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Special operations forces of Ukraine. First years results

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In 2016, the formation of a new type of troops, the Special Operations Forces, began as part of the Ukrainian armed forces. In accordance with the adopted plans, by the end of 2020, the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had to acquire the final form and structure, as well as achieve full combat and operational readiness. As follows from the available data, such tasks have generally been solved.


Purpose and structure


According to the "Law on Defense", the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine must solve a number of basic tasks in the field of combat operations, intelligence and information activities. Subdivisions of this structure are responsible for "modern warfare", anti-terrorist operations, military reconnaissance, search and evacuation of victims or the capture of "tongues". Also, the MTR must create agent networks, conduct information and psychological operations, train the personnel of friendly armies and even prepare coups in third countries.

The formation of the MTR was carried out through the creation of new units and subunits, as well as through the transfer of existing ones from the composition of other types of troops. The total number of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after all the transformations is approx. 15 thousand people

Special operations forces of Ukraine. First years results

The MTR Command is deployed in Kiev. The subordinate structure of the MTR includes three main types of units. These are special purpose units (SPN), centers of information and psychological operations (the notorious IPSO) and various support units - training, liaison, etc.

Several Ukrainian military and civilian universities are involved in training personnel for the SSO in various specialties. The curriculum and training process is facilitated by the US military. They are represented by specialists from the 4th group of information support operations.

Special assignment


The execution of operational and combat missions in the MTR is assigned to the special forces units. There are four such parts known. The 140th Special Forces Center and the 8th Separate Special Forces Regiment are deployed in the city of Khmelnitsky (the territory of the OK "West"). In the area of ​​responsibility of OK "Yug" there are the 3rd separate special forces regiment (Kropyvnytskyi) and the 73rd Naval Special Operations Center (Odessa).

The 3rd and 8th separate regiments include three special forces, management, headquarters and support units. The 73rd Maritime Center is distinguished by a more complex structure, in which there are land, airborne and naval units. Unlike other units, the main task of the 73rd center is to carry out sabotage and other similar operations.


The special forces units are armed with a variety of samples weapons and equipment of Soviet, Ukrainian and foreign production. In this case, we are talking only about small arms of different classes and armored vehicles. The combat swimmers have at their disposal weapons for underwater shooting and means of transportation under water.

Information and psychological operations


Of all the structures of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the most famous are the centers of the IPCO. Their task is to monitor the social and political situation in neighboring countries, prepare analytical documents, etc. The centers also prepare and conduct hacker attacks on key military and civilian targets of a potential enemy. There is information on holding such events together with foreign colleagues.

At the same time, the IPSO centers are better known for their activities in the socio-political direction. They monitor and suppress alternative points of view in Ukraine itself, and also organize information and psychological operations in other countries. Propaganda materials are disseminated through all available channels, from print to social media bots.


It is known about four operating IPSO centers. The 72nd main center is working near Kiev, which carries out general management of the entire structure. In the zone OK "North" in the settlement Guiva operates the 16th IPCO Center. The 74th center of OK "West" is deployed in Lvov. The 86th center is located in Odessa (OK "Yug").

According to known data, the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine receive the greatest assistance from foreign colleagues precisely in the context of the development of the IPSO centers. So, in the 72nd main center since 2018, a group of specialists from the 77th brigade of the British information forces has been constantly working. Also, specialists from other NATO countries with experience in information and psychological operations are involved in the assistance of the centers.

According to known data, IPCO centers have a similar composition. In addition to leadership, they include an analytical department and an observation and special actions department. There are also departments in charge of propaganda in print and on the Internet. Also, each center has subdivisions of support for continuous work.

development Plans


By now, the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine acquired the required form, gained the necessary strength and received all the basic capabilities. At the same time, the Ukrainian command is not going to stop there and plans to develop the MTR in different ways. Processes of this kind will be associated mainly with plans to join NATO.


In the coming years, until 2025, it is planned to abandon weapons, equipment and other materiel built according to the standards of the USSR / Russia. A full transition to NATO standards is planned. Similar changes await the operational and combat training of units. Fighters and other MTR specialists in the future will be trained according to NATO methods. The preparation of the MTR combat manual is continuing, which will also take into account the requirements of NATO.

In recent years, MTR units have repeatedly participated in international exercises. Such cooperation will be expanded in the future. The Ukrainian command wants to include its units in the NATO rapid reaction force, which will strengthen cooperation with this organization, and will also allow it to count on various kinds of foreign assistance.

Units of the Special Forces of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are used in the Donbass for carrying out certain operations against the self-proclaimed republics. This practice will continue in the future. In addition, certain aggressive actions against other neighboring countries cannot be ruled out. The same applies to IPSO centers. They have already launched an active activity in information networks, and it is unlikely that it will decline.

Preliminary results


In just a few years, Ukraine has managed to form and bring to full service a new branch of the armed forces with wide capabilities, incl. fundamentally new. It is easy to see that the decisive contribution to these processes was made by foreign friendly countries, primarily the United States. They shared their experience in organizing the Special Operations Forces and continue to provide support in all directions.


