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The Ukrainian press told how Ukraine will control the Black Sea

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In Ukraine, they continue to declare that they are following the course of the transfer of the army and fleet to NATO standards. At the same time, very arrogant statements are heard that the power of the Ukrainian army today is "greater than ever." Recall that at one time Petro Poroshenko called the Ukrainian army "one of the strongest on the continent."


Now in the Ukrainian departmental media there are statements that, thanks to the use of the experience of the "allies" and the development of their own technologies, the power of the army and navy "will continue to gradually increase."

The publication Defense Express published a material that tells how Ukraine will control the Black Sea. It should be noted, however, that this is not a question, but an actual statement with provisions on how Kiev will achieve such control. And, as already noted, for "control over the Black Sea" Ukraine is going to develop its own technologies and "adopt world experience."

From material in the Ukrainian press:

To effectively defeat the enemy at sea, it is necessary to detect, identify and only then strike.

The statement is more than obvious. Further, the question of how exactly "in time" are going to detect the enemy. One of the examples mentioned in the publication is surface and underwater space monitoring systems with the integration of various detection means.

At the same time, it does not say which surface and even more so underwater means are going to be used by the naval forces of Ukraine. And with the number of ships currently in the Ukrainian Navy, this question a priori may remain unanswered.

The material tells about Russia's military actions in the Black Sea. As an example, they cite “the assignment of special importance to the interdepartmental integrated system of illumination of the surface and underwater situation, which includes marine, space and land contours.

In Ukraine, they are going to implement their own system of a similar nature. At the same time, it is indicated that it is necessary to carry out operational anti-ship, anti-submarine and anti-sabotage defense, including the defense of the coast, naval bases, tactical groups of ships in an unprotected roadstead.

The need to increase the level of protection of the Ukrainian sea borders, the length of which is 1355 km, is noted. All these components, according to the profile Ukrainian press, will help Kiev to gain control over the Black Sea.
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  1. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 26 December 2020 15: 41
    +32
    Kak budet UA kontrolirovat CHM?
    Da nikak.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 26 December 2020 16: 08
      +14
      “Attaching special importance to the interdepartmental integrated system of illumination of the surface and underwater environment, which includes marine, space and land contours.

      In Ukraine, they are going to implement their own system of a similar nature.

      Something there is completely out of breath. Every day, new tales are told - or about new types of weapons, every week something new, now about the "absolute" control of the Black Sea ...
      And then, as always, it will sound, "The fakir was drunk and the trick failed"?
      1. zenion
        zenion 26 December 2020 17: 07
        +15
        As in the best times - on chavny, pid water with cradles in the teeth.
        1. krot
          krot 26 December 2020 22: 00
          +4
          Petro Poroshenko called the Ukrainian army “one of the strongest on the continent

          On which continent only, the question! laughing
          And these potheads have flooded the Runet yet! Just tin)))
          1. Maikcg
            Maikcg 27 December 2020 01: 27
            +8
            On the globe of Ukraine
            1. avdkrd
              avdkrd 27 December 2020 05: 01
              +2
              Would put 200 pluses, but the site policy is against. In fact, anything dedicated to 404 country is subject to strict censorship. Globe 404, it is strong, even the globe of Adygea, sounds smaller.
      2. major147
        major147 26 December 2020 17: 23
        +7
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Something there is completely out of breath.

        They just haven't received it for a long time!
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 36
          +1
          Quote: major147
          Yes, they just haven't received it for a long time

          Five years probably
      3. 210ox
        210ox 26 December 2020 17: 24
        +5
        I do not care what they are (Bandera's utyrki) and how. The only concern is how our forces and capabilities will develop in the Black Sea and not only there.
      4. Artunis
        Artunis 27 December 2020 16: 52
        +2
        Well, what else is there for them to do? In reality, even cartoons cannot be drawn normal, so they use their tongues on all sides of the world. How many do not say "halva" in your mouth will not become sweeter.
    2. Avrora17
      Avrora17 26 December 2020 16: 56
      +1
      Quote: CastroRuiz
      Kak budet UA kontrolirovat CHM?
      Da nikak.

