, this is me writing! I am impressed by the personality of Beria, but I do not like the characters who are disdainful of anyone else!


              invoice - in international commercial practice, a document provided by the seller to the buyer and containing a list of goods and services, their quantity and the price at which they are delivered to the buyer, the formal characteristics of the goods (color, weight, etc.), delivery terms and information about the sender and recipient ...
              those. INVOICE is a document for foreign goods!
              ))))))))))))))
              INVOICE drowns for import substitution !!!!! JUST OXYMORON !!!!! ))))))))))))))))
              I thought it was funny)))))))))))
              ps
              Quote: Invoce
              Based on your rating

              the worst are always the majority
              Biant Priensky
              PPP
              by the way Jesus would also have set minuses .... but 2020 years ago he was simply crucified for his "comments" ........ [/ quote]

              Invoice (eng. invoice) [u] you need to be more careful, and not compare yourself with Jesus


      2. Svarog
        Svarog 28 December 2020 14: 54
        -17%
        Quote: Invoce
        The law banning dual citizenship is already six months old

        If I am not mistaken, it was rejected in the State Duma .. Against themselves, they will not adopt laws. It's good, of course, that they managed to bring the engine to mind. But this is over 30 years, while having a huge backlog of engineers and a scientific base inherited from the Soviet period.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 28 December 2020 15: 31
          +12
          you are wrong. The Federation Council has already approved, but the State Duma has not yet considered, but will consider it in the near future. Accepts the majority and not all of them have dual citizenship. Therefore, the thought will also approve / accept.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 28 December 2020 15: 56
            +3
            Quote: Svetlana
            The Federation Council has already approved, but the State Duma has not yet considered, but will consider

            And in my opinion first the thought, and then the Federation Council. The Federation Council actually considers laws adopted by the Duma, approves or disapproves of them. We must observe the hierarchy.
            1. KCA
              KCA 28 December 2020 16: 29
              +3
              This is if the Duma develops and submits a law to a vote, and then the president proposed the law
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 28 December 2020 16: 56
                +3
                Regardless of who contributed, the law is first adopted by the Duma, then approved by the Federation Council, and then signed by the President. Moreover, the opinion of the State Duma is more important than the opinion of the Federation Council. On a number of issues, the lack of response from the Federation Council for some time is equated with the approval of a law adopted by the State Duma. Well, the president can veto ordinary laws (not constitutional ones, which are initially adopted by a majority of at least two-thirds of the number of chambers), which can be overcome by two-thirds of the members of the State Duma and the Federation Council.
            2. Svetlana
              Svetlana 28 December 2020 16: 50
              0
              It is not necessary for yours, it is necessary as it should be. And as it should be, spelled out in the Constitution
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 28 December 2020 17: 23
                0
                Quote: Svetlana
                It is not necessary for yours, it is necessary as it should be. And as it should be, spelled out in the Constitution

                According to Article 194. https://vuzlit.ru/1430010/gosudarstvennaya_duma_sovet_federatsii_rossii
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 28 December 2020 16: 57
            +1
            The Federation Council, not the Federation Council. We have one federation - the Russian Federation.
      3. Vlad is short
        Vlad is short 28 December 2020 17: 30
        +4
        Western lobbyism in Russia on the part of officials is treason, punishing mercilessly.
      4. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 30 December 2020 00: 18
        0
        ... If they also introduced responsibility, preferably criminal, for


        It is not necessary to start with this. From universities. Three times increase
        funding them, update the base, etc. I assure you that young people with burning eyes will move mountains.
        This applies to all education, starting with kindergarten.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 28 December 2020 14: 49
      +13
      Quote: El Dorado
      Foreign expert: With the creation of the PD-14 engine, Russia showed that it was early written off in the civil aircraft industry

      Figs will write us off! Just try it, bastard!

      Our Bolshoi Theater was opened in the same year as America. And these people, a nation of emigrants, bandits and thieves, will teach me to pick my nose ???
    3. credo
      credo 28 December 2020 14: 56
      +7
      Quote: El Dorado
      Foreign expert: With the creation of the PD-14 engine, Russia showed that it was early written off in the civil aircraft industry

      Figs will write us off! Just try it, bastard!

