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Post-Soviet space: nobody listened to Russia, but they faced it

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And why they should have listened to us?


After 1991 and the collapse of the USSR, it would be strange to expect that someone in the West will seriously listen to Russia. It's just ridiculous. And even in the XNUMXs, count on the fact that we there someone there would listen, it would be unnatural. The balance of power was not very impressive. And this is - to put it mildly.

Sad introduction


However, in the post-Soviet space, the situation was completely different.

And in the 90s Russia remained the number one country, being much stronger and more influential than any other post-Soviet state. In fact, more powerful AND, in fact, more influential. But but on her already then frankly did not pay attention. Say, who are you, anyway? Who are you? This is what led to quite, so to speak, unexpected results.

Theory: Lithuania shares a border with Russia. We are much richer, stronger and bigger. It would seem that the conclusion suggests itself: Lithuania needs to seek compromises and negotiate with us. But no!

Realities: in Lithuania, the most Russophobic line of behavior was initially adopted. And now it is impossible to agree with them. For one simple reason: they sit and wait for Russia to come "to apologize." And pay compensation for the alleged "occupation." You can certainly laugh. But it is on this that their entire foreign and domestic policy is built today. For them, Russia is evil. And for some reason she should only “pay and repent”. It is in this vein that they are ready, perhaps, to communicate. And in no other. AND it really becomes a problem. That is, people there with nostalgia recall the era of the early Yeltsin. And it is precisely at that time that they are guided as something supposedly normal.

Roughly the same applies to the Baltics as a whole. And this is what makes communication with them almost completely impossible today. In other words, their very paradigm of political existence completely excludes a normal attitude towards Russia.

Strictly speaking, this logic led Georgia to disaster. The problem was this: they basically did not hear us. What we told them - the Georgians cut off as "white noise". Therefore, everything that happened later became a complete and absolute surprise for them. In short, shock and awe.

In other words, the proud inhabitants of Georgia were boiling in their own pot. We talked mainly with representatives of the West. They did not listen to Russia and Russians and did not want to hear. That is why Moscow's harsh military response was a complete shock to them. Here they woke up. And they began insistently demanding the return of the northern territories in exchange for a mythical readiness for dialogue. Don't you think it's a little late in the day? Diplomatic relations must be maintained constantly, and not from time to time. Especially with immediate neighbors. And even more so with a powerful and strong neighbor.

Thus, the official Tbilisi was simply obliged to constantly maintain a hotline with Moscow, just to avoid trouble. At the same time, you can have any system and a different ideology, but the first and main ambassador of Georgia should be its representative in Moscow, right?

We in Russia also like to interfere with politics with friendship, a common history and other emotions. This is mistake. But even purely technologically ignoring Russia's position was political suicide for Georgia. And then it got quite late. That is, now they really want to talk. A bit late. One had to think about the consequences before deciding on an attack on Tskhinval.

The most unpleasant thing is that the Georgians did not understand that to the moment the Russian peacekeepers were killed, there was one political situation. And immediately after that, a completely different era began. That is, prior to the start of the shelling, the attitude in Russia to this problem was absolutely "parallel". Nobody around Abkhazia-Yu. Didn't he take round dances in Ossetia? To some extent interested in the relationship between Georgia and NATO. All.

In other words, the issue of the territorial integrity of Georgia was in general we decide. And 8 August changed everything. Fundamentally. And irreversible. And if the Georgians were so interested in their territorial integrity, then ignoring Moscow's position was tantamount to suicide. Well, yes, in the end, their policy was just suicidal in nature.

Now everyone is telling us:

“If you want to have good relations with Georgia” ...

Do we want to have them? And why should Russia “pay” for good Russian-Georgian relations? Unclear.

And again Ukraine


Oddly enough, Ukraine was very actively trying to participate in that very conflict. And she took part. Agree, if there were any smart people in Kiev, then, looking at this whole Georgian epic, they would be forced to draw very disappointing conclusions:

“You cannot trust the West. He only uses the "limitrophe countries", but does not help them, does not protect or feed them. "

It would seem that the course and results of that "five-day war" would have to radically change Ukrainian foreign policy.

Well, put yourself in the shoes of the leaders of Ukraine. Look at the war in South Ossetia through their eyes. What do you see? The conclusions are simply tragic.

"Oh, to hell with him!"

This is how the people of Kiev should have responded, in theory. And not because of high moral principles and tender feelings for fraternal Russia. And from their purely selfish interests.

In other words, the Donetsk-Crimean epic could be predicted very advance. Ukraine borders on Russia, which certainly will not remain indifferent (a favorite formulation of British diplomacy during the empire). Any adequate politician or oligarch should have understood that “to present Moscow with a fact” is a suicidal policy. It's not gonna go.

But that's exactly what they did. And we, and they do not fully understand the depth of the changes that took place after the second Maidan in Russian-Ukrainian relations. Certain forces in Russia were initially interested in cooperation with Kiev, no matter what. For commercial and political reasons. And no reorientation to the West and growing Russophobia in Ukraine, it seems, could break their policy.

"And we will all be friends."

How it was!

True, Crimea, the shelling of Donbass and the demand for sanctions (for us) by the “brotherly Ukrainians” (from the United States) completely broke this rotten political scheme. Not immediately, but they broke it. Which, by the way, the author is insanely happy.

But for the Ukrainians in general, what happened was a disaster. But Russia's actions came as a complete surprise to them.

It would seem that a Russian-speaking country is also. But what's the point? Nobody listened to us there all these years. They already knew everything about Russia. And the opinion of the Russians was not interesting to them.

"Internal boiler" and "West orientation".

And that is why Russia's actions there were absolutely sudden and incomprehensible to them. As a result: terrible hysteria and terrible resentment.

You know, from personal and impersonal communication with representatives of this beautiful country one really gets the impression that they are not "catching up", that to the east of their borders was not a geopolitical "totalitarian fake", but a real state with specific interests and opportunities. And ignoring this was completely suicidal for Ukraine. But this is exactly what the local politicians were doing.

This is not to say that their policy was again obliged to be extremely honest and noble. And to the fact that now you don't have to bang your head against the wall. International politics is complex and ambiguous. There are no simple solutions.

And both official Tbilisi and official Kiev tried to follow the path of the simplest.

Degree of responsibility


You know what amazes?

Lack of understanding of the extent and measure of responsibility. When you live in an independent state, then, of course, it can independently enter the war. His cities can start bombing and shelling, well, etc. And the task of the government is not to participate in various disastrous adventures of foreign powers, but to ensure the safety of its own population. The most surprising thing is that even when the population itself categorically refuses to understand this.

The USSR was a superpower (after World War II) and had the strongest army on the planet. But they feared war there, even when it was at its peak (in the 1970s). And the population was afraid, and, which is typical, the leadership - right up to Brezhnev. Possessing incredible, simply monstrous resources for war. But they were afraid. Both the people and the authorities.

But in operetta countries such as Ukraine or Georgia, paradoxically, no one was afraid of war (and is not afraid). And nobody is afraid of anything. All right, just their leadership. Their elites, as usual, plan to flee to the West in case of serious hostilities. But what are the people counting on? Why is there such optimism?

Yes, pride in your country and determination to win is, of course, great. But, as a rule, even the inhabitants of the great powers were usually not very happy about the news of the war. Even with serious military potential, war is best avoided. Because there are consequences. Serious. That is why it is better to live in peace. And to find compromises with neighbors.

So what, I wonder, was thinking in Georgia, for example, when deciding to attack the peacekeepers? Why, in general, was this done? What for such risk? Absolutely unfounded. Or why would Ukraine send its air defense systems there? For what? Is the risk high, but the profit is not clear? If you refuse, then this is not cowardice - this is just sober state thinking.

And now, having started this war and lost it, the Georgians behave today as if nothing had happened at all. And now they demand to return everything back. It turns out that they did not even understand what they themselves had done, in terms of diplomacy? It seems that for them the foundations of diplomacy do not exist at all. And even diplomatic relations with Russia - and even more so. But even in Germany after the First World War, many Germans asked quite a reasonable question:

“Was it worth starting? Maybe you shouldn't have? "

The most unproductive thing is when people don't want to draw any conclusions. Or do they think they just lost a game of poker?

After all, Burjanadze confirmed that yes, Putin called her. And yes, he warned her ... It turns out that the approach of the Georgian side is truly childish:

"If you lose, it doesn't matter ... Bring the toy back!"

But people there went to war, being warned of all its consequences. But this knowledge for some reason did not stop them then.

Before its second Maidan Ukraine could already draw at least some slightest conclusions from the sad Georgian experience.

“Maidan, America, Crimea, Black Sea Fleet bases, Syria. Why do we need this? "

- any normal Ukrainian politician should have asked himself. And most importantly, they (having a common border of two thousand kilometers with the Russian Federation and carrying out the main trade with the Russian Federation) should have maintained at least a "direct line" with Moscow and, as a maximum, perfectly understand all the reciprocal moves of Russia. And think over the effect ahead of time.

In short, it was quite within the power of Ukrainian politicians to prevent the disintegration of their country and avoid a war on the eastern borders. It's just that no one there really bothered with this.

They remembered about Russia just at the moment when armored personnel carriers with marines began to take positions outside their places of permanent deployment. Here the Ukrainians (having sustained a theatrical pause) became very loudly indignant. And only later the question of Donbass was decided. But then they could draw at least some conclusions not only from the experience of Georgia, but also from Ukraine itself ...

It was necessary to take into account that Russia was nearby. And look for compromises. Understand the limits of the possible and not go beyond them. Well, when did they remember about Russia? When did the north wind blow? It was then that I remembered everything at once.

Good politics and bad


What is the difference?

Good politics is done to tragedy. But they are trying to mold bad politics after the fact, as they say, after the fight.

Ukraine did not have to fight after the fact for the return of the Crimea-Donbass. And she should initially pursue a policy that would exclude the loss of these territories. That is, it was necessary to proceed from purely state interests, and not from someone's whims, phobias and just desires.

Preserving territorial integrity is a serious state task. And it is about this (and not about something else) that Ukrainian politicians should have thought ahead of time. That should be their number one challenge. But its solution is unrealizable without building normal relations with Russia.

However, for some reason the idea prevailed there that tough and aggressive behavior would solve all issues. In general, it seems that no one wanted to not only take into account, but even listen to Russia's opinion and its political interests there. Politicians in both Tbilisi and Kiev turned out to be, in fact, useless. In 2007, in Bucharest, Ukraine and Georgia they promised something from NATO. And now has just come, it seems, is the very time when it is already possible to get acquainted, as they say, with the results.

And now, faced with territorial problems, they are very indignant there and demand that we restore their territorial integrity. Great, but we're not friends at all, are we? And why do we need to do this? Is this supposedly the basis for the resumption of the dialogue? Yah? Why, in the previous decades, was it somehow not very much advocated for this very negotiating process?

From a rational point of view, both countries should have decided a little earlier which is more important for them:

"Rapprochement with the West at any cost or territorial integrity and peace on their territory?"

Both Georgians and Ukrainians followed the path of trade in sovereignty.

The logic is as follows: even if Georgia restored its territorial integrity, would it be able to guarantee the absence of NATO bases on its territory? Quite the opposite! The same goes for Ukraine. So much for the elementary political alignment.

The logic that any country can independently decide whether to join NATO or not is inherently flawed. NATO is not a postal union. This is a military organization.

Therefore, such a step by any neighbor of Russia automatically raises questions of its security. And, therefore, she will react.

As you know, NATO is not intended to sit in trenches, but to promote an active military policy of interested parties. Anywhere in the world, if you like.

Therefore, the granting of territory for NATO bases by the countries of Eastern Europe is, in essence, their guarantee of a concrete base for an attack on Russia. Moreover, after joining NATO, any country, in reality, loses control over its foreign policy and sovereignty. That may have already truly tragic consequences for herself.

The illusion of universal values. Who Should Pay?


And here is the most curious thing: both Ukraine and Georgia have completely integrated into the Western system of values ​​and now play by someone else's rules, taking them almost for the laws of the universe. Of course, they are considering some ideas, thoughts and proposals from Moscow. But only through this stranger's magnifying glass. That is, as if for these countries the opinion of the collective West is not just correct now, but now, in general, it is the only correct one in the world. And all other opinions -

"Not according to the charter."

And here not just problems begin, but very big problems. Today, neither the government nor the population of these countries simply wants to think outside the framework of the very Western concept of world order. Therefore, communication with them becomes extremely difficult. Everything that Russia (or the Russians) says there is translated into money, into concepts, or they are simply discarded.

However, Russia is still a great and powerful country. She has its history, culture, national psychology. Which, in principle, is normal. It is not for nothing that businessmen are advised to learn not only (and not even so much) the language of the country with which they want to work, but also to try to delve into national psychology. Agree, in order to make money successfully, you need to at least roughly understand the people you work with. Otherwise, surprises are inevitable.

This is what strikes most of all in the closest neighbors (from Estonia to Georgia): their fundamental unwillingness to understand something about Russia and to spend time and effort studying it. But this leads to rather grave consequences: Russia's actions suddenly and categorically do not fit into the schemes that are drawn according to Western patterns.

The most surprising thing is that relatively recently they themselves were part of the USSR. And it seems that as a result of this, they should have certain bonuses in the understanding of Russia. But no matter how it is.

What was especially surprising in Ukrainians (and, moreover, in Belarusians): the need to explain the basic principles of the political and economic structure of Russia. That is, it was always necessary to start the discussion somehow from completely almost from scratch. Moreover, we always had to start with the refutation of some fried facts. In other words, discourse is always conducted almost from an area that is far beyond zero (that is, from a scale of negative values).

By the way, if people from far abroad still treat your words about your country with a certain confidence, then Ukrainians and Belarusians, as a rule, know everything about Russia themselves. AND even better the Russians themselves. That makes any meaningful communication in principle impossible.

Recently, Mr. Zelensky made me happy in this sense, giving a fresh idea that

"If Ukraine wants to go to Europe, then Russia goes to the USSR."

His phrase very well characterizes this particular confusion in the minds.

Russia in other people's manuals


For various reasons, in the new republics of the near abroad, the request for adequate information is somewhat underestimated. At the time, it was precisely this that struck: the complete disregard of information from the Russian media in Belarus and Ukraine. After all, they take the texture from Western methodical books. And the impression is that there is no such big country with Russian-language media next to them. But in the Russian media it is often tiresome excess attention to individual (sometimes very small) European countries.

The situation with the mass consciousness in Kiev / Minsk was even more indicative: in principle, it ignores the existence of Russia and some kind of internal Russian problems. And this is in the presence of millions of guest workers and serious economic dependence on Russia. What happened 30 years ago (USSR) was long ago. Russia today is far from the RSFSR-1989. Other country. The point is not which is better or worse, but that it is completely different. For Russians, this is less noticeable because they live here. For neighbors from the near abroad, this is also hardly noticeable, because they are simply not interested in this.

Therefore, both for Georgia and for Estonia there is an understanding of the situation in the coordinates "USSR - Western Europe". However, the USSR has been gone for three decades. And civilized Europe has changed somewhat. But the understanding in these neighboring countries has not changed: the USSR was wrong, and everything that happened later in Russia was also wrong. In general, everything is wrong with us. Not according to European standards.

therefore любые Russia's energetic actions in the foreign policy arena cause genuine bewilderment and complete rejection:

"Can you not do this?"

