The State Council, the State Planning Committee, state capitalism - is this Russia's choice?

A little more than a month has passed since development institutions such as Rusnano, Skolkovo and various other SMEs, REC and EXIAR have been shaken up in Russia (Optimizing optimizers).

Both strategy and development

After such a shake-up for Chubais and a whole cohort of his associates, the very word "development" literally never leaves the lips of our officials and managers.

However, top development managers were shaken up in favor of an office with a slightly less dubious reputation - VEB.RF. It is known that for some time now it has been headed by Igor Shuvalov, a multiple minister and deputy prime minister.

Shuvalov has long been recorded as a patron of the liberal wing of reformers, ahead of which only Dmitry Medvedev and Arkady Dvorkovich are traditionally listed. In itself, the creation of such a supermonster, to which one simply cannot but adhere, initially promised too large sums.

You understand what it is. However, it seems that bureaucratic instincts this time deceived many. Let me remind you that it is no coincidence that the financial parameters of the projects that will be launched, or rather, passed through VEB.RF, are still unknown to anyone.

But just a few days ago it became clear that Shuvalov's corporation would not have an outrageous financial capacity by definition. And this despite all the hype and desire to embrace the maximum possible in the areas of development.

A financial bummer for VEB.RF, which few people noticed at all, happened just the other day. After the next meeting of the State Council, but the first after the reorganization of development institutions.

Let me remind you that in the State Council, there is no eternal ex-president Medvedev in the second (that is, in many respects key) position. Unlike a number of other structures (for example, the Security Council with Dmitry Anatolyevich), there is no second issue in the State Council by definition. There is a secretary Igor Levitin. But what is the "second" here?

In the center of attraction

On the other hand, the president's hands in the State Council are free. Although we are not America, and no one would have thought of connecting them. We have a presidential republic. And not caught on a living thread from several dozen states with such independence that no autonomy in Russia would even dare to dream of.

The main thing is that through the State Council it is possible to carry out such decisions as quickly as possible, which then the Duma and the Federation Council will only have to stamp -

"Approved!"

This is exactly what was done last week. The State Council adopted neither more nor less - the state plan. It was decided to name it rather modestly -

"National Development Goals".

But the notorious National Projects and State Programs are also laid under it.

The unified plan (by the way, quite unambiguously - not a conceptual, but a financial one) also included a number of already forgotten provisions from the Concept-2020. (Social obligations and capitalist circumstances).

This concept was, perhaps, the first real attempt in post-reform Russia to adopt the experience of Soviet planning on a national scale. However, like its industry counterparts (like the Russian Railways Strategy-2030 or the energy program with the same deadline), the Concept had a drawback - a lack of specifics with numbers in words.

The Concept did not have a direct connection with the same national projects, and there was no continuity either.

With the new ideas of the State Council, everything is different, they were even worked out at the Center for National Projects, which is about to turn into an analogue of the Union State Planning Committee.

A single strategic document was recently presented to the State Council by Prime Minister Mishustin - this is a real plan, not yet five years, but three years. Even better, you have to change less. Interdepartmental groups have already been formed for it - but in general, this will not surprise anyone.

The plan contains everything that such a document is supposed to. There are goals - to improve the living standards of people, to create a comfortable environment for development. List by region, terms and those responsible for execution. There is even a unified management system. Digital, of course. But the main thing is that the budgetary support is spelled out.

And there is a feeling that the bureaucracy is unlikely to succeed in cutting coupons from an unexpected financial revolution. Too much has been done according to proven Soviet patterns.

Whoever hinders us will help us

Here, readers, hold onto the chairs - 39 trillion rubles are allocated for the new plan. That is, more than six times more than for national projects. It cannot be ruled out that funds for them will be included in the corresponding items of expenditure of the Unified Plan.

For this, perhaps, I still have to say a special thank you - some, no, but budget savings. For a country that is making leaps and bounds towards increasing budget revenues, as well as budgetary investments, as a result, this is an extremely important circumstance.

Only a few years have passed since then, when assets privatized by Chubais back in the 90s began to return under state control or directly into state ownership. And the fact that it all began with YUKOS does not in the least negate the fact itself.

The presence of the state in a particular industry becomes, as a rule, decisive. But it is formalized according to all the laws of capitalism - in the form of joint-stock ownership.

Ordinary examples of the opposite kind (for example, putting up for sale 17% of the shares of the first TV channel) should not be embarrassing - the priority of the state remains there too.

Even the notorious people's IPOs fit into the trend. Not to mention the slow but sure fetch of potentially strategic assets from numerous offshore companies.

If things were going to a complete rejection of offshorization, then this could only be welcomed. But this will happen, alas, obviously not soon.

Nevertheless, the transfer of the oligarchs to a position similar to that of the notorious “red directors” is also something of a trend.

The position of the state in state capitalism is clearly becoming stronger. Does this make the state itself stronger? Now this is not so obvious.

And what kind of state is it? This is also a question.

The definition of "social", in spite of the fact that it is considered almost obligatory, is justified with a very big scratch.

The dream of a true Marxist

Ideally, for any self-respecting Marxist, as well as for an anarchist, the state should wither away after great revolutions. But if for an anarchist it is better immediately and forever, then for a communist it is rather late than early.

To begin with, we must also build communism, to which, bypassing the phase of socialism, you cannot get anywhere. And socialism must also be built. And it is better through the NEP, that is, something similar to state capitalism, which now (no matter what the heirs of Mao say) is taking place in China.

In Russia, it seems, after decades of ideological and economic inter-time, there is a trend towards a transition from wild capitalism to a state-like capitalism similar to China.

Why do I undertake to assert that both in China and in Russia there are almost no traces of real socialism left? Yes, simply, relying on the very structure of ownership: both there and here.

Is it necessary to prove that our great powers do not have that real people's ownership of the means of production, which (unlike private) denies the exploitation of man by man? State property, again - (both here and there) is already in abundance. But the exploitation remains. Moreover, it is growing.

Just pointing the finger directly at the exploiter becomes more and more difficult over time. And the same state, both in Russia and in China, with all its executions, nationalizations and slogans to the envy of Ilyich, has long merged with the sharks of capitalism, helping them to disguise themselves as loyal Leninists.

In Russia, this required (which simply has a lot of precedents in stories) bureaucratic revenge, which in China acquired its original form, beautifully veiled under the adaptation to the conditions of world development.

In fact, no socialism (neither real - at the end of the 30s, nor developed - in 1977) was ever built in the Soviet Union.

In China (whatever the local media and the true Leninist-Stalinists scattered around the world say), I am convinced - too.

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[Aerodrome]

The State Council, the State Planning Committee, state capitalism - is this Russia's choice?

I didn't choose. I was against it. I am for the USSR. (Pay attention to the first and last "S".)

[nnm]

This whole plan, in principle, is a compilation of those already available earlier. And the forecast of social and economic development has been around for a long time, and the energy plan, etc.
Until a plan for the development of all sectors of the life of the state is drawn up, in which these sectors will not be interconnected, until there is a will to change the goals of the plan and personal responsibility (not just register the responsible executor, as before and as now, but indicate for him the disciplinary, administrative and other types of liability for non-performance), until then it will be just a set of documents on the distribution of budget funds to include these costs in the budget.
Until we sit down calmly and work out a strategy for the country's development, there will be no qualitative improvement.
First, taking into account the opinions of scientists, practitioners, techies, we must determine the goals that should be achieved in 5, 10, 50 years in education, science, demography, production, technology, social policy, etc., and only then, answering the question about the ways their achievements develop plans.
And everything that is happening now is Krylov's swan, cancer and pike, pulling our wagon worth 39 trillion to the budgets of their clans. How can we talk about some kind of planning, if, apart from general slogans and cliches, none of the masters of these 39 trillion will be able to answer the question - what will Russia be like in some 30 years! And without a global, grounded, interconnected goal-setting, all this is just a repetition of all our past years of "planning" ...

[Profiler]

The State Council, the State Planning Committee, state capitalism - is this Russia's choice?

When reading a combination such as "planning system (economics) "and"capitalism", no one has a feeling of a certain dissonance?

[Dante Alighieri]

When reading such a combination as "planned system (economy)" and "capitalism", no one has a feeling of a certain dissonance?

A wonderful new world gives rise to a hitherto unprecedented variety of various combinations, each of which is nothing more than an attempt to explain the changing reality in a terminology that we understand. This is me, as the person who defended my master's work on neo-feudalism, I say.

[Profiler]

Quote: Dante

A wonderful new world gives rise to a hitherto unprecedented variety of various combinations, each of which is nothing more than an attempt to explain the changing reality in a terminology that we understand. This is me, as the person who defended my master's work on neo-feudalism, I say.

I, in turn, as a practicing psychologist, can state that this is nothing but a host of confused thoughts in the minds of people exposed by the authorities and obliged to serve one goal - to ensure the vital activity of the state.

But instead of that - throwing, throwing, throwing ...

[Kart]

For 30 years, a host of confused thoughts. And the state still lives and is not going to die, on the contrary.
I, in turn, as a programmer, do not see logic in your words.

[Profiler]

Quote: Carte

I, in turn, as a programmer, do not see logic in your words.

Psychology and mathematics, several difference environments.

[Dante Alighieri]

And the state still lives and is not going to die, on the contrary.

So no one talked about death, but rather about marking time or aimless random movement wherever they look.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

By the way, the tovarisch programmer forgot about one state that disappeared in 1917 and about another in 1991. And the better is the current state relative to the last two, given that the Russian Federation carries the disadvantages of both and none of their advantages is a mystery. And yes, you have to be a complete programmer so as not to see the colossal problems of modern Russia. And the fact that no energy is observed in solving these problems. And this means, in the end, again it is necessary to run in 10 years what others have passed in 100 or they will crush us. Well, or the disintegration of the Russian Federation, in which to believe more because we do not have "such a party".

[Vladimir Mashkov]

I have lived most of my life in the USSR, I remember everything well and regret that it was destroyed and not reformed. I do not really like what is happening today, I see a great many of today's shortcomings. Some of them, I must say, migrated from the USSR.

Socialism, unfortunately, is not visible on the horizon. There is nothing to say about communism: it is very distant perspective. Yes, and today I do not see anyone at all who could push Russia in this direction. Shallow figures.

And you need to live today, today! Yes, there is capitalism in Russia today. But is it not so infinitely shameless as in the USA, Canada, England? Power is offered by the State Council, the State Planning Committee (called a little differently), state capitalism and a government with high social responsibility towards the population with its own Russian specifics. Is it bad in of today situations? Indeed, in many countries of the world, governments have set the task of building welfare societies. China is building something similar. Can't change today capitalism in Russia for socialism? Not capable? Stop talking in vain, roll up your sleeves and start improve what is now in the country! After all, this is your country too!

The government's plans are not bad... We need to help good beginnings. Seek their implementation. And, of course, criticize the shortcomings. Do not grumble for no reason, do not criticize, but criticize flaws... If you are patriots of Russiaand not God knows who.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Can't you change capitalism in Russia to socialism today? Not capable? Stop talking in vain, roll up your sleeves and start improving what is now in the country!

I can imagine how your speech would have sounded in ancient Rome in front of slaves.
"Can't you change the slave system in Rome to feudalism today? Can't you? Stop talking in vain, roll up your sleeves and start improving what is now in the country!" A wonderful proposal, forge yourself channels and build ergasterias.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

A slave is one who all the time sadly thinks only of his own slavery!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

A blow to the back with a whip will quickly return you from the land of your fantasies to the real world.

