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Long-range ammunition load of the S-500 air defense system without embellishment. Exo-atmospheric interception is questionable

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Announced a few days earlier by the EurAsian Times with reference to Russian military-analytical portals, the ability of the promising S-500 Prometheus (55R6M Triumfator-M) anti-aircraft missile system to intercept hypersonic (with a speed of up to 15,6M) subtle means of aerospace attack of the enemy by means of 10,3-swing anti-missiles with an unnamed index, once again provoked lively discussions in domestic observer circles.


In particular, the alleged effectiveness of Prometheus in countering exoatmospheric ballistic targets on the marching sections of trajectories, as well as endoatmospheric warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles that crossed the Karman line at an altitude of 100 km (on the descending branch of the trajectory).

Long-range missile interceptor 77N6-N1 - an improved constructive analogue of the 9M82MV anti-aircraft missile from the S-300V4 ammunition


The emergence of such interest is not surprising at all.

Indeed, in addition to the parameters of the S-500 air defense system given by the EurAsian edition, the notorious militaryrussia.ru portal and other domestic military-technical resources, referring to competent sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense and the headquarters of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, indicate the ability of promising missiles - interceptors 77N6-N / 1 to intercept both high-speed aerodynamic and ballistic targets in the dense layers of the atmosphere, and endoatmospheric objects at altitudes from 185 to 200 km and more.

Undoubtedly, the established tradition of significantly overestimating the tactical and technical parameters of advanced air defense-missile defense systems at various stages of development is characteristic of both the Pentagon and the key American military-industrial corporations Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, as well as representatives of the Russian defense department and JSC "Concern VKO" Almaz-Antey ".

And as we were able to make sure in the course of a more detailed analysis of the sketch of the 77P6 launcher, as well as the design and aerodynamic layout of the alleged 77N6-N / 1 missiles (sketches of these products appeared on the pages of numerous military-technical portals in the period from 2013 to 2019), not the promising S-500 "Prometey" air defense system was also an exception.

In particular, having familiarized yourself with the technical sketches and drawings of the 77P6 self-propelled launcher, presented to the public on June 10, 2011, as part of a demonstration of special equipment in Bronnitsy near Moscow, it is not difficult to come to the conclusion that we have an upgraded 9A82M4 ( The standard version is integrated into the S-300V4 military anti-aircraft missile systems), equipped with two 1460-mm transport and launch containers about 12 m long (versus 10,53 m for the 9A82M4) to accommodate the 77N6-N / 1 air defense missile systems.

In the same turn, the 77N6-N / 1 SAM is an improved modification of the 9M82MV ultra-long-range anti-aircraft guided missile with a more massive and "long-playing" solid-propellant charge of the first (starting) stage, increasing the 77N6-N1 range from 350-400 (for 9M82MV) to 500 –600 km respectively.

Meanwhile, the aerodynamic configuration "bearing cone" (with a similar area of ​​the mid-section) and the previous thrust of the solid propellant engine of the 9nd (combat) stage, characteristic of the 82M2MV missiles, provided only a slight increase in flight speed from 2600 to 3055 m / s (10,3M), which was indirectly confirmed by the data indicated by the "EurAsian Times".

As for the sounded maximum speed of targets hit by the 77N6-N1 missile defense system (15,6M = 4500 m / s), it fully and completely corresponds to the 9M82MV SAM indicators of the S-300V4 anti-aircraft missile system, ensuring the interception of most promising hypersonic aerospace enemy attacks both on colliding courses and in pursuit.

Consequently, no sensational information was presented in the EurAsian Times publication.

For the most objective assessment of the possibility of intercepting exoatmospheric targets by means of the 77N6-N1 SAM interceptors, first of all, it is necessary to pay attention to the architecture of the control system of the latter.

Based on the sketches published on the network, you involuntarily come to the conclusion that the combat stages of the 77N6-N1 SAM (as well as the 9M82MV) have only a block of four all-turning tail aerodynamic rudders, while four more cruciform planes are fixed tail stabilizers combat stage 77N6-N1.

Consequently, despite the highest energy potential and speed of the order of 11000 km / h, which provide the 77N6-N1 interceptor with the ability to fly along a ballistic trajectory with an apogee of the order of 100-120 + km, the effectiveness of aerodynamic controls will remain only in the upper layers of the stratosphere and the lower layers of the mesosphere ( 35–55 km), excluding the possibility of maneuvering in the lower layers of the thermosphere and intercepting exoatmospheric ballistic objects of the enemy, completely refuting the data of the militaryrussia.ru portal.

