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The actual permission of the Russian Constitutional Court not to pay $ 57 billion in the Yukos case is commented on in the West

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The actual permission of the Russian Constitutional Court not to pay $ 57 billion in the Yukos case is commented on in the West

Ex-head of Yukos Mikhail Khodorkovsky



The publication of the Constitutional Court of Russia, which concerned unratified international treaties, caused discussion on the Web. The Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation explained, among other things, the situation with the process of resolving disputes between the state of Russia and foreign investors by international courts (arbitration tribunals) in the event of claims for various kinds of investments and businesses on Russian territory.

The Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation emphasized that the effect of international treaties can be valid on the territory of Russia only if they are officially published and ratified by the Federal Assembly (parliament).

This clarification, made by the Constitutional Court, suggests that, on the basis of current Russian legislation, Russia is exempt from the obligation to pay billions of dollars to the former shareholders of Yukos. Let us recall that this obligation was "determined" by the court in The Hague. The total was gigantic - about $ 57 billion.

The fact is that the so-called Energy Charter treaty, which the plaintiffs' lawyers referred to when filing a lawsuit in The Hague, did not officially enter into force in Russia without being ratified.

The Constitutional Court also emphasizes that there is a decree dating back to 2012, which, in fact, explains all this unambiguously. At the same time, the Constitutional Court notes that in order to consider disputes on investments in the territory of the Russian Federation, Russian legal proceedings are in force, and a separate law is required to transfer cases on such disputes to foreign courts.

Both Russian liberals and Western "friends of Russia" drew attention to such materials of the RF Constitutional Court. The understanding that Russia is not going to pay $ 57 billion with the reasoning caused them, to put it mildly, irritation. The West is commenting on the position of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, trying to state that Russia allegedly violates an international treaty.

This is a violation of an international treaty

But what? The one that never got ratified? But if so, then, as has already been said by the Constitutional Court, it has no direct force in order to be the document by which the courts can issue rulings similar to that made in The Hague.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 26 December 2020 05: 34
    +127
    The only thing I want to say is, correctly, that the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, The Hague has sent the heck .. they take on a lot.
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 26 December 2020 05: 40
      +84
      The actual permission of the Russian Constitutional Court not to pay $ 57 billion in the Yukos case is commented on in the West

      the clarification made by the Constitutional Court states that, on the basis of the current Russian legislation, Russia is exempted from the obligation to pay the multibillion-dollar sum to the former shareholders of Yukos.


      In my opinion, decisions of any Russian court, and not just the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, should take precedence over lawsuits and decisions of courts outside the Russian Federation.

      This is my opinion, and then let the jurists-petty-makers discuss what is wrong in it and what it does not correspond to.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 26 December 2020 07: 21
        +50
        Quote: Profiler
        This is my opinion, and then let the jurists-petty-makers discuss what is wrong in it and what it does not correspond to.

        They hoped that Russia would pay in accordance with the laws of the times of the EBN, that they say that foreign laws had priority over Russian ones. But this has already been canceled, so break off!
        1. Civil
          Civil 26 December 2020 07: 28
          +48
          1. The fact that such an amount does not have to be paid is wonderful.
          2. It would not have worked like Gazprom and Ukraine, when under the threat of seizure of assets, the national treasure had to pay everything.
          1. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb 26 December 2020 08: 11
            +36
            Russia owes nothing to anyone!

            On the contrary, the money and valuables taken out of Russia must be returned!

            1) Accounts of the Romanovs and "royal" accounts.
            2) "Gold of the Party2 80s.
            3) the money of oligarchs and other robbers of the national property.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 26 December 2020 10: 19
              +20
              Quote: Ilya-spb
              On the contrary, the money and valuables taken out of Russia must be returned!

              This is how they rob, the country and the people are different Khodorkovsky. In the USSR, if he stole 50 rubles or more, the capital punishment, and now the thief has stolen, and return the stolen money to the thief.
              1. da Vinci
                da Vinci 26 December 2020 11: 19
                +25
                It is in the USSR he is a thief, now he is a respected person who earned with his own labor (mind), the pride of the world economy. True, in Hollywood they are shown as Russian oligarhoff and Russian mafiya, and all over the world think so, but these are stupid ordinary people, in the Bilderberg Club they do not think so.
                1. krot
                  krot 26 December 2020 11: 28
                  +22
                  When they voted on the amendments to the constitution, the liberals all howled that it was impossible to make our constitutional court more important than the European one. And if the amendment had not been adopted then, then 57 lard would have been paid as a duty. Otherwise, they would violate their own laws. This is what the liberals want ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 11: 41
                    -60%
                    Quote: krot
                    When they voted on the amendments to the constitution, the liberals all howled that it was impossible to make our constitutional court more important than the European one. And if the amendment had not been adopted then, then 57 lard would have been paid as a duty.

                    the agreement on the so-called Energy Charter, which the plaintiffs' lawyers referred to when filing a lawsuit in The Hague, did not officially enter into force in Russia without being ratified.

                    The Constitutional Court also emphasizes that there is a decree dating back to 2012, which, in fact, explains all this unambiguously.

                    Continue to dance in an embrace with amendments.
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                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 12: 25
                        -41%
                        Quote: krot
                        We saw the face of our idol on the cover ..

                        What idol and on what cover?
                      2. serezhasoldatow
                        serezhasoldatow 26 December 2020 13: 23
                        +12
                        Memory lost or forgotten glasses?
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 13: 31
                        -25%
                        Quote: serezhasoldatow
                        Memory lost or forgotten glasses?

                        So far, my memory is normal, and my vision is also normal. Pah-pah-pah.
                      4. Lexus
                        Lexus 26 December 2020 17: 46
                        -11%
                        Vladimir hi ,
                        to the knocked down urya-skakuas / putriots in every sane person the Ukrainian seems to be. As for the execution of the decision in this case, then, as usual, the "price of the issue" will be somewhat settled down, it will be issued as an override and will be paid. So since the notorious lawsuit "Leg" has been the custom, no matter how much they say. Then the main sum of the secret was promptly "closed", and then the Court simply recognized the rest of the claims as overstated. Otherwise, it will not be difficult for the West to dispossess its "friends of a friend" for such tricks.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 17: 49
                        -18%
                        Quote: lexus
                        Ukrainian seems to be.

                        They are about Navalny, rather. laughing
                      6. Lexus
                        Lexus 26 December 2020 17: 55
                        -11%
                        Damn, I wanted to read the comments, and now "putriots" will begin to "swell". smile
                      7. Uralean
                        Uralean 26 December 2020 21: 26
                        +9
                        Who are you if you are not a putriot? libriot cho?
                      8. krot
                        krot 26 December 2020 22: 07
                        +5
                        Quote: Ural
                        libriot cho?

                        Probot he)) I would have met him on the street ..)
                      9. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 27 December 2020 16: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: krot
                        Probot he)) I would have met him on the street ..)

                        And what would happen?
                    2. tralmaster
                      tralmaster 27 December 2020 14: 53
                      0
                      No, he Fri a picture from the Communist Party.
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 26 December 2020 11: 45
    -33%
    Quote: krot
    And if the amendment had not been adopted then, then 57 lards would have been paid as a duty. Otherwise, they would violate their own laws. This is what the liberals want ...

    You still have to pay or negotiate.
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 26 December 2020 13: 24
      +21
      Who's stopping you? There is money, pay.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 26 December 2020 14: 01
        -33%
        Quote: serezhasoldatow
        Who's stopping you? There is money, pay.

        I pay my debts.
      2. krot
        krot 26 December 2020 16: 26
        +16
        Quote: RUSS
        I pay my debts.

        Do you think Russia still owes Khodorkovsky?)
        I lose weight from these changing shoes on the go .. laughing The inevitable kirdyk will come soon. ))) As "brother 2" said laughing
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 26 December 2020 16: 35
        -19%
        Quote: krot
        Do you think Russia still owes Khodorkovsky?)

        It owes Yukos shareholders.
        Quote: krot
        The inevitable kirdyk will come soon. ))) As "brother 2" said

        Who do they want?
      4. krot
        krot 26 December 2020 16: 37
        +6
        Quote: RUSS
        It owes Yukos shareholders.

        About how! laughing But will these "shareholders" not peel off? laughing
        Khodorkovsky won't get a drop from this, right? laughing
      5. RUSS
        RUSS 26 December 2020 16: 48
        -23%
        Quote: krot
        Oh how! But will these "shareholders" not peel off?

        What kind of personal dislike do you have for Yukos shareholders? What do you know about this case, besides the name Khodorkovsky?
      6. Lexus
        Lexus 26 December 2020 18: 06
        -3
        hi And, at the same time, those who are "in the house" have some kind of unhealthy allegiance, lackey love for grabbers under the "power", who from Russia have resisted by orders of magnitude more.
      7. bootlegger
        bootlegger 26 December 2020 19: 34
        +13
        Shareholders entrusted the money to a thief and this is only their risk and problem.
        It was necessary to observe the laws of the Russian Federation and pay taxes.
      8. RUSS
        RUSS 26 December 2020 19: 45
        -16%
        Quote: bootlegger
        It was necessary to observe the laws of the Russian Federation and pay taxes.

        Are you naive or what? laughing laughing laughing , what you have sounded can be safely said about half of the companies in Russia and this is the minimum)
      9. bk0010
        bk0010 27 December 2020 15: 32
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        Are you naive or what? laughing laughing laughing, what you voiced can be safely said about half of the companies in Russia and this is at least)
        So what? How does this whitewash Khodorkovsky?
  3. ccsr
    ccsr 26 December 2020 16: 51
    +32
    Quote: RUSS
    It owes Yukos shareholders.

    It shouldn't, even under American laws, because they also have state control over all types of transactions, over $ 10 million.
    If Yukos shareholders prove that they have received the approval of the State Duma Commission for the purchase of shares in this company, and the Federal Commission on the Securities Market conducted this transaction in accordance with our legislation, then they will be able to claim something else, but according to our legislation, i.e. ... through our court.
    So they will get ears from a dead donkey - this is obvious even for Khodorkovsky.
  4. zazakon
    zazakon 1 January 2021 15: 37
    -1
    Our courts in the Russian Federation are flawed to the point of exhaustion !!!
    especially SOYU, especially with monopolists !!!!!!!
    With mail, with Power engineers, with Vodokanal, with Rostelecom ... Just !!!!
    and the Ministry of Finance does not pay for jambs of government agencies !!!

    so, I hope that Khodorkovsky, whatever he may be, will pull the RF Ministry of Finance on this case!
  5. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 26 December 2020 17: 10
    +17
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: krot
    Do you think Russia still owes Khodorkovsky?)

    It owes Yukos shareholders.

    Khodorkovsky traded in shares in a stolen company. Therefore, all questions about the money of shareholders, if they need money, go straight to Khodorkovsky, while he is alive.
  6. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 28 December 2020 10: 11
    0
    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: krot
    Do you think Russia still owes Khodorkovsky?)

    It owes Yukos shareholders.

    Khodorkovsky traded in shares in a stolen company. Therefore, all questions about the money of shareholders, if they need money, go straight to Khodorkovsky, while he is alive.

    Sorry, but the stolen enterprise was swallowed up by Rosneft with all assets and debts.
    Rosneft
  7. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 28 December 2020 10: 39
    +1
    Quote: Pilat2009
    Sorry, but the stolen enterprise was swallowed up by Rosneft with all assets and debts.
    Rosneft

    YUKOS is bankrupt, all shares burned out, and was sold to pay off tax debts.
  8. Photon
    Photon 28 December 2020 14: 54
    0
    Stole from the state. And Rosneft is a state enterprise. Therefore, the takeover of Yukos by Rosneft is the return of the stolen
  9. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 28 December 2020 15: 20
    -2
    Quote: Photon
    Rosneft is a state enterprise.

    Why do you think so? Since the spring of 2020, the state has not even had a controlling stake there.
  10. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 December 2020 17: 49
    +31
    Quote: RUSS
    Yukos shareholders should

    Should Russia pay the Yukos shareholders, who at one time stole our national property, for the fact that what they have stolen is now the property of, for example, the same Rosneft, in which most of the leadership is foreign citizens, and Russia does not even have its controlling stake? Some were stolen from us, others were taken away from them - and it is not that we are not even thinking of returning the stolen, we also decided to receive 1/5 of our federal budget in addition to the stolen.
    This is surrealism.
    It is necessary to start the proceedings from the moment when the property of the citizens of our country migrated into the pockets of no one. And not from the moment when several oligarchic groups did not divide it. Only then will a logical and fair result be obtained.
  11. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 18: 11
    -9
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    It is necessary to start the proceedings from the moment when the property of the citizens of our country migrated into the pockets of no one. And not from the moment when several oligarchic groups did not divide it. Only then will a logical and fair result be obtained.

