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Anti-aircraft missile 9M333. The future for the Strela-10 air defense system

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Rocket and TPK at the exhibition


Military air defense arsenals will soon be replenished with new ammunition. The tests of the promising 9M333 anti-aircraft guided missile for the Strela-10 series of complexes have been successfully completed. In addition, serial production of such products has already been launched in the interests of the Russian army.

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The Kalashnikov Concern, which developed this product, reports on the completion of the main work on the 9M333 SAM. On December 24, he published a video with a test launch of a new anti-aircraft missile, and also accompanied it with a short report on the progress made. Full-scale tests of missiles were carried out at the Donguz test site in the Orenburg region. They were successfully completed and the project moves on to the next stage.

The published video shows the firing of the Strela-10MN air defense missile system with a new rocket in the dark. At dusk, the complex with one missile entered a firing position and prepared for launch. After dark, the air defense missile system attacked the training target with the 9M333 product. The preparation and launch were shown from several angles with spectacular cinematic editing.


Preparation for shooting

All the main stages of launching and hitting a target are demonstrated. You can see the guidance of the launcher and the opening of the container, hear the characteristic whistle of the spinning gyroscope, and also watch the launch and flight of the rocket, followed by hitting the target.

Concern "Kalashnikov" announces the successful completion of the tests. It is also noted that the 9M333 SAM has already entered serial production for supplies to the Russian army.

Perspective sample


The 9M333 anti-aircraft missile is designed for all modifications of the Strela-10 complex. This missile is intended to replace the standard 9M37 missile, which was put into service several decades ago along with the basic version of the air defense system. Such modernization should seriously affect the characteristics and capabilities of the complex.


The development of the first version of the 9M333 rocket was carried out back in the eighties, but it was not possible to complete this project and solve all the tasks. In 2018, the Ministry of Defense decided to resume the project and create an improved version of the missile defense system based on modern components. The contractor, represented by Kalashnikov, solved this problem in the shortest possible time and presented the finished rocket for testing.

Product 9M333 outwardly almost does not differ from its predecessor rocket. It is built according to the "weft" scheme in a cylindrical body of high elongation. Several sets of planes are installed outside on the body. As before, the planes do not fold for transportation, which is why the missile defense system needs a TPK of a larger section. Due to the use of new components with improved characteristics, the length of the rocket had to be increased to 2,23 m. The caliber remained the same, 120 mm. The weight increased to 41 kg.

The 9M333 project uses a new seeker and autopilot. GOS is made three-mode. Photocontrast and infrared targeting are retained and improved. A new jamming mode has also been added, which increases the overall combat characteristics and capabilities. The new autopilot is made on a modern element base and ensures reliable operation of the seeker and controls. It is noted that the 9M333 missile defense system with such a composition of equipment implements the "fire-and-forget" principle.


A new solid-fuel engine with improved performance has been developed. With its help, the rocket develops an average speed of 550 m / s. Slant range - 5 km, height reach - 3,5 km. A new warhead weighing 5 kg with a proximity fuse is used to hit targets. For comparison, the 9M37 SAM is equipped with a warhead weighing only 3 kg.

As part of the complex


The new 9M333 SAM is intended to replace the obsolete 9M37 product with lower performance. Like the old rocket, the new one is fully compatible with all modifications of the Strela-10 complex, from the earliest to the latest. The new transport and launch container and the rocket electronics do not require modifying the combat vehicle.

With the introduction of the new SAM, the combat characteristics of the complex as a whole change markedly. Range and altitude remain the same and fully meet the requirements for short-range air defense systems. At the same time, the new homing and autopilot increase the reliability of capture and tracking. Weighted and improved warhead inflicts heavier damage on targets. All this increases the likelihood of hitting the target with the first missile.


Together with the 9M333 missile, the Strela-10 complex is able to effectively deal with various air targets. First of all, these are tactical and army planes and helicopters. aviation... In addition, the defeat of precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles is ensured. First of all, such opportunities are provided by a three-mode seeker.

For military air defense


According to open data, now the Russian armed forces have about 480-500 Strela-10 air defense systems of all basic modifications. The largest fleet of such equipment, approx. 400 units, belongs to the ground forces. 50 air defense systems are available from the coastal forces of the Navy. More than 30 complexes "Strela-10MN" in recent years have entered service with the airborne troops.

All these air defense systems generally meet the requirements and are involved in providing military air defense. However, for now, all Strelam-10s have to use the old 9M37 missiles. This to some extent limits the combat characteristics and effectiveness of the complexes, and also does not allow to fully realize the potential of the air defense system of the latest modification.


The missile hits the target

As reported, the serial production of 9M333 missiles has already begun, and their tests have also been carried out. This means that in the near future, deliveries of serial missiles to the armed forces may begin. Soon after that, the new missiles will be included in the ammunition load of combat systems and will positively affect their combat capabilities.

Modernization issues


In general, the appearance of a new anti-aircraft guided missile for the Strela-10 air defense system is of great importance for the development of military air defense. Over the course of several decades, the ground-based facilities of this complex have been constantly evolving with the receipt of certain capabilities; the last modification went into production just a few years ago. At the same time, the development of missiles actually stopped for many years, and the updated air defense systems still have to use old ammunition.

The first attempt to replace the aging 9M37 missile defense system was made back in the eighties, but did not give the desired results for several reasons. The second launch of the 9M333 project is successfully completed by passing tests and putting it into series, and soon the missile will be put into service.

It should be recalled that in parallel with the 9M333 missile, other products of this class and even full-fledged anti-aircraft systems are being created. They will be adopted only in the future, but for now the army will have to continue to operate the available samples, incl. family "Strela-10". And thanks to the emergence of a new guided missile, such an operation will not face limitations in performance and combat capabilities.
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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 28 December 2020 04: 32
    -6
    In fact, nothing new ... Alas, it has become customary. Ardent greetings to "breakthroughs"!
    1. riwas
      riwas 28 December 2020 04: 45
      0
      Than to patch up the old, it is necessary to promote the new, the same "Pine".
      1. Temples
        Temples 28 December 2020 12: 20
        +10
        And what will this ammunition fight with?
        With such characteristics in the Great Patriotic War it was possible to fight the Nazis.
        We flew low and not very fast.

        But now? request
        5 km shoulder and 3,5 km height is it against whom?

