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Digital colonization: humanity becomes defenseless

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A couple of weeks ago, there was a global outage in the services of the American media giant Google. On the one hand, it might seem that nothing extraordinary happened - just think, YouTube did not work for about an hour. But on the other hand, Google provides a huge number of digital opportunities, and these opportunities just turned off overnight.


For example, there was a power outage in homes - where it is controlled by smart speakers from Google. Also, the video surveillance cameras of "smart" houses under the control of another Google service, Nest, did not work. Millions of people were unable to exchange business reports in the tables of the media giant, which it initially presented as ultra-reliable database platforms.

Google representatives have apologized. However, until now no one has calculated how much damage was caused in the world due to this global disruption in the operation of the services of the American company.

At the same time, there is an obvious fact that speaks of the huge dependence of millions of people around the world on the activities of this American information and communication company. And not only this one. Humanity, having fallen into total dependence, in fact becomes defenseless, entrusting the management of its business and even its home to digital services. Initially, such management was described as a technological breakthrough. But in mid-December 2020, Google itself showed its vulnerabilities and weaknesses.

The Day channel is considering the issue of so-called digital colonization, which, by and large, we all are witnesses.

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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 27 December 2020 20: 15
    +10
    Therefore, we need our own Internet and our services, as a reserve, just in case.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 27 December 2020 20: 23
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Therefore, we need our own Internet and our services, as a reserve, just in case.

      Needed for a long time
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 27 December 2020 20: 47
      +10
      not as a reserve, but as a basic basis for the work of state structures
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 27 December 2020 22: 48
        0
        Personally, I don’t trust confuters, I don’t know how to use them and, honestly, I’m afraid ...
        Sincerely
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 28 December 2020 03: 59
          +3
          Quote: nobody75
          Personally, I am confused
          There are so many mistakes in the simple word kanputyry! This is a shame! )))
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 22
            +1
            And what did you want from the Rural Belarusian Javist, Pitonschik and Rock Climber!
            Sincerely
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 20: 52
      +20
      Quote: Pessimist22
      we need our own internet and our own service

      First of all, we need our own government. Everything else is not even secondary. hi
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 27 December 2020 21: 35
        -1
        good
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Pessimist22
        we need our own internet and our own service

        First of all, we need our own government. Everything else is not even secondary. hi

        That's it! There will be a government, there will be development of everything and everyone ... it's a good thing that there are still smart heads ... hi
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 28 December 2020 01: 34
          +7
          Now we have only "Robbery", which keeps the stolen in the camp of the enemy. hi
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 28 December 2020 13: 29
            -1
            really? and the curator did not tell you that the accounts of Russian bureaucrats in the west are being arrested for two times?
            Or have you been kept in a cage for the last 5 years?
    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 27 December 2020 21: 18
      +1
      This is not a reserve, but an alternative, but the essence is not important. The problem is deeper, more the alternative, in turn, is also not immune from failures.
    5. businessv
      businessv 27 December 2020 23: 30
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Therefore, we need our own Internet and our services, as a reserve, just in case.
      Not needed! Necessary !!! The PRC has a DNS server, with which China can manage traffic, not to depend on failures and sanctions of foreign payment systems, unlike us. EMNIP, 11 of the 13 root servers are located in the states. Whoever says that it doesn't matter, that only 30% of requests turn to them, but no payment system can do without them! And this is a way of blackmail (sanctions).
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 28 December 2020 02: 08
        +3
        changed the "card" the other day, changed the code, did not manage to get to the house, sms started pouring in, from the "butcher's" to the "mortgage" ... how? I have another "sim", I did not give a number, except to "collect" for registration ... and the situation is such that I just scattered "business cards" on the square! in the day to go ???
        1. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 02: 38
          0
          Do scammers call?
          Sberbank, Alfa-Bank sell customer numbers.
          That is, not themselves, employees.
          Especially tech support.
          They are paid little.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 28 December 2020 11: 51
            +2
            Sberbank, Alfa-Bank sell customer numbers.
            That is, not themselves, employees.
            Especially tech support.

            Do you understand that this is a criminal offense and the prosecutor's office is obliged to react to this post of yours?
            How does technical support see customers' phones ?!
            Sincerely
            1. armannu
              armannu 28 December 2020 11: 58
              -2
              I called to submit a request to close an account, at 800
              An hour later they call - an application has been received to change the phone number ...
              The account was closed due to blocking ...
              I can explain in detail what and how, but I do not think that it is of interest to all participants
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 28 December 2020 04: 12
          +2
          Quote: Aerodrome
          changed the "card" the other day, changed the code, did not manage to get to the house, sms started pouring in, from the "butcher's" to the "mortgage" ... how? I have another "sim", I did not give a number, except to "collect" for registration ... and the situation is such that I just scattered "business cards" on the square! in the day to go ???

          Perhaps your new number belonged to someone less scrupulous in maintaining privacy before you. Endure a few weeks, send these intrusive offers and their outgoing numbers to the ban, and you will be happy.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 28 December 2020 12: 08
            +4
            Quote: Nagan
            Endure a few weeks, send these intrusive offers and their outgoing numbers to the ban, and you will be happy.

