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The "Position-2" complex was tested in Ukraine

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The "Position-2" complex was tested in Ukraine

In Ukraine, the tests of the "Position-2" complex, developed by the Lvov state plant "LORTA", were carried out. This was reported by the press service of Ukroboronprom.


According to the report, qualification tests of a prototype of the automated sound-metric complex for reconnaissance of firing positions of artillery guns and mortars "Position-2" took place at the Yavoriv training ground. According to the commission's assessment, the complex detected 100% of targets, in particular, explosions from shells from 152-mm D-20 howitzer and 2B11 mortar.

The 1AP1 "Position-2" automated sound system for reconnaissance of firing positions of artillery guns and mortars is an "improved development" of the Soviet-designed AZK-7 sound-metric complex. The complex was adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine back in 2013, but so far the troops have not received a single copy. The reason for this was problems with import substitution after the severance of ties with Russia.


The complex consists of: a hardware vehicle based on the MT-LB multipurpose conveyor, 3 acoustic bases, 9 high-sensitivity acoustic sensors, a weather station and other equipment.

The sound information received from the sensors is processed by a computer, which establishes the coordinates of the enemy's artillery positions, as well as the location of the bursts of shells and mines fired by its own artillery. The obtained data, after being processed online, are transmitted to the commanders of artillery units for counter-battery warfare.

The declared range of reconnaissance of firing positions of artillery guns is 25 km, mortars - 8 km.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 08: 41
    +3
    Have you changed your position, have it become more comfortable? laughing
    1. Laksamana besar
      Laksamana besar 25 December 2020 09: 23
      0
      Kamasutra after all. smile
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    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 December 2020 09: 26
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Have you changed your position, have it become more comfortable?


      The 1AP1 "Position-2" automated sound system for reconnaissance of firing positions of artillery guns and mortars is an "improved development" of the Soviet-made AZK-7 sound-metric complex.


      Russian latest UAV control complex and artillery reconnaissance and guidance system "Gunner-2"against the outskirts"Position-2"

      Back in the middle of last month, it became known (but not to the general public for some reason) the fact of the presence in the LPR of the newest Russian complex "Gunner-2", noticed by an OSCE UAV during an inspection flight 12 km from the front line ...







      Apparently, the "position" of the Outskirts is still such that it will have to reckon with the words of the President of the Russian Federation said about Donbass earlier, and more recently ... With all that it implies.

      It's time lads to the hati, to the house... yes

      And a cherry on the cake so that the dill has no doubts:

      BTR-82 AM, "no news by what wind" brought into the village of Stepanovka, Miner's district of the DPR on 28.08.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX.

      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 09: 44
        -2
        I am glad that Bobrov's forecast in "Deadborn" did not come true!
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 25 December 2020 09: 50
          -1
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          I am glad that Bobrov's forecast in "Deadborn" did not come true!

          Well, you need to consider the author's fantasy yes
          And Bobrov himself is a +/- compatriot, was born in the Red Ray of Voroshilovograd (Luhansk region), and therefore the books on such topics.







          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 10: 02
            0
            But under Medvedev or the like, who knows how things would have gone.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 25 December 2020 10: 09
              +4
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              But under Medvedev or the like, who knows how things would have gone.

              Come on ... With Putin alive ...
              Who will believe that, for example, in 2008, on 08.08.08, Medvedev personally made the decision to "enforce peace"?
              Medvedev was only nominally the president of the Russian Federation, and informally - a "locum tenens - temporary worker" whose sole purpose was to ensure the stability of the previously set course until the change of president.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 10: 17
                0
                Fortunately, nothing happened to GDP during this period, what if not? There is such an alternative.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 25 December 2020 10: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  There is such an alternative.

                  I am, you know, not a supporter of alternative theories. The practice of my life, the events in the Donbass taking place in the region and personally with me, show that there is no place for them (theories) in life ...
                  Everything flows as it should flow, relatively not significantly fluctuating from time to time only when accepting "those at the top"certain decisions ...
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 11: 05
                    +1
                    Good luck and success to you.
              2. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 25 December 2020 12: 09
                0
                Quote: Insurgent
                Come on ... With Putin alive ...

                Absolutely right. LADY is a completely lack of initiative, gray personality. A kind of talking ... not even a head. His appearance in the highest political circles among girls is called: "taking an ugly girlfriend with you."
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 25 December 2020 19: 09
                  +2
                  Quote: Polite Elk
                  LADY is a completely lack of initiative, gray personality. A kind of talking ... not even a head.

                  well, for that he noted ...
  2. bober1982
    bober1982 25 December 2020 08: 41
    0
    The name of the complex, in my opinion, is unfortunate.
    Reads like, defeat-2
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 December 2020 09: 05
      -2
      Quote: bober1982
      The name of the complex, in my opinion, is unfortunate.
      Reads like, defeat-2

