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Why are they killing the Russian school?

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Why are they killing the Russian school?

Dumb and Dumber



In the 1970s, it became obvious that the late capitalist society (like the socialist one) is more complex than the existing system of government. Any such control system (subsystem) must be more complex than the controlled object, otherwise a catastrophe cannot be avoided. For thousands of years, the elite has been much higher in terms of cultural, educational, organizational, scientific and technical levels. However, over the past two hundred years (and especially in the XNUMXth century), the situation has begun to change. Economic, scientific, technical and educational progress has constantly increased the socio-political and educational competence of society. At some point, this literacy of the lower classes began to threaten the positions of the upper classes, their status, power and, accordingly, their property.

I had to urgently do something. Either the tops themselves sharply raise their threshold of morality, or "lower" (cultivate) the masses to a safe educational level. It is obvious that the Western elites have relied on the simplification and degradation of the masses.

After all, in order for the relatively dumb elite to rule, the masses must become even dumber. The approach taken by the elite was simple: "dumb and dumber."

At the same time, the cultural and educational level of the representatives of the upper classes themselves also sank. For example, in recent decades we have been witnessing a serious degradation of the management elite, especially in the West. The current managers are faceless, gray, often downright stupid. No new Churchills, Roosevelts and de Gaulles.

The same scheme (primitivization of the population) was implemented in most of the world, subject to managerial impulses from the West. The only exceptions were some Asian countries, where they preserved their traditions and used the achievements of the Soviet school (for example, China).

The destruction of the education system proceeded in parallel with the cultural, mental and physical degradation of the masses. In particular, the project "sex, drugs and rock" was used for this. The sexual revolution, drugs and decaying music (which was constantly simplified down to the present pop and rap) led to the destruction of traditional values ​​and the family, to the growth of diseases.
The spiritual, cultural and physical level of the population has dropped significantly.

By the turn of XX – XXI centuries, involution, degradation of all mankind began. Moreover, everything developed very rapidly.

Crowds of new barbarians began to fill the planet.

The era of neo-barbarism


The simplification of education, art and culture led to the emasculation of the creative, creative principle of man, to the substitution of training for creation (a system of tests). Also, the possibility of systems analysis and critical thinking was destroyed.

First, this happened in the West, then (after the collapse of the USSR) in the post-Soviet space and in Russia.

So, earlier at the concerts of the satirist, writer Mikhail Zadornov, they laughed at "stupid Americans". Who believed that it was they who defeated Napoleon and Hitler. But relatively little time has passed, and we see that new generations of Russian citizens are becoming just as stupid.

Education was the first to sink to the bottom in Little Russia (Ukraine), where the "Ukrainization" of consciousness was carried out. Now "true Ukrainians" believe that Oleg the Prophet and Yaroslav the Wise are "ukry", and the Ukrainian fronts (supposedly consisting of Ukrainians) "liberated Europe."

Today the situation is about the same in Russia. Creative circles, palaces of culture, chess and mathematics were replaced by McDonald's chains and entertainment and shopping centers. And also on the digital web, which entertains children and young people day and night. Modern children today know well who Spider-Man and Batman are. But, alas, they already do not know (a mystery) who are Perun, Svyatogor, Alexander Yaroslavich, Rokossovsky, Alexander Matrosov and Ivan Kozhedub.

It will get even worse. When the remnants of the Soviet education system die along with the last teachers of the old school.

The era of complete digitalization of the school is coming. This digitalization will solve several important problems facing the global elite at once. The system of control over people (including the social rating of each) will be finally formed. With the destruction of the middle class, new layers of rich and poor will be formed. Completed the task of simplifying (primitivizing / degrading) the school. New slaves will only need to be able to read and follow instructions from digital devices (gadgets).

Based on these goals, the classical Russian (Soviet) school in Russia was destroyed.

Thus, international structures (for example, the World Bank and the IMF) back in the 1990s set the Russian government with the tasks of a "transition" period, which led to the destruction of the Russian education system. Without fulfilling these conditions, a credit line and access to the world financial system were closed for Moscow.

As a result, dozens of pedagogical institutes and thousands of preschool institutions were closed in the Russian Federation, the system of vocational and technical education (the basis of an independent national economy) was destroyed. Creative educational institutions under the Minister of Education (under A. Fursenko) were on the verge of destruction.

The world's best creative education has been crushed. Fursenko in 2007 considered that

“… The disadvantage of the Soviet education system was the attempt to form a person-creator. And now the challenge is to nurture a qualified consumer who can skillfully use the results of the creativity of others. "

Schools were left without money, equipment and teachers. The time has come for a tough staff shortage. The elite introduced destructive federal educational standards, which dealt a blow to the single educational space and shattered the system.

The era of merger, consolidation and pseudo-optimization began. And the era of the closure of now economically ineffective (unnecessary) schools. If by 1994 there were over 68,8 thousand schools in the country, now we have no more than 40 thousand educational institutions left.

The Russian higher education in Russia was also subjected to murderous optimization, and half of the military schools were liquidated. A series of mergers and consolidations of institutes, universities and colleges dealt a powerful blow to the education system. Destroyed the existing scientific and teaching teams.

Classical Russian university education was split into balacavrias and magistracy. As a result, the vast majority of young people in Russia today have become holders of crusts about incomplete, in fact, higher education.

It is for this that the Ministry of Education has dragged the Western Bologna system and the Unified State Exam to us, practically eliminating the quality and status of classical Russian education.