            Actually, do not endure, because since the spring I have been sick of various collectors, intrusive advertising, loans, etc., and I think someone used my number, because at first they called on it and looked for some woman.
            In general, I can't refuse it - the number comes in the package from the beeline, but on the other hand there is an antidote from Kaspersky, in the form of a program against spammers. In addition, I use the blacklist of the smartphone itself, so that all this works together, I don't even hear the call, but only see the total of how many were blocked. Sometimes there were 30 calls a day, sometimes they disappeared altogether for a couple of days. So I see the only way out either in changing the number, or choosing the call blocking function not from the phone book. But what is interesting is that the rest of the numbers are practically not called at all, and therefore I realized that I got into the base of the scammers, and from there my number will never disappear.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 28 December 2020 12: 32
              +1
              You can put asterisk at home on a microte or on a single-board computer to connect ip telephony to the number and filter on the aster by forwarding calls to a new number.
              Sincerely
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 28 December 2020 12: 37
                +1
                Quote: nobody75
                You can put asterisk at home on a microte or on a single-board computer to connect ip telephony to the number and filter on the aster by forwarding calls to a new number.
                Sincerely

                Can you tell me where on YouTube you can see all this in the form of instructions, because not everyone has the same knowledge as you, and it is difficult to understand from the words.
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 28 December 2020 12: 47
                  +1
                  If you have a technical streak, knowledge of * nix, the ability to code and a desire to master ip telephony. Asterisk is a telephony server that can even use old telephone noodles T1, T3, etc. Plus it can write conversations in mp3.
                  references
                  https://help.ubuntu.ru/wiki/asterisk - для Ubuntu Linux
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreePBX - про готовую сборку linux со встроенным и настроеным астером
                  The easiest option for OpenVRT https://habr.com/ru/post/180889/
                  Sincerely
      2. armannu
        armannu 28 December 2020 02: 32
        +2
        Horror story.
        It is not clear who it is intended for.
        Quote: businessv
        There is a DNS server in the PRC,
        From Wiki:
        As of 18.11.2020, the following replicas of DNS root servers are located in Russia [4]:

        Moscow: e.root, f.root (2 pcs.), J.root, k.root, l.root (2 pcs.);
        St. Petersburg: f.root, i.root, j.root, k.root, l.root;
        Novosibirsk: k.root;
        Rostov-on-Don: l.root.
        1. businessv
          businessv 28 December 2020 08: 55
          +2
          Quote: armannu
          As of 18.11.2020, the following replicas of DNS root servers are located in Russia [4]:

          Do you have any idea what "replica" means? We do not have a single root server, if the word "root" tells you something! hi
          1. armannu
            armannu 28 December 2020 08: 57
            +1
            Replica - copy
            Says more than you
            1. businessv
              businessv 28 December 2020 09: 26
              -1
              Quote: armannu
              Replica - copy Says more than you
              laughing Happy for you! Do you think the replicas can replace the original in functionality? Can you use the St. Petersburg replica to go to the website of the Virginia Institute? wink
              The Internet uses the DNS system to communicate between domain names and their IP addresses and other information. The highest place in the domain system hierarchy is occupied by root DNS servers that manage top-level domains that are part of all domain names on the Internet.
              Read, understand, then you will write another nonsense.
              1. armannu
                armannu 28 December 2020 09: 39
                0
                I explain popularly, for the layman:

                DNS (Domain Name System), as the name implies, is responsible for mapping symbolic names to ip-addresses.
                Routing, announcements, etc. already from another opera.

                1) Yes, I or you can go anywhere, referring to the provider's DNS.
                Further it is no longer your concern as the name is resolved.
                Usually where the ping is less.
                If the connection with one of the root servers is lost, the replica will completely replace it.
                If the connection with the Virginia Institute is lost, a working DNS will not help.
                If we, as a country, lose connectivity with the Internet, name resolution will still work.

                In general, there are nuances, such as DNS over HTTPS, but you don't need it.
                The main thing is that there is nothing wrong, America does not have a "key to the Internet."

                2) I do not need to delve into, I have known for a long time.
                1. Aerodrome
                  Aerodrome 28 December 2020 18: 53
                  0
                  I explain popularly, for the layman:
                  Quote: armannu
                  There is no need for me to delve into, I have known for a long time.