      Taki da! Pust za Donbas luche pereshivaut i Xarkiv s Odesoi
    3. frruc
      frruc 26 December 2020 17: 29
      +8
      Something was superfluous:
      The Black Sea border is 1057 km long, the Azov border is 250 km (https://ru.wikipedia.org/), total = 1307 km. In the direction of Moldova, they have not yet dug the sea.
      And then 12,5 sea. miles from the coastline, their control ends.
      1. Alanart
        Alanart 26 December 2020 17: 49
        +4
        Probably they think of Crimea
    4. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 27 December 2020 09: 26
      0
      Once dug, now they will bury laughing
    5. nobody75
      nobody75 27 December 2020 19: 00
      -1
      Easy, with the help of Ukraine ... The American system will be delivered to Ukraine and integrated into NATO's networks.
      Sincerely
      1. Dimon Dimonov_2
        Dimon Dimonov_2 2 January 2021 19: 37
        0
        Then it will surface somewhere in Africa ... swam - we know ...
  2. faterdom
    faterdom 26 December 2020 15: 42
    +25
    And the Mediterranean, by the way, must be added.
    This is flattering.
    Since the days of the Roman Empire, it is completely dumb to completely control it.
    Ukraine can handle it. The main thing is that the EU should provide a loan for this business.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 15: 46
      +8
      Quote: faterdom
      Since the days of the Roman Empire, it is completely dumb to completely control it.

      The Sumerians did not know yet that they were Sumerians laughing
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 26 December 2020 15: 47
      +8
      And the VNA has a fleet ??? No, so let them first try to control their Wishlist! wink
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 December 2020 15: 57
        +15
        Quote: VORON538
        And the VNA fleet remained ???

        What else laughing



        Well, the cherry on the cake laughing
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 26 December 2020 15: 58
          +1
          Nenuacho, after all wassat And the tank commander laughing
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 04
            +14
            They say there is a second instance. Him laughing
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 26 December 2020 16: 05
              +3
              Into the glass of the sea
              Well then yes, at least he controls it drinks
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 08
                -1
                Quote: VORON538
                Well then yes, at least he controls it

                Every day and more than once laughing
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 26 December 2020 17: 06
                0
                Quote: VORON538
                Well then yes, at least he controls it
                Most likely, a cup holder with a control panel, he takes it for a walk like a dog.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 25
                  -3
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Most likely, a cup holder with a control panel, he takes it for a walk like a dog

                  There is also a programmer. Fills up every hour laughing
        2. major147
          major147 26 December 2020 17: 26
          +2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: VORON538
          And the VNA fleet remained ???

          What else


          "Ukraine" - she is!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 28
            -1
            Quote: major147
            "Ukraine" - she is!

            Moschch laughing
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: faterdom
      Ukraine can handle it.
      It is high time. And then somehow uncontrollably in these waters.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 26 December 2020 15: 43
    +15
    ... As an example, he cites “the assignment of special importance to the interdepartmental integrated system of illumination of the surface and underwater situation, which includes the marine, space and land contours.

    By itself, this "state" is, of course, funny.

    But with Western finances, it turns from a funny ridiculous clown to an evil goblin
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 26 December 2020 15: 48
      +3
      But still a mutant hi
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 15: 48
      +6
      Quote: Olgovich
      it transforms from a funny ridiculous clown to an evil goblin

      Well, it's like turning a clown with a cock on the piano, into a "prezika"
    3. Cron
      Cron 26 December 2020 17: 54
      0
      But with Western finances, it turns from a funny ridiculous clown to an evil goblin

      Come on, what other Western finances? There is nothing but handouts. Basically, they just deflate and keep on a credit stranglehold
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 26 December 2020 20: 03
        -2
        Quote: Cron
        Come on, what other Western finances? There is nothing but handouts. Basically, they just deflate and keep on a credit stranglehold

        Disagree: Bayraktars-48 pcs, Javelins, boats from the USA, England, corvettes from Turkey, reconnaissance stations, etc., etc., these are very ALARM calls
        1. Cron
          Cron 27 December 2020 14: 11
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Cron
          Come on, what other Western finances? There is nothing but handouts. Basically, they just deflate and keep on a credit stranglehold

          Disagree: Bayraktars-48 pcs, Javelins, boats from the USA, England, corvettes from Turkey, reconnaissance stations, etc., etc., these are very ALARM calls