That is, people there do not just disagree with us. They fundamentally do not understand what kind of policy Russia still dares to pursue?

Why is Russia with great irony regarding any talk about some of their sovereignty? Because all their sovereignty boils down to the fact that American curators set the rhythm, and various journalists and political scientists from the so-called independent countries dance diligently, trying their best to get into this very rhythm. Is this their vaunted sovereignty?

You see, it is difficult to explain this to those people for whom all the wisdom of the centuries is contained in muddy manuals published with the money of non-governmental Western organizations. For both Belarusians and Ukrainians (and not only, but these two republics are Russian-speaking), the entire political discussion usually begins with this very manual. And she, apparently, ends with it. The universe outside the framework of these guidelines simply does not exist for them.

Thus, all our arguments, if they are absent in these guidelines, then they do not exist at all. Something like that.

Therefore, as a rule, there is no communication at all. It is, as it were, impossible in principle under such conditions.

And Russia, oddly enough, continues to act. And that leads to funny collisions. A collision (especially in English) is like a collision. That is, our neighbors (it looks especially funny in Minsk and Kiev) are trying to understand Russia's actions, proceeding not from the Russian political agenda, but from invaluable methodologies. So nothing happens.

Does this mean that Russia is behaving somehow wrongly?

No, gentlemen. This is something wrong there - in your guidelines from the West.

The uselessness of the press


The complete lack of demand for Russian political publications, both in Minsk and Kiev, is striking. And this problem did not arise yesterday, but many years ago. In the era of the Internet, you can easily and practically free of charge and literally on the train get acquainted (with knowledge of the language) with the political position of the leading world powers in half an hour. No secrets, no surprises.

But in some magical way, both Ukrainians and Belarusians fully have ignored Russian political debate over the past couple of decades. Which was conducted very violently. And in Russian. Moreover (an important difference) for Russia is much more direct and less characteristic of duality. In other words, many things in Russian were stated in absolutely direct text. And they were very heatedly discussed. Over the past two decades, Russia has been much stronger and more significant in world politics than Poland, Turkey or Germany.

As the 2010s showed, it turned out to be even more significant than even China with its enormous economy. And at the same time, it bordered on the very republics of the post-Soviet space. Then you can't ignore her?

It turns out that its foreign policy is an objective reality. She is. But, to my horror, even in Belarus there is a complete lack of understanding (and unwillingness to understand). And even before the second Maidan (at the end of the XNUMXs), the same situation took place in Ukraine. Studying the internal Ukrainian political discussion, it was possible, perhaps, to come to such a strange conclusion that there is no Russia on the map at all. And no print / internet editions exist there.

In other words, there was not even a rejection of the ideas presented in Russian editions, but their complete disregard. And ideas, and publications, and Russia itself. After Maidan-2, this cost the new government quite dearly.

The same is the case in Belarus. Surprisingly, there is a very persistent information barrier that prevents the penetration of information from the Russian east. Sometimes it is terribly amusing when, when talking about Russia, Belarusians, first of all, refer to their press. Russian - does not exist for them. And as a result, people just don't understand why?

Thus, we must realize that our dear neighbors today do not see Russia with its real possibilities, problems and goals, but a kind of geopolitical construct created according to foreign plans.

And they don't just don't understand us. They no longer want to understand anything. And they can't.

This is something like this: if a person at school did not study, for example, mathematics, then at the university it will be absolutely impossible for him to understand even the simplest lecture on this subject.

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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 29 December 2020 10: 08
    +11
    Thus, we must realize that our dear neighbors today do not see Russia with its real possibilities, problems and goals, but a kind of geopolitical construct created according to foreign plans.

    It is necessary to work with states, and even more so with post-Soviet ones. And who did such work? 30 years a finger on a finger .. here are the results ..
    Just like that .. for the fact that there would be no one to respect, "make friends", love .. will not. This is serious work. The results of labor should be mutually beneficial and not only for the top, but also directly affect the population of the countries .. Then everything will come and respect and "friendship". And since everything is left to chance ... our place was taken by "partners" who planted their ideology (including us), bought the "elite" and instilled Russophobia ..
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 29 December 2020 10: 58
      +18
      Quote: Svarog
      And who did such work? 30 years a finger on a finger .. here are the results ..

      Quote: Svarog
      30 years old finger on a finger ..

      If you follow your logic, the Union did not work with the states of the social bloc and the Internal Affairs Directorate for almost half a century after the war - they all fled literally in a couple of years. And they also quickly forgot about "respect and friendship." AND
      Quote: Svarog
      our place was taken by "partners"
      And neither mutually beneficial cooperation, nor elite-party members helped, nothing helped.
      Real politics is a little more complicated than beautiful phrases ...
      1. Piligrim
        Piligrim 30 December 2020 22: 25
        +1
        If you follow your logic, the Union did not work with the states of the social bloc and the Internal Affairs Directorate for almost half a century after the war - they all fled literally in a couple of years. And they also quickly forgot about "respect and friendship."

        And neither mutually beneficial cooperation, nor elite-party members helped, nothing helped.

        Gorbachev betrayed everyone and threw them at the feet of the West.
        Not a correct comparison, from the word at all.
      2. Natang
        Natang 2 January 2021 17: 34
        0
        Real politics ... is based on human greed.
        It is expressed in the fact that I will have from this and who will contribute how much to the ruling sect "party".
        Saying the West is right or wrong or partners ..., we blur the notion that the system of leberasto-shit-cracked capital is driving all this disgrace, and that every word and action has a name.
        As an example,. D. Biden came and sat down in the chair of the chairman of the territory of Ukraine and the corrupt leader of the junta Poroshenko saluted ...
    2. Revival
      Revival 29 December 2020 11: 02
      -4
      What you are talking about is too difficult, apparently inaccessible to many, the author openly proposes a simple paradigm of relations: what international law, will you behave badly, we will "bomb" you, remember that, that's all ..
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 December 2020 11: 13
        +3
        Quote: Revival
        What you are talking about is too difficult, apparently inaccessible to many, the author openly proposes a simple paradigm of relations: what international law, will you behave badly, we will "bomb" you, remember that, that's all ..

        Well, in response, we should expect the same attitude and we .. no wonder .. what you sow, then you reap.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 29 December 2020 11: 39
          +13
          The author, whether seriously, or on purpose, does so-like, he expresses a lack of understanding, for example, why Georgia attacked the peacekeepers, without even thinking about the "serious consequences" of such a "step." And here the answer is simple - absolutely "toothless" foreign policy of Russia, its emphasis on eternal "regrets", "statements by Zakharova in the blog", and other, meaningless to anyone, verbal outpourings, instead of retaliatory actions to various insults, frank, unfriendly actions, or even just an ordinary robbery and imposition of one's will with complete disregard for Russia's interests, and even aggravated by licking Western politicians in terms of "eternal pipelines", "buying treasuries", "storing gold reserves in" convenient banks and funds " "west", and so on - all this led to the fact that they began to look at Russia as a "rag" about which anyone, not fearing the consequences, can wipe their feet, but it will forever lie underfoot and express only "regret ".....
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 30 December 2020 04: 26
            -6
            How dashingly you build analogies ... Russia is a rag. You would be more careful or something, otherwise you can make money in the face.
          2. your1970
            your1970 30 December 2020 23: 04
            0
            three(!!!) answer to the question
            1)
            Quote: Snail N9
            And here the answer is simple - absolutely "toothless" foreign policy of Russia, its emphasis on eternal "regrets", "statements by Zakharova in the blog," and other, meaningless to anyone, verbal outpourings, instead of retaliation to various insults,

            2)
            Quote: Revival
            a simple paradigm of relations: what international law, if you behave badly, we will "bomb" you, remember this, everyone ..

            3)
            Quote: Svarog
            Well, in response, we should expect the same attitude and we .. no wonder .. what you sow, then you reap.


            what request
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 29 December 2020 13: 01
          +26
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Revival
          What you are talking about is too difficult, apparently inaccessible to many, the author openly proposes a simple paradigm of relations: what international law, will you behave badly, we will "bomb" you, remember that, that's all ..

          Well, in response, we should expect the same attitude and we .. no wonder .. what you sow, then you reap.

          And I agree with the author. Actually, why should we groom and cherish them? They are all so independent and forget, for the most part, that without Russia they are nobody and they call nobody. Looking for support? Let them first deserve it. It was, and has already passed, when all this (forgive me) was lifted from the primitive state, largely at the expense of ourselves, and now this bunch of misunderstandings dares to yell at Russia ?! Yes, I have great-power chauvinism, according to Lenin, but there can be no other way. It's better to have an obvious enemy than a vile friend, you won't get a knife in your back.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 29 December 2020 15: 23
            -10%
            Quote: lis-ik
            Better to have an obvious enemy than a vile friend, you won't get a knife in your back.

            Sergei .. and inside, with this approach, the republics will begin to make claims and then ..
            Let them first deserve it.

            Serve here either to us .. or rather "to be friends", or they will serve the enemies.
          2. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 29 December 2020 18: 12
            -1
            This series of articles (there are four of them) by Oleg about Russia and the limitrophes left a strange impression. what

            In the first two (the first - in July 2018, and the second - recently, on November 23) he described everything absolutely accurately, correctly placed the accents and made the right conclusions: the power in the limitrophes, with the help of the West and the United States, was seized by compradors, who, using local nationalists, are pursuing a Russophobic policy. constantly oppose Russia, simultaneously deceiving and bullying the Russophile majority of their countries. yes

            In the last two articles Oleg (as if on someone's command, on someone's order, or as if turning over his head) falsely claims completely other: all "the population of these countries" is a single Russophobic and, like the limitrophes themselves (and the Russian limitrophes are all the former republics of the USSR), it is hostile, alien and does not need Russia! what what what

            Excuse me, but from the statement that the entire population of all countries former USSR united and Russophobic smacks of schizophrenia! On the contrary, in all countries of the world (even in the most totalitarian ones) there is a wide range of people's opinions. It also exists in Belarus (although the Zmagars claim that all Belarus is united against Lukashenko), he also exists in Ukraine (although the authorities, the Bandera supporters claim that Ukraine is united, Russophobic and all against Russia, many of them constantly complain about the huge number of shovels and quilted jackets in Ukraine, hostile to Ukrainians and pro-Russian). Maybe Oleg took the assertion of the Russophobic unity of the population of Belarus and Ukraine from the Zmagars and Bandera? what

            And the statement about the uselessness of the Russian limitrophes? It is always covered up with false concern for Russia and the Russians, about saving money, but, in fact, it confirms that it is consent to the West's demand for Russia: leave behind the former republics, leave them, we ourselves will help laughing they become truly independent laughing ! Maybe, in fact, obey the good Western uncles and give them without a fight, abundantly watered with Russian blood and bought for money, Turkestan, the Caucasus, Bessarabia, Little Russia (from the beginning of the 20th century, Ukraine at the request of Austria-Hungary), White-Russia, Courland , Livonia, Estonia and Ostsee provinces? After all, they once surrendered Poland and Finland! Why Oleg and all the isolationists (a large group of late) support the West in its claims to a legitimate Russian space? what

            A real Russian patriot cannot but be an imperial and fight for the expansion and deepening of Russia!
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 18: 35
              -3
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              After all, they once surrendered Poland and Finland!

              In fact, they have long wanted to leave on their own and have always been in a special position. And quite naturally they separated after the revolution.
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              A real Russian patriot cannot but be an imperial and fight for the expansion and deepening of Russia!

              You are talking about schizophrenia. But schizophrenia emanates from such statements. In the 21st century, being an imperial is something really insane with such a rich historical experience of destroyed empires behind him.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 31 December 2020 18: 44
                +2
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                In the 21st century, being an imperial is something really insane with such a rich historical experience of destroyed empires behind him.

                Don't like the word "imperial"? I agree, I in a hurry picked up a not quite accurate word. Okay, let's call it something else. Which is better? A statesman? Sovereign?
                Let it be:
                The real Russian patriot of Great Russia - the Great Russian - cannot but be a sovereign and fight for the development, expansion and strengthening of Russia!

                That's better? Or do you not like the word, but the meaning?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 31 December 2020 18: 56
                  -2
                  Do you understand the state is not an end in itself. This is a tool with which you solve some problems. I am not a statesman in the sense that communism is, as a result, the withering away of the state. While the state helps to solve some problems, at a certain stage of development, it is useful. Well, then we can easily do without him. In general, all this division into separate states takes away from humanity colossal resources that could be directed to solving many vital problems.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 31 December 2020 19: 51
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                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Do you understand the state is not an end in itself.

                    I большие doubts that you are Russian, Russian. I’m not talking about states, authorities and politicians ... But you don’t understand everything! Or "don't you understand"?
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 31 December 2020 20: 37
                      0
                      Then what does the word - statesman mean?
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 31 December 2020 23: 27
                        0
                        I do not mean the state of a particular system, not the system itself. And what kind of thread the state in Russia has always been, is and will be! yes smile
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 1 January 2021 01: 24
                        -2
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        I do not mean the state of a particular system, not the system itself.

                        That is, you yourself do not know what you want.
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And what a thread of the state in Russia has always been, is and will be!

                        The state was not always, while it is, and then it will not be. That's more correct.
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 1 January 2021 17: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The state was not always, while it is, and then it will not be. That's more correct.

                        Yes, you are a globalist.
                        And an anarchist - in one bottle.
                        And how can it happen that there are about two hundred states on the planet, and at one moment "Then" they will not be.
                        What is it like ?
                        Will one of them conquer the others and build a planetary empire?
                        Or will all the people of the Earth abolish their nation-states in "one impulse" and arrange a Planetary Anarchy - the mother of order? lol
                        No, you can, of course, dream like Campanella. Sometimes it is even useful (like gymnastics of the mind), but this will have absolutely nothing to do with reality.
                        Or do you think that good / evil aliens will arrive and with their external will establish such happiness for you - Heaven / Hell on Earth?
                        And, by the way, the creation of large empires and alliances is just the way to that - the planetary "brotherhood" of which you "dream". yes
                        So aren't you contradicting yourself?
                      4. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 1 January 2021 23: 26
                        0
                        Quote: bayard
                        Yes, you are a globalist.
                        And an anarchist - in one bottle.

                        No, I'm a communist.
                        Quote: bayard
                        What is it like ?
                        Will one of them conquer the others and build a planetary empire?

                        Of course no. If we recall the history of the emergence of the state and understand the reasons for which it arose, then it becomes clear that sooner or later it will disappear.
                      5. bayard
                        bayard 2 January 2021 08: 11
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        No, I'm a communist.