    Will not work. As the Eternal Emperor said, the results of the privatization will not be revised.
  12. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 December 2020 21: 15
    +4
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    As the Eternal Emperor said - the results of the privatization will not be revised

    For me, personally, this "emperor" does not suit.
    The time when he said it was supposed to be his last term.
  13. businessv
    businessv 26 December 2020 23: 03
    +5
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Will not work. As the Eternal Emperor said

    Fortunately, it doesn't last forever! In addition, he said that the retirement age would not be revised either!
  14. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 23: 06
    0
    Quote: businessv
    Fortunately, it doesn't last forever!

    Already our Leonid, the light of Ilyich sat out. fellow
  15. businessv
    businessv 26 December 2020 23: 12
    +5
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Already our Leonid, the light of Ilyich sat out.

    By the way, yes, your truth! It is almost impossible to compare the one and the other. One kind of dropped everything that was possible, creating a "stagnation" in which life was not at all difficult. The other did not seem to have dropped anything, and he added the earth to what seemed to be lost, but life from this did not become better and easier.
  16. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 28 December 2020 10: 15
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: businessv
    Fortunately, it doesn't last forever!

    Already our Leonid, the light of Ilyich sat out. fellow

    The Constitutional Court allowed him to be re-elected, so you don't have to worry for the next 10 years, unless force majeure happens
  17. Photon
    Photon 28 December 2020 14: 56
    0
    Even Stalin lived under Putin belay
  18. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 27 December 2020 13: 07
    -3
    Quote: businessv
    Fortunately, it doesn't last forever!

    They cloned it for a long time They are fed to a reasonable, acceptable level. yes
  19. RUSS
    RUSS 26 December 2020 19: 50
    -8
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    It is necessary to start the proceedings from the moment when the property of the citizens of our country migrated into the pockets of no one.

    Let none of us be hungry
    And let no one be too full:
    One is angry from hunger,
    The other does evil to us from satiety.
    - Rasul Gamzatov
  20. businessv
    businessv 26 December 2020 23: 06
    +3
    Quote: RUSS
    Rasul Gamzatov

    He was a very wonderful person and poet! Thank you! He said:
    Everyone can drink, but only important
    Know where and with whom, for what, when and how much!
  21. businessv
    businessv 26 December 2020 22: 52
    +4
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    It is necessary to start the proceedings from the moment when the property of the citizens of our country migrated into the pockets of no one. And not from the moment when several oligarchic groups did not divide it. Only then will a logical and fair result be obtained.
    Bravo! I totally agree with you! Moreover, this should apply to all, without exception, enterprises of strategic importance for Russia!
  22. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 28 December 2020 13: 39
    +1
    What do you mean !!!!! Who, then, will lead us to the "bright capitalist future"? They will all go in the highest measure, in that case. There will be no one left!
  23. businessv
    businessv 28 December 2020 14: 06
    0
    Quote: AKuzenka
    There will be no one left!

    What do you mean nobody ?! And what about normal people?
  24. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 28 December 2020 14: 33
    +1
    Normal people will not be allowed to run the country. So it doesn't count. It's a shame. And there is no unifying idea, except for getting rich, in the Russian Federation. Therefore, normal people will not rule.
  25. businessv
    businessv 29 December 2020 08: 51
    +2
    Quote: AKuzenka
    Normal people will not be allowed to run the country.
    you need to try, the country cannot live under abnormalities all the time!
    Release Platoshkin, for example. He is overly emotional, but active and not very stupid!
  26. pogis
    pogis 27 December 2020 07: 10
    +3
    ... for example, the same Rosneft, in which most of the leadership is foreign citizens, and Russia does not even have its controlling stake?


    You're lying like you breathe!
  27. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 December 2020 14: 36
    -3
    Quote: pogis
    You lie how you breathe

    Hollow, you first study the subject of discussion, and then give your voice.
  28. businessv
    businessv 28 December 2020 14: 05
    0
    Quote: pogis
    ... for example, the same Rosneft, in which most of the leadership is foreign citizens, and Russia does not even have its controlling stake?

    PJSC NK Rosneft is a Russian oil and gas company, the controlling stake of which belongs to the state-owned Rosneftegaz.
  29. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 28 December 2020 14: 13
    0
    Quote: businessv
    PJSC NK Rosneft is a Russian oil and gas company, the controlling stake of which belongs to the state-owned Rosneftegaz.

    In the spring of 2020, Rosneftegaz, "comforting" Rosneft after the situation with Venezuela, reduced its participation in it by 9.2%, thereby losing its controlling stake.
    So what are you talking about?
  30. businessv
    businessv 28 December 2020 14: 21
    +1
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    So what are you talking about?

    Quote from Wiki, quoted without comment. smile And what was the point of such "consolation" if as a result the controlling stake was nullified?
  31. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 28 December 2020 15: 08
    0
    Quote: businessv
    And what was the point of such "consolation" if as a result the controlling stake was nullified?

    And so it was. Rosneft has argued since the beginning of the 10s that it is not a state corporation. For example, when she was asked to disclose Sechin's income as a top. The wish came true.
    This scheme, when, on the one hand, there are real shareholders in a large asset who are rooting for their own shares, and on the other hand, a certain manager from the state, who is, in fact, rooting for other people's shares (for the state's share), in my opinion, is very vulnerable. One day, the one who must defend other people's interests may bend under those who defend their own there, because the latter, by definition, will be more persistent and they clearly have something to offer to the representative of the interests of the state, no matter how huge his salary may seem to the layman.
  32. businessv
    businessv 28 December 2020 17: 01
    +1
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    they obviously have something to offer to the representative of the interests of the state, no matter how huge his salary may seem to the layman.

    These are all, of course, correct statements, but adjustable at the click of your fingers! It's just that today our managers have neither control, nor competence, nor state thinking, and most importantly, they have no responsibility to anyone!
  33. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 29 December 2020 04: 39
    +1
    Quote: businessv
    It's just that today our managers have neither control, nor competence, nor state thinking, and most importantly, they have no responsibility to anyone!

    And probably no conscience either)
  34. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 28 December 2020 10: 42
    +1
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    It is necessary to start the proceedings from the moment when the property of the citizens of our country migrated into the pockets of no one. And not from the moment when several oligarchic groups did not divide it.

    We will have to return to the recognition of loans-for-shares auctions as a void transaction, with all the ensuing consequences. This scam requires a separate retroactive law. Like the Chinese.
  35. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 28 December 2020 12: 09
    +1
    The Chinese did not have such a law. This is a fake that even two VO authors believed and sprinkled a whole article. Until now, by the way, the users of the resource have not been apologized for misinformation.
  36. Uralean
    Uralean 26 December 2020 21: 28
    +4
    To Yukos shareholders. Oh, sorry kind Putin let Khodorka out of the slammer, he would have been sitting on a cabbage roll and not blathering .. Will they pay the bill? Evropesev already has no leverage left on Russia.
  37. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 December 2020 21: 44
    -1
    Quote: Ural
    the cabbage roll would sit now and not blather ..

    So it is, as it were, not even he is the plaintiff
  38. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 28 December 2020 10: 17
    +1
    Quote: Ural
    To Yukos shareholders. Oh, sorry kind Putin let Khodorka out of the slammer, he would have been sitting on a cabbage roll and not blathering .. Will they pay the bill? Evropesev already has no leverage left on Russia.

    There is no end to leverage yet
  39. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 28 December 2020 13: 41
    +1
    Evropesev already has no leverage left on Russia.
    I will disappoint you. Almost all the assets of "our" beacons of democracy and economy lie and work in Western banks. Freeze them - press one button. And they all know it.
  40. Ramadan
    Ramadan 27 December 2020 11: 24
    +4
    "It owes Yukos shareholders." - on what basis should it be?
    There was an investigation, there was a court in which it was said that the shares were obtained by Khodorkovsky and Co. illegally, through collusion with officials, plus there were contract killings.
  41. Photon
    Photon 28 December 2020 14: 51
    +2
    The "shareholders" of Yukos are buyers of stolen goods. I would like to see what the West would do with such "shareholders" True, Khodorkovsky does not differ much from other privatizers who exist quite peacefully and profitably. Khodorkovsky is just bolder
  42. don carleone
    don carleone 30 December 2020 13: 36
    +1
    Yukos shareholders should

    There you can count the shareholders on the fingers of one hand. And 60% of the shares were personally owned by Khodorkovsky.
  43. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 26 December 2020 23: 37
    +4
    Quote: krot
    Do you think Russia still owes Khodorkovsky?)

    Khodorkovsky robbed Russia, and Russia also owes him. The insolence of these guys has no shores.
  44. gjkrjdybr50
    gjkrjdybr50 28 December 2020 17: 43
    +1
    So turn to Khodorkovsky and explain to him that not to pay the debts is bad manners. What do they want from Russia? Money was given to Hodor, even if it returns.
  • businessv
    businessv 26 December 2020 22: 49
    +2
    Quote: RUSS
    You still have to pay or negotiate.

    What's behind these conclusions? The explanation of the COP was made just for this, to explain why they will NOT pay.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 27 December 2020 15: 31
    +2
    Quote: RUSS
    You still have to pay or negotiate.
    Soaking them all will be two orders of magnitude cheaper. At the same time, the rest of the lesson will be: the insolent thief is trying to steal money from the injured party.
  • kit88
    kit88 26 December 2020 12: 04
    +18
    When the amendments to the constitution were voted on

    Interestingly. The first 64 articles of the Constitution were not amended. This is prohibited by the constitution itself in article 135, part 1.
    We open the unchanged article 15, read:
    “The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those provided for by law, then the rules of the international treaty shall apply. "
    belay

    And only in Art. 79. Text is added:
    "Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are not subject to execution in the Russian Federation"

    This part 4 of Art. 15 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation about "the priority of international (read American) law" should be removed altogether, deleted and forgotten.
    1. Alexander Kopelevich
      Alexander Kopelevich 26 December 2020 17: 23
      +1
      It is fraught, then no one will sign any agreements with us, and we will not be able to sign, even if the agreement is beneficial. As now - the most optimal, not to comply with the decisions of the courts in the event of the conclusion of the Constitutional Court
      1. kit88
        kit88 26 December 2020 18: 54
        +13
        You only do not tell those who lived in the USSR.
        Otherwise they will tell you about the priority of international law, and about how they did not conclude an agreement with the Union ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 28 December 2020 08: 07
        0
        Quote: kit88
        You only do not tell those who lived in the USSR.
        Otherwise they will tell you about the priority of international law, and about how they did not conclude an agreement with the Union ...

        And for a start, read the Constitution of the USSR - there was also a formula about the supremacy of international treaties ...

        "Article 29. The relations of the USSR with other states are being built
        based on respect for the principles of sovereign ...................
        conscientious fulfillment obligations arising from
        generally accepted principles and international law, from
        international treaties concluded by the USSR."
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 20: 18
      -10%
      Quote: Alexander Kopelevich
      As now - the most optimal, not to comply with the decisions of the courts in the event of the conclusion of the Constitutional Court

      And they won't ask. Have you forgotten how our fighter-ships were hiding in the corners from the fact that a certain Noga firm asked everywhere to arrest the property of Russia?
    3. u-345
      u-345 26 December 2020 22: 17
      +8
      a certain company Noga asked to arrest Russian property everywhere?

      However, in all cases, the courts satisfied the complaints of the Russian side and removed the arrest from property and accounts.
      The amount of the claim for the state is ridiculous - $ 63 million.
      During the litigation, the head of the Noga firm, Nessim Gaon, actually went bankrupt - so, in August 2002, a Swiss court ruled to evict Mr. Gaon and his family from their apartments at the Noga Hilton hotel on Lake Geneva. The General Prosecutor's Office of the Canton of Geneva even opened a criminal case against the businessman on charges of financial fraud and deliberate bankruptcy.

      On August 19, 2002, in an interview with Kommersant, Nessim Gaon said that he had addressed a letter to President Putin, who "promised to investigate." Soon, the Russian Federation proposed to Noga its scheme of debt repayment: 30% are written off, the rest is restructured and payable in 2010 and 2030. 80-year-old Mr. Gaon responded by saying that he would not live to see payments.

      On April 7, 2004, Noga unexpectedly announced that it would abandon its claims against Russia.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 22: 36
      -3
      Quote: u-345
      The amount of the claim for the state is ridiculous - $ 63 million.

      Well, here it is not at all funny.
  • military_cat
    military_cat 26 December 2020 13: 06
    -22%
    Quote: krot
    And if the amendment had not been adopted then, then 57 lard would have been paid as a duty.

    And so we will pay through the arrest of assets. Consider that I managed to shout "I'm in the house!" and investors will answer "well, okay" - some holy childish naivety. The only one of all the adopted amendments, in the performance of which there is no doubt, is about zeroing.
    1. Alexander Kopelevich
      Alexander Kopelevich 26 December 2020 17: 25
      +3
      The amendments have nothing to do with it. The Constitutional Court's right to reject decisions of international courts is enshrined in the 2016 Law on the Constitutional Court. Now they have written it into the Constitution only to make it impossible to change the law on the Constitutional Court.
    2. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 31
      +4
      Not only do they have our assets, but they also have them. This is another question, where is more ...
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 28 December 2020 10: 21
        0
        Quote: Whirlwind
        Not only do they have our assets, but they also have them. This is another question, where is more ...

