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In Baku, they spoke about the losses of manned aircraft during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh

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In Baku, they spoke about the losses of manned aircraft during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh

In Baku, they told about the losses of a manned aviation during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. According to local media reports, the Azerbaijani Air Force lost one combat aircraft.


According to the publication, from the very beginning of the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani Air Force used Su-25 attack aircraft, destroying not only armored vehicles, artillery and enemy personnel, but also modern air defense systems purchased by Armenia before the conflict.

During the conflict from September 27 to November 9, 2020, the Air Force lost only one Su-25, hit by the Armenian air defense on October 4, 2020 near Jabrayil. Colonel Zaur Nudiraliyev, piloted by attack aircraft, was killed.

On October 4, Zaur Nudiraliyev, in his SU-25, approached the target assigned to him in the direction of Jebrail. At this moment, the central command post received information about the actions of enemy air defense systems. (...) At this time, Zaur Nudiraliyev had already hit his target and was returning back. After that, he stopped communicating. His plane had already been shot down. Despite his injury, the colonel could still eject. But he did not do this in order not to be captured. Having sacrificed his life, he sent the plane to the area where enemy forces and equipment were concentrated and died heroically

- said Lieutenant Colonel Elchin Mammadov.

In total, during the conflict, Air Force pilots flew over 600 sorties, destroying a large number of enemy equipment and personnel.

It should be noted that the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan until mid-October denied the use of manned aircraft in Nagorno-Karabakh, and did not recognize the loss of an attack aircraft shot down by the Armenian air defense until the end of the military conflict, calling it a fake by the Armenian media.
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  1. awg75
    awg75 26 December 2020 18: 03
    +21
    "..... On October 4, Zaur Nudiraliyev, in his SU-25, was approaching the target assigned to him in the direction of Jebrail. At that moment, the central command post received information about the actions of enemy air defense systems. (...) At this time, Zaur Nudiraliyev was already hit his target and came back. After that he stopped communicating. His plane had already been shot down. Despite his injury, the colonel could still eject. But he did not do it so as not to be captured. Sacrificing his life, he sent the plane to the area where enemy forces and equipment were concentrated and died heroically ..... "
    I do not sympathize with either one or the other. but this is complete nonsense.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 26 December 2020 18: 37
      -27%
      - Have you ever heard of Gastello?
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 26 December 2020 18: 42
        +21
        The interlocutor rather not about the feat of Gastello means, but the fact that the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan lies, like they breathe. And this is pure fiction. Then they recognize something else ..... "Heroic"
        The Armenian Defense Ministry did not go far from them
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 26 December 2020 18: 53
          -25%
          Please give an example of Azerb's lies. MO. What you think is written a lie does not make it so.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 26 December 2020 19: 50
            +43
            Quote: Bakinec
            Please give an example of Azerb's lies. MO. What you think is written a lie does not make it so.

            If the pilot stopped communicating, then the plane received critical damage and it is no longer possible to control and direct it somewhere. If there is no connection with the plane from where infa about the pilot's injury, about how serious it is, or maybe he died immediately and therefore did not eject, and after the plane crashed, no pathologist in the world will determine whether he was alive at the time of defeat or not. The result - contradictions even in the article itself, terry propaganda. Here Filipov Roman really did not want to be taken prisoner and there is confirmation of this
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 26 December 2020 20: 00
              -31%
              What are the assertions based on that if the pilot stopped communicating, then this means that the plane can no longer be controlled?
              1. kit88
                kit88 26 December 2020 21: 08
                +14
                The link is ONE OF the components.
                Maybe the radio just refused.
                But if the mark disappeared from the radar screen and, in addition, the pilot does not get in touch, then things are bad.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 27 December 2020 02: 15
                  -4
                  Quote: Bakinec
                  Please give an example of Azerb's lies.

                  Let it be for you. Baku resident! You are like a little child!
                  Your Azerbaijani patriotism is quite understandable to us, however, there is no need to count the participants on the VO website!
                  Lies - it's a lie in Africa too! Everything that Azerbaijan was noticed in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict - absolutely everything was confirmed.

                  You have in Azerbaijan not only your Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan, but even Aliyev himself with his lies is worth something!
                  And you here are trying to shield the lies of some kind of Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense!
                  You can't hide the truth like an awl in a sack! She will come out anyway.

                  Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev is Fake News! LIES AND DOESN'T BLIND • Oct 14. 2020
                  1. Bakinec
                    Bakinec 27 December 2020 08: 15
                    -5
                    Oppanki Tatiana has appeared! Now he shoots me with his cheap Armenian videos (in which there is zero real evidence) while simultaneously mixing Erdogan, masons, sorcerers, world anti-Russian conspirators in one heap.
                    1. Pereira
                      Pereira 27 December 2020 11: 41
                      +3
                      If you want to get expensive Armenian videos, then this is for money.
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            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 26 December 2020 20: 08
              +12
              Quote: Vol4ara
              If with an airplane communication has disappeared from where infa about the pilot's injury, about how serious it is, or maybe he died immediately and therefore did not catapult,

              Yeah, this is also nonsense in the "message" caught my eye.
            3. AĞGURD
              AĞGURD 27 December 2020 01: 27
              0
              All this infa is a lie .. and about the downed plane and about the publication and comments about it in the media ... no one said this either about the plane or about the pilot and did not publish any information from the Air Force personally, I did not find it and no one knows except about the helicopter and there is an old one, either April or July provocations ... there was this topic but not in the second war ... Apparently the Azerbaijani Air Force published a special project for Armenians and one of the directors of Indian films posted such a story for them ....))
            4. Paul Siebert
              Paul Siebert 28 December 2020 10: 29
              -1
              Quote: Vol4ara
              The result - contradictions even in the article itself, terry propaganda.

              I remember on the Armenian Internet resources there was supposedly the post of the wife of the deceased Azerbaijani Su-25 pilot. There, she is indignant that attack pilots are being sent into battle with faulty ejection seats. They were allegedly put out of action on purpose so that the pilot would not be captured alive.
              He argues that half of these pilots are Turks and the Azeri command are afraid of an international scandal.
              An example of backward propaganda.
              Now it is impossible to figure out where the truth is.
              After all, truth is the first victim of the war ...
              But Azerbaijan won.
              And that means he is free to create his own pantheon of heroes.
              Heroes radiant, deadly and sacrificial - like Gastello ... wink
          2. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 26 December 2020 20: 59
            0
            will the destruction of the c300 go?
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 26 December 2020 21: 37
            0
            Quote: Bakinec
            Please give an example of Azerb's lies. MO. What you think is written a lie does not make it so.

            And that helicopters in the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense do not belong to manned aviation?
          4. Dreamboat
            Dreamboat 26 December 2020 22: 09
            -6
            Everything that was called a lie by the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan in the end turned out to be true and ended with the total defeat of the Armenian "volunteers" in Karabakh. And this is despite the "divan division" of pseudo patriots who suddenly fell in love with Armenia. wink
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 00: 57
              -5
              Quote: Dreamboat
              Everything that was called a lie by the Ministry of Azerbaijan in the end turned out to be true

              Yars?
          5. SSR
            SSR 26 December 2020 22: 23
            +7
            Quote: Bakinec
            Please give an example of Azerb's lies. MO. What you think is written a lie does not make it so.