Now at stake is an attacking distance and a cynical figure. They will now finally finish off the free, mass and classical school for the people.

Course on the regression of education


They tried to cut the school down to a place where the student will receive a set of minimal knowledge (preferably of a commercial nature). The school has undergone bureaucracy.

Teachers, parents and students were divided by various barriers. Teachers and professors were forced to fill out a huge amount of unnecessary documents, certificates, reports. It was a strong blow to educational work.

Education Ministers Fursenko and Livanov “worked” so well on the Russian school that, in essence, they fulfilled Hitler’s program, in which the Russians needed to be able to count to 100, read, know the rules of the road, sing, dance and imagine where the capital of the Reich is ...

In principle, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who is allowed to cut the truth, in 2012, during the discussion of the bill "On Education in the Russian Federation", honestly admitted:

“The better the education, the faster the revolution will take place and destroy those who introduced this education system. Therefore, the instinct of self-preservation is triggered by the authorities, it introduces a low level of education. "

G. Gref has expressed himself more than once in the same spirit.

Back in 2016, the project "Modern digital educational environment" was adopted. Within its framework, the teacher loses its traditional functions, becomes the curator of a “herd” of impersonal students, presenting their digital skills in pictures-slides (somehow reading and counting at least to 100).

For the complete subordination of teachers, a new form of attestation is being introduced - unified federal assessment materials (an analogue of the USE for teachers).

By 2025–2030 a complete transition to a digital school is planned. At the head of these transformations are the pro-Western Higher School of Economics, the Moscow School of Management, the Skolkovo Foundation and the Agency for Strategic Initiatives led by Gref. In fact, they represent a financial business closely associated with the global financial oligarchy. Plus, the interests of world digital corporations are being realized.

As a result, such people as Fursenko, Livanov and Gref are forming (corresponding to the request of the world elites) a system of pseudo-education for the masses, which will forever secure for Russia the status of a semi-colonial periphery of the West and the East.

In the West, this approach to education in the Russian Federation (a course towards lowering quality and regression) is naturally quite satisfactory. Since he forever erases Russia and Russians from the avant-garde stories and pushes Russian civilization to the sidelines of the world.

The society of consumers (slaves), which cannot and should not create anything, have no chance to resist the “digital trendsetters”. Therefore, all the recent "reforms" of education in the Russian Federation are a blow to our future and our independence. This is an attempt to change our national code and the vector of development of Russian civilization.

There is nothing more than an educational (information and cultural) war against the Russian people and against Russia.

And this war is being waged today within our country. Through (in essence) the sterilization and emasculation of the Russian elementary, secondary and higher schools. With the aim of destroying the progressive spirit of Ivan the Terrible and Suvorov, Lomonosov and Pushkin, Tolstoy and Korolev in the Russians.

Will we agree to become the impersonal, illiterate slaves of the new digital world order?
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  1. Eldorado
    Eldorado 25 December 2020 18: 06
    90 th
    Fierce delirium ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 December 2020 18: 08
      77
      Quote: El Dorado
      Will we agree to become the impersonal, illiterate slaves of the new digital world order?

      Fierce truth .. If you have children and you are interested in how they study and what programs they use .. and even if there is an opportunity to compare with Soviet education .. then you will understand ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 25 December 2020 18: 12
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        The world's best creative education has been shattered.

        It is much easier for idiots and ignoramuses to hang noodles on their ears. And under this accompaniment to do dark deeds and popular goods in the pockets of your own and "friends", to shove.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 25 December 2020 18: 39
          23
          Surprisingly, many "USE victims" graduated from school long before its introduction. (c) what
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 25 December 2020 18: 43
            +3
            There are plenty of them here. A clever mine doesn't stick to a dull grimace, but it still puffs. lol
            1. Rusland
              Rusland 25 December 2020 18: 59
              26 th
              Quote: lexus
              There are plenty of them here. A clever mine doesn't stick to a dull grimace, but it still puffs. lol

              Yeah, Lech with android is your brother or sister?
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 25 December 2020 19: 04
                +2
                Past the bird.
                1. Rusland
                  Rusland 25 December 2020 19: 11
                  14 th
                  Quote: lexus
                  Past the bird.

                  Milo replied how discreet. smile
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 31 December 2020 00: 49
              0
              Of course, he pressed the button, expressed "fi". No need to justify! My favorite saying, 10 years old: There are more idiots than you think.
          2. Fat
            Fat 26 December 2020 11: 36
            +2
            But nothing surprising. The author took a very sharp look at the reforms after 1991. However, not a word about Soviet reforms. Under I.V. Stalin developed a secondary education system very reminiscent of a "classical grammar school". But after his death, system reforms were carried out every decade. In the 80s, there were already two in 1984 and 1989. After the 1984 reform, the authority of the teaching profession fell so much that the saying became popular: "There is no mind - go to the pedagogue (institute)." This is because the USSR could not economically pull universal secondary education. In general, ALL reforms of secondary education in the USSR since the middle of the fifth decade of the last century have failed.
            Substation There were periods in the history of the USSR when the 10-year entrance was paid ... they got along with the obligatory seven-year plan.
            1. Plastmaster
              Plastmaster 26 December 2020 19: 18
              -1
              Quote: Thick
              This is because the USSR could not economically pull universal secondary education.