        One gets the impression that this is "competent" use of budget funds.
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 28 December 2020 13: 42
          +6
          5, 3.5 km, 550m / s range, ceiling and muzzle velocity had previous versions - up to M3. If the engine is new, then these parameters could be improved. A booth with a press release should not surprise anyone.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 28 December 2020 13: 44
          +1
          5 km shoulder and 3,5 km height is it against whom?
          against commercial models of drones (plywood RC-Kits), from the club of "crazy hands", bearded men with a grenade tied with a blue tape from the RPG-7 under the body, and that much will depend on the operator's luck and the directness of his playful pens :)) ) Holiday greetings....
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 28 December 2020 14: 00
            +9
            And also against harops, sky strikers and other Wormites.
            By the way, all previous versions of Strel-5 had 3.5 km range and 10 ceiling.
        3. ROSS_51
          ROSS_51 29 December 2020 00: 32
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          5 km shoulder and 3,5 km height is it against whom?

          Yes, some nonsense .. Hellfire has a range of up to 11 km. Moreover, it is lighter and smaller in size.
          We don't talk about UAVs at all - all sorts of Reapers (14 AGM-114, if that) won't get it - again, shoot down cardboard in Syria? Sparrows from a cannon?
          1. psiho117
            psiho117 29 December 2020 10: 49
            +1
            Quote: ROSS_51
            Hellfire has a range of up to 11 km

            Well Duc air start.
        4. sivuch
          sivuch 29 December 2020 10: 56
          +1
          5 km shoulder and 3,5 km height is it against whom?
          First of all - don't come near, I'll kill you! The second is ambush tactics. The third - loitering type of the same harop.
          But in general . of course, it's just better than nothing, until new products appear
      2. venik
        venik 28 December 2020 15: 44
        +4
        Quote: riwas
        Than to patch up the old, it is necessary to promote the new, the same "Pine".

        ========
        "Pine" will not go into the series. The "Poultry" is being developed in versions for the Airborne Forces (on the BMD-4 chassis) and the SV (on the BMP-5 chassis). The main difference from the base "Sosna" is not only the chassis, but a higher level of automation (including the OLS of all-round view), which should improve autonomous operation (without external target designation) and an improved opto-electronic guidance system. There were rumors about an increase in the range and reach in height of the missiles themselves, but this is ambiguous and even doubtful ...
        Second: the article has already said that new air defense systems will begin to enter the troops no earlier than 2022. Question WHAT to do today? In addition, in the troops before half a thousand "Strel-10" WHERE to put them then? In the trash?
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 28 December 2020 19: 36
          +1
          Quote: venik
          "Pine" will not go into series.

          Maybe I missed something.
          MOSCOW, June 24. / TASS /. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has decided to purchase the latest Sosna anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) to replace the early modifications of the Strela-10 complex.

          This decision was made in 2019.
          https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6583398 hi
          1. venik
            venik 29 December 2020 19: 55
            0
            Quote: kapitan92
            Maybe I missed something.

            =======
            Certainly! Something LOST! request
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 29 December 2020 19: 04
          0
          Is this Pine not going to series?
          1. venik
            venik 29 December 2020 20: 01
            +1
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Is this Pine not going to series?

            =======
            IN THIS Variant - Surely WILL NOT WORK!
            It will be SUCH:

            AND SUCH:

            Alas! request
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 29 December 2020 20: 24
              0
              And how do they differ, only the chassis?
              1. venik
                venik 29 December 2020 20: 28
                0
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                And how do they differ, only the chassis?

                ========
                Posted ABOVE!
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 15 February 2021 13: 37
          -1
          Quote: venik
          Quote: riwas
          Than to patch up the old, it is necessary to promote the new, the same "Pine".

          ========
          "Pine" will not go into the series. The "Poultry" is being developed in versions for the Airborne Forces (on the BMD-4 chassis) and the SV (on the BMP-5 chassis). The main difference from the base "Sosna" is not only the chassis, but a higher level of automation (including the OLS of all-round view), which should improve autonomous operation (without external target designation) and an improved opto-electronic guidance system. There were rumors about an increase in the range and reach in height of the missiles themselves, but this is ambiguous and even doubtful ...
          Second: the article has already said that new air defense systems will begin to enter the troops no earlier than 2022. Question WHAT to do today? In addition, in the troops before half a thousand "Strel-10" WHERE to put them then? In the trash?

          So yes. Or will you exploit them until they rot? The war in Karabakh showed the price of this rubbish
          1. venik
            venik 15 February 2021 15: 43
            0
            Quote: Pilat2009
            So yes. Or will you exploit them until they rot? The war in Karabakh showed the price of this rubbish

            ========
            The war in Karabakh showed nothing but the colossal advantage of Azerbaijan in technology, armaments и tactics (against the background of the backwardness of the Artsakh army and of Armenia too!) and the increased role of high-precision weapons ... request
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 16 February 2021 10: 15
              -1
              Quote: venik
              Quote: Pilat2009
              So yes. Or will you exploit them until they rot? The war in Karabakh showed the price of this rubbish

              ========
              The war in Karabakh showed nothing but the colossal advantage of Azerbaijan in technology, armaments и tactics (against the background of the backwardness of the Artsakh army and of Armenia too!) and the increased role of high-precision weapons ... request

              Well, other conflicts will show the backwardness of arrows and other rubbish. As shown by the wars of Israel with Syria and Egypt, when the latest air defense systems were destroyed by missiles with TV guidance. Air defense is considered reliable until it is taken seriously.
              1. venik
                venik 16 February 2021 14: 56
                -1
                Quote: Pilat2009
                as shown by Israel's wars with Syria and Egypt, when the newest air defense systems were destroyed by TV-guided missiles. Air defense is considered reliable as long as will not be taken seriously

                ==========
                YOURSELF THOUGHT, WHAT wrote? lol
                And now - THINK a little (preferably - HEAD):
                It turns out that both S-400 and S-350 and Buki and Torah and Armor and Strela and Willow and Patriots with Avengers and running and running (air defense systems, regardless of the country of origin safely are destroyed by "tele-guided missiles"? belay
                И ANYONE Air defense "... is considered reliable as long as will not be taken seriously "... "(Just 'discovering America' .... Just a GENIUS thought! sad

                But where does Strela-10 have to do with it? AND WHAT is she more vulnerable above the listed systems? what

                PS Before speaking (Sorry - write!) - it is better to think a little!
      3. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 17: 48
        0
        well, as if the author wrote that new systems are being made, just until they are bought enough, 10-15 years will pass, and the troops need to be provided with something ... and the missiles are riveted much faster than new air defense systems
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 December 2020 19: 25
          -1
          Alas, Arrow 10 has long become outdated physically and morally in modern warfare, it is not a tenant and is absolutely useless since no one will fly into its zone of destruction - for this, there are planning mini bombs like GBU 39, like Helfair and JAGM, as well as shock drones and kamikaze drones - this new IR seeker for the rocket simply will not see them. The best option is a deep modernization of the Tunguska M1, and the modernized Arrow 10 is only suitable for export to African and Latin American countries.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 December 2020 19: 33
            0
            Even if we take all the conflicts since 2000, many planes and missiles were shot down with 10 Arrows.
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 29 December 2020 11: 07
              +1
              As a souvenir - in 2003, the A-10 was damaged in the Iraqi region. In 91, several were shot down.
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 28 December 2020 19: 53
            -3
            Therefore, it is proposed to use echeloned air defense .. The arrow is a melee weapon already .. Soon on the way Derivation for especially small targets and Pantsir-SM, But it takes time. And leaving 500 air defense systems without the ability to work is at least stupid
            1. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 29 December 2020 00: 37
              0
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              The arrow is a melee weapon already ..