        What assets and how will you arrest them?
      2. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 28 December 2020 11: 40
        0
        Nationalize.
        For example YouTube, it has long been asking ...
  • Revival
    Revival 27 December 2020 15: 52
    -1
    You didn't confuse warm with soft?
    Have you read the article?
    Where is the reference to the amendments?
    Ks pointed out to you the decree already in 2012 without any amendments.
    Moreover, one should not want to pay, but be able to!
    Let's look at this process, here is the whole point
  • zazakon
    zazakon 1 January 2021 15: 34
    0
    amendments must be canceled to the constitution!
  • mpr200
    mpr200 26 December 2020 11: 31
    +10
    Everyone in this club knows and understands very well, because they themselves organized it. And Hodor is held there for the one for whom it is necessary - for a thief and a traitor, only he is their protege, and therefore they endure for now.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 27 December 2020 16: 08
    0
    When a spy or a traitor is caught, the indignation of the public knows no bounds, it demands execution. And when a thief is wielding in front of everyone, plundering state property, the surrounding public is limited to good-natured chuckles and a pat on the shoulder. Meanwhile, it is clear that a thief who plunders the people's property and undermines the interests of the national economy is the same spy and traitor, if not worse. This darling, little mustache, of course, was arrested in the end. But what does the arrest of one "cheerful" thief mean? We have hundreds and thousands of such thieves. You cannot get everyone out with the help of the GPU.
    Here another measure is needed, more effective and more serious. This measure is to create around such thieves an atmosphere of general, moral boycott and hatred of the surrounding public. This measure consists in raising such a campaign and creating such a moral atmosphere among the workers and peasants, which would exclude the possibility of theft, which would make it impossible for the life and existence of thieves and plunders of the people's property, "cheerful" and "unhappy".
    The fight against theft, as one of the means of protecting our accumulation from embezzlement, is the task.
    (C)
  • Maikcg
    Maikcg 26 December 2020 13: 24
    -7
    In the USSR, if he stole ..
    ..that is the next secretary (of different rank) of the party.
    "Cotton case" is a drop in the ocean
  • Captain45
    Captain45 26 December 2020 15: 39
    +6
    Quote: tihonmarine
    In the USSR, if he stole 50 rubles or more, capital punishment,

    Sorry, I will correct under Article 93-note (theft of state property in especially large ones) to the death penalty for embezzlement over 10000 rubles, but this is in the USSR
    Quote: tihonmarine
    and now the thief has stolen, and return the stolen money to the thief.

    This is not how we live in the USSR recourse
    1. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 40
      +3
      But I did not guess. There are no documents on the withdrawal of the RSFSR from the USSR, as well as all its other republics.
      Legally, the Soviet Union still exists. Only the state bodies of the Union were liquidated by the illegal decrees of Gorbachev, but for a transitional period they can be replaced by the state bodies of the Russian Federation, which, after the amendments made to the Constitution, became the RECEIVER of the USSR.
  • set of sets
    set of sets 26 December 2020 16: 59
    +2
    The thief is the one who stole the rotten chicken. And the one who stole millions is no longer a thief, but an elite. It doesn't matter where the money comes from. It is important that you have them. And such chelas are unsinkable.
  • businessv
    businessv 26 December 2020 22: 46
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    In the USSR, if you stole 50 rubles or more, the capital punishment

    Not really, colleague! It was from 10000 rubles and more! Theft of social property on an especially large scale.
  • magirus401
    magirus401 27 December 2020 23: 22
    0
    In the USSR, the tower was at 10000 rubles. Article 91 approx. Criminal Code (embezzlement of state property on an especially large scale)
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 28 December 2020 13: 29
    0
    This is how they rob, the country and the people are different Khodorkovsky. In the USSR, if he stole 50 rubles or more, the capital punishment, and now the thief has stolen, and return the stolen money to the thief.
    You are thinking strangely. Now capitalism! Not a thief, but a respected businessman, not a traitor, but a political dissident, not a bandit, but slightly exceeded the limits of self-defense. Do not forget - we live in a democracy!
  • lion1980
    lion1980 1 January 2021 18: 01
    0
    You are not entirely right: in the USSR, the highest measure was relied on for the theft of state money or property in the amount of 10000 rubles. and higher!!!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 26 December 2020 14: 34
    +1
    There was no party gold - almost all the gold was spent on foreign purchases, including food.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 26 December 2020 17: 18
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      There was no party gold - almost all the gold was spent on foreign purchases, including food.

      How much the party gold went where, the CPSU Central Committee managers knew, but for some reason, under Gorbachev, they began to fall out of the windows one by one.
      The detective agency KROLL was ordered to investigate the "gold of the party". Gaidar received the report, the report was not published, i.e. classified, after which the topic of "party gold" disappeared from the press.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 26 December 2020 17: 18
    +3
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Russia owes nothing to anyone!

    On the contrary, the money and valuables taken out of Russia must be returned!

    1) Accounts of the Romanovs and "royal" accounts.
    2) "Gold of the Party2 80s.
    3) the money of oligarchs and other robbers of the national property.

    Well, in order to return the "gold of the party", it is necessary to return the party itself first. And then we'll see who owes whom laughing
  • adler87
    adler87 26 December 2020 18: 09
    0
    Yes, and don't forget about Alaska and Antarctica
    1. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 44
      -2
      You forgot to remind about the American moon ...
      1. adler87
        adler87 30 December 2020 07: 48
        0
        Well, you see, what a rich country we have, if not for America, they would have healed.
        1. Whirlwind
          Whirlwind 31 December 2020 09: 38
          0
          Why is there no life? Be patient a little. Next year, remember how bad your life was without America ...
          1. adler87
            adler87 3 January 2021 18: 58
            0
            what, and America will give up the Moon next year? Well, let's live the tady?
            1. Whirlwind
              Whirlwind 4 January 2021 07: 36
              0
              And this is how we ask.
              And we must ask America persistently and convincingly.
              We will not convince. Russia will not exist. And without her, as the Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces said, we don't need Peace ...
              And no next. Everything in this 2021. On which I congratulate everyone, including you Valery.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 26 December 2020 13: 41
    +2
    Quote: Civil
    Wouldn't have worked like Gazprom with Ukraine
    Do not even hope. Probably, Ukraine returned its contribution to Crimea. Everything in the calculations.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 26 December 2020 16: 30
      +6
      Quote: sniperino
      Quote: Civil
      Wouldn't have worked like Gazprom with Ukraine
      Do not even hope. Probably, Ukraine returned its contribution to Crimea. Everything in the calculations.

      It was necessary to collect this from Ukraine for the "contribution to the Crimea" !!!! They stole the depositors' money from Privat Bank, and took them out of Crimea on the sly. We split the mudflow. households (orchards, vineyards, fields for grain) on "small klaptiki" (pieces)! Having laid a time bomb for agriculture in the Crimea. We privatized all slightly suitable industrial sites, destroying everything there that sticky ruchata could reach. And it's all worth it, sold and resold ten times. Private property ! You can't touch! They kept quiet for a long time, and a year after they climbed out of the caches, they began to cut down the forest, seize reservoirs. Motivating them - “Sho tse is ours! Blood! Svidomo Ukrskoe!” They need to be recovered and claimed for damages!
  • nnm
    nnm 26 December 2020 16: 25
    +3
    Will not work. Abroad, only state property can be seized. Gazprom is a joint-stock company.
    All these nuances have already been worked out in the lawsuit filed by nOga.
    1. lucul
      lucul 26 December 2020 18: 52
      +4
      Abroad, only state property can be seized

      To equate the confiscation of state property of the Russian Federation abroad, to an attack on the Russian Federation, and that's it.
  • Alexander Kopelevich
    Alexander Kopelevich 26 December 2020 17: 21
    0
    It seems like they did not pay everything, agreed on some partial amount
  • shonsu
    shonsu 28 December 2020 12: 33
    0
    First, let them substantiate their threat of arrest. And if they refer to the court in The Hague, I will remind you that since 2014 Russia has adopted a law according to which we have the right to take away the country's property on our territory, in compensation for our losses on theirs. So our court gives it the right. And we have a hundred times more investments than ours. laughing
  • frruc
    frruc 26 December 2020 13: 25
    +6
    Gentlemen living for permanent residence in London and New York (and other YUKOS shareholders together with Mr. Khodorkovsky) will get a donut hole, and this is good, all in all fairness.
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    2. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 26 December 2020 20: 25
      +4
      It is a pity that at one time our law enforcers could not prove the involvement of Khodor in the murder of Petukhov (the mayor of Oil - Yugansk). But he was the customer! And he would not be in prison for economic crimes, but for a "clean" criminal offense !!
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 26 December 2020 16: 23
    -2
    And not who and did not count on official payments from Russia, but it is easy to arrest Russian property abroad, The example of the company Noga showed
    1. lucul
      lucul 26 December 2020 18: 58
      +2
      but it is easy to arrest the property of Russia abroad. The example of the company Noga showed

      The leg is God's chosen one, with all that it implies))))
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 28 December 2020 12: 18
      0
      There has already been a comment on this. Firm "Noga" in 2004 unexpectedly refused all claims. As far as I understand, its owners were people with a dubious reputation.
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 23
    -1
    But this has already been canceled, so break off!

    Not completely canceled.
  • Red_Graphic
    Red_Graphic 30 December 2020 10: 05
    0
    I agree. In the same USA, any local court of a separate state spun this Hague.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 26 December 2020 11: 01
    -4
    Quote: Aerodrome
    The only thing I want to say is, correctly, that the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, The Hague has sent the heck .. they take on a lot.

    The fact is that "The Hague" is still at the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, everything that is possible abroad will be arrested and that's all.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 26 December 2020 12: 16
      +11
      They could have been arrested long ago.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 26 December 2020 12: 35
        -11%
        Quote: Sergey39
        They could have been arrested long ago.

        Russia recently asked for an adjournment in the Yukos case, but did not work.
        The Dutch Supreme Court rejected Russia's Yukos case. The Russian authorities have asked to suspend the execution of decisions on the claims of the former shareholders of the company, which are to be paid $ 57 billion.
        Prior to that, the Federal Court of the District of Columbia in Washington granted Russia's petition to suspend the trial, in which former Yukos shareholders are trying to recover $ 50 billion from the Russian Federation.Our country received a two-year deferral to challenge the verdict on the merits in the Supreme Court of the Netherlands. During this period of time, no arrests of property will be made in the United States to secure the claims of Yukos shareholders.
        1. T.Henks
          T.Henks 26 December 2020 18: 29
          0
          https://panorama.pub/46648-v-niderlandah-prozhitochnyj.html
          So where did they get such proofs
      2. military_cat
        military_cat 26 December 2020 14: 43
        +1
        Quote: Sergey39
        They could have been arrested long ago.

        There was no final decision of the court in The Hague. There were all kinds of appeals and stuff.
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 26 December 2020 15: 21
          +2
          Quote: military_cat
          There was no final decision of the court in The Hague. There were all kinds of appeals and so on

          Well, yes, but this is a formality by the court that can be overcome at any time. They just don't want to open the Pandora's box. Such a decision will be answered, but they do not need it. All these courts, ridiculous sanctions only to create a general background of opposition to Russia. They did not dare to take real decisive steps. It is fraught.
          1. lucul
            lucul 26 December 2020 18: 55
            0
            Such a decision will be answered, but they do not need it

            Yes, but you can also confiscate their stake in Gazprom and Rosneft)))
    2. fliger85
      fliger85 26 December 2020 14: 25
      -3
      The gut is thin and scanty.
    3. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 48
      0
      In the Constitutional Court, they are not fools either, they have calculated all the consequences, and the Kremlin has not ignored this matter, it must be understood, it has not left it ...
  • poquello
    poquello 26 December 2020 13: 12
    +4
    Quote: Aerodrome
    The only thing I want to say is, correctly, that the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, The Hague has sent the heck .. they take on a lot.

    the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation did not send anyone anywhere, it is The Hague that violates international laws and treaties
  • sniperino
    sniperino 26 December 2020 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Aerodrome
    the only thing I want to say is right

    This is only because there is simply nothing else to say, perhaps.
  • fliger85
    fliger85 26 December 2020 14: 24
    +1
    This is what it means when Russia is ruled by an intelligent person, and not by a company of khanygs with the Jew Berezovsky and the swindler ChuRbais.
    1. for
      for 26 December 2020 16: 55
      -1
      Quote: fliger85
      a smart man rules

      And tell me what position the birch would hold if he was alive. Well, to hell with him at least Chubais "condemned", sitting only where.
      1. poquello
        poquello 26 December 2020 18: 15
        +1
        Quote: for
        Quote: fliger85
        a smart man rules

        And tell me what position the birch would hold if he was alive. Well, to hell with him at least Chubais "condemned", sitting only where.

        the same as occupied a Russian emigrant
      2. your1970
        your1970 28 December 2020 08: 16
        +1
        Under Putin, birch just rushed out of the Russian Federation abruptly ... What kind of positions are there ...
  • zazakon
    zazakon 1 January 2021 15: 34
    -1
    Absolutely NOT correct!
    How to bend your own in the courts, so our fellows, as they bend, send them right away)))
    No, let them pay !!!
    There is international recognition about the supremacy of the ECHR, for example, but ours are trying not to pay under the ECHR either.
    You can not do it this way!
    No offense ... I'm not a toxic or a bot, or a negativist. just Objectively!
    Khodorkovsky ... must be filed in Europe, for the arrest of Russian property. I do not know if this is real according to the law.
    The plane of the President of the Russian Federation, motorcade, consulates, embassies, military bases, arrest and that's it
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 26 December 2020 05: 35
    +6
    Well, they remembered about "international agreements" ...
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 26 December 2020 06: 39
      +25
      What is it that the maramoyki forgot about these contracts when the kakly refused to return 3 lard.
      1. Cron
        Cron 26 December 2020 07: 54
        +2
        Quote: Dodikson
        What is it that the maramoyki forgot about these contracts when the kakly refused to return 3 lard.

