The jury found Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues, guilty

A conscript soldier Ramil Shamsutdinov, who shot eight of his colleagues, was found guilty of a crime by a jury. This is stated in the message of the 2nd Eastern District Military Court, where the meeting is taking place.

The jury unanimously found Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues, guilty of murder, but said he deserved leniency.

Yes, guilty. Unanimously

said the foreman of the jury.

It is reported that the defense was able to prove that the real cause of the tragedy was systematic bullying by senior conscripts, contract soldiers and officers of the unit. On December 22, in the last word, Shamsutdinov repented of his deed.

Shamsutdinov is expected to be sentenced before the end of the year, with the prosecution asking for 25 years in prison, not life.

Recall that on October 25, 2019, a private conscript Ramil Shamsutdinov opened fire on his colleagues, killing eight people and wounding two. One of the most probable reasons for the execution was called hazing in the unit where Shamsutdinov served.

Shamsutdinov shot his colleagues from the Ak-74M machine gun, which he received on the territory of the duty shift training complex. Having received ammunition in the amount of 4 magazines of 30 live rounds each, Shamsutdinov loaded the machine gun and opened fire at the servicemen, aiming at the head, chest and back. It is specified that having used up the first magazine, he attached the second one and continued firing, after which, finding the survivors, he fired additional shots.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well. Justice has been done. But what conclusions were made about what is happening in the unit, if everything is, as the convict says?

[ximkim]

No conclusions have been drawn from what is happening from the words of the convict. Everything will also remain.

[sanek45744]

That is, you rely on the words of the person who killed so many people. this is strange to me.

[ximkim]

I rely on the article, but it's not just that he killed so many people.

[sanek45744]

you wrote from the words of the convict, and now talk about the article. and how do you know, maybe he did it just like that.

[ximkim]

The article does not indicate the words of the convicted person, but the case consists of the event and testimony, and the conclusions were not drawn primarily for the commanders, since they were the first to talk to him.

[sanek45744]

What nonsense. for what you start to zip? Simply all words are out of thin air, but in fact there is nothing. Speak loud words and zero proof

[ximkim]

A conscript soldier Ramil Shamsutdinov, who shot eight of his colleagues, was found guilty of a crime by a jury. This is stated in the message of the 2nd Eastern District Military Court, where the meeting is taking place.


The jury unanimously found Shamsutdinov, who shot his colleagues, guilty of murder, but said he deserved leniency.

Yes, guilty. Unanimously

Where is nonsense.?

[ximkim]

This case and this court (not an isolated case) did not draw any conclusions.

[sanek45744]

I have such a question, did you even serve? I want to understand you honestly.

[ximkim]

And you don't need to understand me.

[sanek45744]

YES by the fact that I was HF and where was the charter and where was the hazing. I know what I'm talking about and you probably don't understand what you're talking about. conflicts were both there and there. what conclusions do you need then.

[ximkim]

To avoid conflicts, more precisely, the essence of conflicts in the HF, which lead to the seizure of weapons (no choice remains). since: the charter does not apply, is ignored,

[sanek45744]

that there were no conflicts there should be no people at all in nature. You apparently did not live at all according to the charter.

[ximkim]

Then the HF must be closed so that people do not receive weapons.

[sanek45744]

what does the army have to do with it. I'm talking about society as a whole.

[ximkim]

The army gets weapons. but do not buy and acquire. Do you understand the difference.?

[Alex Justice]

My relative served. The old men beat him to death. Nobody was punished.

[sanek45744]

facts where. ? I can say a lot

[Avior]

Quite a lot has been written about the fact that hazing was in part. No one denies this fact

... The case of hazing in the military unit of Transbaikalia submitted to the court

Conscript soldier Ramil Shamsutdinov, who shot two officers and six colleagues, acts as a victim on it. Mass Murder Criminal Not Done, But Mitigating Circumstances May Appear

[Stas157]

Yes, guilty... Unanimously

Guilty that he dared to stand up for himself and paid off the offenders. He paid sternly. But they did not feel sorry for him either. And he broke this vicious chain. He did not see other ways, because you cannot escape from the army.

