The American XM1299 howitzer on the third attempt destroyed the 2K12 Kub-M1 SAM loader

A video of testing the ninth prototype of the promising American 155-mm self-propelled howitzer XM1299 appeared on the Web. The video, originally uploaded by the US Army on DVIDS, later appeared on the YouTub channel of the military blogger Chingis Dambiev.

The description for the video says that the tests were carried out on December 19, 2020 at the US Army training ground in Yuma. The target was a 2T7M transport and loading vehicle on the ZIL-131 chassis of the 2K12 Kub-M1 air defense missile system of Soviet production, located at a distance of 70 km.

During the tests of the howitzer, three rounds were fired and only the third shot hit the target. The first shot was fired by the corrected (with inertial-satellite guidance) projectile XM1113 RAP with the new "supercharge" XM654. Deviation from the target was 200 meters. The second shot was fired by an upgraded 155 mm M982A1 Excalibur extended range guided active-reactive projectile. The target was also not hit, the cause was a hardware problem.

The third shot was fired with a conventional 155-mm M982A1 Excalibur long-range guided active-rocket projectile, so it hit the ground target.

The tests were found to be successful. According to Colonel Anthony Gibbs, the head of the ammunition project, several new ammunition for cannon artillery is currently being developed in order to increase the maximum firing range.

Comments

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

The first shot was fired by the corrected (with inertial-satellite guidance) projectile XM1113 RAP with the new "supercharge" XM654. Deviation from the target was 200 meters. The second shot was fired by an upgraded 155 mm M982A1 Excalibur extended range guided active-reactive projectile. The target was also not hit, the cause was a hardware problem.

Moreover, it was the ZIL-131 that had problems with the equipment.
Standing, you know, a dog, in the wrong place. (srkm)

[Rurikovich]

If I had gone, they would have yelled at all - "so dishonest, he must stand" !!! (srkm)

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Rurikovich

If I went, they would scream at all

"No, you saw, you saw ?! He has wheels !!"

[Aerodrome]

The American XM1299 howitzer on the third attempt destroyed the 2K12 Kub-M1 SAM loader

Grandfather at the reception of a sex therapist:
- Doctor, more than 3 times a week with my wife does not work.
- Grandfather, how old are you?
- 85.
- Grandfather, well this is excellent!
- Yes? And my neighbor says that with his wife every day, and he is 95!
- Well, so you say!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

"No, you saw, you saw ?! He has wheels !!"

"And the motor is running"

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Lipchanin

"And the motor is running"

"Russian developers ZIL-131 in this situation behaved extremely unprofessional."

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

"Russian developers ZIL-131 in this situation behaved extremely unprofessional."

Well, what you take from them, Asians

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, what you take from them, Asians

"We regard this as gross interference in the democratic process of targeting the shells. The answer will be tough."

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, what you take from them, Asians

"We regard this as gross interference in the democratic process of targeting the shells. The answer will be tough."

Remove the sanctions?
But this is inhuman !!!!

[Shurik70]

The comments are funny, of course.
But hitting a target 70 km away with a "conventional guided rocket projectile", even if it is standing, is very strong

[General failure]

Miss 200m adjustable a shell is also strong.
The firing range is impressive though.
That is, of course there are wines, but with a bad smell.

[76rtbr]

close Nord Stream 2

[figwam]

The American XM1299 howitzer on the third attempt destroyed the 2K12 Kub-M1 SAM loader

I think before the shelling at the meeting, the unprofessional and unsafe actions and behavior of Zil were discussed))).

[Evil Booth]

in general, all subsequent ones have a warning about radiation. and it is necessary to highlight it far from s70km)). long away!! rather from 7. and then, the flight time of the projectile is such that the beech will simply leave after receiving an auto-alert, and it is quite there that the projectile is coming. and a counter blow to the art will also be convincing))

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Evil Booth

in general, all subsequent ones have a warning about radiation. and it is necessary to highlight it far from s70km)). long away!! rather from 7. and then, the flight time of the projectile is such that the beech will simply leave after receiving an auto-alert, and it is quite there that the projectile is coming. and a counter blow to the art will also be convincing))

target illumination turns on a few seconds before it is hit. When the projectile is already on the trajectory. It is not necessary to "shine" the target all the time the projectile is flying

[Evil Booth]

your + 5 ignoramuses have no idea about both methods of aiming the WTO, especially since both are available current in the Russian Federation. and still the question from such a distance even on a flat planet, how will you highlight? Do you have a strong laser that soars for 70 km? even the one that stands on the Boeing cannot do that, and it is megawatt))))
a laser weapon for a moment35 can not only light up but damage enemy missiles at a distance of one hundred km but ... at an altitude of 15 km)) lower the atmosphere um .. 1000 times more powerful laser shatters not for 100 but for 10 km) and the earth insidiously round !!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Evil Booth

and still the question from such a distance even on a flat planet, how will you highlight? Do you have a strong laser that soars for 70 km?

o reading attentively, where did I talk about range? Do you also take pills from extraneous voices in your head?

If in essence, then everything is obvious, and not even worth the discussion. Since the laser is an optical device, it can only work within the direct line of sight, "direct fire". Since its power is limited (at least by the weight and dimensions of the system), then the distance of hundreds of kilometers, naturally, it will not "penetrate". Therefore, it provides illumination of the target of the ALC, the aircraft itself, the drone, etc., located directly in the target area.

[Evil Booth]

That is, in order to highlight the air defense for long-range art, Nuno first fly at a range of anti-aircraft missiles above him. here obviously someone's roof is leaking .. and it will not be cured anymore.

[Grigory_45]

You can grind your teeth for a long time, only here laser-guided systems have been used for a relatively long time and have proven themselves positively, despite the need to "illuminate" the target until the moment it is hit.
And now remember the very recent wars, the Karabakh and armed clashes in Libya, UAVs very successfully acted in the role of spotters and target designators. Laser-guided beans have been successfully used in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yugoslavia. If the losses of spotters were serious, it would have a resonance

[Evil Booth]

sho straight swaboda words? and so it is necessary to light up from a few km shorter)) and for a long time and there is a warning about radiation for example. In Syria, the shells were shot down very richly, but they burned the tanks there, or maybe they had already photoshopped them? In Livie, drones showed several shot down BGGGs for weeks a day, you just successfully joke strangely about yourself. in Yugoslavia, these points showed 1% accuracy. they burned 5 tanks and 2 s125 for fifteen hundred launches. and how will you illuminate from 10 km from the air an air defense complex operating on a laser carrier from 20? and how to hit with a projectile found on a shot passively and actively if it flies for 5 minutes and the air defense leaves just because of the principle that it works in motion. or has a mobility of 10 seconds or 20 but this is already a beech. I see nonsense as insane and senseless. There are no such lasers to illuminate a fixed stationary found in advance and so that the laser would increase it at 7 A at 70 km. NO))) there is no zircon either, or what? out on Mirg31 laser weapons and a hundred km noi at an altitude and on the nazih on tx they push several km of pier. In air defense, lasers are used to illuminate other things for artillery MZA for several kilometers. damned Rostec https://rostec.ru/news/4519507/ - Of course, you have feedback from the troops, from the main users of your weapons and military equipment. What are the feedback from the combat units?