[vlfors]

Sometimes it seems to me that "Psychology" is a pseudoscience that has no connection with real life.

[depressant]

Your comment, Kart's colleague, elicited a grin. Do you know what the actions of a professional programmer are? You know, of course! Provide code redundancy to every little piece of the program. Taking advantage of the fact that your manager does not understand anything about programming. And if you ask for a salary increase and you get fired for this, hiring a cheaper programmer, he, the poor fellow, will never stick into your program, and the company management will have to endure for years until the hired programmer rewrites it, supplying it with his own redundancy program code. Or, not having the resource of time, he will dismiss the employee and will turn to you again, offering what you asked for. Or more.
Something similar is also happening in our economy. Only the government is ashamed to admit that its "new" is a thoroughly forgotten, well-worked old, which could have worked perfectly if the Soviet government did not hand over the program for the development of its own Internet in the old years, read the digitalization of the economy, which was shamefully surrendered to the Americans back in the 70s last century.

[vlfors]

Yah? Judging by your words, you don’t fucking know what real “professional programmers” do. And I doubt that you are our “colleague”.
1. Why do we need a leader who "does not understand programming" !? Maybe in the state. companies this is possible. But a company that is really developing such a head is evil! Yes, there is a business (employer) and they may not understand programming, but between them there must be a person who understands the subject area and programming (usually they are called business analysts, team leads, etc.).

2. The so-called "piece of program code redundancy". How managers don't like tests. The so-called redundant code serves to ensure product reliability. Real software development has long ceased to be a purely creative activity of individuals. It has become an engineering that also goes through the concept, architecture, prototyping, coding and testing stages. So the so-called "redundant code" can be part of the architecture, tests and other trifles.

3. If the manager cannot ensure the interchangeability of personnel, then this is the problem of the "manager", not the programmer. And it is necessary to drive such a leader to hell.

4. "Cheap Programmer" haa. Thank you for their existence. As long as I have them, I will always have a job). Because after such programmers, the system crashes so that you start looking for offices that will fix their "shit". And we will take several times more expensive than the "old programmer" cost.

Programmers have a saying "don't touch it" because they understand how difficult it is to "rebuild" a complex system. Unlike all sorts of "effective managers" and psychologists, who in life did not make a chair more difficult. And each new feature requires detailed elaboration, tests, modeling, and not "just break and build a new one."

[IS-80_RVGK2]

The programmer and logic are two different entities that quite often do not intersect from the word at all. Moreover, most programmers nowadays rivet curves of buggy sites and multi-gigabyte monstrous software with functionality two plus two equals five.

[don carleone]

The point is that the psychologist is also a communist. And he considers this his ideology to be the ultimate truth. And he absolutely does not understand that any ideology is false, because. is fiction, including false and communist. Although, again, in any ideology, you can find something good. And a wise ruler is obliged to seek out this good and bring it to life.

[Dante Alighieri]

But instead of that - throwing, throwing, throwing ...

I partially agree with you. On the face of an attempt to drive nails with a microscope. Well, we do not have adequate terms describing the current or desired reality, so we will use what we have. The main thing is more pathos, and what lies behind it, in essence, is not so important. Although, I will note from my experience, with the proper desire and zeal, it is possible to bring a theoretical basis for almost any phenomenon of social life, but who needs it? Enthusiasts like me? No, thank you.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Profiler

I, in turn, as a practicing psychologist, can state that this is nothing more than a host of confused thoughts in the minds of people

Well, as a practicing psychologist, explain to us how more than 200 million people were deceived? How many of us wanted the collapse of the USSR, and happily danced on the carcass of a defeated bear?

[Insurgent]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, as a practicing psychologist, explain to us how more than 200 million people were deceived?

You demand something like this from a fellow psychologist (inexplicable:

The theoretical physicist got into the zone, enters the cell, and Pahan asks him:

- Who will you be in life?
- Theoretical physicist.
- Sit down, physicist. What are you doing now?
- I am sitting.
- What am I doing?
- You are standing.
- What is Khmyr doing?
- He's lying.
- Here you explain to me, as a physicist, why for those who are free, we are all sitting ???

[hydrox]

Such dissonance (and somewhere in the lower abdomen) is clearly felt only in liberoids. The statesmen are outraged only by pushing through the thicket, if there is quite an acceptable gravel road from the 20s of the last century close to the side, and let liberoids burst through the thicket if they want to catch the train

[Kart]

Quote: hydrox

not far from the side there is a quite acceptable gravel road from the 20s of the last century,

She was good for the last century. Now the transport is different

[hydrox]

There is no need to la-la about transport, if the route has not been laid, there are no roads and are not foreseen, intermediate points have not been determined and it is not known what people will eat on this route (shops are also questionable, because they are transnational) ...

[Jarilo]

I worked for a multinational company. So there these plans are from quarterly and higher. KPIs are also plans. You listen to the liberals more - they will advise you. The difference in our plans and capitalist ones is only in the fact that we had a state plan, and they have plans for corporations and individual enterprises based on market research (marketing). And what the perestroika did by canceling the state plan and not creating departments for researching the market at enterprises is either stupidity or a deliberate action to bankrupt a huge number of enterprises tied to the state plan. Rather, a deliberate action, since American advisers were involved in this, and they understood this for sure.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Rather associations. With the third Reich.

[Archon]

Large corporations and companies use a planning system

[Dante Alighieri]

First, taking into account the opinions of scientists, practitioners, techies, we must determine the goals that should be achieved in 5, 10, 50 years in education, science, demography, production, technology, social policy, etc., and only then, answering the question about the ways their achievements develop plans.

So Glazyev, while still being an adviser to the president, did just that. He gathered a group of 14 people, which included economists, lawyers, sociologists. All respected professionals and doctors of science in their fields. After that, they jointly created a report "On the deep causes of the growing chaos and measures to overcome the economic crisis" where the key problems of the Russian state and society were described in detail, ways to overcome them were proposed, and a detailed forecast of the country's development was given if these measures will not be accepted even if the implementation of the anti-crisis scenario is started.

The fate of this undertaking was very sad. The liberals in the government raised a terrible howl on the topic that the measures proposed by the presidential adviser Glazyev are directed against the free market and competition, are undemocratic and generally anti-human. As a result, Glazyev was asked to leave his post, in which he was replaced by Andrei Belousov, who, like his predecessor, offered the business to share super profits. After that, Alexei Kudrin, who, although not a member of the government, was also invited to this meeting, fell upon him right at the meeting of members of the government chaired by the president. After the catch-up received from the "main economic ideologist of the Kremlin" Belousov had to apologize publicly for his statements. True, the fate of Andrei Removich turned out to be better than that of Sergei Yuryevich, he retained his post, and later in February 2020 was invited to the new government under the leadership of Mishustin, where he took the post of his first deputy, which gives rise to certain hopes, however, given the previous experience, very, very modest.

[depressant]

- Aha! I will add gloatingly. - I remember this scandal, when Andrei Removich, while still in the position of an adviser to the president, offered the oligarchs a joint team to unfasten the state for the needs of 500 billion rubles from the excess profits they generated. How loudly they howled! Like ghouls. The entire press reproduced this howl in the detail of overtones, and horror spread throughout the country.
And what a howl was raised when, in the first decade of 2019, Andrei Removich, again being an adviser to the president, worriedly raised the issue that there is a threat to the national economy in the future due to the growth of consumer lending. The conditions for lending to the population are such that they stimulate imports and mortgages. Imports exclude the development of local industry, and mortgages lead to the loss of housing if you lose your job. In conditions when the local industry cannot dig out of the graves due to the dominance of imports, it is impossible to find an equivalent job if a job is lost.
Recently I was asked on one of the forums what I mean by the production of things. And this is what I mean - small local industry, which has not been put in a coffin for a long time and even flowers have not been put.

[hydrox]

Gloating, colleague?
I am pleased to join you!

[depressant]

Colleague hydrox, this gloating through tears. The country is being crushed by stuck-on parasites that originated in it back in Soviet times - ticks, such as are found on stray dogs. Sucked on dog blood, they swell to incredible sizes, like wineskins. It's time for them to fall off, and the country - to stop being a stray dog ​​looking for an ideological refuge. Below I will express my suggestions - I need to finish reading the forum.

[hydrox]

And here, colleague, a completely bad situation has developed, that the people are the very dog ​​(i.e. we are with you), which is sucked by the liberda living on this very people, therefore there are no alternatives :: or they will suck us dry , or we will find a way to get rid of them :: and it should be. not repellents (scaring away), but acaricides (destruction!).
And we can begin to live only when all liber-ticks are destroyed or removed outside the sanitary zone, i.e. abroad.

[depressant]

That is why, colleague hydrox, I, as always, following my unbearable tediousness, cannot do without advice from the State Council - sorry for the pun.

1. At the official level, it is recognized that the program for import substitution of agricultural products has failed. The country cannot do without the import of vegetables, fruits, milk, butter and meat, which our farmers could saturate the consumer market. And, anticipating the outraged cries, I argue that the situation with the failure was only partly due to the desire of many regions to enter the external market. Suffice it to say that even in the context of the termination of milk supplies to China from the Far Eastern regions, the import of palm oil into our country exceeded all previous indicators. It follows that there is not enough milk for the production of high-grade butter. Seeds are generally a matter of national security of the state.

I propose to create an Selkhozbank for lending at low interest rates and for a period of at least 10 years:

1. Farmers engaged in breeding meat and dairy herds.
2. Farmers engaged in the production of chickens, turkey poults, other breeds of poultry from eggs in incubators.
3. Farmers engaged in the production of early vegetables.
3. Farms engaged in the production of zoned seeds.

Farmers will complete this list.

Further. I propose to the State Council to attend to the creation of a network of agricultural cooperation:
Vegetable storages and refrigeration enterprises, where farm products that are not demanded by our foreign "Pyaterochka" can flow.

Establishment of enterprises for the production of semi-finished products and canned food at vegetable stores and refrigerators.

Creation of a network of cooperative stores in all cities and villages, in which exclusively farm products will be sold, and not foreign-made with the possibility of trading products from one region in another.

Creation of markets in cities, for which the name "Kolkhozny" will be left. Those that only local farmers can trade on, and not guests from other countries. More than enough has already been created for guests.

It is necessary to impose restrictions on the activities of Selkhozbank. And now how? Loan for a maximum of 3 years. The farmer failed to meet this deadline because of the brutal interest and the peculiarities of the weather - give the farm to the bank, which behaves like a parasite when the immune system is weakened - it devours, and when it devours, it destroys.

This is not all that I would like to say, but so far in agriculture. Tired of watching a farmer drive up to the "Five", open the trunk, and there is a sausage of his own production. Having regular customers, he sells everything. And then there are milkmen.

[hydrox]

Well!
Literally everything (except for taxation) falls under the concept of "people's capitalism" and there will be no need for any lice, ticks and worms called traders "(in the Soviet way" speculators "), who cleanse agricultural producers into cowards, and deceive the state for all the profits generated on stolen from the people means of storage and processing of agricultural products.

