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On the calendar of the Ministry of Defense, the Orion UAV is shown with shock weapons

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On the calendar of the Ministry of Defense, the Orion UAV is shown with shock weapons

The Ministry of Defense on the eve of the New Year released calendar, dedicated to Russian military equipment, showing for the first time the Orion drone with shock weapons.


The Russian military department has released a calendar for the next year. The theme of the calendar is modern Russian military equipment. UAV "Orion" represents the month of May. The signature at the bottom reads: "Reconnaissance and strike UAV pacer."

The drone itself is presented in a shock version, with suspended KAB-20 adjustable aerial bombs designed for high-precision destruction of lightly armored vehicles. Ammunition mass - 21 kg, of which 7 fall on the warhead.

As previously reported, the following ammunition has already been created for Orion: aviation small-sized guided missile Kh-50, corrected small-sized aerial bomb KAB-20, guided gliding aerial bomb UPAB-50 with a warhead MLRS "Grad", corrected small-sized aerial bomb KAB-50 with a warhead MLRS "Grad", unguided aerial bomb FAB- 50 with a warhead MLRS "Grad".

The Orion long-duration reconnaissance and strike UAV was created by the Kronstadt company within the framework of the Inokhodets R&D project under a contract with the Ministry of Defense. The reconnaissance and strike drone has been tested in Syria. It is known that the UAV is capable of carrying up to 4 missiles.

The main feature of the new aircraft is the long duration of flights. The UAV is capable of staying in the air at maximum load for up to 24 hours. Flight altitude - 7,5 thousand meters. The maximum payload of the drone is 200 kg in the reconnaissance version, in the shock version it can reach 450 kg.
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  1. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 28 December 2020 08: 46
    +1
    There will be a video about the use of terrorists in Syria, then yes And so while be afraid of the enemies of the calendar from the UAV)
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 28 December 2020 09: 12
      +4
      I thought about that too. This will be the best advertisement. Moreover, Orions with Syrian identification marks.
      1. venik
        venik 28 December 2020 12: 17
        +5
        Quote: Zaurbek
        I thought about that too. This will be the best advertisement.

        ======
        In a reconnaissance version, it was tested in Syria as early as 2018. And according to some reports, in the spring and summer of this year, they also tested shock version! True, the Ministry of Defense is in no hurry with official statements on this topic ... Perhaps the car is being finalized ... request
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 28 December 2020 12: 28
          0
          At the army in 2020, weapons were shown ... but advertising is the engine of progress. We must show combat use.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 17: 33
            -1
            but the point is to show now? earlier than in 3-5 years, such UAVs will definitely not be exported ... So first there will be exercises, then video
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 28 December 2020 17: 50
              -1
              To the population ... to opponents ...
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 18: 45
                0
                the population will see on the Zvezda TV channel from the exercises, and from the tests, especially the factory ones, they never showed them, and they showed the GOSs insofar as ... to the opponents ... well, it's not even serious, the militants don't watch TV, but shock UAVs for any army with Air defense is not such a terrible enemy ... here are kamikaze drones ... yes, they can become a problem
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 28 December 2020 10: 16
      -15%
      Paper can stand it.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 28 December 2020 12: 36
        +8
        On the eve of the New Year, the Ministry of Defense released a calendar dedicated to Russian military equipment, showing for the first time the Orion drone with strike weapons.


        Perhaps someone will be interested in other pages of this calendar ("Orion-Pacing", this is a page for May 2021)









    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 28 December 2020 12: 43
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
      There will be a video about the use of terrorists in Syria, then yes And so while be afraid of the enemies of the calendar from the UAV)


      Are you not satisfied with the messages from the Ministry of Defense that the "Orion" in the shock version was tested in Syria?

      Thomas's assurance

      After eight days, His disciples were again in the house, and Thomas with them.
      Jesus came when the doors were closed, stood in their midst and said: Peace be with you!
      Then he says to Thomas:
      put your finger here and see my hands; give your hand and put it in my ribs; and don't be an unbeliever, but a believer.
  2. faiver
    faiver 28 December 2020 08: 50
    +22
    Pgastite, but on the calendar it can be at least with a main battery turret with Yamato ...
    1. Bradley
      Bradley 28 December 2020 10: 33
      +2
      Pgastite, but on the calendar it can be at least with a main battery turret with Yamato ...

      I would look at such a UAV.) A video of how he pours high-explosive shells on barmaley from above would be especially interesting.)
  3. Runoway
    Runoway 28 December 2020 08: 52
    +8
    The calendar will not lie !!! laughing
    Since now we can talk about it openly, tell me what kind of special operation these brave guys performed?
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 28 December 2020 08: 53
      +2
      Quote: Runoway
      The calendar will not lie !!!

      Cartoons did not lie)
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 28 December 2020 09: 02
        +9
        Cartoons don't lie.

      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 December 2020 12: 47
        +1
        Quote: Lesovik
        Cartoons did not lie)

        I advise the uryakals to read this article and it's not a fig or cartoons.
        https://topwar.ru/163250-kitajskie-udarno-razvedyvatelnye-bpla-i-ih-boevoe-primenenie.html
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 28 December 2020 13: 01
          +3
          Quote: Stroporez
          I advise the uryakals to read this article and it's not a fig or cartoons.
          https://topwar.ru/163250-kitajskie-udarno-razvedyvatelnye-bpla-i-ih-boevoe-primenenie.html

          Well, the main thing is not to forget to mention the "uryaklov". And then suddenly someone does not understand that a non-prodigal "all-ask ... finger-worker" writes ...
          What does your link have to do with my comment? Does she somehow refute him? Or complements? Or do you just want to squeeze in a comment? Then why about China, and not a more recent example of the use of Turkish-made drones?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 28 December 2020 13: 09
            +1
            Quote: Lesovik
            Then why about China, and not a more recent example of the use of Turkish-made drones?

            But because, a Turkish drone is a kid's party in comparison with what China produces both in terms of nomenclature and quantity.
            And this at a time when you are madly happy with cartoons and calendars.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 28 December 2020 13: 23
              0
              Quote: Stroporez
              a Turkish drone is a kid's party compared to what China produces

              Well, everything is on guard, everything is gone. Produce and let him produce. One can envy. If you wish.
              Quote: Stroporez
              And this at a time when you are madly happy with cartoons and calendars.

              Is that why you observe mourning events? It's hard for you, however ...
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 28 December 2020 13: 54
                +1
                Quote: Lesovik
                Is that why you observe mourning events? It's hard for you, however ...

                Unreasonable joy raises doubts about mental health. hi
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 28 December 2020 13: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Unreasonable joy raises doubts

                  This sadness you have for no reason, and a good mood from a good "cartoon or calendar" is normal)
        2. venik
          venik 28 December 2020 14: 24
          +2
          Quote: Stroporez
          I advise the uryakals to read this article and it's not a fig or cartoons.
          https://topwar.ru/163250-kitajskie-udarno-razvedyvatelnye-bpla-i-ih-boevoe-primenenie.html

          =========
          I do not understand ..... WHAT does the "gift of God" have to do with fried eggs? Linnik's article (if I'm not mistaken) was talking about Chinese programs and achievements in the development of UAVs? Well, I'm happy for them! THEM is actively developing this topic ... By the way, not only they - there is also Israel, Turkey, Iran, etc. .....
          But WHY is "Orion" here ??? request In the comments to THIS article, it seems that he is being discussed ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 28 December 2020 15: 47
            +1
            Quote: venik
            But WHY is "Orion" here ??? In the comments to THIS article, it seems that he is being discussed ...

            Well, to be completely accurate, the article discusses the calendars that the Ministry of Defense produces, instead of releasing UAVs, as China does without unnecessary fanfare.
            In this case, do you understand the comment?
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 08: 55
      -18%
      Quote: Runoway
      Since now we can talk about it openly, tell me what kind of special operation these brave guys performed?

