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Ukrainian politician: Novorossiya project is not over

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Ukrainian politician: Novorossiya project is not over

Representatives of the Ukrainian opposition made a number of statements on the subject that the country in the medium term can say goodbye to a number of its territories.


One of those who made such a statement is Gennady Moskal (ex-head of the Lugansk, and then Transcarpathian regional state administrations, ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, Lieutenant General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, retired).

According to Gennady Moskal, expressed for the Ukrainian media, "the Novorossiya project is not over." He noted that for some reason everyone is confident in the completion of this "project".

Gennady Moskal:

I just want to remind you that the project includes six regions of Ukraine - Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Kherson.

The Ukrainian politician notes that Ukraine can lose these areas.

It should be recalled that earlier in Ukraine they talked about the possibility of losing territories in the event of a new Maidan, which may "turn out to be even more destructive than the previous one." At the same time, among Ukrainian politicians, including former ones, for some reason it is not customary to consider the possibility of losing the western regions. But this can be no less relevant for Kiev. For example, in the Transcarpathian Beregovo in the local council, for the first time in many years, Hungarian-leaning parties won the majority. People from the SBU came to the representatives of one of the parties with searches.

Earlier in the west of Ukraine they announced the formation of de facto federal bodies of power, including the proclamation of "their own president." The latter takes place without a central legislative framework. All this indicates either the need for Ukraine to move to full-fledged federalization, or that it can really simply lose a significant part of its territories.
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  1. armannu
    armannu 28 December 2020 06: 53
    +16
    Maidan is good!
    But somehow he is late ...
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 28 December 2020 07: 29
      +7
      Quote: armannu
      Maidan is good!
      But somehow he is late ...

      Duc costs 3 billion dollars to deliver and everything will work out.
      Only from where?
      Russia cannot single out such grandmas, because they will immediately turn out to be undemocratic and alien. Wrong, in general, bucks.
      (How much the Maidan cost the states was reported in plain text by Nuland - exactly three yards! For the states, under such a success - this is 10 kopecks from a leaky pocket ...)
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 28 December 2020 07: 51
        +2
        Nuland needs to be "bribed" - it will come out cheaper and her pensioner will have something to do! She's also making cookies! laughing
        1. Temples
          Temples 28 December 2020 12: 30
          +1
          The Novorossiya project is not over

          So it (the project of Novorossiya) did not start.
          They cheered in the media while the rating allowed and calmed down.

          The Anglo-Saxon Ukraine project took place. It is a fact.

          And so far we cannot return what we have lost.

          And who needs it now?
          Economists will explain that this is not profitable.
          There are no hydrocarbons or other minerals there.

          For officials, people are the expenditure side of the budget.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 28 December 2020 13: 07
            +4
            This is a misconception.
            I can name more pluses that no one pays attention to:
            1. This is uranium in Yellow Waters,
            2. This is a direct route to the PMR and the lifting of the blockade,
            3. This is our border with Moldova and giving it the opportunity to supply vegetables, fruits and wine to our agricultural market (if it behaves well!),
            4. This is the Dnieper water to the Crimea and the LDNR FOREVER,
            5. This is electricity to the Crimea from the Kakhovska hydroelectric station
            1. Boris Nevzorov
              Boris Nevzorov 28 December 2020 15: 35
              +6
              The war in Nagorno-Karabakh clearly showed what happens to "frozen" conflicts ... Therefore, the border of the LPR should pass along the border of Transnistria. Then there will be peace and quiet!
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 28 December 2020 15: 01
            +5
            The Novorossiya project did not even begin. Just because this is not a project. This is a historical region that we conquered from the Crimean Khanate and settled by Great Russians from the Russian hinterland. This name was forgotten during the Soviet era, but in 14 it was remembered and will not be forgotten now.
            The Anglo-Saxon Ukraine project failed miserably. They did not succeed in creating a center for the Guam bloc and a counterbalance to Russia in the manner of Pakistan for India. Ukraine has nothing more to blackmail us, industry is falling apart, the country is becoming impoverished. The APU is degrading due to the deterioration of fixed assets. Ukraine cannot replace the same volumes. These reserves were created by one superpower for the war against another superpower. To create the same dill is not possible. As the equipment deteriorates further, the Armed Forces will move to more compact sizes and the purchase of foreign equipment for replacement. After that, it will practically no longer pose a military threat.
            1. Boris Nevzorov
              Boris Nevzorov 28 December 2020 15: 36
              +3
              Ukraine must return to the borders of Ukraine - the Galician forest that fled from the Poles.
      2. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 28 December 2020 08: 23
        +1
        Quote: Victor_B
        Russia cannot single out such grandmas, because they will immediately turn out to be undemocratic and alien.