[depressant]

That's right, colleague hydrox!
Moreover, I propose to build a symbiosis of storage with processing in each district together with a vehicle fleet as a joint stock company in which only farmers will be shareholders. A fleet of trucks and refrigerators in order to go around farmers who do not have their own vehicles of the required level and collect products.
Please note that the measures I propose do not threaten the state politically. After all, farmers, by their psychology, are a petty-bourgeois stratum, not prone to unrest, if everything is fine with them. And personally, I don't care who saturates the counters with quality products - the collective farmers who still exist - the flag in their hands and well-being in the house! Or farmers - and all the best!
I'm worried about monsters like Miratorg and the like. They are trying to take a monopoly position on the food market, suppress the farming movement by lobbying laws in the State Duma, manipulating prices and at the same time not very high quality. Suffice it to say that last year Miratorg announced an increase in prices for its products by 10%, but the Duma did not object, and the antimonopoly department did not strain. Maybe this year, due to the coronavirus, they were held back.
But the small business in the production of things is considered by our authorities as a political problem. This is a very difficult question.

[hydrox]

Quote: depressant

But the small business in the production of things is considered by our authorities as a political problem. This is a very difficult question.

This is not a difficult question, this is a question that is very easy to reach for any corrupt rural administrator, bureaucrat or security official. Moreover, this is a question that is VERY EASY to disguise as the possession of a relative (how many millions of such companies as of "today" are already registered (Tsapki from Kushchevka, Postrigan from Klin are already encyclopedic examples!))
And the production of food products is typically "people's capitalism" and in all countries it is exactly that - why should Russia get out of the general row here ?!
Actually, a century and a half have passed since the creation of "Capital", a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, much has changed in time and in people's lives ...

[depressant]

Food production also has its own problems in the light of the upcoming land reform, which is only named, but does not manifest itself in any way. Apparently, they are being finalized.
Well, look.
Russia has agricultural land in the amount of 383,2 million hectares. Of these, only 125 million hectares are used for their intended purpose. This means that more than 200 million hectares are "walking", overgrown with small forests. Not far from my house, ten years ago, a tree appeared, an outgrowth of a felled one - the car bent it down and stood on it all winter, but it survived and is now higher than the neighboring three-story building! Can you imagine what is being done on non-sown fields? Will farmers take this? No, they won't. Because you have to cut open woodland and uproot tree stumps, which is very expensive. But landlords will take it, in other words, landlords. They have enough capital to put the land in order. They will take it and start giving it to farmers on enslaving terms. And since our farmers, to put it mildly, are not particularly monetary, they will begin to hand over our land to the Chinese, without even putting it in order, and those, having cut down and uprooted it - the Chinese have enough money for everything, they will begin to ruin it, producing mountains of food stuffed with their harsh Chinese chemistry, and thus ditching our own farming.
This is the problem!
And it is not only for farmers, but also for the health of the entire population. That is why I am talking about the need for the Selkhozbank.

[hydrox]

And I don’t mind, but I consider it obligatory to have a mortgage Land Bank, but it will not give development to landlords.
But all that now needs to be done with the deposits must be done by the state - this is where the true farmers will appear: After all, the sale of agricultural products is reflected in the financial documents issued by the Agricultural Cooperative for the products delivered?
And what about the earth?
It just belongs to the state and is issued for use and accountable management

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Farmers again? I remember this was one of the slogans of the liberals. Like private farmers will come instead of ineffective collective farms and flood the whole country with food. And then it suddenly turned out that in reality agricultural holdings are ruled by the same collective farms, but only capitalist ones, because labor productivity and efficiency are immeasurably higher than an individual private farmer. Patriots are sometimes so indistinguishable in their rhetoric from liberals that you start to get confused about them.

[hydrox]

And do not get confused: everything that is included in the PARTY program documents should be checked every 3 years according to the documents of the tax inspection, compared with the quantity and quality (!!) of laws, Decrees and Resolutions, and compared with the social division of labor and participation in the production of the collective gross product - however, it is necessary that RosStat was not "What do you want?" - and party wishlist will be visible at a glance.

[hydrox]

Just look at what nonsense (I mean the headline) propaganda slips us: at the same time, please note that propaganda is NOT popular, NOT national, NOT state, but simply imperious - but after all, our government is not people's (I AM NOT ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY, BUT ABOUT LEGISLATIVE !!!).
Why did PEOPLE'S capitalism drop out of this list? And this is in a country that has traditions that are more agrarian than industrial, and in lands that have been the object of enmity between the people and landlords for 30 years - after all, a real war and with hundreds of deaths, thousands of ruined destinies and billions of funds lost by the country because of the ugly "Law on Land", which did not give land to the farmer-owner, but handed it over to the landowner-bloodsucker and speculator-trader, in addition, providing land turnover with banks, mortgages, leasing, committees, land management, etc. "tying", though unfit, but still laws.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

How naive is this belief in the correct capitalist economists. I wonder how many global economic crises humanity will have to go through with colossal sacrifices before it finally begins to think with the very body that is intended for this.

[depressant]

No, colleague, IS-80_ RVGK2, there is no naive belief in the prudence of capitalist economists. There is an understanding that the instinct of self-preservation should finally work for them.
On the other hand, they led the situation to a dead end. For example, the upcoming land reform. If it goes as planned, and the signs of the idea are already showing up, then over time this will inevitably lead to the collapse of the country. After all, it has already been announced that the land will in fact belong to those who live on it and conduct economic activities.
And what do we actually see in this regard?
For example, the scientist Konstantin Grigorichev says that “there is actually an appropriation of huge plots of land and how relations from“ legal ”are transformed into“ informal. ”A kind of“ life outside the state ”is emerging."
What does this very "life outside the state" mean? Representatives of some unknown, but very rich personality come to the taiga, seize a gigantic area of ​​hundreds of square kilometers, and place threatening signs around the perimeter. And now there are dwellings in which guards and servants settle, hired scientists-ichthyologists arrive by helicopters (off-road!), The river at the mouth is blocked by a chain-link - property! - and scientists begin to fish it by breeding and launching fry. And nowhere are there any documents on the property! The district and regional, and even the republican administrations are silent! And no protest over the misappropriation of state property in the form of land. And nearby there is another such economy, more and more ... False owners communicate with each other, they are united, and no one knows what is actually happening on this territory. And, it turns out, this happens not only in the taiga - everywhere. Such is the life outside the state, as a result of which the state, which has missed the moment, loosens, melts like snow, reaching out to every ordinary citizen, but missing from the sphere of its attention a whole layer of what is born underground and not for his good.
And then - land reform, and, rest assured, all these lands appropriated illegally will be formalized according to all the rules.
And then the question is: who appropriates? We have 89 national entities, and according to the latest data, there are already more than a hundred. And it may well turn out that the state land, on which a citizen of the Russian Federation of any nationality has the right to live, will turn out to be the property of people only of local nationality, and on the basis of formal law they can say to each "outsider": "Please go out!" Which can lead to the collapse of the country over time.
These are the acute questions that arise in connection with the beginning of the work of the State Council. I would like to ask: "Are you in power or where?"

And the farmers ... Yes, under Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin there were 3,5 million individual farmers, in our opinion - farmers! And the widest network of their service! And you, colleague, it turns out, is a supporter of Khrushchev, who announced that distilled socialism had been built, killed Stalin's feverism and thus initiated the assassination of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: depressant

There is an understanding that the instinct of self-preservation should finally work for them.

Or shouldn't. Because a catastrophe is once there far away, and competitors are here already ready to bypass you and rob you.

Quote: depressant

And the farmers ... Yes, under Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin there were 3,5 million individual farmers, in our opinion - farmers! And the widest network of their service! And you, colleague, it turns out, is a supporter of Khrushchev, who announced that distilled socialism had been built, killed Stalin's feverism and thus initiated the assassination of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Stalin had a backward agrarian economy with shitty science and industry. Do you remind me for what purpose Stalin carried out collectivization and why was it needed at all? And then listen to you Stalin was a supporter of capitalism and even a backward method of management with a bunch of individual farmers. And do not exaggerate, and under Stalin there were enough problems. And the system that developed under him, when, in fact, the power in the country was in the hands of the party nomenklatura and with which he could not do anything ultimately led to 1991. Khrushchev, on the other hand, proved incapable of leading the state, much less pushing it forward. It is not worth demonizing him, although for the mess that was organized with his submission, in principle, he could at least be sent to Siberia to master the vastness.

[depressant]

I won't remind you anything, colleague! Judging by the slats, you have been on the VO site for 4 years. During this time, the Stalinist economy was discussed more than once or twice by Authors and commentators. Raise old topics, everything is sorted out to the molecular state.
And if you don't like all this, offer your own! To the extent of my weak strength and reason, I proposed to the State Council the idea of ​​creating an Selkhozbank. I will offer more ideas. It is important for me that my country survives in a whirlwind of political anomaly, breaks out of it without loss.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: depressant

During this time, the Stalinist economy was discussed more than once or twice by Authors and commentators.

Do you propose to dig up a bunch of engaged material mixed with the opinion of the lowest kind of dilettantes who use their heads just to eat them and then shout slogans? Thank you, but I probably will not do this, I do not want to waste time on nonsense. And yet I think you perfectly understood my point. And they realized they were wrong, at least regarding the farmers. And your good wishes are simply impracticable.

Quote: depressant

And if you don't like all this, offer your own!

My suggestion is to stop doing bullshit and look for ways to build socialism instead of this manilovism with attempts to build a kind of chimera of correct capitalism.

[depressant]

Colleague, that's what I do.
I understand that anger speaks in you. He's bubbling in me too. The payment was sent for electricity, and there were more than 2000 rubles! This is with one working refrigerator and phone, I don't use anything else. But I cannot make it so that all this ... I don’t know how to put it mildly - a venal shobla, or something, together with Putin, bankers and oligarchs, the devil took it into oblivion. I can not! We have to work with what we have, somehow persuade them, persuade them, shame them, pretending that I consider them to be people - in the hope that maybe someday it will come to them, realizing that it will never reach them.
I just do what I can. But if others can and are willing to do more, why not? Why is all their anger directed at me and not at the address?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: depressant

Why is all their anger directed at me and not at the address?

My comment is not directed against you. And against your delusions. And not only yours. I myself, relatively recently, considered a lot of all sorts of nonsense to be correct.

[your1970]

Quote: depressant

The payment was sent for electricity, and there were more than 2000 rubles! This is with one working refrigerator and phone, I don't use anything else.

The phone practically does not consume energy, even if it is connected to an outlet (caller ID, charging, etc.)
I hesitate to ask, do you have a counter?
I have 2 TVs, 2 freezers, a 2-chamber refrigerator, a kettle, a microwave oven, a grill, a slow cooker, a computer, 4 5 lamp chandeliers, 2 3 lamp chandeliers, periodically welding / grinder 2 kW / other power tools ...
All together this good consumes about 450-500 rubles a month ...
To wind 2000, the grinder must not be turned off for half a month or the kettle must not be turned off ...

You have some obvious bullshit ..

[hydrox]

And who said that they are correct?
Look at Gaidar, Yasin, Chubais, Siluyanov, Nabiullina, Mau and all these "Chicago boys" and compare them with their "achievements" in the field of the national economy in terms of GDP growth - a thief in a thief in terms of privatization and loans-for-shares auctions !!!

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Well, what, what, and we know how to make plans On this, perhaps, everything

[AUL]

Quote: nnm

And everything that is happening now is Krylov's swan, cancer and pike,

Looking at the activities of our leadership, more and more often I remember the brilliant visionary I.A. Krylova - "Quartet", "Swan, Cancer and Pike", "Cat and Cook", "Monkey and Glasses" ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: nnm

Until a plan for the development of all sectors of the life of the state is drawn up, in which these sectors will not be interconnected

And here it becomes extremely difficult to lie about the fact that the planned economy is evil. And to lie about the fact that capitalism is a wonderful economic system and better not be even harder. By the way, the mentioned national programs have always made a painful impression on me with their inferiority. Continuous patching of holes without any systematicity. Although it is worth thinking a little and you understand that everything is very strongly interconnected and it is really possible to radically change the situation in one or another branch of the economy and some area of ​​society's life only by developing a bunch of others interconnected. And some problems in the capitalist system cannot be solved at all. In particular, the problem with demographics. Well, except that the importation of conditional blacks in marketable quantities.