              Well, as if Iraq has already shown that close combat for aviation has long been> 6-8 km.
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 29 December 2020 10: 56
                -3
                because the Iraqis made the same mistake as the Armenians, they put a short-range air defense system and believed that they closed the sky. Moreover, they pinched the Americans a little .. and in fact the air defense should be SYSTEM, i.e. there should also be Buki and S-300/400
            2. psiho117
              psiho117 29 December 2020 10: 51
              +1
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              Coming Soon Derivation

              Yes, you, my friend, are an optimist! There "soon" was not lying around.
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 29 December 2020 10: 59
                -3
                "soon" is 2-3 years before the first delivery to the troops .. taking into account the fact that in most countries similar developments are reduced to "we can then put remote detonation on a 30-35 mm cannon". this is very good .. better Let an extra year, another tinker, but they will give a ready-made solution .. And to combat kamikaze drones and mini-drones, "soft power" is needed. Microwave and lasers. The Rus complex was shown at the exhibition. It would be nice to introduce its elements and put it on the same tanks, for starters on command vehicles ... yes, and there is a suspicion that they will be able to drop smart ATGMs
                1. psiho117
                  psiho117 29 December 2020 11: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  2-3 years before the first delivery to the troops

                  just about, an optimist, as it is - an optimist wassat
                  There, before military trials, you still have to work and work, and even before supplies to the troops ...
                  And consider "supplies to the troops" 5-6 units. which then 7 years will finish up to version 2.0 - I refuse, you will excuse me.
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 29 December 2020 12: 53
                    -3
                    your right. let's see what happens hi
          3. sivuch
            sivuch 29 December 2020 11: 05
            +1
            Firstly, 9M333 has an FC channel and targets the size of a harop, though with a squeak, they can see.
            Secondly, you can always make an ASP with a range greater than that of a SAM. But it is not always possible to use it from the maximum range.
            Of course, a solution based on the principle Better this way than nothing at all.
    2. iouris
      iouris 28 December 2020 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: lexus
      Essentially nothing new ...

      The range should be at least 20 km, if not more. And why did they increase the warhead from 3 kg to 5 kg? What will this affect? In essence, they are promoting a useless system. (Value judgment).
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 28 December 2020 11: 29
        +3
        At ranges of 20 km and beyond, the Buk air defense system should operate.
      2. loki565
        loki565 28 December 2020 12: 26
        +4
        They all hope that some kind of attack aircraft with NURS will fly out to them and then we will show them))) Although it was developed for this, the Su25, Mi24 will be shot down, and the small UAV simply will not find it, it barely distinguishes the Mi8 from 5 km )))
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 28 December 2020 13: 35
          +2
          and a small UAV simply won't find it, it barely distinguishes the Mi8 from 5 km)))
          But this is quite controversial. The seeker should be at least no worse than the Verba, otherwise there is no point in a new rocket.
          What kind of small UAV is it - if a micro one that flies into the window, then certainly, and if it's a larger one, at least with a HAROP - it's hard to say.
          For older arrows (M3) they write this - The estimated capture range of the seeker missile defense system of the mini-UAV type "Akila" by the photocontrast channel (FC) for similar reasons will be low and amount to 2,8-3,5 km, and target acquisition via the IR channel generally impossible because of her
          extremely low heat radiation
          Results of combat launches against targets - analogs of small-sized air
          targets showed that the firing of the Strela-10SV and Strela-10M air defense systems is provided in the FC range, mainly in pursuit, and on the head-on course - in a limited
          parts of the launch area. The missile launch ranges for these complexes were
          average 1,5-2 km [30, 31].
          https://sccs.intelgr.com/archive/2020-01/06-Makarenko.pdf
          1. loki565
            loki565 28 December 2020 14: 03
            0
            The question is in target detection, there is a video on YouTube (now it's too lazy to search) there were demonstrated the capabilities of the complex (and modernized) for target detection and tracking. So the Mi8 with 5 km was a blurred point of a couple of pixels and was found only because the operator knew when, from where and at what altitude he would fly. At a distance of 3-4 km, the contours of the helicopter and the rotating propeller were outlined. From here, the UAV withdrawal will detect the complex much earlier than that of it.
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 28 December 2020 14: 06
              +1
              Are you sure you should judge your detection capabilities by YouTube?
              1. loki565
                loki565 28 December 2020 14: 26
                +2
                There it was clearly demonstrated, most likely to a foreign customer because the translator worked. As they say, it's better to see once than read a hundred times in a brochure of performance characteristics)))
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 28 December 2020 14: 29
                  +1
                  Far from being a fact. So, if you post a link, it will be very nice.
                  1. loki565
                    loki565 28 December 2020 14: 43
                    0
                    Search YouTube for Modernized Strela-10 tests there should be 3 parts
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 29 December 2020 15: 05
                      0
                      Are these tests in Yeisk in 2005? I didn't even look further.
              2. Rudkovsky
                Rudkovsky 28 December 2020 20: 13
                0
                And what are the possibilities of a complex with optical guidance? Or are you purely hoping for magic?
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 29 December 2020 11: 09
                  0
                  And what are the possibilities of a complex with optical guidance? Or are you purely hoping for magic?
                  Well yes . The Iraqis shot down 2 A-10s in one day with purely combat magic. And a few more were damaged.
    3. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 28 December 2020 12: 33
      -3
      Yeah, nothing new, for you, as I understand it, all women are the same, because everyone has two arms and two legs with a head and a torso, did I understand correctly? The whole point of a rocket is in its ability to shoot down a target, and not go into a trap or even lose it.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 28 December 2020 14: 23
      -1
      Quote: lexus
      Alas, it has become familiar. Ardent greetings to "breakers"!

      and what, personally, with your breakthroughs?
      I read your comments, you are always not happy with everything .... are you happy with yourself?
    5. Mister X
      Mister X 28 December 2020 19: 58
      +6
      hi
      I will post a video with your permission
  2. Toucan
    Toucan 28 December 2020 04: 40
    +23
    There is a lot of water in the article. The same could be stated in a publication that is half the size.
    1. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 05: 12
      +3
      Custom material written for the marketing department, not for us.
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 28 December 2020 13: 27
      +6
      Quote: Tucan
      There is a lot of water in the article. The same could be stated in a publication that is half the size.