              All because there was an extra crowd in the educational system, where else could the graduate go? They did not go according to interest and vocation, just for show. And they stayed to work, those who have no place to go, or to their liking. But there are more of the former.
              1. Fat
                Fat 26 December 2020 20: 11
                +1
                In Stalin's times, the teacher was practically equated with the military. Teachers were simply encouraged for long service, with all the consequences ... The reform of 1957 abolished this, and in general, it was so senseless that already in 1965 everything had to be reformed again.
                Secondary education has always been in dire need of personnel, but when a mandatory minimum of 10 years was introduced in vocational schools, the personnel shortage became severe. Teachers have to be paid, they have to maintain an educational base, methodological aids and textbooks to buy. My father worked in high school from 1947 to 84. It was he who said that the idea of ​​obliging EVERYONE with secondary education is hopeless. Therefore, he retired on a well-deserved pension, although he could still work. Before leaving, he earned about 300 rubles, and young teachers a little, at best, half as much.
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 31 December 2020 00: 51
              +2
              In general, ALL secondary education reforms in the USSR since the middle of the fifth decade of the last century have failed.
              Don't you think that this was preparation for the collapse of the USSR? To me, for a long time. It all started with NSX, not by nightfall, be remembered.
        2. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer 25 December 2020 19: 22
          +6
          We were smart and educated as.
          1. Vasiliev S.
            Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 33
            +4
            So you were smart only by your own ideas
            1. mr.ZinGer
              mr.ZinGer 26 December 2020 08: 48
              +2
              I agree with you
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 31 December 2020 00: 52
            +1
            There is such a thing - propaganda is called. If you repeat it for a long time, it eats up and you already believe. Does not depend on the level of intelligence. Only critical thinking helps.
        3. Ulysses
          Ulysses 25 December 2020 21: 41
          0
          Smart guy under the Soviet flag.
          Can you answer intelligibly to the former political officer of the SA, why did the Soviet people, who received the best education in the world, flock to Kashpirovsky's sessions and put cans of water for Chumak in front of the screens ??

          Chumak
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 22: 06
            +9
            Quote: Ulysses
            Can you answer intelligibly to the former political officer of the SA, why did the Soviet people, who received the best education in the world, flock to Kashpirovsky's sessions and put cans of water for Chumak in front of the screens ??

            Look at here:
            1. Ulysses
              Ulysses 25 December 2020 23: 07
              -5
              I do not want to look at the links, I need you, your arguments.
              There is no need to hide behind the backs of Puchkov and Zhukov.

              I really got sick when the Soviet people froze in the pose of Banderlog in front of TV screens, where they were stupidly fooled by charlatans like Kashpirovsky.
              Soviet Education turned out to be nothing in front of the life-giving banks of Chumak ..

              Now you are offering me Puchkov's sessions ..

              From myself that is, what to say?
              1. Vladimir247
                Vladimir247 25 December 2020 23: 38
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                Ulysses
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                Well, just the same all the Soviet people? Yes, there were quite a few of them.
                Education by itself means little. And even then, to a greater extent, by the end of the 80s it had already been brought to Western standards, no matter how paradoxical it sounds. It all started much earlier. Not in the 80s. And in 1953, after Stalin's death.
                Abolished "logic", there was such a subject in the school curriculum. It seems like a trifle ... however, people still firmly believe that in the West they ate fresh strawberries, and in the USSR, rotten vegetables ... recourse
                But if they learned to think logically correctly, then everyone would realize that the situation was exactly the opposite. For weeks, they lay, and even now vegetables and fruits are lying in stores on an ice cushion ... and this is called fresh ?! Any product in Soviet vegetable stores was an order of magnitude fresher than any Western store ... because without cold it withers faster, and then just rots. The traders called him perishable.
                So much for your education laughing ....
                They didn't teach me to think, that's what is bad. Listen to what the Kovidobesses are saying from the screens .... their ears fade.
                Education is one thing, but "thinking" is another.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 26 December 2020 00: 13
                17
                Quote: Ulysses
                I do not want to look at the links, I need you, your arguments.
                There is no need to hide behind the backs of Puchkov and Zhukov.

                Well, in general, Puchkov and Zhukov would tell you much better than me. But if you want to hear exactly my arguments, if you please))))
                Above, the commentator wrote, I agree with him, but I would like to add. In addition to trusting official sources, the Soviet man treated strangers with confidence, until they prove the opposite. Today we have to do the opposite. All these Kashperovskys, Chumaks and others were presented as a miracle, like hypnosis, meditation, levitation and other pseudo-scientific things, were presented as truth, almost as a proven scientific fact. By the way, not everyone "charged the water" at the TV. In my department (electronics engineers), no one took them seriously, by the way my parents (technical education), they did not sit in front of the TV. MMM and other pyramids, this is, again, trust in TV + financial illiteracy (where does financial literacy come from?). The Soviet people were too gullible, but this is not a question of education, but a question of upbringing. Today, many people of the older generation trust television just as recklessly, how does the charlatan Malysheva differ from Kashperovsky and Chumak?
                1. Vasiliev S.
                  Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 35
                  -9
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  In my department (electronics engineers)
                  Weren't there any torsion bearers either?
                2. Hagen
                  Hagen 26 December 2020 07: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  A Soviet person treated strangers with confidence until they prove the opposite.

                  I think that the absence or lack of critical thinking is not merit, but rather a lack of personality development and a weak position in society.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 27 December 2020 17: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    A Soviet person treated strangers with confidence until they prove the opposite.