[Vadim237]

In the region of 30 trillion in the worst case and 50 trillion in the optimistic case.

[hydrox]

And you are not alone ... you can boast of having common sense.
Because as soon as a complete dumbbell with a gigantic backpack of social problems will jump over a mountain stream, mistaking it for a dry stream (choosing a place wider, but boggle!).
Again, many of us would prefer to walk at night along an unfamiliar road after the guide, but this would be acceptable only when we were all sure that he had a map and a searchlight on his shoulder, and there, it turns out, there is only a conductor's lantern with an extinguished candle, and smoked fish from NZ is wrapped in the route map.
This I mean that the bulldozer of socialism broke down halfway (the path is already overgrown with birches), but again there is a suspicion that state capitalism is a dead-end path (since it is in the interests of capitalists, even state ones). But NOBODY says anything about people's capitalism, because it is PEOPLE, but somehow without going through the "people's stage" it is somehow scary to enter the "state stage" (and I don't really want to with such 5 and 6 columns deployed into combat orders under the canopy of Western standards) do not want to, and the question - why so quickly put an end to "people's capitalism" in the mid-20s of the last century - has not yet been clarified.
Was this really done "according to the behests of Lenin" ??
Then why does Russia fly along an untrodden path like a Formula 1 car at the circuit ??

[dSK]

In November (2020), the number of freight trains operating on China-Europe international rail routes increased by 64% year-on-year to 1 trains.
China is preparing to commission new Fuxing high-speed trains. CR300 will now move at speeds up to 350 kilometers per hour. The new trains will soon start operating on the railways linking Hangzhou and Shenzhen, Lianyungang and Zhenjiang.
There are about 700 000G base stations in China. This is more than double the total number in all the rest of the world ...

[Dante Alighieri]

In China, not a state. capitalism, everything is much more complicated there. The Chinese are allowed to receive super profits, but in return they are deprived of their political rights and undertake to follow the orders of the CCP in everything, which is entirely on socialist principles. This is how the symbiosis of undercapitalism and undersocialism turns out, which, however, is quite normal for the Chinese society, which has been quietly combining legism and Confucianism for thousands of years.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dante

This is how the symbiosis of undercapitalism and undersocialism turns out

They get a successful symbiosis.

[Dante Alighieri]

They get a successful symbiosis.

I do not argue, however, as I have already noted above, it is quite natural for the Chinese society to unite together, it would seem, non-unified. True, I'm afraid this is a purely national specifics, which can hardly be applied anywhere else. At least our national specifics are somewhat different - stepping on a rake and getting bumps. State socialism did not suit us, so we will cost the state. capitalism, although it is already clear that normal capitalism will not work on the current foundation, so maybe the point is not in different -isms, but in a specific state, where no matter what party is created, the CPSU still turns out?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dante

then we will cost the state. capitalism......,

This is not state capitalism. It is being built something between the "black colonels" and Musolini, with an admixture of class and clannishness.

[Dante Alighieri]

This is not state capitalism. It is being built something between the "black colonels" and Musolini, with an admixture of class and clannishness.

I understand this, I just use the terminology that the initiators of these projects themselves appeal to

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dante

I understand this, I just use the terminology that the initiators of these projects themselves appeal to

This is understandable, I read your comments, I understand. The question is whether society will be able to oppose something to this or not. Personally, I am inclined to think that under the pretext of fighting Navalny and other "liberals" we will very soon be urged to unite all together, against an external threat, regardless of the situation in society, income, and other "insignificant things." What is the name of this solidarity, you know better than me. Soon, the "Aesopian language" will again come into use, by the way, this is already noticeable in the journalists of opposition channels.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

we will very soon be urged to unite

Damn, this solidarity between the oligarch and the miner has been promoted for a long time. And you say they will ask.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Damn, this solidarity between the oligarch and the miner has been promoted for a long time. And you say they will ask.

They are promoting, and there are candidates for the blackshirts. So I say, they will persistently ask. They will make the new nineties and the "Great Leader" will save us all, all with the same "Orthodox and spiritually strong" Abramovichs, Potanins, Rotenbergs and other "best people".

[hydrox]

Solidarity cannot be "promoted" in any way: it should arise as a mutually acceptable social necessity: on the one hand, it restricts the capitalist's appetite, on the other hand, it provides an acceptable level of wages and incomes for the "non-capitalist" presidents and their family members - this is a kind of social contract that prevents social explosion.
Today's business with this is bad enough and no light is visible against the background of 20 million beggars and 20 million simply poor, despite the fact that the number of billionaires has increased again, and the property stolen from the people continues to remain in the hands of criminals (and now also criminal heads (this this is how the ownership of the thinking ability acts in a peculiar way (the old man K. Marx directly pointed to this as a generic feature of capitalism)

[Svarog]

Quote: Dante

So maybe the point is not in different -isms, but in a specific state

It's about specific people.

[Comrade I]

Specific people do not fall from the moon either.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dante

So maybe the point is not in different -isms, but in a specific state, where no matter what party is created, it still turns out the CPSU?

The point is isms. And the specificity of individual countries within the economic system is in many ways nothing more than decoration.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

In fact, there is state capitalism there. And National Socialism in addition. Here is such a "socialism with Chinese characteristics."

[hydrox]

This cry of yours can only be acceptable in one case: what are the goals pursued by China, breaking into world leaders at such a pace, if only less than 10% of China's population have the opportunity to receive meager pensions, while there are train masses on which there is no one ride, and dozens of megalopolises have been built (they are completely ready for life, but unpopulated!), in which TO SOMEONE [i] [/ i] live. Can you suggest an explanation for this paradox?

[dSK]

Quote: hydrox

if only less than 10% of China's population has the opportunity to receive meager pensions,

The living wage in villages in China rose 11,3%. The annual rate per person in 2020 was 5 yuan (842 thousand rubles), the Ministry of Civil Administration of the PRC said ...

[Kart]

This is the whole point. You can say anything, the head will not fall off.
Comrades working in China say something quite different.

[hydrox]

Do you live in the Russian Federation for 60 sput./year (with the average civil (non-noble and non-Kholui) 10-12 sput./year !!!)?
PS Try to force yourself to tell the truth ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: hydrox

Do you live in Russia for 60 sput / year?
PS Try to force yourself to tell the truth ...

Weird question. Do you want to say that it is difficult to live on 60 thousand in Russia?

[hydrox]

Read carefully:: 60 THOUSAND RUB. in year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: hydrox

Read carefully :: 60 THOUSAND RUB. in year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Accepted, guilty. In the Russian Federation, no. And how they live there in China - I have no idea.

[hydrox]

Here I must say this: the rate of growth of the well-being of the people in China is increasing much faster than this process drags into the Russian Federation through the stump-deck ...
China is also big and there is no ice in the countryside either, but in industry it is better than ours. Therefore, Liberdian drooling and snot about the penny prices of smartphones and shoes, as they may be in production in Russia, will soon become a fairy tale for overly mentally gifted people kept in special reservations.

[Mishka78]

Let's clarify. The growth rate of the welfare of Chinese citizens is higher than the rate of negative growth in the welfare of the citizens of the Russian Federation.

Until 2014, we really had positive growth, but since then the vector has changed and now we have negative growth (well, except for billionaires, of whom there are more and more and more and more billions).

[hydrox]

Why negative? Maybe they are equal in absolute value - I didn't measure ...

[Mishka78]

For a start:

The continuing decline in real disposable income of the population has become the most protracted in recent Russian history. In 2018, this indicator showed a decrease for the fifth year in a row (taking into account the lump-sum cash payment to pensioners made in January 2017). In general, over 5 years, the real drop in income was 10,8% from the level of 2013, taking into account the lump sum and 10,7% excluding it.
https://ac.gov.ru/files/publication/a/20946.pdf
Those. this is the official data of the Russian government for 2019.

And here is 2020:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/17/07/2020/5f119dad9a79475dd1458eeb
The real disposable income of Russians fell record-breaking due to the pandemic.
Their reduction has become a record in the XNUMXst century.
The real disposable income of Russians in the second quarter of 2020, which was the brunt of the pandemic crisis, fell by 8% on an annualized basis, according to Rosstat data. This is a record drop since 1999.

Those. if we add up the numbers (although this is not entirely correct), then in comparison with 2013 we are poorer by a little less than 20%.

Well, again, using modern Newspeak, we had a negative growth in income.

[hydrox]

Not bad, not bad: this, of course, is not analytics yet, but already a selection of textures suitable for working with figures

[hydrox]

Eh, the filthy liberda got worried, minus!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And there is no paradox here. We look at the light elven west with the reference capitalism of the USA. And, ba, what do we see? There are several vacant houses for every homeless person. Congratulations, now you know that there is no socialism in China.

[your1970]

Quote: hydrox

why they put an end to “people's capitalism” so lightning fast in the mid-20s has not yet been explained.

What is not clear to you? As soon as the people - "new bourgeois" under the NEP - money, big money - immediately began frantic corruption ...
Funds allocated to state-owned enterprises immediately went to the left (just like in 1986, funds began to go to cooperatives).
Well, the bureaucracy began to resolve issues for money. Who will get a freebie faster - the owner of the cooperative who brought a bribe or the director of the plant did not bring anything ??
Stalin managed to slam this gadyushnik in time, in the 80s they nicknamed and profited the country ...

[Civil]

It is quite possible to recreate tsarism in its stupidest manifestation:
1. Autocracy.
2. New nobles, already the third generation of the elite of the 90s, receive key posts.
3. Clogged and rapidly degrading rabble.
4. Restrictions on the formation of the majority.
5. Restriction on the availability of quality medicine.
6. Senate (State Council) to carry out unpopular and even more anti-people reforms.
7. Decoration in the form of Parliament (State Duma).

All this is neo-feudalism. If the previous feudalism was a social system preceding capitalism, which is based on the property of the feudal lords to land and other means of production, to peasant farmers who are in serfdom, as well as the right of feudal lords to exercise state power on their territory.
In its new version, neo-feudalism is degraded capitalism, which is based on the ownership of the elite on land and other means of production, on the rights and freedoms of the population who are financially dependent, as well as the right of new feudal lords to exercise state power on their territory.

All this undoubtedly leads to an even greater confrontation between non-feudal lords and the plundered population. The elite will have to increase the loyalty pay of the mercenary army. Only the power structures, in this state of affairs, can ensure the security of the built structure of the late medieval society in the 21st century. This works well in the medium term, examples are abundant in Africa and Asia, but sooner or later some part of society is radicalized in search of justice. That is, it is quite reasonable to wait for some "Narodnaya Volya" members and unrest in the army is quite possible. But this is irrelevant. Lenin's experiment to try to translate an immature peasant society into an industrial one failed. The society has rapidly returned to the previous stage of development. Having built a late feudal system convenient for themselves.

