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Combat aircraft. Po-2 in the German manner

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Yes, our today's hero can be very conditionally called a combat aircraft. Much the same could be called a non-combatant chef on the front line. On the one hand, it seems so, the warrior from the cook is very conditional. On the other hand, try without it! Sukhpay, it is, of course, a sensible business, but you will survive on it more than live. And fighting is very conditional, and the further, the more difficult.



So our Po-2, throughout the war, was engaged in a variety of things: bombing, taking out the wounded, dropping cargo to the partisans and those surrounded, scouting the weather, delivering mail and orders, and in general, it was an airplane for all occasions.

The Germans had about the same irreplaceable thing. In general, no army in the world could operate successfully without communications aircraft. Such were the times, without the military Internet and long-distance communication systems.

In general, where the Wehrmacht was, one could meet our hero there, from the sands of North Africa to the cold fjords of Norway.


The Fieseler Fi.156 "Storch" turned out to be a very successful machine, very lightweight, but possessing simply unique flight characteristics, the main of which was the ability to sit on a minimum-size platform and take off just as calmly from it. In numbers, it looked like this: 60 meters for takeoff, if a headwind was blowing from 15 m / s, then the run length decreased to 40 m.

The idea of ​​the creators, Gerhard Fieseler and Reinhold Meves, to equip their brainchild with a wing with the highest level of mechanization at that time, played perfectly here.


First, the aircraft was equipped with automatic slats of the "Handley-Page" system, which occupied more than half of the wing length. Secondly, the "rotating wing", the original flap, which could move back and down and increase the wing area by 18%. With such bells and whistles, a shortened take-off became a common and unproblematic activity.

The rest of the aircraft had the most common design: the fuselage was welded from steel pipes and sheathed with fabric, a two-spar wooden wing, again with a fabric covering, plumage sheathed with plywood.

The creators paid attention to the chassis, which was very advanced: shock-absorbing struts with candle steel springs and oil dampers ensured that there were no strong shocks to the crew during landing.

The cockpit was designed for three people, since the plane was not originally planned by the military, the glazing was done from the heart and just huge glass provided an excellent view. The cockpit ceiling was also made of glass.


As the engine was chosen "Argus" Аs-10С, light and rather powerful for its weight (213 kg), producing 240 hp at takeoff, and 200 hp in flight. Its fuel was provided by two tanks of 150 liters, located behind the cockpit. Considering that in cruise mode the Argus consumed 50-60 liters per hour, the aircraft's range was quite decent.

In the summer of 1935, the Fieseler Fi.156 flew, and on tests of its flight characteristics everyone liked it. An airplane flew at a speed of 50 to 170 km / h, took off from anywhere, moreover, 40 meters with a headwind of 13-15 km / h was the norm, and if in such a wind you use brakes or pads to accelerate the engine to the maximum, then “Stork "15 meters were enough for takeoff.

Gentlemen, the consultants from the Luftwaffe, behind whose backs the representatives of the army were hanging out, weightily said "Zer gut!" and put up a specification for an army communications aircraft. LTH actually copied the data of "Aist", but that was the order then: competition and no talk

The competition, of course, was arranged.

Several companies came to the competition, namely: Bayerische Flyugzeugwerke with the Bf.163 project, which was very similar to the creation of Fieseler Flyugzeugbau, Siebel Flyugzeugwerke with the Si.201 model and Focke-Wulf with the FW autogyro project. 186.

The Siebel model was very radically innovative, with a pusher propeller, which the Luftwaffe representatives did not like very much. And the ministry officials disowned the autogyro almost immediately. And the Bayerische Flyugzeugwerke had something to do, they had a Bf.109, which was definitely more interesting to them than the communications plane.

The products of Siebel and Weser Flyugzeugbau (they were given the Bf.163 project) launched their prototypes only in 1938, when the Storch was not only flying, but was already serially built. In general, the competition turned out so-so.

While competitors were trying to build something there, Fi.156a-1 went to win hearts and minds at the Zurich Air Show, which took place in July 1937. A version was shown that was planned for both commercial use and military needs. But in principle, they thought to leave the a-1 for the military, and on the commercial front, the b-1 version was supposed to go, with a richer finish and additional bells and whistles.

However, the gentlemen from the Luftwaffe said: "We take everything!" and the production of a commercial version was no longer discussed. But the b-1 was even more advanced in terms of wing mechanization and innovations such as a new type of controlled slat promised an increase in speed of up to 210 km / h.

But the Luftwaffe decided otherwise. There were enough specialists who were able to appreciate all the capabilities of the machine.


The aircraft weighs only 1 240 kg and has a very low wing loading of 48 kg / sqm. (for comparison: the Bf 109E-1 had 157,25 kg / sq. m.) He did very interesting things in the air. The controllability and ability to fly the car remained at a speed of about 50 km / h, and with a sufficient headwind, the plane could hover. Takeoff run of 50 meters and landing run of 18 meters - that was reality.

Naturally, the Luftwaffe immediately decided that the aircraft was capable of solving a wider range of tasks than communications and reconnaissance. Smoke screens were tested on the Stork, the aircraft was tested for the role of a naval patrol aircraft with a 135-kg depth charge suspended under the fuselage, as a bomber with three bombs of 50 kg each (one under the fuselage, two under the wings). They tried to throw bombs from a gentle dive, for this purpose marks were applied to the windshield, and instead of a special inclinometer, and the dive angle was determined by the pilot by the inclination of the wing struts to the horizon.

The bomber version was even tested in Spain as part of the Condor Legion.

At the same time, according to the results of combat use, defensive armament was installed from one MG.15 machine gun, firing back through a "lens" installation in the roof of the cabin.


Of course, this greatly increased the aircraft's chances of surviving, but in fact, the "Aist", fluttering at an altitude of 20 meters at a speed of 50-70 km / h, was a very difficult target for any fighter of that time.

Simultaneously with the liaison plane, a reconnaissance aircraft appeared, equipped with aerial cameras and an ambulance plane with a place for a stretcher with the wounded. The crew of these aircraft consisted of two people.

Little by little, Fi.156 began to be supplied to other countries, Switzerland, Finland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia began to buy it. One plane hit the Soviet Union. Allegedly, Goering gave it to Stalin, but this is more like a myth. But the fact that the plane could have been purchased by Tevosyan's commission is easy. There were enough literate people in the group who were able to assess the capabilities of the aircraft. Yakovlev, Polikarpov, Shvetsov, Suprun ...

Fi.156 even wanted to be produced in the USSR, for which a plant was prepared in Estonia for assembling an aircraft with a French air-cooled Renault-6Q engine under the name SHS ("Staff aircraft"), but before the delivery of serial machines began, in 1941 The plant was occupied by German troops.

When World War II broke out, the Fi.156 began its career primarily as a rescue aircraft, taking out downed pilots. For this purpose, they began to create special squadrons "Storhov".


Naturally, the generals of the Reich also appreciated the capabilities of the new aircraft and the ease of use. Kesselring not only flew this plane, but also piloted it himself. Erwin Rommel respected the Stork very much, who used a specially prepared version of the Fi.156c-5 Trop for Africa. However, when the British shot down the Storch, Rommel moved to the faster FW.189.

Combat aircraft. Po-2 in the German manner
General Walter Model beside his "Stork"

For work in the desert, Fieseler has developed several interesting options designed specifically for work in difficult conditions. In addition to anti-dust and anti-sand filters, the "desert" aircraft received a large unglazed hatch on the right side of the fuselage, which greatly facilitated the loading and unloading of the wounded.