            Comrade, as one wrote above, your showdown of two hags of vulture sisters is disgusting to me.
            From the article.
            Note that The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan until mid-October denied the use of manned aircraft in Nagorno-Karabakh, and did not recognize the loss of an attack aircraft shot down by the Armenian air defense until the end of the military conflict,

            Comrade, let's go without the bombastic tops of the Georgian spill. There are enough commentators from all sides, but I just want it without farting phrases from members of the forum. It is advisable to discuss and not slogans and "prove" to throw.
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 26 December 2020 22: 59
              -10%
              Naturally, it is not desirable to see different "fart" phrases and slogans like "Azerbaijan's Ministry of Defense always lies" or "Why Azerbaijan's Ministry of Defense does not give me (the sofa expert) a personal report about the downed helicopter."
          6. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 26 December 2020 22: 23
            +11
            Quote: Bakinec
            Please give an example of Azerb's lies. MO

            Quote: Anar
            Give at least 1 proven example of a lie from Azerbaijan


            They promised to find and punish the freaks who shot down the Russian helicopter in a short time.
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 26 December 2020 22: 53
              -14%
              I wrote about this below. If something was wrong, then the Russian Ministry of Defense would have announced it. The problem is being solved between the Defense Ministry of Russia and Azerbaijan. Do you really think that the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry will give a report to the VO commentators. Or do you not trust the Russian Defense Ministry?
          7. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 00: 55
            -1
            Quote: Bakinec
            Please give an example of a lie. Azerb. MO.

            Destroyed Yars.
            They reported, the press service wrote it down, Aliev thoughtlessly read another piece of paper.

            This example is instructive in its blatant stupidity and shamelessness.
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 27 December 2020 09: 32
              +2
              For especially smart ones: -YARS is in Azerbaijani. yilim ateshli missile systems - multiple launch rocket systems
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 10: 48
                -4
                Quote: Bakinec
                For especially smart ones: -YARS is in Azerbaijani. yilim ateshli missile systems - multiple launch rocket systems

                Several times this stupid lie was sorted out). You came up with this abbreviation to smear Aliyev. And this is easy to prove.

                Let's repeat (almost word for word from what I wrote earlier).

                Search for an indivisible phrase (we enter the phrase in quotes) Yaylım Ateşli Reaktiv Siztem (that is, YARS) - gives the following results: Yandex generally refuses to index the newly invented phrase (at the time of this writing of my post) 2, and Google and Bing provide links to our VO ( topwar) - on a specific topic where this lie was first written. And that's all. Throughout the vast Internet, only you and your colleagues on the VO website used this abbreviation - and that's it! ))))))))))

                Those. this phrase has not been used on the Internet until today.

                What do the Azerbaijanis call MLRS? Reaktiv Yaylım Atəşi Sistemi (RYAS). Enter this word in the search and make sure that there are a lot of search engine results. And your humble servant will finally bring you excerpts from the Azerbaijani "Wikipedia", where MLRS (Smerch and Hurricane) are called exactly as I wrote, and not by a phrase you invented:
                Links:
                https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-27_Uraqan
                https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smerç_(silah)
                1. Suleyman
                  Suleyman 28 December 2020 19: 03
                  -1
                  We open our eyes wider and read
                  https://sonxeber.az/194738/smerc-yaylim-atesli-reaktiv-sistemi-3-hektara-qeder-yeri-ve-orada-olan-canli-quvveni-mehv-ede-bilir-aciqlama
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 28 December 2020 21: 32
                    0
                    In my first post on this topic, I just advised, at least in some thread of Azerbaijani jaundice (or in Wikipedia), to use the newly invented phrase a couple of times before spreading this fake.
                    And instead of gratitude for the idea, are you rude to me? You are even more stupid than I thought. Bite the hand that feeds you.
            2. alone
              alone 27 December 2020 12: 03
              +1
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              Destroyed Yars.

              As for the Yars, a small reference to make it clear what's the matter.
              Aliyev made his statements in his native language .. YARS is yaylım atəşli reaktiv sistem ... Russian translation-multiple launch rocket system (MLRS). Well, the fact that various MLRSs were destroyed there is no secret ... this is such a little confusion. ...
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 14: 11
                -3
                Read the post right above yours.

                Quote: lonely
                YARS is yaylım atəşli reaktiv sistem

                Such a phrase is not used in Azeobaydzhan. Used by Reaktiv Yaylım Atəşi Sistemi (RYAS)

                Quote: lonely
                small reference

                Reference books are divorced, even though the stove is swamp. They don't want to think at all.
                1. alone
                  alone 27 December 2020 21: 49
                  -1
                  It's like if I taught you the intricacies of the Russian language .. Are you such an expert in the Azerbaijani language? You are fluent in it ..?
                  Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                  Reference books are divorced, even though the stove is swamp.

                  Don't teach others their native language, philologist you are our wisest..Google translation is not always perfect
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 22: 09
                    -1
                    Quote: lonely
                    You are such a connoisseur

                    You don't have to be an expert in the Azerbaijani language. It's enough to have a brain. Can you figure it out? After all, the use of phrases is fully verified by "exact" search in various search engines. You enter a common phrase in the search engine of the required language segment and see how many results were found. Everything is elementary. When there are no results at all (or the only result in the entire Internet is the comment on VO, in which this phrase was invented), then everything is more than clear. And Google translation has nothing to do with it at all - it's a stupid search for the real use of the phrase on the Internet. If it has just been invented by users and has not been used until now, it cannot be hidden.

                    Why are you all the time fighting for obvious fairy tales, insulting yourself and your interlocutors with this stupid deception, instead of finding the strength to tell the truth? I do not understand. I don't understand, that's all.
                    1. alone
                      alone 28 December 2020 00: 20
                      0
                      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                      I do not understand. I don't understand, that's all

                      For you, the truth is what Artsrun Hovhannisyan and Semen Pegov wrote .. the rest is considered not true
                      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 28 December 2020 07: 50
                        -1
                        Where do I refer to them? I have provided a rigorous justification for my conclusions. The fact that you do not have the spirit to recognize them does not affect the result.
                      2. alone
                        alone 28 December 2020 22: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                        gave a rigorous reasoning behind his findings

                        Correct Boris. Correct justification of their conclusions .. everyone has the right to their conclusions. Just like I also have the right to their conclusions .. But this does not mean that mine or yours are 100% correct.
                        As for the Yars, I completely admit an incorrect translation from Russian. Or a typo when compiling a list of losses. ... RYAS and YARS .. the same letters .. it was worth changing their place .. it was stupid .. It is clear that the Armenians did not have Yars and could not have it. This is not the weapon system that is transferred to someone ..
                        It's generally difficult with personnel now ... all have diplomas, but real literate people can be counted with fingers. soldier Good luck to you
                      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 28 December 2020 23: 17
                        0
                        Quote: lonely
                        everyone is entitled to their own conclusions

                        The hypothesis is yes, the conclusions are not. Different conclusions from the same initial data unambiguously indicate someone's mistake. I tell you this as a person "a little of science".
                        And good luck to you.
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 27 December 2020 08: 56
        -1
        Please give an example of Azerb's lies. he directed the plane to the area of ​​accumulation of enemy forces and equipment

        And what is the result of a strike on the accumulation of enemy forces and equipment? Where are the pictures?
      3. Ugochaves
        Ugochaves 27 December 2020 09: 02
        +1
        Isn't denying the use of aviation a lie? belay
      4. iouris
        iouris 27 December 2020 18: 17
        +1
        Anyone who understands anything in aviation knows that the plane becomes uncontrollable after being hit by a projectile, and therefore must inevitably fall to the surface of the earth (the pilot is an element of the aircraft control system). Therefore, the official version is unconvincing. As a rule, a pilot (especially a non-ordinary, commander) who died under such circumstances is declared a hero (in this case, a "martyr") based on the spirit of the circumstances: 1) political need, 2) so that the family receives moral and material compensation.
        And don't argue with me.
    2. Anar
      Anar 26 December 2020 19: 16
      -30%
      Give at least 1 proven example of a lie on the part of Azerbaijan, if you don't, why are you talking to others. If you understand the one who drives bullshit that bullshit ...
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 December 2020 19: 26
        +6
        Quote: Anar
        Give at least 1 proven example of a lie on the part of Azerbaijan, if you don't, why are you talking to others. If you understand the one who drives bullshit that bullshit ...