The results of the activities of the new service arm are not yet fully clear. Parts of the Special Forces exist and regularly participate in training events, incl. international. In addition, they were involved in combat work in the Donbass. There is information about the conduct of reconnaissance and sabotage operations, etc. However, the involvement of the MTR did not help the Armed Forces to change the situation in the region and regain control over the seceded territories.

The activities of the centers of information and psychological operations, for obvious reasons, are more visible. Unreliable "stuffing" on various topics, beneficial to the Kiev authorities, occurs regularly. In addition, there is an increased activity of suspicious accounts with the same socio-political position on social networks and other services with open comments. Attempts of hacker attacks are recorded.

The specifics of the current political course of Ukraine suggests that the newly created Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces are viewed as a multipurpose instrument for aggressive actions against third countries. This means that nearby states need to track Ukrainian activity and take measures to ensure their security. Perhaps the MTR of the Armed Forces does not pose a particular threat to the militarily developed countries, but they must be considered as a potential threat that requires attention.
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  1. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 25 December 2020 18: 17
    -32%
    Oh I'm afraid I'm afraid recourse
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 25 December 2020 18: 41
      +38
      It is better to think a few steps ahead: trained fighters with a certain ideological training, who will not disappear by themselves even if relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine change.
      Consider them as another obstacle to normalizing relations between countries, because they are being prepared for war in a certain direction. In the event of war, their training will help them send hundreds of Russian soldiers to the next world. So there is no reason for scoffing.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 25 December 2020 18: 56
        -26%
        I thought for a few moments and realized that our soldiers are no worse and can always protect me.
        In the event of war, their training will help them send hundreds of Russian soldiers to the next world.

        If they are not sent
        And they are guaranteed to be sent
        And you sit and shake.
        Do not forget to close the door at night with three locks
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 19: 54
          +23
          Think again.

          Ukrainian SSO is an analogue of the Brandenburg 800 division of the Second World War.

          These people, who knew Russia and the Russian language perfectly, were exits from Russia and fought against us. The saboteurs of this unit, pretending to be fighters entering from the encirclement, seized bridges and committed sabotage on the territory of the USSR. And it was very difficult to identify them, especially during the time of general panic and confusion.

          So the threat is real. And here it is not necessary to be afraid, but to take countermeasures.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 December 2020 21: 10
            0
            Those "Brandenburgs" were followed by a powerful military force, plus ideological support.
            You can "partisan", but ... do you think there are a lot of such fucking people now ???
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 25 December 2020 22: 19
              +7
              Quote: rocket757
              Those "Brandenburgs" were followed by a powerful military force, plus ideological support.

              Behind these are the USA and Western Europe. And they know how to wash their brains better than anyone else and do not spare money for it.
              Quote: rocket757
              you can "partisan"

              There is no need to partisan. A series of terrorist attacks and sabotage on infrastructure facilities may well lead to chaos, then mass unrest, the nomination of an opposition leader, who, like Guaidó, declares himself the legitimate head of state and continues on. Is order in the Russian Federation so strong? Will the purchased generals and officials work off their money helping the rebellion?
              Any Maidan is the work of such special operations forces in combination with massive bribery of security officials and officials. And there are no guarantees that this cannot happen in the Russian Federation.
              Quote: rocket757
              do you think now there are a lot of such freaking out ???

              And a lot is not necessary. Ukraine is a vivid example of how a very small but well-organized part of the population dictates its will to millions of Ukrainians.
              So, everything depends on the organization and trained specialists.
              And here they are cooked in droves. For what?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 December 2020 23: 21
                -5
                Quote: Hlavaty
                Behind these are the USA and Western Europe. And they know how to wash their brains better than anyone else and do not spare money for it.

                Verbiage about nothing. You or a mercenary / bandit / terrorist, who will be spanked after "gutting", or an enemy soldier, with whom you will still have to "babysit" ... but the oak itself understands this. There will be absolutely frostbitten ones, but there will not be many of them, and they end quickly when they are taken seriously.
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty 26 December 2020 00: 37
                  +7
                  Quote: rocket757
                  and they end quickly when they are taken seriously.

                  Who will take?
                  In Ukraine, in 2014, the West scared the entire elite so that they were afraid to fart in the direction of the Maidan.
                  And when they despaired and started storming the Maidan, Western leaders immediately called them all and explained their prospects. And the assault was stopped. Although there was just a little more pressure left - a few tens of meters to the stage, where all the leaders of the Maidan were trembling violently.
                  And how many "activists" were there who had clearly undergone special training and organized local maidans and attacks on police stations to seize weapons. And almost nowhere "they were not taken seriously". In most cases, on the contrary, there was a "favored regime": the detainees were released, the police were turned away from the riots.
                  There was an explicit riot management system deployed across the country. It is impossible to create such a system without corrupt security officials and officials.
                  Quote: rocket757
                  You or a mercenary / bandit / terrorist, who will be spanked after "evisceration", or an enemy soldier, with whom you still have to "babysit" ...

