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In Ukraine: Modernization of T-64 "Crab" tanks will be carried out without repeating Russian mistakes with T-72 and T-90

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In Ukraine: Modernization of T-64 "Crab" tanks will be carried out without repeating Russian mistakes with T-72 and T-90

The new Ukrainian tank T-64 "Crab" can become a symbiosis of "Bulat", T-64 of the 2017 model and T-84. Its modernization is carried out by the Kharkiv Morozov Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau (KMDB).


The Ukrainian press told what changes will be made to the design of the modernized combat vehicle in comparison with its predecessors from the domestic military industry and with modern Russian armored vehicles.

It is assumed that in this case, Ukrainian engineers will take into account the experience of combat use tanks in the Donbass and "will be able to avoid the mistakes of the Russians, which they made with the T-72 and T-90 in the course of modernization."


Strengthening the fire power of the "Crab" will be achieved by installing a new fire control system, an aiming system with a thermal imaging channel, as well as the integration of a high-precision "Combat". When using new devices that will occupy the regular places, it will be taken into account that the volume in the middle of the tower is limited.

Theoretically, you can add other devices, as in the Russian T-72B3 and the modernized T-90, where the issues of ergonomics and the possibility of their use by the crew members, according to the Ukrainian media, were not even considered. But in Ukraine they decided not to go this way.

The task of increasing the survivability of the Ukrainian tank "Bulat" was solved by installing elements of the built-in dynamic protection "Knife" in combination with passive armor. A similar path was followed in Russia, where the T-90M "Proryv" and T-72B3 use a similar "Relic" placement.

On the actual operation of "Bulat" in the troops revealed the operational shortcomings of this principle. Replacing this protection in the field is too time consuming, and a large weight negatively affects the running life.

Therefore, in Kharkov, they decided to install elements of dynamic protection in standard containers, which are already used on the T-64 of the 2017 model and on the T-80BV. Compared to the built-in protection of Bulat, they are much lighter and do not overload the tank.

The KMDB also decided not to repeat the "main mistake of Russian tank builders" - to install on new developments the engines used on the previous ones. As noted by the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, the modernized T-72 and T-90 use engines "developed for the T-34." The Russians simply put a more powerful turbine on the same engine. Over time, the power of tank engines increased from 500 horsepower to 1130. This boost reduces the engine's life and its reliability.

Therefore, a new 1000-horsepower 6TD-1 engine was developed for the "Crab". But this will require changes to the body due to the large dimensions of this motor.



This cumulative upgrade will allow the T-64 to continue its effective service in the Armed Forces. And after 2023, the updated "Oplot" will begin to enter the Ukrainian army. At least, such plans are being made in Ukraine itself.
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defence-ua.com
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  1. bk316
    bk316 24 December 2020 12: 54
    +44
    Therefore, for the "Crab" developed new 1000-horsepower engine 6TD-1. But it will require changes to the corpus due to the large dimensions of this motor.

    No chance. You can spoil the T-64 in this way, but you cannot get a new tank.
    Well, about 404, and there is no talk - again, they will do something like cut out a piece of armor, put the engine and cover it with a piece of tin. laughing
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 24 December 2020 13: 12
      +23
      They will put it on the back of the cart and will ride like that. The engine will be destroyed - the tank is whole, the tank will be destroyed - the engine is whole. Saving!
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 24 December 2020 13: 39
        +6
        Well this is plagiarism from damned Muscovites! They cannot accept this.
        https://topwar.ru/174492-dve-golovy-luchshe-rossijskij-dvuhzvennyj-tank-buduschego.html
    2. Simon
      Simon 24 December 2020 13: 38
      +10
      If they find more money for this! And then their budget is already bursting at the seams. wink
    3. georgiigennadievitch
      georgiigennadievitch 24 December 2020 13: 47
      +5
      The new engine, the new sighting device is good. Only everything is empty. In modern combat, these tanks will not reach the front edge, but will remain smoking on the way to it. It is not very clear with whom the Ukrainian soldiers are going to fight on them? If with Russia, then All these tank upgrades are empty and useless and costly measures. It is wiser to start melting this junk and sell the steel to someone else.
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 26 December 2020 10: 03
        0
        you do not understand wassat Ahressosr drives hundreds of thousands of recruits to Donetsk, but Nenko will not dare to bomb, all the more so outside its air force and air defense f22 and Patriot.
        and without a shchizy, anyone will say to these uncles sem sholbty ... and he can screw it up, they say, until he had time for us. here they brought up a tribe of non-slaves, 2 Koreas 2 India 2 China now here are 2 Russia. USA is not just the world leader in GDP. There is a complex of reasons here.
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 24 December 2020 13: 54
      +16
      Envy in silence! How much does the cut out piece of armor weigh? For how many pennies can it be handed over to a scrap metal collection point? For the sake of such a sheet of tin is not a pity!
    5. halpat
      halpat 24 December 2020 13: 56
      +8
      who tells them the names? "Crab":)
      Are they in WoT, perhaps they haven't played? :)
    6. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 24 December 2020 14: 07
      +5
      Quote: bk316
      but getting a new tank is not.