        This is the most famous English law. They even managed to throw us on the reinforced concrete Eurobonds. And in order to get out of this more or less with honor, and not to bring down the entire system of Eurobonds, which are held on their right, they are now using the Times Travel case, and will proceed from the results of this process, since their law is precedent. Although not the scale, not the essence of this case, they have nothing to do with the case between Russia and Ukraine
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 26 December 2020 11: 02
        +5
        If it turns out that if for any reason INTERNATIONAL contract turns out unratified and does not go through the procedure initiation, then this circumstance AUTOMATICALLY determines the status of the contract as NOTHING and unenforceable.
        This also means that Russia has gained a little more financial sovereignty (if the States suddenly do not decide to recognize the very existence of the Russian state on this planet as illegal. (Well, they can foolishly do this!)) laughing
      3. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 51
        -2
        Everything has its time...
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 26 December 2020 06: 56
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Well, they remembered about "international agreements" ...

      Then the opposing side may also fail to fulfill its obligations to Russia in terms of trade, technology and other things. With regard to the decision of the Constitutional Court, it is for domestic consumption - any international court will make decisions on the blockade or confiscation of movable and immovable property abroad. There are many examples of this. They took away the lands and houses of the embassies in America, so what? They didn't rush, they accepted. So you have to wait, the answer will be unambiguous
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 26 December 2020 07: 28
        +19
        Quote: Silvestr
        Then the opposing side may also fail to fulfill its obligations to Russia in terms of trade, technology and other things.

        Wait, wait stop ... But are such obligations fulfilled on their part in the conditions of the sanctions adopted by IMI?

        Let's remember at least the howl raised by the Siemens turbines, and the consequences due to a new round of sanctions pressure.
        This is just a special case of many.
        So is it worth talking about the other side as a conscientious partner?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 26 December 2020 09: 06
          +1
          Quote: BDRM 667
          So is it worth talking about the other side as a conscientious partner?

          Is it really about that?
          It is about the observance of previously signed international agreements until the 14th year
          1. BDRM 667
            BDRM 667 26 December 2020 09: 11
            +13
            Quote: Silvestr
            Is it really about that?



            Of course not. About that the "opposing side" (in all respects) changes the rules in the course of the game without regard to previously signed agreements.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 26 December 2020 09: 30
              +1
              Quote: BDRM 667
              The fact that the "opposing side" (in all respects) changes the rules in the course of the game without regard to the previously signed agreements.

              Moreover, the situation is such that we refuse to fulfill some of the signed agreements, and we carry out some of the same agreements. Raskoryaka!
              Earlier, the court had already issued an order to seize property, then suspended it. Now we predict the answer
              1. BDRM 667
                BDRM 667 26 December 2020 09: 34
                +8
                Quote: Silvestr
                Raskoryaka!

                And what was the "Collective West" counting on? Imposed sanctions - get a "raskoryak", which can be regarded as ours "asymmetric response" lol
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 26 December 2020 11: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: BDRM 667
                  as our "asymmetric answer"

                  Is it possible without emotion? When will they start arresting - what do you say?
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 26 December 2020 18: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    When will they start arresting - what do you say?

                    "And what about us?" (FROM) yes
                2. sniperino
                  sniperino 26 December 2020 14: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: BDRM 667
                  Imposed sanctions - get "raskoryaku"
                  If they want to live, they will not be so hot.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 26 December 2020 10: 37
                +6
                Quote: Silvestr
                We mean that the situation is such that we refuse to fulfill some of the signed agreements, and we fulfill some of the same agreements. Raskoryaka!

                Raskoryaka in the brain, but in real life RATIFIED treaties are being executed, NOT ratified -NO: see the decision of the Constitutional Court of Russia.

                It also states that investments in Russia - in the jurisdiction of Russia, respectively, are not subject to the Hague.

                And so all over the world, the same USA have UNRATIFIED treaties that are not going to fulfill
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 26 December 2020 11: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  It also states that investments in Russia - in the jurisdiction of Russia, respectively, are not subject to the Hague.

                  You tell fairy tales. Open your eyes wider - who is not subject to jurisdiction! Russia extradits Ukraine from the LDNR, pays it for transit, paid it by the decision of the courts and is not subject to jurisdiction! Kindergarten! Remove the blinders from your eyes
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 26 December 2020 12: 12
                    +8
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    You tell fairy tales. Open your eyes wider - who is not subject to jurisdiction!


                    Speak more specifically, without empty general chatter- in WHAT "fairy tales"?

                    Quote: Silvestr
                    paid her by court order and is not subject to jurisdiction!

                    Paid because recognized the court is an arbitrator in a LEGAL contract concluded BEFORE the deliveries.

                    Non-ratified contracts - NOT recognized and NOT paid.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 26 December 2020 13: 45
                      -2
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Paid because she recognized the court as an arbiter in a LEGAL contract concluded BEFORE the deliveries.

                      At last! The agreement was signed before Yukos! And now - we do not recognize!
                      The trial in The Hague was lost in February. The Energy Charter was signed earlier. Russia did not withdraw from the charter, and does not want to recognize the decisions of the courts under the same charter. There is either a cross or panties
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 26 December 2020 15: 00
                        +7
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        The trial in The Hague was lost in February. The Energy Charter was signed earlier. Russia did not withdraw from the charter, and does not want to recognize the decisions of the courts under the same charter.

                        Charter for Russia Does not exist, courts, respectively, on.

                        What's not clear?
          2. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 26 December 2020 13: 02
            +8
            They wrote to you that it has not been ratified ...
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 26 December 2020 11: 02
        -7
        Quote: Silvestr
        With regard to the decision of the Constitutional Court, it is for domestic consumption - any international court will make decisions on the blockade or confiscation of movable and immovable property abroad

        That will be so.
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 26 December 2020 13: 05
          +4
          Well, let's see what to throw ashes on your head ...
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 26 December 2020 13: 13
            -8
            Quote: Interlocutor
            Well, let's see what to throw ashes on your head ...

            A Dutch court has arrested Russian vodka brands Stolichnaya and Moskovskaya. They could be sold at a public auction to partially offset losses to former shareholders of the Russian oil company Yukos. "As long as Russia ignores international courts, we will confiscate Russian state property in accordance with the law," said Tim Osborne, a spokesman for former Yukos shareholders. And he promised that trademark claims are "just the beginning."
            1. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 26 December 2020 13: 19
              +5
              A Dutch court has arrested Russian vodka brands Stolichnaya and Moskovskaya.


              Brands are brands! let them be arrested as much as they want. What else is arrested? Half of Europe could be arrested. Are there investments from Russian business everywhere?
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 26 December 2020 14: 16
                +3
                Quote: Interlocutor
                Brands are brands! let them be arrested as much as they want.
                They have more brands. If anything, you can score on the brands of those countries where the fake Stolichnaya will be sold, if only the fakes are of high quality.
            2. Maikcg
              Maikcg 26 December 2020 13: 33
              +7
              The District Court of The Hague has lifted the seizure of the Stolichnaya and Moskovskaya trademarks, which belong to FKP Soyuzplodoimport, according to a court ruling published on October 27
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 26 December 2020 14: 00
                -10%
                Quote: MaikCG
                The District Court of The Hague has lifted the seizure of the Stolichnaya and Moskovskaya trademarks, which belong to FKP Soyuzplodoimport, according to a court ruling published on October 27

                I wrote earlier that it would be possible to come to an agreement, apparently they agreed on this arrest)))), but we probably won't know the details.
                1. Maikcg
                  Maikcg 27 December 2020 01: 09
                  +2
                  Well, there one of the sect so loudly promised that brands are just the beginning, well? Where is the continuation? You cited as an example that a rather flimsy argument with 2 non-physical assets will be negotiated because of the arrests of a foreigner, which turned out to be not 100 rubles, but a ruble, did not win, but lost ... And the fact of "agreement" is only yours. so it seems to me "windbag based on highley likely.
            3. bk0010
              bk0010 27 December 2020 15: 36
              +1
              Quote: RUSS
              And he promised that trademark claims are "just the beginning."
              Yes. Several retail chains are owned by the Dutch in Russia. They should be confiscated in response to the arrest of our brands.
      3. T.Henks
        T.Henks 26 December 2020 18: 38
        +1
        Don't get so excited. In the end, only the political will of the sovereign can be recognized. If we block foreign assets in shares of only blue chips, the children of the lascivious Western elite will have nothing to spread on their bread. Something like this.
      4. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 53
        0
        So you have to wait, the answer will be unambiguous

        Stop pulling the rubber. It's time to end colonial addiction.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 05: 38
    +19
    It would be a long time ago ... to the swindlers of the 90s to pay tribute by the decision of a rogue European or American court is already too ... it's good that at least now they have realized.
    1. Pavel Vladimirov
      Pavel Vladimirov 26 December 2020 05: 55
      -30%
      The fact of the matter is that tribute to the West is paid, and will be paid, and 50 billion is the money of Western investors who invested in this YUKOS not only invested, of course, but also dividends in the future.
      1. zampolit
        zampolit 26 December 2020 06: 36
        +24
        Did Western investors invest? What do you mean?
        They stupidly stopped paying people a salary so that they could sell their shares for a pittance, they even opened a depository in Nefteyugansk, near which crowds of young people curled up and pestered everyone to "buy shares". That's all the "attachments".
      2. oracul
        oracul 26 December 2020 08: 26
        +6
        I recommend reading the book by Lee Iacocchi "The Career of a Manager: Afterword", where he writes that funds received from the acquisition of shares should not be considered an investment, since they can be returned at any time through their sale. And investments are long-term investments, these are deferred income. Speculation on the stock exchange - bought at a lower price, sold at a higher price, they have nothing to do with this.
      3. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 26 December 2020 10: 17
        +3
        Quote: Pavel Vladimirov
        this is the money of western investors

        One stole on blood in troubled times, others invested in the fattened, and now they are crying.
      4. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 26 December 2020 13: 06
        0
        The fact of the matter is that the tribute to the West is paid, so it will be paid,

        More details about tribute, please.
      5. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 26 December 2020 19: 57
        -1
        tribute to the west is as paid and will be paid

        For this and the Strategic Missile Forces, that would not pay tribute.
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  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 26 December 2020 05: 51
    -46%
    Now I'm not writing about the "Yukos case" - although on the subject of the "Yukos case")))

    It does not matter who was there among the shareholders of Yukos - but Yukas was "squeezed out" by the state in violation of all conceivable laws of the Russian Federation, stupidly insolent, rightfully "who is stronger is right." am and after that we say that we have a "legal state" in the Russian Federation ?! belay

    It was necessary to take away Yukas according to the Laws, and not to take away stupidly by force - that's what I wrote good
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 05: 58
      +29
      and after that we say that we have a "legal state" in the Russian Federation ?!

      smile A normal phenomenon in capitalist society ... the Americans squeezed the Rusal away from Deripaska ... after all, no one is outraged ... why can they and Russia cannot do the same trick?
      In a wolf pack of capitalists there cannot be a member who does not correspond to the instincts of a wolf ... they will quickly devour and not choke ... capitalism after all ... what a rule of law is there.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 26 December 2020 06: 05
      +29
      Come on, then write nonsense! The state, in principle, cannot take something without a legal basis. It will simply create new laws if needed. And Yukos got burned out on taxes, which is a normal phenomenon all over the world. In the nineties, everyone did it. At YUKOS, among other things, the rest of the business was shown that it was no longer possible to do this. (According to the Federal Tax Service, after the YUKOS affair, almost all oil companies clarified their tax payment figures and began to contribute significantly larger amounts to the budget. In 2004, tax collection amounted to 250% of the 2003 level) In fact, his gravedigger turned out to be himself Hodor who thinks too much of himself.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 06: 08
        +19
        the gravedigger turned out to be the Hodor himself, who imagined too much of himself.