And in series "e" "Stork" became ... caterpillar!

Yes, for use on airfields with poor soil quality, a very interesting version of the aircraft with the original landing gear was developed. Each landing gear had two independently suspended wheels in tandem one after the other with a rubber tubular track stretched over them. Unfortunately, I could not find a photo, only a description.

This caterpillar was supposed to increase the area of ​​contact of the landing gear with the ground and exclude the aircraft nosing when it hits an unnoticed furrow, pothole or stone. With this chassis, a test setup series of 10 Fi.156e-0 units was produced.

The plane was in demand. Despite the fact that the Fieseler plants were fully loaded with the Bf.109 output, the Fi.156 output also grew. In order to meet the needs of all those interested in "Aist", the release was organized at the former factories "Moran-Saulnier" in France and at the "Mratz" factory in Czechoslovakia.

The peak of Fi.156's career was the rescue in 1943 of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini by a group of thugs led by Otto Skorzeny.


Mussolini, after surrender, was accommodated in a hotel on the peak of the Gran Sasso Massif in Abruzzi Molise. The hotel was located at an altitude of 3000 meters, it was only possible to reach it by cable car, which, of course, was well guarded.


On the personal instructions of Hitler, a dizzying operation was developed with the use of paratroopers on gliders, who were supposed to interrupt Mussolini's guard (250 people) and free him.

They planned to take out the Duce on a Focke Achgelis Fa.223 "Drache" helicopter designed by Heinrich Focke (the same one who was "Focke-Wulf"), but the helicopter broke down as luck would have it.


Well, here came the finest hour of Captain Gerlach and his "Storch". Mussolini and Skorzeny (who did not want to leave with his soldiers on their feet) were taken from a small area in front of the hotel. Yes, two such wild boars as Otto and Benito, and even in the highlands - it was a serious task. But "Aist" coped with "excellent".


However, this special operation was one of a kind. Basically, "Storks" sat on no less difficult sites, but for the sake of simpler characters. But they did it massively and easily.


The production of Fi.156 for the needs of the Luftwaffe continued until August 1944. Then they began to curtail production for the sake of the fighter program. However, for all the time, 2900 aircraft of all modifications were produced, about 300 of which served with the allies of Germany.


Interestingly, Fi.156's career did not end with the end of the war. Since the equipment remained at the factories, the plane was quite in demand, so after the war the Morane-Saulnier MS-501 "Criquet" from France and the Czech Mráz K-65 "Čap" appeared in the sky.

As they say, find the difference.

We can say that "Aist" is an analogue of our Po-2. At least, he performed the same tasks for the Luftwaffe as the Po-2 in the Red Army Air Force, only he did not try himself as a float seaplane, unlike our airplane.


The fact that Gerhard Fieseler got an excellent plane is understandable. In general, Fieseler, by the way, was a very good pilot, participated in the First World War, shot down 19 enemy aircraft and was a recognized aerobatics ace. So it is understandable that with such luggage the plane turned out to be very interesting.


Gerhard Fieseler during the First World War

Lightweight, nimble, easy to control. And if we add the fact that the Aist had no problems with transportation ... The fact is that the wings of the Fi.156 could be folded along the fuselage, and the plane could either be transported on a railway platform in a “combat” state, nothing more without disassembling, or… simply tow it with a tractor along the road.


The aircraft, of course, is conditionally combat, but its outstanding data and participation in the war allow us to give it its due in our cycle.

LTH Fi.156c-2


Wingspan, m: 14,25
Length, m: 9,90
Height, m: 3,05
Wing area, м2: 25,20

Weight, kg
- empty aircraft: 930
- normal takeoff: 1 325

Engine: 1 x "Argus" As-10-C3 x 240 hp
Maximum speed, km / h: 175
Cruising speed, km / h: 150
Practical range, km: 385
Maximum rate of climb, m / min: 280
Practical ceiling, m: 4 600

Crew, prs: 2

Armament:
- one 7,92 mm MG.15 machine gun in the rear of the cockpit
- depth charge 135 kg or 3 bombs of 50 kg
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  1. alpamys
    alpamys 3 January 2021 05: 12
    +13
    interesting, thanks.
    1. dauria
      dauria 3 January 2021 17: 27
      +2
      Firstly, the plane was equipped with automatic slats of the "Handley-Page" system,


      The author, the slat was not removable, was fixed "tightly". Both on pre-production and in mass series C. The controlled slat was tried on the B series, but refused, the series did not receive development.
      Mentioned about mechanization and "forgot" hovering ailerons.
      Don't be offended, but engineers have a style of describing a design. A dozen sentences should be enough. And you have a lot of everything, and the information is minuscule.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 3 January 2021 05: 25
    +19
    Theodor Eicke SS Obergruppenfuehrer, the first commander of the 3rd SS Panzer Division "Dead Head" ("Totenkopf"), one of the founders of the concentration camp system in Nazi Germany, took off on such an airplane on his last flight.
    On the afternoon of February 26, 1943, he was worried about the lack of radio communication with the tank regiment, so he boarded a Fieseler Fi.156 Storch (light single-engine reconnaissance aircraft) to investigate the situation from the air. Eicke discovered the location of a group of SS tanks near the village of Mikhailovka, but did not see from the air that the neighboring village of Artelnoye was still in Russian hands. His "Stork" dropped to a height of 100 meters and began to slowly turn over the well-camouflaged positions of the Red Army. The Russians opened a hurricane of machine-gun and rifle fire on him and in the blink of an eye shot down an airplane, which burned down between two villages.


    http://hrono.ru/biograf/bio_e/eyke_t.php
    1. Theodore
      Theodore 4 January 2021 18: 34
      +2
      What kind of dragonflies minus you !? Ants would be in their pants!
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 11 January 2021 21: 57
        +1
        I join you, Lech from Android pointed out an interesting fact!
  3. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 3 January 2021 05: 27
    +3
    In numbers, it looked like this: 60 meters for takeoff, if a headwind was blowing from 15 m / s, then the length of the run was reduced to 40 m.
    The wind with such speed is rare, usually the wind blows 2-5 m / s.
    1. Eug
      Eug 3 January 2021 08: 21
      +3
      Interestingly, how he with such "volatility" landed with a side wind? No matter how low the landing speed, and without the skill of the pilot - nowhere ... and nowhere have I seen what kind of aerodynamic quality it had, the figures of the minimum and maximum would be especially interesting ...
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 3 January 2021 09: 16
        +6
        For An-2, for example, a crosswind with a speed of 7 m / s is critical, that is, if a crosswind of 7 m / s is blowing, then An-2 can no longer land, as it will be blown off the runway. Wide-body aircraft can land with a crosswind of 14 m / s.
      2. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer 3 January 2021 11: 35
        +8
        With its length of run, the concept of crosswind is a convention (just kidding).
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 3 January 2021 13: 28
          +8
          Quote: mr.ZinGer
          With its length of run, the concept of crosswind is a convention (just kidding).

          I guess, yes. He could sit across the strip.
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 5 January 2021 22: 06
            +2
            As a joke. FAC says to VP An-2:
            - Something the strip is short, 40-50 meters ...
            - But wide ...
      3. PilotS37
        PilotS37 4 January 2021 13: 14
        +2
        Quote: Eug
        Interestingly, how he with such "volatility" landed with a side wind? No matter how low the landing speed, and without the skill of the pilot - nowhere ... and nowhere have I seen what kind of aerodynamic quality it had, the figures of the minimum and maximum would be especially interesting ...