          I hasten to please you. This is all for money, money of the Ukrainians, and this is all the loading of third-party production. Is Turkey really engaged in charity work? Javelins have been sold for twice as much as they are exported. With boats there is generally a scam of the century. Suddenly, for no reason at all, Ukraine needed a boat fleet. We ordered it from the USA. England over there gave a loan so that they would buy boats from the British. You have forgotten about French boats))). Well, the Turks, of course, want to get money from this. There is a crisis in the yard, but here you can provide your own work, who will refuse?
          Of the entire list of weapons, the most useless for Ukraine is the fleet. For it is expensive in production and maintenance, all the more foreign, and it is completely unsuitable for their Napoleonic plans to return Donbass and Crimea. It will be stupid to pull money from an already leaky budget. They will not even have time to raise their ensign, as these troughs will be sunk in the event of a war with Russia. Coastal missile systems would be much more interesting. How effective their Neptune is, I cannot assess. But on the side they could and buy. But there is one cut, and the cut drives. Erdogan alone began to move them a little in order to spend money on what is needed. Not without scammers on corvettes))
          Trump even robbed them of handouts in 2021. And so the IMF gives them loans to pay off old loans, under strict conditions and requirements. So there is no money pumping there. The plan was to take the Ukrainian market and enter ours through it. But here there are no fools. They were given only the first quotas
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 26 December 2020 15: 45
    +5
    One of the examples mentioned in the publication is surface and underwater space monitoring systems with the integration of various detection means.

    Especially touches underwater.
    With your "powerful" underwater lot?
    Apparently going to "Ukraine" from the berth laughing
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 26 December 2020 15: 59
      +4
      If only they didn't start to flood hi
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 05
        -1
        Quote: VORON538
        If only they didn't start to flood hi

        What else is afloat? laughing
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 26 December 2020 16: 06
          +3
          There is enough intelligence and what is afloat, and what is now land.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 09
            0
            The land was practically drowned
    2. uralant
      uralant 26 December 2020 17: 56
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Apparently going to "Ukraine" from the berth

      Not "Ukraine", but "Zaporozhye" will have to be hijacked from Sevastopol, cut off from the pier and controlled!
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 December 2020 18: 03
        -2
        Quote: uralant
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Apparently going to "Ukraine" from the berth

        Not "Ukraine", but "Zaporozhye" will have to be hijacked from Sevastopol, cut off from the pier and controlled!

        Well, all means are good for control laughing laughing
        Thank you for "Zaporozhye". hi
        Completely forgot recourse
  5. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 26 December 2020 15: 46
    +9
    Touches the simplicity and naivety of people making such statements. Sometimes you need to break away from the famous naval game and look first at the state of your own industry, and then in your pockets.
    1. Stas Sv
      Stas Sv 26 December 2020 16: 43
      +1
      Does it touch you? I'm not there. Because imbeciles are at the head. You just need to blurt out something without thinking about the consequences. The fact that there is no industry in Ukraine no longer worries anyone. But with an enviable episodicity it throws into the media space about the great Sumerians.
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein 26 December 2020 16: 54
      0
      No, those who say this have everything in their pockets in order. But in the treasury ... The budget of Ukraine for 2021 was adopted with a deficit of 270 billion hryvnia.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 December 2020 15: 46
    +5
    Their head works until lunchtime. Then "Battle Hopak"request National tradition.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 00
      +10
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Then "Battle Hopak"

      I would say "Universal Combat Hopak"
      1. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 26 December 2020 23: 01
        0
        With great respect: but where did you get so much RED stuff?
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  8. parusnik
    parusnik 26 December 2020 15: 58
    +7
    When the nightingale has nothing to feed, it is fed with fables ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 06
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      When the nightingale has nothing to feed, it is fed with fables ...

      And people are noodles
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 26 December 2020 16: 43
        +6
        Quote: Lipchanin
        And people are noodles

        And what to do if there is no other - 10 days ago - Testing of the Russian surface monitoring system "Strategy" began in the Black Sea - they decided to answer, thought, thought, so they came up with it ...
  9. svp67
    svp67 26 December 2020 15: 59
    +11
    Hmm ... dreams, dreams are your sweetness ...
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 26 December 2020 21: 44
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Hmm ... dreams, dreams are your sweetness ...

      So looking at the maps, the question is, how much is the actual length of Ukraine's maritime borders now -
      The need to improve the level of protection of the Ukrainian maritime borders, the length of which is 1355 km, is noted.

      But this figure was made up of the sum - along the Black Sea - 1056,5 km; along the Azov Sea - 249,5 km; along the Kerch Strait - 49 km ... But the Kerch Strait ... 30 percent of the Sea of ​​Azov remained, and not about 70 as on the first map ...
  10. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 December 2020 15: 59
    +4
    In great Anchuria, everything is the same.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 56
      +3
      Will definitely be covered
  11. bar
    bar 26 December 2020 16: 01
    +2
    The Ukrainian press told how Ukraine will control the Black Sea

    This country 404 will not control anything. The maximum that she is able to do to screw us up is to launch striped ones into their ports.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 11
      -1
      Quote: bar
      The maximum that she is able to do to screw us up is to launch striped ones into their ports.