- "Krasnopol" - direct hit weapon. It hits a stationary target with a probability of 0,85–0,95, and a target moving at a speed of up to 30 km per hour - with a probability of 0,7. To suppress a platoon strongpoint according to the firing tables, about 800 conventional artillery shells are needed, and 10–12 pieces of "Krasnopol" shells are enough.

This has been repeatedly tested and confirmed in the exercises of both the Soviet and Russian army.

but those from 200 meters missed. So the point is that I again first wrote 7 km and then zuggled and in the proof above too 7. and you .. and what do you tell yourself. and meanwhile in the United States it is not even clear who was glossing whom. Trump is definitely our agent.
and well, the system of permanent illumination and short illumination will also be carried out .. they can also be in a movable BUT, they are extremely rigidly vulnerable to interference and to detect the source of illumination. especially with regular use.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Evil Booth

but those from 200 meters missed

not from two hundred, but two hundred... There is a failure of the guidance system. The projectile flew along a ballistic trajectory, like an ordinary "blank".

I won't even comment on the rest of the nonsense

[Evil Booth]

for you are delusional. desperately avoid answering kka to highlight from 70 km what is highlighted only from 7? won Rostec 7 and 70 in the USA? wow !!!! filmed in Hollywood cartoons!
although the stop was split into 200 meters at a distance of 70 with a simple blank, this is something new .. usually such a miss goes to 000 and not 10 km))) GGYG are you all right?

[Grigory_45]

Are you a stupid person, or have you already refueled under the periscope? Where is it said that in the United States "shone" from 70 km? They shot from 70, and who and how "highlighted" the target - not a word. Read the articles carefully and take the pills for hallucinations.

[Evil Booth]

of course not a word! from the area of ​​the sumvolt a combat ship and from the armament there is nothing))) so you can not shoot at 70, highlighting from 7. you can shoot at 7)) but at 7 and so it will hit)) okay there are current spreads, these tales like hit the air defense from 70 namely, it is a lie to be served.

[Charik]

in general, the campaign turned off the head - they shot from 70 km - a miss of 200m, and an infantryman can illuminate them - they have such devices a dime a dozen - and uncle is talking about some nonsense about air combat lasers-Mig31e and Krasnopli-it happens-Sunday evening

[Evil Booth]

Mig35 officially has a laser weapon for a zomboy, and not for blinding, but for damage. it is necessary to highlight the arte target from the ground from 7 km ... otherwise the wto art will not be able to apply itself to the illumination ... it is as simple as the fact that in the us people die from covids 2 times more per day than in japan per year. just mad panama from that and trouble.

[Evil Booth]

kransopol falls and 200 meters past completely) finally finally. highlight well, highlight the current, first roll back the gun to the rear by 63 km)))

[Charik]

He's talking about Thomas, he's about erema, they hit from the third shot at a distance of 70 km and don't care, did they illuminate them with a laser or not, do any ACS have such a result?

[Evil Booth]

aa usa svoa draw a circle with the center in the place where the arrow hit)) but it looks not even funny.
So the coalition throws 70 km so the rules?

[Charik]

The coalition is 70 km-norm, but what is the accuracy of the hits?

[Evil Booth]

eot kraz it should be so))) though Krasnopol write to the manufacturers saying 7 km of illumination)) well, not 70)) bullshit for psychotic imbeciles they fired at 70 and now the art shvabodna covered the air defense)) yeah yeah.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Evil Booth

200 meters at a distance of 70 with a simple blank is something new .. usually such a miss goes to 000 and not 10 km))) GGYG are you doing well?

and you? Those. 10 km the projectile simply must deviate from the aiming point by two hundred meters? Well, he cannot hit the target in any way, it is simply impossible. Can you explain how the shells manage to get somewhere in this case?

[Evil Booth]

here at 8 km 55 meters for 155 mm https://otvet.imgsmail.ru/download/48f062aa759d3bb4a4346c963f426a46_i-8.jpg
you are a layman and do not understand anything about what you are arguing about if you do not know that the artillery is not shooting so accurately. here at 5 km you need 35 shots at an area target and at the same time out of 4 1 will probably survive and this, by the way, is the formula http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/ theory and probabilities in artillery. current does not need to be treated that 70 and 5 is different))) Yes, this is another Germans on their type of 40 km smeared a type of kilometer in a radius if in Afghanistan and not in the landfill.

[Charik]

something I do not believe that the radar station Cuba or Buka-can detect the shot of the Sau, and even more so the projectile itself-which will reach the place-faster than the complex folds into a marching-at least the radar needs to be folded to go-this is tzm and pu can and they can immediately jerk off - but how do they know that they are being shot at

[Charik]

no one has a roof-illumination makes a soldier from the ground who hid not far from the air defense system

[Charik]

LCC or IR illumination can be given by infantrymen

[mat-vey]

Quote: Gregory_45

It is not necessary to "shine" the target all the time of the projectile's flight, and it's stupid

In the firing tables, the time for "backlighting" is indicated.

[Charik]

Whether it's a Cube or a Buk-no M1, it's not clear what kind of auto-notification the air defense system has about a shot from an ACS at them? Even if it is, while the complex is folded into a marching one, the ACS will already spit out the entire BC.

[zenion]

The Soviet builders of ZIL put a bat on him and she beat off the shells to the right and left. And since she missed. Now a basket will be placed on the ZIL and it will catch the shells and throw them back to the thrower.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Standing, you know, a dog, in the wrong place. (srkm)

And didn't even hide

[Avrora17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Standing, you know, a dog, in the wrong place. (srkm)

And didn't even hide

Thank you Sergey laughed heartily ..

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avrora17

Thank you Sergey laughed heartily ..

Well, judging by the cons in your comment, someone is not laughing
Or dill started, or Biden started cyberwar

[Avrora17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Avrora17

Thank you Sergey laughed heartily ..

Well, judging by the cons in your comment, someone is not laughing
Or dill started, or Biden started cyberwar

ha ha ha .. Yes, here is Sergei of these divisions! Barely, they rush in a crowd and kick ..
When the minus goes down, it means OUR caravan is going right!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avrora17

ha ha ha .. Yes, here is Sergei of these divisions! Barely, they rush in a crowd and kick ..

I experienced myself more than once

[Avrora17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Avrora17

ha ha ha .. Yes, here is Sergei of these divisions! Barely, they rush in a crowd and kick ..

I experienced myself more than once

What should I do The main thing is not to succumb to provocations .. And go forward Sergey! Good luck and with the upcoming Lipetsk

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avrora17

Good luck and with the upcoming Lipetsk

and thank you too

[The popuas]

Rather on your nonsense ... few people understand, except you, the connection between ZIL 131 and Asians

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Popuas

Rather on your nonsense ..

You are a doctor?

few people understand, besides you, the connection between ZIL 131 and Asians request

Besides you, many people know that zaluzhniki consider us Asians

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Popuas

Rather on your nonsense ..

You are a doctor?

few people understand, besides you, the connection between ZIL 131 and Asians request

Besides you, many people know that zaluzhniki consider us Asians

He generally Popuas !!! That's why he doesn't understand! What will you take from the popuas ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Popuas

Rather on your nonsense ... few people understand, except you, the connection between ZIL 131 and Asians

This is a reference to the Bloc's poem "Scythians".
Any educated person understands this.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Any educated person understands this.