        Well, the lateral side is parried by the rudder, the resulting roll - by the ailerons, which were large for the "Storch". And the mass of the plane has nothing to do with it.
        As for the a / d quality, then, of course, with such a load on the wing, it was low. You can estimate it - approximately - by flight range and fuel consumption (maximum) and maximum speed (minimum).
        1. va3610
          va3610 21 January 2021 16: 14
          0
          ... The pilots, accustomed to the fact that the Fi-156 forgives mistakes, piloted the plane extremely carelessly. Especially many accidents and disasters occurred during landing. It was often possible to see how the "Shtorkh" with its nose raised literally fell vertically, keeping the air on some flaps and ailerons. Before touching, it was necessary to add a little throttle, but many pilots ignored this rule and landed the plane almost vertically. Often such a maneuver led to damage to the chassis and propeller, and even to the engine torn out of the engine mount. Surprisingly few accidents led to the death of pilots, although the cockpit did not have anti-sweep arcs. After the war, one of the Storchs was transferred to Great Britain for testing. In his operational book, it was written in thick pencil: Auch der Storch is nich narrensicher! "Even" Shtorkh "has limits of foolishness!" ...
      4. Gardener91
        Gardener91 4 January 2021 19: 35
        0
        Quote: Eug
        I wonder how, with such "volatility", he landed with a side wind?

        With this landing mileage, the choice of direction is not critical. It was more important to determine the direction of the wind, which in the absence of information from the landing site, the pilot determined the drift angle.
    2. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 3 January 2021 11: 15
      +4
      depending on where))) in my small homeland - the southern coast of Primorsky Territory 10-15 m / s is quite a common occurrence
      1. Ml. Sergeant
        Ml. Sergeant 10 January 2021 11: 34
        +1
        Yes, you definitely noticed
    3. Alexfly
      Alexfly 3 January 2021 14: 15
      0
      It depends on where you live ... In the mountains and on the coast, the wind differs in its strength at times ...
    4. Kostya Kirsanov
      Kostya Kirsanov 17 January 2021 14: 11
      0
      where, as in the seaside zone, it is commonplace. And in the mountains too.
  4. Revolver
    Revolver 3 January 2021 06: 19
    +17
    It also has not the most honorable "distinction" of the only aircraft shot down from a pistol in the entire war. hi
    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/5/31/aerial-gunfight-shot-down-by-a-45/
  5. svp67
    svp67 3 January 2021 07: 09
    +13
    "Stork" was being prepared for another "feat" ... in April 1945, Adolf was to be taken out on it ... It did not happen. Our artillery managed to destroy the area intended for take-off.
    In general, the Germans had more complete analogues of our U (Po) -2, which they turned from a training aircraft into a multi-functional aircraft, including a night bomber ...
    Arado Ar.66

    Go.145

    FW-44

    Bu-131
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 3 January 2021 08: 54
      +6
      Well, in the memoirs of our commanders and military correspondents about the "storm" it is mentioned that the Germans used this plane in Berlin "all the way"; that is, until the complete capture of the city by Soviet troops!
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 3 January 2021 11: 25
        +15
        hi
        Happy New Year, Vladimir!
        The Siebel model was very radically innovative, with a pushing propeller, which was not very pleasant to the representatives of the Luftwaffe.
        Author: Roman Skomorokhov

        Yes it was a "flying suitcase" of some kind!
        Aerodynamics at tram level ...
        How do you find Siebel Si 201?
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 3 January 2021 12: 33
          +6
          Happy New Year ! Ost .... Skomorokhov "suffered"! What, fir-trees, "innovations" in "Siebel"? belay Planes with a pusher propeller and a "gondola" flew ahead in WW1! In addition, in a number of significant performance characteristics, Siebel did not surpass, and in some of them was inferior to Shtorch! yes In addition, the Siebel-201 never went into production!
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 3 January 2021 13: 05
            +4
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            "Siebel" did not surpass, and in some of them was inferior to "Storch"

            The Si 201's takeoff run was not 50, but 100 meters
            tail boom vibration ...
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 3 January 2021 19: 00
              +2
              Well, yes ... it was written about this in articles "dedicated" to Si 201 ... I did not say about 50 m at "Siebel" ... But about 50 m at "Storch" I "heard" back in Soviet times , when I read about a certain meeting with the participation of aircraft designers (aircraft designer) ... In any case, I remember that the topic of the meeting was the creation of a light aircraft and the "storm" was cited as an example ... After that Yakovlev built the Yak-12! (that's why I was "surprised" by the mention of 60 m with Skomorokhov's article; since in that old article they mentioned 50 m near the "storm" ...)
              1. Mister X
                Mister X 3 January 2021 19: 14
                +3
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                I "heard" about 50 m at "Stork" back in Soviet times

                Slepcev Storch (Serbia) - copy of Fi 156 in 3/4 scale.
                Rotax 912ULS engine (100 HP).
                Takeoff 50 m, landing - 70.
                https://reaa.ru/threads/prodaju-shtorx-samolet-kvp.80991/
          2. Mister X
            Mister X 3 January 2021 13: 34
            +3
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            What, fir-trees, "innovations" in "Siebel"?

            The layout of the Si 201 crew was innovative: the pilot and the observer sat side by side. wink
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 3 January 2021 18: 25
              +4
              Quote: Mister X
              pilot and observer sat side by side

              Like this ? what
              1. Mister X
                Mister X 3 January 2021 18: 42
                +1
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                Like this ?

                What kind of car?
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 3 January 2021 19: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Mister X
                  What kind of car?

                  As I remember, "Farman" ... There is also a "picture" ...
                  1. Mister X
                    Mister X 3 January 2021 20: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    As I remember, "Farman"

                    I rummaged: different, but also French Voisin
                    His replica took part in the filming of the films "Two Comrades Served" and "The Elusive Avengers".
                    The movie machine is on display in Monino.
                    An interesting article about
                    https://csdfmuseum.ru/articles/203-%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B0
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 20: 55
                      +1
                      Yes, 'voisin', of course. A replica, emnip, is in Monino.
                      1. Mister X
                        Mister X 3 January 2021 21: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        in Monino costs.

                        I wrote above
                        And here is the exhibit itself
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 21: 12
                        +3
                        ... I wrote above

                        Yes, I'm sorry.
                  2. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 3 January 2021 21: 47
                    +3
                    Quote: Mister X
                    another, but also French Voisin

                    These airplanes with a pusher propeller, consisting of a biplane box of the wing densely entangled with stretch marks, an odd design of the tail and a bulky truss, which the tongue can not dare to call the fuselage, even then looked old-fashioned against the background of the elegant monoplanes "Nieuport", "Moran" and "Deperdussen", But Oddly enough, in terms of speed, rate of climb and maneuverability, they were no worse than serial monoplanes, and their story began in 1906, when a rather experienced (although not in the business of building aircraft) came to work for the only recently founded aviation company of the Voisin brothers mechanical engineer Henri Farman. He was looking not for work, but for experience - "Voisin" was the second aviation company in France after Louis Blériot's. Henri Farman had money, and he ordered an airplane from his employer, in the construction of which he began to take part.



                    The Voisin brothers decided to call their planes by the names of their customers - the first planted aircraft was called Voisin No. 1, or "Kapferer". Its buyer was the nephew of the millionaire and philanthropist Henri Deutsch de la Mert, who paid for the construction. This plane could not take off, and success was expected by Voisin No. 2, or "Delagrange I", intended for the sculptor and sportsman Leon Delagrange. And the third airplane Voisin No. 3 went to Farman and was called, respectively, "Farman I." Flying on it, Henri set several records (formally world records, but in fact only European ones, since he was still far from the results of the Wright brothers' Americans ...

