Greek press: Russian Su-57 could be a sad scenario for anyone who meets it in the air

The first serial fighter of the fifth generation, the Su-57, which entered service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, was transferred to the flight test center in Akhtubinsk at the end of November. There he will be used to test hypersonic aviation means of destruction.

The Tactical Missile Armament Corporation is developing hypersonic weapons for military aviation.

Commenting on this information, the Greek media resource Pentapostagma said that after equipping the fifth-generation multi-functional fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces with hypersonic Dagger missiles, they will become a real nightmare for the enemy. But even without hypersonic equipment, this combat vehicle has many advantages over foreign "analogues". The Greek press believes that the Russian Su-57 could become a sad scenario for anyone who meets it in the air.

One of the features of the new fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces is the combination of high maneuverability and the ability to fly at supersonic speed. It is a competitive fifth-generation aircraft that surpasses most of its foreign counterparts. And the appearance of the Su-57 "Daggers" in service will turn it into an even more formidable force, they write in the Greek press.

At the moment, only the MiG-31K, based in the Southern Military District, are equipped with air-to-surface Dagger hypersonic missiles. However, earlier such missiles were also tested on strategic missile carriers of the Russian Aerospace Forces. In addition, plans were announced to equip the "Daggers" of the Su-57 fighter. This kind of weapon is capable of turning it into a truly multipurpose means of combat aviation. Due to the fact that neither the F-35 nor the J-20 has a hypersonic weapons in the arsenal (including in the short term), the Russian Su-57 fighter will have an advantage in terms of versatility of weapons.

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[Temples]

can be a sad scenario for anyone who meets him in the air

But it's almost impossible to meet him in the air.
In about twelve years it may appear.

In addition, plans were announced to equip the "Daggers" of the Su-57 fighter.

Interesting to look at that scheduler. How is this genius going to cram something unproductive into the SU-57.

[Orange bigg]

after equipping multifunctional fighters of the fifth generation of the Russian Aerospace Forces with hypersonic Dagger missiles, they will become a real nightmare for the enemy.

At the expense of the Dagger, speculation. There was information about the development of hypersonic missiles to be placed inside the fuselage of the Su-57. The same can be said about the GZUR.KTRV, in my opinion, the GZUR is engaged, if I'm not mistaken.

[Alex777]

There was information about the development of hypersonic missiles for placement inside the fuselage of the Su-57.

This would be the most correct option.
Dagger - hypersound without fish. IMHO.
For the future, we need normal rockets.

[iouris]

"Dagger" is crammed everywhere. Apparently, they are made "like sausages."

[DrEng527]

Quote: Temples

In about twelve years it may appear.

in fact, there is a supply contract with clear terms. Do you have information that it will not be completed on time? Or just bile incontinence?

[Zaurbek]

How will the dagger be shoved into the Su57?

[KCA]

The Greek lured the Dagger with hypersonic air-to-air missiles

[Zaurbek]

The main trend on such aircraft is subsonic KR ... with a range of 1000 km.

[Temples]

Quote: Zaurbek

The main trend on such aircraft is subsonic KR ... with a range of 1000 km.

You are probably talking about an American plane.
Imperceptibly flew up, sent missiles at the enemy's air defense and dropped off to the base.
After the destruction of the enemy's air defense, the time comes for other weapons.

And with ours everything is different.

That's just how exactly no one says.

[lucul]

Imperceptibly flew up, sent missiles at the enemy's air defense and dropped off to the base.
After the destruction of the enemy's air defense, the time comes for other weapons.

And with ours everything is different.

Well, yes, it was so when the range of missiles was significantly lower than the range of anti-aircraft missiles. And now the flight range of air-to-surface missiles is twice the flight range of anti-aircraft missiles (1000 km versus 300 km), so the Su-57 stealth is not particularly needed)))

[K-612-O]

Only the detection range of air defense is noticeably more than 1000 km, and target designation, at least here, is issued to both the fighter and all the links of the air defense system

[hydrox]

He has a memory gap: the container has a detection range of 6 Kkm, it can also give an azimuth to an AWACS or a Resonance aircraft (what is their ranking there?), And the one with memory loss has already forgotten what he wanted to say with his joke about the stealthiness of the Su-57, which can patrol there with a gang of drones ...