                  all amateurs ... in their topics.
                  1. armannu
                    armannu 28 December 2020 19: 09
                    +1
                    I agree.
                    But an aggressively stupid amateur is annoying.
                    I heard "root" and decided that it was the root of the Internet. wink
      3. Dodikson
        Dodikson 28 December 2020 04: 32
        0
        What the hell are you talking about?
        is the Internet for you DNS?
        everything is much more complicated.
        firstly, everyone uses their DNS servers, and only if the provider's DNS server does not have an answer, it turns to the DNS server at a higher level.
        but making a full replication of the root DNS server is not an impossible task. this is a common thing.
        and the cat cut off the channel, for example, to the States, they can, there will not be available not only DNS servers, but in general all services that are physically located in the states.
        therefore, our government demanded at the legislative level that the services that serve Russian citizens are PHYSICALLY located in Russia.
        that is, gmail that are registered as Russian are hosted on servers that are physically located with us. the same goes for all kinds of cloud services and social networks. in our country we have the north and yabla and microsoft with a facebook.
        for transactions DNS is not needed at all. everything goes there via the ip protocol. DNS simply serves it in the same way as it serves the regular Internet, moreover, the transaction servers are the same and there are few of them, so they are already in the cache or they can be easily manually registered in hosts.
        in addition, you can rebuild the routes along which to those services through the channels going to Asia and so on.
        But all the same, the future of the Internet is national state intranet segments and it won't be easy to get into a foreign segment.
        there will be corporate guest zones accessible from the outside, but you just can't get inside the country.
        By the way, similar is written in Gibson's Neuromancer.
        1. businessv
          businessv 28 December 2020 08: 59
          -1
          Quote: Dodikson
          But all the same, the future of the Internet is national state intranet segments and it won't be easy to get into a foreign segment. there will be corporate guest zones accessible from the outside, but you just can't get inside the country.
          I argue like an amateur, but I wanted to say precisely about the possibility of outside influence on our Internet. You have fleshed out, thanks! hi
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 26
          -3
          Well, I had my own zone ... On two physical servers. And a separate postman on a mandrake ... Oh, youth, youth ...
          Sincerely
        3. businessv
          businessv 28 December 2020 09: 28
          0
          Quote: Dodikson
          What the hell are you talking about?
          is the Internet for you DNS?
          You shouldn't be rude, first explain, can the entire Internet network work without DNS root servers? If yes, then explain the statement:
          The Internet uses the DNS system to communicate between domain names and their IP addresses and other information. The highest place in the domain system hierarchy is occupied by root DNS servers that manage top-level domains that are part of all domain names on the Internet.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 28 December 2020 13: 32
            0
            Yes maybe . there will be problems only if there is an appeal to a domain name previously not requested by DNS servers.
            that is, if there is a request - ohreneti2222.bg, of some small site in Bulgaria, to which no one from Russia has ever contacted, then yes, its ip address will not be found. but everything that is used more or less regularly will work because all their ip is in the cache of DNS servers and they have been on our servers for a long time.
        4. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 28 December 2020 18: 54
          -1
          What the hell are you talking about?
          You always... hi
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 28 December 2020 18: 56
            -2
            did your curator order you to write this?
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 28 December 2020 19: 16
              0
              I just got home from work. There are no curators. If I said something offensive. Sorry. I didn't want to offend. just annoyed (pissed off) was after the shift. sorry again.
        5. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 1 January 2021 12: 20
          -3
          The government's demand is complete nonsense, it is very simple and easy to bring the server software down to zero and completely stop their work with the deletion of all customer data located in Russia. The location of the physical servers has absolutely no effect on the possibility of clipping.
      4. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 1 January 2021 12: 17
        -2
        Even small providers have DNS servers, you can do it on your computer simply and inexpensively.
    6. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 02: 40
      0
      Only those who are their own evil Buratino can suffer greatly from such failures.
      And not looking at YouTube for half an hour does not pull on the problem.
    7. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 02: 50
      0
      We already have our own channels.
      There can be no others, in principle.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 28 December 2020 03: 33
        0
        Quote: armannu
        We already have our own channels.
        There can be no others, in principle.

        oh how ... "omerega" is a monopolist?
        1. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 03: 36
          +1
          There is a dependence on hardware and software, extremely essential and dangerous
          But one more, backup Internet is useless, Rostelecom is quite enough
          1. businessv
            businessv 28 December 2020 09: 04
            0
            Quote: armannu
            But one more, backup Internet is useless, Rostelecom is quite enough
            You understand even less than I do! Rostelecom is a provider!
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 28 December 2020 12: 10
              0
              And who routes the traffic through their networks, if not the provider?
              Sincerely
              1. businessv
                businessv 28 December 2020 13: 44
                -1
                Quote: nobody75
                And who routes the traffic through their networks, if not the provider? With respect
                This is certainly true, but it is also an intermediary who buys traffic at a lower price, and sells it to the end user at a higher price. If, for example, minke whales restrict access to their servers to Rostelecom, and they can do this easily, then will the provider be able to provide services in the future in full volume of the Internet, not only Runet? Mutually, with respect!
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 28 December 2020 16: 16
                  +1
                  Will be able. Through European and Asian routers.
                  Sincerely
            2. Dodikson
              Dodikson 28 December 2020 13: 34
              -1
              Rostelecom has its own Internet backbones, that is, it has its own section of the Internet and makes up a significant part of the Runet segment.
              And this, if Toyta also has its own Toyota repair service centers, this does not mean that Toyota is a car repair company. not a car manufacturer.
              1. businessv
                businessv 28 December 2020 13: 50
                0
                Quote: Dodikson
                Rostelecom has its own Internet backbones, that is, it has its own section of the Internet
                Rostelecom has its own networks through which it can provide end users with services for the delivery of traffic, which it purchases from a larger provider. This does not mean that he does not have a database for storing data with which he works, but it does mean that if he is "banned" on the root servers, he will have a very limited ability to use the Internet and partially the Russian Internet.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 28 December 2020 13: 53
                  -1
                  Rostelecom is one of those who are thus "from a larger provider" and smaller providers lease channels from Rostelecom.
      2. businessv
        businessv 28 December 2020 09: 01
        0
        Quote: armannu
        We already have our own channels.
        There can be no others, in principle.
        Well, then maybe explain how they can cut off international payments for us, and we can successfully resist this?
        And not looking at YouTube for half an hour does not pull on the problem.
        Will you transfer money through YouTube? laughing
        1. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 09: 05
          +1
          They won't be able to, nobody canceled the paper.
          Actually, this is from a completely different opera, about Swift
          1. businessv
            businessv 28 December 2020 09: 29
            0
            Quote: armannu
            They won't be able to, nobody canceled the paper.
            Actually, this is from a completely different opera, about Swift