      Have you done it? The country is sold, wholesale and retail.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 28 December 2020 09: 00
        +3
        What kind of sadness are you? Didn't get a place at the trough? ))
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 02
          -16%
          Quote: Canecat
          What kind of sadness are you? Didn't get a place at the trough? ))

          Do you like the fact that the country's assets are being sold to "partners" from the NATO bloc? Or is it your kind of putriatism?
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 28 December 2020 09: 12
            +13
            Do you like the fact that the country's assets are being sold to "partners" from the NATO bloc? Or is it your kind of putriatism?


            Under Putin, the country's assets were returned to the state's ownership as an example - Rosneft (formerly Yukos), TNK-BP (bought out for Rosneft shares from Britain), Bashneft, more than 50% in the Sakhalin-Energy project, shares in Aeroflot.

            Where and what have you sold? Talk troll.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 26
              -10%
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Under Putin, the country's assets were returned to the state's ownership as an example - Rosneft (formerly Yukos), TNK-BP (bought out for Rosneft shares from Britain), Bashneft, more than 50% in the Sakhalin-Energy project, shares in Aeroflot.

              Firstly, you are confusing a joint stock company (with friends in shareholders) and state property. Secondly, do not remind me at whom AvtoVAZ was sold, for example? The list can be long. For example, here is a list of the largest retail chains in Russia:
              1. Auchan (France),
              2. "OK" (Luxembourg),
              3. Pyaterochka (Netherlands),
              4. “Crossroads” (Netherlands),
              5. Carousel (Netherlands),
              6. "MetroCash & Carry" (Germany),
              7. The Tape (British Virgin Islands),
              8. Globus (Cyprus),
              9. “Bill” (Austria),
              10. “Zelgros” (Germany),
              11. "Leroy Merlin" (France),
              12. “Magnet” (Cyprus offshore Lavreno Ltd.),
              13. “Kopeyka” (Netherlands),
              14. “We” (Netherlands),
              15. “Mercado supercenter” (Netherlands),
              16. "Basket" (Netherlands ",
              17. Paterson (Netherlands),
              18. “People's” (Netherlands),
              19. “Simbirka” (Netherlands),
              20. “Food” (Netherlands),
              21. “Fair” (Netherlands),
              22. “Three” (Netherlands),
              23. “Family” (Netherlands),
              24. “Thrifty family” (Netherlands),
              25. “World of products” (Netherlands),
              26. "A5" (Netherlands),
              27. "Spar" (Netherlands),
              28. “Supermarket” (Netherlands),
              29. "Tamerlane" (Netherlands),
              30. "Buying" (Netherlands).
              How about food security? Has it all been sold under Yeltsin?
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Where and what have you sold? Talk troll.

              D.N. Puchkova is an apt expression "stupid young man", literally on the site it cannot be given, but I think you can guess.
              1. Stepan S
                Stepan S 28 December 2020 09: 33
                +19
                Trading networks that have TAM registration and food safety are two big differences. Don't you think so?
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 35
                  -15%
                  Quote: Stepan S
                  Trading networks that have TAM registration and food safety are two big differences

                  Justify.
                  Quote: Stepan S
                  Don't you think so?

                  It does not seem.
                  1. Stepan S
                    Stepan S 28 December 2020 09: 36
                    +15
                    A capacious answer. Maybe the production of all products in the Netherlands is organized? In your opinion, this is how it turns out. And what does the UAV and the Netherlands have to do with it?
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 49
                      -11%
                      Quote: Stepan S
                      A capacious answer. Maybe the production of all products in the Netherlands is organized?

                      Let's divide into two answers. Remember what is happening now with the construction of the Nord Stream. Are there many people willing to lay the pipe?
                      As for the production of products. The percentage of seeds of domestic selection is less than 30%, the maternal generation of broiler chickens "domestic" crosses are imported with eggs from abroad, and this list is almost endless.
              2. K-612-O
                K-612-O 28 December 2020 09: 41
                +15
                How does retail relate to the real sector of the economy, apart from providing a platform? Or is the store an industrial giant? And nobody sold it, the companies went in and built networks, the same Galitsky sold the chain of stores and logistics, and kept the production for himself.
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 28 December 2020 09: 48
                  +9
                  The Netherlands is an offshore company, which is coming to an end ... most of the list will be re-registered as soon as an end is made with this offshore ...
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 54
                    -4
                    Quote: Nasr
                    The Netherlands is an offshore company, which is coming to an end ... most of the list will be re-registered as soon as an end is made with this offshore ...

                    Am I against? I'm just behind both hands! The only question is, when will the end point for all these offshore companies be put? Desirable with landings and return of "taken out to offshore".
                    1. Nasrat
                      Nasrat 28 December 2020 10: 00
                      +11
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Desirable with landings and return of "taken out to offshore".

                      You, uncle, are not fuming ... Offshores were born during the Soviet era and it is not so easy to put an end to them .. The first Soviet offshore company was Cyprus, with which an agreement was subsequently signed on the avoidance of double taxation. Then the islands of Jersey and Maine joined him (the USSR valued classical English law!). A representative office of a Soviet bank was opened in Beirut, the capital of Lebanon, which was considered to be the white-eastern Switzerland.
                      Now they are trying to rectify the situation ... time has changed and Russia has changed, but the offshore agreement has remained the same ...
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 10: 02
                        -13%
                        Quote: Nasr
                        Offshores originated during the Soviet era .....

                        Let's not confuse the Gorbachev-Yeltsin regime with the USSR.
                      2. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 28 December 2020 10: 27
                        +4
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Quote: Nasr
                        Offshores originated during the Soviet era .....

                        Let's not confuse the Gorbachev-Yeltsin regime with the USSR.

                        And I don’t confuse ... International trade was carried on in the days of the USSR ...
                      3. Temples
                        Temples 28 December 2020 10: 31
                        -5
                        Quote: Nasr
                        You, uncle, do not boil ... Offshores were born during the Soviet era

                        You also do not boil.
                        It is important to understand that offshore is a scheme for withdrawing profits from a country.

                        Sssssut in our ears about taxes, but much more important is profit and the ability to use this very money inside the country.

                        Thirty years cannot create conditions for owning their own money in the country.
                        Nothing has changed since the days of socialism.

                        Profit is the money that can be investments, and then jobs and everything that comes with it.

                        But someone furiously interferes with the circulation of capital within the country.

                        Who could it be? winked
                    2. Servisinzhener
                      Servisinzhener 28 December 2020 10: 34
                      +2
                      Hmm ... They were born during the existence of the USSR, but the USSR did not create them.
                    3. Nasrat
                      Nasrat 28 December 2020 10: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Servisinzhener
                      ... but the USSR did not create them.

                      Cooperation was initiated by the agreements on avoidance of double taxation between Moscow and Nicosia in 1982.
                  2. K-612-O
                    K-612-O 28 December 2020 11: 53
                    +3
                    With Cyprus, just everything, covered, work is underway on Virginsky and Luxemburg
            2. Petro_tut
              Petro_tut 28 December 2020 10: 01
              -3
              How does retail relate to the real sector of the economy, apart from providing a platform?

              Retail is an intermediary between the manufacturer and the buyer who takes the lion's share of the profit from the goods produced, if the retail is local, then the local population becomes richer, if the retail is foreign, then the country is ruined hi
              1. Cron
                Cron 28 December 2020 12: 25
                +1
                Quote: Petro_tut
                How does retail relate to the real sector of the economy, apart from providing a platform?

