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Belarusian crisis and Russia

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Alexander Lukashenko surprised me at the time. And very much. This is when he turned to Putin with a request to send "help" from the Russian security forces at the peak of the protests in Belarus.


Belarusian paradox


Wondered why? But because he directly and concretely destroyed several common myths of Belpropaganda.

The first of them was the myth about the beloved by all Belarusian people dad. The Belarusians loved Lukashenka, they loved him. And suddenly foreign troops were needed. And isn't that strange? Suddenly all old love ended? Literally cut off?

The second was the myth of independence. In terms of finance, everything was immediately clear. And much earlier. But it came down to a purely power component. And it turned out that I needed help! Urgently! And how do you want to understand this?

The third was a myth about a kind, fluffy and socially fair Belarus. Suddenly, shots and explosions rang out. Somehow, this myth also vanished by itself.


Photo: telegram channel TUT.BY

In general, August 2020 was the month of the final death of most of the common Belarusian tales. And they broke off literally in an instant. And we saw the Republic of Belarus as it really is. No sentimentality.

But there is also something else interesting ...

As a matter of fact, all these two and a half decades Lukashenka's system survived precisely due to the support of Russia. Disagreements on the Moscow-Minsk line grew. Support was dwindling. But somehow a stereotype has developed among the broad masses that Putin supports Lukashenko and that he, they say, is nowhere without Lukashenko ...

But this is already - how to say.

In general, you can say whatever you want about Putin. But, first of all, he is a rather cynical and calculating politician. And clearly does not suffer from unnecessary illusions. Unlike many other leaders in the post-Soviet space.

And the fact that all these years he maintained official relations with Lukashenka (as the head of the Republic of Belarus) does not mean anything out of the ordinary.

As for the "betrayal" on the part of Russia, one should speak out unequivocally: no one in Russia has ever sworn allegiance to the Belarusian dad.

On the other hand, some of the features of independent Belarus probably include quite sudden her claim from Russia in compensation in the amount of $ 10 billion for the Belarusian internal tax maneuver. By the way, this ally made this demand simultaneously with a hint that it would be nice to forgive $ 7 billion out of the entire total amount of future debt.

Thus, the courage of the Belarusian managers in taking loans and making strategic decisions in the economy was explained very, very simply: they were categorically not going to pay off these debts on their own.

Many experts are surprised at the rapid growth of the RB debt (since 2008). So after all, Lukashenka apparently had no intention of paying these debts from the beginning?

And then it turned out that Russia was not obliged to provide anyone with either money, security officials, or a place of residence just like that (for thanks).

Both Karabakh and Ukraine


It's just that something very similar happened with Armenia. Russia (as an ally) was remembered there after the start of a large-scale attack on Karabakh.

That's how the shells began to explode, that's how they immediately remembered. And Mr. Pashinyan suddenly started calling the Russian president.

And the insane boldness of the opposition prime minister's foreign policy was explained, it turns out, very simply: if something happens, Russia will surely save. Since she allegedly was "obliged".

Well, as a result, there was an embarrassment.

As a matter of fact, sometimes some regret that in 2014 the Russian army did not reach “Lvov”.

I must say right away that these are very strange regrets.

Why would Russia throw its resources into the mouth of someone else's war? And why do we need Ukraine such at the cost of?

Now we are seeing a conflict in Belarus. Severe internal conflict. But at the same time, none of the parties to this conflict is pro-Russian by definition.

Then why should Russia invest there seriously? Why, excuse me?

It turned out funny: objectively, in the Belarusian situation, a lot depends on Russia. But neither the authorities, nor, especially, the opposition, have ever seriously oriented themselves towards Moscow politically. And now it’s too late.

For example, here is the position of the oppositionist Tikhanovskaya on three important points:
“Crimea is Ukrainian. In Donbass there is a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. And the main partner of Belarus is the West. "

And here is what Lukashenka thinks in the same three areas:
“Crimea is Ukrainian. In Donbass there is a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. And the main partner of Belarus is the West. "

Has anyone found significant differences?

That is, in fact, today neither the one nor the other has normal communication with Moscow there. And neither the pro-government, nor the opposition.

And you know what is the most interesting thing? So after all, both those and others are now beginning to intimidate Mother Russia:

"If you don't help us, it will be worse for you."

Yeah, we got scared.

In general, of course, the Belarusian direction today looks difficult for Russia. Problems, of course, there can be "grabbed" above the roof. But with some breakthroughs, our neighbor is now very, very difficult.

And yes. Here's another thing.

The Russian security officials were denied something.

Although it was probably not so easy for the Belarusians to accept such a refusal.

That is why, apparently, they began to throw information into the Belpress so actively that, they say, those guys who work on the Belarusian streets without insignia are supposedly Russian or almost purely Dagestan OMON ...

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    1. Machito
      Machito 28 December 2020 12: 17
      +25
      Russian policy in the CIS space looks ill-considered. Turkey with its Turan is pursuing a much more far-sighted policy. Russia is late all the time. There are a lot of examples of this, at least this year: Belarus, Karabakh, Moldova.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 28 December 2020 12: 33
        -16%
        Quote: Bearded
        . Russia is late all the time. There are a lot of examples of this, at least this year: Belarus, Karabakh, Moldova.

        Russia is always late ... for the war! What I am immensely happy about! We learned to defend our interests with minimal losses both in the economy and in people ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 28 December 2020 13: 15
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          Russia is always late ... for the war!

          Better to be late than to run ahead of the cart.
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 28 December 2020 14: 16
          +15
          Russia is always late ... for the war!
          And what has Russia to do with it. For some reason Russia does not need Ukraine, at least Donbass. Karabakh is alien. But Syria, Libya, CAR, steam locomotives are running forward there.
          1. credo
            credo 28 December 2020 17: 06
            +1
            Quote: Gardamir
            Russia is always late ... for the war!
            And what has Russia to do with it. For some reason Russia does not need Ukraine, at least Donbass. Karabakh is alien. But Syria, Libya, CAR, steam locomotives are running forward there.

            Don't lie. Russia has been supporting Donbass since 2014, with all the negativity that has fallen on it from the "civilized world".
            Karabakh is not so far away for Russia, and if the politicians of Armenia and Karabakh had not broken the wood ahead of time, Russia would not have brought in peacekeepers without special need now. Now there is a reason to gain a foothold in this region and pursue our policy.
            The same applies to Syria, which we entered only in 2015, despite the fact that the war has been going on there since 2011. The situation is similar with the CAR.
            Russia did not send troops to Libya and did not send peacekeepers.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 28 December 2020 17: 24
              +1
              Russia Donbass has been supporting since 2014,
              And it was necessary to take it as the Crimea. How many people died during this "support"? How many times has the Donbass territory decreased. For a truly independent country, no “negative” (sanctions) interfere.
              Russia's interests are the main thing, not what the politicians of Armenia want. This is just a laugh in the Kremlin, they took offense at Pashinyan. Kindergarten pants with straps. Well, Erdogan is one of the main partners of the Kremlin
              For some reason they went to Syria only after the two presidents, the Russian and the American, grinded them on the sidelines of the UN.
              The information on the CAR was announced, that's just what to do there. But in Libya, only Ikhkhtamnet.
              1. credo
                credo 28 December 2020 17: 38
                +4
                Quote: Gardamir
                Russia Donbass has been supporting since 2014,
                And it was necessary to take it as the Crimea. How many people died during this "support"? How many times has the Donbass territory decreased. For a truly independent country, no “negative” (sanctions) interfere.
                Russia's interests are the main thing, not what the politicians of Armenia want. This is just a laugh in the Kremlin, they took offense at Pashinyan. Kindergarten pants with straps. Well, Erdogan is one of the main partners of the Kremlin
                For some reason they went to Syria only after the two presidents, the Russian and the American, grinded them on the sidelines of the UN.
                The information on the CAR was announced, that's just what to do there. But in Libya, only Ikhkhtamnet.

                Russia did not take Crimea, it acts within the framework of international rules, solving urgent problems to the best of its ability and capabilities.
              2. Olezhek
                28 December 2020 18: 23
                +1
                But it was necessary to take it as the Crimea. How many people died during this "support"?


                Dear: your country (Belarus) not only did not recognize Crimea, but also helped the Junta to kill Russians in the Donbass
                Success and prosperity.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 28 December 2020 18: 27
                  +4
                  your country (Belarus)
                  My country is Vyatka. Ak a cho himself, from I am Vyatskiy.
                  And I am for my country to be united, and those fragments that broke off, thanks to the Blue striving for power, should return
                2. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 29 December 2020 21: 58
                  +2
                  I read terrible things in Oleg's article:

                  “As a matter of fact, sometimes some people regret that in 2014 the Russian army did not reach“ Lvov ”.

                  I must say right away that these are very strange regrets.

                  Why would Russia throw its resources into the mouth of someone else's war? And why do we need Ukraine at such a price?

                  Now we are seeing a conflict in Belarus. Severe internal conflict. But at the same time nand one of the parties to this conflict is not pro-Russian a-priory.

                  Then why should Russia invest there seriously? Why, excuse me? "


                  Allegations that the entire population of all countries of the former USSR is united and Russophobic smacks of schizophrenia! On the contrary, in all countries of the world (even in the most totalitarian ones) there is a wide range of people's opinions. It also exists in Belarus (although the zmagars claim that all of Belarus is united against Lukashenka), it also exists in Ukraine (although the authorities, the Bandera supporters claim that Ukraine is united, Russophobic and all against Russia, many of them constantly complain about a huge number of in Ukraine, shovels and quilted jackets hostile to Ukrainians and pro-Russian).