                        Communist?
                        This is what it means - a Trotskyist, a globalist and ... an anarchist, for anarchy is the path and the reason (through the wild chaos of anarchy, irresponsibility and impunity) to establish a single planetary (in their ideal) dictatorship. That is to say - to globalism.
                        Stalin fought with such.
                        Remember the film "Chapaev", where the peasant tortures the divisional commander with the question: "You are for the Bolsheviks, or for the Communists." The peasants with a sober, clear look saw the difference yes .
                        Stalin was a Bolshevik.
                        And Lenin was the same.
                        And their party was called - VKPb.
                        And this little "b" gave a VERY clear orientation:
                        - World Revolution and Russia - an armful of brushwood in its fire (Trotsky),
                        - and "Building Socialism in a single country, land for peasants, factories for workers, women for men, and men for women, protection of labor and motherhood, traditional family and the prohibition of the exploitation of man by man.
                        And the expansion of this successful ideology and practice to other countries and peoples, the victory over the bourgeois-capitalist world of parasites in the peaceful competition of economies, or in a war, if they decide to do so ...

                        So you are a globalist \ Trotskyist \ ... a communist (according to Marx \ Trotsky \ Sverdlov), and the granddaughter of this apologist for "World Revolution" (Trotsky) is one of the personifications of globalism today.
                        bully
                        And under Comrade Stalin, they were called simply and succinctly - enemies of the People.
                        Which was certainly true.
                      6. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 2 January 2021 11: 53
                        -2
                        Let's sort it out a little later and talk? So far, you do not have an understanding of the question from the word - at all.
                      7. bayard
                        bayard 2 January 2021 13: 22
                        +1
                        Makar, the term "enemy of the people" does not apply to you personally, of course, it is for the founders and apologists of the World Revolution through a permanent revolution.
                        And regarding the "understanding of the issue", so my essays on this topic, back in the distant cadet years, went to republican and all-Union competitions request , I was a favorite student at the department of Marxism-Leninism, I sat on the presidium of the VNO.
                        And at the department of intelligence training was also the best. So I understand these questions a little. And I know the subject.
                      8. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 2 January 2021 18: 25
                        0
                        This is not an argument. To know a theory is one thing, to understand another. And you either pretend or you don't understand. And it is quite likely both.
                      9. bayard
                        bayard 2 January 2021 22: 43
                        +1
                        And what do I not understand?
                        That the state should wither away?
                        This is possible only with the death of the entire civilization. Any stable society requires a system of management and goal-setting, control of law and order, education of future generations and care for those in need (there will always be such).
                        Self-regulating and self-determining communities are good, but only as long as such communities do not interact and the first conflicts appear. After all, everyone has a nickname, their own understanding of truth and justice, right and inadmissibility.
                        Therefore, we need a kind of universal instrument for regulating and regulating the interaction of members of society.
                        Or isn’t it?
                        And is anarchy still the "mother of order"?
                        But order after anarchy is a totalitarian dictatorship in its wildest form.
                        It's another matter if a population of the same type and one-cultured population lives on the whole planet, with common moral and ethical preferences and devoid of mentally unstable citizens ... Then, with a single consensus on the rules and norms of life, life is possible without ... forceful instruments of power, armies of officials ... without armies (for the Army is the State, and the State is the army), if the very possibility of the appearance of an external enemy is excluded ... if all crazy and moral, "liars and sorcerers" are excluded from society (this is already from the "Avesta" ) ... Do you think that this is possible on our planet? smile
                        And all these different and unlike people will peacefully coexist?
                        Negroes won't rob?
                        Arabs will not kill and rape (as now in Europe)?
                        The Chinese will not expand?
                        Jews and Armenians will not cheat and engage in usury?
                        ... Do you really believe in THAT?

                        Something similar happened once upon a time - in the north of the planet lived white people, beautiful and wise, kind and fair, talented and courageous ... but they were separated from other peoples by a great wall, beyond which it was impossible for foreigners Dravidians to go ...
                        And in the North there was "Nirvana" - the land of bliss.
                        And in the South - Hell.
                        The Dravids simply could not do otherwise.

                        But now this is definitely not possible.

                        And how many people, in your opinion, need to be destroyed to make this possible?
                        And isn't this (at least in percentage terms of those sentenced to the destruction of the inhabitants of the Earth) what such heralds of the "New World Order" as Bill Gates, the Clintons and other "good people" want?

                        Have you ever wondered about the scale and consequences of your reasoning?

                        We must be afraid of our desires, they have the imprudence to come true.
                        hi
                      10. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 4 January 2021 18: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: bayard
                        This is possible only with the death of the entire civilization.

                        Why? Just because you can't imagine it? People lived somehow before the emergence of the state. Why can't we be on a new stage of development now?
                        Quote: bayard
                        And how many people, in your opinion, need to be destroyed to make this possible?

                        That is, the end of the story? Your last name is not Fukuyama for an hour
                        Quote: bayard
                        Something similar happened once upon a time - in the north of the planet lived white people, beautiful and wise, kind and fair, talented and courageous

                        But why was it? We are sort of discussing reality, not fairy tales.
                      11. bayard
                        bayard 4 January 2021 19: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        People lived somehow before the emergence of the state. Why can't we be on a new stage of development now?

                        And when did they live like this?
                        And where ?
                        In caves and skins?
                        So they did not live, but survived. smile
                        They were survivors after another global cataclysm.
                        There were very few people, they were scattered on different ends of the planet, but for a small number of survivors, what kind of state can there be?
                        Only a community, where power and order are determined by the authority of the leader and the consensus of the community. request
                        But as soon as the number grew a little, there was a division of labor, cities and trade exchanges ... without a state there was already nowhere. yes
                        And they appeared.
                        Laws, armies (to protect their territory and maintain internal order), money (for the convenience of trade), diplomacy (to establish relationships with neighboring cities / communities / states) appeared ... and LEADERS appeared - the most talented and authoritative in society.
                        At first on an elective basis, but gradually, since it was necessary to prepare a replacement for them, and only the leaders themselves can best prepare leaders ... power became hereditary and acquired a caste character.
                        Do you agree?
                        After all, it was so in our history, regardless of which continent or island it happened.
                        This is the power of things and the dialectic of the development of society.
                        This is how ... feudalism appeared, and even its extreme forms in the form of an enslaved or enslaved population (we skip the slave system - this is an early form of feudalism). smile
                        And so it was until the development of societies passed to expanded production, including machine production ... new markets were needed, because the domestic ones could no longer accommodate the domestic product.
                        And bourgeois revolutions and symbiosis of feudalism with the bourgeoisie (limited / constitutional monarchies) began to take place.
                        And capital needs expansion to new markets, access to new sources of raw materials ... and colonial conquests of less developed countries and territories began.
                        And when the whole world was already divided between these "developed" ones, for further growth the most ambitious ones already required the resources of their "colleagues" in "development" ... and wars for colonies began between the "developed" ones themselves ...
                        As a result, several large colonial states remained, which created their empires.
                        And the wars continued.
                        The last - the most powerful of them was the global world war in two stages (WWI and WWII).
                        But when, already in the middle of the 19th century, it became clear that capitalism could not develop without crises, wars and the continuous expansion of its markets ... the owners of this mortal world thought about the future structure, for the planet ... is over.
                        There was nowhere to expand.
                        And the best minds of philosophers were puzzled (by the owners) about writing some kind of plan for further development in conditions of limited resources.
                        And such works appeared.
                        The most successful was the son of a rabbi named Marx. Having generalized the works of his predecessors, he created the theory of capitalism, describing all its laws and phases of development, and pointing out that "the highest form of development of capitalism is imperialism," in order to avoid crises of overproduction and social upheavals, society should be rebuilt into a kind of stricter, scientifically grounded system with planned economic development and more efficient allocation of resources.
                        It is physically IMPOSSIBLE to outsource such planning and distribution to private capital, because their competition will tear the system apart ... Therefore, the state should take care of this.
                        And for greater efficiency of such management, it is more expedient to transfer the main production assets ... to the state. repeat
                        That is, as the society develops, the role of the STATE is steadily increasing.
                        This system of government was called ... SOCIALISM.
                        Taking the name from the "ancient Greek science fiction philosophers).
                        That is, the theory of this type of state appeared much earlier than the very first state of this type.
                        And this theory was scientifically substantiated, calculated and matured in scientific disputes before someone tried to build something like this for the first time.
                        And they built it.
                        And it turned out to be much more effective than the purely capitalist model.
                        But about ... what will happen next ... pure fantasies, manilovism and utopian delirium began.
                        With Marx.
                        Have you, Makar, read Marx?
                        "Capital"?
                        His last part (preferably both last)?
                        So, Comrade Stalin understood that there was nothing to look for in Marx - he did not have the practice of observing even a socialist society, what kind of forecasts and theories are there ...
                        But Stalin, in his last works, took up this topic.
                        Although he did not manage to finish them, he did a lot - about the forms of transition, about the improvement and development of socialism ... about the form of organization of labor, education, self-development of citizens ...
                        According to Stalin, the main capital of the State is PEOPLE. And the goal of the State is to maximize human potential, provide opportunities for its implementation, and provide everything necessary for this.

                        Read Stalin, and you will be allowed.

                        And the impression is that you have read the manuals of Trotsky's great-granddaughter - Nancy Pelosi.
                        hi
          3. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 2 January 2021 12: 41
            -1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            If we recall the history of the emergence of the state and understand the reasons for which it arose, then it becomes clear that sooner or later it will disappear.

            Makar is a communist! Yes, Marxism claims that under communism the state will wither away by itself. This is theory... Only communism is very, very, very far away. So, what kind of thread is the state in Russia very will be long! AND real russian state patriot just must act to strengthen the existing state and Russia (criticizing the shortcomings and fighting to eliminate them, and not just balabol)! And alternative "patriots" - dreamers of unknown state can, of course, continue to dream both of the past and of a wonderful future. Only they not patriots Russia. More precisely, they are false patriots.
          4. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 January 2021 18: 35
            -1
            The state, where is the ruling class of the bourgeoisie, which consistently takes away from the proletariat everything that Soviet power has given? And not only among the proletariat. Since the main power is in the hands of the oligarchs, they are quite ripping off small and medium-sized businesses. And now they generally eat it. Because the crisis and the bolívar cannot bear two. Is it necessary to strengthen this state? To rob the common people even more? You are essentially demanding friendship between the robber and the robbed. And I'm not saying that the patriot of the Russian Federation. I'm not a propagandist from the first channel. And not a person who considers himself a patriot and cannot clearly explain what is patriotism in his understanding.
          5. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 2 January 2021 18: 53
            -1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            A state where the ruling class is the bourgeoisie

            Can you, are you able to replace it? No. Not right now, not in the near future. Therefore, stop whining about the past and dreaming of a distant bright future, start living today's with the concerns of YOUR country, to do at least something to make it better and bring the onset of a bright future closer! By the way, the State Council adopted a program before the New Year, which contains the words "ensuring high social responsibility towards the population."
          6. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 2 January 2021 19: 41
            -2
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Therefore, stop whining about the past and dream of a distant bright future, start living with today's worries of YOUR country

            Your country? Is it correct? Judging by the fact that in the Russian Federation is going on anyone's country, but definitely not mine. She is Deripaska, Usmanov, Alikperov, Vekselberg, but the rest of the people here are something like serfs. What does whining have to do with it? In addition to your whining that everyone needs to be patriots in a country with a gigantic social stratification, which is undoubtedly stupid, by the way I don't see whining.
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            do at least something to make it better and bring the onset of a brighter future closer!

            OK. Are you ready to ride the next presidential and state Duma elections? Arrange protest actions. Because otherwise it is impossible to change the situation. Do you agree?
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            By the way, the State Council adopted a program before the New Year, which contains the words "ensuring high social responsibility before the population."

            One more May decrees. For the first time you don't have time to swing and you need a jerk? Aren't you funny yourself?
          7. EvilLion
            EvilLion 11 January 2021 09: 49
            +1
            Well, get out of Russia, if you don't like it here, go to the right country. And listening to how the snickering population with new smartphones, who does not know where to stick a car near the house, because all around the same cars other "serfs" are jammed, is already enough.
          8. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 12 January 2021 22: 10
            0
            You only confirm with your screams that I'm right. For which only you kremlebotam pay. I would have already kicked out such lazy mediocrity as you kicked out into the cold.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 January 2021 09: 47
      0
      When will you "communists" divannye already cease to carry your nonsense on any unrelated occasion?
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 12 January 2021 22: 12
      0
      And more specifically, a corrupt kremlebotic? Or barked into the bushes?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 29 December 2020 22: 38
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

    A real Russian patriot cannot but be an imperial and fight for the expansion and deepening of Russia!

    Certainly! I agree with you.
    1. your1970
      your1970 30 December 2020 23: 12
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

      A real Russian patriot cannot but be an imperial and fight for the expansion and deepening of Russia!

      Certainly! I agree with you.
      -And what kind of empire survived in the 20th century? Bits of brit? German? RI? USSR?
      In fact, everything fell apart.
      China is a relative empire, the USA is a superpower, but not an empire at all (does not have a single ideology)
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 31 December 2020 14: 42
        +2
        Quote: your1970
        -and which empire survived in the 20th century?

        USA. It is an empire with its own ideology.
        1. your1970
          your1970 31 December 2020 14: 50
          -2
          And what is the SINGLE ideology there? Oneness? There is no such, yesterday whites, today blacks are exceptional ..
          Enrich yourself? Then she and we have this, yeah ...
          There is no ideology there, no
          1. bayard
            bayard 1 January 2021 17: 22
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            Quote: your1970
            And what is the SINGLE ideology there?

            The USA is the metropolis for the rest of the world, global planetary domination and parasitism on this.
            This is their true, not declared ideology.
            However, they talk about this almost openly - not hiding.
            1. your1970
              your1970 1 January 2021 23: 11
              0
              Quote: bayard
              This is their true, not declared ideology

              Ideology NOT maybe NOT declared, and if the ideology is hidden from the population, then it is anything but ideology ...
            2. bayard
              bayard 2 January 2021 07: 48
              0
              The ideology of "city on a hill" and the only pole of power have been declared by them for a long time and openly.
              There is an internal ideology - for internal American bonds and motivation, and there is an external broadcast and external expansion. They have different tasks, so the content is excellent.
            3. your1970
              your1970 2 January 2021 11: 37
              -1
              Quote: bayard
              They have different tasks, so the content is excellent.

              Then - sorry - but this is not an ideology ...
              Ideology to put a single purpose and objective.
              The Third Reich had its own ideology, Italy had its own, Great Britain had its own, the USSR had its own ... these were openly formulated single tasks and goals ...
              If we proceed from your send- then in Russia now Yes ideology - "Russia will save the whole world !!!"
              for internal use of your message - "from the USA !!!!"
            4. bayard
              bayard 2 January 2021 11: 53
              +1
              The American Dream is for domestic consumption, for the middle class.
              "City on a hill" and "master of the world" for external expansion.
              Quote: your1970
              Russia now has an ideology - "Russia will save the whole world !!!"