Nevertheless, such a possibility can be realized in the case of equipping the combat stages of the 77N6-N1 interceptors with "gas-dynamic belts" of transverse control engines (DPUs capable of functioning in extremely rarefied layers of the thermosphere) like the Mk 142 kinetic interceptors of the American SM-3 Block IA / IIA interceptors and super-maneuverable anti-aircraft missiles 9M96DM.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 04: 35
    0
    Consequently, no sensational information was presented in the EurAsian Times publication.
    And they wrote from hearsay, and understand this at times, or even an order of magnitude weaker than the author. So the next "sensation", even if it turns out to be true, is no longer perceived from such "news agencies".
    1. Umalta
      Umalta 25 December 2020 08: 23
      +24
      It is known that performance characteristics in Soviet times of various types of weapons were always underestimated, if at all became the property of discussions of foreign analysts of varying degrees of competence, and tradition is a very rigid thing.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 08: 25
        -3
        Quote: Umalta
        It is known that performance characteristics in Soviet times of various types of weapons were always underestimated.
        It's not really about that. It was the real (physical) characteristics that were not underestimated, but artificially decreased, in the article about advertising (on paper) values.
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 December 2020 08: 57
          +1
          It was not the real (physical) characteristics that were underestimated, but artificially decreased, while in the article about advertising (on paper) values

          Damantsev writes in black and white that
          Undoubtedly, the established tradition of significantly overestimating the tactical and technical parameters of advanced air defense-missile defense systems at various stages of development is characteristic of both the Pentagon and for representatives of the Russian defense department, and JSC "Concern VKO" Almaz-Antey ".

          ))))
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 09: 00
            +2
            Well, I see here:
            Quote: lucul
            at various stages of development
            those. there is no word about the real parameters based on the test results. Pure PeaR.
        2. Umalta
          Umalta 25 December 2020 08: 58
          +2
          I ask you to draw your attention to the fact that all samples of Soviet technology that fell into the hands of foreign specialists had artificially low performance characteristics, with the exception of betrayal - theft of a moment.
          1. Umalta
            Umalta 25 December 2020 09: 01
            +5
            I ask you to pay attention, although advertising is a trade engine, but it informs, it also misinforms to the same extent.
            1. Umalta
              Umalta 25 December 2020 09: 18
              +4
              I am not a techie, but a radiologist, a tsycologist, but I know how the "secret" works.
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 31 December 2020 12: 51
            0
            This is quite a reality ... The export Osa-ME had many times less letter (combat) frequencies of the RES than the Osa-M of the domestic fleet.
      2. Devil13
        Devil13 25 December 2020 09: 45
        +8
        It is known that detailed performance characteristics are not known.
        They write in speed - the maximum achievable speed (immediately after the fuel is completely used up), write in Range - the maximum ballistic range, write in altitude - if it is stupid up, etc.
        Real effective performance characteristics are the secret and secret of Punchinelle. I do not see here the calculation of the maximum impulse based on the mass and diameter of the rocket, I do not see any engineering analysis at all except "well, it looks like a s-300v".
        And what?
      3. A_Lex
        A_Lex 26 December 2020 01: 53
        -1
        in soviet time


        and tradition is a very rigid thing.


        It is inappropriate to talk about traditions, and even more so about the rigidity of traditions, if we remember that the Russian Federation is an anti-USSR.
      4. VasYok
        VasYok 28 December 2020 09: 35
        -2
        It is known that performance characteristics in Soviet times of various types of weapons were always underestimated, if at all became the property of discussions of foreign analysts of varying degrees of competence