[Dante Alighieri]

Someday I will muster up the courage and lay out my works on neo-feudalism for a public court, although this will deprive me of my incognito, but it may be a little clearer for the townsfolk what he really means by himself. I am not saying that everything that you Vadim described is wrong, on the contrary, all this takes place, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Civil]

Quote: Dante

Someday I will muster up the courage and lay out my works on neo-feudalism for a public court, although this will deprive me of my incognito, but it may be a little clearer for the townsfolk what he really means by himself. I am not saying that everything that you Vadim described is wrong, on the contrary, all this takes place, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

As if I have not touched on the main theory yet. I support the opinion of James Watson (who decoded dna) "human evolution did not go (goes) at the same speed in all points of human habitation." For example, it makes little sense to blame society for underdevelopment in Afghanistan or Zimbabwe if the majority of individuals are at a previous stage of mental functioning. And IQ has nothing to do with it.

[Dante Alighieri]

human evolution did not go (goes) at the same speed in all points of human habitation

It goes without saying. But personally, I approached the understanding of neofoedalism as a reactionary phenomenon, inscribing it into the general theory of classical political economy, where it took its place on a par with fascism. This is, if very, very brief.

[Civil]

Quote: Dante

It goes without saying. But personally, I approached the understanding of neofoedalism as a reactionary phenomenon, inscribing it into the general theory of classical political economy, where it took its place on a par with fascism. This is, if very, very brief.

Interestingly, he always considered "fascism" a special case of usurpation of power over the state, a group of populist politicians for personal enrichment under the guise of delusional ideas. The same Goering lived and did not observe any rules of Nazi Germany, he took money when and how much he wanted, decorated his personal housing with state property. That is, under the guise of "serious business" they were engaged in desperate burning of life. The same can be said about Mussolini with his sign "Friends to everyone else is the law."

[Dante Alighieri]

He always considered "fascism" as a special case of usurpation of power over the state, by a group of populist politicians for personal enrichment under the guise of delusional ideas.

Well, in my research, I relied on the work of researchers of the Soviet period devoted to fascist regimes (for example, A.A. Galkin "German fascism" - M .: Nauka, 1989), who quite unambiguously interpreted them as the most radical and reactionary form of capitalism, and the arguments that they cited in defense of their position, oddly enough, very accurately correlate with the factors that I identified as the reasons for the emergence of neofedalism. By the way, Pinochet's rampant enthusiasm for a number of pro-government media personalities looks very indicative against this background: as they say, like to like.

[Aag]

Quote: Dante

Someday I will muster up the courage and lay out my works on neo-feudalism for a public court, although this will deprive me of my incognito, but it may be a little clearer for the townsfolk what he really means by himself. I am not saying that everything that you Vadim described is wrong, on the contrary, all this takes place, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

"... I will lay out my works on neo-feudalism for a public court ..."
It would be very interesting! Welcome. Only a persuasive request, please, in a popular language, understandable to the broad masses. And then, you know, I spent a lot of time at the Academy of Economics, but in the role of a security guard; I graduated from the military-political school, but the engineering faculty .))

[Dante Alighieri]

Thank you for your interest. Without irony, flattered.

In principle, it was possible to take as a basis the very first work that I wrote in 2014 while still a student. It is, of course, a little chaotic, but everything is stated correctly there, and the language of presentation is not burdened by excessive pharisaism))) Then, however, I finalized and deepened the theory, in particular, I brought correlations with National Socialism, and also determined the population expansion and formation electronic forms of democracy as a step in the formation of neo-feudal polit. systems (precisely watered systems, since neofeudalism is not a formation), but this part is already more difficult to understand, although no less interesting than the introductory part.

Let's see if there is a request from the audience, it will probably be possible to try. The only thing that bothers me is how they will react to this at work, because where I work, they do not welcome the presence of an active life position, not to mention its public announcement. And even the fact that I do not discuss working moments in no way can fix this. So for now, I would not like to prematurely deprive myself of at least a semblance of anonymity. For as soon as I post at least the first article, they can easily find it in the RSCI, as well as the author's data.

[Aag]

Interest is not only mine There is a request from society, - to realize where we are, and that we ...
The term "neo-feudalism" appears even in the lexicon of people who are not familiar with political economy, history, philosophy. Often, people are not stupid. But who came up with this formulation not from textbooks, but "with their hands", "with their feet" ... Through the skin it came, in short.)) So do not scare off a significant, I would say, the most significant, part of the audience like: "pharisaism", "correlations", "expansions" ... I do not remember the authorship, excuse me, the essence: "The highest level of the teacher, it's easy to say about the complex ". People's interpretation -" Be simple, and people will reach you. "
"... it was possible to take as a basis the very first work that I wrote in 2014 ..."
I understand the meaning of the words "take as a basis" in this context, and in general, since the 14th year, nothing has changed in principle?
"... where I work, they do not welcome the presence of an active life position, not to mention its public posting ..."
I am at a loss to name the places where the situation is different.
"... to deprive yourself of even a semblance of anonymity ..."
.You know better, and it's up to you ... It seems that if you decide to publish your article on VO, you have to seriously adapt it. Type: "danger" - "nix", "not a good person" - "radish"))).
But, I repeat, it would be interesting to familiarize ourselves with it and determine where we are now.
By analogy with an ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile), it is not enough to know the coordinates of the target. To draw up a FZ (flight task), you need the coordinates of the launch, your location.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And the fact that now there is a transition to the capitalist public consciousness of society, apologists of neo-feudalism prefer to ignore? Or do you consider Navalny's fonats to be supporters of neo-feudalism?

[Dante Alighieri]

[quote do you think Navalny's fonats are supporters of neo-feudalism?] [/ quote]
And where does Novalny ????? The innovation of my research was precisely in the fact that I did not limit myself to the framework of the post-Soviet space, but showed that neo-feudalism is a global phenomenon, it just takes different forms in different countries. If we consider analogies, then we can give an example with democracy as a political system that has a great many variations and models, each of which nevertheless implies the presence of a certain electoral process, but it will be universal or only certain segments of the population will be allowed to it, this is another question ...

What kind of transition to capitalist public consciousness can be said in relation to Western countries, where this transition took place almost 3 centuries ago, I do not understand at all ...

[hydrox]

Sorry, but these are not nobles (NO estates!), And this is not the elite (no upbringing, education and traditions). But this is feudalism, where the heir MAY take the place of the father (or maybe not, if the sovereign makes his OTHER decision).
And in feudalism, not class, but vassal relations.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aerodrome

I didn't choose. I was against it. I am for the USSR.

I didn't want to either, and fought as best I could, but many wanted the collapse of the USSR. Let's see how many of them are by cons. Now you already have "two minuses" out of 10 - ie. every fifth.

[Snail N9]

Come on, what kind of "state plan"? What are you speaking about? Everything is simple, now all the "tasty pieces" from the state feeder directly, without any "contests" and "selections", that is, even without the slightest veil, will go into the pockets - "we all know who."
And development ... Here, it is well written, about "development":
https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/285330/?utm_source=finobzor.ru
Yes ... and here are the results of external "development":

[Machito]

I would like to believe that the State Council and the State Planning Committee will be engaged in the real development of the country, and not in the development of the budgetary 37 trillion rubles. What about the National Audit Office? The irresponsibility of officials for their work ruins any business.

[saigon]

If only irresponsibility, but as always, two troubles as a couple (fools and roads) and irresponsibility and not professionalism

[hydrox]

In this case, Stalin had Lavrenty Palych with his Gulag and sharashka for the mentally gifted (they were not shown to people, but they were kept pretty well (better than pennies in the 20s).

[strannik1985]

Stalin had the opportunity, conditionally, to take money out of thin air without focusing on foreign trade or the volume of goods and services on the domestic market. The economic possibilities of the Gulag and the "sharashek", shall we say, are limited.

[strannik1985]

The minus are not surprised that, for example, in 1939 onlyturnover tax 96,8 billion rubles, and cash in the country by 01.12.1939 22,1 billion rubles?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: strannik1985

The minus are not surprised that, for example, in 1939, only the tax on turnover was 96,8 billion rubles, and the cash in the country by 01.12.1939 was 22,1 billion rubles?

Not surprising. Nowadays, cash is just a drop in the sea of ​​virtual money.

[strannik1985]

No surprise

And in vain, now you can pay with them in a store or in the market, but then - no.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: strannik1985

now you can pay with them in a store or in the market, but then not.

How long ago did we start paying virtually? If a mine gives out coal worth a million rubles to a mountain, no one will immediately print this million, if the cash that the population has is enough with a certain margin for walking around the country.

[strannik1985]

How long ago did we start paying virtually?

For a long time, checkbooks and other cash substitutes have been known even before the revolution, the point is different - the conditional OJSC (LLC, CJSC, Federal State Unitary Enterprise, etc.) "Mine" buys consumables, services of third-party specialists, organizations, etc., sells ore on the market for money, in the USSR the same Mine had two accounts - one loan, the other settlement (for cash), its repair / development / receipt of products is carried out by the governing bodies (ministries / State Planning Committee) within the same structure - they gave consumables / received products = summed up the balance, most of the money remained in the form of numbers on paper

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: strannik1985

gave consumables / received products = summed up the balance, most of the money remained in the form of numbers on paper

That's exactly what I don't need to hammer in my brains.

Quote: strannik1985

And in vain, now you can pay with them in a store or in the market, but then - no.

Naturally, they did not go to the bazaar with a savings book in the USSR.

[saigon]

Money from industry could in no way get into, say, civil circulation. And it was not possible to steal from it.

[hydrox]

No one was interested then in economic opportunities in the conditions of the mobilization (pre-war!) Period, but what a penny were the costs of designing and producing military masterpieces - no Lockheed or Boeing in terms of labor productivity and did not stick around!
But what magnificent aircraft were produced by teams of the highest qualifications after the war! So after all, all space engineering has passed through the Sharashek universities! And how many wondrous minds remained alive and well, having passed through the sharashka.
Therefore, the liberal whine about sharashki, to put it mildly, is inappropriate.

[strannik1985]

No one was interested then in economic opportunities in the conditions of mobilization

It began in 1929, and inflation is exactly the war on our nose or not, the possibilities to increase the money supply in the market economy are limited.

[hydrox]

And when did market relations in the Union end?
That's right, with the end of the NEP.
Then what are you talking about?
By the way, inflation did not touch the gold coin.
And why not?

[strannik1985]

That's right, with the end of the NEP

And what has market relations to do with it?

And why not?

So gold - very expensive money, tied only to metal mining. The country is developing, there are more goods and services, but there is no money, paper money is even better.

[hydrox]

Quote: strannik1985

And what has market relations to do with it?

Quote: strannik1985

opportunities to increase the money supply in a market economy are limited.

Write yourself, answer yourself, and then ask me questions? Well, you give!

[strannik1985]

You write yourself

So in the USSR it is mixed, it has a domestic market relative to the size of the economy small.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: saigon

but as always, two troubles as a couple (fools and roads) and irresponsibility and not professionalism

If only this, then it would be the smallest part of the trouble for the country.

[nnm]

It does not exist as an integral vertical system, and judging by the trends in legislation of recent years, it is not expected. At most, individual local areas will be closed by departmental control and the Accounts Chamber "as a whole" will assess the effectiveness of the programs.
There has been no real control system for many years, and its restoration is not planned in legislative innovations. For this block is supervised by the liberal group of power.

[Dante Alighieri]

It does not exist as an integral vertical system

I support. Can anyone explain to me what place the State Council occupies in the system of separation of powers and why its orders should be imperative for all other branches of government?

[hydrox]

So to live this the curatorial group will not be long, its place will be taken by other hungry ...

[Far B]

Of course, I would like to believe it. Yes, that's something I can't believe. Putin constantly has some cunning plans, May decrees and other beautiful fairy tales. Only a cart, for some reason, is still there. And it is unlikely that something will really move from a dead center, while at the helm are all the same faces.

