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The first serial Su-57 entered the Akhtubinsky GLITs

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The first serial Su-57 entered the Akhtubinsky GLITs

The first serial fighter of the fifth generation, the Su-57, entered the State Flight Test Center (GLITs) in Akhtubinsk. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.


According to the source, the fighter will be used to test hypersonic aviation means of destruction. Another source said that the vehicle will be transferred to the combat unit after testing at the center. The plane has already arrived at GLITs. The Ministry of Defense will receive the next four production Su-57 fighters in 2021.

Note that the first serial Su-57 is de facto the second aircraft from the pilot batch for two fighters. The first Su-57 crashed on December 24, 2019 during a test flight.

Earlier it was reported that the first serial Su-57 entered service with one of the aviation regiments of the Southern Military District.

At the collegium of the military department, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 2024 fifth-generation SU-22 fighters by the end of 57. In total, by 2027, the Ministry of Defense will receive 76 aircraft, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract signed in 2019.

The first production fighters will go to the troops with the first stage engine, the delivery of fighters with the second stage engine will begin in 2023-2025, there is no exact data.
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  1. bk316
    bk316 25 December 2020 17: 35
    +16
    Well, yes, I thought it was there. On a fishing trip I saw how they fly there. Beautiful and different from the Su-27 with the naked eye.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 December 2020 17: 46
      +12
      Quote: bk316
      Well, yes, I thought it was there. On a fishing trip I saw how they fly there. Beautiful and different from the Su-27 with the naked eye.

      I saw the Su-57 in Perm .. I don't know how it got there, but it was definitely the Su-57.
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      2. Lexus
        Lexus 25 December 2020 18: 27
        -47%
        "Whole" ONE serial ... Yeah - this "breakthrough" cannot be clearer. what
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 25 December 2020 18: 31
          +29
          Quote: lexus
          "Whole" ONE serial ... Yeah - this is a "breakthrough" can not be more visual

          Still, I would not sprinkle bile on the monitor, it would be very good ...
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 25 December 2020 18: 38
            -23%
            I am stating the facts. If you have leaks / burns somewhere, this is incontinence. Not to me.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 25 December 2020 18: 45
              -39%
              Alexey, do not bend under the gray inhabitants! I have now brought them all into a stupor!
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 25 December 2020 18: 59
                -21%
                They never left it. They have every day full of "breakthroughs" and "surprises." Either "universal joy", now "utter sorrow." Typically - for no clear reason.
                1. krot
                  krot 25 December 2020 23: 00
                  +10
                  "Whole" ONE serial ... Yeah - this "breakthrough" cannot be clearer. what

                  76 in 6 years is planned, and so far everything is going according to plan! Your Sumerian scavengers don't belong here at all laughing Remove the pans from the heads!
                  In the same way, you cried about the Su-34, that they do three a year ..) And now there are about 130 of them. Not like your shevto blakit Su-27 in the amount of 5 pieces)))
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 25 December 2020 23: 44
                    -1
                    Mole, open your eyes! It is not for you from your "place" to tell me what to do, and I will not "wash off" you. If one plane is enough for the Urya-screechers in a year, then I was born in a Country that built a much larger number every day.
                    1. krot
                      krot 26 December 2020 11: 33
                      +4
                      You are from the country of potheads who think of themselves as Sumerians. Your mosquito squeak does not affect anything at all ..
                      The dog barks, the caravan is coming! And the Su-57 will be enough for the country.
                      In 6 years, pieces per year, that would be 6 aircraft by 2027 to your all-prop pleasure. And it will be 76 laughing
                      Adios.
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 26 December 2020 14: 25
                        +1
                        76 is enough? Against 2,5 thousand from the enemy by that time? Warmth for you to live in the world. With saliva and bile, see, don't choke. Or...
                      2. Scipio African
                        Scipio African 26 December 2020 15: 38
                        +5
                        calm down anyway nenya kaput
                      3. lopvlad
                        lopvlad 27 December 2020 04: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: lexus
                        76 is enough? Against 2,5 thousand from the enemy by that time? T


                        The SU-57 is a 5th generation aircraft that can only be compared with the F-22, and the Americans have produced only 1997 of them from 187 to this day.
                  2. tomket
                    tomket 27 December 2020 00: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: lexus
                    If only ONE aircraft per year is enough for the Urya-screechers, then I was born in a Country that built a much larger number every day.

                    Well, the veteran of the Il-2 construction site, the manufacturer of the Tu-22, for example, could have said the same. Is there a difference between Tu-22 and Il-2? In general, there is nothing in your comment except the desire to douse the monitor with a known substance.
          2. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 25 December 2020 20: 42
            +21
            You are just stating your essence. When there will be a second serial, something will sound like
            "Whole" TWO serial is a "breakthrough"

            Etc. Whining and snot is your destiny good
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 25 December 2020 20: 47
              -13%
              You need to go to the front line, hamlo. C # not having an analoghoff weapon. I'll see how much it takes to become compost. "Johnny, you haven't changed at all." (FROM) bully
              1. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 25 December 2020 21: 04
                +45
                Rudeness is all your excrement for the work of designers, developers, pilots and everyone involved in a truly joyful event. And all your death wishes and "valuable" thoughts demonstrate that you have no idea what you are talking about. You don’t know what to design, create, to bring your soul into a common cause with a huge team, make mistakes, fall and get up again in spite of failures and ballast, create anew and, finally, after many years of hard work, achieve success, the result of which is demonstrated today. You don't know that. Because your destiny is not to create and fly, but to sit on the sofa, whine, scribble your most valuable opinion in comments and send curses. I wish you a long life and all the best. If you are certainly capable of something good, instead of breeding nuns hi
                1. not main
                  not main 25 December 2020 23: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  El Chuvachino (Dude) Today, 21:04

                  I subscribe to every word!
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 26 December 2020 00: 09
                    -3
                    CHUVA'K, -a ', m. ... originally in the sign. castrated ram (or camel); possible from gypsies. av is a boy. ("Dictionary of Russian Argo" by V. Elistratov).

                    Bravo! laughing
                2. Dym71
                  Dym71 26 December 2020 08: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  I wish you a long life and all the best.