                    Henri Farman left the Voisins and at the end of 1908 organized his own company in Chalon-sur-Marne (now Chalon-Champagne, in northern France), where he himself began to build airplanes, the first of which was Farman HF III (Henry Farman No. 3 ). In 1909, he opened his own flight school in Reims, and in 1912 teamed up with his brother Maurice, who in 1910 built his first successful aircraft MF VII (Maurice Farman No. 7). Thus, another family was born in aviation. business.
                    [b] Farman's first airplane is simply the renamed Voisin. Later, Henri Farman improved its design ...

                    "FARMAN"

                    "VOISIN"
        2. Tochilka
          Tochilka 3 January 2021 14: 01
          +2
          As an example - in the film Two comrades were serving, such an aircraft (with a pushing propeller) flew for reconnaissance.
  6. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 11: 44
    +1
    ... take Adolf out ... It didn't happen. Our artillery managed to destroy the area intended for take-off.

    Nonsense, Hannah and von Greim flew to Berlin on April 26 (Hannah planted a 'storm' at the Brandenburg Gate) and remained in the office 3 day... On April 29 they flew to Kiel at Herr Dönitz's headquarters. The decision of the Fuhrer to stay in Berlin was not influenced by Soviet artillery and the absence of a runway for the Storch, no need to compose.
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 January 2021 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      The decision of the Fuhrer to stay in Berlin was not influenced by Soviet artillery and the absence of a runway for the Storch, no need to compose.

      Well, if I also agree with the runway, then don't even argue with the merit of the Russian artillery that Adolf stayed there ...
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 17: 47
        +1
        ... then with the merit of the Russian artillery, that Adolf stayed there, don't even argue ...

        Five meters of reinforced concrete above the Fuehrerbunker is too tough for any artillery. The cannonade of Soviet artillery only strengthened the Fuehrer in his confidence in the fatal inevitability of the end. And 'left' his cyanide and a can of gasoline.
  7. your1970
    your1970 3 January 2021 12: 14
    +3
    With a longer takeoff run of 40 meters ???
    Quote: svp67
    Our artillery managed to destroy the area intended for take-off.

    In fact, he could accelerate and take off in any alley ... He would rather be prevented by some kind of wires or lamp posts ...
  8. Serg koma
    Serg koma 3 January 2021 15: 37
    0
    Yes, two such wild boars as Otto and Benito, and even in the highlands - it was a serious task.

    Benito Mussolini: height 169 cm., Weight 70 kg (passenger weight is not more than the average)
    Otto Skorzeny 193-196 cm (according to various sources).
    To compare the anthropological data of Benito and Otto, the same as to equalize "Aunt Yu" and "Storha" according to LTH wassat The author, call the "boars" by their proper names - "fascists".
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 18: 00
      +2
      ... The author, call the "boars" by their proper names - "fascists".

      Gerlach and Skorzeny would have laughed if they heard this nonsense. Only the Duce was the 'fascist' in the cockpit of the 'storm'.
  9. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 3 January 2021 16: 07
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    In general, the Germans had more complete analogues of our U (Po) -2, which they turned from a training aircraft into a multifunctional aircraft, including a night bomber ..

    On the whole, I rate Storch higher than Y / Po-2. But the trick is that Storh demanded a much higher culture of production (and resources, money), and our U-2 could and was spanked even at furniture factories. Despite the fact that in terms of performance characteristics, in general, both were still quite comparable. So yes, the airplane is great, but for the world war the U-2 looks much better.
    Like the Panther - in fact, the best tank of the Germans and certainly superior in aggregate fighting parameters of the T-34 (even -85) individually, but we riveted five of our T-34s (-85) on one Panther. Which, even if they were worse in some aspects, were in the lead in others. And all this at a much lower cost.
  10. sh3roman
    sh3roman 7 January 2021 19: 15
    0
    Bu-131, plane, Belmondo, in the film was shot about the rescue of a Jewish boy from germany
  • Free wind
    Free wind 3 January 2021 07: 16
    -11%
    Skorzeny rather shrugged himself out of fear, and therefore climbed into the plane, and did not accompany Mussolini, the whole team was soon killed. By the way, a certain Rudel came to Storch, the son of the dog remained alive, interestingly he could fly except on the Stuka, although later he flew on the Fock-Wulf.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 12: 15
      +10
      ... the whole team was soon killed.

      No. The paratroopers descended into the valley by funicular as planned.
    2. your1970
      your1970 3 January 2021 12: 18
      +1
      In the training regiment mi-2, the waitress with tanks with lunch for the cadets at the training ground was picking up by weight - and here two obvious oversized by weight ...
      How flying the plane was !!!!!
    3. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 3 January 2021 13: 04
      0
      There are stories that Rudel was, to put it mildly, stupid, which does not detract from his personal courage, and having learned from a thing, he did not want anything else. taking off on a storm right on takeoff put it on a tree;)
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 January 2021 13: 43
        +4
        He was a stubborn Nazi until old age - that's true. But I flew any
        planes. After the war, he fled to Argentina. I flew a lot
        and there (with one leg).
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 3 January 2021 14: 32
          -1
          I flew .. but did not move to the assault fv190 during the war, although the thing at the end of the war was archaic
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 January 2021 15: 59
            +6
            There was no one to fly on Shtuki in 44-45: the aces, capable of diving vertically at 80 degrees, had already all died. Only crazy supermen like this one were left in single numbers. Stuck - a unique, crazy plane for crazy people
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 3 January 2021 20: 51
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There was no one to fly on Shtuki in 44-45: the aces, capable of diving vertically at 80 degrees, had already all died. Only crazy supermen like this one were left in single numbers. Stuck - a unique, crazy plane for crazy people

              Stuka, at least on the Eastern Front, has had two wars. One, approximately in the middle of the Battle of Kursk, when the Germans had undeniable air supremacy. And in this war, the Stuck was a fearsome weapon. The world's first high-precision weapon, could, on order, hit a tank or a trench with a machine gun with a bomb. Add a siren whine when diving, crushing the psyche. The USSR did not have this. Yes, formally the Pe-2 was able to dive, but most of the pilots were not able and were afraid, and the German knew that even if he disconnected from the overload at the exit from the peak, the automatics would work for him. And also because the Germans could almost call the company commander on the radio to call air support, and give target designation on the radio, and the Pe-2 radio stations were good if the flight commander, and usually only the squadron commander, and the quality was still the same, and not close to Telefunken. There was no talk of the radio in the infantry companies.
              But when the Air Force of the Red Army recaptured the air superiority from the Germans, the "laptezhnik" became a laughing stock, a textbook on which experienced fighters taught newcomers how to shoot down Germans correctly. No speed, no maneuverability, and the tail is covered with just a rifle-caliber machine gun. In general, without fighter cover, they were quickly shot down, and in the second half of 1944 their use at the first call of the infantry and massive bombing ended. Individual planes, converted into cannon attack aircraft, flew to hunt for tanks (and, unfortunately, were good at it).
              1. Oprichnik
                Oprichnik 4 January 2021 02: 05
                +1
                Dear Nagan! The fact that allegedly "Ju-87 with 37mm guns were not bad" was invented in the department of Goebbels. And now they are supported by non-thinking people. It is enough to evaluate the very low rate of fire of these guns, their very small ammunition of 7, and then 14 rounds per barrel and, most importantly, their large distance from the aircraft axis by several meters, as it becomes clear that they could have got into the tank rather by accident and not more than one shell. And the armor action of the 37-mm projectile is weak and therefore there is no need to repeat Hitler's tales. If these attack aircraft were effective, there would be a lot of them, and so ... Yes, and the asynchronous shots turned the plane around and shot down the aiming just like on our IL-2. Therefore, we also abandoned the massive use of the Il-2 with 37-mm cannons. I had a chance to communicate with a front-line soldier who flew for a short time on such an IL-2. He argued that it was very difficult to hit the target, since the plane shakes and shakes, the rate of fire is small, there is no synchronization, the guns are far apart from each other and therefore only area targets like artillery positions or convoys could be fired.
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 6 January 2021 09: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Oprichnik
                  The fact that the alleged "Ju-87 with 37mm guns were not bad" was invented by Goebbels.