                  This is the yardstick of an ordinary war. This does not work in the Maidans - there are all citizens or "guests of the capital". And no "soldiers" and "mercenaries".
                  Example: on YouTube there was a video from the time of the Maidan (2014), where they showed a man in urban camouflage with an American policeman's name and a Slavic name standing on his knees detained on the Maidan in Kiev. So what? Was there an international scandal? No. Quietly they let go and that's it. "Guest of the capital" you know ...
                  Well, when a guy with a sniper in the trunk is released, it's just a classic of the genre. Search YouTube by the name of Pashinsky (now a deputy).

                  Those who are trained in Ukraine will be provided with documents and money, which means they will be "ordinary citizens" with all the rights and opportunities to pay off the cops. And if you add to this the support from corrupt bureaucrats and deputies, then the hell you just take them for "gutting".
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 26 December 2020 03: 21
                    +1
                    In Ukraine, in 2014, the West scared the entire elite so that they were afraid to fart in the direction of the Maidan.
                    That's all you need to know about
                    Quote: Hlavaty
                    Ukraine is a vivid example of how a very small but well-organized part of the population dictates its will to millions of Ukrainians.

                    This is possible only in the absence of opposition.
                    1. Hlavaty
                      Hlavaty 26 December 2020 15: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      This is possible only in the absence of opposition.

                      Конечно.
                      The main question is very simple: Are there those who will oppose or not?
                      If corruption is the basis of the activities of officials and security officials, then there is SOMEONE to oppose.
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 25 December 2020 21: 35
            -6
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ukrainian SSO is an analogue of the Brandenburg 800 division of the Second World War.

            Well, where is this "analogue"?
            And here it is not necessary to be afraid, but to take countermeasures.

            And I'm not afraid of them ??? And the measures will be taken by those whose fathers and grandfathers "Brandenburgs" put to rest.
            And if you have a mess with a sense of humor, a smiley for you recourse
            1. Reklastik
              Reklastik 26 December 2020 13: 43
              +2
              Excuse me, but you are not embarrassed that while each of your comments collects, in general, minuses?
        2. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 25 December 2020 20: 06
          +7
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Thought for a few

          Alas ... Judging by the result, it didn't work out.
    2. silverura
      silverura 25 December 2020 19: 22
      +9
      Oh I'm afraid I'm afraid
      And what are you afraid of - "sofa specialist". The sofa would be warmer and softer, as well as the Internet without lag.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 25 December 2020 21: 36
        -9
        Quote: silverura
        And what are you afraid of - "couch specialist"

        It was necessary to put laughing
        so that you like the one can hear where is the joke?
        Well, let's roll it square
        1. silverura
          silverura 25 December 2020 21: 47
          +3
          It was necessary to put
          Address in a personal, I will send it by cash on delivery - soft but shabby with small darned places drinks
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 06
      0
      Do not be afraid, but underestimating the ENEMY is a direct path to defeat.
  2. vadivm59
    vadivm59 25 December 2020 18: 21
    +17
    and the result of the work of the MTR, the death of several major commanders of the DPR and LPR and politicians. Didn't you take the Old seriously?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 25 December 2020 18: 57
      -10%
      Do all the Ukrainians tell you how many losses they have?
      Or only ukrov special forces?
      1. vadivm59
        vadivm59 25 December 2020 19: 30
        +15
        Yes, I’m on the side of the loss of their specialists. I about the results of the work of the MTR of the Ukrainians, if you summarize everything, the result is impressive, but you don’t? you are from a group of readers / writers who are always on the "guard", and you yourself saw? read? considered, etc. and so on.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 25 December 2020 21: 37
          -10%
          Quote: vadivm59
          .i about the results of the work of the MTR

          Did you personally bring the report?
          1. Looking for
            Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 12
            0
            the graves of Motorola, Givi and other commanders of the republics are better than any report. testify to their effectiveness.
      2. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 25 December 2020 20: 25
        +14
        You are missing the most important thing - the Ukrainian MTR fighters are practically the same Russians. And they speak Russian perfectly without an accent. Both outwardly and behaviorally, we are the same with them. This means that it will not be easy to distinguish a Ukrainian saboteur in a crowd in Russia. Even with Caucasian militants it is easier - they are of a different nationality, with Caucasian appearance. It is a pity that such adults as you - and such short-sighted, rolled into pricks. And yes, they wrote to you correctly above - you personally have nothing to fear on your couch. The enemy must not be feared, the enemy must be studied and must not be underestimated.
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 16
          0
          yes, but it is just as difficult to distinguish a Russian saboteur among the Ukrainian special forces.
      3. Arpad
        Arpad 25 December 2020 20: 38
        +10
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Do all the Ukrainians tell you how many losses they have?
        Or only ukrov special forces?