      Now the "civilized world" will begin, with even greater double and triple strength, to put obstacles to the certification of new Russian engines and the right to fly them outside Russia and the CIS countries.
      So with all the domestic optimism, and mine, including, we must face the truth - Russia will face a very difficult and exhausting struggle for the right to carry out international flights on domestic engines.
      The Anglo-Saxons do not want to lose a cent of their profits and will, by all means and by crook, pour mud on any highly intellectual and highly profitable product made by someone other than them and bringing income to them.
      Therefore, now there is an urgent need for Russia to create a new union of states that would be loyal to it and its high-tech products, regardless of any Anglo-Saxon sanctions.
    4. Rzzz
      Rzzz 28 December 2020 20: 33
      +3
      For now, I would be careful not to make loud statements. Not a single engine, not a single aircraft has been sold yet. Not a single engine has yet confirmed its reputation as a reliable and long-life one (and this will be clear only when the first engines have expired). There is still no practice of repairs, the supply of spare parts (which is what the superjet does). The commercial realities of the operation of this engine and this aircraft are not clear, what will be obtained there.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 28 December 2020 14: 30
    +9
    This dvigun is the cutting edge of technical progress!
    There is only an unexplored universe ahead of him!
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 28 December 2020 14: 30
    +8
    Let's take a look. The boom hopes that things have gone well.
    And we will put on sanctions ... a new engine, for example.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 28 December 2020 14: 35
      +15
      And not only a new engine, but also a GTD-110M turbine in the drawbar.
  4. armannu
    armannu 28 December 2020 14: 31
    +3
    in the world there is a de facto intercorporate monopoly of the American Boeing and the European Airbus
    Embraer was forgotten.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 28 December 2020 14: 32
      +10
      Quote: armannu
      Embraer was forgotten.

      Embarer is now Watermelon, and Bombardier is Bobik!
      Divided the remainder ...
      1. armannu
        armannu 28 December 2020 14: 37
        +1
        Something I missed ...
        Boeing wanted to buy it ...
        But the deal fell through!
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 December 2020 15: 39
        +2
        Embarer is now Watermelon, and Bombardier is Bobik!
        Divided the remainder ...

        And not vice versa?
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 28 December 2020 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: armannu
      Embraer was forgotten.

      and whose engines are there?
      P&W?
    3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 December 2020 15: 38
      0
      Boeing bought it, in fact, only he and Airbus remained!
  5. Falx
    Falx 28 December 2020 14: 32
    +6
    It is necessary to stake out a place on the world market, Iran, for example ... however, with the same Iran in the time of Dmitry Anatolyevich, they spoiled a lot of things, but one should not despair! generally good news
  6. venik
    venik 28 December 2020 14: 38
    +6
    ".....By creating the PD-14 engine, Russia showed that it was early written off in the civil aircraft industry ... The Russian aviation industry, by developing its own engine, actually nullifies the effectiveness of possible new anti-Russian sanctions in this area.... "
    =========
    Oh, still, and the creation of a composite wing "to bring to mind", so that completely without Western technologies to do ...!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 December 2020 15: 30
      +13
      Quote: venik
      Oh, still, and the creation of a composite wing "to bring to mind", so that completely without Western technologies to do ...!

      So it seems that our chemists, "nano-skeptics" made materials and resins for the black wing. It is on the Su-57 and on the MS-21 too ... Or am I confusing something?
      1. venik
        venik 28 December 2020 17: 52
        +1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        So it seems that our chemists, "nano-skeptics" made materials and resins for the black wing. It is on the Su-57 and on the MS-21 too ... Or am I confusing something?

        ========
        Well if so! And then information slipped through that big details (for MS-21) are not very good - there are a lot of defects ... And even that on serial liners, the wing will be of the "usual" design - from alloys! God grant that it was not this way!
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 December 2020 18: 14
          +4
          Quote: venik
          on production liners the wing will be of a "normal" design - from alloys!

          This is our svidomye being sophisticated in order to spoil at least somehow quilted jackets.
          And in fact:
          a school for the development of power aircraft structures from composites was established in Russia. Within its framework, perfect digital models of parts and assemblies for various purposes have been formed, new structural and power schemes of the wing and empennage have been developed, and methods for designing aircraft from composite materials are being worked out. During static tests of the MC-21-300 aircraft and its units, it was possible to verify the methods of strength calculations. Russian scientists and designers have learned to optimize the parameters of composite assemblies and assemblies depending on the specific properties of the material used.

          In parallel, fundamentally new technologies for the production of power structures from composites and a production base for their serial production has been created. Having carried out tests at TsAGI of domestic units of the MC-21 aircraft (including the most complex of them - the wing box), we made sure that the necessary strength of the load-bearing structures and the required weight efficiency are provided.