This is a sad story about bullying in the Russian Army, which the officers do not see (do not want to see). About lynching and the "fair" Russian court, which denies victims the sacred right to their defense.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Stas157

He did not see any other way, because you cannot escape from the army.

Where are such conclusions from? He could have moved to SOCH, he could have turned to the military prosecutor's office. He chose the most worthless option.

Quote: Stas157

But they did not spare him either.

The army is not an institution for noble maidens. They will not persuade them. I did not want to teach the charter, I also did not want to fulfill the duties of cleaning the guardhouse. What kind of reaction did he expect? Yes, when I was on compulsory military service, the company commander gave us "plops" as if for hello. And they ran and swayed with a tank cable. But no one would have thought of arranging executions, although weapons and ammunition had access to them. They often went to the shooting range.

[Stas157]

Quote: Alexander Seklitsky

He could have moved to SOCH, he could have turned to the military prosecutor's office.

Could you? Why didn't you? Do you think he did not know about them ??
These are bad options and apparently he found them unacceptable.

Quote: Alexander Seklitsky

The army is not an institution of noble maidens

Is this your justification for the bullying that is happening there? Well, get it and sign for the result.

[Walking]

You can simply shoot in an inadequate state, but it is already intentional to finish off the survivors. Shot as punishment for the dead is too prohibitive.

[Sofa expert]

Sorry, but he solved the problem radically and radically, looking into the eyes of these utyrkas and fear, and running around sochi is to run away from problems, no matter how much you run from problems, you can't run away from them .. He did everything right for him, but what these moral people sense their power and use it with impunity, these are their problems, there is such a word - KARMA

[Shooter22]

Many opinions have been expressed here about justice and not justice ... but from myself, as from a person who gave the service 25 years of his life, I can say unequivocally - there is simply no justification for the act of this ghoul. He is familiar with hazing and has always prevented it in the most severe way. But I also know something else - the army as an institution with specific tasks relies on a strict one-man command, which does not imply the words "I do not want" and "I will not." Preparing for the army, as they wrote, this criminal had to take into account this alignment. That the army is not only a beautiful uniform and weapons, but also washing the toilet, an outfit in the dining room and other "everyday things". But you see a horseman, he can't. No guys, if you go to the toilet, then you will wash it. We said this: Moskoy law is harsh, but fair - he refused to obey the command of the commander, right behind the hell and overboard. Refusal to fulfill the commander's order is a gross violation of military discipline, and during hostilities is punished more radically - with a bullet in the forehead. Otherwise it is impossible for reasons understandable to those who served. Tolerasty, who deliberately "skewed" for various reasons from the army can go straight from here in the forest, you do not have to argue on such topics. As well as "soldiers' mothers", whose children have never served, and the main sponsor - the Yeltsin Center. From experience I can say that hazing is everywhere, including in the US Army. For such a shooting, even under a deal with justice, an American soldier would have gotten 125 years in prison (or maybe immediately on an electric chair) and would have died there, dreaming of freedom. Democracy however. What do you want? This ghoul took the life of 8 people, and if we talk about justice and courage, then why didn't this horseman save the last bullet for himself? I wanted to live. Or is it reasonable to choose a prison couple of shea with convicts around for 20 years instead of washing half a year of the toilet in the barracks? Do you understand how he will come out of there? Where in the prison will his pride and valor of the horseman be thrust? There is always a choice. But the poverty of mind, cruelty and general youth, alas, are not cured. And God forbid that you guys, those who justify this ghoul, do not meet such on the way and do not deprive you or your family and friends of life. If this happens, believe me, you will "sing" a completely different song.

[Stas157]

Quote: Shooter22

washing the toilet, dining room outfit and other "household". But you see a horseman, he can't. No guys, since you go to the toilet, then you will also wash it

What does this have to do with the clothes and washing the toilet? The guy was smacked by his colleagues, mocked him ... and you reduce everything to household work.

If you were lowered and beaten every other day, neighing and called m, in the eye .... would you patiently endure everything? Your actions?