        for the "crocodile" keep the answer.
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 26 December 2020 19: 37
          -20%
          The crocodile recognized, apologized, promised compensation. What's next? Ask the Russian MO. If they don't say anything, then all the issues have been resolved. Why don't they tell you anything, ask the Russian Ministry of Defense again.
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 26 December 2020 19: 37
            +4
            Quote: Bakinec
            The crocodile recognized, apologized, promised compensation. What's next? Ask the Russian MO. If they don't say anything, then all the issues have been resolved. Why don't they tell you anything, ask the Russian Ministry of Defense again.

            that is, our MO is to blame?
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 26 December 2020 20: 01
              -10%
              So you pretend to be a hose?
              1. Aerodrome
                Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 32
                0
                Quote: Bakinec
                So you pretend to be a hose?

                did not expect from you ... I did not offend you.
              2. Bakinec
                Bakinec 27 December 2020 08: 00
                -3
                And what you play is dull.
  2. Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 26 December 2020 19: 01
    0
    We heard that in Belarus we have a national hero, they always talk about him at school. The feat is not unique, there were many others of this kind during the Great Patriotic War.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 26 December 2020 19: 02
    +7
    ... Sacrificing his life, he sent the plane to the area where enemy forces and equipment were concentrated and died heroically ..... "

    Is this from the video of his death?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 December 2020 19: 30
      +6
      Quote: Vadim_888
      ... Sacrificing his life, he sent the plane to the area where enemy forces and equipment were concentrated and died heroically ..... "

      Is this from the video of his death?

      how else? only record from "honor". the rest is fiction.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 December 2020 19: 09
    +18
    It is very reminiscent of the regiment's chronicle, which was composed by the scribe Vanek in the immortal work of Hasek "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik". There, I remember, at first someone's head was blown off, but even without a head, the hero of the Austro-Hungarian army shot down an enemy plane from a revolver.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 December 2020 19: 33
      +4
      Quote: Aviator_
      It is very reminiscent of the regiment's chronicle, which was composed by the scribe Vanek in the immortal work of Hasek "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik". There, I remember, at first someone's head was blown off, but even without a head, the hero of the Austro-Hungarian army shot down an enemy plane from a revolver.

      it's like a legend about how
      a striking incident occurred in 1528 in the town of Radstadt. The unjustly convicted monk said that after the execution he would be able to justify his innocence, and asked for a couple of minutes not to touch his body. The executioner's ax blew off the convict's head, and three minutes later the decapitated body turned over, lay on its back, neatly crossing its arms over its chest. After which the monk was already posthumously declared innocent ...
      https://v-n-zb.livejournal.com/6059217.html
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 27 December 2020 08: 10
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      Very similar to the chronicle of the regiment, which was composed by the scribe Vanek

      On the outskirts of such Vaneks there was a whole herd with their tales about Deed Taras, Green and other heroes! repeat
  • Anar
    Anar 26 December 2020 19: 58
    -7
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqluCrfZP_U
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 26 December 2020 20: 34
    -4
    And on what grounds do you deny heroism to the deceased Azerbaijani pilot?
    What evidence do you have for this, besides the word "delirium"?
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 01: 05
      -1
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      on what basis do you deny heroism

      Let's call all the dead heroes? And on what grounds should you refuse?

      Proving heroism, not lack of it. For purely statistically - the first, much rarer phenomenon than the second. Thus, in the absence of evidence, it is logical to assume the second, but by no means the first.

      Your local bots with their intelligence already resemble zombies.
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      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 01: 39
        +6
        The Azerbaijanis did not explain how they found out all these details, if, according to their own words, the plane stopped communicating.
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          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 01: 56
            +2
            Quote: VasilievS
            Did the plane hit the congestion of Armenians?

            No idea where he got to.
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 02: 12
        +4
        Quote: VasilievS
        Of course there are none

        Everyone understood perfectly well that you did not have any evidence that the pilot did at least something of the attributed to him. And everyone understood perfectly well that you and your MO just

        Quote: VasilievS
        gotta shit

        Someone's head.
        The only advice is if you feel like it, then do it at home. Don't come here for this. You and so obfarshmachi his country with your stupidity to the ears in a short time of that conflict.
    3. Grits
      Grits 27 December 2020 02: 50
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Makarov
      And on what grounds do you deny heroism to the deceased Azerbaijani pilot?

      And where is the heroism? The pilot just did his job. But at the same time he did not return from work. He knew that this could be.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 26 December 2020 20: 55
    +5
    Quote: awg75
    but this is complete nonsense.

    This is propaganda, new Azerbaijan needs new heroes.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 December 2020 22: 02
    +17
    Quote: awg75
    this is complete nonsense.

    Quite like that! "I stopped communicating ...." and "suddenly" the Azeri learned: 1. that he was wounded; 2. could eject; 3. did not want to be taken prisoner and decided to sacrifice his life? And taking into account that they lied, not recognizing the loss of the aircraft in combat, then all these "details" could have come up with "patriotic motives"!
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 26 December 2020 22: 55
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Quote: awg75
      this is complete nonsense.

      Quite like that! "I stopped communicating ...." and "suddenly" the Azeri learned: 1. that he was wounded; 2. could eject; 3. did not want to be taken prisoner and decided to sacrifice his life? And taking into account that they lied, not recognizing the loss of the aircraft in combat, then all these "details" could have come up with "patriotic motives"!

      Now, if the connection was lost after heroic words, then nothing had to be proved. It's so hard to believe. Someone either made the wrong test in the meaning or was different, just embellished.
    2. onstar9
      onstar9 27 December 2020 02: 09
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Quite like that! "I stopped communicating ...." and "suddenly" the Azeri learned: 1. that he was wounded; 2. could eject; 3. did not want to be taken prisoner and decided to sacrifice his life? And taking into account that they lied, not recognizing the loss of the aircraft in combat, then all these "details" could have come up with "patriotic motives"!

      Well, during this war, both sides "lied" ... This is understandable, otherwise it was impossible. This is called "patriotic propaganda." And this is done always and everywhere, not only in Armenia or Azerbaijan. In Russia, too, everything is "embellished" when some emergency happens. It is supposed to be like this ... Nobody wants to "pour mud on themselves" ...
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 27 December 2020 09: 14
        +2
        Quote: onstar9
        during this war "lied" from both sides ... This is understandable, otherwise it was impossible. This is called "patriotic propaganda". And this is done always and everywhere, not only in Armenia or Azerbaijan. In Russia, they also "embellish" when an emergency occurs. It is supposed to be like this ... Nobody wants to "pour mud on themselves" ...

        I have to admit that you are right in many ways ... which is what it is!
    3. alone
      alone 27 December 2020 12: 14
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And taking into account that they lied, not recognizing the loss of the aircraft in combat, then all these "details" could have come up with "patriotic motives"!

      Well, in principle, this loss could have continued not to be recognized ... The area of ​​the fall is now under the full control of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. Apparently, where the plane fell, they found some other wreckage of Armenian equipment ... and decided that the pilot aimed the device at the cluster ... a little imagination, a little truth-and here's a legend ... well, my friend, the other side fantasized even worse..6 conscripts killed 100 special forces, destroyed several tanks, the battle was fought for several hours..1 died, one was wounded, easily, a scratch. ... For some reason they believe in this ..
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 26 December 2020 23: 21
    -2
    The colonel should command a regiment, not fly an attack. Or already there is no one to fly, all the UAVs "moved"?))))
    1. onstar9
      onstar9 27 December 2020 02: 11
      +2
      I think that the beginning of the war is a crucial moment. More experienced pilots were sent. It's natural. In Syria, I also think not "sergeants" fly in the VKS ...
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 27 December 2020 10: 39
        -2
        But not colonels either. Those who are supposed to fly - captains, majors.
        1. alone
          alone 27 December 2020 12: 16
          +2
          Remind you who ruled su 25 and su 24 during the Georgian conflict in 2008?
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 27 December 2020 22: 56
            0
            Can you remember who flew in 41st?
            1. alone
              alone 28 December 2020 00: 16
              0
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Can you remember who flew in 41st?