                    I think that the absence or lack of critical thinking is not merit, but rather a lack of personality development and a weak position in society.

                    Where did you see the lack of critical thinking here? This is a feature of Soviet education.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 27 December 2020 17: 52
                      -1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Where did you see the lack of critical thinking here?

                      Excessive trust arises against the background of a lack of critical thinking. And it is no longer important as a result of which it arose. Though it fell from the sky. Another thing is important - this phenomenon served as one of the reasons for the excessive trust in the propaganda machine of the West in the late 80s and the non-resistance of the collapse of the USSR by the rotten top of the CPSU. And when a whole secretary general shows confidence in a potential enemy only on the condition of a verbal promise and a handshake, then this is also a diagnosis of pathological professional inconsistency and irresponsibility. Yes, it could be a consequence of education. Shitty education. Especially for people in one way or another related to politics. And for an ordinary person, including a Soviet one, it would be nice to distinguish "forget-me-not from Mr. ...", Kashpirovsky and other MMM. The consequences of this upbringing are manifested even today in the fact that some "especially gullible" seek to entrust their future to someone, except to make it to themselves on their own. And then they sit and whine, how good it was then and how bad it is today. What were you waiting for? Communism from Khrushchev? No, of course, today they will masterfully beat off any criticism - "we were raised that way." Again, someone is to blame, and they are "poor sheep", terpily .... That's who this "feature" in himself has eradicated (or at least moderated), those today are not buzzing neither for small pensions, nor at all ages, nor according to "cannibalistic laws". They are not much easier than those with a "special" Soviet upbringing. But they do not have irreconcilable rage over the impossibility of other people's promises.
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 27 December 2020 18: 30
                        +4
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Excessive trust arises against the background of a lack of critical thinking ...

                        In many ways, you are right, but I did not write about that. Let me give you an example, we lived in Navoi, on the first floor of a five-story building, the city was new, the architects (or maybe someone else) did not provide for a sufficient number of machines with water and toilets. Therefore, it was in the order of things to knock on the door and ask for water or go to the toilet. It was customary to perceive the stranger not as an enemy, but as a possible comrade. Under Socialist relations, this was justified and has nothing to do with critical thinking.
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 27 December 2020 19: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Therefore, it was in the order of things to knock on the door and ask for water or go to the toilet. It was customary to perceive the stranger not as an enemy, but as a possible comrade.

                        It's one thing to give, even a stranger, some water to drink. Although I also live in a small town and it happened that the car in front of the house was left unlocked at night. The people around, though not friends, are familiar with most of them. Another thing is the belief in TV transmission of everything accumulated in the MMM. Big difference.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Under Socialist relations, this was justified and has nothing to do with critical thinking.

                        Well, yes ... Gypsies hunted at train stations and under Soviet rule. Yes, and simple theft was no smaller than today. And then the neighbors in the dachas did not scandal because of an incorrectly installed fence? How socialist relations differ from today's ones. It was not for nothing that there was a saying - "tell me what you are carrying, and I will tell you where you work." Do not idealize those times. They were all sorts ... One thing distinguishes them - then they dragged the state, sometimes entrusted to them for work, and today - often private, laid out with "trust" in public places. laughing
              3. Pivot
                Pivot 26 December 2020 13: 53
                +6
                I remember when people complained to TV channels that they were deceived. The collapse of the USSR was the golden time of traders, the Soviet people believed everything that was said on TV.
              4. nobody75
                nobody75 26 December 2020 18: 43
                -4
                how does the charlatan Malysheva differ from Kashperovsky and Chumak?

                Internship in the states. In serious honey. laboratories
                Sincerely
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 26 December 2020 02: 44
              -4
              Quote: Ulysses
              I really got sick when the Soviet people froze in the pose of Banderlog in front of TV screens, where they were stupidly fooled by charlatans like Kashpirovsky.

              But after 1 (in words: one) session of Kashpirovsky my chronic sinusitis went away and did not return for two years.
            3. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 26 December 2020 16: 01
              +5
              there are many - and now there are no scams? all sorts of "azino three axes", divorces on the phone, all sorts of network businesses and so on. Or are there still only "scoops" like me losing money? so .... upset, no. Most of them, as far as I know, are young people or so. And, your opponent generally correctly pointed to the video. Even in spite of the fact that they are not always right, (and who is the ideal of us?) They still reason quite and even very competently. About scams there is a channel LeaderTV, Ryndych .... if you wonder how people are now being bred and fooled! Kashpirovsky smokes quietly on the sidelines!
        4. Sanya Terek
          Sanya Terek 25 December 2020 22: 21
          12
          Because they are used to believing the information provided by official sources. In those years, I practically had no doubts about the information that was presented by the "box". True, I didn't have time for "sessions" and "banks", and the older generation, even with higher education, believed. What did you, as a political officer of the CA, do to convince your closest associates that the information transmitted through state channels is outright nonsense?
          1. Ulysses
            Ulysses 25 December 2020 23: 11
            -1
            I was stupidly ridiculed as an orthodox lagging behind life.
            I was slightly over twenty years old .. laughing
            Perestroika, do you panim?
            I fought, I call, like a fan from the authorities to the newly-minted democratizers.
            Because now there are persistent convictions, again no one on the forum suits.
            1. Vladimir247
              Vladimir247 25 December 2020 23: 46
              +6
              And where does "no one suit"? If you are convinced of something, then stand your ground and communicate your point of view to people. What does the opinion of the crowd have to do with it? Look, the crows on the field ALL as one flock to a pile of shit, and what, they will join or what?
              The Bolsheviks began with small cells ...
        5. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 25 December 2020 23: 07
          +5
          Perhaps because the late Soviet system did not need an independently thinking person as much as the present one? So as not to notice the contradictions between the declared ideals and the real interests of the degenerated party elite.
          But the people noticed these contradictions not with their minds, but with their instincts.
          And since they had already disaccustomed thinking, he no longer made the difference between agitation and a physics textbook - they say they lie everywhere.
          Moreover, science is often counterintuitive.
          1. Vasiliev S.
            Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 40
            -5
            And yet the Soviet system did not differ in integrity; under the guise of scientific truth, the "inexhaustibility of the electron", "denial of negation", etc. were stated. pseudo-philosophical nonsense.
            It made me laugh.
            And someone seemed to take it seriously.
        6. bk316
          bk316 25 December 2020 23: 43
          -1
          You can answer intelligibly to the former political officer of the SA