[Zaurbek]

No. These weapons are F16 / 15, Raphael, F35 ... it turns the Su30 into Tu22 in terms of range

[lopvlad]

Quote: Temples

You are probably talking about an American plane.
I flew up unnoticed

The most inconspicuous American aircraft was the F-117, and that was successfully shot down by the air defense system of the 125 C-1976, so it can fly up unnoticed only where there is practically no air defense.

Quote: Temples

And with ours everything is different.

thanks to our over-maneuverability, there is a small but chance, and the American one without options will turn into a heap of wreckage.

[Guru]

The main trend on such aircraft is subsonic KR ... with a range of 1000 km.

Well, here is Zaur again! What is the trend? Tell me who has the Supersonic cruise missiles? And who has hypersonic missiles. So maybe this is not a trend at all, but a simple absence of anything other than subsonic.

[Zaurbek]

Tell me .... where is the use of oversound and GPU most justified? And where are they worse than CD?

[K-612-O]

Supersonic is BrahMos, and why, if hypersonic, then necessarily the Dagger? In KTRV, according to you, they are marking time. I know for sure that they are sawing a new anti-radar system, just under the internal compartments.

[hydrox]

Oh! This is already a weighty infa, thanks!

[lucul]

How will the dagger be shoved into the Su57?

Think external suspension is not provided by the design? )))

[Serg4545]

Quote: Zaurbek

How will the dagger be shoved into the Su57?

Why shove him?
External sling. Of course Drying will become more noticeable, but who will see it? After all, the Dagger can be launched from 2 thousand km. No radar can see Drying from such a distance.
In principle, you can get confused and make a special stealth container for the Dagger, which will be dropped a second before launch. And then the visibility of Drying with a Dagger on an external sling will not increase. But in my opinion these are unnecessary difficulties.

[Zaurbek]

Why then Su57?

[Serg4545]

Quote: Zaurbek

Why then Su57?

Because the Su57 is the latest platform for aircraft weapons. And the Dagger is the latest weapon. It is quite logical to combine.

[rocket757]

You will not check, you will not find out .... until EVERYTHING.

[Herman 4223]

Probably not just a dagger, but a new, more compact version of hypersonic weapons. In the same place, the dimensions are such that you can't fit into the compartment, and two under the wing to take it by weight, as I understand it, is unprofitable.

[Al_lexx]

I believe that the MiG-31 and Tu-22 are still better suited for such weapons as a fairly large "dagger". On the other hand, why not, if possible, and if it is easier and cheaper to launch an Iskander trim from an air carrier, which acts as the first accelerating stage.

[avg]

I agree. I will only add that both the MiG-31 and Tu-22 are already in the past, and the range and range of targets for the dagger quite allow the Su-57 to shoot back without entering the air defense zone and, possibly, perform other tasks. (People say they are already working on a much lighter dagger. )

[Guru]

avg (Alexander) I will support you Alexander, the ability to launch daggers from the SU-57 is not an obligation. This is how Russian (Russian) weapons are distinguished by UNIFICATION. Therefore, the designers lay the most impossible scenarios (constructive possibilities), leaving the military to choose for themselves what and how they need.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: avg

MiG-31 and Tu-22 are already the past

This is axiomatic. I just reasoned in the vein that it is unlikely that the "dagger" is planned as the main weapon for the Su-57. And the fact that in the near future there will be something less powerful, but also more compact from the category of hyper, also suggests itself. On the other hand, the Mi-24 was not planned as a bomber either, but in the Afghan gorges, in a number of cases, there was no replacement for it in this capacity.

As for the MiG-31 and Tu-22, in my opinion, the first is more interesting as an accelerating stage, since it can give the greatest initial impulse at the time of launch, of all existing combat aircraft, and the second is more suitable in terms of carrying capacity and the dimensions of the internal compartments. And I also think that the same Tu-22 will either be modernized for quite a long time, up to the resumption of large-scale production, or in the coming years they will develop a replacement for it, since it is the only one in this niche with us.