[alex tsk]

Yes, it’s useless to change furniture (

[Van 16]

"I can't believe something"

That's right, you have to judge not by words, plans and decrees, but by deeds. Because, as Stanislavsky said - "I don't believe"

[Kart]

Quote: Dalny V

Putin constantly has some cunning plans, May decrees and other beautiful fairy tales. Only a cart, for some reason, is still there.

Well, that is, there is no difference between Russia 2000 and Russia 2020?
Seriously?

[Mishka78]

And you will not compare 2000 with 2020, but 2008 with 2020, for example. When VVP with his lads and had to leave power. For the period 2000-2008 I have no complaints. Against the background of Yeltsin, almost anyone would be handsome.
But since 2008, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel became mature, bronzed, felt that he had grabbed God by the beard and began to equip himself, family, friends, etc.

[apro]

Quote: Bearded

I would like to believe

I believe in honest police officers ... in mermaids ... in brownies ...
They will be engaged in the fact that they are able to capitalize the administrative resource for themselves loved ones. The goal of the Russian leading class is profit on the pocket. And under what slogans. Beautiful phrases .. it does not matter.

[Profiler]

Quote: apro

I believe in honest police officers ... in mermaids ... in brownies ...

And in planning with capitalism, also believe?

[apro]

Quote: Profiler

Do you also believe in planning under capitalism?

Of course ... it is necessary to present what a yacht or a castle ... to buy ... how much salaries need to be cut for this purpose. To raise tariffs. The prices are the same.

[Kart]

You'd better tell me why the majority does not believe in Soviet-style "socialism", despite all the efforts of the propagandists.
Are the enemies interfering again? Or is it the wrong people?

[apro]

Quote: Carte

why the majority does not believe in the "socialism" of the Soviet style

And what does the majority want? What can they?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Isn't socialism of the Soviet type? Or do you really believe that yesterday's inhabitant in the USSR is a bearer of a rather late feudal consciousness and the current one is the same? You are shouting that the country has radically changed in 20 years. And in 30 years, there should be colossal changes.

[Aag]

Quote: apro

Quote: Profiler

Do you also believe in planning under capitalism?

Of course ... it is necessary to present what a yacht or a castle ... to buy ... how much salaries need to be cut for this purpose. To raise tariffs. The prices are the same.

They give up, and they don't really bother with this, they tear when there is not enough, from those to whom they can reach ... If it pours from any hole, or blows, they stupidly paint over ...

[mark2]

The text mentions 39 trillion. Where did another 2 Trillion go? Are you by any chance one of the officials?

[Vadim237]

Exactly of these 39 trillion, 50% is attracting private investment.

[Crowe]

I would like to believe that the State Council and the State Planning Committee will be engaged in the real development of the country, and not in the development of the budgetary 37 trillion rubles.

I would like to believe, but I am tormented by vague suspicions that we will soon see another colonel (an official, it does not matter) on TV in an apartment full of money with a surprised look, as if asking those around him: "but for what? I'm like everyone else .. . mastered .. "

[Svarog]

Quote: Bearded

I would like to believe that the State Council and the State Planning Committee will be engaged in the real development of the country, and not in the development of the budgetary 37 trillion rubles. What about the National Audit Office? The irresponsibility of officials for their work ruins any business.

The people are the same .. so it won't work. Just imagine the situation .. a prospector washes gold in a mine .. well, part of it dives out .. and then they let this prospector down, a new plan ... much more than the previous one, but they also throw in a promising place .. I am sure that the prospector will dive , and develop the same way .. Here is a similar picture. Responsibility must be clearly spelled out for everyone ... along the chain ..

[apro]

What was it ???? ??? state capitalism as a state, and so in the hands of kapitala.i penetrated into all spheres of gosudarstva.i occupied monopoly position ... something has changed ... I do not think.

Is it necessary to prove that our great powers do not have that real national ownership of the means of production, which (unlike private) denies the exploitation of man by man?

No, don't ... capitalism is like that.
Only the exploitation of man by man must be somewhat corrected ... by the exploitation of surplus value and its distribution.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: apro

so the state and so in the hands of capital. and penetrated into all spheres of the state. and took a monopoly position ... something to change ... I do not think.

Nothing will change, the capitalism of the USSR has won.

[Mykhalych]

The author did not mention one point, which, in my opinion, is important: The action plan is indicated with dates, checkpoints, (attention!) fixed responsible executors and prescribed budget support. The Unified Plan describes the logic of achieving each National Goal. And for all ministries, departments, regional authorities determines areas of responsibility and sets specific tasks, where each event is aimed at achieving a common result. The unified plan contains a decomposition by month and by each constituent entity of the Russian Federation. And all this is monitored online in the current time mode, both costs and execution.

[Dante Alighieri]

The action plan is indicated with dates, milestones, (attention!) Fixed by the responsible executors and prescribed budgetary provisions.

Do you remember the words of Siluanov at the forum in Vadivostok, when he was asked why the president's order to create 25 million jobs was not fulfilled? Remind me? In short, the reason why they did not fulfill this assignment was because there was no goal-setting and no plan was drawn up. The government had planned a plan to raise wages, and there allegedly was some progress, but this was not done to create jobs, and accordingly there were no results. And no one, I note, NOBODY was responsible, although, for a MINUTE, drawing up a plan and monitoring its implementation is the direct responsibility of the government. So it is here. There is a general plan, it will be released to the relevant ministers, but the same Siluanov for some reason decides that he is not interested in doing this, and therefore he will not paint specific actions further and everything will end there.

Reference, the explanation of the "minister" is attached:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/07/09/2018/5b922cc39a7947303d97b35c

[Vadim237]

Why was the president's instruction to create 25 million jobs not fulfilled? Probably because he expressed himself indistinctly or himself did not understand what he said in the May decrees, these 25 million jobs are registered as individual entrepreneurs created and created - and it is impossible to create new 25 million high-tech jobs in Russia - since there are no 25 million highly qualified workers in Russia - without work I doubt very much that 200000 will be typed at the labor exchange.

[Dante Alighieri]

and it is impossible to create new 25 million high-tech jobs in Russia

Why is it impossible? We just add the prefix "nano" to any tool (nanosuggler, nanometal, nanoscale) and voila - you already have the required number of high-tech jobs. So what? Chubais did it

I am more impressed by the very approach of the minister, who did not begin to explain that it was impossible, etc., but simply stated, I am translating from the bureaucratic into Russian: we didn’t want to and we didn’t. Cool, isn't it?

Whether you like it or not, you will involuntarily remember the year 37 ... Hardly then someone from the heads of the committees could afford such an attitude to their duties.

[your1970]

Quote: Dante

Whether you like it or not, you will involuntarily remember the year 37 ... Hardly then someone from the heads of the committees could afford such an attitude to their duties.

Yes, yes, yes, kaneshna ... No one could afford, everyone was afraid ...
All? Or did someone spit on 1937?

Shell production ... Suddenly (!!!!) it turns out that 90% of 45 mm shells are unsuitable for their intended purpose. Violation of technology for the sake of the plan ... That is, the directors were not afraid of the NKVD and spat on the top of Lavrenty Palych's head ... About military representatives in such situations, even to remember indecent - the boys put a bonus in their pocket and spit on the fact that these were not shells, but pieces of iron
Not this way?
How many anti-tank soldiers died because of these parasites from the fact that the shells were pricked on the armor - which they should have pierced with a bang, is unknown ...

They were afraid ... Yeah .. Shaking ... Shchaz ...

[Vladimir_2U]

We will live - we will see, we will survive - we will take into account!

[Odysseus]

Some kind of complete chaos. The author began with a discussion of "development institutions", and ended with a story that there was no true socialism in the USSR. What's the connection? What is all this for?
Without even discussing many of these strange theses, I will pass to the bottom line - the state cap has indeed been formed in the Russian Federation (and already a long time ago), but it has nothing to do with the PRC, or even more so the USSR.
This is a classic state cap of the country of the 3rd world, the closest analogue is the Latin American regimes of the 60-80s of the 20th century. An almost perfect replica of Stresnerra's Paraguay. Officials, security officials, criminals and business have merged into a single tangle, money is being withdrawn to the countries of the first world, who in reality owns the property and who is the ultimate beneficiary is not clear.
The only difference between the Russian Federation is a post-Soviet country, that is, it can parasitize on the former Soviet aktivy.vklyuchaya political independence and the presence of nuclear weapons. Because of this, the share and influence of foreign capital here is less than in a typical country of peripheral capitalism.

[Dante Alighieri]

Ullis, greetings! It's just that the author skipped watered. economy or does not even know about the existence of such a science, and therefore does not see the difference between state capitalism (although which part of this phrase should be in the first place is still worth looking at) and state socialism, which, according to Djilas, was formed in the USSR. I’m already silent about the fact that the phenomenon of the existence of "red directors" is already from modern market history, and not from the period of administrative-planned management.
However, the message itself is correct

The position of the state in state capitalism is clearly becoming stronger. Does this make the state itself stronger? Now this is not so obvious.

So we won't scold the author too much

[Odysseus]

Quote: Dante

Ullis, greetings! It's just that the author skipped watered. economy or does not even know about the existence of such a science

Mutually. The author's logic is clear: to tell a completely discouraged electorate another "patriotic" fairy tale, this time about the revival of the State Planning Commission after the 2020 reforms and that we, in fact, will not differ from the PRC and even from the USSR.
Now we will accept the 150th "development concept" and how we live.
But the author does not have a very good evidence base ...

Quote: Dante

So we won't scold the author too much

The state cap of the Russian Federation is very different from the classic state cap, for example, the 2nd Reich about which Lenin wrote. In the state capitalism of the countries of peripheral capitalism, the state only looks like a strong economic entity. In fact, it has little control. Just look at the comedy with rising prices and an attempt to "limit" them.
And as a governing subject of the Russian Federation is now very weak. It's all on the face - look at the management during the "pandemic".

[Vadim237]

In the USSR, there was a planned economic mafia in all republics under the cover of the Central Committee of the CPSU and all sources of mass information hid it under a dense information fog with the help of everyday fanfare. The USSR blooms and smells and just try to open your mouth about not such a policy and the party's economy.

[Egoza]

Quote: Odyssey

The author began with a discussion of "development institutions", and ended with a story that there was no true socialism in the USSR. What's the connection?

Probably all in order to prove that socialism is impossible, harmful under I.V. Stalin did not have it! And now here is a new development plan from the beloved government, and now capitalism - yes, we need it. Only now, all post-Soviet countries still live off the achievements of the USSR. So was it all that bad there?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Odyssey

ended with the story that there was no true socialism in the USSR.

I don’t understand - free education, free medicine, free housing, maternity leave for women, pensions for all citizens - this is not socialism ?! Or pseudo-socialism, according to the author

[Odysseus]

Quote: Stirbjorn

I don’t understand - free education, free medicine, free housing, maternity leave for women, pensions for all citizens - this is not socialism ?! Or pseudo-socialism, according to the author

This song is 100 years old at lunchtime. It began with the Trotskyists, then the "Eurocommunists" and dissidents. This idea flourished during perestroika.
But only then it became completely impossible to convince citizens of the idea that there was no socialism in the USSR, the results of perestroika were on the face. They could have just beaten.
Anti-Soviet propaganda has switched to completely different ideas, but this idea is kept in reserve (for the cultural public).