                  And the statement about the uselessness of the Russian limitrophes? It always hides behind false concern for Russia and the Russians, for saving money, but, in fact, confirms, is an agreement to Western demand on Russia: leave behind the former republics of the USSR, leave them, we ourselves will help them become truly independent! Maybe, in fact, obey the good Western uncles and give them without a fight, abundantly watered with Russian blood and bought for a lot of money, Turkestan, the Caucasus, Bessarabia, Little Russia (since the beginning of the 20th century, called Ukraine at the request of Austria-Hungary), White-Russia , Courland, Livonia, Estland and Ostsee provinces? After all, they once surrendered Poland and Finland forever! Why Oleg and all the isolationists (a large group recently on the Runet), some out of thoughtlessness, some (the evil ones) consciously, support the West in its claims to the legitimate Russian space? what

                  A true Russian patriot of Great Russia cannot but be an imperial and fight for the expansion and deepening of Russia! yes yes yes
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 1 January 2021 15: 36
                    0
                    Russia and the new USSR with a bunch of nat. minorities hanging on the neck of the Russians and having a bunch of rights, due to their belonging to these minorities - these are two big differences. No other form of annexation other than the Russian administration, widespread training in Russian and the elimination of any nat. there will be no more privileges.
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 1 January 2021 15: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      Russia and the new USSR with a bunch of nat. minorities hanging on the neck of the Russians and having a bunch of rights, due to their belonging to these minorities - these are two big differences. No other form of annexation other than the Russian administration, widespread training in Russian and the elimination of any nat. there will be no more privileges.

                      What is "hanging"? All must work, feed themselves and benefit Russia !!!
                      1. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 1 January 2021 15: 45
                        0
                        To make them work, you need to either make them Russian, or put an overseer with a whip. The second is unreal, the first presupposes at least some kind of readiness for this, which is also not present. Well, let them ripen.
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 1 January 2021 16: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: EvilLion
                        To make them work, you need to either make them Russian, or put an overseer with a whip. The second is unreal, the first presupposes at least some kind of readiness for this, which is also not present. Well, let them ripen.

                        You probably have some particularly accurate reliable sources to confidently state this? I, for many years, daily communicating with people in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, believe that at least the majority (but not all!) Of Belarusians and Ukrainians ничем does not differ from Russians, Russians. This is exactly what we see in those parts of Russia and Ukraine, where they work and live intermingled and together. Although many people like you claim that Russians are a much higher race all Belarusians and Ukrainians. Don't you think you are wrong?
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 8 January 2021 01: 49
                        -2
                        sorry to intervene hi
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        But I, for many years daily communicating with people in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, believe that at least the majority (but not all!) Belarusians and Ukrainians are no different from Russians, Russians.

                        Well, it's basically logical. small and large growers are one people request but at the same time we must not forget that some of these Malorosov said that they were Ukrainians and not Russians. note, we didn’t identify them as Ukrainians, but they themselves decided so. and the basis of the same Ukrainians is not that they are not Russian, but that they are enemies of the Russians. Yes, these are not all who live in Ukraine and Belarus, but in the political arena we are dealing with these "we are not Russians." But what about those who seem to be "normal"? they live under this power, re-elect this power, and so on and so on. than they are better than these "we are not Russian"? ordinary collaborators. request
                      4. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 8 January 2021 12: 24
                        0
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        than they are better than these "we are not Russian"? ordinary collaborators.

                        Whether you are out of ignorance or cunning, you are confusing a lot. Either you really don’t know, or you “don’t know,” “you don’t understand.”

                        Many people often call themselves Ukrainians not because they recognize the ideas of "Ukrainianship", but because they are citizens of Ukraine today (such a state still exists) and live in it. Like Russians in Russia, Swedes in Sweden, Germans in Germany, etc. Those damned Ukrainians about whom you write are NOT Russians - Svidomites and Bandera - minority... As well as zmagarov in Belarus. Although they assure everyone that Ukraine is united in Russophobia and hatred of Russia. And Belarus is in hatred of Lukashenka. Fools believe them and the same as they, propagandists of hatred towards all Ukrainians and Belarusians.

                        And Ukraine never Was NOT and will NOT be one! There are pro-Western Westerners (minority) and pro-Russian southerners and Skhidnyaks (majority). And those southerners and skhidnyaks (in Russian - eastern), whom you call "ordinary collaborators" in 2014 found themselves (along with housing, work and families) in another country after the coup d'etat committed in Kiev by a handful of nationalists with the powerful support of the West and serene contemplation and the recognition of everything and everyone by the Russian authorities. Yes, not all of those caught in the trap were anti-Maidan fighters, they walked powerful demonstrations against the coup, burned in Odessa and Mariupol, fought and are fighting in the Donbass, abandoned everything and left for Russia into the alienated unknown. Yes, they are not passionaries, but they are NOT collaborators either. I suppose you could be one of them if you lived in / in Ukraine.

                        Not necessary mindlessly throw insults. Good?
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 9 January 2021 17: 51
                        -3
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Many people often call themselves Ukrainians not because they recognize the ideas of "Ukrainianship", but because they are citizens of Ukraine today (such a state still exists) and live in it.

                        absolutely right! and this is a fatal error. pronounced substitution of concepts. it's like the people of Germany would call themselves fascists. Ukrainians are originally, and now, an ideology, a political movement.
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Those damned Ukrainians, about whom you are writing, NOT Russian-Svidomo and Bandera-a minority. As well as zmagarov in Belarus.

                        you in the previous sentence yourself saved that they are the majority. request did you not notice or did not understand what you wrote? if a person says that he is Ukrainian, he automatically associates himself with this ideology. he directly says that "I am not Russian." the whole ideology, domestic and foreign policy of Ukraine, clearly demonstrates Russophobia and those who say that they are Ukrainians directly associate themselves with this ideology. it is they who choose these kravchuk, parashenok and zelensky and you want to say that they are all normal, "not like that" and are not to blame? then how did it all happen if they are "not like that" ??? belay
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And Ukraine has never been and will NOT be united! There are pro-Western Westerners (minority) and pro-Russian southerners and Skhidnyaks (majority). And those southerners and skhidnyaks (in Russian - eastern), whom you call "ordinary collaborators" in 2014 found themselves (along with housing, work and families) in another country after the coup d'etat committed in Kiev by a handful of nationalists with the powerful support of the West and serene contemplation and the recognition of everything and everyone by the Russian authorities.

                        did you miss something in your memory or did you miss the 90s? Under what slogans did Ukraine separate itself? whoever said that "enough to feed the USSR!" and "we are Ukrainians"? Don't mislead others and, hopefully, yourself. it began at the beginning of the last century with the creation of the Ukrainians party. this abomination was clearly manifested in the 90s, and in 2014 it was just another relapse. both at the beginning of the last century and now there are Russians ready to join the Ukrainians request
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Yes, not all of those caught in the trap were anti-Maidan fighters, they walked powerful demonstrations against the coup, burned in Odessa and Mariupol, fought and are fighting in the Donbass, abandoned everything and left for Russia into the alienated unknown. Yes, they are not passionaries, but they are NOT collaborators either. I suppose you could be one of them if you lived in / in Ukraine.
                        this is where your concept fails. these people do not hide that they are Russian. and Crimea directly stated this. wink

                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        DO NOT mindlessly throw insults. Good?

                        better let's tie up with pink snot kolisurengoy about the fact that "not all fascists wanted to fight" wink do you not notice that you are doing the same? yes, in Ukraine there are peasants who plow the land, there are workers, there are shop assistants, there are miners, and yes, this bulk of the population did not ride on the Maidan, but they all work and pay taxes to feed, dress and arm the Ukronazis who kill people in Donbass , they all choose a parashenka, Zelensky and other deputies wounded in the Dupa, and they all call themselves Ukrainians, that is, they support this ideology. do they not understand it? most likely they just don’t think about it, because it’s easier to live like this, and as long as they live like that, Ukraine will be Nazi and Russophobic. yes what you write, and known for his articles on VO, Cockroach, is an attempt to divert attention from the basis of the phenomenon, to hide the roots of what is happening.

                        oh yeah .. what about Belarus? yes, essentially the same thing. request the basis of the independence of Belarus is that they are Belarusians, not Russians, and sooner or later they will also be jumping with pots on their heads under white-red-white, fascist, rags because there is no other way to explain why they are separate from Russia request by the way, in the 90s we already rode. wink
                        Are you sure that you want this and are planning to further argue that "Ukrainian" or "Belarusian" is normal?
  2. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 28 December 2020 17: 40
    +7
    Quote: Gardamir
    But Syria, Libya, CAR, steam locomotives are running forward there.

    Syria? Well, there stroytransgaz back in 2011 or 2012, the factory owner began to build himself. In 2014, it already launched the first stage. Is it possible that Russia does not have money and soldiers to protect the good of Mr. Timchenko? lol What nonsense. The sacred duty of Russia is to protect the pockets of Timchins. yes Tsar - diamonds, uranium gold. Well, with uranium it's a dark matter, but in diamonds and gold, it seems, Prigogine decided to dig deeper. Well, how not to contribute to the pale youth, with a burning gaze? yes Libya ... Well, no comment at all. yes
    With Ukraine in general, and Donbas in particular, everything is a little more complicated. It is necessary to produce there. In the scheme familiar to our "elite" - he dug it out of the ground, pushed it over a hillock, hid the money, it fits in harder. But the interests of Russia ... And who is interested in them? In contrast to the interests of the Timchenko women?
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 January 2021 15: 36
      -2
      How often do you change your car? And how many times a year do you go abroad? And then they rob you, everyone is being taken abroad, nothing is being built.
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 1 January 2021 16: 24
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        How often do you change your car?