            Are you tired of writing nonsense? smile
            1. armannu
              armannu 28 December 2020 09: 40
              0
              I'm already a little tired of answering.
            2. Dodikson
              Dodikson 28 December 2020 13: 35
              -1
              listen. You asked not to be rude, and so, I sincerely ask you to stop carrying bullshit, because I read your posts and my eyes began to bleed.
              1. businessv
                businessv 28 December 2020 13: 57
                0
                Quote: Dodikson
                stop talking bullshit, because I read your posts and my eyes began to bleed.

                Contact your optometrist, dear!
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 28 December 2020 13: 58
                  -3
                  turn to technically competent people and stop talking nonsense after which you can see that for you, and clicking on the Start button on your computer is a daunting task.
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 28 December 2020 14: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    stop talking nonsense after which you can see that for you and pressing the Start button on your computer is a daunting task.
                    Stop splashing poison, you get into your eyes! wink And it's not for you to judge what tasks are difficult for me - for you normal communication is clearly an impossible task! hi
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 28 December 2020 14: 04
                      -3
                      You would have pulled a log out of your eye b.
                      otherwise the comments are not a role model
                      Are you tired of writing nonsense? smile


                      Read, understand, then you will write another nonsense.
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 28 December 2020 17: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        the very comments are not a role model
                        I agree, it happens, I apologize to colleagues!
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 29
          -2
          Are you talking about Swift? So all payments go through processing centers. Both Visa and the Master have them in Russia now. And budget payments in general go to the World ...
          Sincerely
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 28 December 2020 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: armannu
        We already have our own channels.

        I will add on my own that at the dawn of my youth we already had machine-to-machine exchange via closed analog channels, the so-called "military Internet" on an ES computer. The speed by today's standards was ridiculous - 9,6 kbit / s, but to obtain information for printing punched cards, and then putting them on disks, this was enough at that time, even for programming orbital satellite systems.
        So the question of our Internet has always been, especially with the military, and I think that it was rightly said by one author that the future belongs to national systems. I think this will be the right decision.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 28 December 2020 12: 33
          0
          On ip v6
          Sincerely
        2. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 12: 40
          +1
          I suspect that the situation is similar now.
          Nothing prevents Rostelecom from allocating both part of the strip and the fiber (s) to the military.
  2. The popuas
    The popuas 27 December 2020 20: 18
    +12
    I felt nothing in my village
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 27 December 2020 20: 26
      +3
      but I personally went nuts when all my documents were disconnected and work for an hour and a half just got up ... it was not fun
      1. armannu
        armannu 28 December 2020 02: 48
        +1
        So someone made you keep your documents with your uncle?
        1. TAMBU
          TAMBU 28 December 2020 08: 53
          0
          The internal regulations of the company have never worked on the clouds before ... but what?
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 30
            0
            The company can't cut its own cloud?
            Sincerely
            1. TAMBU
              TAMBU 28 December 2020 09: 57
              0
              the time and resources spent on this are so disproportionate to the ease of use of "reliable" (as it seemed to everyone before) ready-made solutions that it looked and looks like an inexpedient solution (and the amount of documentation in the archives will seriously harm the process). Moreover, this event is given so little attention in the company that resources will hardly be allocated to this problem at all.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 28 December 2020 11: 25
                0
                And in such cases I act like that "girl" from the movie, the footage of which I posted above. And immediately there is money for servers, network equipment and ... Unfortunately, until now I have not been able to explain to managers with "elastic charisma" what power overworld is given by modern erp systems. This will be my next feat ...
                Sincerely
                1. TAMBU
                  TAMBU 28 December 2020 11: 37
                  0
                  "Happy hunting Kaa ..." (c)
                  ))
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 28 December 2020 11: 39
                    0
                    Thank you! I think we are of the same blood ... Happy New Year!
                    Sincerely
                2. armannu
                  armannu 28 December 2020 11: 53
                  0
                  Quote: nobody75
                  what power over the world is given by modern erp systems
                  Feat without stretching.
                  There are so many examples of unsuccessful implementation ...
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 28 December 2020 12: 00
                    0
                    Particularly touching are managers - "salesmen" who tell clients outrightly that their erp system can work "out of the box" in any enterprise and does "no matter what, within a reasonable limit." After successful implementation, the accountant is afraid to carry out documents ... What if something wrong will come out in the management balance sheet ?!
                    Sincerely
              2. armannu
                armannu 28 December 2020 11: 51
                0
                Quote: TAMBU
                Moreover, this event is given such low attention in the company.