      Exactly. And after watching the video, I had an irresistible desire to burn at the stake the one who did the editing. Until the rocket hit the target, an eternity of launches passed. At the end of the video, I already doubted that such an unsuccessful start (miss) was disguised.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 28 December 2020 05: 19
    +4
    Interestingly, it is possible to install an Strela-10 launcher on a Patriot or Nissan SUV? what
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 28 December 2020 06: 01
      +9
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Interestingly, it is possible to install an Strela-10 launcher on a Patriot or Nissan SUV? what

      No. No. The mass of the TPK with missiles, the dimensions and dimensions of the guidance device drive, the radio range finder, and the optoelectronic sighting and search system will not allow this.
      1. loki565
        loki565 28 December 2020 12: 13
        0
        1-2 missiles, it is quite possible, if their principle is fired and forgotten, the question is only in target detection, and for this the French systems are quite suitable, they are quite compact and they have already been tested in Yemen
        1. Toucan
          Toucan 28 December 2020 13: 09
          +3
          The main advantage of the Strela-10 air defense system over MANPADS is in the mass of warheads and the presence of a radio range finder and passive radio equipment on the combat vehicle for detecting operating aircraft systems, such as an airborne radar and a radio altimeter. It is not realistic to put all this economy on a jeep. In addition, the SAMs in the TPK are too heavy, their muscular strength of the shooter cannot be aimed, and the exhaust of a working jet engine is dangerous for undisguised manpower. In general, there is absolutely no point in bothering with Strela-10 missiles on other machines. No.
  4. Snail N9
    Snail N9 28 December 2020 05: 25
    -1
    The range and height of the defeat remained the same - that is, "none" by today's standards, plus there was one more drawback - a bulky container and a small number of ammunition missiles. "Bayraktars" laugh.
    1. KCA
      KCA 28 December 2020 06: 33
      +8
      Of course, "no" Arrow complex, there are no other drones except TB2 and absolutely all helicopters are equipped with the latest AGM-114 modifications, and the terrain is everywhere, absolutely flat, like on a hockey rink, from 30 kilometers the tanks noticed , with 10 confidently struck
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 28 December 2020 14: 03
      +1
      Have you heard about other UAVs (and, in general, other targets)?
  5. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 28 December 2020 05: 27
    +7
    characteristic whistle of a spinning gyroscope
    Poke my nose if I'm wrong, but 30 years ago there were some "laser gyroscopes", and now there are MEMS gyroscopes, do they whistle when spinning, or not?
    1. armannu
      armannu 28 December 2020 05: 43
      +6
      Rocket laser roads, MEMS are not accurate.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 28 December 2020 05: 57
        +7
        Quote: armannu
        Rocket laser roads

        Yes? Isn't laser optics and microelectronics cheaper than precision mechanics, at least now?
        1. armannu
          armannu 28 December 2020 06: 02
          +6
          The laser gyroscope is precise mechanics, I've never heard of cheap ones.
          MEMS are not expensive.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 28 December 2020 06: 08
            +5
            But isn't the electromechanical gyroscope precision mechanics? And I know for sure that you don't need to spin the laser gyroscope, and it doesn't need a gimbal (or something like that).
        2. iouris
          iouris 28 December 2020 13: 41
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          isn't laser optics and microelectronics cheaper than precision mechanics, at least for now?

          Cheaper if you have invested in science and technology, you have a high market share. And if your state dissolves itself every half century and distributes its scientists, specialists and resources free of charge, everything that has been accumulated by the hard work of previous generations, then it turns out to be very expensive or impossible. And they treat you like a girl with reduced social responsibility.
    2. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 28 December 2020 05: 57
      +4
      There is a ruble-sized gyroscopic module lying around at home, in principle it works out well, but they also need a rotating one.
      This rocket has long been outdated, with its range you can only shoot corn workers, even for a bytracker there is not enough range and height, and the dimensions are like those of a heavyweight.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 28 December 2020 11: 20
        +6
        Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
        There is a ruble-sized gyroscopic module lying around at home, in principle it works out well, but they also need a rotating one.