That's right, educated
And they gave me a minus because the ZIL was made in the USSR

[Avrora17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Any educated person understands this.

That's right, educated
And they gave me a minus because the ZIL was made in the USSR

! Already these mongrels hesitated here, bred and biting on the sly, under the control of the more important "tovaischa". Waiting, who were led and immediately the complaints flood ..)))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avrora17

Already these mongrels hesitated, bred here and biting on the sly, under the control of the more important "goods"

Another professional minus popped in

[Avrora17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Avrora17

Already these mongrels hesitated, bred here and biting on the sly, under the control of the more important "goods"

Another professional minus popped in

This is their job, Sergey!))) So bear with me, I’m out at all

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avrora17

This is their job, Sergey!)))

Yes, I put with the device on such their "work"

[Avrora17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Avrora17

This is their job, Sergey!)))

Yes, I put with the device on such their "work"

Sergey is easier for you. .And it's hard for me))))

[fox_rudy]

Guys, really, freak parade !!! ... minus players !!!

[businessv]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, judging by the cons in your comment, someone is not laughing

I read, laugh and amaze myself at the minuses! I think it's just people who came to work after their Christmas and didn't figure out what's what! Thank you for your good mood, colleagues!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: businessv

Thank you for your good mood, colleagues!

Happy old man

[Lipchanin]

Quote: businessv

I read, laugh and amaze myself at the minuses!

Look at my answer to you below and tell me, will a smart adequate person minus this answer?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: businessv

I read, laugh and amaze myself at the minuses!

The funniest and most importantly clever comments. What is called not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. I read it with pleasure.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Moreover, it was the ZIL-131 that had problems with the equipment.

131 ZIL, - a car of all times and peoples))

[Vasiliev S.]

Remember, sad ...
Winter rate - 51l / 100km
Wow gasoline could be sold

[Normal ok]

Quote: VasilievS

Remember, sad ...
Winter rate - 51l / 100km
Wow gasoline could be sold

It was like that, in the late 80s, I was sinful - I was selling ((But, did you find gasoline Urals? 100 liters, - 100 km. There was something to turn around on.

[Vasiliev S.]

No, already only with a KAMAZ engine ...
But I know - "Urals" drove 92, the breadwinner!

[Normal ok]

Quote: VasilievS

No, already only with a KAMAZ engine ...
But I know - "Urals" drove 92, the breadwinner!

Exactly. The engine is a beast. And ate like a beast. And, we slowly merged ((
And the KShM on the shishige + the topography machine on it. In winter, this and that 45 + 45 !!

[Mavrikiy]

Over 70 km, not bad.

2T7M transport and loading vehicle on the ZIL-131 chassis, 2K12 "Kub-M1" air defense missile system

Didn't you have enough money for PU?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Didn't you have enough money for PU?

Before the shooting we drank

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Lipchanin

Before the shooting we drank

The Rangers don't drink ... until noon.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Why are you breaking the buzz for the generals? !!!
They are glad that they were hit only the third time! And for a sofa - 70 km is not a distance! Although often commentators cannot get into the toilet, but these are trifles!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

couch generals buzz break

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

commentators cannot get into the toilet, but these are trifles!

Yeah, but the generals, by definition, fall. The third time.

[businessv]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Yeah, but the generals, by definition, fall. The third time.

If the adjutant is near!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: businessv

If the adjutant is near!

And not one

[fox_rudy]

You set up someone specifically !! Absolutely all comments are minus !!!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: fox_rudy

Absolutely all comments are minus !!!

Yes, I'm used to

You set up someone specifically !!

So go ahead and guess. After all, they are anonymous, from around the corner

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: businessv

If the adjutant is near!

Two attempts did not work out - call the adjutant.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

They are glad that they were hit only the third time!

So it was the first time. All three shots were fired independently of each other.
Two shots were fired as part of the development of new projectiles.
One serial projectile, but beyond the previously announced distance, it was 60 km.

[tralflot1832]

However, there is not enough money for Covid. Everything went to the banks. Only for "charging" it was enough. And if we smoke the area where the Cubans are based, we'll get somewhere!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Didn't you have enough money for PU?

Does it matter to you what the target is? Yes, even an old barn. The fact of defeat or miss is important.

[Dwarfking]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Moreover, it was the ZIL-131 that had problems with the equipment.
Standing, you know, a dog, in the wrong place. (srkm)

"Yes, his grenades are of the wrong system."

[Cron]

The first shot was fired by the corrected (with inertial-satellite guidance) projectile XM1113 RAP with the new "supercharge" XM654. Deviation from the target was 200 meters. The second shot was fired by an upgraded 155 mm M982A1 Excalibur extended range guided active-reactive projectile. The target was also not hit, the cause was a hardware problem.
The third shot was fired with a conventional 155-mm M982A1 Excalibur long-range guided active-rocket projectile, so it hit the ground target.

And you are different, they say we are lagging behind, high technologies, high matters there. Everything goes according to plan))

[Reserve buildbat]

A new fashionable projectile - by 200m, the modernized "Excalibur" is also by, but they do not say how much. And only the old "Excalibur" got to the right place
What a pleasant dynamics the new shells have.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Stroibat stock

What a pleasant dynamics the new shells have.

Ahead of the whole planet they walk

[businessv]

Quote: Stroibat stock

What a pleasant dynamics the new shells have.

This is what I paid attention to, but you expressed this idea brighter! Thank you! With both hands for!

[tralflot1832]

I have a suspicion that on the old "Magic Sword" schemes made in the United States, on subsequent made in China.

[Mountain shooter]

"Excalibur" is a well-known and used system for a long time ... The rest, I think, are experienced ...
"Excalibur" works on GPS ... For this, there are electronic warfare systems that suppress or distort GPS signals in one way or another ... Such a cover works in the target area - you will not get there.

[Dwarfking]

shh. Let them complicate things further. Maybe at least a heart rate sensor will be introduced there and a connector for fast charging. The more this ammo depends on external data obtained online, the better and the faster the printing press will run out of life.

[Avrora17]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

"Excalibur" is a well-known and used system for a long time ... The rest, I think, are experienced ...
"Excalibur" works on GPS ... For this, there are electronic warfare systems that suppress or distort GPS signals in one way or another ... Such a cover works in the target area - you will not get there.

Why are you explaining this to them Eugene !? They would only be snide here and shit

[Dimide]

The third round for 70 km.
I understand that "XM1299" is an analogue of "Msta-S"

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Dimid

I understand that "XM1299" is an analogue of "Msta-S"

Rather, closer to the "Coalition", with the exception that the tower is inhabited.
However, in the future, the possibility of creating an unmanned version of the ACS is being considered.

[rocket757]

The more complex the product, the technique, the more difficult it is to make it work as it should ...

[nobody75]

The point is in the well-known dilemma of modern artillery ... It makes no sense to shoot at a distance of more than 20 km with an unguided projectile because of dispersion and time of arrival. And with the managed - another problem. Large overloads experienced by the electronics when fired. In order to achieve an increase in range, a high speed of the projectile at the muzzle is needed. And this means an increase in overload. Failure of electronics - and the guided projectile turns into a blank ...
Sincerely

[voyaka uh]

"And with controlled - another problem. Large overloads experienced by the electronics when firing." ///
---
Rather, a big overheating.
The GPS receiver of a conventional Excalibur, however, holds up.
In the new experimental shells, the Americans have inserted, I suspect, also an optical system for correcting above the target. Here it is, probably, and was damaged at the exit from the barrel.