      And this is where it goes
  12. Alexy
    Alexy 26 December 2020 16: 06
    +2
    This blah blah has continued since the inception of the Navy. There are a bunch of admirals and various staff officers wiping their pants. We must show them at least some semblance of activity.
    1. Free Island
      Free Island 26 December 2020 16: 29
      +3
      Let me correct you - VMPU. Naval Raft of Ukraine
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 17: 16
      0
      Quote: Alexy
      There are a bunch of admirals and various staff officers wiping their pants. We must show them at least some semblance of activity.
      And they would be engaged in combat hopak, they would have less hemorrhoids.
  13. cniza
    cniza 26 December 2020 16: 07
    +4
    All these components, according to the profile Ukrainian press, will help Kiev to gain control over the Black Sea.


    You have experience, dig, somewhere near Poltava, for yourself the Black Sea and control it for health ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 December 2020 16: 17
      +2
      So it looks like their upper ones were like clowns, and they want us to win, to make us laugh to death.
      Their perverted strategy, ZE CLOWNADE!
      1. cniza
        cniza 26 December 2020 16: 51
        +2
        Indeed, if one dies from laughter, and yet someone believes that they can control the Black Sea ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 December 2020 16: 57
          +1
          They need to cheer them up with something ... they need to highlight the cookies, they screw up, it remains to feed their flock with "sweet, pleasant speeches". The method is not new, but not endless .... that is, the same team, ordinary temporary workers, snatch straight schaz, they do not count on more.
          1. cniza
            cniza 26 December 2020 17: 25
            +2
            The congregation has not believed them for a long time, looking at their wallets and the general situation, if they believe, then the few are the most stubborn ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 26 December 2020 17: 52
              +1
              And they don't need the whole flock ... their ranks of those who crossed are not over yet, they are kept like a scarecrow for the rest, on complementary foods ...
              feed them with fables, as the Fuehrer kept his own, with dreams of future lands, estates and barracks. Placed "future pans", only they do not tell them how it usually ends, and they themselves passed the story, real, and not a fiction from all kinds of goats / l / s.
              1. cniza
                cniza 26 December 2020 18: 41
                +2
                There is such an analogy, only then the hangover will be cruel ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 26 December 2020 18: 50
                  +1
                  It will be, only the timing has not yet been determined.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 26 December 2020 18: 54
                    +3
                    The longer they delay, the harder it will be, but that is their concern ...
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 01
          0
          Quote: cniza
          but someone believes

          Atoshniki and Banderlog
          1. cniza
            cniza 26 December 2020 17: 26
            +2
            Banderlog may be, but those who visited the ATO can only pretend that they believe ...
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 32
              -1
              Quote: cniza
              Banderlog may be, but those who visited the ATO can only pretend that they believe ...

              These are the first. The present ones who have not fought believe
              1. cniza
                cniza 26 December 2020 17: 34
                +2
                Well, these are the ones that thump hopelessly ...
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: cniza
                  Well, these are the ones that thump hopelessly ...

                  Well yes
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 26 December 2020 18: 38
                    +2
                    This yes the sea is knee-deep, these will believe anything ...
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 18: 43
                      -2
                      Quote: cniza
                      This yes the sea is knee-deep, these will believe anything ...

                      For this they solder
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 00
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        So it looks like their upper ones were like clowns, and they want us to win, to make us laugh to death.

        I will answer with a hackneyed, but nevertheless relevant phrase. Who served in the Army does not laugh in the circus laughing
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 December 2020 17: 54
          +1
          We have enough serious guys, half the country will be typed! We may not laugh to death, but we can still neigh.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 26 December 2020 18: 05
            -1
            Quote: rocket757
            but still can neigh.

            When will we hammer
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 26 December 2020 18: 48
              +1
              What for?
              We are peaceful people, just our armored train is on the side track ... under steam.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 26 December 2020 18: 59
                -1
                Quote: rocket757
                under steam

                And with a loaded weapon
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 26 December 2020 19: 29
                  -1
                  Local settlements ... it won't take long to charge.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 26 December 2020 19: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: rocket757
                    charge not long

                    Isn't it time already?
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 16: 58
      -1
      Quote: cniza
      Do you have experience, dig somewhere near Poltava

      And better in the zapadenschine.
      Will be drowned where
      1. cniza
        cniza 26 December 2020 17: 27
        +2
        It's not far, they will get there ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 33
          -1
          Quote: cniza
          It's not far there, they will get there.