                  Ah, well done! good
              2. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 25 December 2020 21: 30
                +18
                And in my opinion it's you Hamlo. Reread what you have written and look at your words from a moral-ethical (and slightly critical) point of view.
              3. Thompson
                Thompson 26 December 2020 11: 45
                +2
                In addition to the couch warriors, we now have couch generals!
                This is about you. a house is also made of bricks and one of them is the first!
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 26 December 2020 14: 27
                  +1
                  76 bricks only for you for the "pumpkin house" (kennel / booth) is enough. Or a headstone.
              4. tomket
                tomket 27 December 2020 00: 26
                0
                Quote: lexus
                You need to go to the front line, hamlo

                you just returned from there or what?))))
          3. Briz
            Briz 26 December 2020 01: 16
            +3
            I am stating the facts.

            Now, if in fact, in Syria the main "battle horses" were the Su 24-25. Simply because their servants are many times faster than the later and more advanced ones (I don’t detract from their merits either. 34-35 dryers also worked perfectly), but the "workhorses" of the war are those who have the ability to work for a long time in the take-off-task execution mode - landing-reloading-takeoff ... etc.
            Now I am not even advocating so much for ours as suggesting to look at potential opponents from this angle ..., they have something with the time of servicing the entire ultra-modern air ... winked , and you can't come up with a word, asks - air sales (factories-military ..., but where will you go)
          4. businessv
            businessv 26 December 2020 20: 51
            +1
            Quote: lexus
            I am stating the facts. If you have leaks / burns somewhere, this is incontinence. Not to me.

            I agree with you! It is so offensive to see how normal people who support the country do not understand each other! We need to stick together and understand what is really happening! What, one production aircraft, after its presentation in 2010, is this normal ?! Yes, it's a shame! Even considering his fine-tuning! hi
            1. tomket
              tomket 27 December 2020 00: 28
              +1
              Quote: businessv
              Yes, it's a shame! Even considering his fine-tuning!

              Come on buddy, go tell the creators of f 22 how they embarrassed themselves
              1. businessv
                businessv 27 December 2020 19: 20
                0
                Quote: tomket
                Come on buddy, go tell the creators of f 22 how they embarrassed themselves
                First, let me remind you that you did not pour me a drink to say "you", and secondly: what are you talking about specifically? About the fact that the first pre-production flight of the 22nd was in 97th, and the series began in 2001? And in 2008, 127 aircraft were already built. Would you like to say that we had a difficult situation, the timelessness of the 90s, getting up from the knees of the 22s and continuous bad luck until today? Well, and thirdly, I don’t consider the fXNUMX as a standard to be equal to, although the pace of deliveries of a serial aircraft to the troops would not hurt us to adopt!
        2. Vladimir247
          Vladimir247 26 December 2020 02: 42
          -7
          And where is bile? After all, no matter how you say serial, serial, ... there is still no series. And then it turns out that the second of the "series" needs improvements ... negative
      3. Escobar
        Escobar 25 December 2020 18: 51
        -38%
        Let's see how much it flies
      4. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 19: 31
        +22
        The whole "ONE serial ... Yes, this is a" breakthrough "that can not be clearer.


        For the "gifted" not ONE, but the FIRST SERIAL !!!

        IN THE FIRST CONTRACT THEIR ALREADY 76 !!!

        Considering its declared value, it turned out to be very affordable, that is, this contract is clearly not the last one.

        And yes, the Su-57 is a breakthrough, a breakthrough to a new level of multipurpose military aircraft !!!
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 25 December 2020 19: 34
          -19%
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          For the "gifted"

          Until the "first" contract is overpowered, the potential adversary will have more than 5 fighters of the 2,5th generation. You can "hoot-hop" as much as you like, but you're funny, no more.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 20: 00
            +19
            Vietnam had a hundred times fewer aircraft than the United States, but they destroyed more than 4000 US aircraft and UAVs and about 6000 US helicopters and forced them out of the conflict.

            That's how it happens))).
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 25 December 2020 20: 08
              -7
              The Great USSR stood behind Vietnam. The "gas station" has only an industry ditched by traitors and sold-out resources. Do you feel the difference?
              1. not main
                not main 25 December 2020 23: 37
                +7
                Quote: lexus
                The Great USSR stood behind Vietnam. The "gas station" has only an industry ditched by traitors and sold-out resources. Do you feel the difference?

                Actually, they feel ... oh well, but the Soviet people stood behind Vietnam! And now the Russian people are standing! And not for Vietnam, but for yourself!
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 25 December 2020 23: 49
                  +1
                  "They began to press on patriotism. Apparently, they steal." (FROM)
                  1. DrEng527
                    DrEng527 26 December 2020 15: 19
                    0
                    Quote: lexus
                    They began to press on patriotism. Apparently they got caught. "(C)

                    are you talking about your banderlog? bully Is criticism of shortcomings in Russia very good for raising self-awareness in Ukraine? bully Like criticized and it became easier, you can not look around ... wink
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 26 December 2020 15: 30
                      +2
                      Quoting a hackneyed manual for the mentally ill is the way to the bottom. Are there already or are you just striving? Russia has no shortcomings, except for people like you and roads.
                    2. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 26 December 2020 15: 38
                      0
                      Quote: lexus
                      Quoting a hackneyed manual for the mentally ill - the way to the bottom

                      you pointed your way very precisely ... bully
                      Quote: lexus
                      Russia has no shortcomings, except for roads and people like you.

                      Russia is a great country with a great people, of which I have the honor to be a part ... we have achievements and shortcomings, but at the same time there is a future ... hi
                      As for Ukraine, it is now a wretched and impoverished country without a future, whose inhabitants on the Internet try to realize their inferiority complexes from reality by blaming the shortcomings of other countries ... and why are you so interested in someone else's? Build your country and show how you can live well ... can't you? wink And you try to teach us? so funny and stupid ... hi
                      As for the roads, in the Russian Federation there were built 2,5 times more roads with hard surface than during the Soviet era. hi These are statistics, but your road situation in Ukraine has become sad ... However, if I'm wrong, I'm waiting for statistics ...
                      As for me personally, against my background you are an illiterate and notorious foreign demagogue ... I give you the opportunity to communicate with me on a whim - Saturday, I have a rest ... hi
            2. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 28 December 2020 19: 15
              0
              Whoever was behind Vietnam, he had more planes than the United States because of this, while they tore American planes in their skies to shreds.