        I don’t know, but they killed almost all important persons of the LPR and left without being caught.
  3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 December 2020 18: 27
    -3
    foreign friendly countries, primarily the United States

    A friendly country does not procure meat for your people
  4. Gato
    Gato 25 December 2020 18: 36
    +3
    In addition, on social networks and other services with open comments, there is an increased activity of suspicious accounts with the same socio-political position.

    And we did notice. Combat uh .. minus.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 December 2020 18: 49
      -4
      increased activity of suspicious accounts with the same socio-political position

      And also - with the same level of intelligence. If this word at all can denote the processes occurring in the cranium of these amazing vertebrates.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 December 2020 21: 27
        -2
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        And also - with the same level of intelligence

        What for a small penny agree to "plow", such and hired.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 December 2020 23: 17
          -2
          Quote: rocket757
          What for a small penny agree to "plow", such and hired.

          Exactly. Well, plus, not everyone is ready to sink so morally.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 25 December 2020 18: 59
      -2
      Quote: Gato
      And we did notice. Combat uh .. minus.

      On each branch with fresh registration laughing
      One has already checked out minus you
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 December 2020 21: 24
        -2
        Colleagues, they work out the "payment". And since sponsors are shy, they hire the cheapest ... you should not expect depth of thought from them, and they do not mind the minuses.
        However, I advise you not to go down to their level .... there are no limits, they are not paid for this.
        On the topic .... comparison with the Nazis no longer seems to them a censure, have you noticed? They give examples of the murder of their own fellow citizens and are proud of it ... in short, the degradation of human qualities, consciousness, is complete.
        What can you talk to them about ... ignore and all business.
      2. Gato
        Gato 25 December 2020 23: 17
        -2
        One has already checked out minus you

        If this is the essence of the informational special operations of the ragul, then I am only "for" lol
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 25 December 2020 21: 26
      -1
      Aggravation in them, aggravation, they are preparing for the holidays, they earn on "Olivier".
      1. Gato
        Gato 25 December 2020 23: 24
        +3
        Olivie

        Today they have a Catholic Christmas, and Olivier is a dish if not Orthodox, then definitely Soviet. Uniates from him swell and flatten at the same time laughing
  5. Dimide
    Dimide 25 December 2020 18: 43
    +5
    It would be foolish not to develop the MTR, when 4 special forces brigades, 2 airborne forces remained on the territory of Ukraine
    1. mark2
      mark2 25 December 2020 19: 11
      -6
      It's strange that they even thought of this.
      when on the territory of Ukraine there were 4 special forces brigades, 2 airborne forces
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 December 2020 19: 56
      +2
      Why don't they develop aviation, for example, how many planes and factories they have left from the USSR ?!

      They develop what the US will then use against Russia.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 25 December 2020 20: 29
        +3
        Until the age of 14, the army was financed on a leftover basis, and weapons were mainly sold, which allowed Ukraine to remain in the top 10 arms exporters for many years.
  6. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 25 December 2020 18: 44
    +9
    In fairness, it should be noted that the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not created from scratch from scratch, there was a good groundwork for special forces units since the times of the USSR, from the media it is known that all operations on the border with the Russian Federation MTR of Ukraine are carried out under the control of the GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the SBU
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2020 19: 18
      +2
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      that the MTR of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were not created from scratch from scratch, there was a good groundwork for special forces units since the times of the USSR,

      Of course, it was touched, and the school remained, but the brothers from overseas helped a lot, and trained well, but the main weapons were planted. Not to attack the machine guns ourselves when there are others who are more frostbitten.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 20
      0
      i.e. renegades with Russian roots, and even Russian nationality.
  7. g1v2
    g1v2 25 December 2020 18: 46
    +7
    Well, actually, the 3rd and 8th special forces regiments are still a Soviet legacy. Naval saboteurs, too. There are about 70-80 of them in the center now. In 14-15 years they all fought as infantry. They were seriously battered in the southern cauldron. But the power of psychological operations is just a novelty. I think on this site 2-3 pieces are exactly sitting in shifts. Moreover, from time to time they even play a performance like arguing among themselves. Usually they can be calculated by old, but rarely used nicknames. They pop up here regularly. But it is quite possible that some thread from the liked commentators is working there.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2020 19: 20
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      I think on this site 2-3 pieces are exactly sitting in shifts. Moreover, from time to time they even play a performance like arguing among themselves.

      Yes, if there were 2-3 pieces, then you don't need to pay attention, I think about 10 pieces constantly.
    2. Avior
      Avior 25 December 2020 19: 57
      +2
      ... Usually they can be calculated by old, but rarely used nicknames. They pop up here regularly.