              Are you raving
              "Savior, save yourself."
              Save retirees and people of pre-retirement age who will not live up to 65 years.
              From depression, continuous economic downturn and falling welfare of citizens.
              From the revelry of officials, who in Russia alone are 2,5 times more than in the USSR.
              Cure sick children at public expense - do not disgrace the fees for their treatment abroad.
              Whom to save with such indicators and the approach to their own citizens?
              Armenians?
              Syrians?
              Blacks in the CAR?
              Sudan - building a naval base there for a fleet that does not exist?
              Why not start saving your own old people and sick children?
              Can't save the Russian people in the near abroad - post-Soviet?
              Not to cut the sturgeon to bureaucratic tyranny and their unrestrained consumption at the expense of taxpayers?
              Not to stop the rampant embezzlement?
              When there are millions of dollars for free breakfasts for Cuban schoolchildren, but there is no money to treat sick children ... who are you going to save.
              And who in us recognizes a leader and a moral guideline when the attitude towards our own citizens is like this?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 31 December 2020 20: 38
    -1
    These are sometimes leftists that are very right. laughing
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 January 2021 09: 46
    +1
    The expansion and deepening of Russia presupposes either the exploitation of the annexed territories, or the transformation of their population into Russian. Otherwise, it really isn't clear why someone should be attached. To feed at your own expense? That's what pets are for.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 29 December 2020 13: 37
    +3
    the author openly proposes a simple paradigm of relations: what international law, will you misbehave, we will "bomb" you, remember this, that's all ..
    Well, now foreign policy is gradually slipping into these methods, welcome to post-capitalism ...
  • Piligrim
    Piligrim 30 December 2020 22: 28
    +1
    What you are talking about is too difficult, apparently inaccessible to many, the author openly proposes a simple paradigm of relations: what international law, will you behave badly, we will "bomb" you, remember that, that's all ..

    What are you talking about? The author writes about something completely different. What international law? Where did you come to this planet from? Hiroshima and Nagasaki are international law for you + the bombing of Belgrade, well, right from the right, international from international.
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 29 December 2020 11: 37
    +7
    In general, friendship between people implies a certain interdependence and the need to sometimes compromise one's own interests for the sake of a friend. This is impossible between states. There can only be a partnership, and a mutually beneficial one. The profit ended - the partnership ended. An example from the latter is the Second World War: the USSR, the USA and Great Britain were allies (partners), since there was a common danger, the danger ended - partnership too. And if we turn to the distant history, then the partners of Russia-Russia, with whom our ancestors were either friends or fought, were the Varangians, the Polovtsians (the Kiev princes married the Polovtsian princesses), the Horde (Batu Khan called Alexander Nevsky son), and later Germany, France, England ... If the interests of the same Georgia diverged from those of Russia, or rather Georgia decided that the United States offered more than Russia, then what should Russia do? To compete with the United States, who will give Georgia more money? (and other similar countries). And in general, Russia asking for friendship (partnership) with someone is not respecting itself.
    1. nerovnayadoroga
      nerovnayadoroga 29 December 2020 21: 24
      +3
      In my opinion, all this is buried in the economy, turn the government of the Russian Federation to face its citizens, and not ... let the people of the workers believe in a decent life, work, pay for this work and people's opinions, there, over the hill, will change about our country , and when it can be spread rot and openly robbed by bureaucrats and bandits with b .. us of different stripes, openly and without hiding, where neither the Criminal Code nor the Constitutional Court works, where the laws are bent for themselves in order to rob even more and with even more impunity! Whom to respect!? Whom are they afraid of !! ?? Who are you negotiating with !!!!!! ????
      1. your1970
        your1970 30 December 2020 23: 20
        +2
        Quote: nerovnayadoroga
        give the people workers faith in a decent life, work, pay for this work and the opinions of people, there,over the hill, will change about our country
        -from what suddenly ??? you forgot the USSR ??? people had a job (everyone !!), a decent salary, confidence in the future, there were no bureaucrats / bandits ..
        I hope you won't deny it?
        But at the same time, the USSR was under sanctions - just like the Russian Federation ?? about which in the same way - as now about the Russian Federation, they showed nasty things in the news and movies ?? exactly the same as now-did not particularly respect the agreements signed with the USSR ??
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 11 January 2021 10: 17
        +1
        Apparently a decent life presupposes a personal palace and a helicopter for everyone. Yards filled with new cars are not considered a sign of a decent life.
    2. Piligrim
      Piligrim 30 December 2020 22: 38
      +1
      In general, friendship between people implies a certain interdependence and the need to sometimes compromise one's own interests for the sake of a friend.
      Truly so.
      This is impossible between states. There can only be a partnership, and a mutually beneficial one. The profit ended - the partnership ended.

      Bullshit. The state is a machine (apparatus) of violence. Do you understand the machine, i.e. the subject is not animate. But concrete characters bring them into action and interaction. Therefore, it is necessary to analyze the actions of specific individuals, and not a soulless apparatus. Friendship is a very high feeling, it is very rare among ordinary people, and you want it to be between people interacting because of their (maybe corporate) selfish interests. This has never happened, not under the USSR, and even more so now. After all, it is necessary to somehow separate propaganda from reality.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 29 December 2020 14: 37
    0
    The author, in my opinion, makes the main mistake of equalizing the desires of the leaders of countries with their people. Few of the post-Soviet residents, the limitrophe countries, wanted a confrontation with Russia. Yes, politicians have done their job and some of the inhabitants of these countries hates both the Russian Federation and the Russians.
    Indeed, it was necessary to work with these countries, and now there are y, e and berries.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 29 December 2020 15: 43
    +3
    And since everything is left to chance ... our place was taken by "partners" who planted their ideology (including us), bought the "elite" and instilled Russophobia ..


    I took the book, rising from my sleep,
    And I read in it:
    “There were worse times,
    But it was not mean! "

    I threw the book away.
    Are you and me
    Sons of such a century,
    O friend - my reader? ..
  • zenion
    zenion 29 December 2020 22: 05
    +3
    Svarog. They are not listening to Russia, and the echo of the USSR is also heard, what is still holding Russia in a protective fence. The weapon that the Soviet people made. Without him, only the Moscow principality, or perhaps some other principality, would remain. If it were not for the USSR, then these chewing gum would not rock the boat, Stalin defended part of the country, but could not protect the people.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 29 December 2020 22: 40
      0
      Quote: zenion
      They are not listening to Russia, and the echo of the USSR is also heard, what is still holding Russia in a protective fence

      And there is hi
  • Alex777
    Alex777 30 December 2020 11: 43
    +1
    It is necessary to work with states, and even more so with post-Soviet ones. And who did such work? 30 years a finger on a finger .. here are the results ..

    You have worked at the Foreign Ministry for these 30 years, what do you make such conclusions?
    Or did you just want to chat with your tongue?
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 31 December 2020 14: 40
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Just like that .. for the fact that there would be no one to respect, "make friends", love .. will not. This is serious work. The results of labor should be mutually beneficial and not only for the top, but also directly affect the population of countries.

    Feed again? In the USSR, except for the Russian Federation, only Belarus gave more to the state budget than it received from there. Now, according to the concept of horses, should we pay them so that they graciously allow us to be friends with them? Duc will break off ... Enough. For how many decades have they fed the socialist camp for loyalty - to whom the industry, houses, cities were built, to whom they simply carried dollars in suitcases - AND AGAIN? Let them choose for themselves - to be friends with us or to beg for American loans (which, by the way, will need to be repaid).

    Purely selfish in their place - I'd be friends with Russia. She gives a lot and forgives a lot. And America will take three for every dollar invested. And he won't forgive a cent.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 31 December 2020 14: 47
      +4
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Feed again?

      Don't forget ... that this is also a sales market. So who will feed whom, the question of distribution.
      Quote: Zoldat_A

      Purely selfishly in their place - I'd be friends with Russia. She gives a lot and forgives a lot. And America will take three for every dollar invested.

      In the same vein, the socialist camp can be organized .. more pragmatic than under the USSR.
      Russia must either multiply numerically and grow by 10 thousand in 200 years ... (which is not realistic), or acquire additional "economic" space .. But all this must be done in aggregate and with a clear calculation.
  • georgiigennadievitch
    georgiigennadievitch 6 January 2021 14: 27
    +1
    It is not very clear what the Foreign Ministry, Foreign Intelligence Service and other departments are doing, the meaning of which is directly related to foreign policy activities? Who specifically coordinates Russia's actions in relation to a particular CIS country? If specifically (like the president, he knows everything), then there is no demand from anyone. Hence the failures and punctures. But it should not be so. must be objectively considered and reflected in foreign trade and all other aspects. And since now there is only chatter. Everything is at the level of wishes. If nothing changes, then there is nothing to talk about and there is no need.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 December 2020 10: 10
    +15
    Thus, we must realize that our dear neighbors today do not see Russia with its real possibilities, problems and goals, but a kind of geopolitical construct created according to foreign plans.

    Many responsible people CONSTANTLY say that Russia can, maybe, only when it ceases to adhere to some of the "progressive, advanced" !!!
    All our STORY about this just SCREAMS !!!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 29 December 2020 10: 14
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      Thus, we must realize that our dear neighbors today do not see Russia with its real possibilities, problems and goals, but a kind of geopolitical construct created according to foreign plans.

      Many responsible people CONSTANTLY say that Russia can, maybe, only when it ceases to adhere to some of the "progressive, advanced" !!!
      All our STORY about this just SCREAMS !!!

      Absolutely, Russia must have its own path .. and as a proof .. peak of the greatness and power of the USSR.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 December 2020 10: 22
        +16
        There were great times under kings and emperors ... but always at that moment when the RULER had the will, the ability to act independently, in the interests of the POWER.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 29 December 2020 10: 28
          +8
          Quote: rocket757
          There were great times under kings and emperors ... but always at that moment when the RULER had the will, the ability to act independently, in the interests of the POWER.

          I agree. But in my opinion, the power of Russia under the USSR was unprecedented, especially considering the fact in which conditions it was born. Such a surge in science, education, rates of economic growth, military power ... history does not know.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 December 2020 11: 06
            +7
            Quote: Svarog
            But in my opinion, the power of Russia under the USSR was unprecedented, especially considering the fact in which conditions she was born

            Unity. Governments with people, great power.
            Even if not always and not everything, but to realize that they are leading you to feats and achievements, precisely for the Motherland ... this is a motivation that you cannot imagine better.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 11: 55
              -2
              Quote: rocket757
              Unity. Governments with people, great power.
              Even if not always and not everything, but to realize that they are leading you to feats and achievements, precisely for the Motherland ... this is a motivation that you cannot imagine better.

              Ehm ... Sounds like toast ...

              Well, "and the same to you" (c)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 29 December 2020 12: 15
                0
                It doesn't matter how it sounds ... how people perceive, accept, this is the main thing.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 12: 21
                  -5
                  Quote: rocket757
                  how people perceive, accept, this is the main thing.

                  What exactly? Nonsense about
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Unity. Governments with the people
                  ?
                  Well, usually taken as a bad joke. Least.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 29 December 2020 12: 55
                    0
                    At different times in different ways ...
                    do you think that now there are none who are behind THIS power by the mountain?
                    I think there will be some like that too ... so there is some joke in ANY joke.
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 13: 04
                      -1
                      Quote: rocket757
                      do you think that now there are none who are behind THIS power by the mountain?

                      of course there is. It is not in vain that a gang of lackeys like Solovyov and Co. is working on washing their brains, serving this power loyally. These radio and television stations are not working in vain. But what to go far - according to the comments on VO, their activities are visible)
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 December 2020 13: 13
                        +1
                        It has always been like this ... now, simply, the intensity of the impact has increased, they invest a lot in visualizing the same lie. Beautiful lies are better perceived as tasty, pleasant !!!
                        Although, the essence is the same, the ruling class wants to rule, get rich further ...
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 13: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Although, the essence is the same, the ruling class wants to rule, get rich further

                        Well, then what kind of "unity of power and people" were they talking about?
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 December 2020 13: 44
                        0
                        No, no, talking about separation is not in my rules, principles ...
                        And so, the whole history of mankind proves that there is no ideal!
                        BUT, this is the state when the overwhelming majority of the people support someone, something specific, an idea, a LEADER, a program, a path of development, this may well be.
                        The opposite may be true, but it still depends on the activity, the purposefulness of the masses, which goes to the embodiment of their ideas.
                      4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 14: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        a state when the overwhelming majority of the people support someone, something specific, an idea, a LEADER, a program, a path of development, this may well be.

                        Oh, I see. "One people, one country, one leader"?
                        Yes, everything was already "completely done" - both a specific program, and a specific leader, and the support of the "overwhelming mass". AND?
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 December 2020 14: 02
                        +2
                        So what?
                        He is not the first, he is not the last ...
                        What can you offer in exchange?
                      6. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 14: 46
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        What can you offer in exchange?

                        Instead of the bright ideals of totalitarianism and equality in poverty?
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 December 2020 14: 51
                        -3
                        and where did you find such a bright society, where there is no equality and poverty?
                        example, p.zh.s.t.
                        The kingdom of heaven is not to be offered ... we are not in a hurry there.
                      8. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 18: 47
                        -2
                        I remember the anecdote about how my grandfather wanted not to be poor. True, I always had a thought when I heard this anecdote, or rather even two. First of all, what did he do besides what he wanted to achieve his ideal? Second, is the method of achievement itself that good? laughing
                  2. paul3390
                    paul3390 29 December 2020 15: 41
                    +1
                    It is possible in another way ...

                  3. rocket757
                    rocket757 29 December 2020 19: 28
                    +2
                    Differently, but also not perfect.
                    Everyone makes their own choice. Must have a choice. If you do not agree with the will of the majority, you should be able to build your own life, but after you return all the debts to society, which has spent energy, resources, so that it would get on its feet, as they say.
                  4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 22: 47
                    -2
                    Touching.
                    Well, for someone like this:

                  5. paul3390
                    paul3390 30 December 2020 08: 55
                    0
                    The poster "Yeltsin is alive! And he will live .."
                  6. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 30 December 2020 09: 58
                    -2
                    You have some kind of black and white perception. That is, if you don’t whine in unison with you “return Stalin!”, Then, therefore, you are an adherent of the Yeltsin Center sect? On one thing I completely and unconditionally agree with you - the only possible way for Russia is dictatorship. An inert crowd with sado-maso instincts yearns for the master's hand.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 18: 40
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    but to realize that they are leading you to feats and achievements, precisely for the Motherland

    This phrase of yours looks somehow doubtful. The impression is that they lead like a ram. Directly a standard of feudal consciousness with a boyar and slaves. negative
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 December 2020 19: 32
      +1
      You do not feel like a person who is being led by those whom you have entrusted, transferred the right to rule the masses ... because you need a COMMANDER !!! the crowd is losing, by definition.
      For me, this is normal, the rule of one-man command, the most effective, in almost all situations. You have to choose a worthy one.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 29 December 2020 14: 10
    +18
    Quote: Svarog


    Thank you, Vladimir, for the video. hi And what a song! ... And here I thought, if before there were a lot of such strong and life-affirming songs, now there are none. Absolutely. Why is that? Complete absence of ideology and course, where are we going? Well, so we will not have fellow travelers (allies) either.

    P.S. There are songs about Putin, of course, but this is more a parody, and not something really inspiring))
    1. your1970
      your1970 30 December 2020 23: 34
      +1
      Quote: Stas157
      Complete absence of ideology and course, where are we going? Well, so we will not have fellow travelers (allies) either.