              And the great USSR, if you are not in the know, also sold resources, only then, with all this, toilet paper was even in short supply, grain had to be bought abroad, while the gold reserves were also consumed, which was at its maximum under Stalin. And as a result, the great USSR, having brought its people to poverty, fell into pieces !!!

              What are you praising in this system ?! Because of the USSR, that political and economic system, we lost huge territories and resources, just without a war because of people like you - mediocre populists !!!

              And under Putin, the USSR also paid off the debts and those that they gained in the 90s, accumulated reserves for 600 billion dollars, exports agricultural products for 25 billion dollars a year, we build new cars, planes, ships and missiles !!!

              And under Putin, Russia has grown by 2 regions !!!
          2. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 26 December 2020 03: 52
            +4
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Vietnam had a hundred times fewer aircraft than the United States, but they destroyed more than 4000 US aircraft and UAVs and about 6000 US helicopters and forced them out of the conflict.

            For objectivity's sake, 2/3 of American planes in Southeast Asia were shot down by anti-aircraft artillery. And aviation losses were by no means the main reason for the US withdrawal from the war.
        2. Thompson
          Thompson 26 December 2020 11: 48
          0
          Quote: lexus
          Until the "first" contract is overpowered, the potential adversary will have more than 5 fighters of the 2,5th generation.

          What is your recipe for correcting this imbalance?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 26 December 2020 14: 30
            +1
            The Great Soviet Union had enough for everything. Think for yourself, finally!
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 27 December 2020 09: 10
            -1
            What is your recipe for correcting this imbalance?
            To restore reduced units, closed airfields, flight schools, aircraft factories ..., to stop raking all other aircraft building schools under the Sukhoi design bureau.
        3. tomket
          tomket 27 December 2020 00: 29
          -1
          Quote: lexus
          Until the "first" contract is overpowered, the potential adversary will have more than 5 fighters of the 2,5th generation. You can "hoot-hop" as much as you like, but you're funny, no more.

          Only you look like a funny clown
      5. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 26 December 2020 02: 46
        0
        This is not a Russian view. The contract is a piece of paper. And even tough ... laughing
        And in Russian it will be: don't say gop until you jump over. That's when there will be 76 in the hangars, then we can talk about the series.
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    3. Cron
      Cron 25 December 2020 19: 39
      -37%
      Quote: lexus
      "Whole" ONE serial ... Yeah - this "breakthrough" cannot be clearer. what

      Much more clearly, when one miracle fell apart without a single shot
      1. Scipio African
        Scipio African 26 December 2020 13: 26
        -3
        I look at the representatives of the flat-lying geeks dressed up under the Sovdep have minus you
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 27 December 2020 09: 12
          -2
          I look at the representatives of the flat-lying geeks dressed up under the Sovdep have minus you
          Your dear, no matter how the khokhly under the bed started up again ...
    4. Stas 2rep
      Stas 2rep 25 December 2020 20: 28
      +1
      Rotaru was blocked by those.
    5. XXXIII
      XXXIII 25 December 2020 21: 11
      +3
      Quote: lexus
      "Whole" ONE serial ... Yeah - this "breakthrough" cannot be clearer. what

      Have you ever heard that planes deliver one by one?))
    6. Labrador
      Labrador 26 December 2020 00: 17
      +8
      It took 22 years from the moment of the first flight of the f-7 to the first production aircraft. The series for 14 years amounted to 187 cars. How many of them fly?
    7. Scipio African
      Scipio African 26 December 2020 13: 23
      0
      How you annoyed the mummers of the Ukrainians with your bestial ulcer
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 26 December 2020 14: 31
        +2
        Are you talking about yourself? Self-restrained. Hit on further. Desirable with a result.
  2. VO3A
    VO3A 25 December 2020 18: 37
    -45%
    Who on the forum knows what the Su-57 is for? Why do you need a 5th generation aircraft at all? What tasks should he perform for the military? Do the Russian Aerospace Forces know why they need the Su-57? And how, in general, the fifth generation is fundamentally different from all the previous ones, in terms of comparing old and new? I think almost no one !!!
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 25 December 2020 18: 56
      +23
      In theory, stealth and good detection systems. The same f35 has a simple concept. He must see the enemy as far away as possible first and launch missiles from there. To do this, he has stealth - to be noticed as late as possible. And serious radar to spot the enemy earlier. If it does not work and is noticed, then he will not have any special advantages over our su35.
      Su57 has the same concept - stealth and good radar to spot the enemy before they spot him. But in general, this is a transition to a completely new generation. After all, all su30, su35, su33. su34 - grew out of su27. And su 57 is already a new base on which various modifications will also be built. Something like this.
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 25 December 2020 19: 01
        -23%
        Your comments are always interesting! The attempt is valid! But you took and considered not the main application of the 5th generation aircraft. Rather auxiliary, in the role of a fighter. And in this version there are inaccuracies. He does not need to turn on the radar in the active mode, he will immediately lose its advantages! It is fundamentally !
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 December 2020 19: 09
          +11
          It is fundamentally !

          Judging by the abundance of exclamation marks, Friday is in full swing.
          Please do not stop commenting. I think I'm not the only one who will be interested to know how everything will end.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 25 December 2020 19: 11
            -23%
            There is nothing to comment on. Nobody knows anything, as in our General Staff .. They will twist the aerobatics and wipe them with a rag .. So that it was, no worse than the Americans ...
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 December 2020 19: 13
              +17
              Quote: VO3A
              Nobody knows anything, like in our General Staff.