                Retail is an intermediary between the manufacturer and the buyer who takes the lion's share of the profit from the goods produced, if the retail is local, then the local population becomes richer, if the retail is foreign, then the country is ruined hi

                Such fierce delirium. In your retail, is it some kind of gangster? Who comes to a foreign country and says that now he is taking the lion's share of the profit? This is just a foreign company that plays according to the rules that are established in the country where they operate. Pay taxes, comply with laws, etc.
                Quote: Petro_tut
                if retail is local, then the local population gets richer

                Why would it suddenly? And if the owner does not care about the locals and he drags all the assets abroad? What will you get from this?
              2. lucul
                lucul 28 December 2020 12: 41
                -1
                Retail is an intermediary between the manufacturer and the buyer who takes the lion's share of the profit from the goods produced, if the retail is local, then the local population becomes richer, if the retail is foreign, then the country is ruined

                Retail is, in its own words, just outbid)))) And from the retail, first of all, the country that produces the products does not receive)))
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 28 December 2020 10: 30
            +2
            And they do something! For shipbuilding alone, thank you very much for lifting me from the grave.
          3. Guards turn
            Guards turn 28 December 2020 10: 39
            +7
            Rostec plans to write off 10 billion rubles of Avtovaz's debt.
            The cancellation of Avtovaz's debts is due to the transfer of Alliance Rostec Auto BV to the Russian jurisdiction.
            gazeta.ru/business/news/...
          4. URAL72
            URAL72 28 December 2020 11: 18
            +7
            You are what Puchkov has. Or don't you know that half of your list is Russian networks registered in offshores. It is necessary to fight the export of capital, but so that this capital does not run away at all. In the West, business is a sacred cow, and since we have plunged into capitalism, let's do without bloody revolutions. By the way, AvtoVAZ is a state-owned company owned by Rostec. Also, Putin returned Gazprom, Rostvertol, Kurganmashzavod, Perm Motors and much more that is now OSK, UEC, UAC, Roskosmos, Rosatom, Rostec, etc. In addition, all this was collected in a corporation, otherwise we will not see rearmament. I hate stupid, greedy, small people who are too lazy to read, analyze, think, but just let them poke around the corner.
            As for retail chains, in the Donbass, already during the war, the ATB chain instantly turned into 1 republican supermarket, cheaper than on the market, the shelves are breaking. Food safety, this is not a store, this is a production, remember, bulk. And now it’s just great, on the rise, exports have been growing for every year, and we have enough.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 11: 51
              +1
              Quote: URAL72
              Or don't you know that half of your list is Russian networks registered in offshores.

              If a company has a foreign jurisdiction, accordingly pays taxes to a foreign state, is subject to foreign laws, does it continue to be a Russian company?
              Quote: URAL72
              It is necessary to fight the export of capital, but so that this capital does not run away at all.

              We have been fighting for thirty years, are you satisfied with the results?
              Quote: URAL72
              AvtoVAZ is a state-owned company owned by Rostec.

              In January 2019, Alliance Rostec Auto BV, a joint venture between the Renault-Nissan alliance (68%) and the state corporation Rostec (32%), increased its stake in AvtoVAZ to 100% and became the sole shareholder of the automaker. So don't lie.
              Quote: URAL72
              Also, Putin returned Gazprom, Rostvertol, Kurganmashzavod, Perm Motors and much more that is now OSK, UEC, UAC, Roscosmos, Rosatom, Rostec, etc. In addition, all this was collected in a corporation

              Who owns these corporations? And already learn to distinguish state enterprises from corporations.
              Quote: URAL72
              I hate stupid, greedy, small people who are too lazy to read, analyze, think, but just let them poke around the corner.

              I hate stupid, greedy, small people who are too lazy to read, analyze, think, but just let the power lick the holes.
              Quote: URAL72
              Food safety, this is not a store, this is a production, remember, bulk. And with that, it’s just fine now, on the rise, exports have been growing every year, and we have enough.

              I answered above.
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              As for the production of products. The percentage of seeds of domestic selection is less than 30%, the maternal generation of broiler chickens "domestic" crosses are imported with eggs from abroad, and this list is almost endless.

              What exports are growing? Export of "feed" wheat? Because we don't have our own dairy farming. There is no one to feed. Under the USSR there were about 50 million heads of dairy cattle, today about 8. As in 1942.
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 28 December 2020 12: 23
                +1
                What taxes are you talking about? Land tax? Pension Fund? VAT? Maybe salaries, logistics, infrastructure go abroad? Even the withdrawal of capital is taxed. The double taxation law with Cyprus was recently abolished and is now taxed. It's about the fight against offshore companies. AvtoVAZ was under the control of Rostec, but as a joint-stock company, he considered it an unnecessary asset. Let me remind you: Skoda, Seat, Jaguar, Bentley, Opel, etc., were sold to foreign companies. So what? If you want, you can buy back shares, it's not difficult.
                Let the export of even straw grow, the main thing is that the profit of both the manufacturer and the budget and transport companies, ports, and in foreign currency, grows. As for the quality, why didn't Putin please you? It is up to private traders what to sow and where to get it. The number of heads, dictates the market, do not equal 296 million from the current 145, even in 1942 there were more, as well as the territory suitable for agriculture.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 12: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: URAL72
                  What taxes are you talking about?

                  At least about income tax.
                  Quote: URAL72
                  Even the withdrawal of capital is taxed.

                  How?
                  Quote: URAL72
                  AvtoVAZ was under the control of Rostec, but as a joint-stock company, he considered it an unnecessary asset.

                  You lied, and now you are "excuse yourself"?
                  Quote: URAL72
                  Let me remind you: Skoda, Seat, Jaguar, Bentley, Opel, etc., were sold to foreign companies. So what?

                  Is this a good practice in your opinion? How many of its industry-forming enterprises have China sold, for example?
                  Quote: URAL72
                  Let the export of even straw grow, the main thing is that the profit of both the manufacturer and the budget and transport companies, ports, and in foreign currency, grows.

                  Let it grow, but not at the expense of killing domestic dairy farming.
                  Quote: URAL72
                  As for the quality, why didn't Putin please you? It is up to private traders what to sow and where to get it.

                  This is a matter of the state, it takes care of the health of its citizens. Or do you think palm oil used instead of milk fat is good for your health?
                  Quote: URAL72
                  The number of heads, dictates the market, do not equal 296 million from the current 145, even in 1942 there were more, as well as the territory suitable for agriculture.

                  Do you like how "the market rules everything" here? By the way, those data on the RSFSR, and not on the USSR, as far as I remember, is lazy to double-check.
                  1. URAL72
                    URAL72 28 December 2020 12: 55
                    0
                    For thought




                    18 million heads instead of 8. Lied?
                    A year ago, only the lazy didn't write about oil. I dug it. Doesn't scare me. Moreover, Russia is not the largest buyer, and much is re-exported.
                  2. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 13: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: URAL72
                    18 million heads instead of 8. Lied?

                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Under the USSR there were about 50 million heads of dairy cattle, today there are about 8. As in 1942.

                    Dairy cattle, I wrote. And, of course, you also counted the CMEA countries in the share of imports of the USSR, despite the fact that there was industrial cooperation with them and it was impossible to count it as an import in the full sense of the word? Read about Icarus, for example. Or will you count Vietnamese brooms and rice vodka as imports?
                  3. URAL72
                    URAL72 28 December 2020 13: 15
                    0
                    A goat is also a dairy cattle. According to the CMEA, Russia in 1991, for some reason, was left to everyone, Hungary, for example, supplied HUNDREDS of tanks and armored personnel carriers in payment. How is your cooperation different from globalization? If we buy Boeings with Russian titanium, is it not import but cooperation? Have you looked at the graphics for offshore companies? Has China been noticed? Multiply the percentage by GDP, present the numbers. Offshore allows, for example, to enter the market where it cannot legally get through, for political reasons, etc.
                  4. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 13: 43
                    -2
                    Quote: URAL72
                    A goat is also a dairy cattle.

                    Goat, not cattle, goat - small cattle.
                    Quote: URAL72
                    According to the CMEA, Russia in 1991, for some reason, was left to everyone, Hungary, for example, supplied HUNDREDS of tanks and armored personnel carriers in payment. How is your cooperation different from globalization?