                  Unfortunately, at least some of Rudel's victories are confirmed by a photo-machine gun, according to Wikipedia.
                2. Dimasius Bigfootovich
                  Dimasius Bigfootovich 6 January 2021 11: 42
                  0
                  Actually, you yourself wrote why the cannon IL-2 did not hit point targets, there is no synchrony. Well, it’s like that with Ila, the cannon Ju-87 had synchronization, due to the electric triggering of the cannons, therefore the accuracy beyond hundreds of meters was almost several times higher than the Ila cannons of the same caliber.
              2. dmmyak40
                dmmyak40 5 January 2021 22: 13
                0
                A coaxial machine gun was later installed on Stuk.
  • andrewkor
    andrewkor 3 January 2021 07: 19
    +5
    Once I read "Memories of a Soldier" by G. Guderian. So he also often mentioned the benefits of this airplane!
    1. Skif
      Skif 17 February 2021 18: 42
      0
      What does Guderian write about the benefits of IL2?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 3 January 2021 07: 44
    0
    Speaking of the cooks, I read that during the war, our cook seized a tank, jammed the tower with a hole, and killed someone from the crew with an ax, who climbed to see what happened. It seems that the newspapers of that time wrote about this feat. On an airplane, something eats too much gasoline. Before the war, there were already airplanes that fit 15-20 liters per hundred, with 4-5 people on board.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 3 January 2021 15: 06
      +1
      This is no joke, the guys really did it, they are heroes.
  • Potter
    Potter 3 January 2021 07: 48
    +16
    In the USSR, O.K. Antonov, this was his first car that could become serial. The serial plant is not in Estonia, as in this translation, but in Siauliai. The name of the aircraft is OKA-38. When put into service, it received the name SS - communications aircraft. The MV-6 engine, which has French roots. Several built copies were killed in the bombing of the airfield.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 3 January 2021 08: 29
      +10
      which could become serial. .... OKB Yakovlev brought the matter to the end with his Yak-12, however, this niche in the USSR aviation was occupied by the legendary An-2 biplane, aka Anushka, aka Kukuruznik ... nevertheless, 12 were riveted under 5 pieces
    2. Eug
      Eug 3 January 2021 08: 30
      +5
      As far as I understand, Yak - 12 is to some extent also an attempt to create a similar aircraft. Interestingly, during the development of OKA, Antonov already headed the design bureau (judging by the name) or was Yakovlev's deputy still?
      1. Potter
        Potter 3 January 2021 08: 52
        +4
        On the recommendation of Yakovlev himself, a separate design bureau was created even during the development of OKA-38. Other works of the design bureau were the A-2 training glider, the A-7 landing craft, and the VP air trailer for towing a 500 kg bomb behind the fighter. But in 1943 Antonov returned to the Yakovlev Design Bureau as his deputy, and in 1945 he was transferred to Novosibirsk to a serial plant as the head of the Yakovlev Design Bureau. Since 1946, the development of the SKH-2 (AN-2) began, later the Novosibirsk branch of the OKB was separated into an independent design bureau.
    3. mr.ZinGer
      mr.ZinGer 3 January 2021 10: 24
      +2
      There is a dark story with the place of production of this aircraft, I read both about Kiev and about Vilnius.
  • sibiryouk
    sibiryouk 3 January 2021 09: 02
    0
    The disadvantages of Fizler-Storch were a continuation of its merits - General Schobert (Manstein's predecessor as commander of the 11th Army) died on such an aircraft, the aircraft landing while flying over the troops landed directly on a mine and was destroyed if the aircraft did not have such outstanding landing data I had to land at the airfield and the general would have survived.
    1. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 5 January 2021 22: 28
      +1
      In the year 1949, at the Voronezh or Kursk airfield, while taxiing, the Li-2 fell into a hole and was blown up by an anti-tank mine. Echo of war ...
  • sibiryouk
    sibiryouk 3 January 2021 09: 09
    0
    There is information that it was on such a plane that Hannah Reich flew to Berlin at the end of April 1945 to take out A. Hitler. The plane landed on Berlin Street near the Reich Chancellery, but was then damaged or destroyed by shelling.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 11: 52
      +6
      ... The plane landed on Berlin Street near the Reich Chancellery

      At the Brandenburg Gate.
      ... but then it was damaged or destroyed by shelling.

      Nonsense. Hannah and von Greim flew to Kiel on 29 April.
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 3 January 2021 09: 30
    +3
    There is a legend. When Stalin was shown this plane, he said: I also want this. Apparently, therefore, the Yak-12 is similar to the Stork. And, in my opinion, on the Stork they practiced taking off on a leash in a circle, I will not argue. An-2 and Yak-12 are aircraft of different purpose: the first is a truck, the second is a taxi, but they harmoniously complemented each other.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 3 January 2021 10: 32
      +3
      Read Yakovlev's memoirs, there is everything about the creation of the Yak-12, and as a child I was lucky enough to "ride" the Yak-12 (he worked for us in agricultural work) - lucky ...
    2. 113262a
      113262a 3 January 2021 12: 32
      +2
      The similarity is conditional! Behind a puddle at the same time, the Piper Cub was produced, also sooooo volatile and with no less outstanding characteristics. And also attached to the American army. And whoever has not produced it to this day!
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 January 2021 10: 31
    +5
    The United States had and, surprisingly, has a similar aircraft, even outwardly similar to the Piper J-3 Cub, it is the most massive aircraft, the first copies were produced in 1931. Produced for 80 years.
    Very popular in Alaska. The cost of modern models is about 20 thousand dollars. Sold by kits for self-assembly.
    Modifications are still in progress. Permanent participant in the competition for the shortest takeoff and landing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPakbghLe38
    Who stole the construction from whom "science does not know", but they are very similar.
    1. Alf
      Alf 3 January 2021 23: 08
      +2
      Quote: Konnick
      Who stole the construction from whom "science does not know", but they are very similar.

      The same requirements give rise to the same designs.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 January 2021 10: 38
    0
    There was also a Soviet analogue after the war ...
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  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 3 January 2021 11: 20
    +4
    Photo from the Aviation Museum in Prague
    Saw this plane in the museums of Vienna and Munich, a masterpiece
    Hanna Reitsch, the only female holder of the Iron Cross 1st class, tried to take Hitler out.
  • motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 3 January 2021 11: 32
    +11
    Firstly, the aircraft was equipped with automatic slats of the "Handley-Page" system, which occupied more than half of the wing length. Secondly, the "rotating wing", the original flap, which could be pulled back and down and increased the wing area by 18%. With these bells and whistles, a shortened takeoff became a common and unproblematic experience.