[evgen1221]

It didn’t finally come to the understanding that in vain they broke something that worked well under the union. Now they are being restored gradually. Still, personal responsibility and professional training of personnel would be strengthened and things will go on gradually.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: evgen1221

It didn’t finally come to the understanding that in vain they broke something that worked well under the union.

Ideally, state capitalism looks like this: the state is engaged in industry-forming industry, and all the rest are engaged in small capitalism. For example: - the state has set the task of every Russian to provide a 3D printer, while itself, from the standpoint of the highest science, develops print heads and various materials for printing. As a result, the Russians themselves print toys, soap dishes, and small consumer goods, and exchange them. As a result, a lot of currency remains in the country, and many people have something to do. It is the same with metals, energy, etc. What they really think up is not clear. They are clearly not idealists and have the right to own property abroad.

[strannik1985]

Ideally, state capitalism

Anyway, this option is tied to the volume of the domestic market. In the USSR, they did better, state enterprises did not have any cash at all, except for salaries and any expenditure funds. The domestic market is tiny, but the economy is much larger in relation to the volume of cash. Do not care that a part (small, foreign trade is in the hands of the state) of the money will go abroad, there is theft and ineffective management - the system has a huge margin of safety.

[Profiler]

Quote: Igor Polovodov

THE WAY IN GOSCAPITALISM!
COMRADE!

Sinking a fly in sweets
In the bank at the window.
And there is no joy in this
Not a fly and not me.

Author : Oleg Grigoriev

[Igor Polovodov]

The comment about the comment remained, but the comment is gone ...
Moderators, I see no reason for deletion, except for a subtle semantic turnover, designed more for an attentive Western reader ...
There was no other accent.

[samarin1969]

In Russia, it seems, after decades of ideological and economic inter-time, there is a trend towards a transition from wild capitalism to a state-like

ABOUT! So for 30 years only "outlined" the transition from Wild capitalism to "tame". ?? ... What then was the "economic bloc" of the Government doing all this time? They all seemed to love to "plan" somewhere.

[Profiler]

Quote: samarin1969

.What then was the "economic bloc" of the Government doing all this time? They all seemed to love to "plan" somewhere.

They "planned", relying on the once comfortable "upward flows" of oil prices.
Now this is more difficult. "Glider", without such a support, rushed down ...

[depressant]

Colleague samarin 1969, what, you say, did the "economic bloc" of the Government do (how are you, the government, with a capital letter)? How what? He took us around the country, transforming it into a desert! Then he drove through the desert so that we would forget our Soviet past. How much did Moses drive? Fourty years. There are only thirty of us. So there are ten years of driving us by the nose. Most of the Soviets will be gone by the thirtieth year. Yegeshniki will remain. On this and the calculation.

[parusnik]

In fact, no socialism (neither real - at the end of the 30s, nor developed - in 1977) was built in the Soviet Union in China (no matter what the local media and true Leninists scattered around the world say there). Stalinists), I am convinced - too.

..For these conclusions, the whole article?

[Profiler]

Quote: parusnik

For these conclusions, the whole article?

Show some respect for the author.
He tried so hard unnoticeably sum up all the material "blah blah blah" about the possibility of "planned capitalism" under this conclusion, and you did not appreciate his efforts in a penny.

[Vadim237]

There is no planned capitalism - there is market business planning.

[populist]

Quote: parusnik

parusnik (Alexey Bogomazov)
Today, 06: 56
+11
In fact, no socialism (neither real - at the end of the 30s, nor developed - in 1977) was built in the Soviet Union in China (no matter what the local media and true Leninists scattered around the world say there). Stalinists), I am convinced - too.
..For these conclusions, the whole article?

No, this article was not written in the last paragraph. The last paragraph contains one of many deceptive thoughts.
The main idea of ​​the article is that now the Russian Federation is "building" such a correct "state capitalism" and we will be able to go through it, both to socialism and to other even brighter distances.
This idea is completely false, harmful and dangerous. It covers up the gloomy prospects of the political-oligarchic system.

[parusnik]

This idea is completely false, harmful and dangerous. She covers the dark prospects of the political-oligarchic system

[nikolaj1703]

Gradually, evolutionarily, towards building a socialist state. From social to socialist, with state property management.

[apro]

Quote: nikolaj1703

Gradually, evolutionarily, towards building a socialist state. From social to socialist.

Dreams ... dreams ... how sweet they are.
Who, then, should refuse in good time? From honestly stolen?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: apro

Who, then, should refuse in good time? From honestly stolen?

one demotivator reminded me of your post

[Ros 56]

I would like to believe that the country will finally start moving in the right direction.

[apro]

Quote: Ros 56

I would like to believe

With this to the church.

Quote: Ros 56

move in the right direction.

Is this definitely the right direction? Or the little piglet will not be enough for everyone ...

[Ros 56]

Has a new hamlo appeared on the site?

[apro]

Quote: Ros 56

Has a new hamlo appeared on the site?

What are you talking about, dear?

[nikvic46]

In one film, a guy, dressing after a night spent, says to a girl, "We won't succeed. We started from the wrong place." It's important where to start. But the beginning with China is different. China began an incomprehensible socialism for us with the creation of cities - satellites. Each determined the direction of economic development. Chemistry, electronics, mechanical engineering. Yes, and aid from the IMF was spent so scrupulously that foreign diplomats complained about the poor reception. We are now proud to have acquired a "big brother." There is a certain positive in this. But international politics is not a textbook on driving. The rules are always changing.

[AlexVas44]

... the very word "development" literally never leaves the lips of our officials and managers.

As usual, the old trick. And what else to cover your "violent inactivity"? Officials are indestructible.

[Bez 310]

Plans, plans ...
Which of the global plans was fulfilled
over the past 25 years? Is there a plan?

[frog]

To you from the voiced ones? Or from real ones?

[Bez 310]

Quote: frog

To you from the voiced ones? Or from real ones?

To me - fulfilled that brought
undeniable benefits for ordinary people.

[Vadim237]

We got rid of the deficit of everything, there was a shortage of money, we got freedom and a life where your happiness depends only on you.

[rocket757]

How many people, so many opinions!
People, we are so scared / disappointed / angry / pessimistic / optimistic ....
WHO LIVES WELL IN RUSSIA ???

[Kart]

Nothing, we'll get over it. The main thing is not to fall into hysterics, not to break what is around in the name of another bright future.

[rocket757]

Quote: Carte

Nothing, we'll get over it.

We were already worried, we must live WORTHY!

[Alex66]

Planned capitalism? But how does the predatory essence of the strong survive at the expense of the weak? It's like making wolves graze herds instead of hunting, but I'm afraid there won't be enough of them for a long time, because like wolves. And there is no idea that will unite the flock and herd into one whole, capitalism does not have it, only another system that is higher in spirituality and morality can give it.

[Svarog]

And people are the same .. only their plans change and mask them .. but the essence will be the same.

[aybolyt678]

In fact, no socialism (not real - at the end of the 30s,

Well, this is the author bent ... Is there any modern definition of Socialism ?? and that free education, medicine, social housing are not elements of Socialism?
The second question is - how does public ownership of the means of production fundamentally differ from the progressive scale of taxation, because this is essentially just a mechanism for distributing the social product ??

[strannik1985]

well, the author turned it down

And this is the methodology of criticism of socialism, the theory, ideas that someone once invented, and not their practical implementation, are at the forefront. Very comfortably

[Mikhail3]

Yes, there is such a definition. Socialism is a planned economy, that is, production and consumption are planned on the basis of scientific knowledge and methods, and not determined by the market. That's all. What you named are mostly secondary signs. It is immeasurably easier for real socialism to simply provide people with housing and medicine than to balance the system through money circulation. Due to the fact that socialism denies the market as a spontaneous force hindering development, it is destructive in principle to introduce its elements anywhere.
The Party destroyed socialism by moving from scientific planning of resource allocation to distributing them to those who licked sweeterly. Here is the planned economy and collapsed. Nothing complicated, really.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

A lot of things can be said about capitalism with a human face, and especially about the vastness of our plans. Here we are masters, we cannot take away. But it would be crazy to hear about America's development plan for the next three years. opinion all this is just another noodle on the ears of the population And as a result there will be one phrase that is already becoming a legend The incomes of citizens have fallen, but excuse me We, like, tried to go the glorious way from the 20/20 strategy to price regulation at the state level, yes, this is unconditional jerk But in my opinion you don't need to reinvent the wheel Everything is already defined First of all, an independent judicial system, and really independent Secondly, an effective tax system Don't take 4% from the poor and think about how to impose pensions on the next step, this is to minimize the participation of the state in the economy Well, and, probably, caring for people Well, this is already vague Something like this

[Mavrikiy]

And the same state, both in Russia and in China, with all its executions, nationalizations and slogans to the envy of Ilyich, has long merged with the sharks of capitalism, helping them to disguise themselves as loyal Leninists.

Porridge. Either a cross or cowards. And the same state as in of Russia, so in China ..... long ago merged with the sharks of capitalism, helping them to disguise themselves as faithful Leninists.

[bar]

The State Council, the State Planning Committee, state capitalism - is this Russia's choice?

Another "worry song". Has the author decided on his own position? Is he for the State Council or for Rosnano?

[Mikhail3]

Everything is correct. All this will not work. The bureaucracy in Russia from the century was distinguished by the complete lack of understanding of its people, and indeed people in general. I suspect that those who, in principle, cannot get along with people, are not able to understand another person and agree with him, go to the bureaucrats. Therefore, such people seek to acquire administrative levers of pressure on others, building their lives and interaction with the people "on the bayonet" of administrative capabilities.
In the USSR, socialism really worked for many years. Until the ways of living and, in general, the goals in the life of the people and the bureaucracy did not completely diverge. An administrative resource can be of great HELP. Only help. The work itself must be done by people. Why and why people carry out serious projects, this is what is for our (and not only our) bureaucracy an incomprehensible secret. Therefore, the bureaucracy hates the people. Hisses that the people are bad, that the people are bad and "do not understand their happiness." Oh ho ho. Who doesn't understand what here ...

[Boris55]

The State Council, the State Planning Committee, state capitalism - is this Russia's choice?

First, what is state policy (not only in Russia, but everywhere in the world).
"State policy and management in a crowd-" elite "society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."

The State Council - This is a meeting of representatives of different clans of Russia in one place, to solve the urgent tasks of clans, inter-clan "misunderstandings". Having created the State Council and endowed it with powers, Putin, playing on the contradictions of the clans (supporting some and blocking others), expanded his ability to carry out his policies.

The state plan is everywhere both under socialism and under capitalism, the methods of achievement are different:

At the last session, the State Duma adopted the country's budget i.e. plan for the next year - to whom the money was given, those were supported, they will develop, the rest will wait if they do not die.

State capitalism - This is the choice of the Communist Trotskyists from the CPSU, who today refer to themselves as the United Russia Party and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, playing ping-pong with the people.

[apro]

Quote: Boris55

State capitalism is the choice of the Communist Trotskyists from the CPSU, who today refer to themselves as the United Russia Party and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, playing ping-pong with the people.

Boris did not quite understand ... state capitalism and the state economy under socialism in the USSR are somewhat different things, both in terms of goals and methods.

[Boris55]

Quote: apro

Do not quite understand ...

And if the question is formulated as follows:
- state capitalism and state socialism?
- the economy under capitalism and the economy under socialism?
It is necessary to compare the same parameters. Goals and methods are different things and cannot be compared.

The goals of the economy under capitalism are aimed at improving the welfare of the individual.
The goals of the economy under socialism are aimed at improving the well-being of all.