                This is the main point.
                Your documents are not too needed.
                1. TAMBU
                  TAMBU 28 December 2020 14: 43
                  +1
                  maybe ... all the same, all the key points are described in contracts and contracts on paper ...
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 21: 11
      +8
      Quote: Popuas
      I felt nothing in my village

      laughing good
      Now on the MIR channel they showed how Mr. Sobyanin, when pouring hundreds of billions of annually into the budget of the capital, launches boats along artificial streams, as he tells us, provincial residents about heated pools ... These are houses with software and outdoor swimming pools with heating from "Google", and in our bear corners there is no time for good, there would be toilets in places of mass public visits and people would be able to move in winter along cleaned sidewalks ... We do not have video surveillance of the janitors who work for an hour and a half without daily production tasks without any consideration of what was done and according to incomprehensible payment systems: neither piece-rate bonus, nor time-delayed ...
      It was this year, in the summer, when the house was being painted - the wires of Internet providers were cut off ... Then advertisements on the porches were hung with photographs of the intruders - did anyone see ... But how will we see? We have no video cameras ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 21: 40
        +5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        We have no video cameras ...

        Come on, in Togliatti in just a year the number of cameras has doubled (according to subjective observations).
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 27 December 2020 21: 51
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: ROSS 42
          We have no video cameras ...

          Come on, in Togliatti in just a year the number of cameras has doubled (according to subjective observations).

          And the money from the cameras goes to a private trader ... and a part is an authoritative person in their region ... and there are billions ...
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 27 December 2020 21: 55
          +1
          hi
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Come on, in Togliatti in just a year the number of cameras has doubled (according to subjective observations).

          Most likely this number of "cameras for taking fines" has increased. "Cameras for people", they are financed from other sources.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 28 December 2020 01: 47
            +7
            Alexey hi ,
            according to the "established tradition", the one who usually "looks" behind the cameras and paid parking lots is an "ignoramus" of any of the "big people". At the same time, the "authorities" themselves consider paying fines and for parking behind the scenes, because their premium cars are covered with "special numbers" and the sign "disabled". It's the same story with tow trucks / fine parking lots.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 28 December 2020 11: 43
              0
              What are you !? And entot an ignoramus with a grid of city ip cameras will cope? And in two ministries and in the Committee, they will not say an "evil phrase" about the undergrowth? Do you live in Ukraine?
              Sincerely
    3. nobody75
      nobody75 27 December 2020 22: 08
      0
      Do you have a desire to notice?



      Sincerely
    4. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 28 December 2020 01: 59
      +2
      Quote: Popuas
      I felt nothing in my village

      dak it is clear the further from Moscow ...
      Those doves the water, the closer to heaven.
      Forest harmonics are enviable constancy,
      And the accordionist chub leans towards the bass. wink
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 28 December 2020 11: 31
        -1
        Oh, these "simplified" - khatoskrainiki ... What is their way of life in microeconomics called? That's right - "the Robinson economy". They do not understand what happens to the digital economy and their collective farm will be the first to stretch its legs. Look at Ukraine - new restaurants are opening in Kiev, and the Selyuk - "Robinsons" in Poland are laborers ...
        Sincerely
  3. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 27 December 2020 20: 26
    0
    think, YouTube didn't work for about an hour.

    A huge number of Google users did not even notice this
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 28 December 2020 02: 00
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      think, YouTube didn't work for about an hour.

      A huge number of Google users did not even notice this

      and someone went out the window ... nonsense.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 28 December 2020 12: 04
        +2
        and someone went out the window ... nonsense.

        Those who had exchanges for Google disk were tied came out. I told them that for normal exchanges to work, they need to write with pens and introduce Kafka. And CD 2-3 for lamers!
        Sincerely
  4. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 27 December 2020 20: 28
    +20
    As long as millions of people in Russian cities use septic tanks and stoves for heating, the country is not afraid of collapse. If youtubers or tiktokers lose their profile, and fig with him.
    1. Avior
      Avior 27 December 2020 20: 37
      +8
      And he flew from someone due to a failure?
      Rather, cloud services were simply not working temporarily.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 27 December 2020 21: 12
        +9
        Interestingly, those who at the beginning of the comments said that they needed their own, separate, Russian Internet, really think that it will be uninterrupted, faster and not susceptible to attacks ?!
        How it all starts ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 27 December 2020 21: 54
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Interestingly, those who at the beginning of the comments said that they needed their own, separate, Russian Internet, really think that it will be uninterrupted, faster and not susceptible to attacks ?!
          How it all starts ...