          Peshkodralocroll? laughing laughing
          1. cniza
            cniza 26 December 2020 17: 37
            +2
            Uh-huh, deep drilled ...
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 40
              -1
              Quote: cniza
              Uh-huh, deep drilled ...

              I can’t do it laughing laughing
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      dig somewhere near Poltava
      There is a Kremenchug reservoir nearby. And you don't need to dig anything, don't frighten.
      1. cniza
        cniza 26 December 2020 17: 28
        +1
        Then let them rename the business ...
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 26 December 2020 17: 32
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          let them rename
          Expensive, the IMF won't give that much.
          1. cniza
            cniza 26 December 2020 17: 35
            +1
            These are their problems, how many have been renamed and nothing ...
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 34
        -1
        Quote: sniperino
        And you don't need to dig anything

        Yes, they still have nothing to do
  14. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 26 December 2020 16: 08
    +2
    The Ukrainians will control the Black Sea without attracting the attention of the orderlies.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      without attracting the attention of the orderlies.

      Do you think the orderlies there think differently?
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 26 December 2020 16: 15
    +3
    The Ukrainian press told how Ukraine will control the Black Sea

    It looks like they want to cheer us up to death !!!
    1. cniza
      cniza 26 December 2020 16: 53
      +2
      They are looking for a weak point ... I don't even know what to say to this their statement ...
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 03
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      It looks like they want to cheer us up to death !!!

      Sumerians they are the oldest clowns on the planet laughing laughing
  16. Free Island
    Free Island 26 December 2020 16: 25
    +4
    Ukraine will "control" the Black Sea in the same way that the Japanese "control their northern Kurils" - look at it through binoculars and cry from powerlessness
    1. cniza
      cniza 26 December 2020 16: 54
      +3
      Yeah, if they still have the shore ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 December 2020 16: 56
      +4
      Quote: Free Island
      Ukraine will "control" the Black Sea in the same way that the Japanese "control their northern Kuriles"

      Well, at least the Japanese can approach 12 miles from the sea and look at the Kuril Islands, which were still Japanese at one time. But in 1654, after Ukraine was admitted to the Russian Kingdom, there were no seas washing Ukraine at all.
      And so that they would not forget who warmed them, here is an excerpt from the decision of the Pereyaslav Rada:
      That Great Sovereign, the Tsar of Christianity, taking pity on the unbearable bitterness of the Orthodox Church in our small Russia, not despising our six-year-old prayers of unceasing, now has merciful his Tsar’s heart and inclined us, deigned to send his great neighbors to us with the Tsar’s mercy, whom he has we will love with zeal, except for His Tsarist high hand of the most merciful shelter which is not obscure; and there will be someone who does not agree with us now, wherever he wants, a free road. To these words, all the people cried out: we are free under the Tsar of the East, the Orthodox, with a strong hand in our pious faith, die, rather than not the hater of Christ, trash, wealth.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: Free Island
      look at him through binoculars and cry from powerlessness

      Well, from time to time sipping
  17. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 26 December 2020 16: 31
    +1
    the power of the Ukrainian army today is "greater than ever."

    If so, at what "level" was this power yesterday? belay
    The material tells about Russia's military actions in the Black Sea ...
    In Ukraine, they are going to implement their own system of a similar nature.

    But what about the holy "NATO standards"? wassat
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 December 2020 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      But what about the holy "NATO standards"?

      So NATO standards, only for NATO countries, but for the poor the standards of African countries.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 06
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        and for the poor the standards of African countries.

        Well, they are in general a servant.
        Come and serve
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 December 2020 19: 09
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Well, they are in general a servant.
          Come and serve

          Well, if you read Stanley about the journey through the Congo Delta from the western part of Africa to the eastern one, then remember who dragged cargo to his people, paved the road, drove the beasts away. This is just a job for those wishing to join NATO, at that time it was different, though it was called.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 26 December 2020 19: 17
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            at that time it was different, though it was called.