          He can not. He writes at the bot level. And not strong in sciences laughing
          And he hardly studied in the USSR. I can.
          Mass popular Soviet education, which gives people a scientific picture of the world and instills critical thinking THIS IS A MYTH. And no such task was set before the secondary school. The upbringing of a person in a socialist society was staged and failed miserably. That's the whole secret of the popularity of the Chumaks and the cult of sausage.

          Well, that mass education has become even worse, on average, THIS IS THE TRUTH.
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 26 December 2020 00: 08
            +5
            What are you making up fairy tales for? Was mathematics, chemistry and physics included in the "education of a person in a socialist society" ?! Or Pushkin with Lermontov? Or Saltykov Shchedrin with Gogol? Yes, all Russian classics do nothing but instill this most critical attitude. I would say too even critical.
            Maybe you skipped literature at school? Then there are no questions.
            1. bk316
              bk316 26 December 2020 00: 15
              +3
              Was mathematics, chemistry and physics included in the "education of a person in a socialist society" ?!

              Of course I entered, because knowledge of these sciences gives scientific worldview, which gives critical thinking. Apparently this is not available to you. You are probably not a mathematician, not a physicist or a chemist. laughing

              By the way, literature in the USSR was taught very badly.
              These ideas of memorizing chapters from war and peace are no better than today's tests.
              And the main thing is that literature is an intimate matter and the interpretation of the ideological department of the CPSU of the same Dostoevsky was of little interest and interest to me. :laughing:
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 26 December 2020 00: 36
                +3
                While the bot level is here you show. Brekhunitsyn and Bredsky are your idols.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 27 December 2020 21: 56
                  -1
                  While the bot level is here you show. Brekhunitsyn and Bredsky are your idols

                  Lesha, don't try, write me a bot for a week, no one can tell you from you.
                  Gridasov is much more complicated, you write purely reactively, and all in standard phrases.
                  Even a neural network is not needed here.
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 28 December 2020 01: 10
                    +4
                    Little child, dear, write on any Western resource a rebuttal, backed up by concrete facts, but at least something, if they don’t get caught in a lie, send me a link in a personal, and I will be the first to support you.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 28 December 2020 14: 21
                      0
                      on any western resource

                      Lesha, why should I write something on some Western resources, you were not born yet and my articles were published in Soviet academic journals.
              2. Vladimir247
                Vladimir247 26 December 2020 01: 34
                +2
                316
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                By heart chapters from War and Peace?
                It's exclusively in your head
                . laughing
                We analyzed the characters of the heroes, the motives for their actions, and so on. Excellent literature was taught at school.
                Knowledge of the sciences gives nothing in the general sense of critical thinking. Knowing a bunch of facts is one thing, but drawing the right conclusions from this is another.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 27 December 2020 21: 48
                  0
                  We analyzed the characters of the heroes, the motives for their actions, and so on.

                  Graduated in 1984 school 26. Literature teacher, Honored Teacher of the USSR. The scene of the battle of Austerlitz by heart. I still remember about the blue sky.
                  Even if you are lucky, and you didn’t cram and analyze the motives of the heroes, don’t you understand that 15-16 year olds will never understand the motives of the heroes of Dostoevsky and Tolstoy. Simply because it is the motives of adults. The one that there is Tolstoy, and Pavka Korchagin cannot be understood until he has been in the army ...
                  1. Vladimir247
                    Vladimir247 28 December 2020 01: 02
                    +1
                    84th year .... but something I can't believe. From the word at all. This is even before Humpback, .... well, if only your teacher was "unique" ... or the idiots drove him a lot ..
                    laughing laughing laughing
                    And something with your logic ... that is, children should learn not from their parents, but from their peers? So what? No, I don’t understand, answering your question.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 28 December 2020 14: 23
                      +1
                      the idiots drove him a lot ..

                      Maybe they did, but this passage was taught by all Moscow schoolchildren of the same age.
                      What surprises you? Did you study in the USSR at all? After all, the condition for writing the final essay was excellent citation of the work you are writing about. How can you do this without memorizing?
                  2. vindigo
                    vindigo 28 December 2020 09: 33
                    +1
                    We also learned this passage by heart.
                2. bk316
                  bk316 27 December 2020 21: 54
                  -1
                  Knowledge of the sciences gives nothing in the general sense of critical thinking.