      USA - a complete absence of ideology and a bunch of allies (fellow travelers)?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 31 December 2020 00: 27
        +8
        Quote: your1970
        USA - complete lack of ideology

        In this case, you simply do not know anything about the United States. Have you heard of the ideology of exclusivity? It is very popular among the local population.
        1. your1970
          your1970 31 December 2020 00: 47
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: your1970
          USA - complete lack of ideology

          In this case, you simply do not know anything about the United States. Have you heard of the ideology of exclusivity? It is very popular among the local population.
          - and? at the same time, it divides the population into several groups - whites, blacks, Mexicans, rich, poor. Is this a single idea - acceptable and approved by American society as a whole? no ...
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 31 December 2020 00: 52
            +10
            Quote: your1970
            It's a single idea -acceptable and endorsed by American society entirely? No ...

            Yes exactly. This is a single idea. Almost all Americans are confident in their exclusivity. Both white and black. They are the coolest in this world. They do not even know geography about the rest of the world, and at the level of presidents.
            1. your1970
              your1970 31 December 2020 01: 02
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              This is a single idea.
              -can not be unified ideas - that yesterday blacks and dogs did not have the right to enter the cafe, and today they force white people to kiss their shoes ...
              here either blacks are exceptional - or white ...
              Considering yourself exceptional and kissing someone's shoes is nonsense ....
              Quote: Stas157
              They do not even know geography about the rest of the world, and at the level of presidents.
              -where I came across that at the exercises of the Wehrmacht, one of the German generals could not distinguish cannon from a howitzer ...artillery(!!!) the general did not know his own materiel ...
              nevertheless, it was no easier for our fighters
  • saigon
    saigon 29 December 2020 14: 05
    +3
    For Russia, its own path is only the path of the empire, there is no choice.
    To put it bluntly, with all definitions, the USSR was an empire, an ideological imperial project.
    It is useful to be built into the so-called conditional west or east without it being useful.
    To understand the US policy towards Russia, it is enough to look at the map of the world exactly the one in the United States.
    After that, it becomes clear their forgive fear (I call it roughly, but fear is the most accurate definition) Russia is both to the right and to the left of them.
    To understand the action of the Balts, it is worth considering the statehood that the USSR received and what to do with it they do not know, then that we are seeing some kind of teenage opposition, and complexes of resentment against the older brother take place. With regard to Ukraine, the same as for the Baltic states, and the situation is reinforced by the mental similarity to Russia, in order to consider yourself special, different from Russia, you must forget your history (the most important thing is to deny that together with the Russians they built an EMPIRE, we are guilty of this)
    I have a very warm attitude towards Georgia, a wonderful country and good people, the closest to Russians in the Caucasus. But again, the denial of participation in the construction of the Republic of Ingushetia, and here, in contrast to the Baltic states and Ukraine, there is experience of statehood.
  • cniza
    cniza 29 December 2020 10: 54
    -2
    Quote: rocket757

    Many responsible people CONSTANTLY say that Russia can, maybe, only when it ceases to adhere to some of the "progressive, advanced" !!!
    All our STORY about this just SCREAMS !!!


    Greetings! hi
    Russia can and does when Russia is simply respected and mutually beneficial interests are found, rather than demanding from it and not saying that Russia should and must ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 December 2020 11: 10
      +5
      Welcome soldier
      A strong, united country ... will be respected, even those who do not show aggression and do not force anyone.
      You need to start with yourself ... the rest then catch up.
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 December 2020 11: 57
        +1
        You can't argue here, you have to start with yourself ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 December 2020 12: 17
          +1
          We still need to fix, we need to restore a lot ... but we started doing it, very clumsily.
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 December 2020 12: 18
            +1
            We grab onto everything without finishing it, there is such a problem ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 December 2020 12: 20
              0
              Imperfections, this is such an ambush that even victories can turn into nothing known!
              1. cniza
                cniza 29 December 2020 12: 27
                +1
                This is called wasted resources or wasted chores ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 29 December 2020 12: 56
                  0
                  I don’t want to name it, all the more to see this .... but we have, alas, alas!
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 29 December 2020 13: 01
                    +1
                    There is a hope that all the same will change - common thoughts and actions will take their places ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 29 December 2020 13: 04
                      0
                      They hope for a complete cure of the "underdeveloped" people ... it must be a desperate optimist.
                      Although a certain balance would be achieved, so that the remaining untill ..., could not spoil, neutralize victories and achievements.
                    2. cniza
                      cniza 29 December 2020 13: 05
                      +1
                      Unfortunately, we have no other choice, or I don’t see it ...
                    3. rocket757
                      rocket757 29 December 2020 13: 09
                      0
                      In our situation, there is nothing unusual and almost nothing critical. Give a little more push in the right direction and move in the right direction ...
                      Probably, everyone went through this ... now it's our turn.
                      let's break through.
                    4. cniza
                      cniza 29 December 2020 13: 12
                      0
                      Yes, we need more technocrats to power, and not just politicians ...
                    5. rocket757
                      rocket757 29 December 2020 13: 17
                      0
                      It's better to have harmony in everything ... a reasonable balance.
                      One thing is important, the politicians are empty-headed, you need to drive them with a nasty broom.
                    6. cniza
                      cniza 29 December 2020 14: 48
                      0
                      We do not have enough real production workers in power structures, hence some theoretical groundwork ...
                    7. rocket757
                      rocket757 29 December 2020 14: 55
                      0
                      In general, we lack a lot, the most important thing is responsibility for the assigned work.
                      It would have been unconditional, the inevitability of ANY consequences for the task entrusted, normal control over the execution of orders, decrees, laws !!!
                      Some were not eager to STEER JUST, and there the grass would not grow.
                    8. cniza
                      cniza 29 December 2020 14: 58
                      0
                      Responsibility appears when there is demand, and demand appears when there is a professional in his field ...
                    9. rocket757
                      rocket757 29 December 2020 15: 03
                      0
                      Quote: cniza
                      Responsibility appears when there is demand, and demand appears when there is a professional in his field ...

                      Professional, extended concept. Somewhere you need a high-class technologist, somewhere an engineer, somewhere an organizer ...
                      Then, people tend to learn, there would be a desire, well, the basis, of course.
                    10. cniza
                      cniza 29 December 2020 15: 04
                      +1
                      You have to study all your life, you stopped and you are already behind ...
                    11. rocket757
                      rocket757 29 December 2020 15: 07
                      -1
                      That's right. Even weaving bast shoes, you can improve your skills all your life.
                    12. cniza
                      cniza 29 December 2020 15: 10
                      0
                      Well, yes, and then after graduation, I taught a little, since the deputy minister is already and begins to lead something that I have never seen before ...
                    13. rocket757
                      rocket757 29 December 2020 15: 15
                      0
                      The trouble is gone ... "update and optimization" is called! I do not want to discuss this topic at all, because there will be no talk.
                    14. cniza
                      cniza 29 December 2020 15: 33
                      0
                      Discuss, do not discuss, all we have to do is observe and hope for the best, not everyone in their place, do not sit, but do and you will be happy ...
      2. nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga 29 December 2020 23: 49
        0
        There are no production workers there because they divide money there, and they love money T AND SH AND N Y !!!
  • nerovnayadoroga
    nerovnayadoroga 29 December 2020 23: 47
    0
    And with us, neither one nor the other! Some lawyers and managers from hahahaha ... biznesmeeeeennnamiiii !!!!
  • bar
    bar 29 December 2020 10: 12
    +13
    And in the 90s Russia remained the number one country, being much stronger and more influential than any other post-Soviet state. In fact, more powerful AND, in fact, more influential.

    This is when a drunken Yeltsin danced with Clinton, and Kozyrev merged the interests of Russia Albright?
    No more strength to read, author, burn more laughing laughing laughing
    1. Olezhek
      29 December 2020 14: 17
      -2
      This is when a drunken Yeltsin danced with Clinton, and Kozyrev merged the interests of Russia Albright?
      No more strength to read, author, burn more


      Even then remained
      request
      1. bar
        bar 29 December 2020 14: 22
        0
        Quote: Olezhek
        Even then remained

        How old are you, Olezhek? I myself lived in those 90s and I do not know about them from stories. And what "remained" Russia in those days I saw perfectly.
        1. nerovnayadoroga
          nerovnayadoroga 29 December 2020 23: 52
          -2
          THROUGH THE CASH REGISTER !?
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 29 December 2020 10: 13
    +17
    Tired of this "political" and "economic"
    pseudo-analytics, some set of well-known
    truths obtained on the Internet.
    Tie already how much you can carry all this
    rave...
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Bez 310
      Tired of this "political" and "economic"
      pseudo-analytics, some set of well-known
      truths obtained on the Internet.
      Tie already how much you can carry all this
      rave...

      The most sensible comment.
      Again the gums are rubbing the porridge of "Russophobia".
      Analytics on VO is ....
  • bober1982
    bober1982 29 December 2020 10: 13
    -11%
    Our dear neighbors are more like crazy mongrels.
    We must patiently wait for three or four generations to change.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 29 December 2020 10: 21
      +5
      Quote: bober1982
      Our dear neighbors are more like crazy mongrels.
      We must patiently wait for three or four generations to change.

      3-4 generations is 100 years .. The decline in the Russian Federation is 500 tons per year .. multiply by 100 years .. Russia will be gone.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 29 December 2020 10: 35
        -12%
        Quote: Svarog
        Russia will be gone.

        Do not worry, all will perish, and Russia, as it was, will be.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 29 December 2020 10: 36
          +5
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Svarog
          Russia will be gone.

          Do not worry, all will perish, and Russia, as it was, will be.

          Somotrya that for you Russia .. if the territory is yes. Will not go anywhere .. but people will already populate other .. Chinese .. Africans
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 29 December 2020 10: 40
            -17%
            Quote: Svarog
            if the territory is yes.

            Which will grow in new territories by that time.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 29 December 2020 10: 42
              +7
              Quote: bober1982
              Quote: Svarog
              if the territory is yes.

              Which will grow in new territories by that time.

              Maintain such a territory from 60 -70 ml. man is not real ..
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 29 December 2020 10: 44
                -18%
                Quote: Svarog
                Maintain such a territory from 60 -70 ml. man is not real ..

                With hypersonic weapons and the most powerful nuclear arsenal, it's possible.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 29 December 2020 10: 46
                  +6
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Maintain such a territory from 60 -70 ml. man is not real ..

                  With hypersonic weapons and the most powerful nuclear arsenal, it's possible.

                  If only we had this weapon .. in 5-10 years many will have it. And we reason within 3-4 generations.
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 29 December 2020 10: 49
                    -11%
                    Quote: Svarog
                    in 5-10 years it will be possessed by many

                    These many in 5-10 years will simply not exist.
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 11: 41
                      +11
                      Quote: bober1982
                      These many in 5-10 years will simply not exist.

                      Tell me, based on what preconditions did you make such "profound" conclusions?
                      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 13: 09
                        +6
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Tell me, based on what preconditions did you make such "profound" conclusions?

                        Well, they told the idiot about the "hypersonic weapon", he is now ready to expand Russia with it. And, no - more precisely, "to grow by new territories", as it is written in his training manual.
                2. Revival
                  Revival 29 December 2020 11: 05
                  +7
                  Want to leave 15 million?
                  Why bother and feed the rest with "their own" money
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 29 December 2020 11: 10
                    -13%
                    Quote: Revival
                    Want to leave 15 million?

                    You inattentively read the comments, it was about neighbors, partners and other allies eager to have hypersound.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 29 December 2020 10: 32
      +7
      How many lives do you have? Five or maybe ten?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 29 December 2020 10: 37
        -9
        Quote: Ros 56
        How many lives do you have?

        I have very little left, it's time to get out, I need to know the honor.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 29 December 2020 10: 41
          +3
          But nobody can know this. As an example to you, Botyan, with his work he could have disappeared back in the 40s of the last century, but he just left, he lived 103 years. And you say. hi
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 29 December 2020 10: 43
            -3
            Quote: Ros 56
            And you say

            And, my respect for you.
        2. Aag
          Aag 30 December 2020 13: 54
          0
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Ros 56
          How many lives do you have?

          I have very little left, it's time to get out, I need to know the honor.

          And what, there will be no one close to you, whom you would like to live better ??
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 30 December 2020 14: 00
            0
            Quote: AAG
            And what, there will be no one close to you, whom you would like to live better ??

            - fight, said the battalion commander, and that they didn’t shoot, I’m not to blame!
    3. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 29 December 2020 10: 57
      +7
      If you live with a neighbor (or wife) and always conflict, this half of your life is ruined. Therefore, of course, compromises must be found.
      This also applies to states.
      Germany was mentioned in the article.
      In my opinion, this is the only country of all the satellites (WWII) that admits its mistakes, admits that it has brought numerous disasters to the peoples.
      They do not demolish monuments to heroes and fallen Soviet soldiers. The soldiers' graves are carefully looked after.
      And in the countries of Eastern Europe, the opposite is true, and this does not contribute to the establishment of relations, although it was the Soviet soldiers who liberated them from Nazism.
    4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 12: 15
      +3
      Quote: bober1982
      We must patiently wait for three or four generations to change.

      I'm embarrassed to ask: are you going to wait patiently in the cryochamber?
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 29 December 2020 10: 21
    -3
    "And they don't just don't understand us. They no longer want to understand anything. And they can't. "- sorry, you can’t, - we will teach: you don’t want to, - well, to hell with you. Then it will be too late.
    1. Aag
      Aag 30 December 2020 14: 01
      0
      Quote: Mykhalych
      "And they don't just don't understand us. They no longer want to understand anything. And they can't. "- sorry, you can’t, - we will teach: you don’t want to, - well, to hell with you. Then it will be too late.

      ... The old "teacher" (see the video from Svarog's castr ... hmm ... - they stopped it, but the new one won't grow up in any way. (((
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 29 December 2020 10: 23
    +2
    The main problem of Lithuania, Ukraine, and Poland, too, is unfulfilled imperial ambitions. All these countries really wanted to become an empire. Poles and Lithuanians are Rzeczpospolita, and Ukraine is the so-called "Rus-Ukraine" with the capital of course in Kiev. And it was Russia that at one time prevented them from realizing these ambitions. That's why they hate us. And they will always hate. The Ukrainians were infected with imperial ambitions from the Poles. Actually, it was the Poles who invented the "Ukrainians". And the contemptuous name "Muscovy" was also invented by them. To challenge the right of Moscow to be the capital of Russia.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 29 December 2020 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: Pavel73
      The main problem of Lithuania, Ukraine, and Poland, too, is unfulfilled imperial ambitions.

      In addition to ambitions, they also have a serious "roof". If they had not had NATO "behind their backs" they would have behaved quieter than water below the grass.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 December 2020 13: 13
      +3
      Quote: Pavel73
      The main problem of Lithuania, Ukraine, and Poland, too, is unfulfilled imperial ambitions.

      Enough about other people's ambitions, by God. It's funny to listen to this from patients with phantom pain (referring to the post-Soviet history).
    3. Aag
      Aag 30 December 2020 14: 24
      0
      "... The main problem of Lithuania, Ukraine, and Poland, too, is the unfulfilled imperial ambitions. All these countries really wanted to become an empire ..."
      It seems that they don't even remember about it themselves. They reminded them, remind them of those times, pointing out the main obstacles, - Russia. In their current interests it is natural. And we ... We do not really snap, - the theme of England-USA, -Germany do not swing ...
      On the one hand, I agree, it is not our method. It was. Under the Soviet Union, they could be allowed to be noble. Situevina changed, - "How can a schoolboy fight against punks ..." (VS Vysotsky).
  • lucul
    lucul 29 December 2020 10: 26
    -5
    Theory: Lithuania shares a border with Russia. We are much richer, stronger and bigger. It would seem that the conclusion suggests itself: Lithuania needs to seek compromises and negotiate with us. But no!