            But the role is the same
  18. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 26 December 2020 16: 32
    +4
    There will be no war. Our military will simply be greeted and let straight to the Kiev "zrada". Well, Bandera and other shortcomings of the Second World War will burst out, and this is all over.
  19. askort154
    askort154 26 December 2020 16: 39
    0
    The Ukrainian press told how Ukraine will control the Black Seae "

    The United States is eager to be present in the Black Sea constantly. But for them,
    while the obstacle is the Mortier Memorandum With the project of their base in Sevastopol, which they confidently counted on in 2012, there was a bummer in 2014.
    Now they have organized a new trick, forcing Ukraine to pass a law on the sale of land. And the process started. The British (no matter what) are selling to Ukraine (after visiting Zelensky) 6 boats on credit, with the condition of their further production in Ukraine. That is, after delivery 6
    boats, will deploy their enterprise on the territory of Ukraine, having bought land for it. It will be the property of England (no matter what area, 5 or 5000 sq.m.), the main thing, it will be the property of England (USA-NATO), and according to Morte, NATO (USA) ships can be present in the Black Sea without any restrictions on time and displacement. That is, the United States did not succeed with Sevastopol, they make their way from the other side. And thanks to our "fellow Slavs", the Anglo-Saxons will climb into the Black Sea
    according to law" .
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 17: 29
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      the USA did not succeed with Sevastopol, they make their way from the other side
      The passage to Tiraspol would close 2 problems.
    2. kit88
      kit88 27 December 2020 00: 41
      +7
      NATO (USA) ships can be present in the Black Sea without restrictions on time and displacement

      Could you explain how it all looks from a legal point of view.
      And your multi-pass is too long. In the same Bulgaria, the sale of land to foreigners is allowed.
      But in Bulgaria, in Russia, the sale of land to foreigners is allowed. One hundred pounds of land in Russia is owned by US citizens. And what, now, on this basis, NATO (US) ships can be present in the Black Sea without restrictions on time and displacement?
      Somehow your thoughts are not quite clear. More like a Soviet horror story that you can't build Disneylands, because the Americans will instruct us instead of Pershing carousels there, and we can't do anything !!!!
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 26 December 2020 16: 40
    +4
    In Ukraine, they continue to declare that they are following the course of transferring the army and navy to NATO standards.

    - NATO standards, these are aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, frigates, corvettes, UDC.
    - Standards of African countries and Ukraine, these are river armored boats, patrol boats, motor and fun boats. Of all these countries, only Ukraine had a world-class shipbuilding industry.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 07
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      river armored boats, patrol boats, motor and fun boats.

      Forgotten about the rafts lol lol
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 26 December 2020 17: 47
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Forgotten about the rafts
        And if you put Yamaha motors on lifebuoys, you can work out the swarming tactics on the water. The main thing is to cover the rear from the screw.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 52
          0
          Quote: sniperino
          And if on lifebuoys

          Circles are few request
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 27 December 2020 01: 59
            0
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Circles are few
            And what about the cameras from the wheels?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 December 2020 19: 05
          +2
          Quote: sniperino
          And if you put Yamaha motors on lifebuoys,

          Well, again, they cost money, I "Yamaha" in a week will be overjoyed for the second time.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 27 December 2020 02: 14
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            “Yamaha” will win for the second time in a week.
            Then only long flippers. You can make of tires, why burn them in vain in Kiev.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 26 December 2020 19: 03
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Forgotten about the rafts

        The old one has become, I have forgotten such a "waterfowl" means.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 26 December 2020 19: 09
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The old one has become, I have forgotten such a "waterfowl" means.

          Well, they have it not just a waterfowl, they have it a COMBAT waterfowl
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein 26 December 2020 17: 09
      +2
      "Of all these countries, only Ukraine had a world-class shipbuilding industry."
      As part of the USSR. Ships and civilian ships were built at Ukrainian shipyards by the entire Union.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 58
        +1
        Quote: Boris Epstein
        As part of the USSR. Ships and civil ships were built at Ukrainian shipyards by the whole Union

        Once upon a time ...
        The Ocean Shipyard is located in Nikolaev. The territory of the Okean plant is located in the southern part of the city, downstream of the Southern Bug River, on its left bank. The plant owns a land plot of about 101 hectares and a water area of ​​42 hectares. The total length of the outfitting embankments exceeds 600 meters.

        The plant was founded in 1951. The main activities of the enterprise are shipbuilding and ship repair. The enterprise has two technological lines for large-scale and medium-scale shipbuilding. The large-tonnage line is used for the construction of tankers and container ships, and on the medium-tonnage line, barges, pontoons and tugs are being built, it could also produce warships.

        In the past few years, Okean has been owned by the offshore company Zonel Operations Ltd. It is suspected that Russian investors are behind it, which was confirmed by businessman Vadim Novinsky in 2016. Since 2011, the plant has been under the operational management of Vadim Novinsky's Smart-Holding. But since 2013, when the plant was first declared bankrupt, the company, she claims, has pulled out of the project.