      Why unsuccessful? A clear signal that you are ready to change your position!
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 December 2020 09: 07
      -1
      In my opinion, the complex is good because it cannot be detected by radiation ... Passive reception of signals excludes the possibility of detecting its operation, except perhaps only by radio data transmission with an artillery battery.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 December 2020 09: 30
      -1
      Quote: bober1982
      The name of the complex, in my opinion, is unfortunate.
      Reads like, defeat-2

      For ukrovermacht the most it! And 2, and 3, and 10 yes
      Izvarino, Ilovaisk, Debaltsevo will not let them go, repeating for them like Groundhog Day.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 25 December 2020 09: 40
        0
        In the traditions of the Soviet and Russian Armies, combat complexes are always designated with romantic names .... Phantasmagoria, Acacia, Carnation, Chaika, Buratino, etc.
        Lads are getting smaller
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 25 December 2020 19: 11
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          In the traditions of the Soviet and Russian Armies, combat complexes are always designated with romantic names .... Phantasmagoria, Acacia, Carnation, Chaika, Buratino, etc.
          Lads are getting smaller

          "Zoo", "Mesotron", etc.
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  3. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 25 December 2020 08: 42
    -10%
    and we are smoothly approaching the need for tanks of self-propelled guns' capabilities in terms of sights for UVN, not all nights and for counter-battery purposes. Our complexes have been passively seeing different frequencies from dozens of kilometers, according to official reports, on the flight immediately on the rise and before the arrival of the projectile, they are already aiming at the point of the shot. BMP3 T72 MSTA Icoalition and Nona is good but times are changing. Threat clean for the sake of hundreds of cons ... but in the United States there are no such complexes and their art is outdated, even archaic.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 25 December 2020 08: 52
      0
      For grammatical errors, minuses are crammed ...)))
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 25 December 2020 08: 55
        -7
        let me write black isho without ashypok, you will not believe they will surely pass over. just write something about the Russian Federation and well. proven for decades. millions of users (s) hi
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 09: 03
        +1
        The pluses for the clarity of the presentation compensate for the machinations of the spiteful critics! wassat
    2. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 29 December 2020 20: 10
      0
      Hello. Have you noticed that you are constantly being minus? Read a few books (my advice to you). Better than 100-200, then you will clearly express your opinion without mistakes.
      P, S, I say right away, in my "arsenal 3000-4000".
      With respect.
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 8 January 2021 18: 17
        0
        melanchal - but no) I wrote beautifully 20 years ago. since then, in the past about a year, there were only ones who really believed that I was crazy. I just wrote to them again and even handwritten a scan. neighing ... and they cried. actually it was conceived by me. By the way, 3000 books, 1 per day, is called porridge in the head not?
  4. Stepan S
    Stepan S 25 December 2020 08: 45
    +5
    They gave it out as if it was a new development, but only the modernization of the old Soviet complex. In reality, as they have new equipment entering the troops, this device will remain in the workshops of the plant to wait for funding, and as a result, American stations will be purchased.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 25 December 2020 08: 51
      -2
      And what is the modernization? Improved paint job? And with import substitution it's generally funny! Or was she alone? Or donors were all taken apart to make one.
  5. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 25 December 2020 08: 46
    +1
    And in Russia, the tests of the Strela-9M333 missile, capable of hitting air targets that use various types of jamming to protect against missile fire, from dropped and parachuted to modulated organized optical jamming, have ended in Russia. Also, the latest Russian missile can hit enemy drones and missiles. tongue
    1. Laksamana besar
      Laksamana besar 25 December 2020 09: 00
      +3
      We also have modernized filling stations-7 based on four URAL-43 203 paired with the Orlan-10 UAV, the first were sent to the Far East last year.
  6. sergo1914
    sergo1914 25 December 2020 08: 55
    -1
    Interesting ... "Position"
  7. Magic archer
    Magic archer 25 December 2020 08: 58
    -2
    Position - hands up the hill wassat in fact, everything that was not experienced there is unlikely to reach the troops. The country is on the verge of default. More than half of the budget is for loans. What new complex are we talking about !? Maximum one or two. And then they will be plundered along the way and sold (I hope to us)
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 25 December 2020 09: 10
      +1
      The country is on the verge of default. More than half of the budget is for loans.
      I've been hearing this for seven years already, but at the very least, new equipment arrives at the Armed Forces, and the personnel are trained, and we all giggle at the "stupid Ukrainians" ......
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 25 December 2020 10: 33
        -1
        Is the thigh bad ?! For two years, ONE MIG-29 has been modernized! Is this an improvement in your opinion !? I agree with the personnel. And then, in terms of land composition. The same cannot be said about the Air Force and auxiliary. Yes, and the Navy is full
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 25 December 2020 11: 46
          0
          ! Is this an improvement for you !?
          I don’t argue with the Air Force, and since 14 the situation has only worsened. At the same time, over the past few years, about 150 units of "Stugna-P" ATGM have been delivered to the troops (this is to 200 already in the army for 18 years), 120-mm mortars "Bars-8MMK" began to arrive (the license was purchased from the Spaniards, and this is no longer the Hammer), the modernization of the T-64 removed from the storage bases to the cheaper version of the T-64BV has begun, the Barrett snipers have appeared in large numbers (while there is still a large shortage of heavy sniper rifles in the Corps for effective counter-sniper fire) etc.
          1. Magic archer
            Magic archer 25 December 2020 11: 58
            -2
            These are tears. Especially in comparison with the fact that this state will leave the USSR. In addition to weapons, there is also a huge scientific and production potential. Which was successfully plundered, sold and devoured
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 25 December 2020 12: 06
              0
              These are tears.
              "these tears" shoot, explode and kill .........
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 December 2020 09: 19
    -1
    The complex was adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine back in 2013, but so far the troops have not received a single copy
    All questions to "Position-2" disappeared automatically. It turns out that the military-industrial complex of Ukraine is in a "position" and cannot be born.
  9. Stepan S
    Stepan S 25 December 2020 09: 40
    -1
    I watched a video about the tests from 2018. All advertisements from the plant are in Russian and this is at the Lviv plant. Where are the SBU and the patriotic activists looking?
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 25 December 2020 19: 06
      -2
      So, here I say lustrate everyone, and translate everything into MOV, immediately + 10 to efficiency, and + 20 to hydration, yes
  10. Avior
    Avior 25 December 2020 09: 49
    +3
    MTLB began to be produced more than 50 years ago, and the technique is still relevant.
    For artillery reconnaissance it is just very suitable - the passability is good, there is protection from a stray circle or a bullet at a distance, simple and reliable.
    And how many different modifications have already been made, do not count.
  11. ficus2003
    ficus2003 25 December 2020 10: 16
    -2
    On Ukrian in Lviv, gave the Russian name to the weapon?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 December 2020 10: 34
      -2
      Quote: ficus2003
      On Ukrian in Lviv, gave the Russian name to the weapon?