        He has the blood of people on his conscience ... it can never be forgiven. hi
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 26 December 2020 06: 17
          -29%
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Hodor himself turned out to be the gravedigger who thinks too much of himself.

          He has the blood of people on his conscience ... it can never be forgiven. hi

          voooot !!! good Khodorkovsky was actually imprisoned for who thinks too much of himself - I, as a lawyer with an incomplete higher education, cried under the table with laughter for what was charged to him ... and for which he sat down laughing laughing laughing

          and ... if my memory serves me ... A week later, as the former convict Khodorkovsky received both a Russian passport and a Russian passport, and flew away from the Russian Federation? ... belay
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 06: 24
            +14
            A week later, how did the former convict Khodorkovsky receive both a Russian passport and a Russian passport, and flew away from the Russian Federation?

            To my sick mother ...
            Putin said he felt sorry for Khodorkovsky and his mother.
            And for some reason there was no pity for those who were killed on a tip from Khodorkovsky. what
            I don’t believe that Hodor’s chief of security did this for personal reasons.
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 26 December 2020 06: 58
              -13%
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              A week later, how did the former convict Khodorkovsky receive both a Russian passport and a Russian passport, and flew away from the Russian Federation?

              To my sick mother ...
              Putin said he felt sorry for Khodorkovsky and his mother.
              And for some reason there was no pity for those who were killed on a tip from Khodorkovsky. what
              I don’t believe that Hodor’s chief of security did this for personal reasons.

              yeah ... like Navalny (NOT !!! otzdny) as Putin himself said - almost literally - you can watch it on YouTube - as soon as Navalny's wife turned to him - he immediately gave the go-ahead to Navalny's departure by plane ?! )))))))) For example, if my wife suddenly manages to "reach out" to Putin - this is a few years after all)))))))))
              1. Igoresha
                Igoresha 26 December 2020 18: 43
                0
                so he immediately gave the go-ahead to Navalny's departure by plane ?! )
                the deflection of course was valid, so only in the Kremlin they can))
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 26 December 2020 06: 40
            +3
            I had to finish. Maybe I wouldn't have had to laugh. We would have started to separate different criminal cases ...
      2. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 26 December 2020 06: 11
        -24%
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Come on, then write nonsense! The state, in principle, cannot take something without a legal basis. It will simply create new laws if needed. And Yukos got burned out on taxes, which is a normal phenomenon all over the world. In the nineties, everyone did it. At YUKOS, among other things, the rest of the business was shown that it was no longer possible to do this. (According to the Federal Tax Service, after the YUKOS affair, almost all oil companies clarified their tax payment figures and began to contribute significantly larger amounts to the budget. In 2004, tax collection amounted to 250% of the 2003 level) In fact, his gravedigger turned out to be himself Hodor who thinks too much of himself.

        I’m with you - (if you forgot) - I don’t argue since summer))) You then live in "Russia of the future" bulk - I am in the current reality))) love
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 December 2020 06: 14
          +9
          What?)))) What kind of Russia?) Anal?) You are confusing me with someone))) I can't stand this crap. As for the topic of discussion, as I understand it, you have nothing to say about it
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 26 December 2020 06: 40
            -16%
            Quote: carstorm 11
            What?)))) What kind of Russia?) Anal?) You are confusing me with someone))) I can't stand this crap. As for the topic of discussion, as I understand it, you have nothing to say about it

            Yes Yes Yes!!! bully in your "Russia anal" (your words -if what wassat ) You live in Russia of a "bright future" - where everything is according to the laws of "Russia of the future")))) where a thief should sit in a tower - but !!! according to the laws of "Russia of the future"))) and in my Russia a neighbor in a dacha built such a mansion, where it is not a shame to accept Putin's "seven" ... where a neighbor has only one fountain with fish costs more than my whole dacha taken together tongue But officially my salary is 100.000 rubles a month, and from him she was deprived of everything by the Deputy Gai with a salary of 80.000 rubles)))))))))
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 26 December 2020 06: 49
              +3
              And what have I and your neighbor to do with it?) I don't have a summer residence at all, so, compared to me, you are not the most correct person either?)))
      3. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 06: 14
        +10
        It will simply create new laws if needed.

        Do you remember the story of the Sakhalin-2 scandal? ... there are necessary laws ... you just need to apply them correctly to a particular case. hi
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 December 2020 06: 19
          +7
          Could be so. Also a fix for the mistakes of the nineties.
      4. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 06: 35
        +2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Come on then write nonsense! The state, in principle, cannot take something without a legal basis. It will simply create new laws if needed. And Yukos got burned out on taxes, which is a normal phenomenon all over the world. In the nineties, everyone did it.

        fellow Yes, hell with them, and celery under their arm ...
        Here in 2020, an unpleasant story happened with Norilsk Nickel ... The amount of damage caused by this enterprise:
        Rosprirodnadzor has estimated the amount of environmental damage from fuel spills at CHPP-3 of Norilsk Nickel at almost 148 billion rubles.

        Although, according to independent experts, this amount could have been higher, and the measures of influence on Norilsk Nickel are tougher, all the more so since another accident happened next ... BUT !!!
        According to NTEK, the total amount of environmental damage is 21,4 billion rubles.

        Let's use this example to trace what levers the state is able to use in this case, and whether Mr. Potanin will become an "outcast" in the Russian state.
        hi
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 06: 39
          +2
          and whether Mr. Potanin will become an "outcast" in the Russian state.

          Unlikely what maybe he is in the cage of people Putin needs ... but the damage of 21,4 billion rubles will be compensated as usual by all Russian citizens by increasing prices for Norilsk Nickel's products along the chain of other goods ... there is no other option.
          1. Alexander X
            Alexander X 26 December 2020 10: 34
            0
            There is another option: to direct the profit from the activity to repay the damage or take into account the costs of repaying damage in the full cost of production, which will lead to a decrease in retained earnings ...
            And an increase in prices for products will only lead to a refusal to purchase products and buy them from competitors.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 December 2020 06: 46
          +2
          I do not understand environmental expertise. Just zero. Accordingly, I cannot estimate the amount of damage. But I know well how the assessment works in principle. One side brings down the maximum amount the other minimum. As a result, there will be an average that will suit everyone. This is how it works in the world. So it is with us. But why should he become an outcast if everything is corrected and extinguished? In my country, this is more important than pointing a finger at someone. IMHO of course
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 08: 15
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            As a result, there will be an average which will suit everyone.

            Judging by the words of the song, do you think that the consequences of the accident, covered with snow, can be estimated on average?
            Quote: carstorm 11
            This is how it works in the world.

            And exactly, what exactly is the way you are describing to us here? Look at the ecological disasters of the last decades and the forms of retribution for them ... Why is it not surprising that a group of "liquidators" report to the president on a complete clean-up, and these very traces of fuel are found in the delta?
            Quote: carstorm 11
            So it is with us, and why should he become an outcast if everything is corrected and extinguished?

            Let him fix it first. And you don't need to pay off anything, you need to allocate funds on time for the modernization of production and keep it under control, entrusting the process to proven personnel, and not to henchmen working for a big profit. Potanin and other brothers made themselves outcasts much earlier, having appropriated the people's property with forgeries and bylaws. All this has been passed and agreed upon hundreds of times, and in Russia everyone knows how privatization was carried out and how investment and voucher funds disappeared ... You also tell us the legend about the "toiler" Potanin, that from the age of 14, working day and night, he made first (start-up) capital ...
            Isn't that why you and others like you "registered" on the site and try to fool people's brains? Give your arguments and we will rejoice at the labor successes of Potanin, Deripaska and other "legitimate" owners of mineral resources, which according to the constitution belong to the people. At the same time, we will learn from Mr. Shokhin how the development of industry proceeds, which gives the economy growth in the size of the error:
            The Ministry of Economic Development and Trade has estimated Russia's GDP growth in 2019 at 1,4%.

            And how glad we are that instead of 100 matchboxes the enterprise began to produce 101 ...
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 26 December 2020 08: 38
              0
              I am also not a liquidator of environmental disasters and, again, I cannot evaluate the work. I do not know how. And therefore I do not argue on this topic. And why should I evaluate Potanin somehow?) I am sorry, let him fix it and pay. I spoke only about the difference in the assessment) and that you would know, yes. Everything is valued on average and in money.
            2. your1970
              your1970 28 December 2020 11: 32
              +1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              it is necessary to allocate funds on time for the modernization of production and keep control of its state, entrusting the process to proven personnel, and not to henchmen working for a big profit.

              And please remind me - which of the people of the level of the leadership of Gazprom / the Minister of Oil and Gas sat in the USSR for the disaster in Ufa - when people burned out on two trains?
              Who was personally responsible for the profane control of his condition?
              Who sat down for not taking care of its timely overhaul / replacement?
              These people did not steal, no ... They just had Feng Shui ...
              "Oh, accident ...."
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 28 December 2020 14: 51
                0
                Quote: your1970
                And please remind me - which of the people of the level of the leadership of Gazprom / the Minister of Oil and Gas sat in the USSR for the disaster in Ufa - when people burned out on two trains?

                First. Remind me, what position does Mr. Potanin hold in the state apparatus (government) of the Russian Federation? Second. Remind me, what relation do people of the level of the Minister of the Oil and Gas Industry have to the accident, the causes of which are the leakage of condensate from the formed crack? That in the Chernobyl accident, that in this accident the people operating the main line (in Chernobyl - the nuclear power plant) are to blame ... This is a Russian maybe.
                As for the punishment - to the SMS ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 28 December 2020 21: 38
                  0
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Remind me, how do people of the level of the Minister of the Oil and Gas Industry have to do with the accident, the causes of which are the leakage of condensate from the formed crack?

                  I realized - "This is different !!" ....

                  The difference between them is only one - one rower had a shovel of money, the second had nothing from this pipe ... That's it ...
                  Where did the crack come from? Was the pipe of poor quality / old? Who was responsible for the repair / replacement of the line? Vasya Pushkin?
                  Now they beat their hoof on the ground- "Potanin personally should have noticed the defect, personally! !!!!"

                  Both of these accidents have one reason - absolute indifference, exacerbated by the unwillingness to spend money. Then the state-owned ones are now their own, and this is the only difference ..

                  Z. Y. I am in Feng Shui Potanin - I feel sorry for the people who died then for nothing, just because of the negligence of big officials
          2. syndicalist
            syndicalist 26 December 2020 08: 38
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            One side brings down the maximum amount the other minimum. As a result, there will be an average that will suit everyone.

            So it would be if we were to sue. This scheme does not work with Potanins. They buy both examinations and in the end they will not pay even the minimum, but what they pay them will be compensated later from the budget, by increasing taxes to us.
      5. Pilot
        Pilot 26 December 2020 06: 50
        -2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Come on then write nonsense! The state, in principle, cannot take something without a legal basis.
        And how do you explain the conclusion of the Constitutional Court, which in this case looks like a fidgety law firm .. I mean a new constitutional amendment (the legislation of the Russian Federation is higher than the international one) which the Constitutional Court for some reason could not apply in this case. And if the agreement was ratified, then you would have to pay, i.e. admit his guilt, is it so? Then what is that amendment for? request
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 26 December 2020 06: 53
          +2
          Read these amendments. Very carefully. Do not grab one phrase and read it all.
          1. Pilot
            Pilot 26 December 2020 07: 01
            -2
            Thank you, you explained your passage)) In one thing, you are right, then all the crooks and those and these were engaged in fraud, however, they continue .. As you know, the grave will fix the humpbacked one.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 26 December 2020 07: 05
              -1
              It's just easier than reading lectures on the amendment prohibiting the implementation of international treaties if they contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation
    3. KCA
      KCA 26 December 2020 06: 07
      +5
      Who among the kings said "I am the law", and so here we, at least sometimes, the state is the law, the rest, as in the old, still Soviet-era saying - the problems of the blacks of the sheriff are not ...
    4. Odysseus
      Odysseus 26 December 2020 06: 15
      -5
      Quote: Corona without virus
      It doesn't matter who was there among the shareholders of Yukos - but the state "squeezed" Yukas in violation of all conceivable laws of the Russian Federation, stupidly insolent, rightfully "who is stronger is right" and after that we say that we have a "rule of law" in Russia "?

      Only an insane or paid propagandist can say that Russia is a legal state.
      This is not the point, yes, Yukos was squeezed out not according to the law, but in exactly the same way he privatized public property against the law, and then acted against the law.
      If you follow the law, then all "effective owners" and all officials should be imprisoned equally.
      The point in this case is not at all about the law, but about politics.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 26 December 2020 08: 49
        +5
        Quote: Odyssey
        This is not the point, yes, Yukos was squeezed out not according to the law, but in exactly the same way he privatized public property against the law, and then acted against the law.
        If you follow the law, then all "effective owners" and all officials should be imprisoned equally.