        Nowadays, a lot of cameras have optical stabilization, but this does not mean that such stabilizers are also suitable for missiles. The level of errors is different.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 28 December 2020 13: 49
      +2
      MEMS gyroscopes
      one of their types: micromechanical tuning forks, generally soundless like a grave, by the way they are confidently used in different types of SINS!
      1. armannu
        armannu 28 December 2020 14: 44
        0
        There are, yes ...
        But mostly they are used when GPS is lost, not very accurate ...
        Maybe they didn't fit the dynamic range ...
  6. garri-lin
    garri-lin 28 December 2020 07: 28
    +6
    Essentially wasted money. It would be cheaper to fasten Verba with electrical tape. TTX is comparable. Is that the size of the warhead at Verba is smaller. It will do for export to banana republics. For myself, definitely not. Moreover, a new generation is on the way. A modernization with missiles with a slant range of 15-18 km was adequate. Radio correction on the march, plus the same GOS on the final one. Such an upgrade would make sense.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 28 December 2020 11: 27
      +4
      Of course, "it's better to be rich and healthy ...."
      The combat units now have about 500 launchers with ancient 9M37 missiles. The Strela-10 air defense missile system has been mastered by personnel, and reservists have been trained for it long ago. There is no money to take and replace all the Strela-10 air defense systems at once with the new Luchnik / Gibku-S, Pine / Poultry missile systems; missiles 9M333 from the mid 80s of the last century. For the fight against aircraft using NURS and free-fall "dumb" bombs will still work. Only potential adversaries use such weapons less and less, and after the suppression of air defense systems with high-precision weapons.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 28 December 2020 12: 15
        +4
        The rocket is inferior in its parameters to Verba. It would be better if 333 were restored in production and Verba was adapted to the PU. One fig head on the 333rd is complex, multispectral and therefore not cheap. And the only advantages are that the Warthog is hit with an Arrow when hitting 100 percent, and Verboy can simply be damaged. The rocket is from the 80s. It would be more logical to halve the warhead and add fuel due to this weight. Improve the composition of the fuel. The range and altitude, if not 2 times, but close to this increase. It would be relevant. And it's not a pity to waste a good head on such a rocket.
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 28 December 2020 12: 44
          +3
          I think that the range of 9M333 is determined not by the power of the propulsion system, but by the target acquisition range of the seeker, i.e. to increase the range, you first need to implement the ability to lock the target in flight on the rocket.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 28 December 2020 15: 55
            +2
            And primitive radio correction at the initial stage of the flight.
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 29 December 2020 11: 12
          +2
          Did you not think that it was possible, and did it? The rocket is bigger, the engine is new, the electronics have become smaller and lighter in half a century - why not?
          But radio correction - according to Sukhov (this is hardly)
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 29 December 2020 14: 36
            0
            I see no information about the 333M missile or about the upgrade. I see information about the production of the old 333 rocket and the firing it carried out.
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 29 December 2020 14: 40
              +1
              It is also possible - perhaps with import substitution.
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 30 December 2020 10: 34
              +1
              There was a mention in soldering.ru -
              Army: Air defense: Anti-aircraft missile ...
              http://www.soldiering.ru › russia › anti-aircraft_complex
              Feature, Index. 9M37M, 9M333, 9M37MD (modernization of 9M37M), 9M333M. Launch weight, kg, 39, 41, 41, 41. GOS type, Optical with two
              But now the site itself is like a cow licked its tongue
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 30 December 2020 10: 38
                0
                In general, information about 333M slipped through. But alas, just creep up. And it is not clear how exactly it differed from the original.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 28 December 2020 13: 53
      +3
      It would be cheaper to fasten Verba with electrical tape.
      could not find the color, you can see ... :)
      Radio correction on the march, plus the same GOS on the final one. Such an upgrade would make sense.
      if the radio correction, then it will not be sweet to the calculation, he will direct everything to himself, target designation is not even needed ... :)
      And the GOS, here you already need to have your own optics and matrices with additional components, plus brains and software, and few people now sell it to us, even the Asian friends of Tsar V., because sanctions and all that, but we ourselves must sculpt everything at the world level, well. ..years, in xxxcy maybe ...
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 28 December 2020 16: 02
        +1
        Will guide you how? To myself? Sending control signals to the rocket where to turn? A couple of seconds per shot? And the GOS there is already quite good. It is unclear whether targets can be captured in flight or not. If it can, then just do it lovely. GOS is certainly not tomorrow. But for sure today. Are you kidding me about the color of the tape? Insulating tape like Ford T can only be of one color.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 28 December 2020 17: 58
          +1
          Are you kidding me about the color of the tape? Insulating tape like Ford T can only be of one color.
          but yak, bro! :))) Happy New Year, all the best and health ... :)))
          And the GOS there is already quite good.
          if good, then ok ... and if old, then bad ...
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 28 December 2020 18: 00
          +1
          Will guide you how? To myself?
          I meant the detection of the launch complex, by the enemy's RTR, by the radiation of radio correction ...
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 28 December 2020 18: 58
            0
            Radio correction will work for seconds. And then if the target begins to maneuver during the missile flight.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 28 December 2020 19: 53
              +1
              Radio correction will work seconds
              , that's just for the electronic reconnaissance complex, just on the UAV, this second is enough for the eyes to aim with the EOS eye, and give target designation further ...
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 29 December 2020 01: 09
                0
                What's next?
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 30 December 2020 11: 31
                  0
                  What's next?

                  And then, already big brothers - airborne missile launchers, all sorts of KAB and UAB, will work on the target, from medium and long distances, or the ACS will crush with correction in an emergency, or the MLRS will cover the area!
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 30 December 2020 20: 13
                    0
                    By the coordinates on which was the installation at the time of the launch of the rocket? Enter the zone of action of the Elder Battles of the Arrow to launch the KAB at the coordinates? Reveal the position of ACS or MLRS to strike on coordinates? To work on them counter-batteries? But the most paradoxical. A rocket launch from an Arrow will remain unnoticed for all of the above. And the correction signal will be noticed. The logic is of course near-zero.
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 30 December 2020 11: 18
                +1
                And only spoil the air. On the UAV, I somehow do not remember the truly effective BKO
  7. quaric
    quaric 28 December 2020 08: 31
    +7
    The author missed that "The missile has a new GOS with three receivers in different spectral ranges: photocontrast, infrared (thermal) and jamming with digital-logical target selection against the background of optical interference based on spectral and trajectory features, which significantly increased the noise immunity of the complex."
    1. Kara
      Kara 28 December 2020 11: 41
      +11
      Quote: quaric
      The author missed that "The rocket has a new GOS with three receivers in different spectral ranges

      No, he seemed to say:
      GOS is made three-mode. Photocontrast and infrared targeting are retained and improved. A new jamming mode has also been added, which increases the overall combat characteristics and capabilities. The new autopilot is made on a modern element base and ensures reliable operation of the seeker and controls. It is noted that the 9M333 missile defense system with this composition of equipment implements the "fire-and-forget" principle
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 28 December 2020 13: 55
      +2
      The missile has a new GOS with three receivers in different spectral ranges: photocontrast, infrared (thermal) and jamming with digital logical target selection against a background of optical interference based on spectral and trajectory features, which significantly increased the noise immunity of the complex. "
      , but she is very "narrow-eyed", sorry - gyroscopic narrow-field, and if the target is small and maneuverable, and even against the background of clouds, the Sun, etc.! ???
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 08: 49
    +9
    Mdaaaaa ....! The situation ... "damn it, and a bow on the side"! At first I thought they were reporting a modernized 9M333; that is, 9M333M! "I figured" that once they were modernized, they mentioned a more powerful engine, then, probably, the range increased, somewhere, up to 8 km ... and the "altitude" up to 5 km .... But, it turns out, "a fig with two and more "! It turns out that the same 9M333, which is mentioned in the rocket encyclopedia for 2002, is known for a long time! On the Internet, you can find articles describing the "Strela-10M ..." air defense system and its ammunition load, which also includes 9M333! It turns out that they "included" a zur, which was not there! "Klava, I'm lying around!" PS Why not equip the Strela-10M air defense system ... with the Igla-S zuras (n.a. = 3,5 km; d.v. = 6 km) or Verba (n.a. = 6,4 , 4,5 km; d.v. = XNUMX km)?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 28 December 2020 10: 31
      +10
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      It turns out that they "included" a zur in the ammunition load, which was not there!