    Oh God! It would be better about Fizler's gastronomic preferences!
    Firstly, FIXED, not automatic slats were installed on the plane and they occupied the FULL wingspan, as everyone can see from the photo.
    Secondly, in addition to the flap, the ailerons were also lowered, and played the role of flaps during takeoff and landing. So that the whole wing worked.
    Takeoff and landing were still not as easy as the author describes. With such a large span, low speed, the absence of a transverse V wing and, therefore, a VERY large damping moment in roll, the pilot needed to be very careful and at the same time quickly pedal (rudder), which Rudel, for example, could not cope with and fell on tree in the park of the headquarters of the Luftwaffe. For, by the way, he received the corresponding nickname.
    Unfortunately, the author did not mention the inherent curtain, the landing technique. On throttle throttled, with the handle fully taken over, using the brakes after touching, the plane landed virtually without running
    And one more thing, the view of the curtain, especially sideways-down, was very good, I think that O.K. Antonov, being engaged in the OKA "Aist" aircraft, appreciated this moment and applied similar glazing in his An-2.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 3 January 2021 11: 52
    +5
    Quote: Free Wind
    there were airplanes that fit 15-20 liters per hundred,

    With a motor of 240 l. / S. -50 liters per hour of flight is very good. And count on a hundred, the speed is 175 km / h. The plane is wonderful! hi
  • Mister X
    Mister X 3 January 2021 12: 04
    +11
    And in series "e" "Stork" became ... caterpillar!
    Unfortunately, I could not find a photo, only a description.
    Author: Roman Skomorokhov

    The nevingtonwarmuseum mentions 2 experimental series:
    D - with twin wheels
    E - with double and rubber track wheels




    1. iouris
      iouris 3 January 2021 13: 22
      -8
      Copied from the MiG-31 (unambiguous).
  • Mister X
    Mister X 3 January 2021 12: 06
    +6
    There was a modification on the ski chassis

    Finnish Air Force Fi 156С-1 liaison, 1942
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  • Mister X
    Mister X 3 January 2021 12: 52
    +8
    Found a book of the "War in the Air" series by Ivanov.
    It describes the Fieseler Storch aircraft on 70 pages.
    I have not seen more detailed work.

  • Mister X
    Mister X 3 January 2021 12: 56
    +7
    sanitary version Fi 156



  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 January 2021 13: 03
    +3
    In 'Seventeen Moments ...' he was played by Yak-12)
    True, then Bf 109 scatters along the runway, and Fw 190 takes off)
  • Mister X
    Mister X 3 January 2021 13: 10
    +4
    Fieseler Fi 156 Storch at the Museum Munich, Germany.
    Pay attention to the chassis

    1. mr.ZinGer
      mr.ZinGer 3 January 2021 16: 36
      +2
      Vienna Army Museum
  • iouris
    iouris 3 January 2021 13: 22
    +2
    To compare it with Po-2 is extremely incorrect both in terms of functions and technological level. The analogue (clone) is the Yak-12, which is made "after the war" for generals. Some generals liked to poach. Once Vasya Stalin himself had an accident on such a hunt (A.S. Yakovlev himself wrote about this in his memoirs).
    The engine, apparently, could not be copied (well, this is as usual).
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 3 January 2021 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      It is extremely incorrect to compare it with Po-2 in terms of functions.

      Unlike the Po-2, the Storch was never used for night bombing.
      1. iouris
        iouris 3 January 2021 13: 38
        +3
        Quote: Mister X
        Unlike Po-2

        Unlike Po-2 (so "better").
        Functional. Po-2 is an initial training aircraft for the USSR. It was not designed as a "night bomber". "Storch" is a rather comfortable communication plane for VIP of Germany. This is already a big difference.
        Let's think about why the Germans did not use the "Storch" for night bombing of the front line of the Soviet troops? A? Maybe they didn't see it as an effective way of fighting?
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 3 January 2021 14: 02
          +2
          Quote: iouris
          Unlike Po-2 (so "better").

          After yesterday's burgundy, I'm forgiven drinks

          Quote: iouris
          "Stork" is enough

          CurtainЬx (so "better") wink

          Quote: iouris
          comfortable communication plane for VIP

          Were there Storch planes in VIP configuration?
          Yes, it was flown by high-ranking officials, but this is not an FW 200 V3 "Immelmann III" with a bunch of unique bells and whistles.

          William Green considered it to be the primary multipurpose aircraft.
          Wherever the Wehrmacht was, you could definitely find Storch.
          1. iouris
            iouris 3 January 2021 15: 25
            -1
            Quote: Mister X
            Storm (this is "better")

            It depends on what dialect.
            Let's just: "Storch".
            Quote: Mister X
            Were there Storch planes in VIP configuration?

            I didn’t mean exactly the "complete set", but that the aircraft was German, for the generals. The production culture is simply much higher.
            1. Mister X
              Mister X 3 January 2021 15: 41
              +3
              Quote: iouris
              for mainly generals.

              Generals could be carried on any plane and car.
              Call them all VIP transport?
              Standard-Kurier- und Verbindungsflugzeug der deutschen Luftwaffe im Zweiten Weltkrieg. Er wurde zudem als Beobachtungs- und Sanitätsflugzeug eingesetzt.
              https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler_Fi_156
              Not a word about generals, right?

              Quote: iouris
              The production culture is simply much higher.

              In wartime, quality suffers greatly.
              You do not agree?
              1. iouris
                iouris 3 January 2021 19: 55
                -2
                Quote: Mister X
                In wartime, quality suffers greatly.

                Everything is relative (relative to something).
                Quality is a purely market concept. The product is of high quality if the sales volume is high enough for the manufacturer to survive in the competition.
                In wartime, it is correct to pose the question of compliance (with the requirements of the military, the front). Combat equipment and armament must ensure the specified combat effectiveness.
                It was impossible to sell the Po-2 on the world market; from the point of view of (German) military science, it was a completely useless primitive airplane ("Russian-plywood").
                So what? Everything is relative. Po-2 was a product that ensured the achievement of the specified (by the Soviet military) combat effectiveness.
                1. Mister X
                  Mister X 3 January 2021 20: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: iouris
                  from the point of view of (German) military science

                  I study mainly the history of small arms, there are publications on VO.
                  Surely you know a lot of facts about how the quality of German pistols, rifles, and PPs gradually deteriorated.
                  Especially towards the end of the war.
                  In his articles about German armored vehicles, Evgeny Fedorov also conclusively described the drop in the quality of their armor.
                  Was it really different in the German aircraft industry?
                  1. iouris
                    iouris 4 January 2021 13: 06
                    0
                    Here is another question. German industry has always depended heavily on the supply of raw materials from abroad. Therefore - "blitzkrieg". By the end of the war, Germany had practically lost its resources. In general, it is not clear how they managed to do something and set in motion military equipment "by the end of the war."
                    1. Mister X
                      Mister X 4 January 2021 14: 04
                      0
                      Quote: iouris
                      Everything is relative (relative to something).

                      Quote: iouris
                      By the end of the war, Germany had practically lost its resources.

                      Has the quality of products dropped in Germany since the beginning of the war?
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 4 January 2021 15: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Mister X
                        Has the quality of products dropped in Germany since the beginning of the war?

                        It depends on what is considered a drop in quality. For example, in the T-IVJ, the interior painting was canceled, they simply did not have time. Is this a drop in quality or not?
                      2. Mister X
                        Mister X 4 January 2021 18: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        in the T-IVJ, they canceled the inside of the tank, they simply did not have time.