          Nothing works normally for us at all .. here Google crashed .. once I don't know how old .. but you go right now to the traffic police website and try to find out fines .. everything hangs there .. government services, fines have also stopped showing , some show .. but something is not .. then the bailiff writes off your money, and without explaining the reason ..
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 28 December 2020 01: 52
            +5
            "The goof will always pay for everything." (FROM) hi
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 33
          -1
          Do you have any idea how entot tyrnet works? Any speaker is always "own" and "separate"
          Sincerely
    2. Dmitry Makarov
      Dmitry Makarov 27 December 2020 20: 42
      +10
      Type- Excuse me, I'm a blogger, I see you have a "potbelly stove"? And my "Google" is frozen, do not let me get warm?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 December 2020 21: 21
        -1
        Quote: Dmitry Makarov
        don't let me get warm?

        And eat. Otherwise, all my electricity went out recourse
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 21: 42
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          ... Otherwise, all my electricity went out

          But bonuses from EP are regular! bully
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 27 December 2020 21: 44
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But bonuses from EP are regular!

            What are the bonuses, to whom? belay
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 21: 46
              +1
              To me! good Happy New Year! wassat
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 27 December 2020 21: 48
                -2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                To me! Happy New Year!

                What am I to do with it?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 21: 57
                  +5
                  Sergei, don't pretend. You are constantly "drowning" for power, in any case. This can be easily verified by reviewing all of your comments on your profile. wink
                  An independent Internet is definitely needed, but not in words. which have been said for many years, but in practice. In exactly the same way as the protection of the Russian language is needed, not by bullshit "amendments", but in practice. Here the other day in the State Duma passed a law on the classification of these police officers, arguing this by the presence of similar laws in France. Why are there no similar solutions regarding language protection in France?
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 27 December 2020 22: 27
                    -1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Sergei, don't pretend.

                    And didn’t think
                    You constantly "drown" for power, in any case

                    Not true. When the authorities are wrong, I better keep silent
                    This can be easily verified by reviewing all of your comments on your profile.

                    We must have climbed into someone else's profile ...
                    An independent Internet is definitely needed, but not in words. which have been talked about for many years, but in reality

                    With two hands "For"
                    Here the other day in the State Duma passed a law on the classification of these police officers, arguing this by the presence of similar laws in France.

                    Read on
                    Why are there no similar solutions regarding language protection in France?

                    I still do not understand what you mean.
                    On the protection of the police in France, or on the protection of the language there.
                    Well, how can I know why the French do not defend their language.
                    And so, passing by.
                    I have never been a member of any party.
                    The only 9 month was in the Komsomol.
                    I have a disgust for any parties, gatherings of talkers and PR people
  5. aries2200
    aries2200 27 December 2020 20: 57
    -4
    it's a pity that the Tanovskie satellites did not start to fall ....... maybe next time everything will be more effective for Indians and lads from Ukraine
  6. ANB
    ANB 27 December 2020 21: 16
    +7
    It is not digital technologies themselves that are terrible, but the decline in the competence of those who develop them and maintain the infrastructure.
    I had a complete shutdown of the data center a couple of times at work.
    The results of the showdown showed the uttermost carelessness of the bosses and service personnel. Moreover, in the Soviet SNIPs, all measures are prescribed. But who would read them and follow them.
    1. Flashpoint
      Flashpoint 27 December 2020 21: 24
      +3
      It's good if you just stop and only a couple of times. But if the loss of information and shutdown for a long time, partial or complete impossibility of recovery ...
      1. ANB
        ANB 27 December 2020 21: 29
        +4
        ... But if the loss of information and shutdown for a long time, partial or complete impossibility of recovery ...

        Several days of downtime.
        Fortunately, more responsible comrades were engaged in logs and backups.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 27 December 2020 21: 44
          +2
          Several days of downtime.


          Damm .... it's a mess and not a data center. The problem is if the software provider provides a cloud service through your data center. It's a disaster and a 5 minute stop.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 27 December 2020 21: 25
      0
      Quote: ANB
      and a decline in the competence of those who develop them and maintain the infrastructure.

      The problem is that all the equipment is becoming more and more complicated every day, but those who maintain it do not always keep up with the new equipment.
      No, I don’t mean to say that everything is so hopeless. But a mistake, or the incompetence of one, can lead to very bad consequences.
      Well, something like this request
      1. bk316
        bk316 27 December 2020 22: 09
        0
        those who serve it do not always keep up with the new o

        Not only serves, but also uses ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 27 December 2020 22: 16
          -2
          Quote: bk316
          Not only serves, but also uses ...