[Shooter22]

Stas, from your words at least it follows that you either "held a candle" there, or are familiar with the materials of the criminal case. This is true? You will read quotes from the court session on the Internet and you will understand that it all started with the refusal to comply with the lieutenant's order. It all starts small. And you, by the way, did not answer the question above - did you yourself serve in the army? If not, then everything becomes clear and further discussion is meaningless.
And just in case. If you and I killed all those who are not happy with or those who mock us (everyone has their own measure and understanding in this), then personally I would have "put" more than one hundred people, including very high-ranking people, although they have there are also moms and dads, wives and children. What if you would also be among those whom I consider people who humiliate my honor and dignity? What then? Or, in your opinion, every humiliated person can kill at his own discretion? This miserable ghoul with high self-esteem did not give a single life, but took 8. And without trying to solve this problem in another way, he chose the most cynical and cruel way. After all, he did not sit with the spirits in a zindan, but served in a unit in Russia. In the zone, he will quickly understand the difference between toilets there and in the barracks, but it's all late. Moreover, he deprived his life of his peers from school. Also non-statutory? What do they have to do with it? If such a "guy" would take your son's life "for the company" from you, who would you blame? Dedov? I doubt it. He had a choice. But there were no brains. I do not justify the commanders, as well as the psychologist, who could have prevented everything if she had come on guard at least once in three days. However, everything has already happened and I don't see any point in rubbing it further.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Sofa Expert

looking into the eyes of these utyrs

Oh, how you all combed your hair with the same brush. After all, even Shamsutdinov himself admitted that he did not have scores for everyone. He even flunked his conscript friend, who did not say a bad word to him.

Quote: Sofa Expert

but the fact that these moral people sense their power

I didn’t want to teach, I didn’t want to clean up. But what did he count on? Look at the Americans at their manners

[Tatyana]

Quote: ximkim
No conclusions are drawn from what is happening from the words of the convict. Everything will remain the same.

I wonder who the jury consisted of? Surely from the same officers only? There were probably no civilians among the jury.
And what mother would want to send her sons to such an Army ?! Yes, no!

According to the conscript soldier Shamsutdinov, he was preparing himself for the army, was not going to evade service, and in the future planned to link his life with the Armed Forces. However, he wrote in January 2020 that "I did not expect to go to such a hell."

Only now I am beginning to realize how much grief brought people, and broke my life

- Shamsutdinov wrote, adding that he did not understand at what moment he fell through.

[bk316]

There were probably no civilians among the jury.

Where have you seen a military jury trial? Do you even know how jurors are recruited?

[Tatyana]

Quote: bk316

There were probably no civilians among the jury.

Where have you seen a military jury trial? Do you even know how jurors are recruited?

I believe so because

it is spoken about in the message of the 2nd Eastern District Military Court, WHERE THE MEETING HAPPENS.

It makes no difference that the jury consists of current officers or of former officers and members of their families.

Something was not particularly heard that the command of the 2nd Eastern District for this incident of hazing in the army incurred any responsibility.

[bk316]

I believe so because

What are you right READ

Part 4 of Art. 4 of the Federal Law of August 20, 2004 No. 113-FZ "On Jurors of Federal Courts of General Jurisdiction in the Russian Federation" stipulates that the general and reserve lists of candidates for jurors for district (naval) military courts are drawn up by the highest executive bodies of state power of the constituent entities Of the Russian Federation on a territorial basis on the basis of the presentation of the chairman of the corresponding district (naval) military court in accordance with the general procedure. In accordance with applicable law military personnel are excluded from the general and reserve list of jurors.
Questions?

[Tatyana]

Quote: bk316

military personnel are excluded from the general and reserve list of jurors.
Questions?

Not a word is said here either about military retirees or about family members of the same serving officers. I think they were there.
So LOBBYING in the court of the interests of the officers in the army is quite possible. I don't even doubt it.

The list should have at least the composition of these jurors: who are they and what are they? And without this knowledge, this is just empty talk, generating only hard-hitting questions to the court and to our army.