[Rusticolus]

IMHO. The MiG-31 is more of a sling. The weapon is effective, but essentially disposable. Accelerate to the maximum, and fire faster and further. Tu-22 is a slightly different class. Albeit not so effective, but works in volleys. We need both that and that. The tasks are different. And yes, I agree the same, the potential of the Tu-22 is far from being exhausted. With MiG it is more difficult, it was originally developed completely for such an application, and the fact that it came in handy even here speaks of the genius of its developers.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Rusticolus

IMHO. MiG-31 is more of a sling

So this is the whole point of the air-based "dagger", which is essentially the same "Iskander", but without the first acceleration stage. Its role is played by an air carrier. And the higher the release speed, the faster the missile will pick up the cruise missile and fly further (even when firing long-range air-to-air, this matters). Ie ... You seem to agree and at the same time, you seem to be trying to either refute something, or doubt it. Nevkuril, well, not the point.
The Tu-22 just won't be able to work, as you put it, in “salvos”, since even the trimmed Iskander is clearly larger than a “conventional” air-launched cruise missile, such as the Kh-55 or the like (comparable length, with approximately twice the diameter and weight). Yes, even the Kh-55 (the same "caliber", but airborne), though thin, but rather long sausage. The same Tu-95 takes "only" eight of them. And the Tu-22 has three X-22s (one in the hatch, two on the outside). Therefore, the queue will turn out to be short (no more than three, with two on the outside). But on the other hand, there is a chance to put one "dagger" (hardly two) in the bomb bay and thus have a margin of speed and range, which is good in both cases.
MiG, yes, it was originally a long-range high-altitude interceptor with a very large ceiling. But today it is the fastest and most high-altitude combat aircraft in the world, except for American intelligence officers who cannot carry any weapons, except perhaps electronic warfare. Therefore, the 31st, due to its speed and ceiling, can throw the "dagger" farthest. Here he has no competitors, from the word at all. I read that now the MiG Design Bureau is developing a new strategic interceptor to replace the 31st. An extremely interesting topic for the coming years ...

[Rusticolus]

In general, yes, I agree. Rather, he specified rather than refuted. The MiG has its own niche, little but better, the Tu has its own, more, but not as effective. But again, the amount of aircraft data and their specialization. It may turn out that one or the other, and so there are enough cases without daggers. This is especially true for Tu. At the expense of the PAKDP aka MiG-41, so far only rumors, not any specifics.

[Vadim_888]

... The Greek press believes that the Russian Su-57 could be a sad scenario for anyone who meets it in the air.

An anecdote in the subject.
Yugoslavia. Two crews of old MiG-25 are flying.
Patrolling.
Boring ...
One pilot to another:
- We bet, on a box of whiskey, I will take that crow with a rocket with a rocket.
- Well, I bet I don't think you will.

The pilot was surprised.
The co-pilot was surprised.
Even the crow was surprised.
But most of all, the pilot of the downed stealth plane was surprised


( I could not resist )

[kit88]

Is this the Greek brother of Yandex Zen or what?
The dagger is on board the Su-57.
Outperforms MOST foreign counterparts ...
What is the majority? There are only 3 of them, and then at a stretch.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: kit88

Is this the Greek brother of Yandex Zen or what?
The dagger is on board the Su-57.
Outperforms MOST foreign counterparts ...
What is the majority? There are only 3 of them, and then at a stretch.

To the point, a small publication clogging up YouTube with screams about peremog or zrady ...

[El Chuvachino]

It is ironic, considering that “Greek Yandex-Zen” obviously knows and understands this more than you and the rest of the indignant above

The Russian fifth-generation Su-57 combat aircraft will receive a hypersonic missile with characteristics similar to the Dagger complex.
- The relevant work has been included in the State Armaments Program for 2018-2027. The aircraft will receive a missile with the characteristics of a "Dagger", but smaller - so that it fits in the internal fuselage compartments, - a source in the aircraft industry told TASS.
06.12.2018

[K-612-O]

Well, the F-22, without a stretch, is a really good aircraft that has been brought to mind, only already becoming obsolete, at the level of modern Grippen and the Su-35

[voyaka uh]

The F-22 has very outdated electronics compared to the F-35 - that's right. Communication systems and integration with new weapons, mostly. But the F-22's radar is very powerful, plus stealth. It is unlikely that the aircraft listed by you will see it on the radar screens before their death.

[hydrox]

The F-22 radar is good, that's true, but the weapon's range is 120 km worse than that of the Su-57.
How else can we measure planes?

[voyaka uh]

You see, long-range explosive missiles have never been used.
in battle. There is a doubt that this is generally relevant in dynamic fighter combat.
It is possible to shoot down an AWACS aircraft flying on the course with such a missile.
Practical distances are 50-80 km. Medium-range explosive missiles.