        Why compare two completely different countries? Everything is for sale in Russia, right down to the FSB generals and ministers.
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  2. antivirus
    antivirus 28 December 2020 22: 23
    +1
    all the money in the new naval base - near Magadan.
    missiles for scrap.
    how they broke off Obama, a bright disarmament of the Perm factories ...
    Really, other developments in Russia will go into action, and the Vianos will not be built! hurray, we are breaking, the Swedes are bending (supporters of 10 aircraft carriers in the Northern Fleet)
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 25 December 2020 04: 53
    +11
    About zur 9M82MV I know for a long time ... it is said that this missile saved the S-300VM complex from its elimination, "as a class"! For the S-300VM, the 9M82MV zur with a range of 350 (400) km was developed earlier than the "notorious" 40N6 for the S-400! (40N6 was pursued by failures ... at that time I had to "agree" to the 9M82MV with the S-300VM complex ... in the latest modification of the S-300V4) But I did not know that the new 77N6-N / N1 was an upgrade of the 9M82MV! belay How did Damantsev learn such a military secret? request And about engines DPU agrees with him! I myself have a "weakness" for them! I believe that equipping missiles with DPU installations from 57E6 to 48N6,40N6 and beyond (!) Will significantly increase the effectiveness of anti-aircraft missiles!
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 25 December 2020 06: 10
      -8
      I like "successful" shooting at calculated points more - "always on target" .... lol
      1. Land defence
        Land defence 25 December 2020 07: 06
        +20
        Reminds "an atomic bomb always hits the epicenter of a nuclear explosion"
        1. novel66
          novel66 25 December 2020 07: 49
          +16
          for it has been said!
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    3. Fulcrumxnumx
      25 December 2020 11: 34
      +1
      http://bastion-karpenko.ru/s-500/ Да. Хотелось бы верить, что ДПУ все же будет дополнять аэродинамический блок управления 77Н6-Н
    4. Fulcrumxnumx
      25 December 2020 11: 47
      +1
      http://bastion-karpenko.ru/s-500/ Да. Хотелось бы верить, что ДПУ все же будет дополнять аэродинамический блок управления 77Н6-Н
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 25 December 2020 16: 32
        +2
        That is, you took the information from Karpenko? what But this is where the "catch" may be hidden! There was a time when I trusted Karpenko ... but somehow I ran into some nonsense ... In general, Karpenko posted information taken from the original source in "Bastion". But after a while, the information turned out to be "added and diluted" ... perhaps in order to make it more intriguing! Although in the original source everything remained the same ... Since then, my trust in Karpenko's website has been "undermined"!
        1. Fulcrumxnumx
          26 December 2020 14: 59
          -1
          Yes, Vladimir. Karpenko has a very informative resource. True, I once traced inaccuracies in his materials. Meanwhile, the geometric parameters and design features of the transport and launch containers of the future self-propelled PU 77P6 (previously shown in sketches at the expositions of the Almaz VKO Concern) indicate the maximum affinity with PU 9A82M ...
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 26 December 2020 15: 15
            +1
            Thank you for the clarification! hi Perhaps, in fact, in vain hastened to "take offense" at Karpenko for the mentioned case ... I will take into account your opinion!
            1. Fulcrumxnumx
              26 December 2020 16: 59
              0
              Not at all, thank you for your objective opinion ... hi good
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 25 December 2020 05: 16
    +6
    Consequently, no sensational information was presented in the EurAsian Times publication.

    Well, what kind of "sensation" can be presented without knowing all the currents of the structure and using only a picture or appearance. Only approximately, at the level of plus or minus a tram stop
    1. novel66
      novel66 25 December 2020 07: 50
      +5
      Serge! hi analytics from the corresponding word lol
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 25 December 2020 07: 54
        +1
        Paul hi
        So I'm talking about it, plus or minus the tram stop.
        There all the time "it is quite possible", "with a high degree of probability", "most likely" ...
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      3. Fulcrumxnumx
        26 December 2020 14: 48
        -2
        Who is talking about what, but "lousy" about the bath!)))
  • Putnik119
    Putnik119 25 December 2020 06: 38
    +3
    Boring. Every time the same thing - "cartoons", "does not work" and so on, so on. Who is Evgeny Damantsev? A 7th grade student in a special school for downs? The "analysts" got tired of it.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 28 December 2020 22: 28
      -1
      in the last century, the "children of Captain Grant" - honest actions and an understandable world ended.
      Damantsev never writes about theft. but about dubious waste - it means. doubt the key to success
  • iRoccka
    iRoccka 25 December 2020 06: 40
    +10
    the previous thrust of the solid propellant rocket engine of the 2nd (combat) stage provided only a slight increase in flight speed from 2600 to 3055 m / s (10,3M)

    slight increase? author, you are bad with math! an increase of 17,5% cannot be considered insignificant ...
  • Land defence
    Land defence 25 December 2020 07: 12
    +12
    All that I understood from the article is that the "old" SAM 9M82MV has very high characteristics even now. Although, at one time they wrote that the officials involved in the tests cheated with indicators for successful delivery.
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 25 December 2020 08: 00
    +4
    the picture is not from c500 so everything else of this um .. writer .. the same tailoring. repeat repeat
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 25 December 2020 09: 25
    +5
    Again Damantsev dug up something somewhere, he inquired himself, he denied it and shut up on an incomprehensible conclusion ... Why the article, the author? You won't be Skomarokhov ...
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 25 December 2020 11: 11
    +2
    "Undoubtedly, the established tradition of significantly overestimating the tactical and technical parameters of advanced air defense-missile defense systems at various stages of development is characteristic of both the Pentagon and the key American military-industrial corporations Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, as well as representatives of the Russian defense department, and JSC "Concern East Kazakhstan region" Almaz-Antey. "
    Beauty ... I remember that the S-200 "works" at a distance of up to 200 km. And the skakuass shot down the Tu-154 at a distance of approximately 270 km. Oh, the characteristics in advertising are too high ...
    And no one except the author even thought about the control of missiles to intercept "exoatmospheric targets". In the research institute there are adyes who do not even understand these questions laughing
  • Undecim
    Undecim 25 December 2020 12: 07
    +13
    Another portion of information blizzard from Damantsev.
    The end of this opus looks especially "purple":
    "Based on the sketches published on the network, you involuntarily come to the conclusion that the combat stages of the 77N6-N1 SAM (as well as the 9M82MV) have exclusively a block of four all-turning tail aerodynamic rudders, while four more cross-shaped planes are fixed tail combat stage stabilizers 77N6-N1.
    Consequently, despite the highest energy potential and speed of the order of 11000 km / h, which provide the 77N6-N1 interceptor with the ability to fly along a ballistic trajectory with an apogee of the order of 100-120 + km, the effectiveness of aerodynamic controls will remain only in the upper layers of the stratosphere and the lower layers of the mesosphere ( 35–55 km), excluding the possibility of maneuvering in the lower layers of the thermosphere and intercepting exoatmospheric ballistic objects of the enemy, completely refuting the data of the militaryrussia.ru portal.
    Nevertheless, such a possibility can be realized in the case of equipping the combat stages of the 77Н6-Н1 interceptors with "gas-dynamic belts" of transverse control engines (DPUs capable of functioning in extremely rarefied layers of the thermosphere) like the kinetic interceptors Mk 142 of the American SM-3 Block IA / IIA interceptors and super-maneuverable anti-aircraft missiles 9M96DM. "

    For the information of the author, there is not a single sketch of the transatmospheric kinetic interceptor SAM 77N6-N1 on the network. Therefore, the only information that can be gleaned from the above fragment is that the author does not understand at all what he is writing about.

    This is what the SM-3 Block IIA rocket looks like. As you can see, there are no "gas-dynamic belts" on it.
    And something like this looks like what is under the black fairing - Lightweight Exo-atmospheric Projectile (LEAP) - light transatmospheric kinetic projectile - The missile warhead is a highly maneuverable interceptor of direct hit Kill Vehicle (Destroyer). This part of the rocket is a technically sophisticated device that searches for, locks in, and then destroys a target using only the kinetic energy of a high-velocity strike. A special fairing covers the interceptor during the atmospheric part of the flight. This is necessary to reduce aerodynamic drag and protect against aerodynamic heating. The interceptor is equipped with a gyro-stabilized head homing, command-inertial control system, a computer, and a power source.

    But he has no "belt".
  • Volder
    Volder 25 December 2020 13: 32
    +2
    Damantsev builds his conclusions on 2011 data. Therefore, the article is biased.
  • A009
    A009 25 December 2020 15: 05
    +3
    Damantsev is such a Damantsev)
  • iouris
    iouris 25 December 2020 15: 35
    +1
    I shot and ... forgot.
  • O. Bender
    O. Bender 25 December 2020 16: 30
    0
    So maybe ... Damantsev looked at the wrong sketches. And then, as you like, you can show it for general use or for a puzzle at our sworn partners.
  • Cool but not Igor
    Cool but not Igor 25 December 2020 19: 59
    -2
    I do not understand, enlighten me, how an anti-missile having a speed of 3055 m / s (10,3M) can shoot down targets being hit in pursuit with a speed of 4500 m / s (15,6M) ?!
    I can still understand on a collision course, but again, how will she do this when maneuvering a target that has a speed half as high ?!
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 25 December 2020 20: 51
    +2
    On TV I watch regularly shooting at the S-400 air defense systems and all of them are aimed at high-altitude targets. Although when I myself was at the training grounds in Ashuluk. it was always shooting at the NLC. What's the catch?
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 25 December 2020 21: 04
    +1
    Again or again ... The same special in missiles, like me. Why carry nonsense?
  • Bryanskiy_Volk
    Bryanskiy_Volk 25 December 2020 21: 16
    +4
    Fact: if you recognize this author by the title of the article, then you are definitely an aboriginal on this site laughing
    1. sav
      sav 27 December 2020 14: 43
      +11
      Quote: Bryanskiy_Volk
      then you are definitely an aboriginal on this site

      Not a fact ... I've just recently, and Eugene is already guessing yes
  • Runway
    Runway 26 December 2020 00: 36
    +3
    I read the title. Twice skipped a beat in the chest at the phrase "long-range ammunition" and "endoatmospheric interception." "Damantsev !?" - a thought flashed .... I guess right.
  • Russian2020
    Russian2020 26 December 2020 08: 16
    0
    They will write nasty things about the vaccine, or they will write about Russian weapons, damn liberals
    1. VasYok
      VasYok 28 December 2020 09: 49
      -1
      bloody liberals

      What power, so are the liberals.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 28 December 2020 17: 58
        +3
        It's funny, especially if you don't know that Nikolai Mizulin is married to the daughter of a famous Spanish writer and they have two children. Before you post pictures from Zen or Pikabu (very "valuable" sources of information), you would first study the issue.
        1. VasYok
          VasYok 1 January 2021 23: 57
          -1
          It's funny. And how does this contradict his combination of legal marriage in Seattle with the son of the ex-Minister of Education of Russia Andrei Fursenko? (The solemn event took place on June 29, 2015)
  • ppgt90
    ppgt90 26 December 2020 10: 16
    +3
    Another rubbish with a claim to "nightmarish cleverness". The stupid author ran into some fabrications, not even understanding the essence of the issue. Only an absolutely narrow-minded person can allow himself some "reflections" without having an idea of ​​the subject of these "reflections". The performance characteristics of the S-500 are known ONLY to a CERTAIN CIRCLE of specialists and in no case will leak into public or other sources. What kind of ram would go public with their military secrets? These homebrew "experts" got it. Those who REALLY KNOW will never use their tongues to talk, especially not in any forums.
  • Vladimir Vlasov
    Vladimir Vlasov 27 December 2020 19: 00
    -1
    Enemies carefully monitor all our secret rocket developments, especially from above and from space they see everything, all tests. And until they screech with fear in all the media, it means that they are not afraid of anything, it means that they have technologies that cancel all the high performance characteristics of our aircraft. And that's bad. It is urgent to introduce breakthrough technologies that increase the speed of missiles several times and solve all technological problems with hypersound. Such technologies exist in Russia.
  • VasYok
    VasYok 28 December 2020 09: 41
    0
    Consequently, no sensational information was presented in the EurAsian Times publication.

    Another exposure of the myth of the "great and mighty". This is becoming a tradition.
    https://topwar.ru/177899-oniks-vmesto-cirkona.html
  • General failure
    General failure 30 December 2020 17: 41
    0
    It's amazing what profound conclusions you can come to after studying sketches.

    It's like, after studying the parameters of the figure of Marilyn Monroe, to say "well, a woman is like a woman, and why everyone admires her so much."
  • tezey
    tezey 30 December 2020 18: 17
    0
    It's stupid to discuss what you don't know. A link to some military analytical portals, which in turn refer to some representatives, this is from the category, one grandmother said.
  • vair
    vair 31 December 2020 10: 45
    -1
    I do not agree with the author about the overstatement of performance characteristics by our military! In the Soviet army, and later in the Russian performance characteristics, they deliberately underestimated! It was always a surprise only at the stage of application! And all the husks are driven by pseudoexpers with bloggers!
  • Cynic
    Cynic 1 January 2021 13: 49
    0
    And why not surprised by this material, but by earlier VO materials. Everything was endured in the color of the imperative: Smile, everything is bad and tomorrow it will be even worse ...
  • viktor_47
    viktor_47 2 January 2021 10: 27
    0
    The need to equip all interceptor missiles with "gas-dynamic belts" of transverse control engines is an urgent task, since even the M-42 Himars (USA) and the Ukrainian "Alder" multiple launch rocket systems are equipped with such systems that allow for evasive maneuvers with an overload of up to 55 units.
  • Analkara
    Analkara 10 January 2021 13: 41
    0
    Here in the title the word "exoatmosphere" is immediately striking, which highlights the author's illiteracy. The next time you write conspiracy opuses, write correctly, and do not exercise
    in writing new words.