[bk316]

[Quote] Not a word is said here either about military retirees or about family members of the same serving officers. I think they were just there. [/ Quote]
1. Family members are not military.
2. Said "in the general order" the general order is randomly proportional to men and women, different ages, military and no family members and non-family members. That is, members of military families may be there, but not all.
3. The jury can be dismissed.

Anyway, admit that you are wrong.
[quote] There were probably no civilians among the jury. [/ quote]
the correct statement is exactly the opposite.
There were no soldiers among the jury.

[Tatyana]

As for only serving officers, this is overkill on my part due to my ignorance of Part 4 of Art. 4 of the Federal Law of August 20, 2004 No. 113-FZ, which you gave me above.

And for the rest, apart from LOBBYING the interests and guilt of the officers in this case, I see nothing else in this case.
Informal relations are a disgrace for our army!

[bk316]

Informal relations are a disgrace for our army!

1. Non-statutory, Tatiana. Perhaps you meant all the same ...
2. An officer is always responsible for what is in his unit (unit.)
3. In essence, the question is complex. To understand how much you need to serve in the Soviet army.
I am inclined that hazing is an integral part of any normal army, but it must be kept in check.

[Tatyana]

Quote: bk316

The officer is always responsible for what he has in the unit (unit.)

It was precisely the deceased officer who responded with execution by the subordinate Shamsutdinov for hazing under his command!
It is a pity that Shamsutdinov also shot the rest of the servicemen at the same time. But psychologically, in this situation, it seems that he really had no other choice. All are "good"!

Quote: bk316

I am inclined that hazing is an integral part of any normal army, but it must be kept in check.

And who, in your opinion, should do this if not a commander-officer ?!
If an officer cannot control hazing among subordinates, and even if, on the contrary, indulges such hazing, then you need to drive such GORGE officers from the army! So that they do not spoil the life of themselves and others.

[bk316]

If the officer cannot control the hazing

No need to convince me, I agree that an officer should control everything in his unit, including non-statutory ones.
I am simply saying that there have ALWAYS been and will always be non-statutory to some extent. You cannot live only by the charter.

[Tatyana]

Quote: bk316

I am simply saying that there have ALWAYS been and will always be non-statutory to some extent. You can't live only by the charter.

Yes, I agree with you, too, that in practice it does not work out to live only according to the Charter! However, one must remain human in the army!

We, women, are offended in life!
We women give birth to you men in agony. In childbirth, we divide our body into ourselves and into you. You, men, our krovinushki - our women’s children from diapers to old age! And we want you men to be healthy, successful, happy and be a reliable support for us in life. And so that, when we die, we will be calm for you and your prosperous future!

Yes, such a mountain-officers and such a mountain-army failed, so that like this - some servicemen are killed out of revenge, while others are in prison!

[iouris]

Justice always "triumphs", but in terms of "conclusions" ... This is not a "part", but a "whole": the armed forces, which are a mold from society.

[Civil]

What a mean libel? Where does hazing come from in the army? This is all a lie. (sarcasm)

[sanek45744]

Where do you see bullying now !?

[bk316]

Where do you see bullying now !?

Well, compared to 80-90, of course bullshit, but hazing is immortal ...

[sanek45744]

now in what it is expressed, I just cannot understand. the fact that now the soldier is calling their
obligations to fulfill. they already consider it hazing. delirium to be honest.

[bk316]

Well, you understand that it is absolutely impossible to live according to the charter ...

[sanek45744]

but they didn’t live according to the charter, otherwise I think the loops would climb. people do not understand what they are talking about and writing about. if you choose statute or hazing, then it's better hazing. with what conflicts will be that under the charter, or under hazing

[u-345]

Close 5 young guys in one room for a day and in an hour they will start hazing.

[lis-ik]

Quote: sanek45744

Where do you see bullying now !?

To be honest, I don’t understand at all what kind of hazing with a service life of one year ?! Who has already managed to "get old" there? Maybe the relationship just didn't work out.

[Stas157]

Quote: lis-ik

Can the relationship just didn't work out.

Well, yes, it didn't work out ... before the murder.