      Do you mean that the nickname of the fighters of the invisible front looks like this somewhere?
      ... Group Member
      Was online on December 25, 2020 ....
      Registered 31 August 2016 ....
      0 news ....
      57 comments

      hi
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 26 December 2020 03: 56
        +2
        More often nicks were registered even earlier - in 14-15 years, but the activity is practically zero. Rather, it is focal. Something happens and they come in flocks, and then disappear. More than 1-2 on one site are unlikely to be on duty often. Usually they spud several forums at once. Somehow Rozhin posted the hacked accounts of such fighters and there everyone was registered on several sites at once.
        1. Avior
          Avior 26 December 2020 09: 47
          +2
          I took from this thread, if that
          smile
          I think it's too easy ...
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 23
          0
          By the way, you are registered in the 14th year.
    3. Petrik66
      Petrik66 25 December 2020 20: 39
      0
      YES, but we are on guard here, the enemy will not pass, and even to g1v2 it is necessary to watch, the classic reception of the enemy, to transfer the topic which he himself raised to another. )))))))
  8. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 25 December 2020 19: 05
    0
    There is a big psychological problem in the Ukrainian MTR.
    The ranks of the MTR consists of "ordinary" Ukrainians recruited by contract from all over Ukraine and members of "volunteer battalions" squeezed into the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, right-wing radical representatives of Nazi and nationalist ideologies.
    All troops need an enemy image for training and defining motivation. In Soviet times, these were NATO and the Americans. Now in the Russian Federation, the images of enemies have expanded significantly, many new ones have been added to the old ones. In Ukraine, this is more difficult.
    Since the preparation and ideological pumping of the MTR is carried out by the Americans, they, in the image of the enemy, automatically include Russia and its allies.
    This is where the problem I mentioned appears. If for the National Nazis in the MTR this image of the enemy is acceptable and desirable, then for the rest (most) of the MTR, the image of the enemy in the person of the Russians is categorically unacceptable. Of course, after the expiration of time, the efforts of NATO brainwashing experts (provided that Ukraine continues to follow in the wake of US policy) will yield results ... But now, alas.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2020 19: 33
      0
      Quote: Mark Kalendarov
      The ranks of the MTR consists of "ordinary" Ukrainians recruited by contract from all over Ukraine and members of "volunteer battalions"

      Yes, I would not say about "simple", there are many ideological. Just yesterday I was talking to one Gaster, I have known him for a couple of years. So, before coming here, he signed up as a contract soldier in the SSO, but he was offered only as a volunteer, because he was 56 years old, a hard worker from Kremenchug.
      1. t-12
        t-12 26 December 2020 01: 22
        0
        What is the “ideological nature” of this Gaster? Does he consider Putin an aggressor who occupied Crimea and Donbass? Or does he even hate Muscovites, because Muscovites oppressed freedom-loving Ukrainians for 1000 years? Or are you just tired of boring Gaster's life, you want some kind of adventure, a feat?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 December 2020 10: 32
          0
          Quote: t-12
          What is the “ideological nature” of this Gaster? Does he consider Putin an aggressor who occupied Crimea and Donbass?

          Basically, they believe that Russia is waging a war with Ukraine with regular troops, and has occupied part of it. And the answers converge to that "we have always lived in harmony, but you started the war." And it's useless to prove to them, they don't even want to listen to you.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 26 December 2020 04: 00
      +3
      There are pros in these shelves. They don't need the image of the enemy. The workers and peasants and society needed the enemy. Pros fight whoever is ordered to - that's their job. If ordered, the same people will act against mattresses and NATO. There is, of course, resentment over losses, but hardly strong. Well, there are, of course, ideological Nazis, but it is unlikely that there are many of them in such units.
      1. Mark kalendarov
        Mark kalendarov 26 December 2020 15: 36
        +1
        Correctly noted - the pro. But they become with a good salary, good training and good equipment. With training, not everything is clear: there are not many victories, big, loud and simple victories. The equipment is average: no money is given for advanced samples, they allocate what is already being changed in other countries. And the salary. Its size is ridiculous. And the most important thing. The living standards of the remaining relatives are far from the level of the prosperous middle class. Do you imagine a general or a colonel of the NATO special forces stealing money from his units? Me not. And in the MTR this is an ordinary phenomenon. And this does not add confidence in the future and their correctness.
        They have yet to become a pro. In 7-10 years.
        Something like that. All the best!
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 32
      0
      "... the Americans carry out, they, in the image of the enemy, automatically inscribe Russia and its allies." You have absolutely no idea of ​​the situation. Creating an image of Russia. as the main enemy is the primary task of American "teachers"
  9. Arnaut
    Arnaut 25 December 2020 19: 24
    +3
    Givi, Motorola, Mozgovoy and several dozen more "accidents" and "careless handling of weapons", etc.
    Plus "sacred sacrifices" Nemtsov and the unfinished Navalny.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 25 December 2020 21: 25
      +5
      Givi, Motorola, Mozgovoy and several dozen more "accidents"

      I agree with Givi and Motorola, this is the work of the Sumerians, but Mozgovoy and Dremov are unlikely. They were building socialism in their zone of responsibility; this danger was no longer for the dill.
      1. Arnaut
        Arnaut 25 December 2020 21: 41
        +2
        "Mister white officer" Girkin and "outrageous" Bes were simply taken out and put on the bench of the personnel reserve. Why Mozgovoy and Dremov are worse? They would write memoirs somewhere near Voronezh and hang pioneer ties on children's necks. Until the right time.