        Putin tried to do this under Yanukovych. Until now we cannot return. He hoped for the prudence of the mind of the Ukrainian people and flew by. And now all the media in Ukraine gradually began to howl that during European integration, the West needs them as a third-rate people with its natural resources, and that with Russia is better, but give Crimea, Donbass, forgive blood, death, deprivation for the sake of a handful of oligarchs interested in getting rich on this. And off topic, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has released calendars for the new year. You can download the link. Https://xn - 80ahclcogc6ci4h .xn - 90anlfbebar6i.xn - p1ai / multimedia / calendar2021.htm
        1. Boris Nevzorov
          Boris Nevzorov 28 December 2020 15: 45
          +8
          When Russia returned to Sevastopol. It was something! We cried with happiness.
          In Odessa, Nikolaev. Kharkov will be the same
      3. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 28 December 2020 08: 52
        +1
        The politician has a good surname! Talking! Moskal!

        How was he allowed with that name?
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 28 December 2020 09: 05
      0
      Popcorn and beer is running out
    3. iouris
      iouris 28 December 2020 11: 42
      +1
      Do not ask what the Maidan should do for you. What did you do for the Maidan yourself? (D.F. Kennedy, US President)
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 28 December 2020 06: 59
    +3
    At the same time, among Ukrainian politicians, including former ones, for some reason it is not customary to consider the possibility of losing the western regions.
    Too complex analytics for non-brothers, it seems, because from the West, in their opinion, only inexpressible goodness comes.
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 28 December 2020 07: 03
    +3
    Moskal slanders Muscovites smile
    1. A good one
      A good one 28 December 2020 07: 13
      +11
      And how could they not turn his head away for such a name? what
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 28 December 2020 07: 20
        0
        Quote: Not bad
        And how could they not turn his head away for such a name? what

        Moskalyaku to Gilyaka! © Maidan 2014
        bully
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 28 December 2020 07: 16
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Moskal slanders Muscovites smile

      And what about the skache, what about?lol
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 28 December 2020 07: 21
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        And what about the skache, what about?

        This one - they have one of the most frantic and consistent skakuas, with all his body visions and actions striving to prove that Moskal is not a Muscovite.
  4. nnm
    nnm 28 December 2020 07: 10
    +10
    Doubtful. After we ourselves left the LDNR in limbo without including them in the Russian Federation, we ourselves discouraged other regions of Ukraine from going the same way. If at some point Ukraine starts to fall apart due to various reasons - yes, the Russian spring may continue, but in other cases - no. And we ourselves are to blame for that.
    And the essence of what Moskal said is simple - a call to knock out everything that reminds of Russia from the south and east of Ukraine.
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 28 December 2020 07: 23
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      Doubtful. After we ourselves left the LDNR in limbo without including them in the Russian Federation, we ourselves discouraged other regions of Ukraine from following the same path.