        Since 2012, the company has been teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. But the price for which it was eventually sold shocked the Ukrainian community - just over UAH 122 million. with a starting price of UAH 1,8 billion. "In fact, the plant went at the price of an elite house near Kiev. Even if you cut the equipment that remained there for scrap metal, it will be several times more expensive," economist Aleksey Kushch said.

        Formally, the winner of the auction for the sale of the Okean plant was Annona LLC, owned by the Nikolaev businessman Igor Voloshin. In the Open Data database, cargo handling is indicated as the main specialization of Anona LLC. The authorized capital of the company is UAH 150,5 thousand. But in fact, experts strongly doubt that Voloshin is the last buyer. They consider the involvement of the Kapatsin family of Nikolaev businessmen in the deal on the sale of "Ocean" likely. Vasily Kapatsin is called the "gray eminence" of the Ukrainian port industry. For a long time he headed the Nikolaev sea trade port and was considered almost overseeing the entire Nikolaev region.



    3. Gardener91
      Gardener91 26 December 2020 19: 18
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      - NATO standards, these are aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, frigates, corvettes, UDC.

      The Baltic states are not in NATO, are they?
  21. Mikhail Maximov
    Mikhail Maximov 26 December 2020 16: 44
    +1
    Take some more kiyan under control)
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 December 2020 16: 49
    +2
    Meli Bandera Emelya, your week. laughing
  23. Sayan
    Sayan 26 December 2020 16: 56
    +1
    Well-euuu, and what's not Okhotsk?))))
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 17: 09
      0
      Quote: Sayan
      and what's not Okhotsk?))))

      Well, or South China laughing
  24. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 26 December 2020 17: 12
    +1
    for the budget of ukroflot, the purchase of 8 URO boats from the Brit with the accompanying infrastructure and training is a disaster
  25. rusich
    rusich 26 December 2020 17: 30
    +2
    The outskirts will control the Black Sea on inflatable mattresses and only in reeds
  26. wow
    wow 26 December 2020 17: 32
    -1
    "... how Ukraine will control ...". How, how - what up!
  27. tarakan
    tarakan 26 December 2020 17: 53
    0
    Although civilian, I think that on the Black Sea, a bias should be made towards coastal anti-ship missiles and air defense systems, missile defense systems, and the underwater environment "to sonar".
  28. tarakan
    tarakan 26 December 2020 17: 55
    0
    I forgot to add, there are enough attack helicopters in the air
  29. Dimide
    Dimide 26 December 2020 18: 00
    +1
    The original article discusses what kind of monitoring system should be built. Basically, the Romanian system SCOMAR is signed
  30. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 26 December 2020 18: 06
    +3
    .... To effectively defeat the enemy at sea, he must be detected, identified in time and only then strike ...
    When this is written by people who planted a Tochka-U tactical missile in a 9-storey residential building in the city of Brovary (Kiev region) during ground exercises, a passenger plane (Tu-154M of Siberia Airlines flying along the Tel- Aviv - Novosibirsk), and now they are looking towards the sea .... you involuntarily shudder.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 27 December 2020 02: 25
      +1
      Quote: Bad_gr
      during the air defense exercises shot down a passenger plane (Tu-154M
      And without exercises - another: Boeing MH-17.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 27 December 2020 11: 42
        +3
        Quote: Bad_gr
        during the air defense exercises shot down a passenger plane (Tu-154M
        Quote: sniperino
        And without exercises - another: Boeing MH-17.

        To summarize, the Ukrainian army, in its history, shot down only passenger planes.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 27 December 2020 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Bad_gr
          To summarize, the Ukrainian army, in its history, shot down only passenger planes.
          Except, maybe, targets. Both laughter and sin ...
  31. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 26 December 2020 18: 52
    +3
    In my provincial opinion, UA- will hardly control the sea.
    Bo, belated edge as much already.
    However, brushing off an enemy like flies is a bad idea.
    Since UA (according to its intentions and sources) has quite ambitions for the World Cup. For Azov, I generally keep quiet.
    And these intentions will very much poison the service of our fleet.
    If you face the truth. hi
  32. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 December 2020 18: 59
    +1
    The need to increase the level of protection of the Ukrainian sea borders, the length of which is 1355 km, is noted. All these components, according to the profile Ukrainian press, will help Kiev to gain control over the Black Sea. belay laughing WELDED FROGS CANNOT RUN
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 19: 10
      -3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      WELDED FROGS CANNOT RUN

      They can have FSE yes
  33. Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 26 December 2020 18: 59
    +2
    For a long time that the articles of Pan Tarakan were not. I would read it with interest.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 26 December 2020 19: 12
      -1
      Quote: Olkhovsky
      For a long time that the articles of Pan Tarakan were not. I would read it with interest.