        Apparently you are from the sect of witnesses of the coming of Myrsydes? A sort of cargo cult? It is true that it was staffed not by wild Papuans, but by smart and educated citizens of the Russian Federation. Is that why you worship not airfields and airplanes, but roads and cars?
        So, information for. The presence or absence of a car in a person suggests that the one who is interested in this issue is a banal savage. There was such an emperor. Sasha the third. And he had exactly zero cars. And in the USA there are whole settlements of homeless people who have nothing but cowards and a car. Conclusion. Alexander the third lived worse than the last bum.
        The car, in terms of its influence on the quality of human life, is not included in the top five most important, and even clings to the top ten hardly. Honestly speaking. We got the autophiles to the limit. Praying for their car, and for its sake are ready to sell anything and everything.
        You'd better ask how many children I can afford. For one child, to raise and teach him, will cost about the heels of your beloved coffins on wheels. Well, unless, of course, you do not feed the child with one bread, and do not dress from the garbage. As one other figure recommended the other day, one of your kind.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 1 January 2021 20: 49
          -3
          I repeat the question, how often do you change your car and rest abroad? Because Putin has brought the country to such poverty that there is nowhere from cars to push through the yards, and abroad, probably, I have not been alone from the whole country, due to fierce xenophobia. We have money for a car, we have money for Turkey, and we don't have money for a child's education. Here in Nigeria and Afghanistan give birth on average 6 per woman and do not care.

          American cars, the price of which in dollars is equal to their age, do not interest me. All over the world, the growth of prosperity is reflected precisely in the growth of the passenger car market. Because a car is truly a luxury.
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 1 January 2021 22: 02
            +3
            Quote: EvilLion
            I repeat the question, how often do you change your car and rest abroad?

            I don’t change cars. For mentally healthy, unlike some. Considering a bucket of very rotten iron stuffed with poor quality nuts, a symbol of prosperity. So information for. A car is just a means of transportation. By the way, for people who are not too well off. Until I left construction, realizing that it was enough, it was time to take care of my daughters, I lived by the principle - I earn enough to take a taxi. But having noticeably lost in finances ... I had to buy your fetish, because the taxi was no longer enough. yes
            And yes, I went abroad, I was a sinner. And again for purely financial reasons. For a vacation comparable in quality to the same thaw, for example, in Russia cost, if not several times, then tens of percent more expensive. And we didn’t make money on it, even in the best times. yes
            Quote: EvilLion
            There is money for a car, there is money for Turkey, there is no money for a child's education

            I don’t know how much Turkey costs now, and I wasn’t very interested in this soup with dumplings before, but ... Although I don’t make such calculations on purpose, I can say with 101% confidence that the eldest daughter, even though she is not 10 years old, is already cost much more than my Corolla. And if you add the younger one, and remember that the main expenses are just beginning ... You can assume that I exchanged something like a couple of infinity, for the right to give birth to two daughters. yes
            Quote: EvilLion
            All over the world, the growth of prosperity is reflected precisely in the growth of the passenger car market.

            Did you celebrate the New Year with an alcohol? Clean? And now they sucked on the tap and got a second coming of happiness? Well, chew the cucumber, salty. Maybe you will stop raving. Do the words atkinson's index, gi-pee-ai, lsi, k-index and the like say nothing?
            Hmm. Oh. Wealth calculation for the nearest car market. Practically a Papuan technique that determines well-being by the number of cans hooked to the nose, ears and other parts of the body. laughing I kind of know that the average putriot not far from the cannibal, from very central Africa, left. But in order to demonstrate it like this, clearly ...
  • Civil
    Civil 29 December 2020 07: 23
    +2
    Quote: Nasr
    Russia is always late ... for the war! What I am immensely happy about! We learned to defend our interests with minimal losses both in the economy and in people ...

    Oddly enough, I will support.
  • credo
    credo 28 December 2020 16: 53
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    Russian policy in the CIS space looks ill-considered. Turkey with its Turan is pursuing a much more far-sighted policy. Russia is late all the time. There are a lot of examples of this, at least this year: Belarus, Karabakh, Moldova.

    They said A, say B - What do you think is the thought-out policy of Russia in the CIS space? Only more specificity and less general phrases.
    1. Machito
      Machito 28 December 2020 17: 15
      +4
      In my opinion, Russia's well-thought-out policy in the CIS space should be formalized in the form of a long-term program that secures our interests, supports pro-Russian political forces, citizens, educational programs, and so on. Vaughn Erdogan sings to Azerbaijan's ears: two countries - one people. And not only him. The Sultan is active in all directions up to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, only he does not climb with his Great Turan to China, there they will immediately give him a hand. And mattress makers generally declared the Solar System to be the sphere of their exclusive interests.
      And our Foreign Ministry can be called the Ministry of Concerns.
      1. credo
        credo 28 December 2020 17: 26
        0
        Quote: Bearded
        In my opinion, Russia's well-thought-out policy in the CIS space should be formalized in the form of a long-term program that secures our interests, supports pro-Russian political forces, citizens, educational programs, and so on. Vaughn Erdogan sings to Azerbaijan's ears: two countries - one people. And not only him. The Sultan is active in all directions up to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, only he does not climb with his Great Turan to China, there they will immediately give him a hand. And mattress makers generally declared the Solar System to be the sphere of their exclusive interests.
        And our Foreign Ministry can be called the Ministry of Concerns.

        Nice, but these are general phrases and nothing more.
        Well, yes, we and Belarus have a long-term program of the Union State and there have even been repeated attempts to expand and deepen its operation, the last one exactly a year ago, but only it turned out to be fruitless again.
        We made the same attempts with Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, the Republics of Central Asia. Apart from bad loans and cheap resources, all these countries want nothing more from Russia.
        The question is, what should be the program so that we have mutually beneficial cooperation with the former Soviet republics, if they do not wish to have such cooperation?
        1. Machito
          Machito 28 December 2020 17: 37
          +2
          This should be asked from Lavrov, the best foreign minister and in the presidential administration. Why is their foreign policy work unsuccessful? Maybe the problem is in the staff? Erdogan succeeds, and so does the States. And we still have things there.
          1. credo
            credo 28 December 2020 17: 58
            +3
            Quote: Bearded
            This should be asked from Lavrov, the best foreign minister and in the presidential administration. Why is their foreign policy work unsuccessful? Maybe the problem is in the staff? Erdogan succeeds, and so does the States. And we still have things there.

            And I was hoping to read your program. Apparently not fate, since you easily shifted this problem onto someone else's head.
            It’s easier than ever to blame all the problems in interstate relations on Lavrov or the administration of the President of the Russian Federation, despite the fact that there is another side of such relations that does not want to meet. Try to solve such a puzzle peacefully without resorting to blackmail, threats and military action, as the United States does. Or maybe you have a different recipe for solving it?
            By the way, what did Erdogan do there - the occupation of a part of Syria with unknown prospects, the war in Iraq and Libya without any guarantee of any success, Northern Cyprus is like a weight on its leg. What is there to envy?
        2. bayard
          bayard 1 January 2021 23: 57
          -1
          Quote: credo
          The question is, what should be the program so that we have mutually beneficial cooperation with the former Soviet republics, if they do not wish to have such cooperation?

          Is it not obvious to you what the program should be?
          All loans, sales markets and assistance in the foreign policy arena should be associated with the promotion of Russian interests in support of the Russian-speaking population, pro-Russian parties and forces, obligations regarding the Russian language (the language of interethnic communication with compulsory study), the protection of Russian schools, communities, parties. In pursuing a pro-Russian foreign and domestic policy coordinated with Russia. Integration into the Eurasian Union.

          Are you glad that Russia did not take control of Ukraine in 2014? When did the overwhelming majority of the population expect this and when did the legitimate President Yanukovych ask? When did the rupture of production and cooperation chains lead to a collapse in a number of weapons programs, energy, ... entire industries (aircraft construction, shipbuilding ...)?
          But you support the introduction of Russian troops into Syria, which is our friend, but ... not a brother at least.
          In the CAR?
          To Libya? (just don’t say that none of ours died there, did not fight ... there were friends of my friends, and many did not return)
          To Karabakh, which had to be returned to Azerbaijan long ago (!).
          If necessary - FORCE.
          And this would not in the least harm relations with Armenia - this is a suitcase without a handle and pathological traitors, beggars and provocateurs.
          But with Azerbaijan it would ... very much help. And there would be no Turks there this fall with their "Bayraktar" and special forces, and the purely economic benefits would be many times greater than they are now.
          And now there is a shot down Russian helicopter and complete silence with the investigation of the circumstances.
          And Turks in Transcaucasia!
          Are you sure that it really turned out better and that it is in the interests of Russia?

          And you still think that in Syria, Libya, CAR and Karabakh, we ... owe something ... to someone?
          Or that Russia has more interests in these distant and not very rich countries than in Ukraine?
          Or that the operation to pacify the fascist rebellion in Ukraine would have taken more manpower and resources than in Syria?
          Not !
          Russia had a chance to restore its historical (!) Territorial integrity in 2014! But instead of rational and natural actions in such a situation, the Kremlin decided to come to an agreement with the enemy, to recognize the putschists-fascists as legal power belay No. , and even when the conspiratorial regime itself was ready to RUN from the country at the first movements of the Russian troops, followed ... a hasty and treacherous Minsk Agreement.
          And Russia immediately received full payment for its betrayal (Russia always pays for the Kremlin's betrayals) in the form of sanctions, isolation (no matter how they laughed at it, but there was a lot of tape at the "isolation wards"), military and political pressure on all fronts and completely reckless and unrestricted propaganda against the negotiated Kremlin.