      God works in mysterious ways. Who knows what tomorrow will be ...
      1. nnm
        nnm 28 December 2020 07: 52
        +2
        This is yes. But I'm talking about the "as is" state. Of course, everything can change in one moment, but so far there are no prerequisites for this.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 28 December 2020 13: 11
          +3
          There were no prerequisites for the return of the Crimea either, but how it turned out. laughing
          1. nnm
            nnm 28 December 2020 14: 12
            +4
            Not true. Crimea was eager to leave the Ukrainian SSR in a referendum on January 20, 1991.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 28 December 2020 20: 19
              0
              You would control your speeches :: no one is interested in what was happening in the USSR in the 90s in order to understand both you and the West - why is it that the world community has not yet recognized the results of the Crimean referendum and the annexation of Crimea to Russia?
              Or is there something else written down in your training manual?
              1. nnm
                nnm 28 December 2020 20: 21
                -1
                To be honest, I absolutely do not care what the West recognizes there, what it does not. Absolutely indifferent.
  5. A good one
    A good one 28 December 2020 07: 12
    +7
    The cat knows whose meat it ate.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 28 December 2020 13: 44
      +1
      I had a bite.
  6. Antidote
    Antidote 28 December 2020 07: 17
    -4
    Not a day without "what is there at х0хл0в". Keep it up, IN!
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 December 2020 07: 24
    +5
    In general, an interesting idea: you provoke the Natsiks to the Maidan, the power is out, then you honestly take the territory.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 28 December 2020 09: 08
      +1
      I fully support you with this idea. "Soft power" seems to be called.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 December 2020 09: 25
        +1
        The most important thing is that the territories will come running themselves.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 December 2020 07: 32
    +3
    the country in the medium term can say goodbye to a number of its territories.
    Everything goes to this. Even stubborn nationalists in the depths of their brain, dying off against the background of terry Russophobia, understand this, but continue to bend their line. What they stubbornly go to, in the end they will get it.
  9. Magic archer
    Magic archer 28 December 2020 07: 32
    +2
    These are the Muscovites who ruined Ukraine. While they are shouting that Russia is to blame for everything, they do not see that they are being robbed by their own. The law on land has been passed, casinos will be opened, prostitution and drugs will be legalized, all that remains is to open legal clinics for organ transplants and, in principle, the country can be dismantled. The Carpathians, the Hungarians, the Poles, the West, and we all the east. And leave the native lands. And that's enough
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 December 2020 07: 36
    -1
    That's what Moskal means, a comrade with such a curly surname speaks the truth. laughing
  11. Pavel73
    Pavel73 28 December 2020 07: 47
    +5
    Transcarpathia - Hungary, Bukovina - Romania, Galicia - Poland, South-East - Russia. And everyone will be happy. And maybe even make friends. Life in Ukraine will get better only when people who are completely different in origin and mentality are no longer forcibly forced to live in one state.
    1. Magic archer
      Magic archer 28 December 2020 08: 03
      +2
      And I got a minus for practically the same words! Where's the justice)))?!
      1. faiver
        faiver 28 December 2020 08: 40
        0
        life is generally unfair hi
      2. andrewkor
        andrewkor 28 December 2020 09: 09
        +2
        Compensation from me. I'm kind in the morning
      3. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 28 December 2020 10: 35
        +1
        I gave you a plus sign, don't be upset hi
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 December 2020 08: 04
      +6
      Quote: Pavel73
      South-East - Russia. And everyone will be happy. And maybe even make friends.

      Why only the South-East? Return all Little Russia to the Russian Federation, headed by Kiev. Otherwise, there will be no good, they will always plan some kind of pod, and there will be those who want to "help" in this!
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 28 December 2020 10: 40
        +1
        Unfortunately, everyone only learns from their mistakes. Therefore, before the euphoria from an independent, happy life without Russia passes, the "independent" must choke on impurities and understand who needs them with their independent position and for what. And when the brain turns on, it will be possible to calmly discuss how to continue to live.
  12. Olgovich
    Olgovich 28 December 2020 08: 25
    +1
    I just want to remind you that the project includes six regions of Ukraine - Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Kherson.

    The Ukrainian politician notes that Ukraine can lose these areas.