    They just understand the vassalage system (yes, it never went anywhere), but we do not. Therefore, we do not understand the train of their thoughts.
    There is such a toy called Crusader kings 3, that's where this vassalage system is laid out on the shelves - it very clears the brain. Recommend .
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 December 2020 10: 31
    -4
    Stop playing with these exes, it's time to take a hard line with them in the interests of our country. We wanted to lean against the striped ones, but for God's sake, let the striped ones buy their goods, and we can live without them. And then they got used to it - let Russia, help Russia, but go to the forest. That is how Latvia has begun to sing, cargo flows are ending, ah ah, it is necessary to resume. Would you like a horseradish from a tubercle? The striped ones do not bother with such for long, a little on the nape, and sometimes so that the head comes off.
    1. Nike
      Nike 29 December 2020 15: 34
      +2
      Talking a hard line? In April, the Russian government imposed sanctions against Ukraine, in particular, to sharply limit the supply of petroleum products, loudly introduced it on all TV channels, and in June canceled it, quietly, quietly, inaudible. Now the Russian Federation supplies to Ukraine directly, 37% of diesel fuel, another 16% is supplied to Belarus from Russian oil. Got it? Business first of all (tanks need something to refuel)
      1. Nike
        Nike 29 December 2020 15: 39
        +2
        Ukraine ranks second after China in terms of trading volume in Russia.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 29 December 2020 15: 59
        0
        So deal with these hucksters, minus with it.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 29 December 2020 10: 33
    -7
    You need to be tougher with everyone, tougher! Then they will be respected!
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 29 December 2020 22: 57
      0
      Banana is full of moralists ???.? ..... ??????
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 29 December 2020 22: 58
        0
        There is something to cover that, ????????
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 December 2020 10: 34
    -2
    Former Union republics are what the West needs to resist and spoil Russia. Especially well, this role is played by Ukraine, under the motto of independence, for which it paid. I don't think that Crimea and Donbass is the end. For the Outskirts, everything is still ahead. All the more so because the people did not draw any conclusions. The election results are clear evidence of this. And there is no need to naively hope that the people of the Outskirts will ever draw their due conclusions from their 27 years of independence. They will whine, pryuchit, hysterical, but always blame everything, Russians or Jews. It happened, historically, for centuries.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 December 2020 10: 38
    +2
    There is no clear policy with the CIS countries ...
    A recent case is Belarus. What are the advantages for the Russian Federation derived from the help of Comrade. Lukashenko?
  • apro
    apro 29 December 2020 10: 46
    +3
    And who is Raseyu mother not obey ... huh ???
    That would have heard you .. it is necessary to represent something from itself. The words are correct to speak. From which it is impossible to brush it off.
    1. Aag
      Aag 30 December 2020 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: apro
      And who is Raseyu mother not obey ... huh ???
      That would have heard you .. it is necessary to represent something from itself. The words are correct to speak. From which it is impossible to brush it off.

      "... In order to be heard ... you have to present something of yourself. The words are correct ..."
      In my opinion, this applies to most of the former allies ...
      The most striking example is Belarus. We looked for a long time until the Russian Federation at least denotes a vector. We didn’t wait, we began to look for our way out of the situation. It did not work out. Naturally, such a lever for the United States! as it happens when not with us. "That is, the last one was appointed. Before that, the Baltics, part of the Caucasus, were drained. Donetsk, Luhansk are a separate topic, but in the same context ...
      Not pretty, to put it mildly, and in relation to the residents of the former Soviet Union, and the current Russian.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 29 December 2020 10: 49
    +1
    Everything is well described why the republics of the former USSR dispersed like ships at sea. Why can't they come together, no, at least in the economic plan. And there are platforms for this: the CIS, the Union State of Russia and Belarus, the EurAsEC, what went wrong, that these interstate formations either do not work and breathe badly, or barely work -le.
    1. apro
      apro 29 December 2020 10: 51
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Why can't they agree, no, at least economically.

      There is no ideology. On what basis?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 29 December 2020 11: 12
        +1
        There is an ideology, nationalistic. Everyone has. You cannot agree on this ideology. There must be an enemy, to justify your economic "failures", especially in the post-Soviet space, you yourself understand "Jews, spudents and sitsialists" no longer play the role of an enemy. And the western environment is even more so. It is necessary to feed from someone else's hand. But to create something effective with the nationalist ideology in terms of economic community is not possible, and it will not work. And they don’t want to. Everyone is sitting on his own bunch of hay, ready to give it away to someone, but not to share with a neighbor, and suddenly, it will take everything away.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 December 2020 11: 15
      +2
      Because, in order to come to power, they destroyed the USSR ... and Yeltsin did it. But by that time, the USSR was brought to the handle.
      1. Aag
        Aag 30 December 2020 15: 01
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Because, in order to come to power, they destroyed the USSR ... and Yeltsin did it. But by that time, the USSR was brought to the handle.

        It seems that Yeltsin is a passing figure. It was thought more and more earlier. And deeper. By the way, few people pay attention to this. Not special, but the belief is ripening that the "drain" of the USSR came from within, and Gorbachev is only a figure there ...
  • cniza
    cniza 29 December 2020 10: 51
    0
    And they don't just don't understand us. They no longer want to understand anything. And they can't.


    It's okay, do what? send them to school?
    1. apro
      apro 29 December 2020 11: 09
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      send them to school?

      And what to teach ??? that they don't know that ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 December 2020 11: 56
        -2
        This is for comparison, as in the article:

        This is something like this: if a person at school did not study, for example, mathematics, then at the university it will be absolutely impossible for him to understand even the simplest lecture on this subject.
  • sannyhome
    sannyhome 29 December 2020 11: 20
    +6
    The author argues reasonably and logically, but at the same time demonstrates what he accuses opponents of - an absolute lack of understanding of what is happening. It is high time to understand that the United States does not seek to dominate in the classical sense of the word. They do not seek to seize territory or destroy armies. They are rebuilding the whole world. They form a new reality for which a set of laws, rules and moral norms is already prepared.
    Yes, the neighbors do not see Russia, not because they are stupid, but because in that American reality, as in the time of the Nazis, it has no place. For the Anglo-Saxons, there is no intelligent life beyond their reality, there are only territories with wild aborigines that need to be transformed for themselves. No one in their right mind would associate with rabid dogs. And even if these "dogs" allow themselves to be tamed, the attitude towards them will not change much, it will, at best, be like pets that bark with their neighbors' dogs through the fence.
    Therefore, for Russia there is only one way to survive and win - to shape its own reality, which can change or absorb the American model. This is not a war of tanks and aircraft, although there will be one, this is a war of egregors.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 29 December 2020 11: 27
      0
      Quote: sannyhome
      Therefore, for Russia there is only one way to survive and win - to shape its own reality, which can change or absorb the American model.

      good hi
      1. apro
        apro 29 December 2020 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: sannyhome
        Therefore, for Russia there is only one way to survive and win - to shape its own reality, which can change or absorb the American model.

        good hi

        And on the basis of what ????
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 29 December 2020 11: 47
          +1
          Quote: apro
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: sannyhome
          Therefore, for Russia there is only one way to survive and win - to shape its own reality, which can change or absorb the American model.

          good hi

          And on the basis of what ????


          Well, there is no need to invent anything ... we had experience, a successful experience ... but there were also mistakes, so you need to work on the mistakes and return to a bright future .. hi
          1. apro
            apro 29 December 2020 13: 30
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            we had experience, a successful experience.

            You are embarrassed to say that the Soviet civilizational project is still possible and is the population ready to accept it? This is a very high bar.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 29 December 2020 15: 36
              +4
              In 1917, the bar was even higher. However, nothing - the Bolsheviks have done it. And for us, after 30 years of wild capitalism, it would be a sin not to cope ..
              1. apro
                apro 29 December 2020 15: 41
                +1
                Quote: paul3390
                In 1917, the bar was even higher.

                Then the requests were less ...
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                  1. apro
                    apro 29 December 2020 15: 47
                    0
                    Quote: paul3390
                    Case for small.

                    Create an operating organization ...
                    1. paul3390
                      paul3390 29 December 2020 15: 51
                      +3
                      There are plenty of them. The main task is to unite all pro-communist forces. This is difficult. And for a start - to throw out of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation all the opportunistic gopu Genosse Zyu. For from him a communist is like Captain Flint's parrot .. Scorned traitors to the cause of the working class ..
                      1. apro
                        apro 29 December 2020 16: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: paul3390
                        They are full

                        Mostly educational. This is also good. Lots of useful information .. but what to do today is not entirely clear.
                        Quote: paul3390
                        They are full

                        But some are clearly provocative.
              2. your1970
                your1970 31 December 2020 11: 38
                -2
                Quote: paul3390
                In 1917, the bar was even higher. However, nothing - the Bolsheviks have done it.

                And I had to introduce the NEP - because the population really wanted to eat ...
                And now the population, after a couple of years of building socialism, will amicably say - "............" Where is everyone? Where are the iPhones, products, cars, computers,
                ?? !!! We don't need it in 50 years - now let's !!!! "And then what to do about it?
                In 1918, it was possible to shoot the dissatisfied by the decision of the Revolutionary Tribunal .... Now to introduce them again?
                The WWI and Grazhdanskaya helped to reduce the level of consumption in 1917-1920 - he snatched a ration of bread and is happy ... And now 300 grams of bread cannot get off ...
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 31 December 2020 11: 48
                  -1
                  And the hunt to write all sorts of crap for the New Year? Modern NEP is China. Tell them about the lack of iPhones ..
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 31 December 2020 13: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: paul3390
                    And the hunt to write all sorts of crap for the New Year? Modern NEP is China. Tell them about the lack of iPhones ..

                    Before becoming contemporary - China was an extremely poor country for the entire 80-90 years, extremely ... That is why TNK rushed there - workers could well be hired for a cup of rice a day ... and it was quite a decent payment ...
                    It was TNK that brought in and built new production facilities and gave China technology ...
                    Zhirinovsky said that in the early 90s he was in China. Chinese officials went with him. Zhirinovsky, after paying for the food, saw that he had a torn small bill in return (roughly 2 bottles of vodka for our money). He threw it into the trash, and when leaving he saw that one of the Chinese took it out and hid it. Zhirik asked - what for? It turned out that this is the average salary of this official for a week ...
                    If now we carry out the nationalization of everything - and without this it is impossible - all world trade is for us bye-bye ... And nobody will give us the technology of the same iPhones, and TNCs will not come - who will do something in a country where it can be taken away from any moment....

                    Z. Y.
                    And the same thing will emerge as in 1918 and 1993 - "war communism" or barter. They will exchange diamonds / Porsche for half a bag of potatoes and Aivazovsky / iPhone for a pound of bread
                    Then, of course, everything stabilizes, but in both cases, in the 20th century, about 7 years passed before stabilization ...
                  2. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 11 January 2021 10: 23
                    +1
                    China is a factories built by Americans to release goods to the American market. And then the NEP, which is just free trade?
                2. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 11 January 2021 10: 22
                  +1
                  In fact, no one introduced NEP because of the desire of the population to eat, because NEP is simply the abolition of wartime measures prohibiting free grain trade, which, in the event of a shortage of bread, is guaranteed to lead to the fact that someone will eat a lot, and someone it won't be at all. The NEP was shut down because of the population's desire to eat.

                  Learn materiel, and do not disgrace yourself.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 29 December 2020 15: 41
              +2
              Quote: apro
              that the Soviet civilizational project is still possible? And is the population ready to accept it? This is a very high bar.

              I am convinced that it is possible. The bar is really high .. many are ready, but it is important to understand what mistakes were made, how they will be eliminated and what is the plan of action .. and most importantly, who will lead this movement. That would be a man as resolute and energetic as Navalny ... but at the same time a socialist. Things would go quickly.
              1. apro
                apro 29 December 2020 15: 46
                +2
                Quote: Svarog
                That would be a man

                This is the main mistake, namely, the taoretic justification of the transformations taking into account the current situation, and the methods of practical solutions.
                Navalny Pop Gapon. In modern interpretation. Provocateur ...
                One thing is clear. It is difficult to carry out by peaceful methods. No elections. Referendums will help.
                And most importantly, there is no driving force.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 29 December 2020 15: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: apro
                  And most importantly, there is no driving force.

                  Not ripe yet. Now is the stage when it is necessary to promote the ideas of socialism. It is necessary for the idea to take possession of the masses, and when this happens, there is a leader and the situation will arrive. Another 10 years of such capitalism in the Russian Federation and people will howl .. and Marx will begin to read to cover ..
                  1. apro
                    apro 29 December 2020 16: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Another 10 years of such capitalism in the Russian Federation and people will howl.

                    If they survive ...
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Not ripe yet

                    Here we can say that they began to adapt to new conditions. and after a while they will get used to it.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 29 December 2020 16: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: apro
                      Here we can say that they began to adapt to new conditions. and after a while they will get used to it.

                      Cynical of course .. but the fact .. But they get used to it does not mean that they will not want to change .. Our people are patient .. harnessing for a long time .. But then .. little will not seem to anyone ..
              2. paul3390
                paul3390 29 December 2020 15: 49
                +3
                That would be a man as resolute and energetic as Navalny ... but at the same time a socialist.

                The authorities will not allow such a person to get close to real activity. Will close immediately and on the spot, why are they their own enemies? Only zits-chairmen are allowed to do this, because in fact, this is an ordinary pro-government project that distracts people from the real struggle.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 29 December 2020 15: 53
                  0
                  Quote: paul3390
                  That would be a man as resolute and energetic as Navalny ... but at the same time a socialist.

                  The authorities will not allow such a person to get close to real activity. Will close immediately and on the spot, why are they their own enemies? Only zits-chairmen are allowed to do this, because in fact, this is an ordinary pro-government project that distracts people from the real struggle.

                  Yes, with Navalny it's clear ... I mean, his energy would be, but for the good of socialism ..
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 30 December 2020 16: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Yes

                    You amazed me!
                    Have you ever wondered where Platoshkin is? IMHO: differently closer to the people, life!
                    Navalny is annoying only in the sense that the authorities do not stop him. And there is a lot of noise, - Soloviev is not
                    on the normative vocabulary.
                    Veiling real opponents?
                    How you want to live, believing that your life will help the future, better, generations to live better, more fruitfully, for the good of the Country, and, inseparably, with a better future, descendants.
                    Almost a toast ... All the participants of the VO with the impending!
            3. A_Lex
              A_Lex 29 December 2020 15: 57
              +3
              Is the population ready to accept it?


              Typical.

              When an opportunity arises for a narrow group of people to improve their financial situation, no one rushes to ask the population. As it was during the great robbery, which is called privatization. And about the same period from the TV screens the famous "crush the reptile" rushed to those who wanted to prevent such a robbery.