          All of these consequences COST what was "agreed"?
          Disruption of all programs and the collapse of the aircraft industry?
          Disruption of programs in military shipbuilding?
          Delays and problems (quite significant) in the construction of a series of nuclear icebreakers and in nuclear power (turbines).
          And many many others .
          The cumulative losses from all this have already accumulated, perhaps under a trillion dollars, over these 7 years.
          And the enemy now (the Nazis) stands near Voronezh and Belgorod, near Rostov and Taganrog.
          And with a cast-iron roar, ALL plans to create the Eurasian Union collapsed !!!
          And looking at this WEAKNESS and AGREEMENT with the enemy, the former allies and potential members of the Eurasian Union, look at Russia no longer even with amazement belay , but with contempt, as at a terminally ill, after whom they were going to go to "bright tomorrow" quite recently.

          It was necessary to negotiate not with national elites (pragmatic diplomatic relations were needed with them), but with pro-Russian forces and parties that needed to be nurtured, organized and even simply created.
          Because OUR PEOPLE are there.
          OUR LAND, watered with the blood of our ancestors.
          VIRTUALLY IMPORTANT interests (assets, businesses, ports, geography - the borders should be pushed as far west as possible).
          There are our MARKETS!
          Our defense capability - with such an Army, as now you can't fight much - the Ground Forces are ONLY 280 thousand people! ... for all !!! ... tank, army air defense, engineering, rear services ...
          And with such a number to intermeddle in the CAR?
          For diamonds, gold, uranium?
          And now, purely for the sake of interest, add to this ... the army of Ukraine. Not Bandera.
          And if we also add the Belarusian one (not great, but combat-ready).
          These are all RUSSIAN PEOPLE!
          And if the economy?
          Taking into account synergy?
          In the same Latvia, Russians / Russian speakers are from 30 to 40 percent ... In Lithuania there are fewer, but also a lot ...
          And geography shows that without a solution to the issue of tribobalts, Russia will not find stability and peace at the borders.

          Now look at WHAT has been done over the past 7 years to address these issues ...
          Aren't they too "cunning plans" that cost Russia and the entire post-Soviet space so dearly?
          Has Russia solved at least one problem, at least one problem during this time?
          And if not, WHY?
          And who is to blame for this?
          Who is guilty that the Chinese have already taken half of the taiga to China, leaving behind a desert and the remains of a sick (already) forest? ...

          And on the New Year, literally fantastic news fell on the Russians' heads - in the next 3 years, the authorities intend to spend on investments ... 39 trillion rubles ... They don't say where they came from, apparently the oligarchs from offshore companies returned and decided to help the suffering Motherland ... this is about 550 billion dollars ...
          Would anyone believe that?
          Now a bridge will probably be built not only to Sakhalin, but also to Hokkaido ...
          But how can we protect all this wealth? Back in the XNUMXs, the local military was nicknamed "Rybnadzor". For power and combat effectiveness ...

          ... The CAR is certainly closer to us than the Russians of Donbass and Ukraine, than the Russians of Belarus, sandwiched between the zmagars and the nationalist Lukashenko.
          Diamonds are more interesting than Ukrainian enterprises, its ports, transit routes (and for gas too), black soils and the MARKET ...
          Isolationism ... always leads to defeat, for it reduces forces and leads to degradation.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 1 January 2021 15: 31
    0
    You certainly know better. By the way, what's wrong with Karabakh? We should have stood up for him? Yes, let them kill each other, Azerbaijan at least does not run over us.
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 28 December 2020 12: 41
    -12%
    I forgot how many Lukashenka fans are here ... laughing
  • URAL72
    URAL72 28 December 2020 13: 30
    -3
    "This rat will stick a knife in the back at the first opportunity."

    This is called politics. Why are Americans, Angles, China, India better? But in general, the article is just emotions, the author is about to pull an owl on a globe ...
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 28 December 2020 14: 19
      +1
      Politics is never betting on one horse. And this position "who but the Old Man" will end up with an ardent nationalist in power.
  • Civil
    Civil 28 December 2020 13: 49
    +3
    There is only one correct way out of this confrontation for Russia - the election of a new, but pro-Russian president. But how to do that? Lukashenka won't give up power so easily, while Belarusians see the difference in the standard of living in the EU and the Russian Federation, therefore they strongly doubt the prospects of obtaining Moscow citizenship.
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 28 December 2020 14: 13
      +1
      It is better for them to look at the Ukrainian standard of living. laughing
    2. Olezhek
      28 December 2020 18: 19
      0
      There is only one correct way out of this confrontation for Russia - the election of a new, but pro-Russian president. But how to do that?


      No, Russia does not have enough political influence in Belarus

      and Belarusians see a difference in the standard of living in the EU and the Russian Federation


      So what?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 January 2021 15: 33
        0
        As a matter of fact, the Belarusian is no longer fundamentally distinguishable from the Urainian, who boasts of other people's achievements.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 28 December 2020 20: 38
    +4
    Quote: Sahalinets
    Yes, with the mustache, everything was clear for a long time. This rat will stick a knife in the back at the first opportunity. And actually the last elections may have been an attempt to technically replace him with a more sane president (Babariko?). But as we can see, dad got angry. And now there is such a dead end. To support this bastard seems to be reluctant, but on the other hand, extremely unsympathetic faces ...

    Several things are reliably known about the "father":
    1 "He is now a purely nominal leader.
    2 "He lies to everyone. Both his own and others. Both Russia and the West.
    3 “On his claims and“ sanctions ”against Ukraine: as I refueled with Belarusian gasoline 10 years ago, I still refuel. And I live in Odessa.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 28 December 2020 12: 10
    +7
    Well, everyone who thinks, analyzes, has long ago decided on the situation - NOTHING STILL ENDED.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 28 December 2020 12: 41
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      NOTHING STILL ENDED.

      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 December 2020 12: 59
        +3
        Where else to store the "Motherland's bins"?
  • tatra
    tatra 28 December 2020 12: 13
    +4
    You can scold Lukashenka as much as you like, but if the citizens of Russia are patriots, and not enemies of Russia, then they perfectly understand that the alternative to Lukashenka in the power of Belarus is only pro-Western Russophobes.
    1. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 12: 53
      -4
      And he is the same Lithuanian as his fellow citizens.
      He smiles in his face, but hates himself inwardly.
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 28 December 2020 14: 12
      +3
      Is not a fact. We just haven't looked well yet.
      1. tatra
        tatra 28 December 2020 14: 29
        0
        If at the moment the real alternative is only those who rage against Lukashenka, led by pro-Western Russophobes, then there is no need for senseless verbiage.
        1. Olezhek
          28 December 2020 18: 18
          +2
          If at the moment the real alternative is only those who rage against Lukashenka, led by pro-Western Russophobes, then there is no need for senseless verbiage.


          That is, now you will convincingly prove to me that Lukashenka is the people's leader
          and Lukashenko is pro-Russian ??
          As the saying goes: I listen carefully. belay
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 01: 51
      +1
      Which he himself raised as a counterweight to Russia.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 28 December 2020 12: 20
    -3
    The article is more than strange, this should be published in the Baltic media
  • Gato
    Gato 28 December 2020 12: 25
    +3
    But at the same time, none of the parties to this conflict is pro-Russian by definition.
    Then why should Russia invest there seriously? Why, excuse me?

    Strange formulation of the question. Opponents invest there and do not ask such questions - so the results are evident in Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia. And the absence of pro-Russian forces among the parties to the conflict, apparently, is also a consequence of such a policy of some strange isolationism. Well, yes, there is a rug in front of your apartment door - and you don't care about that request
    1. Olezhek
      28 December 2020 17: 56
      +1
      Opponents invest there and do not ask such questions - so the results are evident in Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia. And the absence of pro-Russian forces among the parties to the conflict,


      1 Opponents do not invest in the Belarusian or Ukrainian economy in general
      And they are not going to do it

      2 They invest strictly in the forces that advance their interests.
      Americans are investing in pro-American forces. Something like this

      If there are no pro-Russian forces (and why?) Then there is no one to invest in.
      1. Gato
        Gato 28 December 2020 19: 10
        0
        Do you seriously think that there are no pro-Russian forces in Belarus and Ukraine?
        At the very least, there is a business that is tied to Russia - at least, not to mention the political forces, but for some reason some part of the Russian population does not like their support.
        Don't know why?
        1. Olezhek
          28 December 2020 20: 31
          +2
          Do you seriously think that there are no pro-Russian forces in Belarus and Ukraine?


          Specifically in Belarus, tell us about the pro-Russian forces.
          I will listen
          Not only about the economy, but about politics
          We ran a lot with euro rags, if cho
        2. cmax
          cmax 28 December 2020 23: 10
          0
          Quote: Gato
          Do you seriously think that there are no pro-Russian forces in Belarus and Ukraine?
          At the very least, there is a business that is tied to Russia - at least, not to mention the political forces, but for some reason some part of the Russian population does not like their support.
          Don't know why?

          Do you seriously think that Belarus has an independent economy and, as a result, pro-Russian forces? I will tell you a "secret" that all more or less significant enterprises (oil refining, potash salts, banks, tobacco business, construction business, metallurgy, transport, etc.) have long been supervised by the family. We see everything here. Only independent entrepreneurs can and few restaurateurs, but they do not make the weather in the country.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 28 December 2020 12: 26
    0
    Belarus and the rest of the CIS are our phantom popoboli, something very few if not all the countries of this CIS have to us only the principle of give and ry owes, and we are like brothers to them, etc. and so on. Something the same Japanese about the lost Korea and other Manzhou go do not worry much and do not burn (brotherly love) to their former lands. We have to get used to living within our own borders and spit on neighbors, with a mandatory demonstration of strength, so that they know and are afraid to stir up something that is on our territory, they know that a response will arrive in a targeted manner and hurt. And the country is tired of feeding someone, if you remove the import, it will feed a few of its own.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 28 December 2020 12: 35
    +5
    An interesting topic ...
    As for the "betrayal" on the part of Russia, one should speak out unequivocally: no one in Russia has ever sworn allegiance to the Belarusian dad.
    Maybe someone did not take the oath, but what about this?
    The Union State is the supra-state of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus with a unified political, economic, military, customs, currency, legal, humanitarian and cultural space being gradually organized.