[hydrox]

And I do not think that the concept of air combat can be applied to this pair: if an AWACS aircraft participates, this is victory 57, if Avax participates, then the result is unpredictable, but if the azimuth of the F-22 is randomly selected, it can also be reflected on the screen 57 - then who is the first will press Start: with a higher maneuverability and speed, the victory may again remain for 57, but it may end in a draw if 57 loses the 22nd, with good contact with Avax and the noticeable adventurism of the F-22 pilot, he may try (!) to catch up with 57 , but it is not obvious that he will succeed (he can get into the observation zone of the rear-view sensors - then the maneuverability of the 57th will play ...).

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: voyaka uh

You see, long-range explosive missiles have never been used.
in battle.

You are right, they were not used, but this does not mean that the missiles will not be effective. There was simply no case for the use of such missiles by the possessing side, so that they could justify or not justify themselves.

In addition, if the AWACS aircraft is destroyed, the F-22 will have to put its radars into active mode.

[Dread]

Quote: voyaka uh

But, plus stealth. It is unlikely that the aircraft listed by you will see it on the radar screens before their death.

Not only will they see, but also will shoot down the F-22 with air-to-air missiles R-37M with a range of 300 km and KS-172 with a range of 400 km ...
Far away from the radars - AN / APG-77 and AN / APG-81 to H035 Irbis. And even more so up to H036 "Belka" in terms of target detection range!
The F-22 will not even be able to detect the Su-35S and Su-57, as it will be shot down.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Unfortunately, until the mid-20s, the Su-57 will be supplied to the troops with 4th generation engines. Engines of the 5th generation will be put on machines only after testing. The improved engine will differ from the previous one in high efficiency, the ability to cruise at supersonic speed, low visibility in the range of radio waves and infrared radiation. (NATO codification Felon - "Outlaw"), According to Military Watch Magazine, the Su-57 has onboard weapons that are unique in their capabilities, including ultra-sensitive radars, hypersonic air-to-air missiles with a range of 400 km, and a laser defense system against enemy missiles.
No "daggers"

[El Chuvachino]

At school, you were probably a typical two-handed person, ready to write off any crap just like that, just to roll it up and hand it over!))

[A. Privalov]

Commenting on this information, the Greek media resource Pentapostagma said that after equipping the fifth-generation multi-functional fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces with hypersonic Dagger missiles, they will become a real nightmare for the enemy. But even without hypersonic equipment, this combat vehicle has many advantages over foreign "analogues". The Greek press believes that the Russian Su-57 could become a sad scenario for anyone who meets it in the air.

In fact, the Pentapostagma media resource did not say anything and the Greek press does not consider anything.
The source simply cites reports from the Russian media:

After the official "presentation" in the ranks of the Russian Air Force of the stealthy multipurpose Su-57 fighter, which finally satisfied Moscow's desire to strengthen the Air Force, high-ranking Russian officials announced the next step of "equipping" the fighter.

According to Russian media reports, the next goal they want to achieve with the stealthy Su-57 is the integration of the advanced supersonic Dagger missile, which presents a “nightmarish” scenario for anyone encountering a fifth-generation Russian fighter jet in the air.

In particular, according to TASS, the first "batch" of production Su-57 fighters will then be sent to the Akhtuba test center for use in test flights with the latest supersonic missile systems in its arsenal.

[Interlocutor]

In fact, the Pentapostagma media resource did not say anything and the Greek press does not consider anything.
The source simply cites reports from the Russian media:

Plus sign for you, Mr. Privalov. And the whole problem of this site is in such garbage articles collected from quotes. But the whole bullshit is that other sites suck. (moderator - respect, do not swear)

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Interlocutor

Plus sign for you, Mr. Privalov.

Thank you.
I have paid attention to this phenomenon not once or even twice.
But the editorial board should also be understood. They do this not out of malice, or out of misunderstanding. The focus of the site requires. It is necessary to please the soul of simple-minded readers with something. They should not be upset. Let them have fun.

[Interlocutor]

Let them have fun. hi

Don't tell Lexus the main thing. That's really who takes away the soul ...
There is no better tribune. With vodka.

[parkello]

there was an article on Pro News, I read ... here https://www.defencenet.gr/amyna/aeroporia/905986_rosia-pithanos-o-exoplismos-toy-mahitikoy-su-57-me-yperihitikoys-pyrayloys only there it was said that he can arm himself, but are not in service.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: lucul

How will the dagger be shoved into the Su57?

Think external suspension is not provided by the design? )))

The SU-57 will not have any dagger; a hyper air-to-air positioned in the fuselage, not on the suspension, is being developed for it. The Greek is simply not in the subject - that's all!