                  Knowledge of sciences does not exist. You were taught disgustingly. Or they did not teach at all, neither the theory of knowledge nor the history of science ...
                  1. Vladimir247
                    Vladimir247 28 December 2020 01: 35
                    0
                    This is all empty talk. There is science, for example, physics. And what, a physicist, for example, a doctor of sciences, does not know her? Unlikely. You can know a lot, but not a vegetable understand how to use this knowledge. To get at least some useful result.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 28 December 2020 14: 19
                      0
                      This is all empty talk.

                      For you, empty talk, because you were not taught this (epistemology).
                      Remember where the discussion began, with Chumak and Kashperovsky.
                      Someone wrote that it is like religion like faith.
                      So if you were taught the theory of knowledge, then you would understand that this is not a question of faith, but a question of falsifiability.

                      How does this relate to mathematics? Directly. For example, you can build a whole mathematical discipline (and there were such cases), introduce a basis, axioms, prove theorems. And then it turns out that the basis is an empty set. The possibility of such a dead-end path clearly follows from some epistemological theories. However, don't worry, without special knowledge it's really just noise. And knowledge should be received for 5 years.

                      And the doctor of sciences does not know physics - he understands it. laughing
                    2. Vladimir247
                      Vladimir247 28 December 2020 22: 26
                      0
                      Yes, yes .. I understood correctly, boltology, your everything. All doctors of sciences understand everything, but we, not doctors, don't even have to open our mouths ... laughing
                      Doctors of agricultural sciences do their best in agriculture ... and so on. I remember the chef once told me that he was present at the defense of the candidate of some cool pepper, like you. And the dissertation was on the topic: Basics of stacking in the non-black earth zone of the RSFSR.
                      And there were such, if I may say so, scientists ... well, probably no less than a carriage, with a small cart. And everyone understood ... how to receive an additional payment for a scientific title ... laughing laughing
                      So you write ischo ...
            2. icant007
              icant007 26 December 2020 10: 11
              0
              Quote: bk316
              Of course it was, because knowledge of these sciences gives a scientific worldview, which gives critical thinking. Apparently this is not available to you. You are probably not a mathematician, not a physicist or a chemist.


              But neither mathematics, nor physics, nor chemistry gave me a scientific worldview. I learned to think critically by comprehending history, although by education I am an economist-mathematician.
              When you study dozens of sources and compare with each other.
              In the form in which natural sciences are taught at school, the student will not receive systems thinking.
              1. bk316
                bk316 27 December 2020 21: 51
                +1
                But neither mathematics, nor physics, nor chemistry gave me a scientific worldview.

                You were poorly taught. I'm actually talking about this. I was taught well, but they finished my studies to a scientific view of the world only in graduate school at Moscow State University laughing It's almost impossible to do this at school ...
          2. Vasiliev S.
            Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 42
            +1
            I have not read, I will not say that deliberately at all, more from disgust, all these gogols and saltykov
            It's boring and disgusting to read this
      2. icant007
        icant007 26 December 2020 09: 59
        +1
        Quote: Ulysses
        Can you answer intelligibly to the former political officer of the SA, why did the Soviet people, who received the best education in the world, flock to Kashpirovsky's sessions and put cans of water for Chumak in front of the screens ??


        People just trusted television. If they say on TV, then it's true)
        1. lucul
          lucul 27 December 2020 17: 11
          -1
          People just trusted television. If they say on TV, then it's true)

          This is the first sign of a lack of education))) Someone (the party) created dummies for themselves (for obedience), and then left ..... and people formed a vacuum of reverence / equalization with the guru, for a new authority in their minds. This is about the stage of a 16-year-old teenager, when the teachers have already left, and he does not know whom to look up to, he is still looking for a new authority - whom to obey, the brain has not yet matured.
          That's how Soviet society turned out to be in 1991)))
        2. bk316
          bk316 27 December 2020 21: 52
          +1
          People just trusted television.

          That's right, but if they studied the theory of knowledge and the history of science, they would not trust.
      3. Roman070280
        Roman070280 26 December 2020 11: 28
        -3
        why did the Soviet people, who received the best education in the world, flock to Kashpirovsky's sessions


        This is already a question from the plane of religion ..
        In any educated people there are always people who believe in God ..
        People wear crosses, pray .. the Middle Ages, of course .. But this does not interfere with education, and does not make them stupid ..
      4. lucul
        lucul 27 December 2020 17: 37
        +1
        Can you answer intelligibly to the former political officer of the SA, why did the Soviet people, who received the best education in the world, flock to Kashpirovsky's sessions and put cans of water for Chumak in front of the screens ??