              But it looks like you know everything inside and out. Only your opinion, fortunately, everybody cares.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 25 December 2020 19: 20
                -14%
                I just want to start writing until they notice and begin to shut their mouths or offer something! We need to tell them why they made such an airplane and what it can do. The plane is great. The truth may be missing something inside! But it's not difficult, the architecture is open. The main thing is that they know what they want! Not yet! So the forum has quieted down, spits "-" and that's it! Cheap!
                1. poquello
                  poquello 25 December 2020 19: 29
                  +15
                  Quote: VO3A
                  The truth may be missing something inside!

                  engine on new principles, with Gridasov
      2. dauria
        dauria 25 December 2020 20: 43
        +6
        The same f35 has a simple concept. He must see the enemy as far away as possible first and launch missiles from there


        The greatest delusion. The F-35 concept is to fly as close as possible unnoticed with your bombs. Therefore, no long-range missiles a la R-37 or the old Phoenix. No active locator search. "Behind" your own AWACS (if it survives). Escort fighters (the same F-35) have only medium and short all-aspect ratios in a ratio of 1: 3. Ideally, the group is detected at a distance of no more than 100 km (against the background of the earth this is a real figure), after which an attempt to break through immediately to a close-range missile combat and tie up the attackers until the F-35 bombers work.
        In the future, "bombers" will be cheap UAV Valkyries or Wingmans, or something else.
      3. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 26 December 2020 02: 52
        0
        V2
        --------- Just notice this detail. About Soviet products in the present. You wrote it yourself, not me, did you?
        And about the current product - "will" ... everything and always only in the future. Which cannot come in any way.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 25 December 2020 18: 59
      +15
      Quote: VO3A
      Why do you need a 5th generation aircraft at all?

      Try to finish first grade.
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 19: 38
      +7
      Everyone who is even a little interested in this issue knows the answer to your question. You yourself would not hurt to inquire about this topic before asking it.

      The 5th generation of fighters differs from the 4 ++ in low visibility, that is, such an aircraft will be detected if it is significantly closer to the enemy's radar in comparison with the 4th generation aircraft.

      And this gives a number of advantages in the tactics of using such fighters. That is, such an aircraft can use its weapons until it is detected by the enemy's radar.

      A more powerful radar allows you to see further, more targets to attack and accompany.

      The speed and maneuverability will allow you to quickly intercept and attack the enemy and perform anti-missile maneuvers, avoiding a missile attack.

      And be sure that the pilots certainly understand why they need a new multirole fighter.
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 25 December 2020 19: 48
        -16%
        And be sure that the pilots certainly understand why they need a new multirole fighter.

        With all due respect to the pilots, you are very much mistaken! A pilot is a user. He can do what he is taught. He has no idea what an airplane can do, and how it works ... Engineers tell him and take tests from him. He is being retrained and upgraded at flight centers. And there are even more engineers and designers, and pilot-instructors who have already been taught ... But this is a separate topic ...
        Your answer to the question is childish, at the reader's level ... and the most typical. You have no idea about a 5th generation aircraft.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 25 December 2020 22: 39
        +6
        This is very controversial .. You contradict yourself. For stealth ends at the moment the radar is turned on .. If the onboard radar sees further, then they see it further .. And what about maneuverability and speed - then a penguin comes out - not the fifth generation? Since with this the F-35, to put it mildly, not ah ..
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 25 December 2020 23: 21
          -9
          You read your comment, think, read my post and figure out what contradicts what! And your stupid conclusions to me ... You shouldn't blame me for your delusional conclusions ...
    4. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 25 December 2020 20: 44
      +8
      Quote: VO3A
      Why do you need a 5th generation aircraft at all? What tasks should he perform for the military? Do the Russian Aerospace Forces know why they need the Su-57? And how, in general, the fifth generation is fundamentally different from all the previous ones, in terms of comparing old and new? I think almost no one !!!


      One question: what do you have to do with aircraft construction and aerospace communications?
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        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 25 December 2020 21: 12
          +6
          This is the question. Again. How do you relate to aviation?
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 26 December 2020 00: 45
            0
            Direct! This is my life, my profession, family tradition, the essence of the military class ... Enough?
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 27 December 2020 21: 06
              -1
              More specifically, you can? What kind of profession?
    5. Eragon
      Eragon 25 December 2020 21: 38
      +5
      Quote: VO3A
      Who on the forum knows what the Su-57 is for? Why do you need a 5th generation aircraft at all? What tasks should he perform for the military? Do the Russian Aerospace Forces know why they need the Su-57? And how, in general, the fifth generation is fundamentally different from all the previous ones, in terms of comparing old and new? I think almost no one !!!

      I will say this - what the Americans got out of what was planned was called the 5th generation. In fact, the F-22, the F-35, and the SU-57 are the 4th generation with any number of advantages. And in the early 90s, back in the USSR, talking about plans for the 5th generation of aircraft, such necessary things as hypersound and spacewalk were called. They didn't even stutter about invisibility, in this situation it is not needed. In addition, it provided for an unmanned return of the aircraft home if it was impossible to control the pilot.
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 26 December 2020 00: 48
        -6
        You should write fantastic books! Ask yourself a question about your fairy tales: why do you need it?
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 26 December 2020 07: 59
          +1
          Quote: VO3A
          You should write fantastic books! Ask yourself a question about your fairy tales: why do you need it?

          And you should be less clever. I will answer, for the last time. Actually, Mr. Reagan scared the Soviet government a lot. The SDI program was taken very seriously. It is now known that SDI was a bluff, but then it was not known. Hence the requirements. Why are these characteristics needed? For example, for the destruction of ballistic missiles in the active phase of the trajectory and in space, for the destruction of strike satellites, the organization of combat alert in space.
          By the way, the presence of a toilet on board the SU-57 is an echo of Soviet developments and not in case "forgot to write", for this it was possible to do with a diaper. But if the day is on duty, and when in low orbit it does not require large expenditures of fuel, then there is no way without a toilet. Moreover, it was considered necessary to have a simulator for physical exercises, since even a day in zero gravity does not have the best effect on the pilot in the event of the start of hostilities.
          And what about science fiction ... Have you watched Terminator for a long time? In the mid-80s, it was cool fantasy. And now they make iron hands and feet, they insert cameras instead of eyes, drones run, crawl, fly. AI is going to give up control of nuclear potential. No fiction.
  3. Pereira
    Pereira 25 December 2020 18: 41
    +2
    I saw it at the Zhukovsky air show. IN 2014.
  4. figwam
    figwam 25 December 2020 18: 43
    +18
    In Novosibirsk.
    1. Guru
      Guru 25 December 2020 19: 36
      +2
      In Novosibirsk.
      In the language of techies, it's Gymnastics laughing
  5. GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 25 December 2020 23: 24
    0
    I saw him in Chelyabinsk about a year ago, Shagol sat down at the base, it is also not clear what he was doing there ...
  • LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 25 December 2020 18: 34
    +6
    I apologize for not being in the subject ...
    There is a terrorist attack in the States. In Nashville, a parked van exploded in the center. The number of victims has not yet been reported, but according to photos and videos, there are quite a few of them ...
    The FBI has already stated that this is a deliberate detonation.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 25 December 2020 18: 37
      +8

      In addition to what was written.
      1. figwam
        figwam 25 December 2020 18: 42
        +9
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        There is a terrorist attack in the States.