[nobody75]

Overheat? Is it high combustion temperature or aerodynamic heating? Although ... overheating is possible due to the operation of the solid propellant rocket or failure due to the plasma ignition of the propellant charge, which should provide geometric combustion. You can't figure it out without half a liter ...
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

Ilya, earlier you did not answer my question about the university in which you studied. Is this a military secret?

[nobody75]

No, not a secret ... And, excuse me, what caused your interest?
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

The interest is sparked by the many terms used in the discussion.

[nobody75]

Did I write something wrong somewhere?
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

Yes, so, scientific vocabulary interested. Directly new Gridasov. That is, about the university - will not. All clear.

[nobody75]

I am a simple "spherical humanist" scientific vocabulary (and by the way, what is it?) I get copy-paste ... I don't delve into semantics ...
Sincerely

[Kart]

Sofa building institute?
I see.

[nobody75]

How did you guess ?! Colleague???
Sincerely

[nobody75]

About the modern Russian education system ...

Sincerely

[rocket757]

An active rocket projectile, which is also an expensive pleasure, and also everything that should give a reduction in range and accuracy must be super durable.
It's just a rocket of the type used in multiple launch rocket systems, an option that has its drawbacks ...
In general, while nothing universal has a fundamental advantage over specialized ones when they are used for the tasks for which they were created.
We need new, fundamental decisions .... but for now, closer guns, missiles away.

[nobody75]

For example, I have been thinking for a long time about a smooth-bore howitzer under a controlled feathered sub-caliber projectile with PRVD. The propellant charge should only ensure the supersonic operation of the pvd. Further acceleration - like a cr ...
Sincerely

[rocket757]

Designers work ... when technologies allow them to realize their fantasies, ideas, then a new, lethal one will appear.

[nobody75]

And technology already allows ... to get a supersonic loitering ammunition.
Sincerely

[rocket757]

Well, yes, loitering ammunition or a simple projectile ... the price is not comparable.
"The economy of war", everything has to be considered.

[nobody75]

I am also thinking about recoilless helicopter-based 152 caliber under a sub-caliber feathered guided projectile with pvd ...
Advantages compared to ACS weight
1 Quick access to a position and its change
2 the ability to fire at maximum range by helicopter climb
3 Insensitivity of the platform to counter-battery fight
Sincerely

[rocket757]

The helicopter is a big, expensive object! It gets knocked down by air defense means at one, two, three ...

[nobody75]

It depends from what distance it will work! While in my model mat the projectile is flying for 30 km.
Sincerely

[rocket757]

Quote: nobody75

It depends from what distance it will work!

And with what? Is she so "safe" ??? inaccessible to an anti-aircraft missile.
A helicopter is an object for which it is not a pity to spend missiles, JUSTIFIED.

[nobody75]

If I manage to bring it to 50, I will draw an art project ...
Sincerely

[Vadim_888]

... I'm also thinking about recoilless helicopter-based 152 caliber under a sub-caliber feathered guided projectile with pvd ...

..... can shoot from the depths of its zone using the terrain, without falling under both optical and radar detection equipment .....
Test +

[Aviator_]

What you are thinking about is an armor-piercing active-rocket projectile (BARS). It was put into service in the mid-80s. What is the current state - I do not know.

[nobody75]

On the element base of the 80s? I doubt it ...
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

Doubt as much as you like. When our troops were withdrawn from the territory of the GDR, one major fled to the west with a sample of such a shell. It was in the late 80s.

[nobody75]

In the 80s we did not have a satellite navigation system, but I want a howitzer and a shell for it ...
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

What does the satellite navigation system have to do with the armor-piercing tank projectile, the value of this design is that thanks to the ramjet engine it maintains its muzzle velocity at the range of a direct shot and a little further, that is, it is a scrap against which there is no reception, what kind of armor is not the city. The only way to fight is active defense.

[nobody75]

A satellite system is needed in order to shoot from MLRS with such a "crowbar". It seems that Shipunov - junior is engaged in the topic "Peck 2" ... But I think hypersound is superfluous. The modeling I carried out showed that the required range and efficiency can be achieved even on the 3M. Scrap is equipped with solid propellant, which accelerates it to 2M. Then pvd and satellite navigation are turned on.
Sincerely

[svp67]

Quote: Aviator_

The only way to fight is active defense.

And how will she save you from such a "super scrap"? Will the reaction time be enough?

[Aviator_]

And how will she save you from such a "super scrap"? Will the reaction time be enough?

Quite. Think for yourself - when an object is detected flying at a speed of 1000 m / s for 100 m, there is 100 ms for the system to trigger, this is a lot.

[nobody75]

What do you think about the optimal trajectory point for turning on a solid propellant rocket or an active ramjet - a rocket?
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

I think that R&D on this topic is classified.

[nobody75]

What's the secret? I have all the layouts in the motherboard and matlab on the laptop ...
By the way, Happy New Year!
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

What's the secret? I have all the layouts in the motherboard and matlab on the laptop ...

Contact GRAU on the Frunzenskaya embankment, where your work will be evaluated professionally.

[nobody75]

By the way, not aware of the fate of the defector, did it add to his happiness?

And turning to GRAU will add happiness to me?
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

Well, for some reason you are turning here, really for happiness?

[nobody75]

In some way, for happiness ... I hoped that no one would ask for a diploma ... And in GRAU they would immediately ask ... You can't do with copy-paste from the Internet ...
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

In GRAU they don't ask for a diploma. At the entrance, only the passport is asked if you issue a pass. On occasion, talk to VO with Gridasov, you have a lot in common. Good luck.

[nobody75]

All the same, you need to put on a mask ... Sick are they all there probably? Or did you hear the "gases" command? Therefore, until V (grau) not ON (Frunzenskaya embankment) I will not go ...
And where does the academician Gribasov ???
Best regards and Happy New Year?

[nobody75]

Contact GRAU

Why would a person who can generalize the principle of least action to all probabilistic trajectories of the multiverse (remember that you reminded me of this idea of ​​Feynman) any grau?
I think you have everything in order with your customer base!

Sincerely

[svp67]

Quote: Aviator_

During the withdrawal of our troops from the territory of the GDR, one major fled to the west with a sample of such a shell. It was in the late 80s.

Hmm ... actually it was a lieutenant colonel, the commander of one of the tank regiments, by the name of Kolesnikov, and he stole the documentation and the Tank Guided Projectile itself ...

[Aviator_]

Thank you for clarifying the information that remained in my head, I wrote it. By the way, not aware of the fate of the defector, did it add to his happiness?

[alexmach]

It's just a rocket of the type used in multiple launch rocket systems, an option that has its drawbacks ...

You can ask what is wrong with missiles. I now see no need to fence this vegetable garden with controlled artillery shells, except to make the artillery mounts more versatile.