              Only my grandfather could tell and remember about 41, but in 2008, su 25 and su 24 of the Russian Aerospace Forces were ruled by senior officers from major and above (at least the average of the dead glaciers, senior officers made up the absolute majority). says that there was no one to fly
  • nnm
    nnm 26 December 2020 18: 05
    +14
    But some 30 years ago, we could not even imagine that we would read the news about how a neighbor killed a neighbor.
    And the end and edge of this is not visible.
    Probably, the consequences of what we have done to the USSR, we will not soon understand and fully realize. And they won't let us either remember or understand this ...
    And not a single person answered for this, although many are still alive. And they won't answer already, apparently. At least in this world.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 26 December 2020 18: 13
      +16
      Quote: nnm
      But some 30 years ago, we could not even imagine that we would read the news about how a neighbor killed a neighbor.

      Yes, just like 30 years ago, we watched in the news how these neighbors cut each other for nothing.
      I remember the first time I saw a rubber truncheon near the police in the late 80s in Baku. We had never seen anything like this then.
      Sobs-but the massacre in the former socialist camp just started with them, this is then Tajikistan, Georgia, Yugoslavia ...
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 26 December 2020 18: 56
        +11
        Sumgait, Baku, Karabakh, they did not openly talk about the massacre in Sumgait, so they passed from hand to hand on self-published sheets
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 26 December 2020 19: 09
          -1
          you can find articles on the so-called massacre in Sumgait on the Internet. Write Edward Grigoryan and Gen. the USSR prosecutor's office
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 26 December 2020 20: 11
            +1
            ... you can find articles on the so-called massacre in Sumgait on the Internet. Write Edward Grigoryan and Gen. the USSR prosecutor's office

            What for? I personally know two eyewitnesses to these events.
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 26 December 2020 20: 18
              -8
              I hope that these eyewitnesses are not among those eyewitnesses who, in order to obtain refugee status in Russia, invented fairy tales about how Azerbaijanis fried and ate Armenian babies (or Russians - in this case, count refugee status in your pocket).
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 26 December 2020 19: 00
        +3
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Yes, just like 30 years ago, we watched in the news how these neighbors cut each other for nothing.

        Or maybe 30 years ago you watched how NATO fighters flew along the administrative border of the Leningrad region and the Estonian SSR ?! Nothing happened 31 years ago? - I will answer, there was a terrible tragedy for our country. Stalin is turning over in his grave!
    2. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 18: 19
      +13
      Not a single person will answer, for these are the leaders of the republics. For the sake of the desire to become kings, they destroyed the state, although they could, if desired, keep it.
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 26 December 2020 18: 40
        -8
        There is no need to blame regional leaders for Gobachev's moronic actions. And until Yeltsin expressed a desire to withdraw Russia from the USSR, none of them twitched - except for the Balts, which actually left earlier and the Georgians.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 18: 49
          +9
          It is not necessary to justify the separatism of the Shushkevichs by Gorbachev's weakness. Both the Baltic states and the Caucasus could well have been kept in the USSR. There are a lot of such examples in history, there would be a desire.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 26 December 2020 22: 25
            +1
            Quote: Sergey Valov
            Both the Baltic states and the Caucasus could well have been kept in the USSR.

            I doubt very much about the Baltics! But the USSR could have survived, albeit in a "truncated" form! Nazarbayev did not want to leave the Union ... some other republics announced their "independence" only after the EBN, Shushkevich, Kravchuk announced the liquidation of the USSR!
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 23: 03
              +6
              If it were not for the idiocy of the type of economic blockade and the storming of the television center, then it would be quite possible to agree. Not a single Western country would have dared to recognize the independence of the Baltic republics until this independence was recognized by the USSR / RF. Leave the army, the ruble, the prosecutor's office, etc. in the Baltic States, transfer them to self-sufficiency and let them spin as they can. At the same time, think over and implement preferences for the Russian-speaking and high-status population that does not support separatism. I wonder if they would last long?
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 26 December 2020 23: 41
                +3
                Quote: Sergey Valov
                Not a single Western country would have dared to recognize the independence of the Baltic republics until this independence was recognized by the USSR / RF

                Gutare the truth, Sergei!
                Quote: Sergey Valov
                Leave the army, the ruble, the prosecutor's office, etc. in the Baltic States, transfer them to self-sufficiency and let them spin as they can.

                And this is not new! After all, it was on such principles that the finding of the Baltic States, Poland, the Finnish principality within the Russian Empire was based!
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 December 2020 19: 02
          +1
          Quote: Outsider
          for the moronic actions of Gobachev

          Since when did the traitors become d. Morons?
          He did everything to make the conflict flare up
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 02: 03
          0
          Quote: Outsider
          There is no need to blame regional leaders for Gobachev's moronic actions.

          From a letter from Chardakhla residents to the USSR Prosecutor General: “Every visit of Asadov to the village is accompanied by a detachment of police and a fire engine. There was no exception on December 15st. Arriving with a police detachment late in the evening, he forcibly gathered communists to hold the party meeting he needed. When he failed, they began to beat the people, arrested and took XNUMX people on a pre-driven bus. Among those who were beaten and arrested were participants and invalids of the Great Patriotic War (Vartanyan V., Martirosyan X., Gabrielyan A. and others), milkmaids, frontline leaders (Minasyan G.) and even a former deputy of the Supreme Soviet Az. SSR of many convocations Movsesyan M.

          1987 year.
          https://aif.ru/society/history/istoriya_katastrofy_kak_nachinalsya_konflikt_v_nagornom_karabahe
      2. Bakinec
        Bakinec 26 December 2020 19: 00
        +3
        Gorbachev destroyed the union. If he had pacified the Armenians in time, who, with shouts of "miatsum" (reunification) in 1987, began to drive out and kill Azerbaijanis in Armenia and Karabakh, other problems would not have started in the republics. But unfortunately, Gorbachev only flowed to the Armenian nationalists.
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 December 2020 19: 34
      -1
      Quote: nnm
      But some 30 years ago, we could not even imagine that we would read the news about how a neighbor killed a neighbor.

      our "neighbor" killed our people.
    4. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 26 December 2020 21: 01
      -2
      and now the same current media are already dominating and rubbing in ... Zen channel Kiril (censorship) .... dozens of topics in a row about bast manure bastards and failures with problems and crises .. we have no other topics for us. On LJ the Belarusian started up a current and posts and so stupidly everywhere.
    5. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 27 December 2020 09: 07
      0
      Lenin also thought that the dictatorship was forever and cut the empire to pieces by planting bombs along the borders of Russia.
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 26 December 2020 18: 07
    -5
    Azerbaijan published a video of the use of bombs from the Su-25 (according to their words).

    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 26 December 2020 22: 56
      0
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Azerbaijan published a video of the use of bombs from the Su-25 (according to their words).

      YouTube did not admit the evidence.))
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 26 December 2020 22: 58
        -1
        Didn't you guess to click on the link?
  • Cron
    Cron 26 December 2020 18: 07
    +5
    Please excuse me if you were disturbed, but could you tell us something about the case of our downed helicopter? We in no way rush you, investigate as much as you want, and if it is not difficult for you to report the results later. We just need to close the case and write a reply stating that the incident is over. Once again, I’m sorry for taking your precious time away from you. Happy New Year!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 18: 17
      -1
      Quote: Cron
      Please excuse me if you were disturbed, but could you tell us something about the case of our downed helicopter?