        A reason to introduce martial law.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 25 December 2020 18: 51
          +4
          Quote: figvam
          A reason to introduce martial law.

          Do you think Agent Donald went to extreme measures? Followed by accusations against Iranian IRGC and blow with "axes" ..? what
          1. figwam
            figwam 25 December 2020 19: 24
            +6
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Followed by accusations against Iranian IRGC and blow with "axes" ..?

            Very similar to that.
      2. Prax1
        Prax1 25 December 2020 18: 59
        -6
        I'm running for popcorn. I wonder how soon the Russian trail will be found
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 25 December 2020 18: 44
      +9
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      The FBI has already stated that this is a deliberate detonation

      And Russia has not yet been accused? Here ... the Balts ...
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 25 December 2020 18: 48
        +5
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And Russia has not yet been accused?

        Probably this one was not organized by themselves. wink Therefore, while nobody is accused.
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 25 December 2020 19: 00
      +3
      Have not announced yet that it is Petrov and Vasechkin, have you been there?
      So that is understandable, tragedy, peaceful people suffer the most ...
      Let's see if they can make a farce out of the tragedy, as they can.
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 19: 39
      0
      Well, why is there about a terrorist attack in the United States ?!

      So the whole feed is clogged with a lot of crazy comments, let's drag all the news here.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 25 December 2020 19: 44
        +15
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Well, why is there about a terrorist attack in the United States ?!

        First, I apologized to the users.
        Secondly, the site is very slow to respond to such events.
        And thirdly, there were options for either Haftar or the Su-57.
        Minus from you, I accepted. yes
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 19: 58
          +3
          News on the Su-57, so let's discuss it, and everything else elsewhere.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 December 2020 18: 56
    +2
    Ha, I also wanted to write that when we go fishing, we'll see them there, in kind. Airplanes often fly over the backwater, low. When footage of flights, the shots show familiar places in general.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 25 December 2020 17: 38
    +18
    The first serial fighter of the fifth generation, the Su-57, entered the State Flight Test Center (GLITs) in Akhtubinsk.
    Long and successful service! soldier
    1. ancient
      ancient 25 December 2020 18: 05
      +24
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Long and successful service!

      Wishes not very ... "to the address" wink
      The first (and maybe a few more pieces .. how .. "will go) ALWAYS (meaning any types of airplanes and helicopters) are transferred to GLITS .. for the stage" A "of military tests wink.
      Those. from the planes will ... "squeeze .. all the" juices ", to identify" correspondences or non-conformities of the Airplane Flight Manual provisions "... in ALL modes and with all types of ASP. soldier
      Maybe the 2nd and 3rd serials are the same ... as the process "goes on", then stage "B" will be carried out by the GLITs themselves or stage "B" will be transferred to Lipetsk) .....
      And only then the next cars of the series (if everything is "with an estimate" of about good ") will already be sent to the pulp and paper industry in Lipetsk, for the preparation and development of methods of combat use and amendments and additions to the airplane flight manual for" combat pilots " "changes and additions" result in restrictions .. (temporary or permanent) and sometimes remain valid until ... until a given type of aircraft can be removed from service and decommissioned as a type. soldier
      1. ancient
        ancient 25 December 2020 18: 24
        +15
        Quote: ancient
        Those. planes will ... "squeeze .. all the" juices "

        I will add ... as a rule, all cars that came for testing at GLITs ... after him and .. "remain". wink
  • Note
    Note 25 December 2020 17: 44
    +7
    As I said, the first batch was reduced to 22 units, with a delivery time of up to 2024, i.e. without changes. And this suggests that there are all those advances that I mentioned earlier, within the framework of the improvement of the second and subsequent batches of SU 57. And these improvements are extremely significant and bring this complex practically to the level of the next generation.
    1. VO3A
      VO3A 25 December 2020 18: 11
      -22%
      And these improvements are extremely significant and bring this complex practically to the level of the next generation.

      You can't figure it out with the 5th generation, just like our VKS! They do not know what to do with it and how to apply it, and have not yet figured out why they need it at all ... And you are already hinting about the 6th, you even have no idea about the 6th, however, as well as about 5 -m ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 December 2020 18: 54
        +3
        Quote: VO3A
        And these improvements are extremely significant and bring this complex practically to the level of the next generation.

        You can't figure it out with the 5th generation, just like our VKS! They do not know what to do with it and how to apply it, and have not yet figured out why they need it at all ... And you are already hinting about the 6th, you even have no idea about the 6th, however, as well as about 5 -m ...

        and who has a clue?
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 25 December 2020 19: 08
          -18%
          I have ! A slender, verified and logical concept that takes into account the latest achievements and existing experience! And open source.
          1. poquello
            poquello 25 December 2020 19: 33
            +5
            Quote: VO3A
            I have ! Slender, verified and logical concept,