        Zakharchenko also built socialism? And it was not the boys from the choir of the sanatorium of tuberculosis dystrophics who guarded it. How much time has passed, and the investigation is silent.

        By the way, the IPCO does not eat their bread for nothing. One telegram channel "General SVR" is worth something ...
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 December 2020 10: 06
          0
          Zakharchenko also built socialism?

          Well, you still write down all the cleaned-up communists. There, the Ukrop oligarchs have muddied the agreement with the domestic oligarchs, and whoever interferes is eliminated.
  10. ximkim
    ximkim 25 December 2020 19: 35
    +1
    There is a threat. okay, but they don't recognize that.
  11. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 25 December 2020 19: 39
    +8
    Above - there is already a bunch of hilarious comments, with which the MTR of Ukraine is just a snack on their couch ... I think that you need to be serious about the non-brothers' special operations forces and keep your ears open. A well-trained and trained fighter is very dangerous in itself, and it doesn't matter what special forces he is from - Ukrainian, American, Russian or Zimbabwean. It is necessary to closely monitor their teachings, trainings, weapons, equipment, equipment, tactics, to know the data on each fighter of the MTR of Ukraine, his specialization, the circle of relatives and preferably movement even outside the service. And be ready to work individually and specifically for each of their divisions - to develop countermeasures, whether it be special operations, the protection of objects or "battle" on the Internet.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 25 December 2020 20: 59
      -3
      The Kremlin will only grow wiser when again, houses in Moscow will explode. God forbid, of course ..
    2. Gato
      Gato 25 December 2020 23: 38
      0
      countermeasures

      If anyone remembers, after Givi and Motorola, a couple of power steering officials accidentally blew up in Kiev. Maybe it's a coincidence request
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 December 2020 19: 50
    +5
    The Soviet school remained. Don't underestimate.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 December 2020 21: 20
      -2
      Quote: vladimirvn
      the school remained. Don't underestimate.

      By definition, underestimating an adversary is unacceptable. And they will definitely throw off all the “former” who was associated with the “Soviet school”, not much time will pass. And the more they 404s will rant about using Nata standards - the faster the "former" will be thrown out
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 25 December 2020 22: 49
        +8
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        And they will definitely throw off all the “former” who was associated with the “Soviet school”, not much time will pass.

        All former Soviet Special Forces specialists who served in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014 fought in the ATO. And nobody threw them off anywhere. On the contrary, they continue to teach new specialists.
        1. paco.soto
          paco.soto 25 December 2020 23: 11
          +2
          I put you + for your comment.
          I agree.
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 26 December 2020 21: 57
            +1
            Quote: paco.soto
            I put you + for your comment.
            I agree.

            I personally know one. He talked about "several" more. Well, there is still a tyrnet.
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 25 December 2020 23: 28
          -4
          Quote: Normal ok
          All former Soviet Special Forces Specialists who served in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014 ..

          Hopefully St. Peter will welcome them with a good cock when their time comes.
          And when it's time to get clearance for .., aka admission- they will all be thrown off, we will not worry
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 26 December 2020 21: 59
            +1
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            Quote: Normal ok
            All former Soviet Special Forces Specialists who served in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014 ..

            Hopefully St. Peter will welcome them with a good cock when their time comes.
            And when it's time to get clearance for .., aka admission- they will all be thrown off, we will not worry

            Most of all in hell they love slanderers and proud people ((
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 December 2020 19: 51
    -2
    Well, about the friendliness of the striped ones, I would not be very happy. This is when the owners kept the lackeys for their friends, but as a working cattle it is quite acceptable and even an elegant collar will be put on the neck. But they won't be allowed into the house, only into the barn.
  14. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 25 December 2020 19: 53
    +6
    The Ukrainian MTR has a good opportunity to work out in real conditions the existing and remaining Soviet skills with NATO developments, primarily American and British ones, and the English SAS is one of the strongest in the world, here you have to face the truth, well, it will not be superfluous for ours to study such hybrid tactics actions of the Ukrainian special forces in the territories of the LPR and not only
  15. iouris
    iouris 25 December 2020 20: 18
    +4
    Recently Lavrov was framed: in Bosnia and (or) Herzegovina they presented a Russian icon, allegedly stolen, allegedly from Lugansk ... He got scared and returned the Russian icon. Is this a successful special operation?
  16. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 25 December 2020 20: 56
    -2
    It is high time to destroy the state - "Ukraine". We have the opposite - we beg you to take the vaccine, free of charge. This brotherhood will come out sideways for us. But it will be too late.
    1. silverura
      silverura 25 December 2020 21: 33
      -3
      It is high time to destroy the state - "
      There is another option - to apologize, forgive, forget and be friends.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 26 December 2020 00: 33
        0
        "Apologize"? For what? My grandfather fought. I will not apologize to the zigging folk.
        1. silverura
          silverura 26 December 2020 07: 58
          +1
          My grandfather fought
          And about immigrants from Ukraine and the number of heroes in the ranks of the Red Army, he did not tell you anything? All this was and is today. Interethnic strife is built on the topic of zigging. The Svoboda party did not even enter parliament, no more than 3%. Something like this. Relationships need to be improved.
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 26 December 2020 10: 00
            +2
            Well yes. Of course. If everything is so amazing, then why did Boyko and Medvedchuk gain only 12 percent of the votes in parliament? According to your logic, you need to forgive everything, hug everyone and kiss? Sorry, but you live in the last century
            The Ukrainian SSR no longer exists. There is independent Ukraine where 85 percent of the population is hostile to Russia. And "interethnic strife" was incited not by me and not by my people, but by Ukraine. Let Ukraine and its people be responsible for this. For the demolition of monuments, for beading, for jumping on the Maidan ...
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 41
        0
        BE FRIENDS???? go to Ukraine (if you are of course allowed) and try to "make friends"
    2. iouris
      iouris 26 December 2020 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      But it will be too late.