                    Deriban USSR Yeltsin with the company and here?
                    The fact that the USSR, like the countries of the social camp, were socially oriented states. Despite all the disadvantages of the USSR, the average static resident of the countries of the social camp received much more benefits from their states than now.
                    Quote: URAL72
                    If we buy Boeings with Russian titanium, is it not import but cooperation?

                    Don't you consider ownership issues?
                    Quote: URAL72
                    Have you looked at the graphics for offshore companies? Has China been noticed? Multiply the percentage by GDP, present the numbers. Offshore allows, for example, to enter the market where it cannot legally get through, for political reasons, etc.

                    An offshore, first of all, is the withdrawal of capital from the country. Instead of developing our own production.
                  5. URAL72
                    URAL72 28 December 2020 13: 56
                    +1
                    I can, I have to agree with the predatory privatization, only in one case - the creation of powerful national trans-corporations. The farmer will never be able to compete in the foreign market. The domestic market is very small. Now we have abroad quite a few enterprises, including state-owned ones - Rosneft, Gazprom, etc. Mainly raw materials extraction, but there is something else - construction, energy, banks, cellular communications, gas stations, trade, etc. This is not counting the CIS.
                  6. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 14: 14
                    0
                    Quote: URAL72
                    creation of powerful national trans-corporations

                    You see, what's the matter, there are no, and cannot be, national trans-corporations in a capitalist society. They are always transnational, you can easily check this. The process of the seizure of Russia by transnational corporations has not stopped for a minute since the days of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. He walked either faster or slower, but he had one vector. The only question today is that the "domestic" oligarchs are not given the market share they claim.
                    Quote: URAL72
                    The farmer will never be able to compete in the foreign market.

                    He does not need it, he has a different niche. The domestic market is not small at all, there is no high purchasing power for it. Farm products are of higher quality than "products from Magnet", but somewhat more expensive.
                    Quote: URAL72
                    Now we have quite a few enterprises abroad, including state-owned, ......-

                    Do not confuse state enterprises and joint stock companies. There is a huge difference between them, primarily in matters of ownership and, accordingly, in the distribution of profits.
                  7. URAL72
                    URAL72 28 December 2020 14: 31
                    +1
                    A transnational corporation may well be "national" - it is enough to have enterprises in other countries. The joint-stock company may be state property - even under Gorbat they switched to self-financing. I do not understand your denial of the simplest truths. It's just that part of the shares is in circulation, it is easier to sell part of the package than to take out a loan, moreover, the shares can be redeemed, especially if they have fallen in price.
                  8. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 14: 46
                    0
                    Quote: URAL72
                    A transnational corporation may well be "national" - it is enough to have enterprises in other countries.

                    You again forget about the owners of the corporation. Deripaska or Abramovich are Russian entrepreneurs? Where are their assets? What you wrote would be true if the state were the owner and ultimate beneficiary.
                    Quote: URAL72
                    Joint stock company, may be state property ...

                    There can be only one case, if all the profits go to the state. But then the meaning of a joint-stock company is lost and this is a state enterprise.
                    Quote: URAL72
                    I do not understand your denial of the simplest truths.

                    I haven't seen any truths yet. Strictly speaking, our dialogue has only now acquired, at least to some extent, a constructive character.
                    Quote: URAL72
                    It's just that part of the shares is in circulation, it is easier to sell part of the stake than to take out a loan ...

                    Selling profitable assets is not a smart decision.
                  9. URAL72
                    URAL72 28 December 2020 15: 06
                    +1
                    If there is a controlling stake, it is already property. Even a block package, -25 + 1 share, will no longer allow funds to be directed without the consent of the state. At the final exams of the law faculty, I just got a ticket for the types and forms of JSC. 10% - member of the board of directors. There is also a "golden share".


                    it's about cows ...
                  10. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 15: 11
                    -1
                    Quote: URAL72
                    If there is a controlling stake, already property ...

                    The dispute is about what? If you want to argue, let's designate the subject of the dispute, otherwise we do not get it.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2020 18: 44
      0
      For the most part, Soviet exports were barter - and only 40 countries, mostly capitalist countries, paid us with money.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 12: 39
    +1
    Quote: URAL72
    Opel, etc., were sold to foreign companies. So what? If you want, you can buy back shares, it's not difficult.

    Remind me how Sberbank tried to buy Opel? Zero was shown.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 28 December 2020 14: 02
      +1
      Read above. Politics. I remember how we were refused to buy 5% EADS. And through an offshore company, maybe they would. But there are no fools there either. It's Complicated.
  • lucul
    lucul 28 December 2020 12: 45
    +1
    We have been fighting for thirty years, are you satisfied with the results?

    Remind the "saints of the 90s" when they borrowed $ 4,5 billion every six months to pay pensions and salaries to state employees?
    So the results are good.
    So do not lie.

    So don't lie in Hebrew)))
  • d1975
    d1975 28 December 2020 14: 35
    -3
    You stop poisoning fairy tales, which state ones? Why then do the workers get pennies, and the bureaucrats lemons? Russia is a social state, it sounds like that in the constitution! That is why such a high rating of Stalin! A measure is needed in everything!
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 28 December 2020 15: 23
      +1
      You are a strange person! Do you know the minimum wage? So why the question? Competitiveness, purchasing power, Russian Railways tariffs and other overhead costs? Hence the salary. Many businesses are still paying off debts to banks since the hungry 90s. And the constitution, yeah! ...
      1. d1975
        d1975 28 December 2020 22: 23
        -1
        Strange, it's when people get different money for one piece of work on a piece of hardware. How's that? There is only one branch, only we have something wrong. and sculpt minuses at least a hundred !!! Are you tired of lying? And lastly, do you have anything against the constitution? Your guarantor is not a decree?
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 28 December 2020 22: 54
          +1
          I'm not a fan of sculpting cons. The Constitution is a set of your rights, which, however, no one guarantees you. For example, you have the right to work, and what and where to look for it are your [our] problems. I have a law school, really. I know what I'm talking about. You have a right to security, but it cannot be guaranteed. On the salary ... I do not appoint it, I myself am at the rate. But the branch goes to different regions, and everywhere a different standard of living, as well as payment. I am not a deputy, I am a scout of the NM DNR, why did you attack me? I am sure that even with combat, I earn less than you. But I'm not complaining. I am a volunteer and came to fight and not earn money. I'm sure you volunteered for your job too. Both me and millions of Russians work in foreign lands, rent housing. The constitution does not prohibit you either.
          And yes, my guarantor is not a decree.
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 28 December 2020 11: 36
    +3
    You, too, can buy shares of the same Magnit Rosneft Gazprom and become a friend of Putin, they are in free circulation. What is the problem? A Gazprom share costs 200 rubles, Rosneft 480 rubles, well, a magnet yes ... as much as 5000 rubles, this is only for a select narrow circle of Putin's friends laughing
  • Cron
    Cron 28 December 2020 12: 04
    0
    For example, here is a list of the largest retail chains in Russia:

    What exactly did Putin sell out of this? Soviet Auchan may have sold? Maybe all these companies have very specific owners? Who founded these companies themselves and dumped them offshore? Want to take it all away? Really? What are the reasons for this? And how are you going to do it? Ashan is generally the world's largest retail chain, moreover, the French one, they are even in China. They pay taxes, do not break laws. What do you want to do with them?
    In our country, there should be only grocery stores or what?
    Are these companies and capital doing something to return to Russia? Yes, I tell you. In Kaliningrad, they even created an offshore company for this. Shareholders of the same Lenta recently voted to register in Kaliningrad. It seems like they are now going to allow companies from any country to register. This is a very laborious process, any abrupt actions will only cause an even greater outflow of capital, this will scare away those who were going to return.
    You understand, they sell the country in bulk. You, in my opinion, do not quite understand what you are trying to reason about
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 12: 51
      +1
      Quote: Cron
      In Kaliningrad, they even created an offshore company for this.