[iouris]

And if "hazing" is a commander (lieutenant, captain, major ...)? Maybe this is "chaos"? The boss looks at the subordinate as his serf or, in general, a slave. If the mass assumes this position, but suddenly there is only one, which ... Can't this be?

[bondrostov]

Yes, because for a long time it is necessary to cancel the urgent! there is still no sense from these guys telephone. And if a person does not want to serve, no need to force him !!

[U-58]

It is necessary for the commander, political officer and special officer.

[Maz]

Tuta recently, the main Glavpurov member from a rostrum, said that hazing in the Russian army was finally over. I laughed so much with a comrade general and also a colonel.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well. Justice has been done. But what conclusions were made about what is happening in the unit, if everything is, as the convict says?

1. Schizophrenics are not drafted into the army. So he is normal.
2. Just like that, for no apparent reason, a normal person will not shoot at his colleagues. So there was a reason. Which one? If he shot at one, then there could be many reasons. If he shot at many, then there can be only one reason - hazing. I even admit sodomy.
3. He has committed a crime, the sentence is correct, and is worthy of leniency.
4. Command, from top to bottom, should be deprived of positions and stars.
I do not believe that the command of the military unit did not notice the hazing.

[Mountain shooter]

OFFICERS are responsible for bullying in the unit. And no one else. I got this one, not sewn a mare ..., on his commission, in a hospital ... Psycho, or "in a borderline state" - to treat in a team where military weapons are stupidity ... Moreover, not by statutory methods ...

[Blacksmith 55]

I agree, the officers are guilty, but they are not in the unit around the clock. But the sergeants, why did they not mention them, they are mostly always in the barracks, and I think they may have been complicit in bullying.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

I agree, the officers are guilty, but they are not in the unit around the clock

If an officer does not know what is happening in his platoon-company at night, he is worth a penny on a market day ...

[Blacksmith 55]

I agree, but the sergeants do not report everything, sometimes they themselves have "a stigma in fluff".
And they are the backbone of the barracks who must maintain discipline.
When I served there was also hazing, but our sergeants knew when to stop. It never came to assault. Young people naturally cleaned up more often in the barracks or in the park of equipment. It is clear where dozens of young men live, whose testosterone is off scale, there can always be conflicts.

[bondrostov]

Because you cannot force people to serve if they do not want to! And ours cannot refuse the call because of greed for dough. Accustomed to the people as to treat free halops, let them get them!

[kit88]

Private Ruslan Mukhatov was found guilty of hazing (Article 335 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) and sentenced to two years in a colony-settlement conditionally and to a fine of 30 thousand rubles. The defendant was accused of bullying Shamsutdinov and other soldiers.

[APASUS]

One of the most likely reasons for the execution was called hazing in the unit where Shamsutdinov served.

It is interestingly written, the investigation has already been completed and the trial is underway, and the reasons for the execution are considered probable.

[tasha]

Probably because it is impossible to prove the presence / absence of "bullying". In general, there is no such term in the legislation. The guy killed eight people - that's a fact. Everything else is just speculation ...

[APASUS]

Quote: tasha

Probably because it is impossible to prove the presence / absence of "bullying". In general, there is no such term in the legislation.

Not certainly in that way

In general, crimes in the army are assigned to the chapter of the criminal code "Crimes against military service". Hazing, in its direct sense, describes three articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: Art. 335

[tasha]

The comment is controversial, but useful. Thank you.

[bondrostov]

He killed him for the cause, and our stinking laws imprisoned him! It should be the norm that if they humiliate you, they mock you, then you can kill for it! This should be legally fixed

[Million]

I think that not only the private is to blame here ...

[2 Level Advisor]

I think yes, but the proven murder is only he committed, and the finishing touches prove that there was no affect .. In the framework of the murder case, only he ..
Although it would not hurt to check part of the hazing relationship .. on the other hand, it is difficult to collect evidence in such cases .. traces of bullying are needed .. there are few witnesses, and try to find them ...

[sanek45744]

Tell me where hazing is now, and what it is when they serve for 1 year.