[nobody75]

There has always been one problem with missiles, it is also an advantage:
"I carry everything with me." Fuel, oxidizer, control system.
If we talk about cruise missiles with a turbojet or ramjet engine, then they are forced to carry a starting rocket motor with them. The idea with a guided active-rocket projectile with pvd is to accelerate the projectile in the gun barrel to a speed at which pvd efficiency will be maximum. I already posted the picture below

Thus, it would be interesting to disperse the projectile from PVD to 2M due to the propellant charge.
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

I am glad that you have mastered the gas-dynamic functions, but I would like to note that what you call the ancient Greek letter "Beta" is traditionally called the total pressure P0 ("pe zero"). Take "Applied Gas Dynamics" by G.N. Abramovich, you will find a lot of useful things there.

[nobody75]

Thanks for reminding me! I will definitely reread it ... And I called betta because of the nasty peculiarity of the matkad for all known "letters" of the dimension to substitute ... You understand - it's hard for me as a humanitarian ...
Sincerely

[nobody75]

Excuse me, do you check all the "fresh" pictures from the Internet or just mine? What makes you think that these calculations I did?
Sincerely

[Aviator_]

So you are not even able to calculate anything? I thought too well of you. Continue to rule the Universe according to the precepts of Richard Feynman.

[nobody75]

Where can I go !!! I turned to you for help !!! And you, sorry, radish ...
Sincerely

[rocket757]

Quote: alexmach

You can ask what is wrong with missiles.

Each system has its own "flaws", including the need to consider the economic aspects!
It is not advisable to use more expensive systems for tasks that are successfully performed by cheaper ones.
"The economy of war", without it there is no way and nowhere.

[alexmach]

It is not advisable to use more expensive systems for tasks that are successfully performed by cheaper ones

This idea is understandable and logical, but how much in reality is a guided missile in a callibre, say Grad, to compare a comparable one, will it be more expensive than a guided artillery shell, with the same guidance method? and most importantly, how will it be more expensive? The size and amount of fuel?

[rocket757]

Quote: alexmach

in callibre, let's say Grada, to compare a comparable one will be more expensive than a guided artillery shell

Can you imagine what the art installation will be and how much it will cost, if it should also shoot with an ANALOGICAL CHARGE for 40 km. though!!!
Are we going to talk about a cannon like a half of the "Parisian" or about standard field artillery ??? sufficient for most tactical tasks.

[alexmach]

So, the first thing I realized above is that it is not at all correct to compare the 152mm artillery shell with the Tornado. All the same, the Tornado's capabilities are really redundant where there is enough Atrerelia shell.

Can you imagine what the art installation will be

So after all, an art installation is not needed for firing a rocket. Only guides are needed, while the guides-TPK of the same notorious Hermes can be placed almost on a jeep. Such an installation will be significantly cheaper than a self-propelled gun. Yes, of course we lose in versatility.

[rocket757]

Those. rocket artillery. A rocket can be launched from a slate sheet, but the rocket itself is not a cheap thing if you need range, accuracy, and a powerful warhead.
We will not discuss how Israel is bombarded with rockets made from a water pipe.
This means that the rocket is industrially manufactured with the appropriate filling .... A worthy option, but it has its pros and cons, compared to a cannon. Like a cannon, it has its limitations and disadvantages.
Those. each weapon has its own task, place and time.

[Vadim_888]

... I now see no need to fence this garden with controlled artillery shells,

The need for the inability of the enemy to detect gun mount data

[Vasiliev S.]

Overloading is not a problem, filling with compound and that's it!

[nobody75]

Experiment:
1 Fill the laptop with compound
2 Drop him off the balcony
3 Repeat the experiment 10 - 15 times with laptops of different models
4 Process the results of the "bombing". Although no ... you cannot cope with this alone ... you need a drinking companion after the experiments!
Sincerely

[rocket757]

Quote: VasilievS

Overloading is not a problem, filling with compound and that's it!

Modern electronics is not a lump of mounted parts, as it once was .... One mono unit, and the rest are actuators. BUT, there are nodes that cannot be filled with compound !!! Have not yet come up with a thruster drive, in which there are no moving parts!
It's a matter of strength, it's a matter of PRICE! Not everyone can afford shells at the price of "gold".

[seregin-s1]

Who came up with the idea of ​​dragging the 131st across the ocean in order to unload? That's where they saw!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: seregin-s1

Who came up with the 131st overseas to drag

He goes there on his own

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Lipchanin

He goes there on his own

Atlantic Ocean wade.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Atlantic Ocean wade.

Well, he is "MADE IN THE USSR"

[voyaka uh]

The Americans are buying up Russian equipment written off in different countries and placing it at their landfills. While operational - radars, missiles, planes, tanks - train on it. Defective - used as targets.

[Virus-free crown]

In the 1980s, in the middle, there was one original general in the USSR Armed Forces, who adopted new shooting weapons - I speak from the words of my Teacher at the institute))) the firing was at 30-35 km with new guided projectiles, it was soooo)))

The general went to the test site, put his general's hat on the ground, then the whole crowd went into cover with observation devices, and the score was excellent only if they got into his priest the first time)))) but here they can't get into the whole car)) ))))))

[Arnaut]

To be honest, I didn't quite understand the laughter in the comments.
How many shots will the Russian self-propelled guns take into a stationary vehicle at a distance of 70 km?
And at 60?
And at 50?
And at 40?
And at 30?

And who will issue target designation to the commander of a single Russian self-propelled gun at a distance of 70 km?
And at 50?
And at 30?

As I understand it, in the presence of target designation (and there are questions here) such work can be performed by a volley of Tornado or Hurricane. And that's not a fact. What is the reaction time of the Tornado to the identified target?
And then there are three shells. And a different shell. If they had just shot the third, they would have hit with ONE shell.
There is something to think about and what to change in tactics.

[aleks26]

Quote: Arnaut

And who will issue target designation to the commander of a single Russian self-propelled gun at a distance of 70 km?

Wow !!! You want to say that America. howitzer fired without control unit? Or do you think that there is no one in the Russian Armed Forces to issue the control center?

[Arnaut]

What is this Americanism "Wow"? Not enough Russian words?
1. American self-propelled guns fired with target designation.
2. Can a Russian SPG fire at 70 km with target designation?
3. Who will be able to issue an operational target designation for 70 km to a single Russian ACS?
4. Is the data from these tests a reason to amend the statutes and regulations?

[aleks26]

Quote: Arnaut

1. American self-propelled guns fired with target designation.

Well, this is clear to the horse, from my side it was sarcasm.

Quote: Arnaut

2. Can a Russian SPG fire at 70 km with target designation?

Certainly.

Quote: Arnaut

3. Who will be able to issue an operational target designation for 70 km to a single Russian ACS?

Well, yes, Russia does not have intelligence means, however, savages. And what is the fundamental difference between a control center for a single ACS and a control center for a battery?

[Arnaut]

2. How many shells does the Coalition need to ensure that a vehicle is hit at a distance of 70 km? How Much Do Coalition Troops Need? When will they be in the army?
3. I have a little idea (at the scientific-pop level) how American UAVs will issue operational target designation to the commander of the ACS. But I can't imagine who and how will do it for the Coalition commander. If you know and this information is not classified, then tell us.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

To hit a car with a 155mm howitzer it is enough to hit a shell 25 meters from the car, maybe more. The old woman d20 smashed the target by 15 km with one shot, she certainly has a range of only 18 km with an ordinary projectile, but this is during exercises, and here it is on tests.