      Most likely they will say that the perpetrators died
      1. Cron
        Cron 26 December 2020 18: 22
        -1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Most likely they will say that the perpetrators died

        When our helicopter crashed?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 December 2020 18: 29
          -4
          Quote: Cron
          In a helicopter crash?

          In the war with Armenia.
          And bribes are smooth. Go prove the opposite
        2. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 22: 05
          +1
          It was not a crash, but destruction. The difference is significant.
    2. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 26 December 2020 18: 43
      +1
      quote] We just need to close the case and write a reply stating that the incident is over. [/ quote]
      From the side of Baku, everything is clear: - the fact of the shoot-down was recognized, an apology was brought, and so on ... But, before the announcement of the results of the investigation (Russian, and most likely joint)
      commission, "you are unlikely to be able to close the case and unsubscribe."
      So don't drive horses - everything has its time.
    3. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 26 December 2020 18: 59
      +1
      ... Please excuse me if you were disturbed, but could you tell us something about the case of our downed helicopter? We in no way rush you, investigate as much as you want, and if it is not difficult for you to report the results later. We just need to close the case and write a reply stating that the incident is over.

      And they also forgot to ask about life compensation for the families of the deceased pilots.
    4. Anar
      Anar 26 December 2020 19: 26
      -9
      Most likely, he was shot down by the Armenians by mistake, immediately Mr. Putin called Aliyev to take this issue upon himself. The reason is simple, not to give a reason for foreign forces to cause discord in the already difficult situation in Armenia.
      Pay attention on the same evening, literally a couple of hours later, Armenia signed a surrender. They did not use this opportunity to embroil Russia and Azerbaijan.
      Watch the speech of Putin and Aliyev literally 2 hours after the incident. Aliyev ruled the negotiations, Putin supported him in every possible way.
      If Azerbaijan would have shot down, then Putin would not have been so polite with Aliyev.
      That evening, mail ru wrote that a high-ranking General of the Russian Air Force said - We still need to investigate what this helicopter was doing there, according to plans it should not have been there. Also in the news there was an opinion that the Armenians themselves hijacked this helicopter in order to embroil Azerbaijan and Russia.
      And most importantly, the official Russian side has not yet demanded an explanation from Azerbaijan.
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 26 December 2020 18: 18
    -10%
    Hero, however!
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 18: 21
      +10
      The deceased colonel was doing his duty, in contrast to the sofa.
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 26 December 2020 19: 50
        -3
        [B] [/ b]
        Quote: Sergey Valov
        The deceased colonel was doing his duty, in contrast to the sofa.

        Don't they have enough lieutenants?
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 22: 06
          +1
          "They don't have enough lieutenants?" - Is there even a hint in the article that the lieutenants did not fly?
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 27 December 2020 17: 20
            0
            So that's the question, not a new gate.
        2. XXXIII
          XXXIII 26 December 2020 22: 57
          0
          Quote: IL-18
          [B] [/ b]
          Quote: Sergey Valov
          The deceased colonel was doing his duty, in contrast to the sofa.

          Don't they have enough lieutenants?

          The elder goes into battle first.))
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 27 December 2020 17: 23
            0
            Yeah, Suvorov personally was the first to climb the Izmail wall.
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 26 December 2020 18: 21
    -1
    How did we (the Russian Armed Forces) avenge the death and injury of Russian pilots in Azerbaijan? What is the cost of our pilots' lives? I'm waiting for Aliyev's statement. I'm waiting for Putin's statement!
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 18: 26
      0
      Big politics, however, and we are all cogs and nuts in it. Most likely, there will be applications, but you cannot return them to the families of the men.
      1. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 26 December 2020 18: 29
        +2
        You will not return! But the sense of justice can be returned!
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 26 December 2020 18: 36
      +10
      First, if you deem it necessary to take revenge, do it yourself. Secondly, the war was stopped not without this incident, so the pilots did not die in vain. Our base is there to prevent or stop the war. Thirdly, what was agreed at the top can be classified information. In your opinion, it is always necessary and everyone is behind such a nuclear club? We also have people dying in the DPR and LPR armies, but I don't screech like a pig - save, help, punish!
      And Aliyev's statement was, read more and do not chat.
      1. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 26 December 2020 18: 39
        -5
        So punish! Can you yourself? Or how do the Armenians expect?
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 26 December 2020 18: 42
          +11
          I have my own tasks, I defend the interests of Russia in the trenches of Donbass. I keep ukroreykh by the scrotum so as not to break out into the EU and NATO.
          1. seregin-s1
            seregin-s1 26 December 2020 18: 46
            -6
            Hold on tight! Chat less colonel!)
    3. SSR
      SSR 26 December 2020 22: 32
      +1
      Quote: seregin-s1
      How did we (the Russian Armed Forces) avenge the death and injury of Russian pilots in Azerbaijan?

      Such comments are always "touching".
      When dill or logs write about the President's Tu or Boeing of Malaysia, are you just as categorical?
      Well, or are you an expert of the Supreme Court who has condemned and appointed a "wine" ?!
      Bam! And I know everything and appointed!
      1. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 26 December 2020 23: 10
        0
        That is, do you really think that it is still unknown who shot down our helicopter? There are three options. Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Turks. The nature of the defeat and the number of the rocket will quickly lead to the culprit. Just a lot of panties!
    4. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 27 December 2020 01: 57
      0
      wait ...! leave the WhatsApp number or mail Aliev and Putin will report to you in a personal message ....))
  • Avrora17
    Avrora17 26 December 2020 18: 33
    0
    I must admit Aliyev was well prepared for the return of territories and the support in the info war was ideal.! He cooled Armenia specifically .. But here everything is twofold, this is the Turkish presence and help .... Pashinyan gets used to, hoping to stay in power, he did not fulfill his function to the end (involving Russia in a full-scale conflict) .. These are the Armenians hi
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 26 December 2020 19: 04
      +4
      - And how could Pashinyan involve Russia in a full-scale conflict if Putin did not want it ?! laughing lol
      1. Avrora17
        Avrora17 26 December 2020 19: 20
        -9
        Quote: Outsider
        - And how could Pashinyan involve Russia in a full-scale conflict if Putin did not want it ?! laughing lol

        Israel would help with its UAVs .. wink But we had to manually wet our helicopter .. But in general there is Iran nearby, so think who benefits from it!
        And Pashinyan is a pawn. He's there like (well, there are no such words here))))
        1. Outsider
          Outsider 26 December 2020 19: 51
          +1
          - I do not understand ... belay Some garbage ... repeat
          1. Avrora17
            Avrora17 26 December 2020 19: 56
            -6
            Quote: Outsider
            - I do not understand ... belay Some garbage ... repeat

            It happens .. Here you need to feel and be in the themes! But just asking questions and playing fool is not worth it .. wink hi
        2. Ugochaves
          Ugochaves 27 December 2020 09: 27
          -2
          Well, Iran has already been dragged in, and what is not the Martians? laughing
          1. Avrora17
            Avrora17 27 December 2020 09: 32
            -3
            Quote: UgoChaves
            Well, Iran has already been dragged in, and what is not the Martians? laughing

            This conflict was unleashed with long-range plans, it was not in vain that Israel huddled Azerbaijan so hard by supplying it with modern UAVs .. Everything is still ahead
      2. Grits
        Grits 27 December 2020 03: 11
        0
        Quote: Outsider
        - And how could Pashinyan involve Russia in a full-scale conflict if Putin did not want it ?!

        Putin is several orders of magnitude smarter and more informed than Pashinyan. Therefore, it would be foolish to hope that Pashinyan will breed him like a sucker.
        1. Avrora17
          Avrora17 27 December 2020 09: 35
          -3
          Quote: Gritsa
          Putin is several orders of magnitude smarter and more informed than Pashinyan. Therefore, it would be foolish to hope that Pashinyan will breed him like a sucker.