            maybe a concept? what about the concept
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 25 December 2020 19: 14
        +11
        Ha, write, explain, if you are so understanding.
        Give examples of who and what has achieved on the way that was so advertised when creating the same "penguin" ...
        Show that the leaders in the race for a new, advanced, aircraft, they themselves know and do everything they wrote about.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 25 December 2020 19: 27
          -10%
          Well, you should be familiar with my views, you and I often crossed paths ... I spoke very clearly about the purpose of the 5th generation aircraft, and this appointment clearly implies the main features that it should have ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 December 2020 20: 03
            +12
            The criteria for evaluating generations are set by the creators of this object. You can argue, you can chase other people's indicators, or you can use your own ... this is not important for everyone.
            BUT, you raised the question, WHY our VKS has such an aircraft, you said that ours have no understanding, development plans, in short - what is it, why is it and why is it !!!
            A serious statement, the cost will explain, substantiate your opinion ...
            For example, I am sure that the Yankees did not provide, did not create even a quarter of what is needed to confirm the declared, advertised, when creating this object ..... so far, this is a flying FAILURE, if you consider, all that THEY stated. They continue to work, experiment, modernize, create ... i.e. the process has not finished yet and it is too early to give a final assessment.
            Our process has begun, has not begun, who can RESPONSIBLY DECLARE, SHOW, PROVE about this ??? Accordingly, it is very premature to draw any conclusions.
            At the expense of our military's understanding of what a tactical aviation complex is ... there it is, this is clear from indirect signs. Just its development, with us, at the very beginning of the path !!!
            This is my opinion and I am ready to confirm it. Like this.
            PS. I, not a feathered one, and about the plane itself, I will not argue about its flight characteristics .... but on control systems of control, reconnaissance and other "service" of the combat process, this is a familiar thing, but it is exactly what was indicated in many ways as a tactical aircraft platform 5 or whatever.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 25 December 2020 20: 19
              -9
              but in terms of control systems for control, reconnaissance and other "service" of the combat process, the matter is familiar, but it is precisely what was largely designated as a tactical aviation platform of the 5th or some other generation.

              But you see, we are in the same boat. tactical aviation platform 5 right into the topic. But only you do not want to add about the entry of this platform into the general information system. Not only can this aircraft do a lot, it must realize these capabilities, manifest them in the general information system of reconnaissance and target designation and in real time ... This is its essence! Be in the system!
              And now about the "imperfection". Its poor flight characteristics and some inconsistencies with some of the signs are not so important! Although these inconsistencies cannot be dropped at all. They have an Information System, which includes the F35, and this system is constantly evolving and requires more and more new capabilities from its "brains" and there are constant improvements with variables, but success ...
              And the possibilities in this system are breathtaking!
              I would like the Su-57 to fly with impunity over one unfriendly country and show what he saw ... Clarified what air defense they still have and ... so on ... I think I'll wait ...
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 25 December 2020 21: 40
                -4
                There are 9 irrevocably outdated A-50s, 15 tankers, and a couple of dozen electronic warfare / RER aircraft left in the whole country. What capabilities of fighter aircraft can we talk about? We are at the level of Serbia in 1999, with its cool and useless MiG-29. Su-57 is another image project, the capabilities of which simply cannot be realized.
                The same F-35 was created to take a place in the combat system, no more and no less. And they develop individual parts of this system, increasing the overall capabilities. We only have unrelated elements that will be destroyed individually without understanding anything. The main thing is a vigorous bomb, all discussions come down to it. For everyone understands that against China and NATO, we are nothing, without nuclear weapons.

                1. poquello
                  poquello 25 December 2020 22: 12
                  -4
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  What capabilities of fighter aircraft can we talk about? We are at the level of Serbia in 1999, with its cool and useless MiG-29.

                  American pilots in Syria told you this along the way)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) rzhudolgo
                2. rocket757
                  rocket757 25 December 2020 22: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  The same F-35 was created to take a place in the combat system, no more and no less

                  No more, no less, these are the developers' fantasies, which are far from being realized.
                3. VO3A
                  VO3A 25 December 2020 23: 42
                  +2
                  In fact, I completely agree!
                  But the capabilities of the Su-57 can be partially realized, you need to start with a simple one ... To begin with, in the air defense system, we have it developed and, in a sense, network-centric ... there are no other systems yet .. But we have everything to create them, or at least elements of these systems. And they will be very effective. Moreover, pi_ndos have system errors ... But there is no understanding in our military leadership, none ...
                  The F35 is the main element of their combat system, not just an element ...
              2. poquello
                poquello 25 December 2020 22: 10
                -2
                Quote: VO3A
                I would like the Su-57 to fly with impunity over one unfriendly country and show what he saw ... Clarified what air defense they still have and ... so on ... I think I'll wait ...

                no matter, Gorbachev waited, Reagan showed him satellite images under the guise of flying over the country with impunity))))))))))))))))))))
              3. rocket757
                rocket757 25 December 2020 22: 34
                +2
                Quote: VO3A
                But only you do not want to add about the entry of this platform into the general information system

                I will write about this when ANYWHERE the prototype of such a system appears. So far, only at the stage of creating, experimenting, separate, isolated "stubs". The Yankees themselves wrote about this, I also wrote / reminded about it. They have plans outlined, they have not heard about the implementation of those for a long time, they have not written. Assuming it's a big, big screen ... is kind of a stretch. Yankees love to brag about their accomplishments.
                About our plans, achievements, you can not raise the issue, for the time being ...
                Quote: VO3A
                They have an Information System, which includes the F35, and this system is constantly evolving and requires more and more new capabilities from its "brains" and there are constant improvements with variables, but success

                I don't know why you decided that the system already exists ... the fact that the aircraft itself can order spare parts, components, consumables ... I have nothing to do with the tactical / combat information system. Even the weather forecast, which the aircraft can receive itself and give recommendations to the pilot, is ... NOT THE LEVEL.
                MY VERSION - the Yankees do it because they can do it, they have sufficient funding, scientific and technological personnel, resources, and capacities.
                We will follow the same path, but with a noticeable lag ...
                China ... now, for sure, they will be able to do the same, although they can "blind" in their own way. The functionality is likely to be repeated the same as everyone else.
                The prospects do not capture my spirit, because when I was on business in military design bureaus, even then, I heard "fantasies" and abruptly. Not grown together, not implemented, but it's a pity.
                1. VO3A
                  VO3A 25 December 2020 23: 01
                  +2
                  You better not write this! I see you are not at all in the subject. Then about our system ESU TZ "Constellation-M". Development began in 2000. Equipping the army until 2020. Putin's presidential program. The system was adopted by Gerasimov personally in 2013. Even at the time of adoption, the military did not decide on the requirements for the system. They were constantly changing and refined. And it all ended sadly ... The President's program to create a modern network-centric system and equip the army has not been fulfilled. The imperfection of the NSGS of Russia personally put into service in the trash heap, lost time and money. UAVs were not even included in the tactical echelon system. And the computing and transmitting capabilities were so ridiculous that I don't even want to talk ... At the same time, the command was engaged in window dressing and falsification of the results of the work done ... The Internet is full of fraudulent messages and photos ... Result: the Academy of Military Sciences and the General Staff made a decision, that we do not need network-centric systems for the successful conduct of modern combat operations, because ... they are neutralized by electronic warfare systems ... All information about the enemy is obtained from us by people. Even now, our UAVs provide target designation in real time only for show. We do not know how to wage a modern war until now. We have no information about the enemy in real time anywhere .. Neither in Syria, nor in Libya, nor in the LPNR, on all our borders and in hot spots ... Our army is blind and deaf and sees nothing without people on the front end ... the level of the 2nd World .....
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 25 December 2020 23: 44
                    +4
                    Quote: VO3A
                    Even at the time of adoption, the military did not decide on the requirements for the system. They were constantly changing and refined. And it all ended sadly ...