    Correctly says, for this is RUSSIA, treacherously transferred by the so-called "Ukraine"
  13. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 28 December 2020 08: 26
    +2
    Quote: Not bad
    And how could they not turn his head away for such a name? what

    Anecdote on the topic: In Ukraine, a cuckoo sits on a tree and cries. A sparrow flies up and asks: Why are you crying?
    Cuckoo: How not to cry? I don’t know how to “zo-zu”, but they will kill for “ku-ku”.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 28 December 2020 08: 28
    +3
    Download, guys, download ..... not everything "unnecessary" fell off.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 December 2020 09: 22
      +2
      The moment will come when they will jump, and there will be nowhere to land ... Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 December 2020 09: 47
        +1
        Good morning soldier
        We now have early morning, the clock has been adjusted again ...
        Well, there, in the country of unafraid .... strange people, everything is still, racing with.
        Shaw they itching to do that?
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 December 2020 10: 07
          +2
          They feel that there will be a denouement soon, so they are trying to be clever ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 December 2020 10: 24
            +1
            It is difficult to imagine what exactly will happen.
            The people then huddled in their huts, which are on the edge and .... waiting.
            What are they waiting for, is this a question?
            1. cniza
              cniza 28 December 2020 10: 26
              +2
              They will not be saved by the policy of khataskraynost ..., but they are waiting for freebies, that someone will come and rake them all the shit, and they will panic again ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 December 2020 10: 28
                +1
                The same will be pounded, the rest of the mass will be left out, the distribution of "gingerbread".
                1. cniza
                  cniza 28 December 2020 10: 31
                  +2
                  I doubt that someone is giving them gingerbread, I doubt very much ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 28 December 2020 10: 42
                    +1
                    What are the most obvious options?
                    Will they be favored or robbed completely?
                    There is nothing special to guess here.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 28 December 2020 11: 45
                      +2
                      They will rob and leave it at least, and what will happen then they are not interested ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 December 2020 12: 14
                        +1
                        About that and speech.
                        Simple, real, common truths ... only completely ... strange people may not understand this.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 28 December 2020 13: 05
                        +2
                        I have already said that they have some kind of anomaly under the ground, that their brains are moving out ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 December 2020 13: 13
                        +1
                        So then, fertile lands ...
                        Why monkeys do not want to climb down from trees ??? They are not badly fed there either!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 December 2020 08: 54
    -3
    I just want to remind you that the project includes six regions of Ukraine - Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Kherson.
    The Ukrainian politician notes that Ukraine can lose these areas.

    As soon as the population of the regions realizes themselves as Russians, the Ukrainian power will end there. The matter is small. It remains to prove that we, the Russians, can unite and revive our country, destroy dependence on the alien to us and superficial from the western closets. People will be drawn to us.
  • prior
    prior 28 December 2020 09: 14
    +2
    Yesterday, while driving by car, I listened to Sofia Rotaru's song "The Edge".
    I listened to the text. Hooked. A song about Verkhovyna, a song about hutsuls, a song about love for the native land.
    What words!
    Questions appeared by themselves:
    How could such words be found with the supposedly constant oppression of the Galicians by Muscovites?
    How bad was the life of the Ukrainians, who composed and sang such songs about their native land?
    What did they lack, that they arranged for themselves what they now have?
    What kind of song did they create during their so-called independence?
    Do they sing at all now, or are there only phrases about Bandera, horse races and for some reason now hated Muscovites?
    Listen to the Ukrainians again this song and answer your own question - why and why, and in the name of what?
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 29 December 2020 06: 26
      0
      Quote: prior
      listened to Sofia Rotaru's song "Edge".
      I listened to the text. Hooked. A song about Verkhovyna, a song about hutsuls, a song about love for the native land.
      What words!

      And how she sang - "I you, he, she - together a friendly country"!

      "Komsomolka and just a beauty", a welcome guest at the concerts of the CPSU Congress, a performer treated kindly by the authorities.
      And in the end ... Recognized the "occupation of Crimea", actively participated in financing the "ATO" in Donbass.

      Songbird yes
      1. prior
        prior 29 December 2020 10: 17
        0
        I'm not talking about a songstress, we have enough of our own "songbirds", I'm about a song, about people.
  • cniza
    cniza 28 December 2020 09: 20
    +3
    six regions of Ukraine - Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Kherson.