[2 Level Advisor]

If you tell me, I don’t know where, in theory, that hazing that was, is no longer there .. but I think the "loshariki" have not gone anywhere, which in school everyone offends .. they will be and if they serve for six months ..
But part of it does not interfere with checking, in any case, such a situation is an oversight of the responsible persons .. However, I am sure that some have already been verified ..

[sanek45744]

I served at a time when hazing was still at a normal level. but after the tired part in high frequency where hazing is just a breath of air. and if he did not set himself correctly, then this is his personal problem and not people.

[U-58]

What the hell are you writing: I did not put myself right.
He came to his homeland to defend, and not to put himself in a team.
This, of course, happens.
But in civilian life and the team can be changed, if it does not work out. And in the part?
And if it did not work out, then where are the commanders who did not notice this, as well as the bestial inclinations of those who "set themselves correctly"?

[sanek45744]

You are now justifying the person who has turned away from the general. or washing the floors where you live is bestial tendencies.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: sanek45744

Tell me where hazing is now, and what it is when they serve for 1 year.

There is no hazing, and hazing as it was and remained, only if earlier the source was grandfathers, and the object was spirits, now the source and the object are the same people

[sanek45744]

But who is guilty if not himself? or someone helped him to pull the trigger

[yfast]

Three years for a corpse is not serious. For 20 years for a corpse, otherwise they will get used to killing in squads, so that it would not even be in their minds to kill colleagues in batches.

[kit88]

If it passes under Part 2 of Article 105, then, taking into account the verdict of the jury, the Court cannot give him more than provided for by the sanction of the Article - i.e. no more than 20 years.

[Reserve buildbat]

Interestingly, initially the "bullying", according to this idiot, consisted in the fact that he was forced to wash the floor, something else. That is, to fulfill the duties of a day carer. But then, when paid lawyers got involved, "hazing", threats of rape appeared, etc. In addition, a cold-blooded murder of 8 people was committed. and, in principle, not emotional actions, so I think that there can be only two options for punishment: the death penalty or life imprisonment with compensation to the families of the victims.

[armannu]

There will be no compensation.
There is no one to take from.
His father has no money.

[Reserve buildbat]

Make him work in the colony.

[bondrostov]

But others may have more minds when others will also be mocked, they will know that 9G can fly into the head

[U-58]

Something I doubt the coolness of the murder.
The guy has a nervous breakdown on the verge of insanity, and you mean the cool-headedness of a professional killer.
Have you ever seen the guys zamordovannyh in the unit?

[Reserve buildbat]

A nervous breakdown with shooting in the back? With quiet reloading and finishing off the wounded? Do you yourself understand what you are saying?

[Stas157]

Quote: Stroibat stock

A nervous breakdown with shooting in the back? With quiet reloading and finishing off the wounded? Do you yourself understand what you are saying?

Exactly. With finishing. Hatred. In such cases, the victims with the knife inflict many stabbing attacks when this is no longer necessary.

[ximkim]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: ximkim
No conclusions are drawn from what is happening from the words of the convict. Everything will remain the same.

I wonder who the jury consisted of? Surely from the same officers only? There were probably no civilians among the jury.
And what mother would want to send her sons to such an Army ?! Yes, no!

According to Shamsutdinov, he prepared himself for the army, did not intend to evade service, and later planned to connect his life with the Armed Forces. However, he writes, "did not expect to go to such hell."

Only now I am beginning to realize how much grief brought people, and broke my life

- Shamsutdinov wrote in January 2020, adding that he does not understand at what point he fell through.

I say that no conclusions have been drawn on this case, and this is not an isolated case.

[takisha]

Strange organization in this part. And where were all those who were supposed to prevent / stop this action in this situation? IMHO complete lack of service organization in the unit.

[armannu]

As if you did not serve ...
You will never guess before the event.
We had - junior sergeant, scoop, opened the gun and shot himself (in the company)
In general, nothing foreshadowed that this could be.

[Polymer]

Quote: takisha

Strange organization in this part.

Not only in this part, I guess. Chelakh's case reminded me.