        It was far from the best))) Very, very far away. The foremost knowledge that a person should have received in this life is how to behave with their own kind, the ability to both subordinate and manipulate their own kind, and the ability to resist this. And only then, then everything else, and physics and chemistry and mathematics and so on, so on. And in Soviet higher education, which trained leading personnel, there was not even a hint of HOW to manage, only performers were trained.))))
        Everything else is only in KGB schools ...
        What was bad about the Soviet education - there was an interception of state control (control) over the child from the parents from school. The teacher became a new authority in the eyes of the child, remember from 1920 they hammered into the head that parents are backward, you need to live in a new way, listen only to the teachers. Remember Pavlik Morozov? Ie there was an interception of control over the minds of children. What is it fraught with? Each generation can, from scratch, format a person's mentality. Previously, it would take more than 100 years, but now for a generation. Previously, this (formatting / zombifying) was opposed by the older generation - the Jews, their rabbi, still has indisputable authority over the youth, just like the Arabs, their elders they also have authority over the youth. And our Domostroy was broken on the knee back in 1920. Previously, parents / grandparents, just like religion, gave answers to the younger generation HOW to live in their rebellious teenage brain. And now the liberals have completely taken control of our children from their parents ...
        How it all works - remember how the Turks trained their Janissaries ...
      5. nonsense
        nonsense 27 December 2020 21: 06
        +2
        For the sake of justice, it should be noted that older people - 50-60 -... years old - were "loading jars" in front of the TV with Chumak. Those. born in the 30s-40s. And higher (and even secondary - 10 classes) education in this category of citizens had an extremely small percentage. The standard was 7 classes! Young people with a massive secondary and higher education practically did not fall for the Chumaks with the Kashpirovskys ...
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 26 December 2020 13: 21
      +2
      The current managers are faceless, gray, often downright stupid. No new Churchills, Roosevelts or de Gaulles.

      - it is just that the talented have moved to the offices of bankers, it is not the people who are leading "into battle" and accomplishments - money. own and borrowed. They win and will continue to win. It is said about Gref at the end of the article.
  2. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 25 December 2020 18: 50
    +9
    Quote: Svarog
    and if there is an opportunity to compare with Soviet education ..

    Heaven and earth.
    In our time, to be ignorant is the same as poor.
    These tests are for education.
    Children are not taught, they are trained to answer the test
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 25 December 2020 21: 16
      +3
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Children are not taught, they are trained to answer the test

      American system ... negative
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 December 2020 19: 01
    17
    Quote: Svarog
    Fierce truth ..
    This education began with the Childhood 20-30 foresight project. This program can still be found on the net. It seemed that everyone had forgotten about it, but it works, especially in our days, when the pandemic rules the ball.
    This project itself was prepared by the liberals, to whom the education sector was farmed out in the 90s. Among them is the Higher School of Economics (HSE), which, in fact, became the governing structure in the Enlightenment system. For example, Isak Frumin, a member of the HSE Academic Council, who was the representative of the World Bank in Russia, wrote manuals for secondary schools, which are still used by our children. We can say that it was then that a certain factory for the production of meanings began to form, which included Skolkovo and Sberbank.
    There are financiers, Western agents of influence, some kind of businessmen, but they have nothing to do with the profession of a teacher, in its highest sense. And it is they who are now writing practically all the programs and leading educational reforms in Russia.
  4. kalibr
    kalibr 25 December 2020 19: 19
    -7
    Vladimir! Before my eyes, a granddaughter grew up and for 9 years she went to our regular school. I, my wife, and my daughter personally for 4 years went to this school where they conducted classes on technical creativity, holidays, matinees, did visual aids, I led a journalism circle ... The whole process of study was before my eyes. Yes, the kitchen was inedible, but everything else was not too different from what I had at school, except for the addition of computers. And as then there were fools teachers, so they are now. Nothing changed. Moreover, campaigning for admission to our university until 2017, he traveled to many districts and schools of the region. So when I read this, I want to ask, how often have you been to a modern school?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 December 2020 19: 46
      29
      Quote: kalibr
      So when I read this, I want to ask, how often have you been to a modern school?

      I study with my middle daughter .. the exact sciences are mainly my wife .. I have everything connected with the humanities. So I will conduct a dialogue for humanitarian subjects. Knowing your dislike for everything Soviet, I am not surprised that you like everything in modern education ..
      And I don't like the following ..
      1) In the classroom, the material is given .. well, very briefly .. so much that the child does not understand anything .. the teacher is most often absorbed in all kinds of reports .. this is how my daughter tells me when I ask her why she did not understand anything .. she says .. that the teacher doesn't explain anything. For if I need to sign another paper, where I have to allow something .. for example, a psychologist .. so that a psychologist, a girl of 20 years old, delves into the soul of my child, herself still not understanding anything in this life .. my whole brain is a class teacher took it out .. sign the paper and that's it .. I sent it by the forest of course and didn't sign anything .. but I understood the essence of their work ..
      2) The material itself .. I don’t even know what subject to start with .. history, everything is altered .. well, it seems so soft .. but the essence changes specifically .. Sparta-terrorists .. but this is exaggerated .. Socialism is a utopia .. and so further .. we'll get to high school I think it will be even more "interesting"
      English .. the teaching method is generally enchanting .. children don't even learn words .. in the end, I learned German .. well, at work I had to learn English, I tell the child the meanings of words ...
      Mathematics .. my wife spits .. how now she is explained and taught .. this is a completely different way of perceiving the subject, which does not give an understanding of the essence of mathematics .. My wife KFEI graduated with honors .. I think she can be trusted ..
      3) Tests are moronic thinking .. a person is given a choice of four points, thereby killing him, the very possibility of choice and justification ..
      4) There are a lot of mistakes in the textbooks and the funny thing is that the child is given a grade for the problem in which the erroneous solution is given .. My wife has repeatedly puzzled the teacher, explaining that the problem was a mistake and the teacher's answer was not correct. Not just stumped ... but also argued ... the teacher embarrassedly agreed ... In the fourth grade it was regular ...
      5) A bunch of different authors of the material and each school chooses its own .. and what is interesting, it is difficult for a child to rebuild later .. from one method to another ..
      In general, you can write a lot .. but the essence is well revealed by Samsonov .. read the article hi
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 10
        11 th
        Quote: Svarog
        read the article