      A long time ago ...
  34. Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 26 December 2020 19: 05
    0
    We are waiting for the emergence of a fleet of mosquito drones - chocolate armored boats
  35. d1975
    d1975 26 December 2020 19: 16
    0
    Noble tobacco in 404 today.
  36. Voltsky
    Voltsky 26 December 2020 19: 39
    0
    The Ukrainian press told how Ukraine will control the Black Sea

    I think it's just wonderful
  37. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 26 December 2020 19: 42
    0
    that the power of the Ukrainian army today is "greater than ever"

    How Ukraine will be a terrorist state in Eastern Europe.
    1. Avrora17
      Avrora17 26 December 2020 19: 46
      -1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      that the power of the Ukrainian army today is "greater than ever"

      How Ukraine will be a terrorist state in Eastern Europe.

      Languages ​​in Kiev for buns are usually ... And the rest, even Westerners infiltrate to work in Russia and are silent praising Moskou and looking into the eyes of employers .. They even sing the Russian anthem)))))
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 26 December 2020 22: 15
        +1
        Survive as best they can laughing
  38. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 26 December 2020 19: 47
    +2
    Oh, how we want, how we all want - not to die, but to fall asleep (to drown in our case)
  39. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 26 December 2020 20: 33
    +2
    And the report to the State Department: they barked from around the corner - once. Please pay.
  40. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 26 December 2020 20: 46
    0
    All attempts to control something by Ukraine end in the death of civilians.
  41. Old26
    Old26 26 December 2020 20: 49
    0
    Quote: cniza
    Indeed, if one dies from laughter, and yet someone believes that they can control the Black Sea ...

    I believe. In the area of ​​Odessa in the area of ​​operation of coastal defense inflatable boats laughing
  42. Uran53
    Uran53 26 December 2020 21: 45
    +1
    Will there be Ukraine at all?
  43. APASUS
    APASUS 26 December 2020 21: 48
    0
    Somehow everything passed by the author of the material, there is no answer. Ukraine is trying to enlist the support of the Turks in this area, and specifically is trying to agree on the construction of an unmanned missile boat ULAQ.
  44. mu1972
    mu1972 26 December 2020 22: 30
    0
    seagulls will rivet en masse!
  45. Kettle13
    Kettle13 27 December 2020 00: 40
    0
    We will still hear a lot from Ukraine, "how Ukraine WILL control ..." further down the list. And not only to control, but also to produce! The main thing is that Ukraine is not hindered from making such applications, but in the future :) But in the present it is the other way around, it is getting worse and worse. Until it comes to her that Westerners need Ukraine as a weapon or a thorn in Russia, nothing more. In the meantime, Westerners are riding on Ukrainian ears with promises. And Ukraine in response to them "what you please" or "let us" into the EU.
  46. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 27 December 2020 07: 16
    -1
    The Ukrainian press told how Ukraine will control the Black Sea

    How .. how .. how ... and pants full of poop.
  47. Taranov Denis
    Taranov Denis 27 December 2020 10: 50
    +1
    After the political collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian army was in reality one of the most powerful armies in Europe. It just got from the USSR, up to nuclear weapons. According to Soviet terminology, Ukraine got 11 armies, 800 soldiers, 000 tanks, 6500 armored vehicles, 7000 aircraft, 1500 warships! And then their appetite for trading woke up. Weapons began to be massively sold to third countries. The rest just rotted away. But something has remained until now - the huge scale did not allow to have time to tear everything apart. the failed state of the third (probably not the tenth) world. Special thanks to the presidents-traders: Kravchuk, Kuchma, orange and candy.
  48. ont65
    ont65 27 December 2020 12: 02
    0
    With Bandera, the ceremony is useless, especially since the Western coalition interprets international law more broadly than is permissible. In order to prevent incidents, there is nothing easier than to arrange a sea blockade for the Zhovto-Blakitniks and take any pelvis that went out to sea by the tsugunder, as is the case with Iranian ships, so as not to creep out of the allotted water area.
  49. BOB044
    BOB044 27 December 2020 12: 51
    0
    How stupid they are.
  50. Maks winter
    Maks winter 27 December 2020 20: 07
    0
    fabulous country, this Ukraine ...) wassat