      Not at all. This is the translation of the article from Ukrainian "Position-2"
  12. maykl8
    maykl8 25 December 2020 10: 18
    +7
    The impression from the sound systems of artillery reconnaissance is twofold. During the Second World War, Leningrad was actually saved from destruction by the Wehrmacht artillery by sound reconnaissance units (PZR). Then the Soviet army deployed PZR around the entire encirclement ring and assigned batteries for counter-battery combat, the crews of which, under pain of the tribunal, had no right to move away from the guns. The Germans made artillery in our direction exactly four shots per minute and changed their position for a response would arrive. It got to the point of curiosity once PZR spotted a battery of Germans in the middle of the lake, they thought the calculation was wrong, it turned out that the Germans were towing the guns on rafts, fired a volley and sailed away (the accuracy from such fire is of course worthless, but Leningrad is big, it's hard to miss). The rafts were discovered after breaking through the encirclement ring. During the events in Damanskoye in the border conflict with China in 1969, the Chinese (who had previously studied at Soviet military schools and academies) disorientated the Soviet anti-tank missile systems by massively detonating TNT sticks along the front line at the time of their artillery firing. Due to the huge number of sound sources, the equipment did not have time to process information.
    Now about the AZK-7. AZK-7 with a constant front line and infrequent firefights undoubtedly has an advantage over the ZR radar since works in passive mode and is not available for reconnaissance by the enemy. As you know, radar can be detected by radiation. Obviously cheaper than the ZR radar. But to cover 400 km of the front line requires a significant number of AZK-7, about 40. We need cadres, we need to conduct exercises with cadres. Those. the next 2-3 years, worthy use of the AZK-7 is not expected.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 December 2020 10: 38
      -1
      Quote: maykl8
      The impression from the sound systems of artillery reconnaissance is twofold.

      Thank you Mikhail for the informative, informative and informative comment. Perhaps so far the best on the topic at the moment of discussion.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas 25 December 2020 19: 04
      +2
      AZK-7 has been used since the beginning of the ATO, I served on it. modernized "on the knee" with the help of volunteers and retired teachers of art schools. There is a large number of navigation equipment in the control car, and a user "interface" in the form of a telegraph apparatus. All this scrap metal was replaced by a tablet with installed software ... In general, mortars are detected well, howitzers are worse (purely theoretically). Training has been established. By the way, I also saw the AZK-5 in good condition on the storage base, but they are not used.
  13. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 25 December 2020 10: 41
    0
    Again, the latest, unique development, but the troops will not see it))) and thank God.
  14. Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 December 2020 15: 58
    -3
    They have the whole country for more than 20 years already "in the position of a drinking deer" .. With humor, constructor ..))
  15. Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 25 December 2020 18: 56
    -2
    is an "improved development" of the Soviet-made AZK-7 sound-metric complex.


    Wherever the decommunizers are looking, immediately luster this complex together with engineers and designers!
  16. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 25 December 2020 21: 03
    -3
    The term "in position" - I've heard. But military equipment - "position" - did not meet.
  17. Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 29 December 2020 19: 23
    0
    Well, what can I say? "Matalyga" is a reliable car, in the cold the company started from the pusher))