      And what will the budget get from this? As far as I know, there is zero percent of taxes on the company's income.
      1. Cron
        Cron 28 December 2020 13: 08
        -1
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Cron
        In Kaliningrad, they even created an offshore company for this.

        And what will the budget get from this? As far as I know, there is zero percent of taxes on the company's income.

        Do you know for sure, or just how much you heard something somewhere? If we go according to rumors, then I also read some information at one time that a company that is registered there must invest the n-th amount in Russia. They were also offered low tax rates. I don't remember about zero. The main goal, as I understand it, is precisely to return these companies to Russia, well, this is for a start. To reasonably argue on this issue, you need to rummage much more information
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 13: 36
          +1
          Quote: Cron
          Do you know for sure, or just to what extent you have heard some rumors somewhere?

          In March 2020, President Vladimir Putin announced plans to raise the tax rate on dividends withdrawn to foreign offshore companies to 15%. The Ministry of Finance said that the amended rules will come into force on January 1, 2021, but made a reservation that the new rates will not affect public companies. It was a whip. A few months later, a “carrot” appeared in the form of a government order and a draft law from the Ministry of Finance on the introduction of a 5% rate for non-public companies in Russian offshores.

          ... Previously, the owners of Russian companies transferred profits abroad at a rate of 5%. For example, a Russian plant transferred money to a Cypriot offshore, paid 5%, and the owner of a business abroad received the remaining 95% of dividends. If dividends were paid directly to a foreign company, then the tax rate was 15%.

          ... Formally, the company must invest 50 million rubles, but they can be spent anywhere and on almost anything. The law does not prescribe the so-called tax substitution - conditions that a resident must comply with, for example, on the minimum number of employees or services purchased from local companies. There is no fixed fee for presence in the legislation, previously mentioned by Kaliningrad officials.

          https://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/economy/23902724-ubezhishche-dlya-blizkikh-k-kremlyu-kak-ustroen-kaliningradskiy-ofshor.html
          1. Cron
            Cron 28 December 2020 14: 03
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            https://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/economy/23902724-ubezhishche-dlya-blizkikh-k-kremlyu-kak-ustroen-kaliningradskiy-ofshor.html

            Well? It turns out I was right, you just wrote without knowing the exact information? And having access to the Internet just copied and pasted it here?
            And what will the budget get from this? As far as I know, there is zero percent of taxes on the company's income.

            Well, where is there about zero? Where is your exact knowledge that the budget will get nothing? Your text says about 5% for dividends.
            And the last paragraph is just the author's opinion on this issue. Maybe he is right, but you haven't checked it, so again this is not accurate information.
            There is no statutory fee for attendance

            Do you understand that this is not about taxes at all? For example, with some brokers you only pay income tax and commission for transactions. And some still have the same fixed fee, just because you have an account there.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 14: 13
            +1
            Quote: Cron
            Your text says about 5% for dividends.

            So it was 5% before when transferring to offshore. What has changed then?
            Quote: Cron
            It turns out I was right, you just wrote without knowing the exact information?

            I had a different infa. From the AIF.
            ... The bill provides for innovations that do not exist in the Russian Federation, first of all: a special tax regime. Zero percent - on income received by international holding companies (MHCs) from dividends.
          3. Cron
            Cron 28 December 2020 14: 36
            -1
            So it was 5% before when transferring to offshore. What has changed then?

            Well, the most important thing has changed, that now this capital is moving to Russia. And if earlier he worked for other countries, now he will work for ours. And no stranger uncle can warm it to his hands. The same Rusal moved to Kaliningrad, after an epic with a run over by a cowboy, who trivially engaged in squeezing out the business
          4. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 14: 44
            0
            Quote: Cron
            The same Rusal moved to Kaliningrad, after an epic with a run over by a cowboy, who trivially engaged in squeezing out the business

            Those. we must thank the Americans.
          5. Cron
            Cron 28 December 2020 15: 14
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Those. we must thank the Americans.

            Yes, they do a lot in this regard. A nightmare of sanctions, disclosing private information, etc. The main thing now in our country is to create favorable conditions and show that it is safe here. Taking away and shooting everyone is of course interesting, but nothing but an even greater outflow and a decrease in capital inflow will not cause
          6. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 15: 23
            +1
            Quote: Cron
            Yes, they do a lot in this regard.

            And with our minds something does not work out for us. It seems that only then will the economy be taken seriously when the Iron Curtain is built around us. Enemies.
          7. Cron
            Cron 28 December 2020 15: 33
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And with our minds something does not work out for us.

            I think they only hastened this process. To begin with, it was necessary to ensure a stable economic and political situation in the country.
            It seems that only then will the economy be taken seriously when the Iron Curtain is built around us. Enemies.

            You are right here. Basically, they realized it only when a bunch of sanctions arrived and our dependence became obvious. Well, as they say: a hedgehog is a proud bird, if you don't kick it, it won't fly
  • URAL72
    URAL72 28 December 2020 13: 05
    0
    It's nice to deal with a thinking person, otherwise: all-pro-salipolymers! Like they themselves pay taxes, they did not receive their salaries in an envelope, they build factories, they pay and raise salaries ...
  • d1975
    d1975 28 December 2020 14: 31
    -2
    Of course, this may not be true, but how many officials have dual citizenship, how many journalists like Solovyov have houses like houses in Italy? Where is Zolotarev's grandson and who is he studying for? And this is in open sources, no one refutes, it means that something is not right. I am not a liberal. But that shouldn't be. They are not clean on hand. What do you want to say that we have elections? Or are they honest? And everything that you write to the people has nothing to do, like the prices of gas and oil. power at the top is already without the trust of the people, the rest is propaganda. And don't tell me about the budget, I know.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 28 December 2020 19: 06
    0
    You are not in the subject at all, you started anti-state nonsense from social networks.

    The same Rosneft, Gazprom, Sberbank, VTB, Aeroflot, Rosseti, FGC, though PJSC (public joint stock companies), but most of their shares are owned by the state!

    VTB owns about 30% of the shares of the same Magnit.

    In addition, any Russian citizen can buy shares in Rosneft and Sberbank and Magnit and other companies and receive dividends from this and profit from the growth in the value of shares upon sale.

    Less whining, more action !!!

    And enough just take the word for every Russophobic nonsense spread by pro-Western trolls through social networks.
    1. d1975
      d1975 28 December 2020 22: 20
      0
      you walk with pink glasses or with binoculars. For example, I am intimidating the courts at the mercy of the former tax chief, who was so happy for the created system that they forgot to coordinate the data, quit work, because it takes time for the war and bureaucrats. And what kind of trolls, if this is true, governors, the same prezik of Tartary of invention or what? You vidos throw off what we have in the area in a personal? And you pour me here. And they lay down everything that does not lie down and will do what they need. Open your eyes. Yeltsin Center is not saying anything to you? No ?
  • Stas157
    Stas157 28 December 2020 10: 15
    +10
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Under Putin, the country's assets returned to the state's ownership

    The oligarchs have done this, that's all. And state giants have partly sold to foreigners, and partly used for personal purposes, bathing in luxury at the expense of the state. Can you tell me how much Sechin, Chubais, Miller, Kostin earned ... from state companies?

    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Speak troll.

    Ban this for being personal. According to the rules of the forum.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 28 December 2020 10: 25
      +2
      Quote: Stas157


      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Speak troll.

      Ban this for being personal. According to the rules of the forum.

      Snitches ... And you can't dig - everything is according to the rules ...
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 28 December 2020 10: 38
        +14
        Quote: Nasr
        Snitches

        ))) Are you an innocent victim?