Methods of achieving the goal under socialism: "Fell here, wrung out there", "Dig from here until lunchtime."
Methods of achieving the goal under capitalism: "Whoever reaches that pillar first will receive three crusts of bread."

[apro]

Quote: Boris55

The goals of the economy under capitalism are aimed at improving the welfare of the individual.
The goals of the economy under socialism are aimed at improving the well-being of all.

So there is no need to talk about state capitalism in the USSR.

Quote: Boris55

Methods of achieving the goal under socialism: "Fell here, wrung out there", "Dig from here until lunchtime."

I know. This is the wrong answer. The method in the socialist economy is the rationing of labor and wages. Proceeding from the economic reality at the moment.

[dgonni]

Smiled for the redhead :). He was sent to Europe to negotiate the terms of surrender! Only we are not told about it, serving a beautiful wrapper.

[Was mammoth]

Plans are good! This is already a "step forward". I'm afraid that there will be "two steps back" further.
I am sure that the plans to raise the retirement age will be fulfilled, as well as the plans for the president's personal power and security, and of course the plans to strengthen the army and especially the police. The latest laws passed give confidence in this. As for the welfare of the people and the country, I'm not sure.
Author, define what capitalism is and what socialism is.
What is China building?
"... staying true to our original goal and not for a moment forgetting about our mission, carrying high the great banner of socialism with Chinese characteristics, achieve a decisive victory in the complete construction of a moderately prosperous society, win the great victory of socialism with Chinese characteristics in a new era, fight tirelessly for the realization of the Chinese dream of a great revival of the Chinese nation."
Xi Jinping at the 19th CPC Congress
http://russian.news.cn/2017-11/03/c_136726299.htm
There are both plans and "work on bugs".
You can also read the plans of the Soviet five-year plans and their implementation.
PS You shouldn't be talking about secretaries. From the word secret, not secret. Let's say one of the positions of LI Brezhnev - General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee.

[Old Orc]

Unfortunately for the author, this proposal in the given conditions does not lead to socialism but to fascism.
Since the basis is not a plan for social development, but a plan for profit for the state with the aim of further dividing it among the most in need (you can list the most in need in Forbes).
The purpose of this plan is to maximize the protection of the oligarchy through deepening even greater merger with the state. Then the question will arise that limiting RUSNANO's profits in any neighboring state is a pretext for a military change of power in this state. All this was when China tried to abandon opium in the 19th century. will also happen when someone tries to give up gas.

[Anachoret]

The current government, in essence, has not an industrial mentality, but a banking one.
Therefore, many industries are geared towards maximizing margins through financial institutions. Privatization of profits and nationalization of losses. And the current body movements are no different from this logic.
Over the 30 years of the existence of the capitalist Russian Federation, only two visions of economic development have developed - State capitalism with the transfer of all large industry and financial institutions under the wing of the state and Liberal-comprador, when they offer a cash cow to be sold to a "foreign effective owner."
But, for some reason, there is no direction implying re-industrialization and development of new directions and clusters of business.
When the minister speaks with a serious face about plans to build 50 MS-21 aircraft, a question involuntarily arises.
Is it a year?
Those. are we talking about industrial or handicraft?
And in this scheme, financial institutions will serve the privatization of profits by effective managers or the strengthening of production with sales promotion?

[iouris]

What's new to say? But nothing!
Quote:
Stalin: "Without a theory, we are dead, death!" At the beginning of March 1953, Stalin phoned a member of the newly elected Presidium of the Central Committee, DI Chesnokov: “... You should soon start to address questions of the further development of the theory. We can confuse something in the economy, but one way or another we will correct the situation. If we mess up the theory, we will ruin the whole matter. Without a theory, we are dead, death! " These were the last words of Stalin in his lifetime.
End of quote.
Unfortunately, the author has convincingly shown that Stalin saw at the very root.
Regarding the fact that there was no socialism in the USSR, or it was “somehow not like that” (“not ideal”). And with what to compare? Where did you see "ideal capitalism"? In American cinema? In which?
Concerning "Russia's choice". Firstly, "Russia" is not an object that can choose something. Secondly, the concept of "Russia" is still vague. Historical Russia is developing according to objective laws. The scope of the concept is changing. Currently, only a part of it remains, which is called the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation is Russia only in the sense that the scope of the concept will expand quantitatively and qualitatively. Otherwise, the Russian Federation will collapse and disappear from the political and economic map of the world. The solution to this issue depends on the quality of the elites, if they still exist. Let's hope.

[Iskazi]

It is very pathetic, and touching, but on the other hand, it is still optimistic. I would like to believe that someone else in the Kremlin may think ..., as you know, being in power reduces mental abilities, I will not hide, I myself was surprised by such a medical fact ... Socialism - Soviet-style - as it was State Capitalism, it remained its collapse is quite logical ... it was too big for effective management, something like the Great American Three - the sturgeon had to be cut off ... the fact that this process was delayed in Russia was a mistake ... especially since the Soviet leadership really existed on the verge of marasmus, and ideological work was completely failed, the authorities and security authorities were infected with ideas of coexistence and convergence ... which unfortunately still takes place. Perhaps the State Council will become the starting point for creating an alternative state structure .., on the other hand the criticism of the authors of the idea of ​​decentralization of power is incomprehensible, and the lack of understanding of the destructive role of the state in the development of society ... although the existence of the state is a necessary evil ... must be under the control of society. The society has yet to be created ... but this is a solvable task ... especially since it has already been done both in Russia, Asia, Europe, it is more than realistic to repeat ...

[Radical]

Quote: Carte

Quote: Dalny V

Putin constantly has some cunning plans, May decrees and other beautiful fairy tales. Only a cart, for some reason, is still there.

Well, that is, there is no difference between Russia 2000 and Russia 2020?
Seriously?

There is. The Russian segment of the Forbes list has increased.

[A_Lex]

Plan. The plan is not even present in any model of the economy, but in principle in any human activity, which involves the implementation of the developed strategy in real life to achieve the intended goal. Therefore, having a plan in itself does not mean anything, because having a plan is normal for any meaningful activity.

Capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system based on the exploitation of some for the benefit of others. The goal of capitalism is the greatest personal enrichment that can be achieved by appropriating as many resources as possible from some people and giving them the cheapest goods, services and resources for these resources.

Wealth. Through wealth, some gain access to fundamentally different opportunities that others lack in a system where the highest quality of a product is directly correlated with the highest price charged for it. People strive for wealth in order to gain access to the highest quality goods and services in the company of a few associates. The rich have a vital interest in keeping the number of the rich as small as possible so that competition for access to the highest quality goods and services is as low as possible. Therefore, the rich will always stand up for high prices, which are for them a tool that ensures virtually monopoly access to high-quality goods and services.

Poverty. Consequently, the rich are vitally interested in having as many poor as possible in the future. Therefore, it would be fair to say that the ultimate goal of capitalism is mass impoverishment, which in turn is the basis for the natural division of society into "Morlocks and Eloi", i.e. people who in reality have access to fundamentally different opportunities. In this case, society should be understood as the society not of any particular country, but of the entire international capitalist system as a whole, together with the countries of Africa, Latin America, etc., which have long been sharpened to supply cheap resources to the "highly developed country" which includes labor power, since under capitalism labor power is the same commodity as any other.

Goal. There can always be exactly one goal in any activity. If the goal is to maximize profits, then within the framework of such goal-setting it will never be possible to build a harmoniously developed society, because profit maximization is achieved by simultaneously raising prices for goods and services and reducing costs, part of which is wages.

State. The state is a mechanism by which coordination, regulation, control, distribution, standardization, planning, etc. are carried out. administrative functions regarding the activities of the whole society as a whole. Without the state, a society, especially a highly developed one, cannot exist. What anarchists or Marxists think on this topic is unimportant, because utopia, in which hyper-highly developed and supermoral people decide all questions amicably, conflict-free, very politely and correctly, is impossible, and therefore unrealizable in reality.

State capitalism. State capitalism is when a centralized policy is pursued in the state, and private traders do not influence this policy in any way. In fact, state capitalism needs a really operating dictatorship in which the dictator does not distribute contracts between friends, but severely punishes those who oppose and do not fit into centralized politics.

State capitalism in the Russian Federation. Is it possible to build a really functioning and sustainable system of state capitalism in the Russian Federation? No. Why not? Because the desire of a private trader to take possession of the largest possible assets and get the greatest profit possible is ineradicable - see Marx's well-known thesis about 300% profit. This desire, in turn, stumbles upon the limitation of the system imposed by state capitalism, which in turn causes the private owner to naturally desire to get rid of the dictator. It is for this reason that the current system, in which the private trader is absolutely irresponsible to society, has the greatest internal stability, because pathologically greedy people are satisfied with the current government, which regularly satisfies their growing appetites, and therefore they have no desire to change such power, i.e. to. they have no contradictions with this power.

[Vadim237]

Consequently, the rich are vitally interested in having as many poor as possible in the future. For any state, poverty is a burden - it has no ability to pay, which means it does not affect the economy for the better, and the rich in such a society are definitely not interested in the USSR, everyone was equally poor when comparing our society and the society of capitalist countries.

[A_Lex]

No poverty is a burden for any state

This is a burden for the state. But since the oligarchs owe taxes to the state and nothing but taxes, and this is where all their legislatively defined responsibility to the state ends, all this burden within the framework of the standard policy of "privatization of profits and nationalization of costs" falls on the citizens themselves, at the expense of whose taxes the budget is formed. The more oligarchs managed to privatize profitable enterprises, the greater the burden on the budget. So everything is thought out.

in the USSR, everyone was equally poor when comparing our society and the society of capitalist countries.

The poverty level is characterized not by the amount of money, which is an abstract and volatile value, but by the limited opportunities for access to real goods and services. In the USSR, there was a society of wealthy people, because everyone had the opportunity to study, receive treatment, eat well, have regular rest, attend cultural events, start a family, have children, live in an apartment, work, and often where the person himself wanted and in production. where was the real labor protection. And the goods and services were of high quality and in line with the GOST, and therefore the stores sold products, and not palm oil surrogates. Moreover, for all this, one did not need to do business or take out loans for tens of years. It was enough just to work. Not a single capital country in the world had the same opportunities for everyone as in the USSR.

[Zaurbek]

The Russian Federation is a capitalist country - with all the pluses and minuses .... the question is how the Russian Federation will relate to the population ... And how will it relate to the withdrawal of capital. Until the offshore and tax nuts are tightened.

[Catholic]

We do not have state capitalism. We have bourgeois-oligarchic capitalism.

[lopvlad]

In fact, no socialism (neither real - at the end of the 30s, nor developed - in 1977) was ever built in the Soviet Union.

If you look from modern Russia, there is no doubt that there was socialism in the USSR. Yes, the same socialism where the citizen was as protected as possible and was calm about his future and the future of his children.

[rica1952]

Without changing the liberal-monetary model of the economy, all these gestures and reshuffles will give absolutely nothing.

[misti1973]

China can and will succeed. They have everything for this. And most importantly, people see that the country is not marking time. They do not climb to support all the dictators of the world, they do not have any Socialist camp that needs to be constantly monitored, the development of citizens is an order of magnitude higher than among citizens of the USSR. Technologies, standard of living, absence of corruption ..

[Dod Income]

under Lenin's NEP, state-owned enterprises were not destroyed and jobs were saved - because the NEP added additional jobs! + taxes to the state treasury.

[Vitaly Tikhonov]

Oh, and how many palaces by the sea will be built by St. Petersburg's. Well, the rest will get something from the master's table