          Pashinyan is a pawn in a big geopolitical game, he did not complete his mission to the end and did not receive an order to leave his post .. He still needs to see, despite the large-scale protests in Armenia ..
  • rusich
    rusich 26 December 2020 18: 51
    -1
    Gastello was found. laughing Bullshit
  • d1975
    d1975 26 December 2020 19: 08
    -1
    Which of the greats said that during the war they lie more than never, or correct as precisely as possible.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 December 2020 19: 16
    -2
    Having sacrificed his life, he sent the plane to the area of ​​accumulation of enemy forces and equipment and died heroically
    N. Gastello? I doubt it .... repeat Most likely the wound was serious or a contusion ...
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 26 December 2020 19: 27
    +1
    A purely technical question - what air defense system was used to shoot down the Su25?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 26 December 2020 19: 32
      +1
      They write that the Wasp.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 26 December 2020 19: 33
        0
        Thank you. At least something in fact ...
        1. Avrora17
          Avrora17 26 December 2020 19: 36
          -6
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Thank you. At least something in fact ...

          I agree ..! This is Armenia squealing now ..)))
  • Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 26 December 2020 19: 27
    0
    On October 4, Zaur Nudiraliyev, in his SU-25, approached the target assigned to him in the direction of Jebrail. At this moment, the central command post received information about the actions of enemy air defense systems. (...) At this time, Zaur Nudiraliyev had already hit his target and was returning back. After that, he stopped communicating. His plane had already been shot down. Despite his injury, the colonel could still eject. But he did not do this in order not to be captured. Having sacrificed his life, he sent the plane to the area where enemy forces and equipment were concentrated and died heroically

    This is undoubtedly a feat and worthy of respect. Discarding all other points.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 26 December 2020 19: 55
    -1
    Quote: Sergey Valov
    It is not necessary to justify the separatism of the Shushkevichs by Gorbachev's weakness.

    - If not for Gorbachev, no Shushkevichs would have twitched anywhere. It was Gorbachev who brought the whole country to the point that everyone was ready to flee from the bad center wherever they looked ...
    Both the Baltic states and the Caucasus could well have been kept in the USSR.

    - How was Chechnya held then - by shooting 20% ​​of the population there? ..
    There are a lot of similar examples in history, there would be a desire.

    - In addition to desire, there is also such a thing as objective reasons, haven't you heard of such ?!
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 21: 56
      +2
      "If not for Gorbachev" - Gorbachev alone was not able to destroy the country. But if he could do it alone or with a narrow circle of “colleagues”, then what was this country like?
      "How Chechnya was then held back" - Chechnya is an indicative flogging for other separatists in the Russian Federation. I do not argue, they broke a lot of firewood, but they achieved the set result.
      "Objective reasons" - objective reasons were laid down during the very formation of the USSR, but instead of eliminating them, or at least freezing them, the authorities only aggravated them.
  • Outsider
    Outsider 26 December 2020 20: 02
    +3
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Outsider
    for the moronic actions of Gobachev

    Since when did the traitors become d. Morons?
    He did everything to make the conflict flare up

    - And what joy and sense was it to Gorbachev to become a "traitor" ?? He was almost bogdyhan - in the post of General Secretary of the CPSU! And who did he become after the collapse of the USSR ?? Nobody wants a piece of shit.
    Your hypothesis of "betrayal" is absolutely inconsistent, no motives can be adjusted to it. Gorbachev was undoubtedly - and that was enough when there were traditional compromisers around him for any of his stupidity - don't you know that then there was such a thing as the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU ?! Collegiate body ?!
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 02: 27
      0
      Quote: Outsider
      He was almost bogdikhan - in the post of General Secretary of the CPSU!

      And he wanted to become president. And he did. The first and the last, since Yeltsin also wanted to be president.
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 26 December 2020 21: 04
    -1
    Total air defense of armenia has completely recently worked with the air force of azerbadzhan straight break of the template. and the drones operated under the conditions of the absence of the Russian artillery except for the range of the OCA on orders from the ground, etc., etc. for a minute there is air defense in the technique and there is, for example, a shellSM with an arquet of 40 km .. what kind of air will need to go there? an arrow or a pine tree there at 10 km range. passive them neochen that drown out. I read 1 list of the peacetime state there are hundreds of target channels on such a site ..
  • Airdefense
    Airdefense 26 December 2020 21: 15
    -1
    In total, during the conflict, Air Force pilots flew over 600 sorties, destroying a large number of enemy equipment and personnel.

    If this is true, then the Armenians are simply doubly steep wars, they held out so much and still stuffed about the same number of personnel, not counting the Syrian barmaley that Erdogan brought.
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 26 December 2020 23: 43
      -1
      Yes, of course Armenians are tough wars. They have a great and ancient Armenian spirit. They lost because apart from Azerbaijanis, Turks, Syrians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Indians, Iroquois, Boers, Martians and others fought against them. As the President of the Partzakh Arayik Harutunyan said, 8 states fought against us.
      P.S. Do you happen to work in the Ministry of Defense of Armenia?
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 26 December 2020 23: 58
        -2
        No, I’m an outside observer, but the number of losses shows that, while losing technically, the Armenians knocked on the Azerbaijanis well, and most likely they were stronger in spirit, especially taking into account the videos that are on the Internet how Azerbaijanis slaughter old women, which indicates a weak spirit.
        One thing is a pity that Russia showed weakness and did not punish the Azerbaijanis for the downed helicopter, they are good with a strike on any military base, this audience only understands the language of force, because now Aliyev is pulling the cat for one place with the investigation and punishment of the guilty.
        But I think this is not the last unfortunately conflict, Erdogan not without reason took Aliyev into circulation and will drive Azerbaijan into a clash with Armenia and possibly Russia.
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 27 December 2020 00: 14
          0
          yes, they "snitched well" to the Azerbaijanis. Having handed them over 70 tanks. Where did Azerbaijanis slaughter women?
          You write that an outside observer, but from your phrases, it is as if "Russia showed weakness and did not punish Azerbaijan" stinks of Armenian media. Armenians sleep and see that Russia is fighting for them.
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 27 December 2020 00: 19
            -2
            Russia showed weakness and did not punish Azerbaijan

            I am writing this as a citizen of Russia and I see Aliyev's attempts to smooth over the incident quietly, I hope that it does not work out.

            Armenians sleep and see that Russia is fighting for them.
            It may well be that they are also allies, but they shot comparable numbers in the soldiers.
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 27 December 2020 01: 01
              -1
              I wrote about the helicopter below. you can read. You are not the type to care about helicopter or pilot family. You (the bish Armenians) just need a conflict between Russia and Azerbaijan.
              1. Airdefense
                Airdefense 27 December 2020 01: 06
                -1
                No, I need to punish all the guilty, but Aliyev clearly wants to punish only the switchmen. And I am not sick for Armenia at all, they wanted friendship with the US / NATO, they arranged their own Maidan with Soros and paid for it.
              2. Airdefense
                Airdefense 27 December 2020 01: 10
                0
                Moreover, frankly speaking, it was generally an attack on a member of the CSTO, the helicopter was shot down over the territory of Armenia and I repeat this is the weakness of Russia, which can lead to casualties, now yours are already dizzy with success

                Vice-Speaker of the Milli Mejlis Adil Aliyev on his Facebook page spoke with a tough position regarding the manipulations with maps of areas of responsibility, which Russian peacekeepers have been making in recent days.

                As reported by 1news.az, Adil Aliyev noted that peacekeepers should not go beyond the obligations imposed on them by international law.