                        I give you + for humor laughing

                        Now seriously.
                        From the report of TsNII-48 (Armored Institute)
                        Signed on December 24, 1942
                        As expected, the main alloying element was chromium, which enemy steelmakers added to the armor in the range of 1-2,5%.
                        Molybdenum (0,2-0,6%) was next in importance, followed by silicon and nickel (1-2%).
                        Manganese, widely used as an alloying additive in Soviet armor, did not find much distribution in captured steel.
                        Only in chromium-molybdenum armor with a low content of chromium, vanadium and molybdenum could a relatively high proportion of manganese be noted - up to 0,8%.
                        The Germans added manganese to such a steel recipe only for the desire to ensure the hardenability of armor to a thickness of 20-40 mm with a simultaneous low content of chromium and molybdenum.
                        Among the reasons for saving manganese was the chronic shortage of this metal in Germany.


                        Let me remind you: the report is December 24, 1942, and the Germans already have a shortage of manganese.
                        Do you really think that at the end of the war the Germans just didn't have enough time to paint their tanks? wink
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 15: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Mister X
                      Has the quality of products dropped in Germany since the beginning of the war?

                      It fell. For example, Walter's PPK has replaced the frame with luminous.
                    3. Mister X
                      Mister X 4 January 2021 19: 14
                      0
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      Walter PPK has replaced the frame with luminous

                      The Walther PPK-L with an aluminum alloy frame was developed after the war, in the 1950s.
                    4. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 19: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Mister X
                      The Walther PPK-L with an aluminum alloy frame was developed after the war, in the 1950s.

                      I'll look for the Infantry Weapons textbook tomorrow, and I'll let you know. I don't remember where I put it. hi
                    5. Mister X
                      Mister X 4 January 2021 19: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      I will look for the textbook "Infantry Weapons" tomorrow

                      You can probably download it.

                      During the war, an aluminum alloy was used in the MP38.
                      The pistol grip frame was made from it.
                      On the MP40, it was already stamped from steel to reduce the cost.

                      Aluminum is a critical alloy for the production of aircraft and engines.
                      So they saved the aluminum and replaced it where possible.

                    6. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 19: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Mister X
                      You can probably download it.

                      I don't have it on the Internet. I was given it for excellent shooting in the early 90's. I looked for it on the Internet, but I couldn't find it. There is a second edition, but there is no first one, where there were three authors. Well, I didn't find it personally.
                    7. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 19: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Mister X
                      So they saved the aluminum and replaced it where possible.

                      And the Finnish soldiers made a scabbard from luminium.

                      These are, for example. From our downed planes.
                    8. Mister X
                      Mister X 5 January 2021 00: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      From our downed planes.

                      So it's free.
                      The girls sewed dresses for themselves from parachute silk ...
                    9. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 00: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Mister X
                      So it's free.

                      And this despite the fact that Finnish companies produced cardboard sheaths. Leather was also considered a strategic material.
                    10. Mister X
                      Mister X 5 January 2021 00: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Finnish companies produced cardboard sheaths

                      Additional info on the topic
                      https://guns.allzip.org/topic/248/1928161.html
                    11. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 January 2021 01: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Mister X
                      Additional info on the topic
                      https://guns.allzip.org/topic/248/1928161.html

                      No, I live on Rusknaif.
          2. Mister X
            Mister X 5 January 2021 13: 30
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I'll look for the Infantry Weapons textbook tomorrow,

            hi
            Found it?
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 January 2021 14: 28
    +3
    Storch probably did not have the same flight quality as the Po-2, in terms of gliding ability. The main bombardment technique is planning at night on a detected target with the engine off. The usual tactics of an attack by a Po-2 group - the most experienced pilots provoke anti-aircraft guns into shelling and leave with maneuvering, the next group flies out to the identified anti-aircraft positions and searchlights and suppresses air defense, and then lighting bombs are dropped and the main blow on ground targets, the usual target of night bombers was airfields. By the way, during the Korsun-Shevchenko operation, Po-2 was used to transport ammunition, all other equipment was paralyzed by bad weather and muddy roads. And another myth that only women flew in Po-2 - from about 70 NB regiments, only one was female.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 3 January 2021 19: 07
      +1
      There was never a myth. There was a movie. And I still can't understand about the turned off engine. After all, there was no starter on the engine? How to wind up in the air?
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 3 January 2021 19: 14
        +2
        From the screw autorotation, in my opinion. But more often they simply throttled, that is, at idle.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 3 January 2021 19: 48
          +1
          It turns out that you just reduced the speed to a minimum in order to reduce the noise?
      2. iouris
        iouris 3 January 2021 20: 06
        0
        Quote: garri-lin
        And I still can't understand about the turned off engine.

        I had the good fortune to communicate with a front-line soldier from Leningrad, who at the age of 16, having added a year to himself, went to the front, fought on the "Nevsky Pyatachka". He said that at night, at times from above, they were shouted in female voices from above: "Hey, in the trench, mark the front line!" These were The Night Witches.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 3 January 2021 20: 41
          +3
          He said that at night, at times from above, they were shouted in female voices from above: "Hey, in the trench, mark the front line!" These were The Night Witches.

          The Bershanskaya regiment was not on the "Nevsky patch". An episode of the supply of the Eltigen landing (Crimea, November 1943) is described, in addition to the 889 NBAP, the landing was also supplied by the 46th Guards NBAP E.D. Bershanskaya. By that time, my father fought in the 889th NBAP.
          1. iouris
            iouris 4 January 2021 13: 09
            0
            Quote: Aviator_
            The Bershanskaya regiment was not on the "Nevsky patch".

            I have not checked, but this does not exclude the participation of female crews in hostilities in any sectors of the front.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 4 January 2021 14: 51
              0
              Excludes. The female crews were in the 46th Guards Night Bomber Regiment. Evdokia Davydovna gathered crews all over the country, even retrained her armed men. The regiment was part of 325 night bomber aviation division, 4th Air Army, combat route - Kuban, Crimea, Belarus, Poland, Germany. So your veteran is confusing.
  • Alf
    Alf 3 January 2021 23: 18
    0
    Quote: iouris
    Let's think about why the Germans did not use the "Storch" for night bombing of the front line of the Soviet troops? A? Maybe they didn't see it as an effective way of fighting?




  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 January 2021 13: 38
    +3
    This class of aircraft is still relevant today. These planes are cheap and easy to operate, at a cost with jeeps.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdb0TKu3rk
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 January 2021 13: 48
      +3
      Quote: Konnick
      This class of aircraft is still relevant today.

      Now the electric car is "relevant". All the bosses only think about how to save on gasoline ... And where does the electricity come from and where to put the batteries then there is no time to think.
  • Mister X
    Mister X 3 January 2021 14: 44
    +3
    just did not try myself as a float seaplane
    Author: Roman Skomorokhov

    60 years later, a seaplane appeared.
    Produced in Serbia, designed by Nestor Sleptsov.
    Called Slepcev Storch, it is a 156/3 scale replica of Fi 4.
    Supplied as a DIY kit or as a ready-to-fly aircraft.
    The aircraft first flew in 1994.
    It is produced in several modifications, VTCH and Seaplane.