      Well, if only such
    7. avg
      avg 24 December 2020 14: 20
      +10
      Quote: bk316
      No chance. You can spoil the T-64 in this way, but you cannot get a new tank.

      It is important for them that it was not like the Muscovites. Remember the "commander" Semyon Semenchenko: "Well, we are experienced, then we will not attack like Zhukov ..." laughing
    8. svp67
      svp67 24 December 2020 17: 37
      +4
      Quote: bk316
      No chance.

      There is a chance. They may well use the Soviet experience of installing this engine on the T-64. In the mid-80s, this engine was run in the T-64 ...
      1. mark1
        mark1 26 December 2020 11: 53
        0
        Quote: svp67
        In the mid-80s, this engine was run in the T-64 ...

        T-64B1M was serially produced up to T-80 UD
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 December 2020 13: 17
          +1
          Quote: mark1
          T-64B1M was serially produced up to T-80 UD

          No, you have incorrect information. The T-64B1M is a tank without KUV (guided weapons complex) specially created under a contract with the Republic of Congo and is a modernization of the much earlier released T-64B tank, which was discontinued in 1987.
          1. mark1
            mark1 26 December 2020 14: 19
            0
            That's right, this is for the era of independence, but -
            On the basis of positive tests of the 6TD-1 engine on stands and in tanks, by order of the Minister of Defense CCC1 21.12.83/0262/64 No. 1, the upgraded T-6B1M tank with the XNUMXTD-XNUMX engine was adopted by the Soviet Army.
            (https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/47038.html). I specifically looked for this on the Internet for you, and since the mid-90s I have a handbook on the Soviet BT where the same is indicated. I do not refer to it for a simple reason - I am in the village without leaving, and I have it in my city apartment and, unfortunately, I cannot name it correctly and indicate the team of authors and the year of publication.
            1. svp67
              svp67 26 December 2020 15: 44
              0
              Quote: mark1
              On the basis of positive tests of the 6TD-1 engine on stands and in tanks, by order of the Minister of Defense CCC1 21.12.83/0262/64 No. 1, the upgraded T-6B1M tank with the XNUMXTD-XNUMX engine was adopted by the Soviet Army.

              Yes, there were such tanks, but they did not go into production ... They just acted as test benches, the troops did not wait for them. This is because the 6TD engine was very difficult to go into series.
              These tanks were in the tank battalion to support the educational process in our school, where they were tested.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 24 December 2020 12: 56
    +14
    The new Ukrainian tank T-64 "Crab" can become a symbiosis of "Bulat"

    It's not even funny ...
  3. Balaganov
    Balaganov 24 December 2020 12: 56
    +23
    At least cut me, even accuse me of treason, but I will still say that they paint well!
    1. prior
      prior 24 December 2020 13: 04
      +7
      Before the first mud ...
    2. kit88
      kit88 24 December 2020 13: 06
      +13
      Throw off your telephone. I also need to paint the bathroom.
      laughing
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 24 December 2020 14: 04
        +6
        Quote: kit88
        Throw off your telephone. I also need to paint the bathroom.

        They can
        1. businessv
          businessv 24 December 2020 14: 30
          +10
          Quote: Lipchanin
          They can

          Friends, please do not insult the painters! What you call square fence painting is not painting, but marking! They do not paint, but mark the territory like cats! Stripes on poles, fences and pipes are yellow - blue, these are not decorations, but marks! smile
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 24 December 2020 14: 35
            +5
            Quote: businessv
            Friends, please do not insult the painters!

            Not at all
            But not only painters can paint
            Not only electricians can screw in a light laughing
        2. silverura
          silverura 24 December 2020 19: 16
          +4
          They can
          As in the photo, we are 60 km away. from Moscow like mushrooms after rains. Looks like mine, though without symbols. Take a picture of yours, we will envy. Hehe.
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 December 2020 13: 12
      +6
      Quote: Balaganov
      At least cut me, even accuse me of treason, but I will still say that they paint well!