          Well, what to take from the user. What he was shown, he does.
          Of course it can screw up any equipment. But this is rather an exception.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 28 December 2020 20: 35
            -1
            Well, what to take from the user. What he was shown, he does.

            My phone rang:

            - The exchange with ZuP with the Branch in Uryupinsk does not work for me!
            - Look in the lower right corner of your TV there should be a flying saucer. She is there?
            - What other flying saucer ?! You, as always, are making fun of, and tomorrow I’ll set the balance!
            Could you connect to me using the Tim Viewer program and fix the problem
            - Connecting ...
            - Oh, it all worked! And I see the plate! I remembered that a girl from the information security department came yesterday and turned off this dish. She said that I don't need her ... What a bitch!

            But seriously, all the cries about DNS in this topic are explained simply - smart boys indicated 8.8.8.8 as the first dns server on their computers. On the advice of friends ... And when Gugol went to bed, the Internet, created by the genius of Ilona Musk, broke down.
            Sincerely
    3. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 02: 58
      +1
      Usually the problem is not indifference, but finances.
      The one who provides the service at a lower price wins in the market.
      And for the strict implementation of SNIP money is needed.
    4. Gato
      Gato 28 December 2020 03: 18
      +1
      But who would read them and follow them.

      I strongly support the outrage. How many SA do not hit in the head with job descriptions - does not reach.
  7. Gato
    Gato 27 December 2020 21: 25
    +6
    Humanity, having fallen into total dependence, in fact becomes defenseless, entrusting the management of its business and even its home to digital services.

    So nobody kicks into digital services. If your data is not interesting to anyone, store it on Google servers. And if you have something to hide, have your own hardware and software. Your investment in security always pays off.
  8. for
    for 27 December 2020 21: 25
    +5
    We ourselves go into it, for the sake of our convenience. No one is forced to voluntarily give permission for the right and the left. Wi-Fi cards a bonus for thieves.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 27 December 2020 23: 00
      -2
      Where did you see the plastic from the wifi? There rfid ...
      Sincerely
      1. for
        for 28 December 2020 01: 20
        0
        It's just that the people here say wi-fi.
        And RFID will be used when the chips are sewn into us.
        1. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 02: 45
          +1
          There mifare, it's completely different, nothing to do with wifi.
          It is not in vain that they talk about the country of fools.
          1. for
            for 28 December 2020 03: 07
            -1
            Quote: armannu
            It's not in vain that they talk about the country of fools

            This is you to yourself.
            That you technology SKiD all the hectic one, then the other.
            Too lazy to even look on the net.
            The Mastercard payment system calls this contactless payment technology PayPass, Visa calls it payWave, China UnionPay calls QuickPass, and the national payment system (Mir cards) calls Contactless.
            1. armannu
              armannu 28 December 2020 03: 15
              +3
              It doesn't matter what the name is.
              These are the tricks of marketers.
              Physical layer 13,56 MHz, AM
              There's nothing to do with wifa.
          2. Gato
            Gato 28 December 2020 03: 10
            +2
            Gentlemen, do not quarrel. RFID is a data transmission technology and Mifare is a manufacturer's brand. And also different formats of magnetic readers are used, well, NFC, blue teeth, etc. It's not about technology, but about the laxity of cardholders and users of online stores. Too lazy to walk with your feet - pay.
            1. Flashpoint
              Flashpoint 28 December 2020 03: 15
              +1
              For on-line stores there must be a separate card. Now many banks offer virtual cards. I replenished with the main one for the required amount and paid on-line. Well, and shining a salary card is just fierce masochism.
              1. armannu
                armannu 28 December 2020 03: 19
                0
                Most don't turn on and have no problems.
              2. Gato
                Gato 28 December 2020 03: 24
                +2
                separate card must be

                This is at least. But no virtual card will prevent the user from making a 100% prepayment or buying a Porsche on the left site laughing
                1. Flashpoint
                  Flashpoint 28 December 2020 03: 25
                  +1
                  Yes, I agree! All kinds of phishing and counterfeiting are widespread - vigilance must be kept. And fake ATMs are also found.
              3. for
                for 28 December 2020 03: 44
                0
                Quote: Flashpoint
                Well, and shining a salary card is just fierce masochism.

                What the bank knows, everyone knows (who needs it).
                1. Flashpoint
                  Flashpoint 28 December 2020 03: 52
                  +1
                  Unfortunately yes. Any system can be susceptible to information leaks.
                2. nobody75
                  nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 37
                  -3
                  And how many specialists in typewriter, Big Data and Cubes are there in our "special services" and "banks"?
                  Sincerely
              4. nobody75
                nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 42
                -3
                You had to process online payments on the Backend, what are you so bold about the fact that "you can't shine" write?
                Sincerely
            2. armannu
              armannu 28 December 2020 03: 18
              +2
              I agree about the brand.
              Officially ISO / IEC 14443, but this name is not often used.
  9. Born_of_SSSR
    Born_of_SSSR 27 December 2020 22: 02
    +4
    So I'm thinking of selling an apartment and rushing to the village with my family, and all these covids and Google glitches, life is one, we did not notice how they made slaves of us. I remember the American film "Time", a copy of our life ...
    1. Flashpoint
      Flashpoint 28 December 2020 03: 29
      +1
      [quote = American movie "Time", a copy of our life ... [/ quote]
      This is where time ended - and you're a dead body? Timer after 25 years ... Good movie, recently revisited.
      And the village is also difficult, there is a lot of work ... You can buy many products and goods only in the city ... Education for children and the future ... Health (God forbid that it is serious) ...
  10. bk316
    bk316 27 December 2020 22: 07
    +4
    For example, there was a power outage in homes - where it is controlled by smart speakers from Google.