  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 3 January 2021 16: 06
    +2
    Quote: sibiryouk
    There is information that it was on such a plane that Hannah Reich flew to Berlin at the end of April 1945,

    Raitsch she ...
  • dgonni
    dgonni 3 January 2021 18: 05
    +1
    Yes, the Germans made a good plane. And it's not for nothing that Yakovlev put Antonov on his copying. And the development of OKA-38 then Antonov greatly helped in the creation of the AN-2.
    P.S. Well, I don't remember from which of the front-line pilots I read that in the 45m in the baltics or near Könixberg they found them as trophies and used them as personal transport. By the way, that pilot also wrote for the ease of piloting and the ability to parachute!
    I read it for a long time on the site I Remember!
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 3 January 2021 19: 19
    +3
    Curious airplane. Thanks to the author for a good review, in which only books this Stork was not mentioned. :)

    And in the comments, in my opinion, they overdid it. :) And the Po-2 was compared with the Yak-12 and the Piper. However, for some reason no one sees a 240 hp engine. from a German! not even close to civilian vehicles, Piper 65 hp, Po-2 and Yak-12 100 hp each. The power-to-weight ratio of a German is twice as high. Obviously not a civilian choice, they did not save initially.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 3 January 2021 20: 47
    -1
    As A.S. Yakovlev, a big surprise for him was the use of our Krasilshchikov profile on the wing of a Storch aircraft
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 3 January 2021 21: 24
    +3
    Graceful dragonfly! In comparison with PO-2, it looks more technically advanced and better performance characteristics.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 January 2021 21: 58
    +3
    Quote: Aviator_
    He said that at night, at times from above, they were shouted in female voices from above: "Hey, in the trench, mark the front line!" These were The Night Witches.

    The Bershanskaya regiment was not on the "Nevsky patch". An episode of the supply of the Eltigen landing (Crimea, November 1943) is described, in addition to the 889 NBAP, the landing was also supplied by the 46th Guards NBAP E.D. Bershanskaya. By that time, my father fought in the 889th NBAP.


    Many veterans, under the weight of years, attributed heroic incidents to themselves from works of art. Now there is a video on the Internet with a veteran who talks about hand-to-hand fighting. And how he changed the PPS to a rifle with a bayonet, since a rifle with a bayonet is better than a submachine gun in hand-to-hand combat .... and people believe that unfortunately.
    1. iouris
      iouris 4 January 2021 13: 19
      +4
      Quote: Konnick
      attributed heroic incidents to themselves from works of art

      Already "attributed". Almost everyone who performed "heroic deeds" died. My grandfather, the commander of the machine-gun crew, who was called up immediately after the start of the war and until June 1943, who was somewhere "on the border" (or, perhaps, abroad) of Iran, died (died of wounds) on the Kursk Bulge on July 14 or 15. He participated in only two battles. In all the official lists of the dead, the Ministry of Defense is listed under a different name (one letter was mistakenly changed). Not awarded. The place of burial is not known exactly. He definitely didn't "ascribe" anything. And he did not become a "veteran".
  • Konnick
    Konnick 4 January 2021 13: 47
    +1
    Quote: iouris
    Quote: Konnick
    attributed heroic incidents to themselves from works of art

    Already "attributed". Almost everyone who performed "heroic deeds" died. My grandfather, the commander of the machine-gun crew, who was called up immediately after the start of the war and until June 1943, who was somewhere "on the border" (or, perhaps, abroad) of Iran, died (died of wounds) on the Kursk Bulge on July 14 or 15. He participated in only two battles. In all the official lists of the dead, the Ministry of Defense is listed under a different name (one letter was mistakenly changed). Not awarded. The place of burial is not known exactly. He definitely didn't "ascribe" anything. And he did not become a "veteran".

    My grandfather was declared dead only after the war, thanks to a letter from a fellow countryman, officer, party member. Then, when the MO created the website, I also found a letter about my grandfather sent to the MO and restored the combat path, the date of death and the place. Even a reward for his subordinate, where it is simply written - "after the squad leader was killed, he took command and stabbed a German officer with a dagger ...". So my grandfather was that squad leader of the 1st company (the company commander and his platoon commander also died in hand-to-hand combat, so there was no funeral) of the 46th separate motorcycle regiment, in other awards for the soldiers of this regiment, which became Guards near Rzhev , there are many references to hand-to-hand fighting, but in the trenches. There was no hand-to-hand fighting in the open field.
    And my father fought (was drafted to the Far East) for only three days, surrounded by a machine-gun company of 62 pulbats during the Seisin landing in Korea and only told how quickly the cartridges ran out, received a Nakhimov medal and a grenade splinter in the leg.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 January 2021 13: 57
      0
      Quote: Konnick
      There was no hand-to-hand fighting in the open field.

      There were. Read "Iron Rain" by Kurochkin. There the Essians attacked the perly. In field. Ours met them hand-to-hand.
  • Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 4 January 2021 13: 54
    0
    Turbulator (on the leading edge) - the first increase in lift.
    Flaps are the second.
    Flaperons, that is, both ailerons are lowered and at the same time continue to work as ailerons - the third.
    With a good headwind to model airplane builders (we have a good one starting from 5 m / s), the thrill is the fourth turn, glide path, a couple of meters above the touch point, you work with gas and PB and softly like a lift - splash ... wink
  • PilotS37
    PilotS37 4 January 2021 13: 55
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    Quote: motorized infantryman
    they occupied the WHOLE wingspan, as everyone can see by looking at the photo

    Motor gunner, here you kick our Roman in vain: in aviation it is customary to calculate the wingspan without deducting the under- (or above-) fuselage part. But the Storch has no slats above the cockpit, for obvious reasons. Therefore, the wording "more than half the wing length" is quite adequate.
    ... it's another matter that Roman, apparently, does not know that the wing has no "length" - it has a "span". As the saying goes, "you recognize an amateur by terms, like a bird by flight" (c).
  • Konnick
    Konnick 4 January 2021 14: 16
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Konnick
    There was no hand-to-hand fighting in the open field.

    There were. Read "Iron Rain" by Kurochkin. There the Essians attacked the perly. In field. Ours met them hand-to-hand.


    Kurochkin self-propeller and writer. Maybe he wrote about this fight. I'll read it. In operation Bagration, all the fighters of one company of the 2nd Guards. MCP, the former 46 MCP, where my grandfather fought, were awarded the Orders of Glory
    http://www.warmuseum.by/index.php/component/k2/item/766-
    There was hand-to-hand combat, the Germans tried to escape from the cauldron, but they no longer had their own weapons.
  • Radiator
    Radiator 4 January 2021 18: 29
    -2
    I did not notice in the article information that the Germans ripped off the wing for their supercorn from the Soviet design.
  • Sergey985
    Sergey985 4 January 2021 22: 02
    -1
    A very interesting article.
  • Protos
    Protos 6 January 2021 00: 48
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    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    In numbers, it looked like this: 60 meters for takeoff, if a headwind was blowing from 15 m / s, then the length of the run was reduced to 40 m.
    The wind with such speed is rare, usually the wind blows 2-5 m / s.

    We have 6-10m / s in Crimea, and 15 often!
  • Oberleutnant
    Oberleutnant 6 January 2021 17: 54
    +1
    Well done Roman! Greetings from Germany.
  • Kostya Kirsanov
    Kostya Kirsanov 17 January 2021 15: 04
    0
    As anyone, but I was interested.
  • Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 23 January 2021 04: 46
    0
    Fi.156 even wanted to be produced in the USSR, for which a plant was prepared in Estonia for assembling an aircraft with a French air-cooled Renault-6Q engine under the name SHS ("Staff aircraft")


    ShS is a completely different handicraft machine.
    Fi.156 was launched into series in the USSR as C [vaznoy] C [amoleth] -1 and C [anitarny] C [amoleth] -2.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 25 March 2021 15: 24
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    now the plane-analogue of the storm costs between 4 and 15 million (depending on the manufacturer)
    these planes used to be much more affordable than they are now 80 years later
    and there are so many rules that you will pay another half for all kinds of insurances and licenses.