        Definitely .. and on the same basis, you can return all state property that was privatized back to the state property.
      2. spolo
        spolo 26 December 2020 15: 27
        +1
        That is, if the company is bankrupt, tax debtor or something else, a manager is installed, then it is sold and the buyer is called a squeezer ????
    5. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 26 December 2020 06: 53
      +5
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I'm not writing about the Yukos affair right now, although I am also writing about the Yukos affair.

      If, after all, within the framework of the case, then it probably will not be superfluous to remember citizen case Khodarkovsky, according to which he passed in the role of the customer of the murders of competitors.
      And then extremely strange circumstance, in which he straight from prison (pardoned by the president !!!) went straight for the cordon.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 26 December 2020 10: 06
        -2
        took place in the role of the customer of the killings of competitors.

        Just like with Furgal ..))
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 27 December 2020 15: 38
          0
          Quote: Roman070280
          Just like with Furgal ..))
          Yes, but Furgal was acquitted on this charge.
      2. your1970
        your1970 28 December 2020 11: 35
        0
        His sentence had practically expired when he was pardoned ... Unfortunately legal fact ....
    6. mark2
      mark2 26 December 2020 06: 57
      +1
      According to the law and squeezed out, as you say. Khodor and Lebed were convicted, not killed; Yukos went through bankruptcy proceedings. Everything is according to the law.
      Don't you like these laws? And I like Rosneft
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 26 December 2020 08: 58
        +5
        Quote: mark2
        And I like Rosneft

        I also like Sechin terribly. Why are the liberals rolling barrels at him? Well, he brought the company to a loss, because business happens. Nothing, we will compensate from the budget!
    7. bayard
      bayard 26 December 2020 07: 16
      +4
      Everything was fine there - for non-payment of taxes, confiscation and time.
      Or do you think that Misha got the oil industry according to the law?
      His partner (and his deputy), Mevzlin, was given the money to leave, because he understood everything and did not drive him. And they gave it to others. But the authorities were also removed from the country.
      And Misha, the guy is ambitious, proud and very, very engaged.
      Now let's see how the authorities will fight off these fines if, according to old memory (since the 90s), they begin to arrest property abroad.
      But they can also arrest the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation and get their hands on it. After all, we do not store the moneybox at home, they don’t invest in the economy, they don’t lend to businesses and national projects from it, but they invest in the most reliable securities of the enemy. yes
      So that for sure and less trouble for partners.
      And gold - everything mined in Russia this year is exported to England and Switzerland in full. bully So that it lies well. The right owners.
      And it would seem ... why not pay? wassat
      After all, Ukraine was paid?
      Paid. yes
      And Poland, paid?
      Paid. yes
      To the amusing IOC for the unimaginable "doping" (meldonium) lol , paid?
      Paid. yes
      So what's the question? bully
      Is the amount large? smile
      So after all, if you pay, then the appetite - GROWS. yes
      It would be necessary to somehow decide - you are a colony, or ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 26 December 2020 07: 27
        +3
        what papers? have you been sleeping in recent years or what? what kind of gold do they export? this is COMMERCIAL gold. they sell it there. And gold - everything mined in Russia this year, this is such fierce nonsense that it’s even ridiculous to export to England and Switzerland in full. its location has never been hidden and where it is known to anyone who wants to. I am more and more convinced that a new Internet posting law is necessary ...
        1. bayard
          bayard 26 December 2020 07: 45
          0
          So you think that keeping gold and foreign exchange reserves in gold is bad?
          Is it good in the enemy's papers?
          Quote: carstorm 11
          this is COMMERCIAL gold.

          Which until this year was COMPLETELY bought into the state reserve.
          For gold in a crisis period is the most reliable investment and means of payment.
          So why converting the foreign exchange accumulations of reserve funds into physical gold is evil and a terrible sin before liberalism?
          Why not keep the state money box in this noble metal?
          Simulate nat. currency for the purchased amount and putting the ingots, as the physical security of this issue, in the storage facilities of the reserve fund?
          Quote: carstorm 11
          I am more and more convinced that a new Internet posting law is necessary ...

          I have no doubt that you just need this.
          For there are no arguments in your nature to argue.

          And Misha was put on business.
          But not all.
          For all of him, several higher measures are required.
          hi
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 26 December 2020 07: 59
            0
            commercial gold is traded in England by miners. from whom the state also buys if it needs to. its gold is stored in bullion domestically. What are you doing here with a big top? production has increased. companies are trading. something left over from the past. prices have gone up this is a reason. what does the state and all your promises have to do with it ?! The Central Bank does not buy all the gold that is mined in the country, but only how much it needs. the rest is sold to others. you here started to write outright lies that everyone is taking it somewhere and to someone ... it is SOLD! the state keeps the money box in what it needs. assets cannot but be different. Where is gold stored? or can you collect gold reserves in Yandex? Russia has been buying up huge quantities of gold over the past years - bad. prices soared decided to sell a little badly. commercial gold selling is bad. figs you will understand why everything is mixed in a heap ... almost all the money was withdrawn from the states, everything is wrong again ...
            1. bayard
              bayard 26 December 2020 08: 16
              0
              I mean that the state has stopped, it has stopped buying gold mined in the Russian Federation. And this is strategic metal. It is much more reliable than a paper or electronic dollar \ euro \ yuan ... the yuan can be exchanged for physical gold at least ...
              This is a claim against the state, which has changed its practice - the accumulation of physical gold for the transition to the gold equivalent of the ruble. In any case, this is exactly how this practice was positioned by the authorities in previous years. But in this ... with a surplus (!) Of the budget and the continuation of saving the "cream" from the sale of oil in ... the securities of the enemy (and our enemy himself called us an enemy, and this is a legal fact) ...
              The "miners" never have the freedom to sell gold. This has always required a license and personal permission from the government.
              And this year they received this permission.
              For the entire volume!
              When gold rises in price, the dollar as a reliable payment instrument raises more and more questions, and the air smells more and more of war. At the same time, those who spread this smell of war call Russia their direct enemy, threaten with arrest of our deposits and impose ever more absurd fines and sanctions on Russia.
              Do you really think that in such an environment - a practically real, full-fledged Cold War, it is the securities of our ENEMY that are safer, more reliable and more useful? lol
              Are you really that naive and gullible, or is it trolling with chutzpah elements?
              And where does this concern for Michael come from?
              Do you know him?
              Are you his paid or ideological bot?
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 26 December 2020 08: 33
                -1
                This year only. Buying up hundreds of tons of it annually. The prices on the market have risen, they have begun to buy less. What's so unusual ?! And again, it is SOLD !!! and not taken out to uncles for storage. The enemy's securities have been sold long ago. Remained only for operational needs about 10 billion. At 14, it was 170.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 26 December 2020 08: 48
                  +3
                  And our enemy is only on the other side of the ocean?
                  Aren't "partners" on this side of the Atlantic imposing sanctions and fines on us?
                  Including the Yukos case?
                  After all, deposits from American securities flowed into European and partly Chinese ones. This money did not return to the budget and turnover.
                  It's like pumping out liters of blood from an organism suffering from anemia and storing it in a "very reliable bank" of this very blood ... of the economy.
                  For the purchase of physical gold, you can safely issue (print) rubles and use them to pay for the purchase of this very gold. Gold is the best security for any currency.
                  And if the FRS ... sorry, the Central Bank does not order, then at least part of those "extra" money from oil proceeds in excess of the "Budgetary rule" can and should be safely used to purchase gold. Ideally, all the gold mined in the country. Or you can buy from abroad, because the proceeds for oil are in foreign currency.
                  But this is if you think about the interests of the state, its security, development and prosperity.
                  In the colonies it is different.
                  And it is very likely that at the beginning of the past year, Solntseliky was still broken to an almost complete surrender. Throughout the course of events and decisions taken, this is so.

                  But I WOULD LIKE to be wrong about that.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 26 December 2020 09: 12
                    0
                    I will answer the whole text as follows - this year they made more money on gold than on oil)
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 26 December 2020 09: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      I will answer the whole text as follows - this year they made more money on gold than on oil)

                      And prices immediately went up. yes
                      And they continued to accumulate dollars and euros in the "reserve fund" (reserves continued to grow this year) ..
                      I mean that it is better and more reliable to load gold into this fund. Not a security from the enemy, but a physical personification of money.
                      After all, if they stopped buying gold, it means that the idea of ​​the "golden ruble" - untied from the dollar - was finally decided to be abandoned.
                      And this is surrender.
                      This is a marker.
                      This is a reconnaissance sign.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 26 December 2020 10: 26
                        -1
                        Just stocking gold is not an option either. Therefore, all reserves have a different structure and tend to change depending on world changes.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 26 December 2020 11: 37
                        +3
                        Gold is rising in price and will continue to rise in price in the coming years, so this is a profitable investment. Moreover, gold is a good safety cushion and "currency" for strategic purchases in wartime.
                        And of course the idea of ​​the "golden ruble" was good, and (most importantly) - correct. A currency with a gold content / equivalent is the hardest possible currency. And it is possible to issue such a currency only under the backing of gold.
                        With 3000 tons of physical gold, Russia could well have done this ... but went to a different address ...
                        It's a pity .
                  2. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 29 December 2020 05: 15
                    0
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    I will answer the whole text as follows - this year they made more money on gold than on oil)

                    Who earned it? What is our benefit?
                    Here you can weave anything about "wisdom and foresight", only - DUNNIA (we have no "stupid people"). And gold is sold at a profit, and the NWF is formed with an increase ...
                    Only this is the situation:
                    Domestic debt:
                    2000 - about 500 rubles
                    2020 - about 10 rubles
                    External debt:
                    2000 - $ 178
                    2019 - $ 481
                    And here is a purely public debt:
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 29 December 2020 07: 01
                      0
                      do not mix commercial and government debt. ... There is a crisis in the world. Of course he grew up. Kaa and everyone. Did Ato work? Business pancake. From which he paid taxes to the treasury.
                2. Whirlwind
                  Whirlwind 26 December 2020 20: 16
                  +1
                  But I WOULD LIKE to be wrong about that.

                  Fortunately, about the past year, you are wrong.
                  But there is a year of tectonic shifts ahead, as the Commander-in-Chief said and what, where and how he will move and by whom he will move, one can only guess ...
    8. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 27 December 2020 18: 04
      0
      Quote: bayard
      His partner (and his deputy), Mevzlin, was given the money to leave, because he understood everything and did not send it


      But according to the law, for non-payment of taxes is confiscation and a term. And he was allowed to leave. Did you dare to break the law?
      1. bayard
        bayard 27 December 2020 19: 59
        0
        Mevzlin, after convincing advice, immediately left for Israel and did not go there anymore - he knew that apart from non-payment of taxes, they both had a lot of things hanging.
        And Gusinsky did the same.
        And Berezovsky.
        And Misha decided to go to war, transferring (preparing the transfer) of Yukos shares to the Americans in exchange for shares in their companies ... But he did not have time - immediately after returning to Moscow he was accepted.
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Did you dare to break the law?

        The law is for citizens.
        You apparently did not read the Russian Constitution carefully. It is based on Roman Law, so we have two categories of people, and this is reflected in their rights.
        In the rights of a HUMAN and a CITIZEN.
        A person is someone who has all the rights and privileges from birth.
        A citizen has duties and his life is regulated by the Law.
        Therefore, people in our country are not punished, except for the sake of apostasy and only "apostates" and who have completely lost their shores.
        Khodorkovsky lost its banks and was imprisoned as an example to others.
        And he served his term almost to the end.
        And released by the personal decision of the president.
        And those who heeded the words of the "comrades" left, keeping all their savings and deposits.
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Did you dare to break the law?

        No, they performed it.
        It's just such a law.
        The laws must be read ... carefully.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 27 December 2020 20: 06
          0
          You have written so much, and everything is off topic. It makes no sense to answer on all points, just fix the differences:

          Quote: bayard
          The law is for citizens.


          Nevzlin (this is how his surname is spelled), Berezovsky, Potanin and many others, no less smeared - citizens. But only Khodorkovsky sat down (and Lebedev is not Lebed). This is called "everything to friends, to enemies - the law." Which is essentially lawlessness.
          1. bayard
            bayard 27 December 2020 21: 35
            0
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            "everything for friends, law for enemies"

            This is the Law according to the Constitution.
            But Nevzlin was not a friend of Putin, he was just the person * to whom the proposals were made.
            And the citizen would, of course, be arrested.
            But the difference in the status of these two concepts, of course, is not advertised.
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Which is essentially lawlessness.