          The number of manufacturers of raw materials for composite structures is growing both in the world and in Russia, and they themselves are constantly being improved. Leading Russian research institutes (in particular, TsAGI) have accumulated extensive experience working with composite materials of different properties, both domestic and foreign.

          The competencies created in Russia in recent years make it possible to create the wing and other units of the MC-21 aircraft from domestic composite materials in the required time frame, as well as minimize the certification delay associated with the change of suppliers of individual components.

          The obtained experimental data, development and testing experience, adapted to new conditions, will be maximally used not only for the MC-21-300 aircraft, but also for the entire family of mainline airliners of different dimensions.

          The years that have passed since the decision to use a composite wing and empennage in the MS-21 design, the experience of implementing this decision, confirmed the correctness of the choice. So today the issue of a metal wing for the MC-21 aircraft is not being considered.
          http://agnc.ru/news/11616
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 December 2020 14: 42
    +12
    The engine is actually not very bad. Quite on the level. Well done Permians.
    It is necessary that OUR planes fly in our huge country. And without restrictions ... No one remembers how some company was banned from flying to Crimea, under the threat of breaking the leasing agreements for aircraft ... In 14, it seems. Just "low-cost" ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 22: 54
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      No one remembers how some company was banned from flying to Crimea,

      Dobrolet.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 28 December 2020 23: 08
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Dobrolet.

        Right !!!
    2. Timx
      Timx 29 December 2020 02: 44
      +3
      The engine is actually not very bad. Quite on the level. Well done Permians.

      The Permians are great, of course. I can only sincerely congratulate them on these successes. Although we tried to compete with them at the competition of the Ministry of Industry and Trade in the late 2000s with the cooperation of the enterprises `` UEC-Salyut '' (Moscow) and Zaporozhye `` PJSC Motor-Sich '' and `` ZMKB Progress '' with the project a three-shaft `` gear '' engine based on the groundwork for the D-27 engine from the An-70 ... But even then, having worn out with our south-western neighbors on the same An-70 and An-124 programs, it became obvious that it was impossible to fully work with such '' `` partners '' on any projects at least somewhat important for the country, which later fully manifested itself after the events of 2014 ... Although the project of that engine was very bold even from the standpoint of today (there is still nothing like only Rolls-Royce threatens to roll out the first prototype in the coming year, but they have it much larger and will go (if it does) to long-haul wide-body vehicles). It seems that from that PD-14 project, only the annular combustion chamber was inherited, of course, significantly revised ...
      1. Timx
        Timx 29 December 2020 03: 05
        +4
        And of course, the production competencies of the UEC-Salyut enterprise were used (first of all, in the production of gearboxes - after all, Salyut still has the best gear grinding in the industry (they managed to `` buy '' at one time from the Americans under program of high-power gear motors, back in the days when even our most far-sighted patriots could not imagine sanctions against us ...)))
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 December 2020 14: 44
    +6
    The engine is needed. The country is big ..... a spoke in the wheels on the use of technology for military purposes is inserted throughout the technology ..... even civil.
  9. Svetlana
    Svetlana 28 December 2020 14: 48
    +1
    Figs will write us off! Just try it, bastard!
    ***
    when / if Russia begins to build a sufficient number of civilian, DEMANDED Letak, then yes, we can say that the West was trying in vain. In the meantime, it's too early to rejoice. Bo Rossaviation flies mainly on Boeing and airbus. Alas.
    ...
    And this is just as true as any Neptune developed by Ukraine does not make the difference in their army.
  10. iouris
    iouris 28 December 2020 14: 50
    -5
    Some crows, and there at least dawn does not come. And chickens are counted in the fall.
    Leaving the market is easy; returning is very difficult, if not impossible. Moreover, when such a crisis has come in air transportation.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 December 2020 14: 59
      +8
      Quote: iouris
      Leaving the market is easy; returning is very difficult, if not impossible.

      It is easy to leave the market, it is very difficult to return if not impossible possible at all.
      Quote: iouris
      Moreover, when such a crisis has come in air transportation.