      Alas, this is far from the first such case (we recall the epic with a long-range missile defense system for the S-400, and this is just what is heard). And, even more alas, unfortunately not the last one. We love to write victorious releases. And then not at all embarrassed to pass off the development of 30 years ago as the latest technology
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 29 December 2020 10: 09
        0
        And then not at all hesitating to pass off the development of 30 years ago as the latest technology
        well ..., so there is no other, but like: "what we have, we have ..." :)
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 28 December 2020 11: 33
      +2
      For the use of MANPADS, it is necessary to modify the Strela-10 air defense system. Although the modifications are minimal and they can most likely be carried out at repair bases directly in the troops, but all the same, this requires money, time and retraining of calculations. And there is no big sense in installing MANPADS on the Motolyga, a separate dismounted fighter with MANPADS will be more stable in modern combat than a specialized unit of armored vehicles. And the calculation of MANPADS can be transported on any suitable equipment: armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, car, pack animal ...
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 11: 56
        +4
        Quote: Cympak
        there is no big sense in installing MANPADS on the Motolyga,

        But what about the "simple anti-aircraft missile systems" such as "Strelets", "Archer", "Avenger" ...? And even "a few pieces" can be counted all over the world ... In addition, the "motorcycle league" can be equipped with an OES, including a thermal imager, a laser rangefinder ... a microwave radar, a ballistic computer tied to a network-centric "field" ... And on the arrow -An anti-aircraft gunner, a computer or a radar cannot be crammed!
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 28 December 2020 12: 19
          +3
          A motorcycle league can land a couple of fighters with MANPADS in the field and take the plzizia itself. And from your radar or ECO to those fighters to transmit data for firing. It is much more difficult to dodge several missiles fired from different points at the same time. And there will be enough space in the motorcycle for those soldiers and their BC.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 12: 39
            +3
            But where are so many anti-aircraft gunners to recruit, if they constantly write that the birth rate in the country is falling? request It is necessary to save (!) ... and anti-aircraft gunners, and tankers, and even infantrymen! yes "Strela-10" (platform ... motorcycle league ...) will cope with the "salvo" firing itself! What? If even in an even simpler installation "Dzhigit" the mode of launching the zur "doublet" is implemented!
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 28 December 2020 15: 07
              0
              In a big war, you can plant militias. The qualifications are not high, but under competent leadership, the efficiency will be at the level.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 15: 46
                +5
                Quote: garri-lin
                In a big war, you can plant militias. The qualifications are not high, but under competent leadership, the efficiency will be at the level.

                But where are we to dream of a "big war" !? Not to fat! We would now decide whether the RF Armed Forces would have split Azerbaijan in Karabakh (in which case ...), or not!? Confidence will depend on this definition in a worthy rebuff in the "big war"! And about the qualifications and leadership ... over there the Armenians hoped for a "militia under the leadership" ... and it helped them a lot ... and the militia, and the leadership!? In a large-scale war and The anti-aircraft gunner will have no time to cook!
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 28 December 2020 15: 57
                  +4
                  The Armenians are a great example of how brave young men under the careless leadership perished instead of learning from their own mistakes.
          2. Cympak
            Cympak 28 December 2020 12: 45
            +2
            A motorcycle league can land a couple of fighters with MANPADS in the field and take the plzizia itself. And from your radar or ECO to those fighters to transmit data for firing. It is much more difficult to dodge several missiles fired from different points at the same time. And there will be enough space in the motorcycle for those soldiers and their BC.

            Here I am about the same
        2. Cympak
          Cympak 28 December 2020 12: 48
          +1
          In addition, the "motorcycle league" can be equipped with an OES, which includes a thermal imager, a laser rangefinder ... a microwave radar, a ballistic computer tied to a network-centric "field" ..

          Only this will no longer be the Strela-10M air defense system and will cost completely different money.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 15: 30
            +4
            Quote: Cympak
            Only this will no longer be the Strela-10M air defense system and will cost completely different money.

            Gospidya! So what? If you want to leave everything as it is, and even not invest a single ruble, then why talk about any modernization at all? fool There was a "Strela-10" air defense missile system ... "We reached the" Strela-10M4 "air defense system! Do you think that these modifications were obtained for free? And there was also a" Gyurza "air defense system - the modernized" Strela-10M4 "! Shilki "! We were not too lazy and did not regret to supply MANPADS, OES, and a new radar to" Shilka "....! It all depends on what the customer wants to get and how much to invest for this! Is it "Strela-10M ..." or will it not be !? Moreover, they still put the OES on the "Strela ..." If the complexes are tied to a single information network, then the radar, for example, will not have to be installed ... with the help of a modernized radio direction finder, the complex will see targets as if it had its own radar, while remaining "radio invisible"!
        3. Intruder
          Intruder 29 December 2020 10: 13
          0
          In addition, the "motorcycle league" can be equipped with an OES, which includes a thermal imager, a laser rangefinder ... a microwave radar, a ballistic computer tied to a network-centric "field" ..
          Then the price of this MTLB will be like that of a 5+ generation fighter, it will also have a stealth coating and an autopilot with AI and you can carry all kinds of things to exhibitions .., as if these "stupid" ones have no analogues, they will be a Rosoboronexport star! :)
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 28 December 2020 13: 58
      +2
      "Verba" (n.d. = 6,4 km; d.v. = 4,5 km)?
      to see it is expensive, everything is in the economy and rested, with a rate of over 100 perpetual oak, probably on 9M333, funding - they will find fick ... although we will never know why in reality !!!
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 22: 38
        +1
        Expensive? What, in the end, is more expensive? "Verba", which can be applied, "anywhere and in any way" and it is produced (!) ... and there is interest from foreign buyers! Or 9M333, which can only be used in the Strela-10 air defense system ... "... outdated complexes and it is necessary to produce it from scratch?
    4. sivuch
      sivuch 28 December 2020 14: 44
      +5
      Why not equip the Strela-10M air defense system ... with the Igla-S zuras
      because it is the Archer.
      Actually, there is a lot of incomprehensible here. the 9M333 rocket was indeed launched into production, and in the harsh 90s. Either this is just the same rocket with possible import substitution, or something new and the performance characteristics do not correspond (they were clearly taken from the old versions)
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 December 2020 22: 52
        0
        Quote: sivuch
        Why not equip the Strela-10M air defense system ... with the Igla-S zuras
        because it is the Archer.