                “After Armenia, being the losing side, was forced to sign a capitulation, on the basis of an agreement between both sides, Russia began to carry out peacekeeping activities in Nagorno-Karabakh. Moreover, they provided guarantees that Armenia will fulfill the terms of the agreement.
                However, it is not at all clear that the Russian peacekeepers present a new map that goes beyond the framework of the signed agreement, as well as the presentation of our ancient lands under different names and manipulations with maps. The activity of a peacekeeper is clearly spelled out in international law, and in no case can a peacekeeper act outside the duties and responsibilities assigned to him. The map prepared by the Russian peacekeepers has no legal or political basis, and they do not have the authority to draw up such a map.

                This is, first of all, a violation of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, recognized by international law, as well as a contradiction to the terms of the agreement of November 10, 2020. In this regard, all inaccuracies must be immediately eliminated. And so the deployment of Russia in Nagorno-Karabakh as peacekeepers was ambiguously perceived by our society.

                It seems that some forces in Russia are seriously concerned about the demonstration to the whole world of the destroyed equipment provided by Russia to Armenia at the Victory Parade, as well as the further strengthening of Azerbaijani-Turkish relations. Let it not be forgotten that our glorious army, under the leadership of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, carried out the resolutions that remained on paper for almost 30 years, in just 44 days. Today our country is one of the strongest countries not only in the region, but also in the world.

                Let them be sure that in the event of another such mistake, as well as any provocation committed by Armenia and its patrons, Armenia, having assumed its vassal position, will suffer even greater losses, ”he wrote.
                1. Bakinec
                  Bakinec 27 December 2020 01: 21
                  0
                  That is, you are an Armenian who care about Russia more than the Russian Defense Ministry? I wrote about the helicopter below, read. If you want to.
                  1. Airdefense
                    Airdefense 27 December 2020 01: 24
                    0
                    No, I am a citizen of Russia already wrote, and I read about the helicopter and it is quite clear that you are being dragged with the investigation.
                    For me, that you are Armenians is not the necessary ballast for Russia, but unfortunately there is a Turkish factor and a possible radicalization of Azerbaijan near the Russian border
    2. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 27 December 2020 01: 08
      +1
      If this is true, then the Armenians are just doubly cool wars,

      ... "The game I lost was recognized as the best in the tournament!"
      Are you seriously ?
  • Tests
    Tests 26 December 2020 21: 38
    +3
    nnm, dear, in 1988, in February, the first clash of Armenians and Azerbaijanis near Askeran started ... And Sumgait, which did not exist, was also in February ... Zvartnots airport in Yerevan was blocked in July by the Armenians themselves, and it was unblocked by fighters Alpha and Vityaz ... September-Stepanakert and Aghdam region - war, December 5 - Baku ...
    1989 April 09 Tbilisi liberation of the square from the protesters in front of the Government House, do you remember the sapper shovels? ... Mass fights in the Fergana region in the city of Kuvasay in May 1989, the deceased is a Tajik. In June 1989, all over the Fergana region flared up. Meskhetian Turks were beaten with stones, fittings, pipes, and strangled with chains. 04.06.1989/35/1 in the city of Tashlak, Uzbeks, "clearing Fergana from the Turks," sharpened from top to bottom under a bulletproof vest, and killed an Uzbek policeman, Suvankulov, sent from Tashkent, 2 years old, I don’t remember years ago, he left 7 or 8 children orphans ... seizure of Kokand by Uzbeks from the Fergana and Namangan regions on June 110-16 .... In the Fergana region, 22 killed only .... June 10-15, riots in the city of New Uzen, Kazakh SSR 17 corpses ... 14-7 Abkhazia burst into flames - Only 23 killed ... On November 6, in Chisinau, the parade was disrupted and riots began ... On November 9, South Ossetia flared up 31-30 corpses (statistics, oh sly thing!) ... Well, and under the Christmas tree, on December XNUMX, the border in Nakhchivan The ASSR between the USSR and Iran has been broken, the KSP and the technical means of protecting the border have been destroyed, very soon the USSR Airborne Forces will close this border ... So the fraternal peoples of the USSR began to bleed each other a lot more than XNUMX years ago and with pleasure ...
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 26 December 2020 22: 00
      +1
      My father served as an officer in Georgia in the mid-50s, he very vaguely (in Soviet times, a very painful topic) talked about the riots there, which were suppressed, including by shooting.
    2. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 26 December 2020 23: 14
      +1
      There was also the Khojaly massacre.
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 27 December 2020 00: 00
        -2
        The Azerbaijanis were warned about the assault for a month, they were asked to withdraw the civilians, but the Azerbaijanis thought to hide behind a live account.
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 27 December 2020 00: 07
          +2
          Purely Armenian version for justification. But it won't. Because your President Sargsyan admitted in an interview to Thomas de Waal that it was the Armenians who staged this massacre. You can find it on the Internet. And this corridor was an ambush where the inhabitants were killed.
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 27 December 2020 00: 23
            0
            I see no reason to justify the Armenians, they are no less "thugs" and your enmity from the "three empty" mountains is age old, but it is also pointless to deny that there was a chance to lead civilians away preparations for the assault month
        2. VyacheSeymour
          VyacheSeymour 27 December 2020 02: 10
          +1
          The Azerbaijanis were warned about the assault for a month, they were asked to withdraw the civilians, but the Azerbaijanis thought to hide behind a live account.

          Here on VO there was an article in which it was written that Pashinyan announced the upcoming decisive cotrudar in the southern section ... Oooh ... what was happening in the comments! ... And here you declare that the Armenians WHOLE MONTH warned of the impending assault ???
          Have fun ...
          ... but it is also pointless to deny that there was a chance to take civilians away preparations for the assault took a month

          There was a chance, it was not, it was taken away, it was not taken away ... is this a good justification for the total beating of civilians ????
          1. Airdefense
            Airdefense 27 December 2020 20: 00
            -1
            In general, it does not justify in any way, but the Azerbaijanis had a chance to save their civilian population, unlike the pogroms in Baku, where Armenians were slaughtered in “peacetime”.
            And in order to understand the degree of frostbitten opponents, Russian boxer Misha Aloyan came to competitions in Baku, they threw his passport in his face at the airport, or Azerbaijani officer Safarov, who hacked a sleeping Armenian with an ax in Budapest and received a life sentence in Hungary, became a national hero after deportation to Azerbaijan ... And the current conflict has shown both sides in all their glory, it is easy to find a video of how Azerbaijani soldiers cut off the head of an old man and vice versa Armenian soldiers kill captured Azerbaijanis.
            It would be good for both sides to be prosecuted for war crimes.
  • Bakinec
    Bakinec 26 December 2020 23: 34
    +1
    Every time when the rapprochement between Russia and Azerbaijan begins, a campaign to slander Azerbaijan begins in the Russian media. And this is not surprising given the fact that most of the Russian media are in the hands of Armenians. Here's a look at the comments above. Everyone knows that a Russian helicopter that flew on the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan (Nakhchevan section) during the hostilities at night, without warning, was shot down by accident and Azerbaijan immediately recognized it. But some don't care. They say, answer for the helicopter, you need to destroy Azerbaijan, etc. Listen, if those who ask such questions are not children or Armenian provocateurs, then they must understand that the issue of the helicopter is being decided between the Defense Ministry of Russia and Azerbaijan. And if the Russian Ministry of Defense or other officers or relatives of the pilots do not make claims to Azerbaijan, then Azerbaijan's apology has been accepted, the issue of compensation for the helicopter, the issue of compensation to the families of the pilots have been resolved or are being resolved. If someone really cares about this issue (and does not write for provocation), then contact the Russian Ministry of Defense. Because the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense is negotiating with the Russian Ministry of Defense and not with the commentators of the Voennoye Obozreniye website.
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 27 December 2020 00: 01
      -1
      Where is the rapprochement, when the Turks in Baku change officers at their own discretion and completely twist Aliyev like a doll.
      1. Bakinec
        Bakinec 27 December 2020 00: 03
        0
        Give evidence that the Turks are twisting Aliyev or admit that you are a balabol.
        1. Airdefense
          Airdefense 27 December 2020 00: 21
          0
          Recently, the news spread on the Internet that the Turkish military command removed the Azerbaijani Defense Minister Zakir Hasanov from managing the Armed Forces. The reason was allegedly his close contacts with Russian generals. This was followed by information that the Baku generals - after they were actually removed from the control of the army by the Turks - was preparing to start a riot within the defense department.