                    He spoke very well about THIS, explained Khodorenok, at the "Hour of the Militarist" ... from his explanation, I understood that we should wait and wait for a truly working, effective system. There are experts who are not inclined to listen to all sorts of assurances, reports and other bravura reports / promises, but cut the truth to the womb as it is !!! Moreover, they have access to information that we do not have ....
                    So, what I had to say because it doesn’t work in fact ... if we were talking about the automated control system of the Moscow missile defense position area, of the period when I "worked for the war" ... that is. of what really existed !!!
                    But these are things of bygone days and no one is interested now.
                    Quote: VO3A
                    Our army is blind and deaf and sees nothing without people at the front ... the level of the 2nd World ....

                    Are you ready to subscribe to your every word ???
                    Any complex problem, complex matter, complex issue should be divided and disassembled into parts, directions, tension nodes ... simpler questions, it is easier to find simple, objective answers. This dramatically reduces time and gives more accurate results.
                    1. VO3A
                      VO3A 26 December 2020 00: 33
                      +3
                      Are you ready to subscribe to your every word ???

                      Yes, I'm ready. You may not know something, not have information, but new organizational structures are needed to introduce new methods and approaches ... Do we have UAV regiments? Here is the answer to many questions! And RUK and ROK from the Wise One? And the SAS service against the partisans in Syria is a SHAME for the modern army, and Prokhorenko is not an isolated case ... And the Tu-214R writes to the carrier, which is discarded after landing ?! What is the real time? And UAVs blindly fly over a route of more than 150 km, and write to the carrier on board ?! This is the Russian forward army ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 26 December 2020 09: 42
                        -1
                        Quote: VO3A
                        Yes, I'm ready

                        Oh what porridge !!! "LETTER FROM A DISAPPOINTED MAN".
                        I'll try to make out what you mixed ... then.
                        As a thesis - try to understand for yourself, the complex on the Tu-214, is there WHAT? Why and why.
              4. Incvizitor
                Incvizitor 25 December 2020 23: 00
                0
                Inconsistencies with the requirements for the filling can be tightened in the future as well as the armament, but the poor fu base with structural flaws can be sawed, in fact, the creation of a new aircraft.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 25 December 2020 23: 48
                  0
                  A skilled strategist can create conditions, tactics of application, allowing to neutralize individual shortcomings, effectively use the advantages of an object !!! Until you check, you won't know. So far there has been no real verification, testing, comparison.
                  1. Incvizitor
                    Incvizitor 26 December 2020 00: 12
                    +1
                    There are plenty of factors, both AWACS and air defense and missile defense.
          2. Lord
            Lord 26 December 2020 01: 04
            0
            A lot of water and not some specifics
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 19: 43
        -4
        So, you're just a troll))).

        Calm down, in Russia they perfectly understand why the fifth generation fighter and how the 5 differs from the fifth.

        I’ll answer you right away so that I don’t write more nonsense - 6 from 5 differs in unmanned version, and the rest is the same.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 25 December 2020 20: 01
          -7
          You are very wrong! More precisely guess! The 6th generation will have 2 pilots. You yourself perfectly know nothing! Ask yourself what is a 5th generation aircraft for and when does it become one?
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 20: 04
            0
            Two pilots talking about 6th generation? ))

            There are two on the Su-30SM, is this your 6th generation? ))

            How does the 5th generation differ from the 4th and from the 6th I have already answered you. No need to blunt so hard, dill)).
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 25 December 2020 20: 33
              -7
              Your answer to the question is childish, at the reader's level ... and the most typical. You have no idea about a 5th generation aircraft.

              The 6th generation will have 2 pilots
              This is what I already wrote, and where are your speculations?
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 25 December 2020 17: 46
    +9
    With a start! Good luck!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 December 2020 17: 48
    0
    Whenever it had to happen!
    Clear sky! The path of this aircraft was thorny and not easy. He even went down in history as an example of promises and long-term construction, but, as you know, every great path begins with the first small step.
    It remains to wish the aircraft manufacturers success in their hard work and building up the series!
    1. figwam
      figwam 25 December 2020 18: 10
      +7
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      He even went down in history as an example of promises and long-term construction

      The Americans built their F-22 even longer and do not consider it long-term construction.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 25 December 2020 20: 36
        -4
        And the Pentagon has announced every year for ten years, that here ... Now tomorrow ... Next year ...?
  • yehat2
    yehat2 25 December 2020 18: 11
    -10%
    Quote: Note
    bring this complex almost to the level