        Mil cholovik! And what? There was "Sagittarius" ... there was "Archer" ... maybe some kind of "Crossbow" may still appear! Did this interfere with someone? request By the way, for arming "horsemen, riflemen, archers", helicopters, an 80-mm rocket, created on the basis of "Needle-S" or "Willow", would be suitable ... improve performance! (For example, the Japanese and South Koreans have MANPADS with 80 mm zuras ... the Koreans, by the way, made their own 80-mm MANPADS based on the 72,5-mm Igla-1!)
    5. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 28 December 2020 21: 06
      +1
      This is normal. Taking into account the modernization of the BMP-1. I think we will soon begin to modernize the three-line system and the Maxim machine gun. And what to put a picatinny bar on a fashionable aluminum casing, since Deripaska does not know what to do with this aluminum and voila, the enemy is in awe of Russian weapons! If you want drones, you want an infantry foe, you want an aircraft carrier at sea, since they are now all cardboard (Admiral Kaptsov looks at Gerald R. Ford with contempt).
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 29 December 2020 10: 07
        +2
        I think we will soon begin to modernize the three-line system and the Maxim machine gun.
        :) a catapult or ballista, with GLONASS and an inertial, a stone or an arrow with a cruise accelerator and a fragmentation warhead in a compartment, and what an aeroballistic projectile, with a modernized potential, which has no analogues in the world, at the ARMY 2021 exhibition :)))
  9. Grey_k
    Grey_k 28 December 2020 08: 55
    +16
    He served on Strela-10 ... 12 launches at ranges. 2004-2006 year. I believe that at present these complexes are outdated, since it is possible to work only with external target designation. At the Kapustin Yar training ground, they practiced the search and tracking of aircraft, and so, they could find a target only by target designation from Tungusok, since the PPRU did not work.And without it it is very difficult ... And when in the radio you hear, for example, an azimuth of such and such, an altitude of 1500, a range of 4000m, then the direction is much easier, but all the same, everything should be automated, with minimal crew participation. In a real battle, we would have been removed from several tens of kilometers long ago. On the rocket ... even the old rockets are not bad, they put the 1978 rockets, all the contacts are rusty, they were cleaned with coarse emery, rubbed with alcohol and attached to the guides with very great effort. All hit the target with a direct hit. 1 out of 12 burned out in the installation, did not come off. the second 800 meters flew by, went out and fell like a log in the steppe (remember, 1978) Compared to the needle. an arrow rocket is much more predatory and works more powerful. At the needle, like a firecracker, it pisses and dangles when moving where in vain. The arrow goes straight to the target. He fired in both photocontrast and infrared modes. As for interference, I won't say that there were no imitators with jamming, even simple heat traps.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 29 December 2020 09: 38
      0
      Let me be curious about this moment. The range of 5 km and the height of 3,5 km is the maximum at which the Strela-10 air defense system can hit the target, or can these parameters change upwards depending on the target's speed and direction of movement? For example, is it possible to shoot down a balloon or a hovering helicopter which is motionless at a distance of 6 kilometers and an altitude of 300 meters. Unless, of course, this is secret information.
    2. Tcheluskin
      Tcheluskin 29 December 2020 23: 41
      0
      He served on Strela ... 2004-2006 ... the complexes are outdated, since you can only work with external target designation.

      Since 2014, they have been modernized and supplied to the Strela-10M4 troops, in which automatic target search is implemented. http://bastion-karpenko.ru/strela-10m4/

      In the magazine "Army Collection" No. 1 of 2002, there is also a mention of a certain missile "9M333M" with a 7 km kill zone and an altitude of up to 6 km. But it is unclear whether this is a real development, or some kind of estimates ... http://web.archive.org/web/20200129080955/http://www.soldiering.ru/army/airdefence/russia/anti-aircraft_complex.php
  10. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 28 December 2020 09: 24
    -7
    A new rocket - consider that they received a new air defense system, while very budgetary. Well done!
    Only a couple of moments are confusing.
    Regarding the stabilizers and TPK. Couldn't it be made folding to reduce the size of the container and increase the ammunition?
    And the height of the defeat is too small - there, the "Verba" took out a hohlyatsky litak for 7 km, and here it is half as much.
    1. lucul
      lucul 28 December 2020 12: 18
      -8
      And the height of the defeat is too small - there, the "Verba" took out a hohlyatsky litak for 7 km, and here it is half as much.

      Here is what the whole tsimes is - they installed a new engine, which means that the flight range and reach in height should have increased. What should be done to prevent this from happening (sabotage)? That's right - we increase the weight of explosives from 3kg to 5kg (why bother !!!?) And voila - we will level all the advantages of the new engine and the flight range remains exactly the same))) Tell me, that for Arrow 10 it was more important - the range of the rocket or the amount of explosives in it? ))))
      Let me remind you that such sabotage was also with the T-34, a great tank, but a flawed air filter nullified all its advantages in terms of cruising range. Almost 100 years have passed, and the enemies, as they felt at ease in our troops, feel the same
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 28 December 2020 12: 53
        +4
        The seeker of the missile is most likely unable to capture the target at a longer range, that's all the "sabotage".
        1. lucul
          lucul 28 December 2020 12: 57
          -7
          The seeker of the missile is most likely unable to capture the target at a longer range, that's all the "sabotage".

          Put the GOS "more detailed", no? )))
          Or logic like that of the tsar, when he was shown the first machine gun - they say we’re going to break up on cartridges? )))
          1. Toucan
            Toucan 28 December 2020 13: 19
            +4
            Put the GOS "more detailed", no? )))
            No No.
            There is no GOS "more subtle", it happens - more sensitive. But here it is necessary to maintain a balance between sensitivity and noise immunity. An overly sensitive seeker will be easily susceptible to interference. In general, approximately 7 km is the ceiling for the IR GOS SAM at low altitude, where the transparency of the atmosphere leaves much to be desired.
          2. Cympak
            Cympak 28 December 2020 13: 40
            +3
            If they could, then of course they would have delivered .... Probably, it would be possible to cooperate with the manufacturer of short-range B-B IR missiles. But in this case:
            1. It is easier to put the ready-made RVV-MD at once (possibly with an increased solid propellant motor)
            2. It will be necessary to significantly modify the Strela-10 air defense system, in fact, it will be a completely different complex and for much more money
            3. Military-industrial feudalism has not yet been abolished in our country.
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 28 December 2020 15: 45
          0
          Quote: Cympak
          The seeker of the missile is most likely unable to capture the target at a longer range, that's all the "sabotage".