        Do not worry about me, unlike your friends, I do not use the button. Although very in vain.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 09: 03
      0
      What kind of shuffling of the oligarchs did they make if the companies in large shares began to belong to the state?

      Himself for the baths for lies and provocation on the site !!!

      And Sechin and Miller earn only 2 times more than the Russian football player from the national team, only their responsibility is incomparably greater !!!

      For some reason, the players' salaries do not surprise anyone, no one shouts that they need to make a salary of 30 rubles a month, but Miller and Sechin need it.

      In Venezuela, they did so, lowered the salaries of the leadership of the local oil state company, and as a result, the entire leadership of this state oil company of Venezuela was simply bought by the United States and turned into a coup d'etat and the arrest of Chavez for the country in 2002 !!!

      This is where what you are proposing will lead to !!! If the manager of a large company receives a meager salary in comparison with competitors, then he will simply be bought and he will no longer work for his company, but for competitors. As a result, this will result in huge losses for the country.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 29 December 2020 09: 29
        +14
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And Sechin and Miller earn only 2 times more than a Russian footballer

        I have not seen palaces, yachts, or airplanes among Russian footballers! Why don't they know where to buy it or what?

        Do not forget that besides the official salary, these gentlemen (managers) also have bonuses, golden parachutes, related businesses ... and many different other options for pumping public money into their personal pockets.

        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        For some reason, the salaries of football players surprise no one, no one shouts

        They are very surprised and outraged by many - how can you pay a million to idiots who cannot even hit the goal!

        But even the richest footballers do not hold a candle to the scruffy and millers who are drowning in luxury.

        Your attempt to speculatively understate the incomes of Russian officials is not entirely successful. And I would say - just shameless.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 10: 00
          0
          Show Miller's yacht and plane, I just didn't see them at his place.

          Imagine that Sechen and Miller also have shares in the companies they manage, they acquired them in the same way as anyone can do it through a broker. And so they multiply their capital.

          Miller and Sechin, despite the fact that they run the largest companies in the country, are far from the richest people in the country.

          And the football players have enough brains only to wander around the bars, thump and fight, buy a yacht and an airplane and they can, but why do they need it. They want chicks and cars, that's their whole range of interests.

          Do you own shares in Gazprom or Rosneft? If not, why not? And why are you whining if you are too lazy to tear your ass off the couch, understand a little about this issue, open a brokerage account and, using part of your income, buying shares, create your own personal investment fund, which in a few years will grow to several million, even if you invest a month just a few thousand?

          Why don't you yourself want to become the owner of a stake in the largest Russian companies?

          Cause whining is easier than doing something?

          I have been on the stock market since 2007, I have always had an average salary, sometimes slightly higher than most in my region and I have shares in Gazprom and Rosneft and many other companies, even American ones, and the size of a brokerage account is in the millions. But it was not easy. Therefore, I am not surprised by either Miller's or Sechin's salary, I understand that they work out every penny they receive, unlike the same players who have more than a dozen in our team.

          And I don't drool over the income of managers, because the well-being of the whole country now depends on them, only Rosneft and Gazprom are 30% of federal budget revenues, in rubles it is 7-8 trillion a year and there is no desire to whine, there is a desire to work harder ...
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 29 December 2020 10: 28
            +14
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Show Miller's yacht and plane

            Don't know how to use a search engine or don't want to? You score and look: Gazprom has a whole squadron! Airplanes, including jet business jets, on which only oligarchs fly - everything is present. On the Black Sea there is the largest yacht Olympia, owned by subsidiaries of Gazprom. They have everything, please, don’t put them down.
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 14: 34
              0
              So does Gazprom have planes and helicopters or Miller?

              And how, in your opinion, should the employees get to the drilling sites in the North and other remote places and workers and management? Reindeer and skiing ?!
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 29 December 2020 16: 44
              +15
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              So does Gazprom have planes and helicopters or Miller?

              Probably from the one who uses them. No?

              11 luxurious business jets from unprofitable Gazprom-Avia! They probably fly to drilling rigs! True? Drinking champagne and eating from golden dishes in an embrace with beautiful stewardesses!))
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 29 December 2020 18: 58
          +14
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          I have shares of both Gazprom and Rosneft

          So they are dead. You can earn much more on American securities. Because they grow very powerfully. And the Russian sector is in flat all the time.

          By the way, as soon as foreign issuers began to trade on the Moscow Exchange, everyone went there. Double profit - dollar securities plus exchange rate growth.

          I myself have not invested in shares yet, although there is definitely interest. Win back blue-chip failures. I'm more on bonds. The profit is not high, but the risk is minimal.
        3. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 29 December 2020 22: 32
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          I have been on the stock market since 2007, I have always had an average salary, sometimes slightly higher than most in my region and I have shares in Gazprom and Rosneft and many other companies, even American ones, and the size of a brokerage account is in the millions.


          Sorry, but millions are in what currency? In Japanese yen? :)
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 10: 31
    +2
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    as an example - Rosneft (formerly Yukos),

    What ? laughing returned to Russia? laughing maybe sold more expensive?

    1. Cron
      Cron 28 December 2020 12: 42
      -1
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      What ? returned to Russia? maybe sold more expensive?

      Well, you shoved the board of directors here, that's what the question is? What valuable thought were you trying to pursue with this?
      Ownership 100%? So I also have Rosneft shares. Should I send you my photo? For a change.
      Well, someone owns a part of this company further, then what? Well, investors come in, well, they provide investments, some technologies, sales markets, forcing the interests of this company abroad, where they have influence, etc. What is longer?
      It doesn't matter what they own, what matters is what they have. To get started, take an interest in the budget rule on this topic, you will learn a lot of interesting things.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 09: 06
      0
      Well, look at your scheme - more than 50% of Rosneftegaz !!! And this is the company that manages state assets !!!

      BP's shares came in exchange for all TNK-BP assets !!!
  • Runoway
    Runoway 28 December 2020 10: 40
    -4
    TNK-BP (redeemed for the shares of Rosneft from Britain)

    Have you bought it? Or they simply changed the name and divided the money, a big question.
    Separately, I ask you to pay attention to Dudley (he was the chief in Russia in BP), apparently such a good specialist that they left

    Also, ask whose GRES in the Russian Federation.
    And how many cameras put Putin cut his hair as he wants and a fig does not replenish the budget
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 28 December 2020 11: 15
      -4
      Quote: Runoway
      they cut their hair as they want

      laughing laughing laughing In the heat of the moment, I did not notice how he was dragged by a severe flood. yes
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 09: 07
      0
      If your budget is not replenished, then at what expense are bridges and roads being built ?!

      Enough to write stupidity!
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 28 December 2020 12: 41
    +4
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Under Putin, the country's assets returned to the state's ownership

    Hedgehog, here you are even too lazy to see who now owns the former assets of Deripaska and their structure. And when you see, your hair will stand on end in all places.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 December 2020 18: 57
      0
      No one cares who owns what is there - the main thing is that all this in Russia stands and works bringing taxes to the budget and jobs.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 December 2020 21: 08
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        bringing taxes to the budget and jobs.

        Everything goes offshore, but here it just crap, pollutes and stinks.
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 28 December 2020 09: 16
    +1
    Can you see the whole price list? I can buy myself something. ))
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 59
      0
      Quote: Canecat
      Can you see the whole price list? I can buy myself something. ))

      Are you each other's "friends"?
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 28 December 2020 10: 15
        +3
        Does it bother you too? ))
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 09: 10
      0
      Open the MICEX Index - everything that you can buy in it.

      Moreover, now you can buy American shares in Russia through your own broker, even Coca-Cola, even Chevrolet, or Apple.

      This is much more interesting and profitable than sitting on the couch and yelling that everyone was robbed.
  • musorg
    musorg 28 December 2020 12: 23
    0
    Couch botalo!
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 28 December 2020 14: 20
      0
      Kwa ... itit)))
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 28 December 2020 09: 07
    +10
    Have you done it? The country is sold, wholesale and retail.