            It may be called unjust and immoral, but it is the Law.
            Basic Law of the State.
            And it works.
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Nevzlin (this is how his surname is spelled)

            Yes, it was sealed, I knew him.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 27 December 2020 22: 05
              0
              Quote: bayard
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              "everything for friends, law for enemies"

              This is the Law according to the Constitution.


              No. Before the law (and even more so the Law), everyone is equal. And in this case, obviously not.
              1. bayard
                bayard 27 December 2020 22: 35
                0
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                No. Before the law (and even more so the Law), everyone is equal. And in this case, obviously not.

                Take a closer look, there separately:
                - Human rights .
                - and the rights and obligations (!) of a citizen.
                The "man" has only rights.
                A citizen has rights and obligations.
                And you know very well that "Everyone is equal before the law, but there are those who are more equal."
                Of course this is unfair ... but this is the Law ... And these are the rules. Someone is imprisoned for a stolen chocolate bar, and someone is promoted for a stolen billion. request
  • Cron
    Cron 26 December 2020 07: 25
    +7
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Now I'm not writing about the "Yukos case" - although on the subject of the "Yukos case")))

    It does not matter who was there among the shareholders of Yukos - but Yukas was "squeezed out" by the state in violation of all conceivable laws of the Russian Federation, stupidly insolent, rightfully "who is stronger is right." am and after that we say that we have a "legal state" in the Russian Federation ?! belay

    It was necessary to take away Yukas according to the Laws, and not to take away stupidly by force - that's what I wrote good

    Wait a minute, at first everyone demands that all those who took off the last cowards from the people, distracting them to the civil war, sending the most active and violent there, be shot, and now we are talking about the "rule of law"? That is, this is the plan of all liberals? To play on the feelings of the people, and return everything to the "legal" owners?
    And according to what laws did the USSR collapse? By what right? We must accept this right: “We were not engaged in collecting money, but destroying communism. ... And we knew that every plant sold is a nail in the coffin of communism. Is it expensive, cheap, free, with a surcharge - the twentieth question, the twentieth. ... Privatization in Russia before 97 was not an economic process at all. She solved a completely different scale of the problem, which few people understood then, and even more so in the West. She was solving the main task - to stop communism. We have solved this problem. We solved it completely. " - A. Chubais. So by what right was a people made beggars?
    And how many people were inundated in the 90s? By what right? Where is Petukhov? Who, like a beggar, asked for beggarly interest for the city? Khodorkovsky decided that he was stealing them? Was that why he gave money to the people himself? To whom, how much, who controlled it? And who is he to make such decisions? The God? King? Feudal lord? Or just another crook and thief?
    It turns out that Putin does everything right when certain people are not touched? Everything is according to the canons of a "legal" state. Why, then, were all different?
    That is, everything was clean in Yukos? Investments have entered, and the people have become beggars? Well, that's great, how.
    And Khodorkovsky did not conduct everything through a British offshore? What was the name of one character from England who died suddenly after the fall of a new private helicopter? Which served the interests of Russian oligarchs.
    That is, Khodor complains that the power of the security forces has been established. Apparently he wanted to establish the power of the oligarchs as in Ukraine. It is a pity that we really did not have the power of the security forces, but they were well distracted in the 90s, and it is a pity that they did not shoot all these devils like mad dogs, following the example of Egypt.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 14: 51
      +2
      Quote: Cron
      To play on the feelings of the people, and return everything to the "legal" owners?
      Mikhail's entrepreneurial genius has suffered greatly from sewing mittens, he cannot do anything else, and for this he will also require separate compensation and a disability group.
  • Private-K
    Private-K 26 December 2020 10: 29
    +1
    Quote: Corona without virus
    Yukas was "squeezed" by the state in violation of all conceivable laws of the Russian Federation,

    Squeezing any businesses, any financial assets, real estate, etc. has been in human history since time immemorial! Since ancient times they have been flowing in spite of social formations, forms of government, type of ruling regimes, etc. The most famous exemplary textbook example is Sulla's scriptures in Dr. Rome.
    They are still happening now. Incl. in the United States itself. Yeah.
    So, there is nothing specifically Russian about the push itself. Moreover, it is in the "Yukos case" that the reasons for which the Yukos property законно transferred to the Russian state.
    The "Yukos affair" acquired special significance because the ultimate beneficiaries (that is, the real owners behind the chain of "interlayer firms" turned out to be the Rothschild clan itself - they personally, the very ones ...)
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 27 December 2020 20: 12
      0
      Quote: Private-K
      The most famous exemplary textbook example is Sulla's scriptures in Dr. Rome.
      They are still happening now. Incl. in the United States itself. Yeah.


      Tell us about proscriptions (this word is spelled correctly) in the USA now.
  • Reklastik
    Reklastik 26 December 2020 10: 57
    +1
    It was necessary to take away Yukas according to the Laws
    - there were no such laws. LEGALLY, the state could not even find fault with Yukos over non-payment of taxes: YUKOS skillfully used logical holes, loopholes in tax laws. But the state could not put up with this, otherwise it was worthless. And they punished YUKOS in a semi-legal way. It was impossible not to punish. Yukos was formally legal, but essentially dishonest, avoided payment. Well, the state acted semi-legally. Everything is fair.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 26 December 2020 14: 23
    -2
    Quote: Corona without virus
    Yukas was "squeezed out" by the state in violation of all conceivable laws of the Russian Federation, stupidly insolent, rightfully "who is stronger is right" and after that we say that we have a "rule of law" in the Russian Federation ?!
    It is good when the corona is without a virus, and when it is without a head it is bad. request Or do you call the saucepan "crown" ...
  • T.Henks
    T.Henks 26 December 2020 18: 45
    0
    You are my friend, a dreamer! Never in a wolf pack, and even a hungry one, sheep laws were not observed.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 26 December 2020 05: 55
    +11
    Wipe up with their charter and send them to The Hague. Mishka probably ran out of money.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 06: 01
      +4
      Mishka probably ran out of money.

      Probably ... he was robbed there by friends in quotation marks just like Berezovsky.
      One hope ... can rip off something from Chubais for his past sins.
  • Altona
    Altona 26 December 2020 06: 03
    +8
    First, we need to find out the legality of the privatization of oil and gas companies. And from that moment on, legal insolvency becomes clear. Further, they squeezed the conditional Khodorkovsky, gave the conditional Sechin. In general, the people still pay. So, such decisions of the courts are incomprehensible to me. Buns for oligarchs, payments to the people.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 26 December 2020 06: 10
      +4
      First, you need to find out the legality of the privatization of oil and gas companies.

      In the course of this clarification, such threads can crawl out to interesting people and their sins that it is better not to do this for the peace of the current government ... it is better to be silent in a tube, otherwise they will be accused of slander. smile
      1. Altona
        Altona 26 December 2020 06: 51
        +3
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        In the course of this clarification,

        -----------------------------
        So there, in principle, such ears stick out, you don't even need to dig too much. However, the bourgeois courts stubbornly evade inconvenient facts by delegating the "sacred right of property" from some worthless characters to others.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 26 December 2020 07: 06
      0
      Alas, everything is legitimate. According to our constitution, natural resources can be in any form of ownership, that is, they can belong to anyone, including foreigners.
      1. Altona
        Altona 27 December 2020 07: 21
        +1
        Quote: Herman 4223
        According to our constitution

        ----------------------------
        According to your constitution, which is retroactive and retroactive laws?
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 27 December 2020 16: 51
          0
          If you live in Russia, then yours too. What does the opposite effect of the laws have to do with it? It was adopted in 1993 and is still in effect. All privatization was carried out in accordance with the laws based on this constitution. That is, everything is according to the law.
          1. Altona
            Altona 27 December 2020 19: 58
            +1
            Quote: Herman 4223
            If you live in Russia, then yours too.

            -------------------------
            The current one is definitely not mine, I did not vote for it in any way. We have a constitution, as it were, but it is paralyzed. We will not go into details further.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 27 December 2020 20: 27
              +1
              Why don't we? Let's go where she is paralyzed. This is the basic law of the country, all the laws and rules of life in the country, the entire state system is created in accordance with it.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 26 December 2020 06: 14
    +4
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Now I'm not writing about the "Yukos case" - although on the subject of the "Yukos case")))

    It does not matter who was there among the shareholders of Yukos - but Yukas was "squeezed out" by the state in violation of all conceivable laws of the Russian Federation, stupidly insolent, rightfully "who is stronger is right." am and after that we say that we have a "legal state" in the Russian Federation ?! belay

    It was necessary to take away Yukas according to the Laws, and not to take away stupidly by force - that's what I wrote good

    Oops, the defenders showed up)))
    Are you strong in the "conceivable" laws of the Russian Federation?
    If you write that, then you can list them, right?
    The criminal component of Yukos' activities can be omitted when it comes to fellow fighters, right? ;)
  • otto9966
    otto9966 26 December 2020 06: 20
    +3
    Saw Shura, Saw laughing
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 26 December 2020 06: 23
    +6
    Russia really did not ratify the Energy Charter (although it signed it), but the question is, why did they litigate and appeal if they do not recognize jurisdiction?
    In general, such actions are a favorite tactic of the West for fencing with flags, there are court decisions, and then the West can close its eyes (in case of good behavior), or it can open it (in case of bad behavior) and constantly threaten to seize state property abroad.
    It's okay, but there is always a reserve resource for pressure.
    1. Cron
      Cron 26 December 2020 07: 34
      -1
      Quote: Odyssey
      Russia really did not ratify the Energy Charter (although it signed it), but the question is, why did they litigate and appeal if they do not recognize jurisdiction?
      In general, such actions are a favorite tactic of the West for fencing with flags, there are court decisions, and then the West can close its eyes (in case of good behavior), or it can open it (in case of bad behavior) and constantly threaten to seize state property abroad.
      It's okay, but there is always a reserve resource for pressure.

      Do you think that there are all white and fluffy up there? Or where more naive, stupid? So someone needed to involve Russia in this process, and then mold reservations and play a fool, they say, he wanted the best. It's still about $ 50 billion
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 26 December 2020 11: 02
      0
      In general, such actions are a favorite tactic of the West for fencing with flags, there are court decisions, and then the West can close its eyes (in case of good behavior), or it can open it (in case of bad behavior) and constantly threaten to seize state property abroad.

      Or maybe stop all business with the West, close all the taps and turn to the east? Russia will live without the West, but the West will win without Russia.
      1. Altona
        Altona 27 December 2020 07: 23
        0
        Quote: Alex Justice
        close all taps and turn to the east

        -----------------------------------------
        Erdogan and Chairman Xi will help you. Hasn't this situation already happened?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 06: 24
    +1
    The actual permission of the Russian Constitutional Court not to pay $ 57 billion in the Yukos case is commented on in the West

    This is the first step towards defending state sovereignty. Let's see who will shame, and who will heat with wood ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 26 December 2020 07: 14
      +3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      This is the first step towards defending state sovereignty.

      -----------------------------
      It is rather a "dispute between business entities" whose financial decision leads to major political consequences. The "first step" would be to withdraw from the WTO and revise the onerous terms with it.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 26 December 2020 15: 28
        0
        Quote: Altona
        The "first step" would be to withdraw from the WTO and revise the onerous terms with it
        For this step, it would be necessary to prepare legislation in accordance with the adopted amendments.
      2. T.Henks
        T.Henks 26 December 2020 19: 03
        +2
        Does anyone know how many standard pages there are in this WTO agreement? And who read it all here at least? I suspect not. About five years ago, someone meticulous conducted a comparative analysis of the authenticity of the English and Russian texts. The results are amazing. In many places there is no match at all. The preamble and the final part with the signatures only coincided.
        Only Russia managed to sign 100% of the text. Do you know which part China has signed and ratified? You will be surprised only articles that are beneficial for China. But they also put the members of the Central Committee and the ministers against the wall. Therefore, they have to answer for the market.
  • common man
    common man 26 December 2020 06: 26
    +11
    Declare that the payment of 50 billion. from the country's budget is a threat to the national security of the country and impose sanctions on this fine. Yes, do not forget to include this item in the country's defense budget.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 December 2020 06: 38
    +4
    In the West, they comment on the position of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, trying to state that Russia allegedly violates an international treaty
    Who can talk about the violation of international treaties, but not the West. Khodorkovsky broke off under the guise of a biased court decision in The Hague to receive billions from Russia. It's nice when the direct enemy of the country at least sees a big fig, and even more pleasant when they (enemies) wrap their flippers.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 December 2020 06: 41
    +2
    Ex-head of Yukos Mikhail Khodorkovsky
    I was sad, "with-in-o-l-o-h-gold" ...... angry
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 26 December 2020 06: 58
    0
    Bravo to our court. This money would be pulled out of our economy in order to satisfy several shareholders over the hill.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 December 2020 07: 07
    +3
    Well, finally, Russia said something intelligible in the direction of these Western decisions NOT OUR courts. However, this is a gift for the New Year. And let Hodor wipe himself with his accomplices.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      However, this is a gift for the New Year. And let Hodor wipe himself with his accomplices
      They will meet the New Year with sadness and sadness. Bots are worried: they can cut funding.
    2. zazakon
      zazakon 1 January 2021 15: 42
      -1
      Have you been in the courts for serious reasons in SOYU have been at least once ???
      Go to the state monopolists or the Ministry of Finance to sue !!!
      change your attitude to the system!
      I am for our Country !!!
      but why whine when the Russian Federation bends over for cattle-breeding! when our courts are just what !!! there at least noah, at least write to the President - no one cares !!! unsubscribe "we have an independent court, they will decide there" ....
      here and then decided not to whine!
  • Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 26 December 2020 07: 33
    +1
    Decisions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation to the world community - Filkin's certificate. The court's decision will be enforced by seizing the assets of the Russian Federation. If the Kremlin really believes that Russia should not pay, then it needs a toothy principled position with decisiveness to use all means, including power protection.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 15: 39
      -3
      Quote: Olkhovsky
      If the Kremlin really believes that Russia should not pay, then it needs a toothy principled position with a decisive use of all means, including military protection.
      Without such determination and amendments to the Constitution, it would be pointless to deal with it: the Americans sculpted it for themselves. And what a howl stood here ...
      1. Olkhovsky
        Olkhovsky 26 December 2020 17: 38
        0
        Without such determination and amendments to the Constitution, it would be pointless to deal with it: the Americans sculpted it for themselves. And what a howl stood here ...