    Also in the press there are the names of the Union of Russia and Belarus (SRB), the Union State of Russia and Belarus (SRB), the Union of Belarus and Russia, the Union State of Belarus and Russia. A common holiday is the Day of the Unity of the Peoples of Belarus and Russia (celebrated since April 2, 1997).


    Yet,
    And then it turned out that Russia was not obliged to provide anyone with either money, security officials, or a place of residence just like that (for thanks).

    At the same time, over the past 10 years, Russia has forgiven other countries 71 billion 594 million dollars, this is not counting the 20 billion written off to African countries.

    What is the difference? The difference is that there is something that the West strongly advises our government, and there is something that the West does not advise our very independent government. For example, it was necessary to recognize the results of the elections in Ukraine, held by the organizers of the anti-constitutional coup d'état, under the patronage of the US State Department and the CIA. It was enough for Didier Burkhalter to visit Moscow. The Banderaites were recognized by the entire south-east of Ukraine. what Russia was essentially thrown, not recognizing the referendums in the Donbass.

    Ukraine was pumped, having a legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov, is the turn of the allied Belarus?
    In general, national interests cost money, time and effort. If you expect that "bananas" themselves should fall into the mouth, we will remain surrounded by a hostile ring. The old man of our oligarchs does not allow Belarus to be robbed, to optimize and reduce healthcare, education and industry, so Lukashenko is bad.

    I did not like the article.
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 28 December 2020 12: 40
      +3
      And we should continue to support Luka gratuitously, who even this spring kissed Pompeo and graciously agreed to buy oil from us for three (3 !!!) dollars? Yes, with such a friend, you can no longer look for enemies ...
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 28 December 2020 13: 05
        +6
        Quote: Sahalinets
        Yes, with such a friend, you can no longer look for enemies ...
        And who else is still friends and allies with us, maybe it's not about Lukashenka?
        1. Sahalinets
          Sahalinets 28 December 2020 13: 37
          -1
          Or maybe you don't need such "friends"? Has this ally recognized Crimea as Russian?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 28 December 2020 14: 07
            +8
            Has this ally recognized Crimea as Russian?
            Gref didn’t acknowledge him and don’t say a word across.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 01: 58
          0
          Certainly not in Lukashenka. The point is in the economic system we came to in 1991. And within the framework of this system, Lukashenka, even if he were not so multi-vector, simply must be multi-vector. And as an anti-Soviet and a Russophobe, otherwise the meaning of the collapse of the Union is not at all danced. Except through the idea of ​​temporary famines and oppression by sworn Russia under all regimes, but especially, of course, under the bloody regime of sworn komunyaks who oppressed the great Litvin.
      2. tatra
        tatra 28 December 2020 13: 16
        -4
        Do you have the best alternative for Russia to Lukashenko in the power of Belarus? After all, NO.
        1. Sahalinets
          Sahalinets 28 December 2020 13: 32
          0
          Babariko, for example.
          1. tatra
            tatra 28 December 2020 13: 39
            +1
            And why is this Babariko better than Lukashenko for RUSSIA?
            1. Sahalinets
              Sahalinets 28 December 2020 14: 14
              +3
              Well, at least the fact that he was promoted by Russia. But Luca climbed to the throne himself.
              1. tatra
                tatra 28 December 2020 14: 27
                -2
                Give an example when this
                he was Russia and promoted
                ... AND WHAT FOR?
        2. cmax
          cmax 28 December 2020 23: 20
          +2
          Quote: tatra
          Do you have the best alternative for Russia to Lukashenko in the power of Belarus? After all, NO.

          There is, Mr. Babaryko, a presidential candidate in the 2020 elections, a banker of Gazprombank, who is now sitting and whom Russia has successfully surrendered, and the bank has lost more than $ 2 billion in its branch, as the press wrote. Probably useful. Look at the history of candidates for the presidency of the Republic of Belarus nominated in the period 2009-2020. More than half were convicted under various pretexts, the rest of the individuals for betraying the legitimacy of the elections.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 December 2020 14: 10
        +4
        Yes, with such a friend
        It's a good thing to call someone a friend first, and then say a bad friend. Look, the Americans are partners and how good it is, they are sanctioned by Russia, and Russia is their space engines ...
    2. Olezhek
      28 December 2020 18: 17
      0
      It was enough for Didier Burkhalter to visit Moscow. The Banderaites were recognized by the entire south-east of Ukraine. what Russia was essentially thrown, not recognizing the referendums in the Donbass.


      Zabavchenko - Belarusians who did not recognize Crimea and Abkhazia and helped the Junta kill Russians in Donbass criticize Russia with might and main for not being sufficiently active in Ukraine.
    3. Olezhek
      29 December 2020 07: 36
      -1
      At the same time, over the past 10 years, Russia has forgiven other countries 71 billion 594 million dollars, this is not counting the 20 billion written off to African countries.


      Comrade Belarusians
      two valuable tips:
      1 Stop counting other people's money
      2 Start earning your own.

      Profit: you will succeed! good
  • demo
    demo 28 December 2020 12: 42
    -1
    But, first of all, he is a rather cynical and calculating politician. And clearly does not suffer from unnecessary illusions.
    Putin is a rather sentimental person. But he is also pragmatic.
    All the current confidants are those with whom he either served, or studied, or in the cooperative "Ozero" made a living.
    As a matter of fact, sometimes some regret that in 2014 the Russian army did not reach “Lvov”.
    I must say right away that these are very strange regrets.
    Why would Russia throw its resources into the mouth of someone else's war? And why do we need Ukraine at such a price?

    Smart people do not need to punch walls with their head.
    The history of the Russian state is rich in such examples that can and should be taken into service.
    For example.
    Who took Kazan? Ivan groznyj.
    Who did you take it with? With an army.
    And who was in his army? Definitely not only Moscow archers.
    The Russian army was represented by all kinds of troops: cavalry, archers, Tatar detachments of Khan Shigaley, Mordovian and Circassian soldiers, as well as foreign mercenaries: Germans, Italians, Poles. The noble cavalry constituted the main force of the tsarist army. According to the "Kazan Chronicle", 10 thousand Mordovian soldiers took part in the siege, as part of more than half a million Russian troops near Kazan. This source is not considered reliable by many researchers.
    So today, both in Ukraine and beyond its borders, it was possible to gather those who did not like what happened.
    However, I checked myself - it's a bit late today
    In '14 it was just right.
    But preparation was needed. Which is preceded by the competent management of their state. And who is literate in our leadership?

    With a fool, the Russians could have been put down on the way to Lvov.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 28 December 2020 14: 06
      +4
      And why do we need Ukraine at such a price?
      Why do you need Siberia and the Urals? Why do you need the Kuban and the Volga region ?. Yes, Russia collapsed in 1991, but not all. Once Smolensk was a Russian city, and then it moved away for a hundred years, now it is Russian again. People like you are posing as patriots, but Ukraine or Belarus is not a Kemsk volost, these are the same Russian lands as Voronezh and Arkhangelsk.
    2. Olezhek
      28 December 2020 17: 57
      0
      According to the "Kazan Chronicler", 10 thousand Mordovian soldiers took part in the siege, as part of more than half a million Russian troops near Kazan. This source is not considered reliable by many researchers.
      So today, both in Ukraine and abroad, it was possible to gather those who do not like what happened.


      You know - somehow not very definitely ...
      Blurred ...
      1. demo
        demo 28 December 2020 21: 52
        0
        We, after all, are not given to know everything.
        So we blur it.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 02: 04
      0
      Dap, lope there were people ?! Why not a half-billion army? You would have cut the sturgeon. Not epic enough? And don't fucking scatter the Mordovians. These are people for you, not some biden with Clintons and Obams. They also found cannon fodder. Patriot understand Russia from Dolgoprudny to Domodedovo.
      1. demo
        demo 29 December 2020 08: 44
        0
        The source is not credible.
        It's enough?
        Mordovy does not intend to scatter.
        She is ours, delighted.
        I do not live in the Dolgoprudny area to Domodedovo.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 28 December 2020 12: 43
    +6
    Quote: rocket757
    Well, everyone who thinks, analyzes, has long ago decided on the situation - NOTHING STILL ENDED.