      In Russia, not a crisis, but the lack of its own aircraft for civil aviation. And the MC-21 is one of the outlets that will allow you not to bow to the belt for different people. So it was in the USSR, and therefore no one could grab the country by the gills or bring it to its knees.
      1. iouris
        iouris 28 December 2020 23: 06
        0
        You corrected me as an Englishman. This is a failure.
        The story with SSJ has taught you nothing. Romantic, you are ours. However, I even envy you. "I myself was like that ... three hundred years ago."
        1. Timx
          Timx 29 December 2020 01: 50
          +4
          Yes exactly. This suggests direct analogies with the SSJ-100 program, which is nee RRJ-95 ... Below I have given some of my conclusions, which, in my opinion, have already become obvious not only to workers in the aircraft building industry and all sorts of different '' experts '', but already to ordinary people who are able to think a little logically and distinguish real affairs from the stupid propaganda pouring on us now from all cracks.
  11. Alien From
    Alien From 28 December 2020 14: 51
    +5
    Five points to our designers and manufacturers! Spit on strangers!
  12. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 December 2020 14: 55
    +7
    The Russian aviation industry, by developing its own engine, virtually nullifies the effectiveness of possible new anti-Russian sanctions in this area.

    These small and big victories give hope that not all is lost.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 28 December 2020 15: 13
      +5
      It’s not lost if we really take our minds and do not repeat the mistakes of the 90s. And so there are more and more examples of development. Like this example.
      Rusatom - Additive Technologies has opened its first Additive Technologies Center (ADC) at the site of the Moscow Polymetal Plant. This is the first industrial 3D production in Russia based on domestic technologies and equipment.
      The main tasks of the Center are to develop technologies for manufacturing products and demonstrate the possibilities of using additive technologies to solve problems of industrial enterprises.

      TsAT is equipped with Rusmelt 3M, Rusmelt 300M and Rusmelt 600 RM 600D printers of Rosatom's own production for printing with metal powders using SLM technology. They run on Russian software and have parameters and characteristics that meet international standards.

      https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/138418/
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 28 December 2020 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Not lost if we really get down to business

        Dear Alexander! From the fact that we take up the mind, little will change. It is necessary that the state people take their minds. So that they do not squander people's money for indecent ...
        And the heading: "Made by us" - I look through regularly. I just want it to work on an expanded scale, so that the growth of the Russian economy is not indicated by one or a few tenths of a percent ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 December 2020 15: 35
      +5
      Quote: ROSS 42
      These small and big victories give hope that not all is lost.

      Yuri Vasilyevich, but what about the "bloody Putin regime", "damned gebnya" - Damn, it's not like feng shui for our leavened liberoids! laughing
  13. jeka424
    jeka424 28 December 2020 15: 03
    -2
    When will the finished serial aircraft be produced, then we can say that they have not been written off, and what power will be 2 aircraft per year?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 December 2020 15: 48
      +5
      Quote: jeka424
      When will the finished serial aircraft be produced, then we can say that they have not been written off, and what power will be 2 aircraft per year?
      Why 2 units per year? Everything is much worse for you, bruised on your head!
      Control points for 2020-2021 ...
      - Validation of the type certificate in EASA - 2021
      - Release of the first six serial machines and the beginning of commercial operation - end of 2021
      - Release of 12 airliners - 2022 Release of 25 airliners - 2023 Release of 72 MC-21 per year - by 2025
      1. jeka424
        jeka424 28 December 2020 19: 35
        -1
        when they do then you can speak, and not look at the numbers drawn, bruised
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 28 December 2020 21: 14
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        - Release of 12 airliners - 2022 Release of 25 airliners - 2023 Release of 72 MC-21 per year - by 2025

        Do you really believe in this or do you hope that this is possible? 6 planes every month?
        The times are difficult. Perhaps by 2025 no one will remember 71 ms-21.
      3. Timx
        Timx 29 December 2020 00: 33
        +4
        - Release of the first six serial machines and the beginning of commercial operation - end of 2021
        - Release of 12 airliners - 2022 Release of 25 airliners - 2023 Release of 72 MC-21 per year - by 2025

        Well, well))) How many Superjets did the heads of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft promise there? Let me remind you that 800 pieces by 2027))), they gave a tooth and swore by their mother that they would do it (every time it was necessary to ask for money from the government, deputies and even the president himself) and all the checkpoints were detailed (with the release of 65-70 planes per year by 2014-15) ... So what? And How? Are these plans being fulfilled? Will they have time to make 6 boards in the remaining incomplete 580 years? A? Oh yes, to build such a number of aircraft, it was necessary to build a new plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and not be crowded in two spans of the old building, where the Su-17 was riveted once. And what, maybe now the UAC has taken these mistakes into account and built a new production for the MS-21 (which, for a minute, Minister Manturov personally promised to make 70-80 pieces a year belay )? What, no? Again, there is only money left for the repair of the old assembly building in Irkutsk, where MiG-27 and Su-27UB were also made? .. And someone believes that these areas will be just right for the production of 80 aircraft of this size per year? Maybe `` bruised '', as you dubbed people here, trying to really look at things happening in our society, and not continue blindly `` hawking '' propaganda pouring on us from all cracks and spreading in a blissful smile from feeling cool and involvement in the `` great accomplishments '', which turn out to be fake, bluff, `` cartoons '' and certainly gigantic `` misappropriation of budget funds '' (or, in simple terms, banal budget theft and cuts ...), this is just `` well-informed optimists '' who, by some miracle, have not lost touch with reality in our wild times?
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 28 December 2020 15: 43
    +8
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Invoce
    The law banning dual citizenship is already six months old

    If I am not mistaken, it was rejected in the State Duma .. Against themselves, they will not adopt laws.