    when hundreds of real modern missiles appear in our warehouses, I will at least think about whether you are right or not, but now we have weapons from the 70s in our warehouses. What nafig level?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2020 19: 06
      -2
      Mostly 80s weapons.
  • monster
    monster 25 December 2020 18: 27
    +7
    Barimore, what is this howl and blaze? These are the Svidomites who are spewing fire and flames, sir. Su-57 has been launched, sir.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 25 December 2020 18: 29
    +4
    it is just necessary to organize training on the most advanced weapons ... from this point of view, Lipetsk is an ideal place for training and practicing the combat use of the SU-57 ... disclosing its capabilities
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 25 December 2020 19: 09
      +7
      The capabilities of such a complex will be revealed only when the appropriate structures for organizing the combat process are created and implemented wherever necessary.
      The Yankees have created an airplane, they are preparing, testing the external infrastructure and .... so far, almost nothing is available anywhere. And an airplane, just like an airplane, not a command center, is an element of a serious tactical system of the system.
      That is, we are facing an equally difficult and long path of development.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 25 December 2020 18: 37
    +4
    Could have done faster if distributed among factories. The same IAZ could do ... But, they want to remove the military commissar from ours, as I heard. Purely under ms, which I consider to be a big mistake, because in the case of a "big alarm" Knaz is completely under fire with cruise missiles from the Pacific Ocean, and with China, it is generally on the border. At the same time, the IAZ is geographically remote from both the PRC and the oceans.
    Why they did this is not entirely clear. There should be several productions of such equipment and they should be located away from "friends". So at least you can have time to react to cruise missiles
  • RUSS
    RUSS 25 December 2020 18: 42
    -18%
    Quote: lexus
    "Whole" ONE serial ... Yeah - this "breakthrough" cannot be clearer. what

    The main thing is that we now have an aircraft of generation 4 +++
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 25 December 2020 18: 47
    +4
    The first four years on average five cars a year, and in the remaining two - 27? I don’t know, some strange release plan
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2020 19: 09
      +2
      For this aircraft, they also create new weapons and wait for an engine - so there is nothing surprising in such purchases.
    2. Guru
      Guru 25 December 2020 19: 33
      +2
      The first four years on average five cars a year, and in the remaining two - 27? I don’t know, some strange release plan
      Nothing strange, other resources are just busy producing other models.
  • Guru
    Guru 25 December 2020 19: 31
    -3
    According to the source, the fighter will be used to test hypersonic aircraft weapons.
    But this is already interesting! Is the "Dagger"
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 December 2020 19: 53
      +4
      There is no new tactical missile with a scramjet engine from the Tactical Missile Armament Concern
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 December 2020 19: 40
    -1
    Here the people will tumble on it while mastering it. good
  • Tagan
    Tagan 25 December 2020 20: 02
    +5
    Quote: lexus
    They never left it. They have every day full of "breakthroughs" and "surprises." Either "universal joy", now "utter sorrow." Typically - for no clear reason.

    According to my observations, there are usually two mourners here - you and Svarog. Well, plus kukapekaly on the backing vocals, squealing, not knowing what they were talking about.
    You are funny, the right word. Having not done anything useful and noticeable in life, you puff out your cheeks and talk about what you don’t understand.
  • iouris
    iouris 25 December 2020 20: 19
    0
    What is he serial, if he entered GLITs?
  • victor50
    victor50 25 December 2020 21: 00
    -2
    I do not understand - if the entire series of 76 aircraft (for 7-8 years) - is it necessary to bother with them at all? Such a series - and even extended in time - as if it will not make the weather in aviation, and will not solve any problems.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 December 2020 21: 45
      +12
      Will significantly increase the level of technology in aircraft construction in any case. Without the Su-57, it will be impossible to advance further - to the next developments.
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 December 2020 22: 21
        -5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Without the Su-57, it will be impossible to advance further - to the next developments.

        and you probably had some thoughts that led to this conclusion? )
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 26 December 2020 03: 59
          +2
          in any case, you need a platform for debugging and testing new developments.
          With all due respect to the Su-27 line, this aircraft is no longer suitable.
          Therefore, the choice falls on the Su-57 for lack of alternatives.
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 25 December 2020 21: 12
    -6
    The reason for submitting the Su-57 in 2019 was apparently never found, because there were no statements.
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 December 2020 23: 17
      0
      So there is no reason.
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 25 December 2020 21: 13
    -3
    Quote: victor50
    I do not understand - if the entire series of 76 aircraft (for 7-8 years) - is it necessary to bother with them at all? Such a series - and even extended in time - as if it will not make the weather in aviation, and will not solve any problems.

    This is a series for 7-8 years, then they will order again as with the Su-34, Su-35 ... now is not the time of the USSR when they ordered the whole batch at once.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 25 December 2020 21: 48
    +5
    I read the comments. There is no consensus, it is understandable. The main question is hanging: Why do we need such a machine, what goals and objectives are set for it? The Su-57 of the first series is the deepest groundwork for the future, a universal platform both for creating on its basis the main aircraft and target, multifunctional complexes. Track the history of the development of the Su-27.
  • Angry
    Angry 26 December 2020 00: 46
    0
    It turns out that the first squadron will enter service by the end of 22 years. The first regiment in 25, and in 27 we will already have two regiments, 38 vehicles each. Well, what is EXCELLENT!
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 26 December 2020 03: 05
    +7
    Yeah .. nothing changes to VO. As soon as the news, even with a small glimpse of positive in relation to Russia, appears, Lexus and its neighbors in the cesspool immediately jump in and begin to water everything with their contents.
  • Russian2020
    Russian2020 26 December 2020 08: 18
    -1
    Super, here's a gift for the new year, rejoice pendoliberasie
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 26 December 2020 18: 45
    +1
    Quote: lexus

    -1
    76 is enough? Against 2,5 thousand from the enemy by that time? Warmth for you to live in the world. With saliva and bile, see, don't choke. Or...

    I'm curious about a person who stands up for the revival of the post-Soviet space is persecuted for a sane comment,
    Gentlemen, I have a question for you, if you persecute those who sympathize with Russia, then how do you plan to restore the post-Soviet space?
    Looking at your comments in Washington, LondуAnd Ankara is happy to sip coffee, tea, coffee and rather rub their hands - the slovens grabbed each other's throats ...
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 26 December 2020 19: 56
    +1
    Quote: lexus
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    For the "gifted"

    Until the "first" contract is overpowered, the potential adversary will have more than 5 fighters of the 2,5th generation. You can "hoot-hop" as much as you like, but you're funny, no more.

    Do not confuse the combat use of machines and their commercial success (vyuhivanie all vassals who helped in the development). And their pepelats still requires improvements, and there are enough shortcomings. Russia did everything alone, but we do not need a semi-finished product, and we are not going to attack anyone. We are guided by the principle of sufficiency. Yes, something my instinct tells me that the order will be increased as the assembly line is developed and third-party orders appear. soldier