      Paint superpower.
    4. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 24 December 2020 13: 19
      +4
      Why work on content when you can just paint? laughing
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 24 December 2020 14: 00
      +17
      Quote: Balaganov
      At least cut me, even accuse me of treason, but I will still say that they paint well!

      Sometimes very good
      I just want to beat off my hands
  4. Morglenn
    Morglenn 24 December 2020 13: 00
    +28
    "The KMDB also decided not to repeat the" main mistake of Russian tank builders "- to install engines used on the previous ones on new developments." So isn't 6TD-1 a development of an old 5TD?
    "Therefore, a new 1000-horsepower 6TD-1 engine was developed for" Crab ". This is how the 6TD was developed in the 80s. It was installed on the T-64 and T-80 even in Soviet times. It is very difficult to call it new. Here or" the experts "screwed up or there was a mistake in the article.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 December 2020 13: 05
      +15
      Quote: Morglenn
      "The KMDB also decided not to repeat the" main mistake of Russian tank builders "-

      Right! We will make our mistakes! Even more than the Russians!
      Even in Soviet times, it was installed on the T-64 and T-80. It is very difficult to call it new. Here, either the "experts" screwed up or there was a mistake in the article.

      And this is like Vinokur. "Just think, the song was written 100 years ago, but I HAVE BEEN PERFORMED FOR THE FIRST TIME!
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 24 December 2020 20: 11
        +2
        "Just think, the song was written 100 years ago, and I HAVE BEEN PERFORMED FOR THE FIRST TIME! ...... to use and create these different actions, albeit in a single organism, like a man's penis and finger. The task is the same, but the functions are different, so here .the designer of tanks is a sculptor of a masterpiece and a tanker is a lover of sculpture
    2. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 24 December 2020 13: 07
      +4
      This is an incorrigible mistake in the mind of the Sumerians .. hi
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 24 December 2020 13: 09
      +4
      Here, either the "experts" screwed up or there was an error in the article
      This is not initially information for us, but for domestic consumption, and even for the common population, everything will work out there, whatever you say. It is said to calm them down that, they say, the peremoga is being prepared intensively. And who knows, remembers what they put on the T-80
    4. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 24 December 2020 13: 13
      +2
      well - for yelling "hurray" and throwing zhovto-blockit hats up laughing
    5. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 24 December 2020 14: 27
      +9
      As noted by the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, the modernized T-72 and T-90 use engines "developed for the T-34." The Russians simply put a more powerful turbine on the same engine.
      With the same success, we can say that Kharkovites use the same old German Jumo 205 engine on their tanks, slightly adapted for installation on tanks.

      Such forcing reduces the life of the motor and its reliability.
      5TDFMA ----- engine volume 13,6 liters, with power up to 1050 hp (at 3000 rpm)
      B-92 -------------------------------- 38,880 liters, with a power of 1000 hp (at 2000 rpm)
      And which of them is the most forced?
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 25 December 2020 12: 28
        -2
        fellow empty. there it turns out that the B2 resource from 150-300 hours by blowing up to 1000+ mares steadied in visible seconds 10 ... but about the DZ it is certainly a peremogue. she's straight better and better lol
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 25 December 2020 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: Evil Booth
          there it turns out that the resource B2 from 150-300 hours by blowing up to 1000+ mares

          Between 2001 and 2010, the T-90 tank became the best-selling tank on the world market, and this is with an engine that dies after 300 hours? Do you believe in what you wrote?
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 25 December 2020 15: 00
            0
            lol surrender to me that the problems in logic are not on my side. yes try to include sarcasm or some other modification. bully
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 25 December 2020 15: 13
              +1
              Quote: Evil Booth
              surrender to me that the problems in logic are not on my side. yes try to enable sarcasm or some other modification
              Yes of course .
  5. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 24 December 2020 13: 07
    +7
    The most innovative country! Every day there are new political, military, economic, social and cultural innovations. With the implementation, apparently they simply do not keep up with the stream of innovations. As a result, the penultimate place in Europe in terms of poverty.
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 24 December 2020 13: 07
    +10
    But what about NATO standards ????? belay
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 25 December 2020 15: 12
      +3
      tse Moskalskaya propoganda! NATO will switch to Crab winked
  7. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 24 December 2020 13: 08
    +5
    And you friends, how do you not sit down, everyone is no good for musicians .. what new / old BT from Ukraine could become a real competitor, such a "wrong" T-72b3 and T-90 in metal?
  8. Bradley
    Bradley 24 December 2020 13: 09
    +4
    The most important thing to do is to move the BC to the tower niche, by analogy with Leclerc and Type-90.
    The most painful point in terms of the survivability of the T-64/72/80/90 crew is the BC in the BO. But yes, we really need a new tower and a new AZ.
    1. voronin
      voronin 24 December 2020 13: 36
      +15
      Quote: Bradley
      really need a new tower and a new AZ

      A new layout is needed here. Then you get a completely different tank.
      And what they voiced is to shaman with a limited budget.
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 24 December 2020 13: 37
        +3
        A new layout is needed here. Then you get a completely different tank.

        Yes, that's right.

        And what they voiced is to shaman with a limited budget

        Rather, "bring the marafet".
    2. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 24 December 2020 14: 45
      +2
      They made such towers before: T-55AGM and T-84-120 Yatagan.
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 24 December 2020 14: 50
        +1
        They made such towers before: T-55AGM and T-84-120 Yatagan.

        Moreover, there is experience.
    3. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 25 December 2020 15: 16
      0
      Try to do something else before making conclusions. as an option, this can be a weight calculation, let's say the entire projectile is 1,2 meters (40 for gunpowder + 80 body of the BPS (60fz)), okay, even if it will be a unitar like in Abrams, and only PS projectiles and their equal mass, + ton the weight of the gun then and so on. and metal
      and fuel and engine and chassis tsanet more okay .. just 2 pieces of iron 1,2 by 0,6 meters is iron 600 kg + the shells themselves are heavier. and before they were punched at the bottom and they tore off the tower. armor there was 80, here 50 and now they are pierced in the tower and they tear off the towers. + it's easier to get into the tower than into the bottom of the hull ... there are several more reasons. but for some reason they don't want to alter the weight of the t90 for your conclusion crying
    4. ermolenkomb
      ermolenkomb 29 December 2020 10: 49
      0
      Believe me, in the turret niche, the BP is much more vulnerable to airborne attacks (and this happens much more often in a real situation than hitting the frontal projection). If in Tshki the BP protects either the main reservation in front, or the engine plus aft armor, or a sandwich onboard shields with DZ + track links + side armor, in M1, Leo-2, Lerklerk-2 tanks this is only 100 mm equivalent, not more, and without remote sensing. If, say, the tank is dug in, or is in a caponier or other cover (or simply moves over rough terrain), the BP is simply invulnerable on the T-shk
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 December 2020 13: 13
    +2
    Circus with horses, banderlog tell everyone how they will (and will) modernize their tanks. This is for what, or advice is asked how best?
  10. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 24 December 2020 13: 13
    +4
    What are they smoking? The T-64 engine from the T-90 simply will not fit. 5 TDs are much smaller in size.
    And the most important thing is why the engine on the B2 line was not abandoned in favor of any TD, this is a much higher torque. The power that the successor B2 engine gives out is much greater.
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 December 2020 13: 39
      +6
      The T-64 engine from the T-90 simply will not fit

      That is it. The task is practically insoluble. We must do something with the body.
      The alternative is to rearrange everything, well, this is a new tank.
      Well, knowing 404, they will cut a hole in the case, insert the engine and weld on the tin casing.

  11. APASUS
    APASUS 24 December 2020 13: 21
    +6
    Comparing the Ukrainian T-64 and the modernization of the T-72B3, and even more so with the T-90, is simply ridiculous. The mention of Russian mistakes could be taken seriously if Ukraine had at least a couple of regiments of the modernized T-64, otherwise everyone was sawing garbage and still the Russians are to blame
    1. Maikcg
      Maikcg 24 December 2020 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Mentioning Russian mistakes

      You don’t understand, this is different, in Russia it’s the same only girshe (s)
  12. Maikcg
    Maikcg 24 December 2020 13: 32
    +11
    The first copy of this modernization program
    1. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh 24 December 2020 23: 51
      0
      I'm embarrassed to ask, is this a real pepelatsa or a toad?)))))
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 26 December 2020 13: 03
        +1
        Real. One farmer decided that he was Elon Musk and welded his tank with a tractor and anti-cumulative grates.
  13. Andrea
    Andrea 24 December 2020 13: 35
    +5
    I blinded him from what was ...
    But what about de-Sovietization? This is a joyous sultry - everything is Soviet!
  14. Svetlana
    Svetlana 24 December 2020 13: 49
    +7
    Errors and shortcomings, the tenth case and the Kharkiv Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering named after Morozov will develop and issue all the necessary documentation for modernization. At the same time, within the framework of R&D, he modernizes a couple of three cars. But for more in Ukraine there will be neither capacity, nor money, nor motivation.
    In the end, they will buy either leopards or abrams at the suggestion of amers. For the West needs buyers and not producers.
  15. ioan-e
    ioan-e 24 December 2020 14: 10
    +2
    And after 2023, the updated "Oplot" will begin to enter the Ukrainian army

    Machine guns can not do it normally, but here "Strongholds", and even updated! laughing
  16. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 24 December 2020 14: 38
    +1
    Therefore, a new 1000-horsepower 6TD-1 engine was developed for the "Crab". But this will require changes to the body due to the large dimensions of this motor.

    Wasn't 6TD on the T-80BV? Strange innovations, like, in principle, everything in 404))) laughing
  17. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 December 2020 15: 40
    +1
    Velikokry spoiled the T-64 with their crooked paws. So much so that they preferred the usual 64.
    And the T-72B3, threshed them in tail and mane, tore them to shreds.
  18. Urs
    Urs 24 December 2020 22: 32
    +1
    Well, the article may not be bad, but a large number of oversights nullify everything.
    The 6TD engine is not a very successful evolution of the 5TDF. Design developments began in the mid-80s, but came to a standstill due to the inability to solve the chronic diseases of the progenitor (I was prpo 5tdf). Development was handed over to the archive due to hopelessness, but here it is suddenly "a new 1000 - strong engine 6TD-1 ". Unfortunately, it is not possible to stick anything else into the MTO without a radical redrawing of the hull. The fire control system, yes, the Kharkovites still have documents on the promising developments of completely new LMS, already adapted to the existing T64B1 towers, by the way LMS 1G42-44 is just from these developments, so if you make brain efforts, then with the use of modern technologies you can get och not even a bad OMS. As for active protection systems, I don’t know what they have there. BUT BUT BUT here we have a very serious problem in the form
    chronic inadequate funding for both R&D and experimental development, one sample does not need at least 10-15 experimental machines, well, time with such support is also necessary for 5 years, so on paper and in language you can glue a cool car but not a tank negative .
    Well, the sacramental phrase "I DO NOT BELIEVE" in the reality of all this sounds in the end. stop
  19. alexniko77
    alexniko77 25 December 2020 08: 51
    +1
    crab builders, damn it ...
  20. Growlers
    Growlers 25 December 2020 10: 48
    +2
    All these arguments are nothing more than the good intentions of people who either do not know the state of Ukrainian industry or are very cunning. If the questions with the stuffing that can be purchased in the West and in the same Russia by smuggling are understandable, it is only worth noting that the question of mass character is not worth it because of very modest funding. This is not the main thing, but where do the "Ukrainian engineers" get the armored hulls and gun barrels, which plant in Ukraine produces them? The answer is simple, tank cemeteries. That's the whole Ukrainian industry ............
  21. Momotomba
    Momotomba 25 December 2020 20: 26
    +1
    How do you call a yacht, so it will float ... "Krvb", personally for me, is not associated with an attack weapon
  22. mu1972
    mu1972 25 December 2020 20: 33
    +1
    uh huh! and as always in one raw version !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  23. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 25 December 2020 21: 06
    +2
    The end of the tank. They'll fight the money, show the model, hand it over for scrap and forget. They cannot create anything new. T64 already has an innovative engine, otherwise - innovative crap.
  24. d1975
    d1975 26 December 2020 11: 54
    0
    Laugh, do not laugh, just as the coins will be at least a little, all this iron will climb to Donbass, they will not rivet it for export, you need to think about how to withstand this collision. You can't fight on vacationers alone. The whole policy of 404 is to annoy Mother Russia as much as possible. Only one thing so far pleases, the chieftain's treasury is empty. It means that all this will remain on paper only.
  25. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 27 December 2020 10: 39
    +1
    Where are they going to get the raw T-64 armor? The chassis is weak, the tracks ...
  26. tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 29 December 2020 10: 25
    0
    What can I say!?!? If in a country where tankers are commanded by a sailor (who has never been at sea), the sailors are commanded by a tanker who has reborn from a chauffeur - a guard. Now the next modernization of t64 is underway, (for the introduction and implantation of invented fairy tales into t64) they will saw the loot and that's it.
  27. mih52
    mih52 29 December 2020 16: 47
    0
    Those. will they get from the warehouses those tanks that have not yet rusted through and will make a "new" Crab out of them?)))