    How many times have you been caught in a lie. And like water off a duck's back)))
    It reads:
    “On the status of a member of the Federation Council and the status of a deputy of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation” (part 3 of article 1).
  15. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 28 December 2020 15: 49
    +3
    On this occasion, Western aviation expert Anthony Angrend writes ...


    I have no doubt that the PD-14 engine for the MS-21 airliner is an excellent device.
    But who is this Anthony Angrend? Where does he write this and what is his expert opinion based on?

    The foreign expert community notes that Russia "was early written off from the accounts of the civil aircraft industry." As an example, not only the MS-21, but also the Il-114V, which were created in Russia, are cited, primarily for updating its own aircraft fleet.


    And I completely agree with this statement. However, where is this "foreign expert environment"? I’m already silent about the foreign expert Thursday, not to mention Friday. lol
  16. askort154
    askort154 28 December 2020 16: 13
    +6
    By creating PD-14, Russia showed that it was written off early.

    What a "brilliant" conclusion of a foreign expert. He does not know that Russia has not been written off for centuries.
    And now the Permians have to roll up their sleeves and tackle the PD-35 tightly.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 December 2020 16: 16
    0
    It's nice that in the West, not only deb oozes, but also normal people live who reason sensibly.
  18. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 28 December 2020 16: 23
    +1
    they will never miss our plane to the market, it's like sp-2
  19. ccsr
    ccsr 28 December 2020 18: 53
    -1
    The foreign expert community notes that Russia "was early written off from the accounts of the civil aircraft industry."

    As they used to say in my time - "You cannot drink skill".
    This is how they prepared two enemas for the "all-propals" at once - you can insert without Vaseline ...
  20. Russian2020
    Russian2020 28 December 2020 19: 02
    -1
    We have a nuclear engine, which no one has at all, in space, in general, a tugboat is built on ion engines, it's just that everything rests on money with us, and in their brains
  21. evgen1221
    evgen1221 29 December 2020 06: 20
    +3
    It's a shame and sad that today the creation of an aircraft in the country is presented as a breakthrough of the century. With the union, we considered it commonplace in the change of generations of technology.
  22. ont65
    ont65 29 December 2020 07: 20
    +1
    Our air steers will puzzle anyone with their throws. Either we do not need our own aircraft industry, we will take everything we need abroad, then we, together with foreign friends, will make large planes and SSJs with MCs appear, then they sent us ... and now we will now master The basics are reluctantly vbuhivaya money in urgent and expensive projects. To say that it pleases is impossible. Only the grave can fix fools.
  23. zwlad
    zwlad 29 December 2020 08: 41
    +1
    questions to those who believed that with vast experience in civil aircraft construction and a developed engineering and design school, Russia would not be able to enter the passenger aviation market.

    The expert notes that a de facto intercorporate monopoly of the American Boeing and the European Airbus has developed in the world.

    I don’t think the task is to enter the international market with our own product. Rather, the task has been set to kick the aforementioned "partner" companies out of the Russian market, at least from domestic flights.
    And this is generally correct.
    And over the hill and over the puddle, you can fly on Boeings and Airbuses.
  24. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 29 December 2020 14: 35
    0
    Quote: TimX
    Are these plans being fulfilled?

    Timur, there is a bitter truth in your words ... But !!!
    If you notice, the situation has changed somewhat.
    1. MC is mainly made from domestic components, and this is not 85% of foreign suppliers, as in the SSJ-100.
    2. MS is needed on domestic routes, and domestic airlines are ready to invest in it.
    3. In terms of technical and economic indicators, it is preferable to all other medium-haul narrow-bodied vehicles, including bobiks and watermelons.
    4. The new Prime Minister is not a teddy bear. MikhMish still has everything under control and without sentimentality regarding the performers of the "national projects".
    Therefore, for some reason it seems to me that everything will turn out ... AND ALL HAPPINESS WILL BE laughing