[alexmach]

How many shells does the Coalition need to guarantee the destruction of a car at a distance of 70 km?

So again, depending on what kind of shells.

[Arnaut]

How many of the most advanced (existing) Coalition projectiles does it take to destroy a vehicle 70 km away?

[voyaka uh]

There were GPS coordinates

[businessv]

Quote: Arnaut

How many shots will the Russian self-propelled guns take into a stationary vehicle at a distance of 70 km?

You, apparently, did not quite understand where, how and under what circumstances, not shooting (!), But tests were carried out. Here it was completely clear to everyone where the goal was, what the goal was, what were the coordinates of the goal and its mobility. So in this case, thinking about tactics is an unnecessary and thankless task.

[Arnaut]

I got it. At the range, the self-propelled guns fired and hit the target 70 km away with the FIRST shell of this type.
Yes, the crew was fresh, but there was no physical and psychological stress in a real war. But the technology works. And during hostilities, they will accurately hit the target with two or three shells. And there is no need to calm yourself down with electronic warfare. Firstly, we do not know how "the best and have no analogues" (though we should not know this) and what they say about them really can. And secondly, EW installations will be the primary targets. And for aviation, and for UAVs and now for artillery. So you need to calculate the option when there is no electronic warfare.
And the "targets" 60 km from the front line should take into account that they have literally a few minutes from the moment they are detected until the moment the first "suitcase" arrives. Otherwise, death and failure to complete a combat mission.

[businessv]

Quote: Arnaut

... And you don't need to reassure yourself with electronic warfare. Firstly, we do not know how "the best and have no analogues" (though we should not know this) and what they say about them really can. And secondly, EW installations will be the primary targets.

I do not quite understand what exactly you want to say, colleague! At first you were not faithful in the accuracy of our howitzers, now you are not sure that it is advisable for us to use electronic warfare, although this was not discussed at all. Don't worry, everything will be as good as possible, because everything is not as bad as you think!

[Arnaut]

1. Where can I read about how many shells the Coalition needs to hit a single target at 70 km?
2. It is necessary to use electronic warfare. It is necessary to increase the characteristics of electronic warfare. It is necessary to saturate the EW troops. It is necessary to improve the tactics of application.
But it is impossible to sprinkle oneself with the thoughts "EW will solve everything". It is necessary to tighten the deployment / collapse / relocation standards for all units in what used to be called the operational rear.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Twist.
Target designation and adjustment is carried out by low-altitude and light UAVs in our army, there are more than 2000 of them, the range is just. This is all right.
They say the Coalition can shoot 80 km. With what kind of shell, when the tests were carried out and in general it is a plan or reality - it is not clear.
The depth of the front increases, and the concept of "front" is blurred. Already, strikes can be delivered up to 100 km in depth. UAVs and OTRKs are even larger. If we do not take into account classical aviation.
Electronic warfare works both ways. Azerbaijan used it much more actively and efficiently than Armenia. Only the IDF has such a number of electronic warfare systems as in the US troops.

[Arnaut]

Is there a channel that quickly connects these 2000 UAVs with the commander of the ACS?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Yes of course. The spotter is not in the trenches, as in the old days, but behind the UAV monitor screen. Gives target designation and adjustment. With this, everything is ok.

[72jora72]

Yes of course. The spotter is not in the trenches as in the old days,

I will upset you, usually the spotter is at the very front ...

[businessv]

Quote: Arnaut

Is there a channel that quickly connects these 2000 UAVs with the commander of the ACS?

You may be surprised, but that's what it is called: an operational communication channel! Today almost all technology is tied to the application of network-centric control.

[Arnaut]

I guess.
The operational channel of the Orlan-Msta link in ideal conditions (without air defense and electronic warfare) makes it possible to hit the target from 20-30 km. I do not know what is the standard for the number of shells per single car with such a shooting. But definitely not one.
So? Only Tornado or Hurricane. By area. With a significant time delay. The command to use such systems is not given by the crew commander.

[businessv]

Quote: Arnaut

So? Only Tornado or Hurricane.

If I'm not mistaken, this was in your first post!

[Arnaut]

From the general laughter of the commentators, I understand that I don’t know something.
In my understanding, no one will shoot a volley of Tornado at a single car. And because it is expensive, and because it takes a long time to organize a volley, and because the Tornado during the start / after the start is a very convenient and fat target. This means that the people at the topvar know how to solve this problem. And if it's not under the stamp, then please share your thoughts. I want to laugh too.

[businessv]

Quote: Arnaut

In my understanding, no one will shoot a volley of Tornado at a single car.

Then why are you writing about this so persistently?

[Arnaut]

Because most commentators laugh at the fact that partners have weapons that will be able to shoot opponents of democracy with impunity like in a dash.

[businessv]

Quote: Arnaut

Because most commentators laugh at the fact that partners have weapons that will be able to shoot opponents of democracy with impunity like in a dash.

Don't take everything so literally, colleague! They tested new projectiles, in my opinion not very successful, with a spread of 200 m, taking into account the data in the projectile before the shot and the fact that the target was destroyed by a regular projectile. And colleagues in the chat are not laughing because a high-precision weapon appears - in such cases it is no laughing matter, just having fun because so far nothing good comes out of the "partners" (ugh, ugh, ugh, so as not to jinx it!). Read about our Krasnopol, it may become calmer, despite the range, but they are working on it today!

[72jora72]

There is something to think about and what to change in tactics.

No !, we'll laugh at stupid Americans and practice wit.

[voyaka uh]

70 km is serious.
The target was struck by a regular un-upgraded Excalibur.

[sharp-lad]

I wonder what will be cheaper, the "old" Excalibur or the Tornado projectile with homing elements?

[Dmitry Makarov]

The "Tornado" round will be more expensive, but if it is a cassette one, it will cover everything that moves on a couple of hectares.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The third time. The second retaliatory shot of the American XM1299 howitzer turned into smoking embers

[Arnaut]

What has become?

[72jora72]

What has become?

Itself was destroyed from sparkling humor ...

[Sasha from Uralmash]

And what's the news!

[aleks26]

Quote: Sasha from Uralmash

And what's the news!

Probably the fact that the amers have an ACS? (Sarcasm)

[Gennady Fomkin]

Jihad mobile starts and wins.

[faterdom]

And each Excalibur stands like a bunch of such TPM.

[Vasiliev S.]

Do not think correctly.
It does not matter how much the goal is worth - it is important which task is thwarted.