              But when the non-illusory prospect of a narrow group of people losing their privileges and assets looms, the question immediately becomes actual whether the broad masses of the people want this. A narrow group, as it happens all the time, cleverly masks the fear of losing the loot by hard work, behind the supposedly holy concern for the public good, which they are supposedly extremely worried about.

              Always. The same thing always happens. When someone wants to improve his personal situation at the expense of everyone, he argues this with the alleged future benefit for society, as, for example, happened at the end of the existence of the USSR. And when he feels a threat to his privileges, immediately there is a cry "come to your senses, society (homeland) is in danger!"
            4. Aag
              Aag 30 December 2020 15: 41
              0
              Quote: apro
              Quote: Svarog
              we had experience, a successful experience.

              You are embarrassed to say that the Soviet civilizational project is still possible and is the population ready to accept it? This is a very high bar.

              The essence of discussions on similar topics !!!
              IMHO: time is lost, - several generations have grown who did not live, and did not hear from loved ones ... Yes, it seems, even if they told me about the times of the USSR, how it is done now, I would still think in the place of youth - I need it. But, I lived there, like a significant part of those present at VO. The country was large. Often, not homogeneous. But! Let everyone who thought that things would get worse (that they would have to pay for giving birth, educating, building, repairing, curing, yes, simply - "Plato", utilization of solid waste, etc.) minus (preferably, reasoned). ... hi
              1. apro
                apro 30 December 2020 16: 06
                0
                Quote: AAG
                time is lost, - several generations have grown up who did not live, and did not hear from loved ones ..

                The essence of the discourses is stalgia? I don't think so.
                Many do not understand the essence of the Soviet civilizational project. Simplifying it. But it is a very complex system. Based primarily on a man of a new formation. And he still needs to be civilized. To instill the skills to live in Soviet society. And the process is not fast. And easily traumatized.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 30 December 2020 21: 51
                  0
                  Quote: apro
                  Quote: AAG
                  time is lost, - several generations have grown up who did not live, and did not hear from loved ones ..

                  The essence of the discourses is stalgia? I don't think so.
                  Many do not understand the essence of the Soviet civilizational project. Simplifying it. But it is a very complex system. Based primarily on a man of a new formation. And he still needs to be civilized. To instill the skills to live in Soviet society. And the process is not fast. And easily traumatized.

                  Nostalgia has a place to be. Together with it, and some life experience. (In the end, having an idea of ​​the Union already fifty dollars or more). To recreate a person of the "new" formation, if we are talking about the Soviet, perhaps, will not succeed. worth trying.
                  But I think it's worth relaying the truth about the times of the Union to the youth, especially when it diligently discredits those times.
    2. Olezhek
      29 December 2020 14: 15
      +1
      but at the same time it demonstrates what the opponents are accused of - an absolute lack of understanding of what is happening.


      They are rebuilding the whole world. They form a new reality for which a set of laws, rules and moral norms is already prepared.
      Yes, the neighbors do not see Russia, not because they are stupid, but because in that American reality, to


      And that's just about this described in the second part of the article.
    3. Aag
      Aag 30 December 2020 15: 04
      0
      "... Therefore, for Russia there is only one way to survive and win ..."
      Well, who would argue from the adequate.
      The question is, HOW ?!
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 29 December 2020 11: 43
    0
    Realities: in Lithuania, the most Russophobic line of behavior was initially adopted. And now it is impossible to agree with them. For one simple reason: they sit and wait for Russia to come "to apologize"

    Generally speaking, it is not difficult to explain this at all. They believe that they are under American cover, and we are weak and cannot do anything to them. Otherwise, they would instantly forget about all the claims. You don't have to go far for examples.
    Finland. Do you think they loved the USSR after the war? Yes, they did. But they sat quietly and respected Soviet interests, because they knew - if it happened that no one would help them either.
    Strictly speaking, this logic led Georgia to disaster. The problem was this: they basically did not hear us.

    The problem was that Saakashvili was actively incited from Washington. And he, a foolish macho, decided that there was no risk, they would cover him.
    In short, the whole point is that Russia was weak, and even now it is not very strong. And the West in general and the United States in particular can promise much more. That is why such a devil-may-care consumer attitude. Even Luka wagged his tail and practiced multi-vector. Why, give it all anyway, otherwise I’ll change ...
  • HAM
    HAM 29 December 2020 11: 51
    -1
    No matter how cynical it may sound, it will be easier for Russia to conduct a dialogue with its neighbors when relations become not "fraternal", but purely businesslike .... they want to speak their own languages, let them speak, and when they are impatient (and they will certainly be impatient) they will remember Only then the conversation will no longer be with the "brothers", but with business partners, the same as from France or Somalia ...
    That's exactly the author noticed that in the post-Soviet space they "know" about life in Russia better than the Russians themselves ...
    1. Aag
      Aag 30 December 2020 21: 28
      +1
      Quote: HAM
      No matter how cynical it may sound, it will be easier for Russia to conduct a dialogue with its neighbors when relations become not "fraternal", but purely businesslike .... they want to speak their own languages, let them speak, and when they are impatient (and they will certainly be impatient) they will remember Only then the conversation will no longer be with the "brothers", but with business partners, the same as from France or Somalia ...
      That's exactly the author noticed that in the post-Soviet space they "know" about life in Russia better than the Russians themselves ...

      It seems that you were minus, due to the fact that many, even patriotic ones, seem to ... but it just seems that everything should be as they suggest ... I agree, the wording is so myself ...
      But, with a similar thesis I came to VO: "... in the post-Soviet space, they" know "about life in Russia better than the Russians themselves .." Those who have not lived in the former (allied) countries have no connections, they are ready to iron with tactical nuclear weapons. Just to prove , -you are without us Nobody!
      I have already written here, on VO, in the same Baltics, in Latvia specifically, there were true patriots of Russia (until they doubted the goals of the Russian Federation itself), perhaps more (certainly) than in the Russian Federation itself.
      Now, maybe it will be too late. The people of the Russian Federation do not see the prospects. And they have nothing to believe in.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 29 December 2020 11: 58
    +7
    there was not even a rejection of the ideas presented in Russian editions, but their complete disregard.
    and what are the author has in mind?
    What can Russia offer its neighbors?
    1. Olezhek
      29 December 2020 14: 14
      +2
      and what are the author has in mind?
      What can Russia offer its neighbors?


      I highly recommend reading for comparison
      Russian press
      the american
      Ukrainian
      Belarusian

      (mainstream about politics)

      you will be shocked
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 29 December 2020 15: 48
        -3
        Quote: Olezhek
        I highly recommend reading for comparison
        Russian press
        the american
        Ukrainian
        Belarusian

        What about the Ukrainian, American and Belarusian press?
        As well as the conventional Belarusian or American Russian?
        This is for enthusiasts, or for a troll factory. The rest of the townsfolk do not care.
        But what is Belarus / Ukraine, a lot, for example, Muscovites or Krasnodar people know about the conditional Ural or Taimyr?
        1. Olezhek
          30 December 2020 07: 43
          0
          What about the Ukrainian, American and Belarusian press?


          To better understand their point of view.
      2. apro
        apro 29 December 2020 16: 14
        -2
        Author. Do not pull the cat by the tail there is something to say say ... together we will be surprised ...
      3. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 29 December 2020 17: 27
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        (mainstream about politics)

        you will be shocked

        Trash is more or less all.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 29 December 2020 12: 13
    +8
    Olezhek smeared palm-based oil, and in the end, unable to resist, spat in the direction of Belarus. wink
  • fuel oil
    fuel oil 29 December 2020 12: 15
    +8
    Without a powerful economy, a coherent domestic policy and the revival of the Russian population, the country is doomed. The current "capitalists" have done nothing in recent decades other than filling their own money and exporting capital in their personal interests. Well, except for new types of weapons from old Soviet stocks. Only their goal is not Russia, not Her prosperity, but an elementary robbery under the cap of supersonic and other bells and whistles. Russia is just a cash cow for them. Now there is a huge problem of plastic bags made of spars, magnets and other fives. In a country with neglected and simply rotting forests along all the roads of the European part there is no such capitalist, business executive capable of organizing the production of these packages from bark and wood. You need to start by putting things in order in your own Russian house. And politicians, business executives of such a plan are not visible in the President's entourage. Those who sit with "plastic" faces at meetings, alas not capable ...
  • orcinus
    orcinus 29 December 2020 12: 15
    +2
    I may open the eyes of both the author and the local old-timers, but the press and analytical programs are watched by 0,000001% of the population - mainly my father's generation (people, more precisely, men over 60). The rest are watching a zombie box and Internet garbage dumps, and there the image of the Russian Federation is not very good: hundreds of channels with outright tin, constantly either grubby or crime. How, the immature infantile brain of a citizen of 17 years old or a housewife can form a positive image and understanding of the geopolitical vectors of the Russian Federation, if the image of "Mordor" is formed.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 29 December 2020 13: 27
      0
      I may open my eyes to ornithus, but those who are not watching analytics do not matter. They will be taken by the nose and taken wherever those who look want. Not all, of course, but those who look at work. About them and the question - or look, fuckers.
  • Old Orc
    Old Orc 29 December 2020 12: 27
    +2
    Behind all the words in this opinion is missing the main thing - ECONOMY. The Baltic countries received 3/4 of their money from Europe and it was for anti-communist-anti-Russian rhetoric. and so far it has been more anti-communist than anti-Russian. Moscow was happy with everything, so it pursued exactly the same policy inside Russia. As soon as in the world there was not enough money for the appetites of all oligarchs. In Moscow, they remembered about their neighbors and licked their lips and started talking about partnerships. it's even easier with Georgia. A poor country with no special prospects. The only way is to sell yourself at a higher price. and this requires an advertising campaign. but she failed and Georgia ceased to be a beloved wife. In Ukraine, the whole song revolved around the trumpet. While the gesheft from the pipe suited everyone, there were no problems with the orientation of Ukraine. But as soon as it was not enough for everyone and a cry arose, the Tigers were not being given meat, and from both sides of the border, Ukraine went to look for buyers from the other side. Everything is simple and without higher humanism. Grandmothers decide everything. and all modern that Russian that Georgian-Ukrainian built around them.
  • mark_rod
    mark_rod 29 December 2020 12: 32
    +7
    All this could be described much shorter. If Russia were not an oligarchic state with a bunch of thieves in power, but a social state in which the bowels really belong to the people and everything goes to the development of the country and the people, then the peoples of neighboring states would see Russia much more attractive than the West, and would strive for it ... What do they see now? The answer is known ...
    1. Olezhek
      29 December 2020 14: 12
      0
      All this could be described much shorter. If Russia were not an oligarchic state with a bunch of thieves in power,


      Bulk smart man
      But I don't agree with everything
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 29 December 2020 21: 05
        +1
        If Russia were not an oligarchic state with a bunch of thieves in power,


        The other day I looked through the history of Russia again. I read the article and remembered that all the expansions of the state and the rising took place after the creation or modernization or transformation - under Ivan III, under his son, under Peter, under Catherine.

        If you want the rise and strengthening of the state, start at home. Otherwise, not only Belarus and Ukraine, but also Veliky Novgorod or Smolensk will again ask their neighbors ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 31 December 2020 12: 39
      0
      Quote: mark_rod
      If Russia were not an oligarchic state with a bunch of thieves in power, but a social state in which the bowels really belong to the people and everything goes to the development of the country and the people, then the peoples of neighboring states would see Russia much more attractive than the West, and would strive for it ...

      Something that there was no queue to move to the USSR from the capitalist countries ... Moreover, even from the countries of the social camp of immigrants there were not many to us ... The number of immigrants from the GDR to the USSR and from the GDR to the FRG were incomparable ...
      And the bowels of the people were - but this did not attract anyone ...
      Strange not?
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 January 2021 10: 29
      +1
      It amazes me, in the USSR the peoples of these very neighboring states ate in 3 throats at the expense of the RSFSR. The union is gone, and now we do not always recognize them as people, second class, gasterbayters. But for some reason, these same peoples from the well-fed social for them the USSR actively rushed and do not want something back. Although they are now surviving by earning money in Russia. No, there are, of course, those who want to go to Russia, but they do not care about their native countries, they are ready to learn Russian to the ideal and absolutely do anything to obtain citizenship of this very "oligarchic Russia", these are those who are smarter.
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 29 December 2020 12: 44
    +3
    In fact, the list of countries that have the right to be subjective in world politics can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
    Russia is included in this list (although in the 90s it was pushed out of there by our ily themselves). Then they realized that they would not become world ilites if they did not represent one of these countries. Some of the oligarchs moved to London and some remained in Russia.
    The rest is all temporary territorial-political formations. This is reality.
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 29 December 2020 13: 18
    +3
    I read, read the article, but the questions remained: if we are so correct, white and fluffy, then why does no one love us and we have no allies?
    Or maybe just the opposite: we are not correct, we are beggars, fawning and smelly?
    1. Olezhek
      29 December 2020 14: 12
      0
      I read, read the article, but the questions remained: if we are so correct, white and fluffy, then why does no one love us and we have no allies?


      The question is not love / not love
      The question is in accounting for availability.
      According to interests
      (to avoid)
      Politics however
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 29 December 2020 13: 23
    0
    They are used to it. The USSR left a very deep mark. Everything is simple, in all cases when the "national outskirts" are worried, the Russians will come and ... they will begin to persuade and bribe. They will give money, positions, rights to the detriment of the Russians, help in everything and close their eyes to everything. The last 30 years of the existence of the USSR were just like that. Of course, the “central KGB apparatus” loomed on the horizon (the local apparatus was bought up at the root and for the most part consisted of the most corrupt local personnel).
    From the "central apparatus" the trifle was proudly fenced off with "independence". So what are the questions? Come and start licking! When they start to mow down with machine guns, they will start yelling in unison that they are "theirs"! And why are they so? In recent years, the USSR has contrived to cultivate extreme infantilism among entire peoples. Russian people suffered in the USSR, providing small peoples with a sweet life at their own expense, because they knew how to bring good baksheesh to the Central Committee. Now it's the turn of the small nations to wake up.
    Of course, we, too, Russians are still ... sorry, but what does the Russians have to do with it? In a mono-national country, we are "dear Russians". Ugh!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 December 2020 13: 42
    +1
    I agree with the author in many ways. The truth is, there is one caveat. What now exists, we built with our own hands. One thing surprises me: the closer the New Year, the more aggressive vocabulary grows in the world. And everyone considers himself right. The border troops of the USSR respected the New Day. Years. All the holidays we carried out intensive service. And in the New Year, no. Now there is nothing sacred for anyone. "Assistant professor, you have a mom, dad? .... Why are you so angry?" The seeds of national affection were sown under Gorbachev. Yeltsin signed something in Belovezhie, for which our guys may shed blood.
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 29 December 2020 13: 44
    +3
    In this interestingly told story, the main objects should be highlighted.

    A country is a territory and people living on it.

    The state is something like a computer that works according to a given algorithm. This algorithm is one and the whole state works for it.

    Politicians are specially trained, one might even say wise people whose purpose is to take care of the country, for which they use the state as a tool. The politicians have one goal - the good of the country and the people - and they all work for it.