    I suspect that not only them ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 December 2020 09: 48
      +1
      I suspect that the glory of Nestor Makhno does not give rest to some! They want to start their own Walk.
      1. cniza
        cniza 28 December 2020 10: 14
        +1
        They have more than a dozen such Makhno there ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 28 December 2020 10: 25
          +1
          Well yes. "Support groups" all have ..... no matter what happens.
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 December 2020 10: 28
            +5
            Let them answer the question whose hryvnia? lol

            1. rocket757
              rocket757 28 December 2020 10: 30
              +1
              Well, the Byzantine sovereign eagle .... this does not fit into Their current history.
              1. cniza
                cniza 28 December 2020 10: 33
                +2
                So he brought them potatoes for borscht ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 28 December 2020 10: 44
                  +1
                  They do not favor Peter, never in any way ...
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 28 December 2020 11: 46
                    +1
                    They do not like it, to put it mildly ...
  • u-345
    u-345 28 December 2020 10: 52
    +8
    Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Kherson are occupied territories.
    Let it be remembered
  • mark_rod
    mark_rod 28 December 2020 11: 12
    +4
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Quote: Victor_B
    Russia cannot single out such grandmas, because they will immediately turn out to be undemocratic and alien.

    Putin tried to do this under Yanukovych. Until now we cannot return. He hoped for the prudence of the mind of the Ukrainian people and flew by. And now all the media in Ukraine gradually began to howl that during European integration, the West needs them as a third-rate people with its natural resources, and that with Russia is better, but give Crimea, Donbass, forgive blood, death, deprivation for the sake of a handful of oligarchs interested in getting rich on this. And off topic, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has released calendars for the new year. You can download the link. Https://xn - 80ahclcogc6ci4h .xn - 90anlfbebar6i.xn - p1ai / multimedia / calendar2021.htm

    Just the Commander-in-Chief did not hope for any Ukrainian people! He thought to feed the oligarchs with the authorities, but he didn't care about the people from the high bell tower, as well as the Russian one. It was enough for him to take good care of the Russian people, so that they rolled like cheese in butter, then the Ukrainian people would not strive to the west, but closer to Russia. And when bread and water are on the table of the Russian people, no one will be friends with Russia!
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 28 December 2020 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: mark_rod
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Quote: Victor_B
      Russia cannot single out such grandmas, because they will immediately turn out to be undemocratic and alien.

      Putin tried to do this under Yanukovych. Until now we cannot return. He hoped for the prudence of the mind of the Ukrainian people and flew by. And now all the media in Ukraine gradually began to howl that during European integration, the West needs them as a third-rate people with its natural resources, and that with Russia is better, but give Crimea, Donbass, forgive blood, death, deprivation for the sake of a handful of oligarchs interested in getting rich on this. And off topic, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has released calendars for the new year. You can download the link. Https://xn - 80ahclcogc6ci4h .xn - 90anlfbebar6i.xn - p1ai / multimedia / calendar2021.htm

      Just the Commander-in-Chief did not hope for any Ukrainian people! He thought to feed the oligarchs with the authorities, but he didn't care about the people from the high bell tower, as well as the Russian one. It was enough for him to take good care of the Russian people, so that they rolled like cheese in butter, then the Ukrainian people would not strive to the west, but closer to Russia. And when bread and water are on the table of the Russian people, no one will be friends with Russia!

      Holy truth.
  • iouris
    iouris 28 December 2020 13: 48
    +1
    "Novorossiya" - is it from Vladivostok to Lisbon or what? Catch up with Portugal, what do you think?
  • Kushka
    Kushka 28 December 2020 15: 14
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Moskal slanders Muscovites smile

    Since when did the cops become POLITICS?
    Moskal, if something is the main Crimean cop.
    Loves to talk about Crimean
    gang "Shoes". Two words - four swear words!
    And in general - a bazaar woman. For VO the most it.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 28 December 2020 19: 15
    +1
    And who is Moskal? So, a second-hand politician. Therefore, he makes different "statements" to "emerge"))
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 29 December 2020 18: 30
    -1
    Moreover, the Novorossiya project has not even started yet.

    And the death (or murder) of a high-ranking overgrown scammer in Kharkov could be a very real beginning.