[Gennady Fomkin]

range 70 km ........ ... PLZ05- Country: PRC
Start of operation: 2008
Maximum speed: 55 km / h
Crew: 4 - 5 people.
Caliber: 155 mm
Barrel length: 52 calibers
Range: 550 km
The PLZ-05 is equipped with an automatic gun loading system developed on the basis of the Russian Msta-S self-propelled guns. The rate of fire is 8 rounds per minute. The howitzer cannon has a caliber of 155 mm and a barrel length of 54 calibers. The gun ammunition is located in the turret. It consists of 30 155mm rounds and 500 rounds for a 12,7mm machine gun.
2С35 "Coalition-SV" Country: Russia
Start of operation: 2015
Maximum speed: 60 km / h
Crew: 5 people.
Caliber: 152 mm
Barrel length: 52 calibers
Range: 500 km
Developed in the Nizhny Novgorod Central Research Institute "Burevestnik". ACS 2S35 is designed to destroy tactical nuclear weapons, artillery and mortar batteries, tanks and other armored equipment, anti-tank weapons, manpower, air defense and missile defense systems, command posts, as well as to destroy field fortifications and prevent enemy reserves from maneuvering in the depths of his defense. ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Range: 550 km

delivered)))
This parameter is called the power reserve.

[ender]

Range: 550 km

on other physical principles (c)

[Bad_gr]

M982A1 Excalibur
Cost:
Block 1a-1 - $ 232
Block 1a-2 - $ 160

"...... In June 2006, Raytheon signed a contract for the production of 335 Excalibur shells and the provision of related services for $ 42,7 million this fiscal year ..." - this turns out to be $ 127 462,68
I looked at the price tags for the ZIL-131 - more than a dozen can be bought for the cost of one shell.

[Evil Booth]

They say they say that 2 times less warheads should be thrown instead of 26 km by 40 https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/48747/pub_5bdbf15d6fa35900ab19c594_5bdbf5aa4d228700ac44b310/scale_1200
Well, with the flight time there are minutes and the mobility of the beech is 20 seconds. the reaction time of our counter-battery systems is instantaneous by the way, according to the official read about the MO. This is by the way to the delight of the low-paid that I deuzhrngo everything and always minus. hello to you, shmulik (s) mentioned in the will as requested

[Vasiliev S.]

Messy again.
Now zil-s - at the price of scrap metal.
Calculate by vacation pay and taking into account dollar inflation.
And inflation is very high.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: VasilievS

.... Calculate by vacation pay and taking into account dollar inflation ..

Why not count? the Americans could shoot at a plywood board, at a lone tree at the range. But no, they wanted to emphasize that they are getting into OUR car. And if you want to accentuate this, then let's continue. How many shells of one and a half hundred thousand dollars were needed to hit it? THREE. Almost half a million dollars cost their successful (tests were recognized as successful) target coverage. And this is on condition that neither electronic warfare nor air defense is working and there is no need to rush so as not to fall under the counter-battery response.

[Vasiliev S.]

These calculations of yours are utter folly.
And if they fired, purely for example - by means of a crossing made by enemy soldiers from improvised means?
Which cost nothing.
Well, or an insignificant amount ...
And what?!
But nothing - the enemy's plans are thwarted!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: VasilievS

These calculations of yours are utter folly.

Foolishness not to take into account the cost of the projectile. At this price, they won't order a lot. Therefore, where it would be necessary to destroy the crossing in the ammunition of the cannon, they may simply not be, or be in insufficient quantity, (as in this case, it took three of them to destroy the target)

[APASUS]

I see the people here are screaming at the Americans, but the most important thing was not noticed. We have such systems and shells in the Army, are we talking about hitting a target at a distance of 70 km? That we went to the Krasnopol M5 or Centimeter M5 series, maybe the Verge has overcome such a distance .......

[Avrora17]

Quote: APASUS

I see the people here are scolding the Americans, but the most important thing is not noticed.

Yes, it does not get rid of it, but it fights back ..

Quote: APASUS

We have such systems and projectiles in the Army, are you talking about hitting a target at a distance of 70 km? That we went to the Krasnopol M5 or Centimeter M5 series, maybe the Verge has overcome such a distance ..

Here is the real question ..But the Americans are unlikely to come to us or their adherents with such guns ... They will sell, there is competition

[sergo1914]

Three shots? Against serious guys? Already in the late 80s, the third shell in the ammunition load was considered superfluous. For if you didn't hit and didn't eat ... I was driving after the second one - you can relax and have fun. Well, turn around in the tower. But not for long. It arrives quickly.

[Vasiliev S.]

And who said that you have to stand?

[sergo1914]

Quote: VasilievS

And who said that you have to stand?

On the run? Long barrel? How are the cowboys?

[72jora72]

On the run? Long barrel? How are the cowboys?

Watch a video of the use of tanks in Syria and our Donbass, you will see a lot of interesting ...

[sergo1914]

Quote: 72jora72

On the run? Long barrel? How are the cowboys?

Watch a video of the use of tanks in Syria and our Donbass, you will see a lot of interesting ...

Do you understand the difference between a howitzer and a tank?

[1536]

Whats wrong with that? The usual artillery "fork": the first shot - overflight, the second - undershoot and the third - hitting the target.
This is different. It is necessary to develop protection of each unit of military equipment from any shells, to exclude its transformation into a static target. To include drones in military technical complexes that destroy any security threat from the air within a radius of 100 km, conduct continuous electronic warfare, knocking projectiles off course, trying to return them to where they come from, etc. things to do and implement them in the troops.
In short, so that the Americans, if they dare to attack Russia on the next summer night, are faced with big surprises and surprises, and the ZIL-131 is seen as a target in their terrible dreams.

[sergo1914]

Quote: 1536

so what? The usual artillery "fork": the first shot - overflight, the second - undershoot and the third - hitting the target.

The concept has changed a bit. For local excess chromosomal carriers - yes. Under-flight-target. But this is no longer relevant. The first shot gives the position. Further: MLRS, helicopters, attack aircraft, art. Don't run away.
PS I vote for the identification of pros and cons. You need to know heroes by sight. Mentally flawed people are not only moderators here. Let's give the unfortunate opportunity. For medical but free help.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: APASUS

I see the people here are screaming at the Americans, but the most important thing was not noticed. We have such systems and shells in the Army, are we talking about hitting a target at a distance of 70 km? That we went to the Krasnopol M5 or Centimeter M5 series, maybe the Verge has overcome such a distance .......

Not fired - a projectile "XM1113 RAP with a new" supercharge "XM654. Deviation from the target was 200 meters. The second shot was fired by a modernized 155-mm guided active-rocket projectile with an increased range of 70 km? In Syria, the Krasnopol high-precision guided missiles were used for the first time. The characteristics on them read: "designed to destroy armored targets and military targets from the first shot." This is, of course, a hyperbole. However, it is not so far from the truth. The probability of hitting a target at a distance of up to 25 kilometers reaches 97%. This does not require any preliminary zeroing. Everything is decided by automation. There are only two technologies of guided artillery weapons in the world: the American concept of aerodynamic control ACAG and the Russian concept of impulse correction RCIC. ACAG technology, first implemented in the American 155-mm Copperhead projectile, has become widespread throughout the world. In particular, it is precisely this that is being implemented by the domestic guided missiles Krasnopol, Kitolov and the Gran 'mine developed by the Instrument-Making Design Bureau (KBP) in Tula, headed by the famous Arkady Shipunov. Impulse correction is a purely Russian patented development, implemented, for example, in the "Centimeter" shells and "Smelchak" mines of the "Ametech" company. What is the difference between ACAG and RCIC? To put it simply, guided weapons are preferable to use for delicate high-precision shooting, corrected - for accurate. In turn, the Americans made a 155-mm Copperhead projectile, which is corrected in the same way as Krasnopol. In 1988, its modification Copperhead-2 appeared. But it was withdrawn from service at the beginning of the century due to the great complexity of operation and high cost of production. In addition, Copperhead's range "did not reach" Krasnopol-M2 by almost 10 kilometers.