    Actually, I think it's a lie. What a smart home that turns OFF the electricity when the service is unavailable. Here I have a smart home from ectoservice. When he is not available, he simply ceases to be smart, but does not become crazy. Doesn't turn off electricity, doesn't pour water on the floor, and doesn't open doors wide.
    Second, digital services are just tools. They must be used wisely. There are services that can be used regardless of whose they are, and there are those that are not only dumb to use non-sovereign, but generally public (you deploy a server at home).
    1. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 02: 47
      0
      This is stretching and twitching, no doubt about it.
      But some excesses may be due to mistakes.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 27 December 2020 23: 28
    0
    Can't prevent .... LEAD!
    The world is somewhat different, the rules are practically the same.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 27 December 2020 23: 31
      0
      To do this, you need to understand at least something in confuters ... And I have problems with this ...
      Sincerely
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 December 2020 08: 22
    +1
    "The more stupid a person is, the more he gets into science. Like a cat to the fire." This is about me. The older you get, the more you want to know what you missed in your youth. How many people know about computers? I don’t think so. When there were ordinary radio receivers, no more than 1% of people knew the device and the principle of operation. About all kinds of attacks. Even a small boat can launch a big wave on the river. All smart equipment is susceptible to virus attacks. And analog technology is no longer there.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 28 December 2020 09: 46
      0
      After reading the posts above, I agree with you. Most members of the forum do not have IT education and do not differ in computer literacy ... For a long time I have not read such pearls about Wai Fai, DNS and online trading ...
      Sincerely
  13. Pavel73
    Pavel73 28 December 2020 11: 37
    +1
    In everything you need to know when to stop. There is absolutely no need, for example, to make some kind of super-smart house tied to Google. The comfort with which we surround ourselves has long become redundant.
    1. Gato
      Gato 28 December 2020 11: 47
      0
      The comfort we surround ourselves with has long become redundant

      It seems to me that the point is not in the excess of comfort, but in the immortality and dimensionlessness of show-off.
    2. bk316
      bk316 28 December 2020 14: 45
      -1
      The comfort with which we surround ourselves has long become redundant.

      I disagree. Why do I have a smart home in my country house?
      Fire. Do you want to burn out or suffocate from smoke at night in your sleep?
      Security. I don't really want to take the junk out of the house for half a day.
      Heating control. In winter, the house is about zero. It is impossible not to warm at all or very large hemorrhoids. I hope it's clear why. We leave with the family to the dacha. Little daughter, what will she do when it's -20 outside and 0 in the house? We turn on the heating in the operating mode and come to a warm house.
      Water supply management.Can you imagine what will happen if a pipe breaks through in winter, and you don't turn off the pump?

      And where is the excess comfort or show-off?
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 28 December 2020 14: 50
        0
        And without Google all this - in any way?
        1. bk316
          bk316 28 December 2020 14: 52
          0
          And without Google all this - in any way?

          Well I wrote above that my smart home is not Google, I have ectostroy - our office.
          But this cannot be done without a smart home.

          Or are you talking about the fact that everything can be done separately, but it can be 10 times more expensive.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 28 December 2020 14: 57
            0
            Well, it's hard for me to judge about the dacha: I don't have a dacha, since I live in a country house all the time. A gas boiler with automation, a well and an input into the house - with a heating cable, and a warm floor in the bathroom. Fire and signaling - probably yes, it makes sense to put. But it's hardly good to tie it all up on Google, that's what I mean.
            1. bk316
              bk316 28 December 2020 15: 09
              0
              But it's hardly good to tie it all up on Google, that's what I mean.

              Well, I never did. laughing
              Do you know why I chose ectostroy? IT WORKS WITHOUT INTERNET! You can manage only sms.

              well and entrance to the house - with heating cable

              The heating cable will not help, because the pipe can burst not only from freezing. Imagine a pipe burst, the pump pumps until it dies, and you are 300 km away ...
  14. Sergey Nemov
    Sergey Nemov 28 December 2020 22: 06
    +6
    Digital colonization: humanity becomes defenseless

    Humanity has long been defenseless, and now, with the development of digitalization, it has reached maximum defenselessness.
  15. SID
    SID 30 December 2020 11: 06
    0
    Until it is formed in Russia conceptually independent close-knit power group aimed at sovereign development of the Russian people and state, about any breakthroughs in the information sphere out of the question.