          Already yesterday, Azerbaijani oppositionist living in Germany, blogger Gabil Mammedov, said that at the request of the Turkish military-political leadership, on charges of alleged treason, 7 generals of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, headed by Defense Minister Z. Hasanov, were detained and brought to Turkey. It is possible that these are the same generals who dared to express their dissatisfaction with the activation of the Turkish factor in the Azerbaijani army and through their neutralization Turkey is pursuing the goal of strengthening its full power in our Armed Forces.

          Recall that at the initial stage of hostilities in Karabakh, Chief of the General Staff of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces N. Sadigov was dismissed, arrested, and then transferred to Turkey..
          1. Bakinec
            Bakinec 27 December 2020 00: 55
            +3
            You yourself are not funny (or disgusted) by your "evidence". Someone wrote something, somewhere, the oppositionist said, etc. Look at the December parade in Baku. Who reports the beginning of the parade to the commander-in-chief (president)? That's right - Zakir Hasanov (Minister of Defense). Was he handcuffed? That's right - it wasn't.
            1. Airdefense
              Airdefense 27 December 2020 01: 03
              0
              They took them to the Turks for prof. conversation. It is extremely funny to say that Baku and Moscow are getting closer when Aliyev is Erdogan's vassal with whom Russia is waging two proxy wars in Syria and Libya. But I do not insist, let's see how events unfold in the next 3-5 years, Turkey has much more problems in the economy than in Russia and Erdogan will need wars.

              Or do you think Erdogan just imported militants from Syria (according to the statement of the heads of the intelligence services of Russia and several other countries)?
              1. Bakinec
                Bakinec 27 December 2020 01: 15
                0
                The war in Karabakh, during which for the time being Russia was silent despite the calls of Armenia to stop Azerbaijan and the text of the peace treaty prove that Russia and Azerbaijan have agreed. Azerbaijan conquered the lands and Russia sent its troops (peacekeepers) to the territory of Azerbaijan. This is convergence.
                And your desperate attempts to prove that the Turks are twisting by Aliyev and your use of fake news for this (allegedly arrested Hasanov) proves that you, alas, are balabol in this matter.
                1. Airdefense
                  Airdefense 27 December 2020 01: 20
                  0
                  This in no way cancels Baku's vassalage to Ankara and the fact that the Turks at their own discretion changed the composition of the general staff in Baku and this is not a rapprochement, just as your "patriots" are not happy with the fact that Russian peacekeepers are in Karabakh.
                  And why do you think Erdogan brought militants from Syria, or is the head of the Russian external hanging device deceiving us?
                  1. Bakinec
                    Bakinec 27 December 2020 01: 23
                    0
                    Again twenty-five. Your diagnosis is clear. Good night.
                    1. Airdefense
                      Airdefense 27 December 2020 01: 25
                      -1
                      And you, too, have pleasant dreams.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 27 December 2020 00: 30
    +5
    Quote: rusich
    Gastello was found. laughing Bullshit

    Well, yes, Azerbaijanis cannot perform feats according to the laws of the propaganda genre. You see, I have a negative attitude towards modern nihilism, this version of redneck, they say heroes can only be with "us", and not with "them." Some kind of monopoly. In fact, we are talking about the systematic impact of ideological myths on the minds of hurray-patriots.
    I am inclined to believe in the feat of the Panfilovites, for example (for sure there is some historical basis), as well as the fact that someone did the feat of Gastello, if not he, then one of his associates. And I would not make fun of it under any circumstances (a soldier died), but whoever would be with me (well, like you) got a pack from me, and my hand is heavy. But there are people like you - nihilists who do not respect any other people's point of view, boorishly ridiculing events that are not at all funny. There is at least some semblance of military honor or something, although what am I talking about? We are talking about the lost WARRIOR, and not killed in Algeria, Libya, Iraq, etc., but liberating (defending) his homeland. You will not understand.
    It's actually not that simple, dear. Nowadays, people like you and those like you question a lot. It's not good ...
    "The website of the State Archive of the Russian Federation has posted a certificate-report of the Chief Military Prosecutor N. Afanasyev" On 28 Panfilov's men "dated May 10, 1948, based on the results of an investigation by the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office, stored in the fund of the USSR Prosecutor's Office (GA RF. F. R-8131) There were no 28 heroes. From the list of "heroes" two "heroes" went to the Germans. And not 28 people took part in the battle. But more than a hundred died. Total lies and inventions. As with all Soviet history. " Yeah...
    Source: http://www.belrussia.ru/page-id-6895.html
    "The Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky recently criticized the leadership of the State Archives of Russia, which debunked the myth of the feat of" 28 Panfilov heroes. "Historians have published a reference, according to which the whole story is the fantasy of military journalists."
    Source: https://www.currenttime.tv/a/27167002.html

    Gastello, by the way, was not found:
    1. “However, irrefutable facts say that he did not perform the“ feat of Gastello. ”Captain Nikolai Gastello's“ Fire Ram ”became one of the most famous examples of heroism in the Great Patriotic War and was used for military-patriotic propaganda and education of young people. However, irrefutable facts say that the "feat of Gastello" he did not commit. "
    Источник: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c5956231b1f6a00a9cab8ca/kto-sovershal-podvig-gastello-5c78688720389400b46382a5
    2. "Who then performed the feat, which the whole world knows as the" feat of Gastello "? The authors of the documentary film" The Deadly Ram. " The Truth About Nicholas Gastello. "
    https://smotrim.ru/brand/10421
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 27 December 2020 09: 42
      0
      And the whole world saw our hero, a diplomat, who was shot in the back while he was speaking. 100% proof of heroism.
  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 27 December 2020 02: 32
    +1
    Quote: Airdefense
    Russia showed weakness and did not punish Azerbaijan

    I am writing this as a citizen of Russia and I see Aliyev's attempts to smooth over the incident quietly, I hope that it does not work out.

    Armenians sleep and see that Russia is fighting for them.
    It may well be that they are also allies, but they shot comparable numbers in the soldiers.

    And what does Aliyev do quietly that only you can see ..? For those of you, you, we will have a loud leash when people like you or we need ... at the moment, for the sake of your and our desire, no one owes anything .. . unless in front of the relatives of the victims ... and only the relatives of the victims decide who is what and how they should ... and at the request of the relatives, it is possible for our participation to help them in a ray of dissatisfaction with their wishes or conditions by the authorities or someone else ...
  • Vyacheslav Ivanov_2
    Vyacheslav Ivanov_2 27 December 2020 16: 57
    0
    Storytellers. Why did they even use dryers if there were so many UAVs? Type of people do not mind, pity bpl?
  • Seal
    Seal 29 December 2020 17: 52
    0
    Having sacrificed his life, he directed the plane to the area of ​​accumulation of enemy forces and equipment
    Such statements must be supported by facts. Found a place "near Dzhabrail" where this plane fell? Are there fragments of Armenian equipment around the wreckage of the crashed plane? Are there radio intercepts of communications over communications, including mobile communications, in which Armenians would discuss the topic that a plane fell on them and killed and wounded many? Until there is proof - this is a beautiful legend.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 31 December 2020 23: 32
    0
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3636543933096716&id=373094976108311