    These people have just saved the country !!!

    It was under Putin and thanks to him that Russia got out of default, debt and war, became many times stronger and richer.

    Don't whine troll.
    1. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 28 December 2020 09: 14
      +4
      ... It was under Putin and thanks to him that Russia got out of default,

      Sorry, but the default happened in 98 and Putin took office in 2000, then the dollar was 28 Russian rubles
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 28 December 2020 09: 23
        +5
        Until 2014, the dollar was around 33 rubles, which is + - inflation. What was necessary to remind in 2014?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 32
          -7
          Quote: Mitroha
          What happened in 2014 should be reminded

          Did they cheat Ukraine by allowing a fascist coup?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 28 December 2020 09: 51
            +3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets

            Did they cheat Ukraine by allowing a fascist coup?

            The main thing was that Russia was saved ... and allowed to peacefully knock on the keys with your fingers ... and to express militancy only on the monitor screen ...
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 57
              -6
              Quote: Nasr
              The main thing was that Russia was saved ... and allowed to peacefully knock on the keys with your fingers ... and to express militancy only on the monitor screen ...

              Why do you think this will continue indefinitely? Ukraine, Belarus, these are all "rehearsals" in front of Russia. Don't you think so?
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 28 December 2020 09: 57
        +5
        And how has the level of salaries increased during this time? And you get it in dollars?
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 09: 27
      -4
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      It was under Putin and thanks to him that Russia got out of default, debt and war, became many times stronger and richer.

      Blessed is he who believes.
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Don't whine troll.

      Wrote above.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 28 December 2020 10: 14
        +1
        Russia lost its sovereignty in the early nineties, which is now whining. This is the result of the treacherous policies of those years. More than 90% of all the country's assets are in foreign jurisdiction, Putin himself said this, and this is no secret. What do you suggest?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 10: 18
          -5
          Quote: Herman 4223
          Russia lost its sovereignty in the early nineties, which is now whining. This is the result of the treacherous policies of those years. More than 90% of all the country's assets are in foreign jurisdiction, Putin himself said this, and this is no secret.

          But no one wants to "stop there", more and more new privatization plans.
          Quote: Herman 4223
          What do you suggest?

          What do you think should be done?
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 28 December 2020 10: 35
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            If the country has lost sovereignty, then the problems cannot be solved until you fix it. It's bad to live in an occupation. What to do? To demand the abolition of the laws of occupation, first of all, international bodies (controlled by the United States) should not try out the meaning and content of our laws, land and natural resources should not be in any form of ownership. It should not be such that the main bank of the country that prints rubles and holds gold and foreign exchange reserves, according to the law, does not have the right to lend to the Russian government, and does not obey the Russian government. Until the majority of people understand that this should not be so, nothing will change. We need to talk about this so that people know then and the situation will begin to change. I do this all the time, join me.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 28 December 2020 10: 54
              +2
              Quote: Herman 4223
              If the country has lost sovereignty, then the problems cannot be solved until you fix it

              Nobody argues. Let each of us do what he must and come what may.
              Quote: Herman 4223
              What to do? To demand the abolition of the laws of occupation ...

              In short, this is all called the transition to a socialist socio-economic formation.
              Quote: Herman 4223
              We need to talk about this so that people know then and the situation will begin to change. I do this constantly, join me.

              And I do this, and not only that.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 28 December 2020 19: 01
              0
              The country loses its sovereignty when foreign military bases appear on its territory and governments dance to the tune of those who set these bases.
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 28 December 2020 20: 13
                0
                On the territory of the USSR there are military bases of the USA and their allies. The governments of the territories of the USSR are dancing to their tune. This is an occupation.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 28 December 2020 09: 59
      +14
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      These people have just saved the country !!!

      To use it as your own pocket? Now I will cry with emotion!

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Do not whine troll

      That's not noah. Do a good deed - leave the site.
  • faiver
    faiver 28 December 2020 09: 08
    -2
    Why is a man like Shoigu strangling a bird? And to a peasant who looks like Medvedev who entrusted the SVDshka? bully
  • Civil
    Civil 28 December 2020 09: 19
    +4
    Quote: Runoway
    The calendar will not lie !!! laughing
    Since now we can talk about it openly, tell me what kind of special operation these brave guys performed?

    Shoigu is clearly unhappy that the Journalist has removed him to the periphery. laughing
  • Stas157
    Stas157 28 December 2020 09: 52
    +14
    Quote: Runoway
    tell me what kind of special operation these brave guys performed?

    The Kremlin was captured. Now the deadlines are being reset. And already children are attached to their places.
  • El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 28 December 2020 10: 22
    +2
    Returning the whole Crimean peninsula home. The operation went down in history and will be studied in textbooks, nothing like the world has ever seen.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 28 December 2020 10: 53
      +10
      Quote: El Chuvachino
      Return the whole Crimean peninsula home. The operation made history

      Why are you against your protege (Putin)? Official version - Crimea himself came and the Kremlin did not participate in this.

      So figure it out. Putin says that there was a SELF-determination, in accordance with international norms and rules. And the confused people say - a dashing special operation for return! Whom to believe?
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 28 December 2020 14: 09
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        Self-determination and security are different and not mutually exclusive factors. Crimea self-determined and returned home, while the Kremlin provided security and the ability to self-determine. What is incomprehensible here?
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 29 December 2020 22: 26
      0
      Come on ... annexation of the Sudetes. Or, to please you - the annexation of Texas.

      And it was cooler - the Anschluss of Austria.
  • Bradley
    Bradley 28 December 2020 10: 37
    0
    Quote: Runoway
    The calendar will not lie !!! laughing
    Since now we can talk about it openly, tell me what kind of special operation these brave guys performed?

    The famous operation in Syria. This special forces detachment conducted reconnaissance, but due to the fact that the sniper fell asleep, they were surrounded. It was a tough fight.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 28 December 2020 12: 58
      +2
      Quote: Bradley
      but due to the fact that the sniper fell asleep, they were surrounded. It was a tough fight.

      Was Ulyukaev a sniper, or Serdyukov?
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 28 December 2020 13: 58
        +3
        Was Ulyukaev a sniper, or Serdyukov?

        Medvedev. Look, with the SVD stands.
  • u-345
    u-345 28 December 2020 12: 29
    +9
    And what kind of chicken is Sergei Kozhugetovich in the hands of?
    For lunch or what?
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 28 December 2020 12: 59
    0
    Quote: Runoway
    Since now we can talk about it openly, tell me what kind of special operation these brave guys performed?

    2015? Perhaps "Debaltsevskiy cauldron" and politically forcing Poroshenko to sign "Minsk 2".
    I will not discuss how good or bad Minsk-2 is for us at the moment, but then it was a definite success, both military and political, and in terms of image.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 28 December 2020 09: 03
    +2
    and what about the names, explain who knows. Quote: " CAB-20guided gliding bomb UPAB-50 . "That is, one and the same product is called this and that.
    1. KCA
      KCA 28 December 2020 09: 14
      +4
      One product?

      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 28 December 2020 09: 17
        +2
        yes yes .. there is a comma. I have not woken up yet
      2. Avior
        Avior 28 December 2020 10: 37
        +1
        You have KAB-50 in the photo, this is KAB-20

    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 28 December 2020 09: 16
      +2
      oops .. there separated by commas. Semyon Semyonich
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: Svetlana
      KAB-20, UPAB-50 controlled gliding bomb. "That is, the same product is called this and that.

      No ... These are different bonbs! A "family" of small-sized aerial bombs has been created, mainly in the "caliber" of 50 kg ... There is also FAB-50, KAB-50 ... UPAB-50-gliding, with a wing ... Warheads are mostly borrowed the eres have "grad" ....
  • Strashila
    Strashila 28 December 2020 09: 12
    +2
    what prevents to make ammunition based on RPG-7 shots, an assortment for every taste.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 09: 31
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      to make ammunition based on RPG-7 shots, an assortment for every taste.