    It’s not that it’s not over, but it’s just that it hasn’t really started yet on the part of Russia. The Russian Federation forced the West to lay out its "trump cards" ahead of time - this is on the one hand. On the other hand, the citizens of the Republic of Belarus had to open their eyes wider and understand that the mythical socialism of the Republic of Belarus was based on loans from the Russian Federation. And this means that it is necessary either to really unite with the Russian Federation into a single state, or to remain hostage to the West and to experience all the "independence" like neighbors from the outskirts. And just like that, no one wants to give the Republic of Belarus to be devoured by the West in the Russian Federation, but they will not forcibly attach it either. Here, either the common sense of the people will triumph over cunning, or they will become another makeweight to the rotten Outskirts under the dictates of the West, which always gently lays down, but then he brings his "sons of bitches" to power, and the people will keep silent with the help of local Poland and the Baldia with the money of Western guardians. If the RB does not really decide this moment of truth in its own favor, and not in favor of the Western democratizers, then the RB, in unity with the RF, has a real chance to survive and not become a puppet of the West, like the Outskirts.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 December 2020 13: 06
      +2
      Quote: Vlad5307
      Not that it hasn't ended, but just that it hasn't really started yet on the part of Russia

      And from the side of serious, foreign guys, nothing really was done.
      Local "pugs" fussed in advance, BUT, did not shmogla.
      Nothing, here the "can" and his henchmen will establish themselves on the hill, then just hold on.
      Russia .... if again only the concern will be shown and on agreements with the local, upper, hope .... you can expect another flight, such as plywood over Paris.
  • armannu
    armannu 28 December 2020 12: 51
    -5
    Clear article.
    I agree with everything.
    More to such.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 28 December 2020 12: 53
    +12
    As a matter of fact, for all three and a half decades on the territory of the former USSR, not a single strong interstate association has been created. The CIS, someone left it, and between someone there was even a military conflict, the Union State of Russia and Belarus, despite the signed documents, in fact, never took place. There was a lot of talk about the EurAsEC, but it turned out to be politically unstable, in Kyrgyzstan alone, coups are constant, the struggle of clans does not fade. The existing elites and the existing system on the territory of the former USSR cannot create anything constructive, in terms of economic communities, unions.
    1. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 13: 01
      -6
      Despite the coups, Kyrgyzstan adheres to a pro-Russian position.
      And the majority of Kyrgyz speak Russian, as it were, better than the Belarusians and ukrov.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 28 December 2020 13: 05
        +6
        Those. coups the basis of economic and political stability?
        1. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 13: 08
          -4
          Perhaps, as an analogue of the Western "swing".
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 28 December 2020 17: 22
        +2
        Well, not better, do not exaggerate. The majority of Belarusians either do not know how to speak Belarusian, or know it at the most primitive level.
        1. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 17: 27
          0
          I did not communicate with Belarusians.
          So I shouldn't have mentioned them.
          Ukrainians constantly have an unpleasant accent and small-town words and expressions ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 28 December 2020 17: 29
            +1
            Not all of them have those who speak pure literary Russian.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 28 December 2020 13: 09
      +6
      And who from the top needs it, the strong friendship of peoples ???
      They are already rustling in their "estates" not without benefit, for their loved ones.
      What if the peoples, united, will remember something wrong ???
      Do the current barons need it?
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 28 December 2020 13: 09
    +11
    It is quite possible that this summer it finally became obvious to someone that Belarus is a bourgeois republic with a capitalist economic system, which means that there will always be dissatisfied people in Belarusian society, whom external forces can use in their own interests. And the fact that in Belarus state capitalism, and not a wild oligarchic one like in the Russian Federation, cannot radically improve the situation of an ordinary person. Accordingly, when a real threat arises to the system, the police, as usual, come to the fore, whose main task in any bourgeois state is to protect the monopoly of power from the encroachments of the people. If someone looked at the situation somehow differently, then rose-colored glasses interfere with him.

    The other is surprising. When, finally, strange and non-specific phrases like "Russia owes nothing to anyone" and "why should Russia spend resources on this" will be replaced with much more precise and specific phrases, namely:
    "Russian oligarchs owe nothing to anyone" and "why would Russian oligarchs waste resources on this?"
    Because the phrases in this formulation clearly explain not only the foreign policy of the Russian state, but also the internal one. To the extreme tired of watching how propagandists in the interests of the oligarchs try to redirect the initiative of any state decision either to the fabulous and non-existent in reality the primordial image of "Mother Russia", or to the galactic emperor, who plans for a long time, if not for millennia, then for centuries so exactly, which means that all the decisions made are correct and everything is under control. This daily imposed mythology is really boring.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 28 December 2020 13: 31
    0
    [Quote
    Has anyone found significant differences?

    That is, in fact, today neither the one nor the other has normal communication with Moscow there. And neither the pro-government, nor the opposition.

    And you know what is the most interesting thing? So after all, both those and others are now beginning to intimidate Mother Russia:

    “If you don’t help us, it will be worse for you.”] [/ Quote] It has always been this way. If you do not support a regime similar to now, then tomorrow your similar regime will collapse.
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 28 December 2020 13: 44
      +1
      If you do not support a regime similar to now, then tomorrow your similar regime will collapse.


      Everything is simpler. He who is not with us is against us.
      For example, either Poland is with us in the Warsaw bloc and then its resources cannot be used by our enemies against us, or Poland is not with us in the NATO bloc, and then our enemies will use Poland's resources against us.

      In this paradigm, an ally that we lose tends to become our enemy.

      Therefore, the concept "Russia is that country and is not needed for nothing" was formulated by the enemies of the Russian Federation to weaken it and put into the mouths of propagandists who position themselves as allegedly patriots of the Russian Federation.
      Ultimately, any phrase like "why is the Russian Federation over there?"
    2. Olezhek
      28 December 2020 17: 58
      0
      It has always been that way. If you do not support a regime similar to now, then tomorrow your similar regime will collapse.


      What are you talking about?
  • iouris
    iouris 28 December 2020 13: 53
    +5
    Quote: "And you know what is most curious? So after all, both those and others are now beginning to intimidate Mother Russia:" End of quote.
    To whom she is "mother", and to whom ... otherwise. Comrade is a writer. Now everyone is a writer. This is not England - you have to dig deeper and more thoroughly. In general, the comrade does not understand that the "Belarusian crisis" is a continuation of the collapse of the USSR, which was Russia.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 28 December 2020 13: 57
    0
    Quote: A_Lex
    If you do not support a regime similar to now, then tomorrow your similar regime will collapse.


    Everything is simpler. He who is not with us is against us.
    For example, either Poland is with us in the Warsaw bloc and then its resources cannot be used by our enemies against us, or Poland is not with us in the NATO bloc, and then our enemies will use Poland's resources against us.

    In this paradigm, an ally that we lose tends to become our enemy.
    Therefore, the concept "Russia is that country and is not needed for nothing" was formulated by the enemies of the Russian Federation to weaken it and put into the mouths of propagandists who position themselves as allegedly patriots of the Russian Federation.
    Ultimately, any phrase like "why is the Russian Federation over there?"

    The point is in the mode. The mode is the observance of the rules. There is no friendship and support. One for another cracks, but not together .. This is not a union and friendship. In this situation, there will be no allies and alliances.
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 28 December 2020 14: 05
      +4
      Regime is following the rules


      Every rule system has an owner. NATO is a tool that serves American rules that serve the interests of the United States. Accordingly, any country in NATO will, one way or another, work in the interests of the United States and will definitely not work in the interests of the Russian Federation, because the notorious rules will not allow a NATO member. And already the United States will be vigilant to ensure that the rules it has established are observed.
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 28 December 2020 14: 17
        0
        Not the system, but the regime, and this is not about NATO, about the crisis between the two countries. More precisely, with whom the work is being carried out.
        1. A_Lex
          A_Lex 28 December 2020 14: 23
          +4
          Not a system, but a mode


          The regime is engaged in pursuing a policy in society that implements in practice a certain system of rules.

          And it's not about NATO, about the crisis between the two countries.


          The crisis between the two countries is driven by different rules.
          In the Russian Federation - the regime of oligarchic capitalism. In Belarus, the regime of state capitalism.
          The Russian regime would like to appropriate the attractive assets of Belarus into the ownership of the Russian oligarchs. What the regime in Belarus, for obvious reasons, cannot agree, because then this regime will lose the remnants of its attractiveness in the eyes of the Belarusian society, the adequate part of which rightly believes that it is better to state capitalism than oligarchic.
          1. ximkim
            ximkim 28 December 2020 14: 37
            +2
            ) Hike, the reasons are clear .. that the union will not happen.
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 28 December 2020 14: 43
              +3
              Hike, the reasons are clear .. that the union will not happen.


              If in the Russian Federation there is not even a change, but an adjustment of the regime towards state capitalism, which in itself will be a giant step forward, then the union will be created almost immediately. True, for this you need to show the supreme political will, after 30 years of total impotence.

              The funniest thing about this situation is that in the last 15 years there has been powerful pro-state propaganda in the Russian Federation, which is exactly what was calculated from the sovereign Soviet propaganda, while it is constantly kept silent that the Russian state is controlled by oligarchs, using it in their personal interests.
              1. Olezhek
                28 December 2020 18: 12
                +1
                that the state of the Russian Federation is controlled by oligarchs, using it in their personal interests.


                And so the Belarusian ideologists raided and started a song about the evil Russian alegarchs
                For the villagers, I would like to inform you that there are oligarchs in Ukraine too.
                Just don't write about them in the Belarusian press
                There are oligarchs in Europe.
                In the USA, in Latin America, in Japan ...

                So it goes.
                1. A_Lex
                  A_Lex 28 December 2020 18: 58
                  -2
                  And so the Belarusian ideologists raided and started a song about the evil Russian alegarchs


                  You don't have to continue further. When a person distorts words in such a way, in an attempt to make an impression, it immediately becomes clear that there is no sense or specifics behind such a posture and chatter.
            2. Olezhek
              29 December 2020 07: 33
              0
              Hike, the reasons are clear .. that the union will not happen.