At the moment, the Americans are using a different guidance scheme - non-inertial plus GPS. But this does not provide ultra-precise quality - the circular probable deviation of the M982 Excalibur active-rocket projectile is 20 meters. And this is more likely to fire on squares, and not on targets. Moreover, if "Krasnopol" is capable of striking targets moving at speeds up to 36 km / h, that is, tracked vehicles, then the "American" works only with stationary targets.

True, its flight range is 60 km. However, there is reason to assume that the newest self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV" surpasses these indicators not only in range, but also in firing accuracy. It is known for certain that the active-rocket projectile of this installation flies 70 kilometers. Everything else about this ammunition is kept secret. It is only known that it was created on the basis of Krasnopol.

[Arnaut]

The Coalition knows about 70 km. But not for certain. At the level of slips of the tongue and omissions. It's just that every year there is talk that this year we would test the Coalition's superweapon, which will shoot up to 80 km. The next year everything repeats itself. We will test. And what did past tests show ...

[Vasiliev S.]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

patented development

Not essential.
Just for show.

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

non-inertial plus GPS

What ?!

[nobody75]

non-inertial plus GPS

This, excuse me, how?
Sincerely

[certero]

I understand that the author wants to belittle the achievements of the Americans a little, but the words "only from the third shot hit the target at a distance of 70 km" seems all the same excessive.
In fact, the achievement is just drop dead and very dangerous. Just because an artillery shell, unlike a rocket, is almost impossible to shoot down, and there is nothing to shoot it down with.

[mark2]

And despite all the newfangled things, even in the 21st century, the target is struck from the third shot: undershoot, flight, hit. Complete crap with all these GPS, satellites, corrected projectiles. Everything will be decided by the skill of the artillerymen, not the masters of mobile finger-abuse.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: mark2

the target is struck from the third shot: undershot, overshoot, hit. Complete crap with all these GPS, satellites, corrected projectiles. Everything will be decided by the skill of the artillerymen, not the masters of mobile finger-abuse.

Yes, as a bum, in fact, there was no undershoot or flight.
The first shell just broke.
The second was blown away by the wind, it turned out to be stronger than the steering gears could work out. The capabilities of the projectile were stupidly tested in extreme conditions.
The third, accurate shot was fired by another projectile and in different conditions, and it is not even a fact that on the same day, i.e. in fact, he was the first in the series.
And only the fact of the shot depends on the skill of the ACS crew, i.e. keep the cannon in good working order and have time to shove the projectile into the breech; everything else is reconnaissance, target designation, navigation and control system.

[nznz]

I dare to guess .. Zil moved towards the projectile and maneuvered so that it would definitely hit. and this is not protective ..

[Mikhail Zakharov]

do not say but the result is gorgeous

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Mikhail Zakharov

do not say but the result is gorgeous

Where?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: Mikhail Zakharov

do not say but the result is gorgeous

Where?

Have you read the article?

the shot was fired with a conventional 155-mm long-range guided missile M982A1 Excalibur, ... it hit a ground target

Those. the projectile showed the same accuracy as a guided missile, giving the first shot to cover the target at a distance of 70 km.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: mark2

And despite all the newfangled things, even in the 21st century, the target is struck from the third shot: undershoot, flight, hit. Complete crap with all these GPS, satellites, corrected projectiles. Everything will be decided by the skill of the artillerymen, not the masters of mobile finger-abuse.

If the Russian gunsmiths continued to perfect the "laser" "Krasnopol", the Americans completely trusted satellite navigation. In 2006, the Pentagon adopted the GPS-guided M982 Excalibur projectile. , And if the GPS is turned off what will happen ..... pshik? Naive, in the first place both GPS and glonass will be wet.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Of particular concern in the United States is the ability of Russian electronic warfare systems to influence the global positioning system (GPS), on which the combat capability of the American army completely depends. Yes, weapons are being developed today that can destroy satellites in space, but so far it is much cheaper to interfere with software or jam signals. Without GPS work, the US military does not know where they are, precision weapons become useless. Communication devices without GPS do not even know what time it is, and this can disable them.

The most amazing thing is that it really is. We have really created a complex of electronic warfare "Rosehip-AERO". The new development is capable of suppressing the control signal of the drone, hacking its on-board systems, as well as determining the coordinates of the place from which control is being carried out with an accuracy of several centimeters. The Pentagon announces some progress on the previously frozen project for the development of ground stations for satellite navigation of a new generation, which is being developed by engineers by Raytheon. About this with reference to the words of the US Deputy Secretary of Defense for Procurement and Technology Frank Kendall writes the agency Reuters.

The estimated cost of the modernized GPS navigation project, commissioned by the Pentagon, has exceeded $ XNUMX billion. At the same time, the EU launched navigation satellites for an alternative to GPS and is investing billions of euros in a navigation system designed to both complement and compete with American GPS. I represent the wars of the future. It means that a company is running to attack in robotic hermetically sealed autonomous suits on a navigator to the Kremlin - and suddenly a figak - a quantum jammer sends the entire platoon to the Sahara on the run. The company gets bogged down in quicksand and signals for help.

[Jacket in stock]

But I wonder, next to the target they also had a suicide bomber, like we have for shooting Krasnopol?
Or do their "smart" shells do without them?

And yes, if this Excalibur is launched not from a huge cannon costing like 2 planes, but from a "water pipe" with a slightly larger weight of gunpowder, how many times will it be cheaper?

[MrFox]

And only from the third round ...

Pulled by a propaganda smell. Is it really impossible without this?
All three shells are different

[Charik]

Getting into a standing truck from 70 km on the third attempt, who else in the world can boast of such characteristics?

[Charik]

https://topwar.ru/6176-samohodnye-artilleriyskie-ustanovki.html

[ljoha_d]

I think we would not have hit at such distances at all, do not underestimate the enemy, the distance is mad 70 km, just think about it, here in the summer they fired from tanks with direct fire and did not hit, although they were chatting that there were hits, it's a shame !!

[Lena Petrova]

LEO satellites should be the primary target for destruction in the initial phase of a real conflict. Otherwise, you won't stick your head out soon.

[nobody75]

Dear Lena ... The problem is that the GPS satellite is a LEO satellite, unlike Starlink, which is not used for geolocation yet. Unfortunately, there are no low geostationary orbits ...
Sincerely

[Sergey79]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

The first shot was fired by the corrected (with inertial-satellite guidance) projectile XM1113 RAP with the new "supercharge" XM654. Deviation from the target was 200 meters. The second shot was fired by an upgraded 155 mm M982A1 Excalibur extended range guided active-reactive projectile. The target was also not hit, the cause was a hardware problem.

Moreover, it was the ZIL-131 that had problems with the equipment.
Standing, you know, a dog, in the wrong place. (srkm)

I disagree. Such a weapon is precisely what is needed for guided and corrected ammunition. So far, everything is "rotten" with this. The range is easy to increase, but VTB ....

[Freedim]

I saw this video .. but something tells me that it was something like this: