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Range 70 km. New record for ERCA program

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One of the test shots, December 19, 2020


The American ERCA extended-range self-propelled artillery program is showing new successes. Recently, an experienced self-propelled gun XM1299 with a promising gun was able to send a guided M982 Excalibur projectile to a distance of 70 km and hit the target with maximum accuracy. This test demonstrates the high potential of the new artillery complex and allows us to count on a further increase in the main combat characteristics.

New record


New fire tests took place on December 19 at the Yuma test site (Arizona). The event used an artillery complex, including serial and completely new components. This time, the XM1299 self-propelled gun was used with the XM907 gun, as well as a new propellant charge and the M982 Excalibur serial projectile.

At a distance of 43 miles (70 km) from the firing position for the ACS, a target was set up - a simulated enemy missile system with previously known coordinates. After all the necessary preparations, the crew of the testers on the XM1299 began firing.


Projectile a moment after exiting the barrel

The first shot was unsuccessful. During a flight at high altitude, the standard configuration M982 projectile collided with a strong headwind, which blew it off its optimal trajectory and forced it to fall 100 m from the target. In the second shot, a projectile was used in an experimental configuration; it received a new shock absorber for the inertial navigation system. This device did not justify itself, and the projectile made a significant miss.

The third projectile, which had a standard design, was brought to its calculated trajectory. As the published materials show, the Excalibur product at increased speed climbed to a high altitude along a ballistic trajectory, after which it switched to a gentle flight with a descent. This flight profile, combined with the increased muzzle velocity, allowed the projectile to reach the target. In the final section, the projectile went into a dive and hit the target.

Despite two setbacks, the tests were deemed successful. One of the artillery shot configurations proved its potential, while the other showed its shortcomings. All this allows the development of the project to continue, and the army can count on receiving a new artillery complex within the required time frame.

Technical features


In the new tests, as before, the experienced ACS XM1299 was used. It is based on the serial M109A7 and differs from it in the equipment of the fighting compartment. The main difference lies in the XM907 ERCA gun with a 155-clb 58 mm rifled barrel. In addition, new propelling charges with improved energy have been created for such a weapon, which have also been tested in recent firing.


Projectile flight according to radio control data

Together with the XM907, M982 shells are tested in a serial and modified form. In the initial configuration, the projectile is capable of flying at a range of at least 40 km and hitting the target with an accuracy of 2 m. In the ERCA project, it should show an increased range with the same accuracy.

As part of the tests, first of all, the resistance of the projectile to increased loads was determined. The muzzle velocity of the M982 when fired from the XM907 reaches 1000 m / s - significantly higher than when using shorter guns. In addition, we checked the updated electronics of the projectile, which should ensure correct control throughout the flight.

In the course of recent tests, it was possible to determine the optimal configuration of the propellant charge and find ways to improve it. We also installed some of the features of the Excalibur guided projectile. So, in the initial configuration, the projectile and its components have a certain margin of safety. When fired from the XM907, increased loads occur, which almost completely eliminate this margin. This makes it difficult to further increase the main characteristics.


The projectile flies to the target

Overall, despite two unsuccessful shots, recent tests were successful. They made it possible to collect new data and clarify the specifics of the artillery complex operation when new record indicators were achieved. Based on these data, conclusions are already being drawn and ways of further development of the project are being determined.

Plans for the future


Next year, work on the ERCA topic and on individual program components will continue. There are comments to all the main components of the artillery complex, and they need to be improved. Such fine-tuning will primarily affect the shot.

Weight, overall and other parameters of new separate loading shots should not hinder work with them. In addition, it is necessary to achieve the minimum size and optimize the placement of these products in the fighting compartment in order to obtain the maximum ammunition load. Attention should also be paid to a host of other factors that can affect the results of shooting, both independently and in combination with each other.


Exploding ammunition

In the context of the projectile, the main topic remains to increase the strength and stability of the serial design without sacrificing accuracy and reliability. For this, it is proposed to upgrade the Excalibur product. In addition, a new generation of guided projectiles with improved aerodynamics, new engines and guidance based on inertial and satellite navigation are being created for ERCA guns.

In the future, it is possible to create fundamentally new ammunition. So, a 155-mm projectile with a full-fledged homing head can be developed. He will be able to independently find and hit a target in a given area, incl. moving. The possibility of creating shells capable of exchanging data is being considered. Such products would simplify the control of the impact results and reduce the consumption of ammunition.

It is planned to obtain a new increase in the firing range by creating new shells and charges. So, the developed project XM1155 offers a guided active-rocket projectile with a range of up to 120 km. Such a product is of particular interest to the army, but has not yet been brought to the test.

Range 70 km. New record for ERCA program
Working with the M982 projectile, 2008

Further improvement of the XM1299 ACS is also envisaged. At present, the search and correction of various shortcomings and "childhood diseases" are being carried out. After the completion of such activities, the self-propelled gun will meet the customer's requirements. Then it is planned to equip it with mechanized stacks and an automatic loader. With their help, the rate of fire will increase from 2-3 rds / min. up to 8-10, which will significantly increase the effectiveness of fire.

Expected Outcomes


A promising artillery complex based on the XM1299 self-propelled guns is one of the components of the Long Range Precision Fires Cross Functional Team (LRPF-CFT) program for the modernization of missile forces and artillery. Within the framework of this program, it is proposed to create a number of new types of weapons with increased fire range indicators. According to this parameter, they should surpass all existing ACS and MLRS, incl. in service with a potential enemy.

According to the Pentagon's plans, the development of systems for LRPF-CFT will continue for several more years. The delivery of ready-made weapons to the army is scheduled for 2023. Whether the ERCA program participants will cope with this task - time will tell. However, recent successes, including firing a serial projectile to a record 70 km, allow them to be optimistic.
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  1. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 28 December 2020 18: 09
    +3
    It's not sour, the minke whales gave out, if it's true, 70 km is a very worthy result .. Maybe someone will tell me, except Krasnopol, how can we answer them?
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 December 2020 18: 14
      +6
      how can we answer them?

      Tornado laughing Krasnopol does not fly at 70. belay
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 28 December 2020 18: 49
        +6
        Let's figure it out. What achievements are we talking about? A very expensive projectile is thrust into a very expensive cannon, which has a vulnerable control system for electronic warfare with a one-time computer and sensors. Is it worth the candle? These are all half measures to improve the dead-end option. Tornado with new guided missiles is much preferable! A unique cannon with a unique projectile for about $ 85 thousand is not needed! It's just that the guides and the dimensions of the projectile are easier to maintain and the requirements for the size and properties of the guidance system are simpler ... Here you need to think, well, a record, is it worth developing this direction ... And it's easier to use a UAV in the guidance system with a rocket projectile ...
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2020 20: 09
          +9
          Quote: VO3A
          Let's figure it out. What achievements are we talking about? They put a very expensive shell into a very expensive cannon,

          Something I did not notice that the mattress toppers were complex about their not sickly state. debt. Therefore, I believe that money, unlike us, they always have. As there are engineers and designers who must be given their due. It is not at all necessary that it will be adopted, but the experience that they had in the process of creating both a weapon and a projectile is worth a lot.
          I would like our developers to always have enough funds.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 20: 19
            +2
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            It is not at all necessary that it will be adopted.

            As of October 2018 was released in battle 1400 M982 Excalibur rounds.
            It is in service with India, Australia, Canada, Jordan, the Netherlands, Sweden, the USA.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2020 22: 08
              +2
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik

              As of October 2018, 1400 M982 Excalibur shells were fired in battle.

              HER, it's not a shell, it's a cannon. "It is not at all necessary that HER will be adopted" belay
          2. YOUR
            YOUR 29 December 2020 05: 21
            0
            Guided missiles are great, of course. But their use is still limited. Target illumination is required. Now it's better with this, tk. UAVs appeared, but still not everything is so rosy. The location of the backlight station should be within a few kilometers. If from the air, then a little further.
            Conclusion: the importance of air defense, the importance of electronic warfare are increasing many times over.
            1. DominickS
              DominickS 29 December 2020 05: 58
              -1
              There inertial and satellite navigation systems are used. They don't need "backlighting". EW against them would be of little use.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 29 December 2020 14: 22
                +1
                Can you figure out how a satellite navigation system works? Why voice nonsense?
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            2. VO3A
              VO3A 30 December 2020 12: 59
              +1
              Target illumination is required.

              And it's okay that our fighters from the ground illuminate everything and are still paying with their lives for it ?! They not only illuminate the "Krasnopol", but the clever guy Gerasimov came up with RUKs and ROCs, there soldiers illuminate the planes ... When will this idiocy in the Russian Army stop? We have all target designation and real-time reconnaissance provided by people, as in the 1st World ...
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 30 December 2020 13: 19
                -1
                Huh belay
                And what did I write about?
              2. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 15: 45
                -2
                Quote: VO3A
                And it's okay that our fighters from the ground illuminate everything and are still paying with their lives for it ?! They not only illuminate the "Krasnopol", but the clever guy Gerasimov came up with RUKs and ROCs, there soldiers illuminate the planes ... When will this idiocy in the Russian Army stop? We have all target designation and real-time reconnaissance provided by people, as in the 1st World ...

                Here's the thing. You can replace the infantryman Vasya with cunning equipment, a drone there or something else.
                But! When it comes to values.
                Technique is born by the labor of a large number of intelligent and skilled people, so its value is high.
                Vasya is made known by whom and how (usually drunk), little work has been invested in his development as a person (mostly stars), he knows nothing useful and does not know how and will reproduce the same as himself. But what is there, even the demand of the solvent cannot create and pays meager taxes, because he also earns a meager one.
                So who is not a pity to lose?
                1. lelik613
                  lelik613 21 February 2021 06: 20
                  -1
                  Such a commander-in-chief
          3. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 15: 36
            0
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            I would like our developers to always have enough funds

            Since there are not enough carrots to motivate our developers, it means that we need to actively use the stick.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 28 December 2020 20: 32
          -1
          The tornado with new guided projectiles is much
          the same eggs, only in profile !?
          stuffed into a launcher
          a very expensive projectile, which has a vulnerable control system for electronic warfare with a one-time computer and sensors.
          :)))
          And it's easier to use UAVs in the guidance system with a missile projectile ...
          where or when, easier !? And if there is no UAV at a given time or in a specific tactical situation, but there is orbital reconnaissance, or army reconnaissance in the field (forest, desert, jungle to choose from), and then ..., arrives at 70 km, in your opinion expensive 155mm ... shell with an accuracy of 2 meters! Bingo...:)
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 28 December 2020 21: 52
            0
            And if there is no UAV at a given time or in a specific tactical situation,

            Well, they only know how in one advanced army !!! If the area of ​​hostilities is not covered with a real-time information cap, then you can immediately dig graves and prepare orders ...
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 29 December 2020 09: 07
              0
              If the area of ​​hostilities is not covered with a real-time information cap, then you can immediately dig graves and prepare orders ...
              yes, quite .... and by the way I agree, without knowledge of the tactical situation and situational awareness in battle, there is nothing to do in our time ... But, there are always situations "not according to the textbook", when it is simple and "very necessary" at any cost, even grave to take a point, height or right square until 9-00 .... somehow this is how it happens in real life! With Coming You ... :)
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 31 December 2020 15: 50
                0
                Quote: Intruder
                With Coming You ... :)

                We will repel the coming of the New Year at any cost laughing
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 29 December 2020 06: 44
            +2
            Quote: Intruder
            the same eggs, only in profile !?
            Electronics much simpler: lower loads.
            Lower speed is easier to control.
            The mass of explosives in the HE is like two 155 mm projectiles.

            Quote: Intruder
            stuffed into a launcher
            PU is simpler and cheaper than AU.

            Quote: Intruder
            And if there is no UAV at a given time or in a specific tactical situation
            The UAV is launched, according to its data - a projectile of the required filling: for example, the target is several "rabid Toyota". How many projectiles are needed for such three moving targets? And for "Tornado" there is one, which is enough.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 29 December 2020 07: 29
              0
              Well, it is logical that the MLRS is more effective in the columns, and in the stationary art, because you can also allow the pillbox, for example, how many missiles are needed for it? if it was so simple it would have been from the art would have been abandoned long ago in favor of the MLRS and the same Coalition, our troops would not be supplied, why? but about the cheapness of a guided projectile or rocket is a controversial issue .. in addition, purely in terms of economics / logistics, to have a battery of arty which this and that can or a battery of MLRS + battery arty for different purposes, there is a difference, agree ..
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 29 December 2020 11: 57
                -1
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                columns are more efficient than MLRS
                You did not understand. Dispersed multiple cars. More effective - a cassette with homing elements.

                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                can a pillbox be allowed, for example, how many missiles are needed for it?
                One thermobaric. And how many of these escalibers?

                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                if it were so simple, the art would have been abandoned long ago in favor of the MLRS
                By again! A shell is cheaper than a rocket. Much cheaper. As soon as the projectile becomes something more than a blank with a fuse and explosives, the issue of efficiency and price becomes less and less obvious.

                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                the same Coalition, our troops would not be supplied, why?
                The question of the cost of delivering a striking element to its destination with a given accuracy

                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                in addition, purely in terms of economics / logistics, to have a battery of arty which this and that can or a battery of MLRS + battery arty for different purposes - there is a difference, you agree ..
                I can not. Sometimes it is cheaper to use AU on one target, and SRZO on the other. Universalization often goes sideways.
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 29 December 2020 12: 45
                  0
                  well, following your logic about the full advantage of MLRS over AU .. why bother with AU, because with MLRS you can hit both pointwise and in areas .. and even more efficiently in areas - cassette ..
                  Why, then, in your opinion, AU in the modern army? it turns out - only for shelling the area with shells of greater power and a cheap price than missiles? so it's not the time to beat for an hour without changing position with impunity .. and why, if there is a MLRS? I just didn't see an answer to my comment: "if it were so simple, the art would have been abandoned long ago in favor of the MLRS"and I really don't understand, if the MLRS are so cool as you say, why do we need barrel art in the army?
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 29 December 2020 13: 07
                    -1
                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    Well, following your logic about the full advantage of MLRS over AU.
                    Mine? Do not attribute your findings to me.

                    Quote: Simargl
                    The question of the cost of delivering a striking element to its destination with a given accuracy
                    Consider this.
                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    I just did not see the answer to my comment: "if it were so simple, the art would have been abandoned long ago in favor of the MLRS"
                    I repeat to be noticed:
                    Quote: Simargl
                    The question of the cost of delivering a striking element to its destination with a given accuracy
                    Consider this.
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 29 December 2020 13: 25
                      0
                      then an additional question, so that I understand you: in which case will the AU perform the task better than the MLRS in your opinion? just an example ..
                      1. VO3A
                        VO3A 29 December 2020 14: 33
                        0
                        Nobody is against AU! It's just that the radius of application is different! For self-propelled guns up to 40 km, but further is problematic with a projectile! Want to laugh! Showcase video for idiots!
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prc7faP8Dkw
                        It would be better if they didn't show IT ...
                      2. Simargl
                        Simargl 29 December 2020 19: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        so I understand you
                        Yeah...

                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        in which case the AU will perform the task better than the MLRS in your opinion?
                        What do you mean better?
                        It is not always necessary to burn a hectare. The accuracy of a conventional SRZO shot is lower than that of an AU.
                        The cost of a regular AU shot is lower than a SRZO.
                        As long as the accuracy of AU is sufficient to hit the target - it is worth using AU, when accuracy is not enough - it is worth using SRZO with correction ... as an example.
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 29 December 2020 09: 39
              +1
              let's say the target is a few "rabid Toyota"
              if the drone is in the sky, then one McDonnell Douglas MD 530F helicopter with M134 / GAU-2 in a hanging container and three short bursts is enough to defeat the bearded men in three "gantrucks", and no electronics, art or launchers are needed for such purposes, from the word at all :) ... the price of a shot is the lowest of all possible on this planet, by the way, electronic warfare is not terrible for bullets and laser systems will not help;))))
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 29 December 2020 12: 00
                +1
                Quote: Intruder
                if the drone is in the sky
                Are we still talking about targets 70 km from the operator?

                Quote: Intruder
                the cost of a shot is the lowest of all possible on this planet, by the way, electronic warfare is not terrible for bullets and laser systems will not help
                EW bullets are not terrible, but MANPADS are terrible for the carrier. Or does your mind only work to counteract the barmaley?
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 29 December 2020 13: 53
                  +1
                  EW bullets are not terrible, but MANPADS are terrible for the carrier.
                  , scary of course, but without these risks in any way, although if the REB container and the heat cassette ... are screwed on, it will be more comfortable to sit in the "defender" chair :)
                  Or does your mind only work to counteract the barmaley?
                  and there are more of them, so it works "for multiple targets" :), and a more "advanced enemy" already requires a different level of applied military equipment ...
                2. Intruder
                  Intruder 29 December 2020 13: 57
                  +1
                  Are we still talking about targets 70 km from the operator?
                  and then:
                  in your opinion expensive 155mm. projectile with an accuracy of 2 meters! Bingo...:)
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 29 December 2020 19: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: Intruder
                    and then:
                    And then ... it's easier to shoot with a heavier missile, at the same price, but with a larger warhead mass.
        3. English tarantas
          English tarantas 29 December 2020 08: 41
          0
          Let's figure it out. What achievements are we talking about? They put a very expensive shell into a very expensive cannon,

          The main achievement in a vicious circle is that they spend a lot of money on weapons and therefore have a lot of money to spend on weapons.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 18: 14
      +6
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      Can anyone tell me, except Krasnopol, how can we answer them?

      They say the Coalition can shoot 80 km. What kind of projectile, when the tests were carried out, and in general it is a plan or reality, is unknown.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 29 December 2020 09: 17
        0
        And this is bad, especially if they are adopted. How many explosives will there be in the projectile?
    3. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 19: 58
      -1
      Krasnopol for the Coalition ... in fact, the Americans needed PR, therefore these dances with the publication of materials from the tests
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 28 December 2020 20: 50
        -4
        Excalibur is like 85 kilobucks, the point is in the racket of about 20 Excalibur arrivals earlier ... and that is clearly not 1,5 million apiece, the fighter costs 1,5 million. Well, not su 35, of course, but export prices for a number of modern handicrafts are 30 million .. a tomogavk not so long ago cost a couple of lyamov .. a point is cheaper than a tomogavka to love. Again, the single target for the projectile is the point? to cover the football field here it will be necessary to distribute it with soul ... it is not clear how to fight then if this is not a rear base.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 23: 10
          0
          about "at the price of a rocket" is about another rocket-projectile, which they made for Zumwalt, I don't remember the name, but there the price was awful
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 29 December 2020 10: 19
            -1
            more than a rocket)) was its price. but this is also the success of the Great Democracy! but the fact that they are not there is so finally victory
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 29 December 2020 11: 00
              -2
              I don’t know .. for me it would be nice if they invested in a rotten and expensive project ..
              1. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 29 December 2020 11: 01
                0
                im a new nadda) all manufacturers of mo usa private traders)
  2. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 18: 12
    +3
    Despite two setbacks, the tests were deemed successful.

    Successful, of course. All 3 shots were fired independently of each other.
    The serial shell hit the target the first time. Moreover, exceeding the declared range of 60 km.
    Two projectiles under development flew into the target area.
    A very good result, unfortunately.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 28 December 2020 18: 29
      +3
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Successful, of course. All 3 shots were fired independently of each other.
      The serial shell hit the target the first time. Moreover, exceeding the declared range of 60 km.
      Two projectiles under development flew into the target area.
      A very good result, unfortunately.

      From the same position and one target at a time. Which, by the way, was motionless.
      Moreover, in all cases, the shooting was carried out with adjustable shells.
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  3. armannu
    armannu 28 December 2020 18: 15
    0
    I wonder about the shock absorber ...
    Do they integrate acceleration when fired?
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 December 2020 18: 30
      0
      integrates acceleration

      I did not understand the question. What did you mean?
      1. armannu
        armannu 28 December 2020 18: 33
        +3
        The inertial!
        The first integral of acceleration is speed, the second is distance ...
        I can't believe that it can work when fired.
        But how, then, are the settings entered?
        The speed is not stable, depending on the charge temperature, etc.
        1. bk316
          bk316 28 December 2020 18: 40
          +3
          The first integral of acceleration is speed,

          Got it. The speed goes more from barrel wear. Maybe it integrates .... And what's the problem, there is also a laser gyroscope.
          1. armannu
            armannu 28 December 2020 18: 51
            0
            It's not an accelerometer.
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 28 December 2020 18: 48
          +1
          Perhaps the fact is that I let you down:
          new shock absorber for inertial navigation system. This device did not justify itself, and the projectile made a significant miss.


          Quote: armannu
          But how, then, are the settings entered?
          There is a combined part, GPS and inertial. But they easily enter data before the shot into some buffer, after the shot, the system settles down and the data comes in completely. The first thing that came to mind. (and the only one)))
          1. armannu
            armannu 28 December 2020 19: 05
            +3
            For some reason, I decided that the Americans had lost confidence in GPS, it had no noise immunity ...
            And so it is clear ...
            Maybe - like on cars - the satellite is gone - we are writing a track from the inertial.
            1. Sergey_G_M
              Sergey_G_M 29 December 2020 08: 12
              +1
              Most likely, the inertial data is poorly taken into account when fired (the acceleration values ​​from the shot are difficult to accurately capture and during integration we will get a large error that will subsequently accumulate), it is just that in flight the inertial data are integrated with GPS data.
              I just really doubt that the inertial errors during firing and in flight will be so small that it will be possible to achieve an accuracy of 2 meters by 70 km. The accuracy of the best laser gyroscopes for technology (and this is the size of a parcel box and will not fit into a projectile) 0,5-2 d.u. , which means an accuracy of 35-140 meters at 70 km.
              1. bk316
                bk316 29 December 2020 16: 46
                -1
                Most likely you are right.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 28 December 2020 18: 20
    +6
    What are chips? It's the talent to sell one potato for the price of a kilogram ...
    What is sensible news?
    This is an opportunity to present it, at first, as news, then, adding a couple of paragraphs and pictures - as a "detailed article", and then also "click on the nose" of those who are outraged why they have to read twice ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 18: 23
      +1
      Well, as if no one forces you to read and comment. We have a free country.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 28 December 2020 18: 27
        +5
        Well, here, I use the fact that we have a free country and comment. Little of! I do not even reproach you for reading the same thing several times! Absolutely your right!
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 18: 30
          +3
          So let's drink to a free country! drinks laughing
  5. surey_andry2
    surey_andry2 28 December 2020 18: 20
    +3
    TZM is a pity, in the army on routine maintenance, during the courses of young drivers, rolled. Manipulator took out missiles from containers)
  6. KCA
    KCA 28 December 2020 18: 35
    +2
    Probably worth adding - the cost of the new projectile is approximately equal to the cost of the Tomahawk Block 4 CD
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 18: 40
      -2
      In 2021, the M982 Excalibur will be priced at $ 112 per unit.
      1. KCA
        KCA 28 December 2020 18: 48
        +3
        Also very expensive, but these are serial ones, and how much will the modified ones cost? Those that are 70 km and without any KVO right on target? Although it is doubtful somehow
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 18: 50
          0
          Quote: KCA
          how much will the modified ones cost? Those that are 70 km and without any KVO right on target?

          He is serial. It was just that they were able to throw further from the new weapon.
          It was the new developments that were not included.
    2. bk316
      bk316 28 December 2020 18: 42
      +4
      I myself am an artillery gunner, but I see no reason to shoot rockets from howitzers ...
      If only the rate of fire, but the MLRS it is higher.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 December 2020 18: 54
        0
        Compare the dimensions-weight of the Excalibur projectile and the Tornado missile.
        Both fly 70 km.
        With an accurate GPS hit on the target, the damage from one Excalibur will be greater than from the Tornado salvo, which gives a spread of several hundred meters over 70 km.
        1. bk316
          bk316 28 December 2020 19: 21
          +3
          we are from a salvo of the Tornado, which gives a spread of several hundred meters over 70 km.

          This is if they are uncorrectable.
          1. eklmn
            eklmn 29 December 2020 03: 57
            -1
            From Wiki: Tornado Multiple Launch System
            "When firing in a volley, the dispersion of shells is 0.3% of the firing range."
            We consider: 0.3% per dist. 70,000m = 210m dispersion.
            "A volley turns 67 hectares into a desert"
            "Projectile weight - 800kg, warhead weight - 250kg"

            Excalibur:
            “Average radius of dispersion at dist. 50km - 2.4m
            Weight - 48kg "
            Americans do not have so much cast iron, they import it (though for a citizen only). But still, to shoot in the squares - only the rich can afford. Americans, by their intelligence, prefer to shoot 1 shell, but for sure ...
            movie here (not cartoon)
            https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/capabilities/products/excalibur-projectile#:~:text=Raytheon%20Missiles%20%26%20Defense%20has%20developed,being%20deployed%20to%20U.S.%20forces.
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 28 December 2020 19: 26
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          With an accurate GPS hit on the target, the damage from one Excalibur will be greater than from the Tornado salvo, which gives a spread of several hundred meters

          Why do you think that the control system cannot be put into the same conventional Tornado?
          It is even easier to get with the same results.
          And, accordingly, the cost of a shot, taking into account the cost of an expensive cannon, a propellant charge, an expensive projectile ... the rocket will turn out to be much less.
          The rate of fire was also mentioned here.
          MLRS can shoot the entire package and leave before its missiles arrive at the target.
          And this super gun has 2 rounds per minute
          1. armannu
            armannu 28 December 2020 19: 41
            -6
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            the cost of an expensive gun

            Unlike a rocket, the cannon is reusable.
            1. bk316
              bk316 29 December 2020 16: 43
              -1
              Unlike a rocket, the cannon is reusable.

              Believe it or not, no one shoots guns at the enemy, they shoot shells. And they are disposable belay Worse, MLRS launchers are reusable. laughing
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 28 December 2020 19: 52
            +1
            "Why do you think that it is impossible to put the control system into the same conventional Tornado?" ///
            ---
            Of course it is possible. Almost all countries have already done this with their missiles of this class.
            But the control system raises each missile three times ... However, it pays off during hostilities.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 29 December 2020 05: 36
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              the control system raises each missile three times.

              And what about the cannon round?
              30 or 300?
        3. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 20: 00
          -3
          and what prevents the integration of the same flight correction system with final laser target designation?
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 28 December 2020 20: 29
            0
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            and what prevents the integration of the same flight correction system with final laser target designation?

            nothing. but someone / something should point to the target. and these are additional difficulties.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 23: 06
              0
              UAV for example .. I would not bet on "systems for jeepies" .. it's a good thing, but for a big war it won't work
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 29 December 2020 15: 07
                -1
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                UAV for example .. I would not bet on "systems for jeepies" .. it's a good thing, but for a big war it won't work

                UAVs do not store up over each target, send ground spenaz too.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 29 December 2020 15: 14
                  -2
                  and how long will glonas / jeepies live after the start of a major war?
                  1. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 29 December 2020 15: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Boris Chernikov
                    and how long will glonas / jeepies live after the start of a major war?

                    the cat knows.
                    also who knows what frequencies were saved for a black day?
        4. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 28 December 2020 20: 34
          -4
          for a single target))) and for an area? ))))))))) and then so far from 3 2 by as standard but this is certainly a success! there would be a storm of fertilizers blurt out our about unsafe technical specifications as Boeing did after the airlines refused to fly on their new Boeing due to a heap of disasters
      2. armannu
        armannu 28 December 2020 19: 03
        +2
        I suppose they won't shoot such shells all the time.
        But as an option it is useful - you have reconnoitered a dangerous target - you can immediately crash.
      3. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 28 December 2020 19: 15
        -1
        You need different tools for different purposes. Naturally, Excalibur will not be the only projectile, and in any case, the usual OFS will remain the main one.
        A more long-range and more accurate instrument just appears. For example, for counter-battery combat, the destruction of especially important targets in the depth of defense, when there is no way to quickly transfer MLRS or there is none at all.
        You also need to keep in mind the peculiarities of the US Army, they are fighting all over the world. Therefore, they value universalism, the transfer of troops and their supply, a time-consuming and costly event.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 20: 02
          -2
          well, for a counter-battery, only if against towed guns
    3. Charik
      Charik 28 December 2020 22: 26
      0
      announce the price of both?
  7. bar
    bar 28 December 2020 18: 47
    +1
    The third projectile, which had a standard design, was brought to its calculated trajectory.

    Has the wind stopped?
  8. Avior
    Avior 28 December 2020 19: 16
    +3
    Interestingly, do they plan to adapt new shells to Zamvolt?
    1. businessv
      businessv 28 December 2020 19: 25
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Interestingly, do they plan to adapt new shells to Zamvolt?
      An interesting remark, especially considering the previously discussed topics! good drinks
      1. armannu
        armannu 28 December 2020 19: 27
        0
        I read somewhere that yes, they are planning.
        The development of special, naval, turned out to be too expensive, allegedly.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 December 2020 19: 59
      0
      Excalmbur does not fit the Zumvolt's guns. I don't remember the reason, I read it for a long time.
      They are trying to remake it as a sub-caliber 120 mm projectile, adding a bottom (or rocket?) Booster and seeker to it.
      But something calmed down ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 28 December 2020 22: 33
        +1
        I remember that Zamwolt has long shells, so when reloading, you need to raise the barrel up.
        Perhaps this is the reason.
  9. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 28 December 2020 19: 27
    +1
    We are reading about this news for the third time in a week.
    Is VO really tight with the news?
  10. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 28 December 2020 19: 30
    +1
    And if on the subject, then if you put such a "head" on a rocket, how much cheaper is the price of a shot?
    And yes, I understood correctly that Excalibur, unlike our Krasnopol, does not need suicide gunners near the target, he himself knows how to get where he needs to?
    1. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 19: 44
      +1
      Then they said that the GPS, according to known coordinates ...
      The target may just leave.
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 28 December 2020 20: 41
        -6
        jp with a true signal that is invulnerable to interference, unlike any s300 eot, I guarantee you, as a wip of Vietnam, watered columns of refugees with napalm from a bucket! And remember only krmelebots and we are not =) JPS can not be drowned out because then the question will be, what are these super sanryas in general? the more the range of the shot can be at least 7000 ... the illumination is only 7. in any case, Krasnopol is 7 according to the manufacturer's website.
        1. DominickS
          DominickS 29 December 2020 06: 05
          +1
          Better hide from the orderlies.
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 29 December 2020 10: 25
            -1
            about your chtoli? how are you? jps strong? all 60 tomogavks fired into one building, which is well preserved, even though these tomogavks are physically unavailable in it! if they are many meters long, if they are spread out in it and they start twisting, they will knock ... but you believe)) and because it’s a cookie ... or don’t believe .. I would like to clarify.
    2. Avior
      Avior 28 December 2020 21: 27
      +1
      The head for the projectile should be more expensive, since the acceleration when fired is large and the electronics must withstand overload.
      On the other hand, the projectile is noticeably cheaper than the rocket.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 29 December 2020 05: 33
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        the projectile is noticeably cheaper than the rocket

        Where does this data come from?
        If simple cast iron, then yes, but if "smart" with electronics and mechanics, then no.
        The same electronics and mechanics for the rocket will be much cheaper. Is that the amount of gunpowder in the engine may be more than in the propellant charge of the gun, but even that is not a fact. And the cost of the launcher - a simple rail or "water supply" pipe versus the cost of such a gun and completely incomparable values.
        1. Avior
          Avior 29 December 2020 09: 19
          0
          I was referring to the projectile itself without gsn. Its design is simpler. But the gsn of the projectile is really more expensive.
          I am also a supporter of the wider use of guided versions of projectiles from RSZO
          Not in one gulp across the area, of course.
  11. mark2
    mark2 28 December 2020 19: 34
    0
    Yes, yes ... we understood for the first time on Friday .. 70 km
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 28 December 2020 20: 38
      -4
      but it is necessary to master the illumination range of only 7, so the remaining 63 are superfluous. Chot 3 misses out of 4 is a success! that we have 2 methods of guidance and there is 1 and it is very vulnerable to interference and exposure but strong! that we have had everything for a long time and they showed chot when it will be the third time in 15 years, but this is mega success !! that the warhead of the projectile is about like a mine of 76 mm of current less, but this is imba that it flies for about 10 minutes, okay 3 and they will find a shot WE will immediately .. and in minutes and NATO will upseet noi this is a success !! but the fact that the coalition at the beginning of the 90s was 2 barrel and right now 1 barrel is in service with a fire raid with a rate of fire and a range of 40 and 70 that's not news about it, they don't write for bucks.
  12. pytar
    pytar 28 December 2020 20: 46
    0
    The muzzle velocity of the M982 when fired from the XM907 reaches 1000 m / s

    The electronics of the projectile control is phenomenal! Withstands such a monstrous acceleration, and works properly! belay
    1. KCA
      KCA 29 December 2020 05: 44
      -3
      How can acceleration damage electronics? If the printed circuit board is not made of getinax, then there is nothing more physically to break down there, tube electronics are a thing of the past long ago, although the radio tubes were in a special design, miniature in a ceramic case, shockproof, now even electrolytic capacitors have been replaced with solid-state ones, which will not short-circuit if the paper one is damaged insulator, in addition, the entire electronics unit is filled with a compound, solid or gel
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 29 December 2020 07: 52
        +1
        Quote: KCA
        How can acceleration damage electronics?

        Have you seen what the microcircuit looks like inside the case? No?
        Take an interest, there are several dozen of the thinnest wires soldered to the crystal. Plus the legs of the microcircuit are soldered to the board, plus the connections of the boards, plus connectors ... and so on, so on.
        Hundreds of contacts (as they joked at our university, electrical engineering is the science of contacts).
        And any of this connection can just come off. The case of the microcircuit may collapse, or the fastening of the antennas ... but you never know. Moreover, there are sensitive acceleration sensors ...
        1. KCA
          KCA 29 December 2020 08: 09
          0
          How can acceleration break the wires? They just have negligible potential energy, take a processor in an LGA775 case, fill it with epoxy so that the case does not break and throw it on the tiled floor with all the foolishness, what will the wiring break? If you remove the epoxy and install the processor, it will work fine. Connectors are used very far in structure from household electrical outlets, with reliable latches, and, again, they do not hang out, but are fixed
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 December 2020 09: 22
            0
            If you throw it on the floor with all your foolishness, acceleration to a speed of 2-3M will still fail.
            1. KCA
              KCA 29 December 2020 09: 26
              0
              And what will be the acceleration on contact with the tiles? Minus how many m / s ^ 2?
              1. Avior
                Avior 29 December 2020 09: 41
                0
                Too lazy to count, besides, everyone throws at different speeds, after all, everyone has different crap smile
                But the conditions are different, the time of the acceleration is different.
          2. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 29 December 2020 10: 22
            +1
            Quote: KCA
            throw it with all the foolishness on the tiled floor, what will the wires break?

            Ha funny
            I wish I could see someone who can throw like that
            with an acceleration of 5500 G.
            there is no drain of foolishness.
            1. KCA
              KCA 29 December 2020 11: 25
              0
              And you calculate the reverse acceleration (deceleration) when an object hits a hard surface without deformation, when the speed drops to 0m / s in microseconds, if not nano
      2. pytar
        pytar 29 December 2020 11: 17
        0
        I suppose / I am not an expert in this topic / with such a monstrous load, some minimal deformation of materials occurs, but still. It can be at nanometer levels, but the processor is made at such a micro-level! Besides, I don't quite understand how the transceiver and the attitude control system work, because the projectile is spinning? The article states that the weapon is rifled! The photo shows the plumage, but the stabilization along the axis is carried out by rotation. Some spacecraft also revolve around their axis / to avoid overheating /, but they have attitude systems there that are not so miniaturized, and when they go into orbit, the speed remains constant.
  13. Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 29 December 2020 09: 33
    0
    --- M982 projectile standard configuration faced a strong counter by the wind... The second shot used a shell in experimental configuration, he received a new shock absorber for the inertial navigation system. This device did not justify itself, and the projectile made a significant miss ... The third projectile, which had standard design, managed to bring to the calculated trajectory


    I will not ask how the "standard design" differs from the "standard design")))
    The "inventors" of the wunderwafele seem to reckon that there will be no "strong headwind" in the battle and the projectile will not add to the list of those killed by the "friendly fire".
    In my opinion, a bundle of expensive "smart shots" and an expensive self-propelled gun XM1299 with an XM907 gun is a dead-end path, plus wear of the gun barrel, a bundle of unmanned aircraft + "smart bomb" is more promising - here an order of magnitude less vulnerability and longer range.
  14. Hermit21
    Hermit21 29 December 2020 10: 47
    0
    Record? "Koala" has been shooting 80+ for a long time
  15. DDZ57
    DDZ57 29 December 2020 12: 10
    +3
    Last year, at about the same time, there were articles on the testing of Rheinmetall artillery ammunition in South Africa at the Alkantpan test site. 70 km becomes the norm for them.
    The West is developing a family of unified cal. Ammunition. 155mm in different versions (conventional, with a bottom recess, with a bottom gas generator, with a taxiway and a bottom gas generator, including using a correction module integrated into the fuse and controlled). New technological equipment, an increase in the accuracy of processing the hull, an improvement in the quality of its equipment, control of imbalances at different technological stages, propellant charges insensitive to temperature, high-quality meteorological data, control over the initial velocities of shells, accurate topographical data about the position and about the enemy significantly increased the accuracy of fire of uncontrolled artillery pieces. shells and added sorrow for the enemy. The results were demonstrated by Turkey in Syria (January - March 2020) and Azerbaijan in Karabakh. The demonstration is not "cartoon".
    In the next 2-3 years, the designs of guided artillery projectiles with ramjet engines will be worked out, which will lead to a controlled flight of 120-150 km. Someone will say that all this is expensive.
    But don't count their money. This is their money and they decide how to spend it. Spending their money, they solve the problem of keeping their personnel in position.
    The work is complex: not only ammunition is brought in, but artillery systems are also being investigated. Not only the USA, but also the FRG are playing with the barrel length. The new Assegai VLAP projectile, unofficially designated VLAP 70, is played not only with the shape of the projectile, but also with the propellant charge, gas generator, jet engine, but also the length of the gun barrel, which is 60kb. All this will give the projectile an initial velocity exceeding 1000 m / s. The pressure / time curve will be maintained within the STANDARD working pressure of the implement by activating a dedicated ignition system.
    Systems of the limiting parameters of today are being developed, but tomorrow all this will become commonplace. Look at your phones from five years ago and look at the performance and capabilities of today. For them, it makes no difference where to work, that in the field of artillery, that in the field of electronics, everything is interconnected. Advances in one area of ​​technology are driving significant growth in another. It is not trading in raw materials.
    And all this is not crazy delusion.
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 29 December 2020 17: 04
      +1
      Thank you, Valery, for your interesting comment!
  16. kvs45
    kvs45 30 December 2020 18: 05
    0
    The couch accountants are touching! LET'S ADMIT. The shell destroyed a rocket launcher with a nuclear warhead, which was supposed to destroy an airfield with a couple of dozen modern aircraft. If the rocket flew to the airfield, how to compare the cost of the shell with the damage from the destroyed airfield with aircraft ?!