              That is, will you decide whether or not to be a union?
              In one face?
              Mustachioed no longer pulling?
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 December 2020 13: 57
    +1
    And suddenly foreign troops were needed.
    Only Yeltsin's lovers can say that. Yes, we are temporarily separated, so what.
    In general, they would return the minuses to the authors, so there would be a real rating of the authors.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 28 December 2020 14: 24
      +5
      Propaganda has worked very well in Belarus. The society is clearly apolitical and mostly for Russia is now bifurcated. Plus, the president of the siloviki made the guardsmen. And the anger that comes out of the security forces (they beat normally) goes to the Russian Federation. For the regime and the security forces were supported by the Russian Federation. The West is pulling the electorate over to itself.
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 28 December 2020 14: 28
        +4
        Plus, the president of the siloviki made the guardsmen. And the anger that comes out of the security forces (they beat normally)


        Belarus is not a fabulous state about purple ponies. And the usual bourgeois republic.
        In the USA, in France, in Poland they beat in the same way, if not worse. Moreover, they beat me quite recently, throughout 2020. But crazy fans of purple ponies do not notice at all how they beat in the USA, France and Poland. But they suddenly notice the exceptional atrocities taking place in Belarus. One-sided perception of reality is essentially the same madness.
        1. Olezhek
          28 December 2020 18: 08
          +2
          Belarus is not a fabulous state about purple ponies. And the usual bourgeois republic.
          In the USA, in France, in Poland they beat in the same way, if not worse.


          Yah?
          Is it a bourgeois republic?
          Lukashist republic - more precisely.

          In the USA, France and Poland, no one expresses doubts about legitimacy of power.
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 28 December 2020 18: 55
            -1
            Lukashist republic - more precisely.


            This is a typical Western fairytale interpretation, which labels any variant that does not suit them as "dictatorship." And the fact that Russian liberals methodically sing along with this interpretation for whom the West has always been and will be the ideological center, it would be nothing new.

            nobody expresses


            Nobody, nowhere, ever, everything, everywhere, always are typical generalizations that demagogues use to assert with the help of sophistry assumptions that they are not able to confirm factually.
            1. Olezhek
              28 December 2020 20: 11
              +1
              Nobody, nowhere, never, everything, everywhere, always - typical generalizations that demagogues use to assert


              In the USA, France, Poland, Protestants are harshly kicking the current government.
              Which they in principle recognize
              Somehow, no one can understand that protests are not always the demolition of power
              Sometimes protests are protests.

              Yes - in France, the police are chasing Protestants and in Belarus
              This is the similarity
              But there is democracy in France, and there is nothing in Belarus
              That is the difference.
              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 29 December 2020 00: 17
                0
                In the USA, France, Poland, Protestants are harshly kicking the current government.


                In the USA, France, Poland, people who came out to protest were beaten by the police as standard. As always happens in any bourgeois republic. Tales about "kicking power hard" are ordinary tales.

                But there is democracy in France, and there is nothing in Belarus


                The term "democracy" currently refers to the indirect control of the state by the oligarchs through puppet politicians in parliament.

                "There is nothing in Belarus" - and this is a completely meaningless phrase, typical of any liberal who cannot clearly, clearly and specifically characterize reality, and therefore has to resort to using figurative and therefore meaningless expressions.
        2. cmax
          cmax 28 December 2020 23: 34
          -1
          Quote: A_Lex
          Plus, the president of the siloviki made the guardsmen. And the anger that comes out of the security forces (they beat normally)


          Belarus is not a fabulous state about purple ponies. And the usual bourgeois republic.
          In the USA, in France, in Poland they beat in the same way, if not worse. Moreover, they beat me quite recently, throughout 2020. But crazy fans of purple ponies do not notice at all how they beat in the USA, France and Poland. But they suddenly notice the exceptional atrocities taking place in Belarus. One-sided perception of reality is essentially the same madness.

          Perhaps they are beating a lonely person, only there presidents have not been sitting in their seats for 27 years, and their children and daughters-in-law are not in important government positions, and the heads of election commissions are not appointed by the president of the country, and I don’t remember 80%.
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 29 December 2020 00: 48
            0
            only there presidents for 27 years do not sit in their places


            Comparing political systems according to purely formal criteria is primitive. Although even on purely formal grounds, Lukashenka's term of office is not unique when compared, say, with Lee Kuan Yew.

            and their children and daughters-in-law are not in important government positions


            So there the real power is not with hired politicians, but with the oligarchs. Politicians nowadays are a screen, like a screen was the artificially created middle class in the capitalist countries during the Cold War.
            1. cmax
              cmax 29 December 2020 01: 30
              +1
              Quote: A_Lex
              So there the real power is not with hired politicians, but with the oligarchs. Politicians nowadays are a screen, like a screen was the artificially created middle class in the capitalist countries during the Cold War.

              Yes, I agree, here it is exactly the opposite. All power is in one hands ....... Yes, and the phrase of the governing ... sometimes it is not up to the laws, deserves to be knocked out somewhere in a prominent place, and this is in the 21st century. They closed the exit from the country, and there it was not long before North Korea (not before the laws).
            2. Olezhek
              29 December 2020 07: 31
              0
              Comparing political systems according to purely formal criteria is primitive. Although even on purely formal grounds, Lukashenka's term of office is not unique when compared, say, with Lee Kuan Yew.



              And that's when the author 5 years ago wrote his second article on VO
              https://topwar.ru/84350-pochemu-proigral-batka.html

              It was with Lee Kuan Yew that he compared Lukashenko ...

              It turned out with Lee Kuan Yew at the time. If you think that everything happened by itself in Singapore, you are wrong. Sometimes countries are artificially constructed.


              But he also warned the mustachioed politician:
              In case of possible inclinations from Moscow, Lukashenko also insured himself, fostering tame nationalists and explaining to young people that Belarus is a separate state with a separate history.


              Tame nationalists are out of control
              Such a pity
  • businessv
    businessv 28 December 2020 14: 16
    0
    As a matter of fact, sometimes some regret that in 2014 the Russian army did not reach “Lvov.” I must say right away that these are very strange regrets.
    Why would Russia throw its resources into the mouth of someone else's war? And why do we need Ukraine at such a price?
    About Lvov, as far as I remember, there was no talk, it was about the eastern regions of the Square, in which Russia was expected and which, in the amount of 6 pieces, make up an equal sign in terms of population size to the rest 18. And then, what kind of mouth and what kind of war? It's somehow illogical.
    1. Olezhek
      28 December 2020 18: 09
      +2
      About Lviv, as far as I remember, there was no talk, it was about the eastern regions of the square, in which Russia was expected and which, in the amount of 6 pieces, make up an equal sign in terms of population for the rest 18.


      Where to go?
      And where to stay?
      And then? Shaft that should be built according to Adrianov's principle?
      Ukraine is a swamp.
      1. businessv
        businessv 28 December 2020 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        And then? Shaft that should be built according to Adrianov's principle?
        Ukraine is a swamp.
        Too radical an opinion, as for me. Mostly normal people live there! If they had a chance, then everything would work out fine with Novorossiya IMHO. After all, eastern Ukraine is not only half of the population, it is also industry (in the past) and technology and land. There would be no need for a rampart or a fence - people would decide on their own and the new state would have a better chance of life than Ukraine has today. How much money we spent on development, production, tech. power, etc. in connection with the refusal to supply engines and the like, I will not list. It would be enough for first aid, but in the future there would be all the rules
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 28 December 2020 14: 26
    +4
    I am interested in another question: what benefits (what problematic issues did it solve) the Russian Federation gained after the support and help of comrade Lukashenko? They stopped talking about the Union State and the introduction of currency ...
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 28 December 2020 14: 32
      -1
      after the support and help of comrade. Lukashenka


      And what, really, and not on TV, there was some kind of support and help?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 28 December 2020 14: 39
        +1
        At least there was a riot policeman on duty at the border. And the comrades with the equipment were on the territory and from the diplomatic side full support and the military promised.
      2. Olezhek
        28 December 2020 18: 10
        +2
        And what, really, and not on TV, there was some kind of support and help?


        And sobsno on whose money all these 26 years there was Lukashenka's regime?
        Chinese?
        1. A_Lex
          A_Lex 28 December 2020 18: 53
          -1
          And sobsno on whose money all these 26 years there was Lukashenka's regime?


          Can you announce the exact amount? After you have voiced, think, these investments have gone nowhere as charity in the form of regular write-off of RF loans to other countries under the false pretext "nothing can be collected anyway", or that there are at least no Western military bases in Belarus and there are enterprises that are RF useful, already beneficial in itself?
        2. hound
          hound 5 January 2021 00: 04
          0
          And what are you, Olesha, thrusting as an argument the money that Lukashenka gave?
  • krvl
    krvl 28 December 2020 15: 21
    +2
    No one will ever be able to understand why Putin supports this uyoka Luka?
  • Kelnot
    Kelnot 28 December 2020 15: 49
    +3
    You just have to admit that Russia "fucked up" the CIS countries! This is the result of the politics of the 90's and 00's. New generations of people have grown up in those countries that do not want to live in Russia, do not want to be Russian. We are brought together only by the past, and they do not need the future with us. Why? Our country is the same mess as theirs. Everything is the same: in medicine, education, etc. It's sad and sad, but it's a fact.
    1. businessv
      businessv 28 December 2020 19: 14
      +2
      Quote: Kelnot
      We have the same mess in our country as they do. Everything is the same: in medicine, education, etc ... It is sad and sad, but it is a fact.

      I always say that if Russia had a socially oriented policy, there were no greedy oligarchs and it was not dependent on the Washington regional committee, then it would not have to carry out any work with its neighbors - everyone would still be with her!
  • borys
    borys 28 December 2020 17: 28
    -1
    Suspicion arose from the first lines - Egorov again. Scrolled down -
    and there is. With its unchanged position - by any means to make
    split between Russia and Belarus.
    1. lot
      lot 28 December 2020 17: 43
      +3
      Lavrov and thank you. supported the Belarusians a lot. we will not forget this help.
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    3. A_Lex
      A_Lex 28 December 2020 19: 09
      -2
      With its unchanging position - by any means to create a split between Russia and Belarus.