[Guru]

The SU-57 will not have any Dagger, a hyper air-to-air positioned in the fuselage, not on the suspension, is being developed for it.

Come on ! not really

The Su-57 fighter can receive missiles comparable in performance to the Kinzhal hypersonic missile, but with smaller dimensions. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the olfactory industrial complex.
https://tvzvezda-ru.turbopages.org/tvzvezda.ru/s/news/opk/content/201812061244-rmh5.htm

The Greek is simply not in the subject - that's all! hi Greek bought on the Russian field, and sells on the Greek.
And further :
In addition, the high speed of the carrier aircraft reduces the costs of the rocket itself for acceleration and improves its speed characteristics. Also, the press and experts are discussing the possibility that the "Dagger" will be placed on the latest fifth-generation fighters SU-57 (T-50, PAK FA), which were recently tested in Syria (and possibly are underway now). It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/troops/40668315/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

hyper air-to-air is being developed for it,

And the dagger is the air?

[parkello]

Oleg, they write anything, but they write civilians who know little about technology, but it is impossible to exclude the armament of the Su-57 with such missiles. On the outer pylon, he can easily take on board even a Dagger, even an ax. they laughed at me too when I said that the MiG-31 would make a good bomber. By the way, your officers were laughing ... they sent me to teach materiel and vied with each other that this could not be in nature. Mol 31 MiG fighter-interceptor, and after a while he flew to try the Daggers. Greeks from the ceiling would not write anything, take my word for it, I know Greeks, I have been living here for 30 years on permanent residence.

[sedoj]

Quote: Guru

And the dagger is the air?

A dagger is a hand-body. Interesting discussion. One dunce suggested, without any reason, and the breaking of the spears went. And why immediately "Dagger"? What if "Zircon"? And in general, why such confidence that information written in some foreign magazine is the ultimate truth? Nonsense. Sorry, not to you personally.

[Guru]

In addition, plans were announced to equip the "Daggers" of the Su-57 fighter.

And for such a statement they made me minus
In an article on VO:

The first serial Su-57 entered the Akhtubinsky GLITs
According to the source, the fighter will be used to test hypersonic aircraft weapons.
But this is already interesting! Is the "Dagger"

They got 3 minuses, but the opponent got 4 plus signs.

Vadim237 (Vadim)
25 December 2020 19: 53

+4
There is no new tactical missile with a scramjet engine from the Tactical Missile Armament Concern
Question one - SO WHERE IS the truth mother?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: El Chuvachino

At school, you were probably a typical two-handed person, ready to write off any crap just like that, just to roll it up and hand it over!))

This is the official information from the developers. Does a pseudo-liberal loser have a hemispheric gap?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Poor fellows .. So much to invent and all in vain.

PS Analysts are not experts. They are, man, gibberish from various unrelated fields of data knowledge. Pay attention to how experts they are both in technical characteristics and in the qualifications of directors and a bunch of other parameters at the same time.

[Gennady Fomkin]

https://www.air-cosmos.com/ вроде серьезное издание.

[Dkuznecov]

I wonder why the Greeks began to pour
some water to our mill?
So we are Hagia Sophia
Have you recaptured the damned from the Turkomans?

[Roller]

One of the features of the new fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces is the combination of high maneuverability and the ability to fly at supersonic speed.

And what is special? Learn materiel.
And the peculiarity is that it can fly at supersonic without afterburner !!!

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Until the mid-20s, the Su-57 will be supplied to the troops with 4th generation engines. Engines of the 5th generation will be installed on cars only after testing. The improved engine will differ from the previous one in high efficiency, the ability to cruise at supersonic speed

What is the 4th and 5th generation of engines?
First stage engines - AL-41F1 (item 117). This is an aviation turbojet by-pass engine with an afterburner and a controlled thrust vector, created by PJSC "ODK-UMPO" by order of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, it allows you to develop supersonic speed without the use of afterburnerand also has a fully digital control system and a plasma ignition system.

[Russian2020]

Radar and hyper sonic missiles make it unique, and all this is visibility, stealth, it's all bullshit, radars can be seen by everyone who has a more powerful radar and the first shot

[Roman 57 rus]

They heard the bells, but they don’t know where he is. EMNIP it will be RVV ... or SP ??

[Anachoret]

The article should sound something like this.
Would be a sad script if it existed in the series.

And so - it looks like the threat of impotent. "fuck if I could"