    People - the population of the country, excluding those who work for the state, as well as politicians. The people, like the politicians, have the same opinion. Emotions dominate over the people to a much greater extent than over politicians.

    Since each group is the bearer of a common opinion, it is possible to apply a generalization and represent each group in the form of integral images:

    Country - apartment
    Parent politicians
    The people are a child
    State - computer

    Now you can tell the story in the form of an allegory.

    In 91, something happened. The parent lost his mind, quarreled with relatives and, having exchanged an apartment, separated from them, guided by the consideration that they were spending too much of his resources, and there was no practical sense from the relatives. If earlier he worked as a designer in a large research institute, now he quit his job and started selling things, drawings and other valuables accumulated over a long activity. With the money raised, the parent buys gold jewelry for himself, rides a bugatti and asks the price of the yacht. The apartment is gradually falling into decay and desolation. There has been no repair for a long time, communications have not changed, equipment breaks down more and more often, garbage is not thrown away every day. True, everything is different in the parent's office - there is valuable furniture made of Karelian birch, an ultra-modern music center and a golden-headed Faberge egg in a place of honor.

    Nobody is involved in raising a child, he is freely left to himself on the condition that he must earn a certain amount of money every day. Any activity that does not provide immediate profit is frowned upon. The parent inspires the child that the most important thing in life is money, because the one who has more money is the most respected. Therefore, the fact that the child lives from hand to mouth is good and correct, because it is effective, because the parent thus saves a lot of money that he can spend on valuable jewelry that increases his social prestige. That is why he reprogrammed the computer, which is the central link of the "smart home" system. The computer controls the entire farm according to a new and completely unique algorithm, which was presented to the parent by his new imposing friends from the glorious city of Chicago.

    It takes place in an apartment building and practical neighbors rightly believe that the story of a neighbor's insanity can in the future bring them not only valuable things that they periodically bought from him for a pittance, but also the apartment as a whole, as the main jackpot. Approximately 23 years after the onset of the illness, the deranged parent has a very large conflict with his neighbors. As a result of a nervous shock, he suddenly notices that his neighbors are somehow not treating him the way he expected. The neighbors do not respect him, despite the fact that he rides a bugatti, and a magnificent Faberge egg flaunts on the table. The parent does not understand what is the reason for such a cynical attitude, but the very attitude makes him angry and outraged.

    He reproaches his neighbors for not recognizing his greatness, because he has a lot of money and furniture in his office made of karelian birch. And then there is a beautiful yacht. Actually, all the attributes of greatness are available. Plus a glorious history, because about 80 years ago he won a major victory, the significance of which was recognized by everyone. To which the neighbors notice that it was not you who won that victory, but your ancestors who won it, the source of their greatness did not see yachts, money or Karelian birch, and moreover, they generally did not mention their greatness and did not boast of it ... The parent does not understand, gets angry again, stomps his feet, proudly demonstrates the ceiling inlaid with gold and an antique Venetian glass chandelier made by ancient masters. He shows an emaciated child in rags and galoshes, and solemnly announces that for the second week he has been eating only noodles, but his productivity has increased by 13%, which is extremely effective. In general, the parent firmly demands respect. The neighbors, seeing that the insanity does not go away, busily discuss plans for how to share the apartment in the future. The conflict is escalating.
  • didra
    didra 29 December 2020 14: 05
    -2
    Thanks to the author, good article. I would like to add on my own about the possible reasons for what is happening.
    Russia (even though the USSR is not a natural state) was defeated in 1991. The process of expansion of the republics has begun, which is not completed even now. When the inertia of this scattering dries up, the reverse process may begin. There are many influencing factors: politics, economics, military power, demography, geography, worldview-religion. It should be noted that the consciousness of people never keeps up with the "historical" events. The comprehension of history is slow and uneven. Why uneven? It is generally accepted that a modern person is smarter, more educated, more developed than a person of previous eras. That is, he thinks and acts more productively "more accurately" than his ancestors. Consequently, he quickly draws conclusions from what happened and changes approaches. However, it is not. Why? Man, by virtue of his nature, is limited. A person must navigate (in time, space, etc.). It is vital, that is, it essentially belongs (inherent) to human nature. In order to navigate, you need landmarks - a coordinate system. One of the key tasks here is the need to connect the ordinary everyday life of human life, with the apparent vastness and orderliness of the world around us. This problem is solved by cosmological systems and subsystems of different orders, for example: the theocentric picture of the world and the calendar-ritual, Newtonian-Cartesian and vitalistic (philosophy of life). These systems fill the entire spectrum of plans of perception (near, middle, distant) in the human mind. As a result, the consciousness of ANY person contains a number of prejudices that prevent us from seeing (realizing) what seems obvious to a person with a different coordinate system. Of course, these are only brief theses, but in my opinion they can explain many of the paradoxes of our time.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 29 December 2020 14: 06
    -1
    Quote: Ros 56
    And then they got used to it - let Russia, help Russia, but go to the forest.

    Russia, (the RSFSR as part of the USSR) has always been a cash cow for the other republics! These republics are accustomed to this and, having gained independence within artificially created borders, without their own experience of statehood, today they simply cannot do otherwise!
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 29 December 2020 16: 04
    -2
    A very good diagnosis, but there is no understanding of the reasons for this behavior - the burp of the USSR (Lenin's national policy), when Russia acted not in its own interests, but in the interests of others - they just got used to it ... request
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 29 December 2020 18: 52
    +2
    Some kind of compote. A representative of a Great Power complains that no one likes this power and generally offends everyone, we will find someone smaller and how we will kick it in the face.

    But in principle, the situation is quite typical. There is a certain country 1 and there is a country 2 that does not recognize the right of country 1 to sovereignty. That is, the ability of country 1 to independently decide its internal affairs. Moreover, this country 2 loves to break into neighbors with shouts of "ours are beaten".

    The moral is simple. If you are country 1, be kind to either keep an army so that country 2 bypasses you, or have friends who are ready to fit in for you. This is not often found on the globe, but it is found in many places. For those who have neither an army nor tough friends, life can turn to an unexpected side. Some of the post-USSR countries have experienced this for themselves, the rest should prepare better.
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 29 December 2020 20: 12
    +1
    > The problem was this: they basically did not hear us.
    This is not surprising, not striking, and has long been obvious. The point is that they behave exactly the way we allow ourselves to behave. We have big problems with both soft power and defending our positions. Let's say, what is still stopping us from filing in international courts for any Russophobic trick and punishing the ₽, €, $ of any bastard? What does not allow you to more convincingly explain your position to neighbors, competently / persistently / so on? The head of Rossotrudnichestvo was recently replaced, I hope soft power will improve.
  • yasher
    yasher 29 December 2020 20: 38
    +1
    Who unleashed the war, how did they suffer?
    This is the problem ...
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 December 2020 21: 16
    +5
    Russia's neighbors want to look up to those who have achieved economic success.
    Russia cannot serve as an example yet. Therefore, the neighbors are turning their eyes to Western Europe, which has reached a high standard of living for its citizens.
    1. Olezhek
      30 December 2020 07: 39
      0
      Russia's neighbors want to look up to those who have achieved economic success.
      Russia cannot serve as an example yet. So the neighbors turn their eyes


      Well, imagine, you are standing at a bus stop, reading the Forbes list ... and sincerely admire Ilita's financial achievements.
      Being in an ecstatic state, you step on the foot of a lonely gopnik, after which he hits you in the butt without further ado ...
      You fly, fall, lie ...

      I'm about that.
      But I never wanted to discredit the achievements of Roman Abramovich.
      You need and can be equal to him
      But it’s worth looking around too: the goparis are so ... sudden ...

      A joke of course. laughing

      You know that lately I have been seriously concerned about the level of education in Israel.
      You are not in Europe - if anything - you will simply be devoured - there are gopniks everywhere ...
      You just make such naive statements as much as you want to cry. crying
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 December 2020 10: 59
        +1
        "You are not in Europe - if anything - you will simply be devoured - there are gopniks around." ///
        ----
        Duc ... that's why we keep 200 modern fighter-bombers
        (a lot of money).
        Shob them, gopnikov if shtooo am
        drinks
  • Motorhead
    Motorhead 29 December 2020 23: 05
    -1
    "Ay, Pug! To know she is strong, What barks at the Elephant!"
    Apparently Russian classics have ceased to be taught in some countries, hence the problems.
  • pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 30 December 2020 00: 20
    0
    Oh well. If the former republics are doing so well in Russia, set an example.
    No need to go far.
    Crimea.
    For six years in Russia. What changed? Did ordinary people (not businessmen) get better or worse? Standard of living? Corruption? Taxes? Production? Administration? Transport? Prices? ...
    Why not analyze the join?
    Why not talk about how people live there now? Only without this stupid propaganda, the TRUTH.
    BUT ... silence. Nobody tells anything. Apparently, everything is not so rosy. Ukrainian hucksters were replaced by Russian ones. That's the whole thrill.
    To me. Belarusian, one devil - who will beat with a club, red-green or tricolor. I need a LEGAL state with valid laws and a socially protected population, with a perspective for tomorrow.
    Better Sweden or Finland, but not Russia.
    1. Camrad
      Camrad 31 December 2020 00: 22
      +2
      Yes, Crimea. In my area, a park has been bent since Soviet times, asphalt chipped and humped paths, in the evening there is no lighting, normal people were afraid to go there, drunken companies, etc. Now everything is beautiful, a modern fountain, separate paths for the promenade, separate rubber for running, exercise equipment, a huge number of benches of all kinds of creativity, excellent lighting, toilets, a million new trees and an irrigation system, service personnel. If we talk from the point of view of an alcoholic, a regular in this park of Ukrainian times, then yes, it got worse, it’s light ... the police ... a lot of people, they do not allow to drink calmly. And so in everything. https://osevastopole.ru/parki/60-letiya-sssr/
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 11 January 2021 10: 36
      +1
      No sooner had Crimea joined, as they already joked that local grandmothers would be the first to defend it from dill, after they were given Russian pensions. But you in Belarus undoubtedly know better what is happening in the Crimea. Although, objectively, you cannot send officials from Russia to the whole Crimea, and it will take a long time to get rid of the habits there. Actually, all claims to the new government arise there, precisely when it begins to restore order.

      It's just that people often get along well in their heads demanding pensions and receiving salaries in an envelope. And they are sincerely perplexed when, for such things that are very convenient for them, they suddenly begin to be taken by the ass.
  • certero
    certero 30 December 2020 02: 10
    +2
    I haven't read such an interesting and correct article here for a long time. I would like to supplement the main message of the article - for some reason, many Russians also believe that Russia should crawl under everyone and negotiate with everyone. Instead of defending your own interests in various ways, including by force
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 30 December 2020 02: 31
    +1
    In my opinion, the situation with many states in the post-Soviet space is quite simple. They are all originally an anti-Russian project. The purpose and meaning of their existence is not to defend your sovereignty but to participate in an anti-Russian project. If we consider the events from this point of view, then the questions raised by the author do not arise in this article. And further from this point of view, it follows that the statehood of such countries is not sovereign, just like the statehood of today's Russia. That is how we are alike. Found themselves in a suicidal situation. We are at war against each other and against ourselves. Resulting in? Also simple - as a result of betrayal. They betrayed themselves when they began to worship the level of consumption reached by the West. In short, they sold the Motherland for jeans and McDonald's)))) Is that so?
  • nnm
    nnm 30 December 2020 06: 31
    -3
    In my opinion, this is the best and most profound article in recent years.
    The feeling that a real pro has worked on her (it seems, Oleg, you need to say a separate thank you).
  • adler87
    adler87 30 December 2020 08: 05
    +1
    Again Ukraine and Georgia are operetta, and we are professional theater-goers.
  • peter1v
    peter1v 30 December 2020 08: 26
    +3
    Unfortunately, the topic has not been revealed at all, but what kind of ideas Russia has that no one can understand. Author, name it!
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 30 December 2020 11: 51
      0
      Unfortunately, the topic has not been revealed at all, but what kind of ideas Russia has that no one can understand.


      The idea is trivial. Like the rest. Imperialism. But in the Russian style format.
  • Aitvaras
    Aitvaras 30 December 2020 08: 59
    +2
    They gathered around Russia and all the unreasonable suddenly turned out to be, one more stupid than the other, lathered in filthy and pernicious Europe, and the bastards disdain highly spiritual values. From Estonia to Georgia, like small children and only one older brother, the smartest and greatest turned out to be, and if on the contrary, like Ivanushka, and a fool.
  • Arnaut
    Arnaut 30 December 2020 09: 52
    -1
    Why is there nothing in the article about Russia's allies Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan?
    And what about Tajikistan? And in Kyrgyzstan? And in Turkmenistan? And in Uzbekistan?
    1. Olezhek
      30 December 2020 09: 59
      0
      Why is there nothing in the article about Russia's allies Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan?
      And what about Tajikistan? And in Kyrgyzstan? And in Turkmenistan? And in Uzbekistan?


      Here's a work plan for the New Year holidays ...
      1. Arnaut
        Arnaut 30 December 2020 19: 23
        0
        Say "a", say "b".
        Is there anyone who heard Russia?
        And what is the forecast for those who have not heard, but have not yet encountered?
  • Most polite
    Most polite 30 December 2020 10: 56
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    A real Russian patriot cannot but be an imperial and fight for the expansion and deepening of Russia!


    Personally, will you be in the trenches or are you hoping for mercenaries ?? You would have arranged your territory for a start, within internationally recognized borders !!! and only then they recalled the former imperial greatness.
  • Oleg133
    Oleg133 30 December 2020 17: 43
    0
    A good text, both about NATO and about Ukraine-Georgia.
    And everything would be fine, but the Russian elite lives in the same here, and here it only works (earns), unlike the Russians.
    And the text about the Ukrainian and Georgian elite also applies to "our" elite
  • Piligrim
    Piligrim 30 December 2020 22: 47
    +1
    The author somehow imperceptibly deprived the Russian leadership and therefore the country of subjectivity. The "limitrophes" themselves have become "limitrophes", and the leaders of the Russian Federation are simply out of business here. Or maybe just that result, in relation to these countries to the Russian Federation, is the fruit of the hard work of this very leadership of the Russian Federation? Maybe it was doing just that in the sweat of its brow? And now the conjuncture has changed and ... they are at a broken trough. But they are leaders - leaders, how can they admit that their hands are growing from the wrong place, and many are not friends with their heads at all (if you look from the position of the country's interests, and not their personal ones)? So there are such articles like "I'm not guilty, he came himself!" ©
  • PPD
    PPD 31 December 2020 11: 16
    +1
    So most of these countries have lived like this before, why should something change?
    All these ideas, they say, are we feeding Russia?
    It flourished there.
    Secession was a natural reaction for people with this logic.
    It also affected that after the secession, Russia tried to improve relations, fed economically, made concessions. And this also reinforced their idea that this nonsense in which they believe is real and correct.
    And here, breaking.
    These anecdotes, us for a shot, arise from scratch. This logic cannot be persuaded. We need to pay less attention to them in general and do what is beneficial to us - the best recipe.
  • Oh_ho_ho
    Oh_ho_ho 31 December 2020 13: 17
    0
    Limitrophs: What Freedom? What kind of independence? What sovereignty? - Bait! And under it is a hook ...