      In principle, this is also possible ... it would be the will of the Ministry of Defense and money allocated! "Components" individually
      for this there are ... By the way, an aerial bomb weighing less than 3 kg has been developed in the USA ... somewhere 2,6 kg ...
    2. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 28 December 2020 09: 44
      -2
      what for? eavesdropping from them from 300 meters? for a pre-concreted goal?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 10: 01
        +3
        Do not shoot, but throw it off like a "boon"! And why, it is better to ask the shtatovites, who made an aerial ammunition weighing 3 kg!
        HATCHET
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 28 December 2020 10: 04
          -2
          Well, why from RPG7 ?? and even more so to drop, and even from a drone 10 or even a hundred times more than carriers of 3kg warheads
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 28 December 2020 09: 45
      +6
      7kg of explosive for the Grad and about 1-1,5 kg for the RPG, the difference is significant
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 12: 08
        0
        The difference is significant ... The difference is significant for different UAVs! In size, carrying capacity ... wink
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 28 December 2020 09: 37
    +1
    Quote: Canecat
    What kind of sadness are you? Didn't get a place at the trough? ))


    What sadness ???
    This country is my Motherland. Is this argument sufficient?
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 28 December 2020 09: 40
    +3
    The theme of the calendar is modern Russian military equipment. UAV "Orion" represents the month of May.

    Is this a hint that the first samples will begin to enter service in May?
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 28 December 2020 09: 49
      +4
      Already received, the first 3 pieces + control complex, and from the next year a new GPV.
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 28 December 2020 09: 44
    -3
    and still .. it is better to make the nose longer and screw the ball into the void created in the elongation. so the frontal resistance of the flying machine is 2 times lower =) and the ball will all the same fall down and even sideways almost always.
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 28 December 2020 10: 10
    -1
    soldier
    the price of a strike reconnaissance UAV is several carriers with sights and the transfer of the central control system to conventional weapons with conventional reconnaissance equipment + 1 middle class + 1 heavy total million dollars per salvo from 4 UAVs 8 conventional ATGMs))) 1 su 25 or 1 su34 in half a day more mass was dropped than a drone of 10 times the cost ... about aiming ... on the front line, as well as a little deeper, there are unmeasured means of detection and destruction. For example, the air defense of the NKR turned out to be weak that the planes used something 3 times and all with losses in the air force in terms of the use of drones ... let's say the Armenians would not have the same fortifications but corny real and not in Google fortifications and that's it ... and then there is a great need for drones when there are no more helicopters and no rtillery. but the funniest thing in the magazine of the publishing house of the Ministry of Defense constantly shows training and combat work with drones in the composition of the vertical of reconnaissance and defeat
    clean to see it is online all the numbers of the army collection for free even.
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 28 December 2020 10: 28
      -1
      The article "Unmanned" swarms "are preparing for battle"
      Initially, the active development of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in the West was caused (back in the 30s - 40s of the last century) IN THE SAME Vietnam and further over the years
      shot down by the Syrian artillery drone https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-11/1606600307_img18968.jpg
      Karabakh-2016
      For the first time, the Bayraktar TB2 medium attack UAVs with guided aerial bombs (UAB) MAM-L with a range of up to 8 km and UAB MAM-C with ISN and satellite correction with a range of 14 km were widely and successfully used against air defense systems (just now a couple of patients are salaried continues to rub in about the illumination of artillery with the WTO not from 7 but from 70 km .... this is in the usa ... they can =) while it is based on blind faith).
      Propoganda who prochitet understands Aegis they say it wasn’t shmog against drones. about low-altitude and not at all about Aegis.

      There are a lot of articles including purely thematic aka as su24 received a tsu from an intelligence drone ...
  • businessv
    businessv 28 December 2020 10: 22
    0
    The main feature of the new aircraft is the long duration of flights. The UAV is capable of staying in the air at maximum load for up to 24 hours. Flight altitude - 7,5 thousand meters.
    In height it loses to Bayraktar.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 December 2020 10: 51
    +3
    I look here competently all the fighters are acting. An article about a UAV, and it can be a shock one. The only thing left is how to organize production in three shifts at Almaz Anteya! Today my son and his family are traveling to Sochi, having earned by their own labor and not taking a penny from me to help. There is no oil well in our family and we don’t need it! drinks
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 December 2020 10: 56
    +2
    I can’t wait for shots of the use of the UAV Oreon, on the barmaley in Syria. Then we will begin to sing laudatory mantras
  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 28 December 2020 12: 58
    0
    As previously reported, the following ammunition has already been created for Orion: the Kh-50 small-sized aircraft guided missile
    here either the product index is messed up, or ... the paper will endure everything, can you lie?
    Kh-50 (product 715) - medium-range air-launched cruise missile, about 6 meters long and weighing more than 1,5 tons. The product is too big for Orion, this X-50 can rather take it away, but not vice versa.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 19: 01
      -3
      this is the index of the enterprise, if accepted, then another index will be given
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 28 December 2020 20: 05
        -1
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        this is the index of the enterprise, if accepted, then another index will be given

        Do you know what this product is, X-50? Not a cruise missile? Where can I find it?

        In the developer's documentation, the missile is referred to as a "product number", but the "X" with a digital index is already assigned by the military.
        For example, X-101 (product 111), X-25L (product 69), X-55 (product 120), the same for engine engineers (turbojet engine AL-41F1 - product 117, for example), for "tankers" it is accepted instead of "product "speak" object "(T-90 tank - object 188)
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 20: 10
          0
          information zero, the rocket only recently surfaced at the exhibition, so they could draw for "at least somehow designate"
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 28 December 2020 20: 47
            0
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            information zero, the rocket only recently surfaced at the exhibition, so they could draw for "at least somehow designate"

            at least show the photo)
            I am not criticizing, as it might seem. It's just that the "army" index is assigned when there is actually something besides the project. Well, the indexes, as you know, should not be repeated, in order to avoid (although, strictly speaking, there were such precedents). The fact is that when they hear the X-50, then immediately there is an association with the KR from KTRV, created for the "strategists" Tu-160M ​​and Tu-95MSM
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 23: 08
              -1
              here please
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 28 December 2020 23: 45
                0
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                here please

                oh how ... live forever, be surprised) Thank you.
                The most interesting thing is that the rocket is also from KTRV.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 29 December 2020 10: 55
                  -3
                  let's hope that they are smart enough to make rockets and bombs in cooperation with missile design bureaus, otherwise they will learn from children's mistakes for another 10 years
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  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 17: 39
    -1
    of the minuses, only the number of suspension nodes ... all the same 4 nodes for 4 missiles, it will be small ... I understand that twenty will be hung up for use in patrolling, but it would still be nice to develop an integrated system so that you can hang up to 8 units of funds defeat in the mass of 20 kg .. Yes, and we need to further move away from gigantomania. How many years ago did you develop NARs with laser guidance? The S-8 weighs 13-17 kg a piece and is powerful enough to burn tanks and infantry fighting vehicles from above, and various versions of warheads allow you to work in bunkers and infantry .. Still, the ability to carry 10-16 units turns Orion into a full-fledged participant on the battlefield , which in one sortie can stop the offensive of an entire company ..
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 19: 00
      -2
      laughing how many "experts" have gathered here .. have already thrown two minuses .. and what will happen when I propose to use Orion as a platform for launching Lancets / Cube-UAVs? tongue
  • Tagan
    Tagan 29 December 2020 14: 17
    -1
    Quote: Stas157

    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Speak troll.

    Ban this for being personal. According to the rules of the forum.

    You, too, in an amicable way, it's time for a ban. And then you do not bear responsibility for your own speeches (yet).