      Too late.
  17. svoit
    svoit 25 December 2020 22: 30
    -7
    Quote: Mark Kalendarov
    the rest (most) of the MTR, the image of the enemy in the face of the Russians is categorically unacceptable.

    It is even very acceptable, they will kill with great pleasure, they are not Russians, they are Ukrainians, and as you know, the first enemy of all Ukrainians is Russian. Here is their code of "honor"
    "Kill every Russian, do not stop if there is an old man, woman, child in front of you."
    1. silverura
      silverura 25 December 2020 22: 55
      -1
      "Kill every Russian, do not stop if there is an old man, woman, child in front of you."

      You sho ziehav bluntly? It has not yet reached such insanity. You wind yourself up.
      1. Avior
        Avior 26 December 2020 00: 37
        +6
        And he doesn't wind himself up.
        He deliberately pits Russians with Ukrainians with these inventions: (((
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 57
          0
          I will tell you straight. If you are a citizen of Russia, then you do not know anything about the outskirts. and if you are a citizen of the outskirts, then you are one of the Ukrainian agitators who have bred in hundreds on Russian resources and who pretend to be Russians.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 2 January 2021 23: 47
        0
        he absolutely correctly describes the current mood of the population up to 35-40 years old. in Ukraine
  18. paco.soto
    paco.soto 25 December 2020 22: 53
    +2
    Neutral opinion: I just read the forum with interest. I was really glad that sane commentators appeared in this post. Ya is an ex-Kiev resident, who of the trolls assigned to here will want to drive me with a Bandera - it's better to use a new term - probably an otaman. There was such resistance - otamanschina for central Ukraine in the 20s.
    On the topic now: MTR of Ukraine is a serious start. I communicate with still living Friends - fellow countrymen whose grandchildren are already there.
    The current situation is as follows: everyone there is Russian-speaking, the minimum level of training is "KMS corridor", as in the old special forces of the GRU of the USSR (in my experience). You can certainly play funny now, but this is a very serious MTR.
    I will put my photo for real commentators today, not a sofa - with a hangover, we have a local Christmas, just in case.
    1. silverura
      silverura 26 December 2020 07: 51
      +3
      You can certainly play funny now, but this is a very serious MTR.

      For this you respect! Maybe, after all, the mind will prevail over emotions. We need to build normal - human relations. Throw away everything that separates and go forward to improve relations.
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 26 December 2020 18: 48
        +1
        Maybe, after all, the mind will prevail over emotions. We need to build normal - human relations. Throw away everything that separates and go forward to improve relations.
        Neutral opinion of the old man in the subject: after all, he won't take it, just in case.
        Here emotions are rudimentary. At the "firmware" level. I will try to explain it metaphorically. As high school students and students, we all constantly fought in Kiev in courtyards, and immediately became friends. But there were cases and to be seriously injured in casual fights with allegedly lost thieves, who crossed the "philistine" logic. Then they vindictively remembered this and 90% performed them by the Fathers or we, but sometimes with a huge delay. Even ya performed "with several squeamish touches" in the 90s already outrageous for my eldest Son (laughing: there are paper photos in the archive) Even laughing: already in emigration, already adult and successful Friends informed me about the fulfillment of such debts several times. These Ukrainians (not by nationality, but by place of residence) will not forget until they take revenge. This is the structure of the current moment.
        Regards to you.
        If you want, I can tell you an interesting psychological detail that exists because of those who were once killed.
  19. Pamir
    Pamir 25 December 2020 22: 56
    +2
    Probably it would be naive to think that Ukraine did not have and never will have such units. Even if they were not or were insufficient, then the regional committee will try to correct such a defect, at the same time they will supervise them. Our FSB forces, this is taken into account, were not born yesterday .When the MTR of Ukraine tries to work with us, this is actually a war without declaring it, with all the consequences, and not very bright for them. Countermeasures will be naturally adopted, and in general the situation is being monitored now. Although this of course must be taken seriously, today their employees are mentally and mentally not ready to work with us, but how it will be in the future is a question. It is not worth underestimating the MTR of any country, it is better to overestimate than underestimate. , to obtain as much information as possible about them, where, who, when, why, why, who owns the information, he has an advantage in the application of preventive measures. To know, in which case, it will not be possible to hide from retaliation. jaw per tooth.
  20. Pamir
    Pamir 25 December 2020 23: 06
    0
    And the fact that Ukraine has a MTR, well, they have the right, any state has these units. The main thing is not to let them unfold, to work at home.
  21. svoit
    svoit 25 December 2020 23: 19
    -9
    Quote: silverura
    It has not yet reached such insanity there