          The GOS is also new.
          It would seem that the outdated photocontrast principle, and, you see, drones with low-power piston engines, which have no IR signature, have again become relevant.
          There would also be a UV channel for selection against the background of traps.
          1. Rudkovsky
            Rudkovsky 28 December 2020 20: 41
            0
            Where is it new? The rocket is an old Soviet era, the value of the complex, what's with it and what's without it is zero, purely a target for a drone with a crew that, with any noise, will scatter in all directions.
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 29 December 2020 11: 19
        +1
        I'm not sure that the extra length and the new engine "went" only to increase the GOS. This is already transcendental insanity
  11. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 28 December 2020 09: 32
    +1
    Replaced the head and the autopilot - already good.
    But the new engine is already there, from the same Verba. Why not put it too? Is it really that much more expensive?
    Some kind of half-hearted solution.
  12. Grey_k
    Grey_k 28 December 2020 09: 34
    +5
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Replaced the head and the autopilot - already good.
    But the new engine is already there, from the same Verba. Why not put it too? Is it really that much more expensive?
    Some kind of half-hearted solution.

    The Arrow 10 rocket is much larger than the Verba rocket. The pussy willow engine is too small
    1. agond
      agond 28 December 2020 10: 35
      +4
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      A new rocket - consider that they received a new air defense system, while very budgetary. Well done!
      Only a couple of moments are confusing.
      Regarding the stabilizers and TPK. Couldn't it be made folding to reduce the size of the container and increase the ammunition?
      And the height of the lesion is too small -.

      You are right the launch container and it really turned out to be too big, 9 missiles without stabilizers could go into such dimensions, but the altitude is too small, the same is true.
  13. V.I.P.
    V.I.P. 28 December 2020 20: 12
    0
    Interestingly, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation against whom they intend to use it?
    Not a single attack drone, not a single loitering ammunition, not a single gliding bomb, not a single attack helicopter with an ATGM, well, or Spike NLOS Arrow -10 cannot shoot down ...
    Why waste money on this? Or do they intend to fight only with those who have Mi, Ka, Su-25?
    Russian ZU-23, MANPADS, Strela-10, Osa-AKM, Shilka, Tunguska cannot protect themselves from modern air attack weapons made by NATO countries, Israel, China (and an example of this is full on the internet) ...
    They can only spend money on old stuff, and show cartoons .. But they shout that the dough has been cut abroad .. We are sawing no less. At least there is a result ...
    1. Denimax
      Denimax 29 December 2020 00: 59
      0
      Maybe in salvo packets and on ships to protect the near zone from anti-ship missiles. In my opinion, the range there is less important than the advanced seeker.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 29 December 2020 10: 15
      0
      Not a single attack drone, not a single loitering ammunition, not a single gliding bomb, not a single attack helicopter with an ATGM, well, or Spike NLOS Arrow -10 cannot shoot down ...
      Duc, this is an ingenious idea, it cannot bring it down - but it is in service so that the State Department worries and strains its analysts until nightfall .... :))) why do Russians need this invention, a gloomy Russian genius, what's the catch! ???: )
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 29 December 2020 10: 20
      0
      ZU-23, MANPADS, Strela-10, Osa-AKM, Shilka, Tunguska cannot.
      they can, but not always and not everywhere, they are from a different era, just when the planes were more aluminum, the girls were sweeter, and the grass was greener ... :))) And now, composites, stealth coatings in each influx modulo electronic warfare, AI, slave drones and girls, ugh, God forgive me, they walk in parades with bristles in Europe, in the countries of victorious imperialism, there is no grass at all, polymer coating with nanofibers :))))
    4. sivuch
      sivuch 29 December 2020 10: 53
      +2
      Not a single attack drone, not a single loitering ammunition, not a single gliding bomb, not a single attack helicopter with an ATGM, or a Spike NLOS Arrow -10 is not able to shoot down.
      Where such confidence ? To begin with, where did you get the idea that the Tunguska cannot do it (it doesn't even matter - modernized or not). Who checked it and how? By the way, have you ever heard what exactly you changed there?
      now specifically about Strela-10. Of course, it would be better if today it was removed from service and replaced with the Carapace of the SMV / Pine / Birds. Even Wood would be better in many ways. But it is clear that this is impossible. Therefore, we will see what is.
      First of all, I'm not sure what the performance characteristics, i.e. range 5 km and ceiling 3.5 km refer to 9M333. The same figures were for the previous modifications. At the same time, the new rocket, as they say, has been increased in size, the engine is new, and all the electronic filling should greatly decrease in weight and dimensions - after all, half a century has passed. So far, it is only known that the warhead has been increased. If all the improvements were spent only on this - then, of course. insanity.
      Further, to begin with, increasing the range of the use of ASP for the enemy is already something. Shmaging from 5 or 10 km - these are two big differences, especially if the enemy is not a sheep and competently uses the terrain, camouflage and uses interference.
      Secondly, there is such a thing as ambush tactics. It has been used since the creation of air defense and sometimes successfully. And just Strela-10 is quite suitable for this tactic.
      And finally, why did you decide that the 9M333 cannot shoot down loitering ammunition? The FC channel sees them quite well.
  14. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 29 December 2020 15: 58
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    Simple cutting of funds. The war in Nagorno-Karabakh showed that this complex has long been outdated. And this rocket is about nothing ... You need 10 km in height and range ...
  15. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 29 December 2020 19: 09
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    Quote: loki565
    From here, the UAV withdrawal will detect the complex much earlier than the one of it.


    Why do you think that an air defense missile system normally camouflaged on the ground, which does not give itself out by radiation in the radar range, is simple and easy to detect?
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 30 December 2020 10: 28
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      With an Armenian disguise (like a bush in the middle of the road) - of course.
      in fact, there is radar radiation, really. in mm range. There is also a radio exchange.
      Another thing is that such commentators imagine the situation only in the form of a Lonely BM against a horde of UAVs.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 30 December 2020 10: 35
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        Quite right. Moreover, I will say if the Armenians even carried out field fortification and camouflage on the ground according to the old Soviet textbook of the 50s - 60s on sapper business, then their opponents would wash themselves up to their throats in blood, no Bayraktars would help. Yes, there was a tank army with the rear that could be hidden unnoticed.
  16. Angry
    Angry 31 January 2021 10: 29
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    And in short, nonsense! The same eggs only from the side. UAVs like Turkish ones cannot work. Ammunition has not been increased. The parameters are worse than those of the "Verba" MANPADS. Well, what the hell do we need this arrow? ... At least each container should have 4 zurs, which will make it possible to have 16 zurs on the installation, and 64 in the battery. The Americans made the RIM-116 in the same caliber. And what we need to have. What's stopping us?