        I would agree with you if it were not for zeroing the self-aware, and so you made me funny. Thank you
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 December 2020 16: 45
      -1
      So it will be, really did not understand that the turn went in the direction of OUR interests.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 26 December 2020 08: 03
    0
    Most likely, the former YUKOS shareholders will further initiate the arrest of Russian assets abroad, the amount is huge, almost like our defense spending for a year, here apparently Nord Stream 2 is the number one goal of our "partners", we do not seem to conduct other mega projects abroad , but in general, in vain, Khodorkovsky and Navalny were released abroad, so they would sit at home under supervision, everyone was calmer, otherwise one of them would choke in a foreign land, again Russia is to blame
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 15: 48
      0
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      some of them will choke in a foreign land, again Russia is to blame
      And if in Russia he starts a tail from an overdose at a party, who will be responsible? That's right: the huckster is a lieutenant colonel of the FSB. By personal order of whom? Self-aware. Let them spend their "novichok" on it.
    2. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 26 December 2020 20: 26
      -1
      almost like our defense spending for the year

      Then you will have to compensate for such a loss by selling the S-400 to Iran ... and the S-500 to Cuba ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 December 2020 08: 10
    +1
    The question is, why did you initially sue? And recognized the jurisdiction of the court? And, when 57 billion is withdrawn, will they pay attention to our law? Or will they be awarded and withdrawn?
  • Russian2020
    Russian2020 26 December 2020 08: 14
    -1
    Russia owes nothing to anyone
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 26 December 2020 08: 23
    +2
    I would have sent this Hague to f ... oh ... p ... y - but they are from there.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 26 December 2020 08: 25
    +2
    Quote: Aerodrome
    The only thing I want to say is, correctly, that the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, The Hague has sent the heck .. they take on a lot.

    In principle, "we won," BUT the decisions of the Russian court abroad also mean little. Now the "foreign" court will make decisions on the arrest of Russian property abroad, and for sale to secure a claim! hi
    R.S. And not the funds taken away by the thieving officials and businessmen, namely the state property acquired with the taxpayers' money.
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    2. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 26 December 2020 20: 29
      -1
      Now the "foreign" court will decide on the arrest of Russian property abroad, and for sale, to secure a claim!

      "Russians always come for their ..."
      1. Yuri Shalnov
        Yuri Shalnov 28 December 2020 17: 47
        0
        Then we will forgive all Russia's debts to foreign investors, and tear off the eggs of those who disagree!
        1. Whirlwind
          Whirlwind 28 December 2020 19: 09
          0
          Yeah, they say lamb eggs are a delicacy ...
  • oracul
    oracul 26 December 2020 08: 35
    +1
    An example of how the Anglo-Saxons built for themselves a global system of generating income. I bought shares at a lower price, and then, at the right time, either sold them at a higher price, or, brought down the price of shares, throwing them for sale in order to destroy a competitor. And where is the investment, the essence of which is long-term investment.
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 26 December 2020 09: 15
    -1
    ***
    "Long live our Constitutional Court, the most humane court in the world!" ...

    ***
  • Cut Samshitov
    Cut Samshitov 26 December 2020 09: 16
    -5
    I want to believe ... But: at one time, the Bolsheviks proudly refused to pay the tsarist "debts" by Russia to the saved France (someone counted the cost of Russian lives from the expeditionary corps that helped the frogs), and then the "debts" were quietly paid off.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 26 December 2020 16: 05
      -1
      Quote: Sawing Boxwood
      at one time the Bolsheviks proudly refused to pay the tsarist "debts" by Russia to the saved France
      And they generously distributed the most equipped lands of the Russian Empire.
      Quote: Sawing Boxwood
      has anyone counted the cost of Russian lives
      Did you count the blood of Russian soldiers shed for these lands? At least in liters.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 December 2020 10: 55
    +1
    The Clarification of the Constitutional Court was published at the request of the Russian government, which refers to the principle of separation of powers.

    The Cabinet believes that the ministers were not entitled to delegate the resolution of disputes of foreign investors to international arbitration, since they were not authorized to change the “competence of Russian courts”. laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 26 December 2020 11: 00
    0
    Losing the hybrid war and paying 57 billion is not a question, but the scale is not the same. According to some reports, 3-5 trillion were given for the USSR.
  • Syroitel_nik
    Syroitel_nik 26 December 2020 11: 36
    +2
    So the main shareholder of Yukos shares is the Rockefeller house. This is the whole point, why this topic has not drowned yet. Hodor a pawn in the wrong hands.
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 December 2020 15: 20
      -1
      What if a pawn cuts a queen? And ... a party! Colleague. How did these assets end up with the Rockefellers? Maybe the whole USSR was in the pocket of the Rockefellers?
  • mpr200
    mpr200 26 December 2020 11: 41
    +2
    But it turns out there is something to arrest? And who asked whom to buy something abroad? Ah, this is again the insatiable so-called. "big business", the same hodors, only while "sleeping")))? So let them deal with their foreign patrons, right? No wonder the USSR property abroad, except for embassies, etc. didn't have, people understood how it could end))), because the property of the Russian Empire for the most part was never returned to us. Yes, and Americans and Europeans had little property here))).
    In general, how can you have property on the territory of a potential enemy?)))
  • jeka424
    jeka424 26 December 2020 12: 41
    -6
    Soon no one will have business with Russia, everyone will be against
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 26 December 2020 13: 05
      0
      Let them do such things with themselves. Soon no one will have anything to do with the EU. Russia is a great country, not some kind of Hohland. Not only Russia, but also the United States, as well as other independent states, and not slaves, wanted to go to the courts in The Hague and other non-judgments.
      1. jeka424
        jeka424 26 December 2020 13: 39
        -3
        I don’t know the details, but the investors initially invested in the company and then they were apparently thrown, foreign companies can also throw Russians at investors, and they will not necessarily be rich people
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 26 December 2020 17: 58
          -1
          The company did not pay taxes and got specifically and it doesn't matter whose money is. Investors invested in organized crime groups and got in.
        2. T.Henks
          T.Henks 26 December 2020 19: 11
          0
          If listing on the London Stock Exchange, then they can. But this, as they say, is a philosophical question.
  • Orca
    Orca 26 December 2020 12: 50
    -2
    Quote: mordvin xnumx

    Continue to dance in an embrace with amendments.

    What, should I dance in an embrace with you? Hmm ... what a funny little man. :)
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 20: 08
      +1
      Quote: Orca
      What, should I dance in an embrace with you?

      Heh, just saw. Yes, you INTO, a homosexual INTO? Take the entire list of Dzhigurda and dance with them. Fuck with Leontyev, fuck with Bilan.
  • seacap
    seacap 26 December 2020 12: 51
    0
    All these so-called. international courts are essentially repressive bodies under the control and management of an overseas power, for those who betrayed their power and knelt down, deciding to please the bandits and become the same.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 26 December 2020 13: 03
    0
    Let the decisions of The Hague be pasted over to themselves.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 26 December 2020 14: 43
    +1
    A muddy answer.
    Better let Shoigu explain.
  • Amadeus Ivanov
    Amadeus Ivanov 26 December 2020 14: 56
    0
    The article is promising, the words of the author, yes to God in the ears ...
  • spolo
    spolo 26 December 2020 15: 13
    +1
    Strange liberals: then they have stolen the country back, and when the hodor was defatted, leaving essentially the stolen money in Russia - howling, this is wrong .. where is the truth, Zin ??
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 December 2020 15: 22
      -1
      Quote: spolo
      Strange Liberals:

      There are no liberals here. All for the dictatorship. Petty bourgeois. The main question is: who will sit on the "streams".
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 26 December 2020 15: 58
    +1
    Hodor and company first took Yukos into their hands for the state money. And when these hands were given from all over the swing, they ran to a foreign court. Naturally the Martians protected the Martians. It's just that they have ears from a dead donkey, not money ...
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 26 December 2020 17: 28
    +1
    Quote: frruc
    Gentlemen living for permanent residence in London and New York (and other YUKOS shareholders together with Mr. Khodorkovsky) will get a donut hole, and this is good, all in all fairness.

    Moreover, it is desirable that there is a hole in the back of their head
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  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 26 December 2020 19: 14
    0
    Do you see that I stopped commenting on my comments in this thread? wassat

    Do you know why? repeat

    Just personally, I think - that "a thief should sit in the tower" - BUT !!! sit by the law !!! and not by lawlessness ... to sit with a proven base !!! so that we in the Russian Federation would live according to the laws - even with the fact that they are now ... and judging by the minuses that they grabbed here - everyone here already lives in the new, virtual Russia of the future bulk laughing where everything is good)))))))

    On the sim "Scheherazade silences its illicit speeches" in this thread hi
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 26 December 2020 19: 39
    +1
    Beat the weak! It's time to leave the defense! Raise the US lawsuit for 100 milliards for illegal sanctions against R.F. Let them dance the Maori dance before their end ...
  • BOB044
    BOB044 26 December 2020 19: 51
    0
    Enough to feed all those who open their mouths to our wealth.
  • lot
    lot 26 December 2020 20: 01
    0
    Ha ha ha. Called Include the Fool:
    Like, would like to ratify - would ratify (s)
    And so - palms on the eyes - there is no me.
  • ua1osm
    ua1osm 26 December 2020 21: 19
    +3
    This means that the Hague Tribunal will decide to impose a penalty on all assets of the Russian Federation abroad. One of the first to confiscate SP-2. Then they will seize merchant ships and planes. All funds on the accounts of all banks are arrested, and then it will reach the Baikonur cosmodrome, which is also on a foreign territory.
  • ilia3075
    ilia3075 26 December 2020 21: 36
    +1
    Stop writing nonsense about the seizure of assets abroad. Only STATE property that is not covered by diplomatic immunity can be arrested. And even if we assume that they are arrested, the West owns assets in Russia for almost more than Russia abroad. And therefore any arrest assets abroad will entail the arrest of Western assets here in Russia for a similar amount. And the example with Noga is not relevant here, because then it was in fact Yeltsin's Russia, despite the fact that Putin just came to power And now Russia is behaving on the world stage completely different than in the early 2000s. Regarding SP-2, Gazprom is a shareholder there, a private company with state participation. And Yukos makes claims to Russia as a state. I don’t think there is a need to explain the difference between Gazprom and Russia.
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 27 December 2020 11: 00
      -1
      But why explain and exactly who is actually derebanit the natural resources of Russia under the name of "Gazprom", although all this is covered up in advertising state property
    2. Yuri Shalnov
      Yuri Shalnov 28 December 2020 17: 41
      0
      Then why were they suing in The Hague at all?
  • Irina.
    Irina. 26 December 2020 21: 39
    +1
    For this change in the Constitution, we accepted that the lever for pumping money out of our country - the Soros court - broke off. Uncle Sam's generous hand will warm everyone from this "victim".
  • APASUS
    APASUS 26 December 2020 21: 51
    -1
    This is a violation of an international treaty

    We would have poked the "partners" with their noses once, as they do, but we have no one!
  • Chess knight
    Chess knight 27 December 2020 00: 02
    -1
    Quote: krot
    Quote: Ural
    libriot cho?

    Probot he)) I would have met him on the street ..)


    You will meet Pukin, lick his shoes, he doesn't care, but you will be pleased
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 27 December 2020 04: 44
    0
    And what, someone was waiting for Ks to say - pay ???
  • Vasily Gubin
    Vasily Gubin 27 December 2020 06: 48
    0
    All right