[Cool but not Igor]

He should have been pardoned and allowed in such cases to shoot various "grandfathers" who have lost their heads, and then there will be order in the units. Because now you wet me with your head in the toilet or beat me for snoring at the very first training you will be shot. Yes, at first, how many people are shooting, but then everyone in society will understand that it is better to behave correctly! But this should only apply to conscripts, because hazing is mainly in their environment, officers rarely do this

[bk316]

And the army then served ...

[kit88]

allow in such cases to shoot different heads off

It's hard to come up with more nonsense.

[bogart047]

sorry for the kid I did the right thing. If every grandfather is used up, hazing will disappear as a phenomenon.

[bk316]

If every grandfather is consumed

Who are the grandfathers with a one-year service life?

[Stas157]

Quote: bk316

Who are the grandfathers with a one-year service life?

In your opinion, only grandfathers can scoff? Name it whatever you like. The fact is that there was a mockery, the rest is secondary. In any closed male collective, ranking takes place; informal leaders and designated victims appear. Hazing, community ... just forms of informal relationships.

[gorenina91]

-Here he is ... -faced and fattened ... geek ... -Take and just kill eight Russian boys who did not resist ... -They just could not believe that this monkey with a grenade would suddenly throw this grenade; and she will hide herself ... - if they only knew ... - what was on the mind of that monkey ... - If they only knew ... - after all, no one began to shoot in response to his shots ... - Eh , if they only knew what was on the mind of this non-human ... -that would not allow themselves to be killed ... - But they were just people ... - and this calculating monkey appeared in front of them ...
- How easily then this monkey gave up quickly; when she felt mortal danger ... and saving her own skin ... -because they can kill ... -beginning to compose various reasons in attempts to justify themselves ... - And now this non-human already has a whole chorus of "defenders" ... - Well , will give a minimum of time ... - and then she will be released ...
- But which of these "defenders" wants to let into their house ... this and abomination ...

[tasha]

I'll clarify just in case. Irina, and if in the place of private military service Shamsutdinov there was private military service Ivanov - would your comment be the same?

[gorenina91]

- We just need to instruct our soldiers today so that if someone like this suddenly appears and starts shooting or threatening; then it is necessary by all means and forces to try to destroy such a creature ourselves ... - just try to destroy such a creature ourselves ... - There is simply no other way out ...

[tasha]

I asked you a question. Let's be more precise - does your comment have anything to do with the nationality of Shamsutdinov, a private conscript?

[gorenina91]

- What do you want ... -it is necessary to "catch me on nationalism" ???
- It will not work ... - Moreover ... - personally, I am absolutely sure that the Tatars themselves (or whoever is there in his family) after this simply will not want to let such a creature into their house ... - They just disdain it ...
- Yes, and the life of their children and relatives is precious ... - you never know what this education has in mind ...

[tasha]

No, I just want to clarify. I repeat: "I will clarify, just in case. Irina, and if there were a private soldier Ivanov in the place of private military service Shamsutdinov, would your comment be the same?"

[gorenina91]

No, I just want to clarify. I repeat: "I will clarify, just in case. Irina, and if there were a private soldier Ivanov in the place of private military service Shamsutdinov, would your comment be the same?"

- A cowardly and bloody nasty maniac ... - will always remain as he is ... - in whatever clothes of a "righteous man" does he wear. ; no matter what kind of tribe (nationality) he belongs to ...

[tasha]

Irina, thanks for the answer. I fully support it. The judgment should be the same for everyone.
Private Shamsutdinov's guilt was proven by a jury. Unfortunately, the reasons why he committed this crime cannot be fully established.

[takisha]

Irregular relationships arise with the connivance and inaction of all levels of command. And I'm sorry for the boy - he didn't break.

[VORON538]

Just having made the decision to shoot people, he BROKEN!

[Stas157]

Quote: VORON538

Having just made the decision to shoot people,he BROKEN!

Would tolerate bullying further, would it be firm or what?

[gorenina91]

Irregular relationships arise with the connivance and inaction of all levels of command. And I'm sorry for the boy - he didn't break.