    They killed the Russians in themselves, while in others it is already easier.
    1. Bourgeois 1963
      Bourgeois 1963 26 December 2020 00: 34
      +7
      If we remove the cheap Petrosyans from the comments, and reason sensibly based on real facts, we can draw the following conclusions:
      Earth always beats blood. In the United States, there are more ethnic Germans than British. Consequently, in the troops that fought on the fronts of the Second World War, the American Germans fought against their brothers in blood. During the American Revolution, the British of America fought against the British of the metropolis - Britain. The earth is a real substance. Blood is mystical, which means it is subjective.
      Historically, since Cossack times, Ukrainians have focused on military operations, which are tactically close to special operations. Remember the methods of warfare conducted by N.I. Makhno, or S.A. Kovpak. And the most famous organizers and participants of special operations P.M. Cat and P.N. Sudoplatov were ethnic Ukrainians.
  22. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 26 December 2020 07: 34
    0
    "In the coming years, until 2025, it is planned to abandon weapons, equipment and other materiel built according to USSR / Russian standards. A full transition to NATO standards is planned."
    A madhouse .. in theory, one must have-the most optimal (best) samples, regardless of the standard, at least Indonesian .. And they mix politics here too .. however, what else can you expect from the Reichskommissariat Anglo-striped, except for the readiness to please the boss first, buying his goods ..
    And so, the creation of a MTR with a separate system of subordination, from the point of view of modern military theory, is a logical step in the development of the Armed Forces, we made it a long time ago ..
  23. paco.soto
    paco.soto 26 December 2020 19: 38
    +3
    Neutral opinion: I read it yesterday and commented it off calmly. But 1% of the memory in my head was "pondering it".
    A question to the respected VO admins: is it possible to somehow modify the forum ?, what would be interesting to read without "Petrosyanschina, my respected uratrolls attributed to me"? Somehow can add an "ignore spam commentator" option for a specific user?
    It's just that there is not always time to view the forum and interesting comments for me remain unread, just in case.
    Thank you in advance,.
    Sincerely.
  24. paco.soto
    paco.soto 26 December 2020 19: 59
    +3
    Neutral opinion: dear comments - wake up, think about it and do not arrange a bird market here in the genre of "Putin grandmothers"
    Let's save and save our old VO, just in case !!!
    Neutral opinion: dear comments - wake up, think about it and do not arrange a bird market here in the genre of "Putin grandmothers"
    Let's save and save our old VO, just in case !!!
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 3 January 2021 00: 07
      +2
      and what is our old VO. ???. You registered on the forum just 2 days ago, December 31, 2020, and immediately both "our" and "advice" to admins.
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 6 January 2021 17: 52
        0
        Looking for
        Looking for
        3 January 2021 00: 07

        +1
        and what is our old VO. ???. You registered on the forum just 2 days ago - December 31, 2020 - and immediately both "our" and "advice" to admins
        Laughing: yes, that day ya flew in from another planet, made a new account in Yandex and VO. You figured it out with "our old VO".
        Why it shows the wrong registration date - I seriously don’t know.
        I apologize for the delayed response.
        Merry Christmas to you!
  25. Selevc
    Selevc 27 December 2020 00: 20
    +2
    Recently I talked with one acquaintance from Kharkov - this is how he told how Bandera's people operate in Kharkov since 14 ... They came to Kharkov and here they are partisans, but in a very organized way. All the years of Poroshenko's reign, they advertised themselves on every corner of Kharkov. Their goal is not power over all the townspeople - they are looking for ideological ones among the Kharkovites. Those who agree to fight with Russia seriously and for the last 5 years they have selected just such people from Kharkiv residents .. Unlike the various primitive titushki with bats there, these are organized and motivated. And they are very skillfully coordinated in the information space at the state level - where it is necessary to shout and where it is necessary to be silent and fog up ...

    That's it ... And I also want to say that the generation of old Soviet army cadres is leaving very quickly and they are being replaced by young ones for whom the Soviet past is a history or a beautiful fairy tale and this is at its best.
    Russia communicating at all political levels with Ukrainian politicians is actually talking to Bandera partisans !!! And what do you want from them ??? They do not care about everything - even a default, even a coronavirus, even a flood, even a 3rd world war - and so and so in the forest!
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 3 January 2021 00: 13
      +1
      the question is who will put them. if here. on a patriotic forum, it seems. half calls to "be friends" with them. and half is indulgent. without understanding the danger. coming from the "new Europeans."