      The liberal's opinion corresponds to the policy of the West, because the liberal is an adherent of the ideology of the West. And the position of an adept as well as a convinced fanatic does not change.
  • pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 28 December 2020 19: 41
    +5
    How. Finally it comes.
    For half a year he proved that Lukashenka is evil. No - they say in Russia. You don't understand anything. He has 80% support from the electorate. And stupid Belarusians dance to the tune of the West. Putin supported the dictator, and Putin is not wrong.
    Forgot?
    Sailing on the waves of state propaganda, listening to all kinds of pseudo-experts at a pseudo-political show, you will ALWAYS lose in assessing the situation. You will always be on the sidelines in politics.
    Because you think that only YOU are the most intelligent and cunning, and the rest do not understand anything in life.
    Teach the life of others through your lips, completely without imagining the processes taking place in neighboring countries. without having lived in this country a single day.
    You will continue to live in your world and the main disappointments await you ahead.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 02: 38
      -4
      And who should we support? Your liberot, zmagarov and other Russophobic trash? What is the meaning of this for Russia? Come on, liberzmagar, I want to hear how you will play around, but demagogic tales to tell. laughing
      1. hound
        hound 5 January 2021 00: 01
        -1
        let me tell you instead. Laws must operate in the country, and any power stands on this. And when the “head of state” says that “sometimes it’s not up to the laws!”, It means that **** doesn’t like something, but according to the law there is nothing to show. And to put on your support, another thing is that the Belarusians (for the most part considered the Russians as a fraternal, if not united, people) now see on the internet the opinion of scum who are going to make Belarus a part of Russia.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 5 January 2021 20: 15
          0
          I'm wondering how liberal ideas of globalism and caveman nationalism coexist in one Liberzmagar head? And by the way, why is it bad to be part of Russia? By the way, I am against entering regions as suggested by some. I can now substantiate my opinion. And you?
          1. hound
            hound 5 February 2021 02: 21
            0
            I do not consider myself either a liberal or a "zmagar". And until August last year, he treated the latter extremely negatively. But then everyone who is against the fact that U ****** drew 80% for himself became "zmagars". Right now, in January 2021, he is talking about six million Belarusians who chose him. At the final turnout, according to the Belarusian Central Election Commission, somewhere in the region of 5,8 million. Right now, for the BCHB flag (to which I personally had a negative attitude until August), people are beaten windows, and the police do not find corpus delicti. Right now, they want to declare the flag under which the "president" took the oath to be fascist. Based on the fact that it was used by collaborators in the Second World War. How then to relate to the state flag of the Russian Federation, which was used as a banner by the Vlasov army?
            And no one in Belarus offers "Moskolyak for Gilyak!" People are tired of the collective farmer's rule, who hangs all his flaws in the West, then in Moscow. How did the topvar scream a year ago from Lukashenko's rhetoric? forgotten already. Now the "patriots" have been given the idea that if the Belarusian riot police stops doing tough, then tomorrow or the day after tomorrow NATO tanks will enter Moscow.
            I will never tire of repeating a thought that for some reason no one wants to understand: exactly a year ago I was with all my heart for Russia. And then it turned out that everyone who does not support Lou. bad Belarusians. Addicts, drunkards, sold to the West. That you need to put "your" there. So, citizens are "brothers", so alliances are not concluded. What is important is what is in people's heads, and not how many agreements will be signed.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 9 February 2021 11: 05
              0
              Ndaaaa. You just have a terrible misunderstanding of some things. For example, the fact that if the Nazis protest against the fact that you do not like this is not a reason to enroll in the Nazis. I think I understand quite well what is happening in Belarus now. At least I try to understand and be objective in assessing you, but I don't really see it. More emotion. This is very bad. You are talking about the union. Does anyone need him now? And if you need what? How many years has been going on the construction of the union state, but in fact the matter did not move further than chatter. In your words about the union, as it seemed to me, the opinion sounded like Russia, this union needs blood from the nose, and like the Belarusians are doing this a favor. And let's put it bluntly, not at all. Although, of course, the question is very difficult. Within the framework of socialism, this union is undoubtedly a blessing. But under capitalism you have to look. It is painfully dear to us for the time being such an alliance with a dubious positive effect.
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  • ship
    ship 28 December 2020 20: 39
    0
    The article is presented in an interesting way. ... True, the opinion that "the Belarusian direction today looks difficult for Russia" can be expanded to "... but also more adequate than it was." Although the forces of inertia and especially age ....
  • Dimide
    Dimide 28 December 2020 22: 04
    0
    Based on materials from "Insider", a pro-Russian party "Right of the People" is being created in Belarus (curated by General Chernov)
    The editorial board of "Insider" got the documents of the AP entitled "Strategy of work in the Republic of Belarus" and was prepared in September 2020.
    By the way, Lukashenka announced the gathering of the All-Belarusian People's Assembly on February 11 and 12
    1. Olezhek
      29 December 2020 07: 25
      -1
      Based on materials from "Insider", a pro-Russian party "Right of the People" is being created in Belarus (curated by General Chernov)


      Well, if only Lukashenka is trolled ..
      And so late already
      There, all power has long been divided
  • aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 28 December 2020 23: 35
    +5
    God, you are at least some kind of policy with the post-Soviet countries, but they will strive to the West. Because he is richer, more successful. In almost any city, village of Europe, leaving the entrance, you do not leave the zone comfortably, it is clean and cozy, the salaries are higher, the LAWS WORK. There is almost no corruption of which people in the CIS are tired. The infrastructure is developed, people travel around the country with comfort. We have nothing to offer them, NOTHING !!! You need to become a successful alternative center of power and then people will reach out on their own!
    1. Igor Litvin
      Igor Litvin 30 December 2020 21: 10
      +1
      Quote: aleksr2005
      ... You need to become a successful alternative center of power and then people will reach out on their own!

      Yes, that's right - people around will be drawn to a stable, secure and prosperous Russia, such is the Selyavi
    2. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 15 January 2021 00: 58
      0
      This is partly correct. However, even if Russia (Ukraine, Belarus) has the right democracy, life will not get better soon. The mentality and culture of the people is also important. And the point is not only that the entrances do not need to be cut off, but also in conscientious and high-quality work, even if you are not supervised. And if it does, then the 3rd, 4th generation can and will heal with great comfort, and possibly in another country.
  • Graduate student
    Graduate student 29 December 2020 17: 54
    +7
    Alexander Lukashenko surprised at the time

    He constantly surprises everyone laughing
  • Igor Litvin
    Igor Litvin 30 December 2020 21: 07
    0
    But at the same time, none of the parties to this conflict is pro-Russian by definition.

    But it is not anti-Russian either! In Belarus, a party / movement with an anti-Russian platform has no electoral perspective. And the Constitutional Court, starting from the start, reject the CSTO, the EAEU, etc. I realized very quickly that with such a platform, in fair elections, he would lose with the same miserableness as Lukashenka. Therefore, as far as possible, they quickly moved away from the anti-Russian rhetoric. Because the Belarusians are, for the most part, sane people and they understand well that without economic cooperation with Russia, poverty will come. And military-political cooperation with the Russian Federation is a guarantee of security.
    And here it comes to the surface that which in Russia they do not understand even if you crack: what do you mean by a "pro-Russian" - "anti-Russian" position ?! Many in Russia sincerely believe that "friendship" is so-called. "integration", calling things by their proper names, is the overthrow of the existing state system and the destruction of the statehood of the Republic of Belarus. And it seems that they do not know how to live in the neighborhood of a friendly and close state in Russia, which is a pity.
    sad
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 1 January 2021 15: 41
    -1
    Everything will end, as in 1552, when Ivan the Terrible, having taken Kazan, simply told the local elites that there would be no agreements with you, go to hell, but there will be a voivode and churches appointed in Moscow. By medieval standards, this was a truly outstanding case, but now it cannot be otherwise. It makes no sense to negotiate with someone.
  • hound
    hound 4 January 2021 23: 52
    0
    People who did not agree with the Maidan created republics. Then everything rolled downhill - "the revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and inveterate scoundrels are using its fruits." Six years have passed, except for Russian passports, there is nothing to offer the residents of Donbass - this is not Crimea, Sevastopol is not there, it is inexpedient to introduce troops. A little bit different happened in my Belarus - people once again tried to fuck. And the people, always so patient, could not stand it. But, despite all the statements of the AHL for 2019 and the first half of 2020, most (well, maybe not the largest, but the most talkative) Russians perceived the discontent of the Belarusians extremely negatively. Like a new Maidan. Although no one shouted "Moskolyak on Gilyak", there were many people on the Russian Net, including here, who advised to "push with tanks." Whom? People who wanted fair elections?
    When I congratulated my friends and relatives on NG, we naturally discussed the situation in the country. And almost the general opinion: "Russia has betrayed." She put her interests, and not really hiding them, above the interests of the Belarusians. "Let's bring our own people to power," "make them a part of Russia," "Father, you need to shoot, and so on."
    I have never made a difference between Belarus and Russia, I live in Russia, for me the Motherland was one. Now there is a difference.
    What the OMON is doing is beyond the bounds. This is not a response to violence - violence from the population was not observed most of the time (this is a reservation in case they remember the victims of the riot police). I am no longer a pioneer, I do not need barricades, I want to live in a country where laws work. In which a person will not be killed because he came out against the OMON system and simply raised his hands. In which you will not be f *** ed because you have a different opinion.
    Until August, the "Zmagars" were mostly regarded as blessed. Now "Bel-Chirvona-Beli" is a symbol of protest. Every fourth person died in Belarus, so there is no family left that has not been touched by the war in one way or another. But they are raising this flag not as a symbol of *** s who are trying to build the Third Reich together with Hitler, but as a symbol of protest against *** s who act by fascist methods against their people.
    But you continue to love the AHL. And then state with bitterness - "Russia has two allies, the army and the navy."