- Why was there a break ??? - Something constructive and carrying the function of some kind of support can break ... - And here ... - a cunning, cowardly, resourceful, mimicking creature for all circumstances, whose hands are in blood up to the elbows and who tries to survive with every fiber .. .. - Well ... it survived, survived ... - they didn't shoot him ... - they just disdained and no one wanted to take someone's death (even such insignificance) on their soul ... - So it survived. .. - having estimated in advance that no one would kill him ... - And he was not mistaken ... - and now he lives ...

[Stas157]

Quote: gorenina91

And here ... -cunning, cowardly, quirky , a creature mimicking all the circumstances, whose hands are in blood up to the elbows and who is trying with all its fibers to survive ... - Well ... it survived , saved ... - did not shoot him ... - just disdained and no one wanted to take someone's death (even such insignificance) to my soul ...

Woman, where does so much hatred come from in you? Looks like you were very offended?

[Alex95]

Most likely you have never encountered something like this. Glad for you, this cup has passed.

[Ryaruav]

I once would have removed the goats during the attack (these are not officers and warrant officers, these are village conscripts) the most hazing is autobats of all types and types of troops here on the site 99,9% of the drivers, why are you not outraged that you have a test delivery system for the rights existing for so long

[Mmm.]

He shot, finished off his wounded colleagues, was on duty and 25 years old and condescension !!! After all, he could have written to the prosecutor's office for bullying or deserted without a weapon, but calmly "out of the tishka" killed people, possibly not involved in the bullying. Just great.

[three]

An eternal theme. Eternal disputes. Who served - "well, it happens ...". Who did not serve - "a legal society, how can it be ...!?" ... There is no unambiguous answer here, everything is difficult, it's a pity for everyone, even for the stupid fly (the commander of the unit, Pyankov, it seems).

[Unknown]

What clicked in his head, and he filled up all the guard, no one will ever know, and he will not tell the truth either. All the talk about how they brought it up, stood up for himself, from the evil one. After all, the guy did not fall from the moon, he should have known what an army was. When he was drafted in 82, from the guys who served, from the elder brother and the men from work, he knew what service was, and had no illusions, I was not the first and not last. But the conversations "were going to be omitted" in general from the realm of fantasy. How can you imagine a sinking? In the barracks on a bunk? Or maybe in the officers' room? He served himself, a lot of friends served in different troops, starting with the construction battalion and ending with the navy, but no one had even heard of such things. When you communicate with people who were sitting, a word may slip through there, so to speak, “about the offended,” but that is a zone and there its own laws. The fact that he would be otmazyvatsya, it was clear from the very beginning, a considerable period of light and while it will shine. ....

...... A colleague who received two years looks a lot like his compatriot, and in the service I remember that they support their compatriots, do not press. It is also a mystery what happened between them.

[Alexander S.]

here some say that there is no hazing now. There is. I personally watched. A boy was brought to us from the battalion ... his legs were blue ... from feet to the very pelvis. Three of them were eventually sent to the disbat for a year. And for me it all depends only on the officers. Our company commander told us clearly - here only I have the right to touch you, not you. and those who did not understand, clearly explained, therefore in our unit there were not even slaps on the back of the head, and at the same time there was a statutory part. So here, for me, all the officers also need to be sent for 20 years with him, because there is no sense in such garbage, let them sit there in isolation.

[Unknown]

... Here's a colleague clearly does not roll on Schwarzenegger. He was given two years all the same, it seems that he is Shamsutdinov's countryman.

[lopvlad]

It is clarified that having used up the first magazine, he attached the second and continued firing, after which, having found the survivors, he fired additional shots.

Obviously, the state of passion does not pull. Therefore, the usual cold-blooded murder out of revenge.

Quote: Tatiana

According to the conscript soldier Shamsutdinov, he was preparing himself for the army, was not going to evade service, and in the future planned to link his life with the Armed Forces.

if he decided to connect his life with the army, then not on a rush to go but to enter the educational institutions of the Ministry of Defense. Although I think he would not have gone to a psychiatrist only in the army, all the sick and repulsed are still taken, if only the military commissar would fulfill the plan.