        I read the article. And with all the points that you have brought, I agree. But that's just about nothing. My granddaughter hung on the board of honor of the school for the entire elementary school, and then participated in various Olympiads and competitions. A bunch of diplomas and certificates. I hope you take the word for it, because to spread this ... "impossible". And as always, something was good, something was not very good, something was bad. But THIS WAS ALWAYS, adjusted for the time. Who wants to learn - learns. Then the school got out by the 9th and she went to college. There are also children "zis iznt e Landon" there, but there are also those who ... know the language and courses where the language can be adjusted. I wrote about textbooks here, but you could read ... And now she is in her second year and I see that Internet education is bearing fruit, it has become pleasant to communicate with her intellectually. And all ... of her classmates are still in school ... And there will be little sense from them ... So everything is as it was and how it will be. 80% below and 20% above them. This cannot be changed. This is the law!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 25 December 2020 20: 20
          15
          Quote: kalibr
          My granddaughter hung on the board of honor of the school for the entire elementary school, and then participated in various Olympiads and competitions. A bunch of diplomas and certificates. I hope you take the word for it, because to spread this ... "impossible". And as always, something was good, something was not very good, something was bad.

          Vyacheslav is happy for your granddaughter, my daughter is also an excellent student .. but a C grade student in a Soviet school, he could be with your granddaughter, and with my daughter .. to be on an equal footing ..
          And now she is in her second year and I see that Internet education is bearing fruit, it has become pleasant to communicate with her intellectually.

          Children today are more polite, it's a fact ... that's why it's more pleasant to communicate with them .. and if it's a granddaughter, then doubly laughing I also have a grandson .. for me he is generally a child prodigy ..
          So everything is as it was and how it will be. 80% below and 20% above them. This cannot be changed. This is the law!

          And here I strongly disagree with you .. Genius is a rarity .. a unit for hundreds of thousands and the more accessible education, the better the teaching, the easier it is to find this "gold" .. But you can ruin it .. with today's approaches ..
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 35
            12 th
            Quote: Svarog
            and the more accessible education, the better the teaching, the easier it is to find this "gold".

            In the USSR it was like “they found gold”. And what, then, in 1991, did all these "educated people" do so fluidly? Why didn't the best education help them? You can disagree with me; you cannot change the law.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 00
              15
              Quote: kalibr
              Why didn't the best education help them? You can disagree with me; you cannot change the law.

              One person can change a lot, but if there are millions of us, we will change this world.
              And education is not a measure of morality. hi
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 10
                +5
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: kalibr
                Why didn't the best education help them? You can disagree with me; you cannot change the law.

                One person can change a lot, but if there are millions of us, we will change this world.
                And education is not a measure of morality. hi

                In general, Friday .. listen to music)) But preferably with headphones .. with a symphony orchestra .. just a bomb .. drinks
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 26
                  0
                  Unfortunately I have no time. I am writing another material, and only from time to time I communicate ... you can't listen to music like that.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 29
                    +8
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Unfortunately I have no time. I am writing another material, and only from time to time I communicate ... you can't listen to music like that.

                    We are waiting for your articles .. I like them when you do not roll a barrel to the Union hi
                  2. kalibr
                    kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 54
                    11 th
                    I do not roll the barrel, everything is confirmed by documents. I just don't want a repeat of 91.
                  3. paul3390
                    paul3390 25 December 2020 22: 30
                    +8
                    Do you want a revolution ?! No, what are you! I want despotism, slavery and more corruption. (c)
                  4. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 26 December 2020 03: 23
                    +7
                    More precisely 1917. And yet, yes. This is inevitable. Whether you want it or not.
                  5. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 26 December 2020 12: 56
                    +2
                    everything is confirmed by documents

                    Sometimes your "documents" are a T-55 sign on a T-54 tank, as it was recently.
                  6. kalibr
                    kalibr 26 December 2020 15: 18
                    -2
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Sometimes your "documents" are a T-55 sign on a T-54 tank, as it was recently.

                    And yet. And at the end of the barrel there is an ejector, which the T-54 did not have! So we look at the end!
                  7. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 26 December 2020 18: 58
                    +2
                    And at the end of the barrel there is an ejector, which the T-54 did not have!

                    We look and see the muzzle brake. Vyacheslav, you would at least sometimes read technical articles, the ejector is located in the middle of the gun. Well, just like a political officer you behave. Naturally, neither the T-54 nor the T-55 had ejectors.
                  8. kalibr
                    kalibr 26 December 2020 19: 23
                    -2
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    We look and see the muzzle brake. Vyacheslav, you would at least sometimes read technical articles, the ejector is located in the middle of the gun. Well, just like a political officer you behave. Naturally, neither the T-54 nor the T-55 had ejectors.

                    Sergei, what a muzzle brake you are. Well, at least take a look at Wikipedia ...

                    Well, what is there to slow down? Smooth cylinder. It was then that he was transferred to the T-62 further along the barrel ...
                  9. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 26 December 2020 19: 30
                    +1
                    Yes, I was wrong with the muzzle brake, sorry. However, the T-54 had an ejector, comrade political officer:
                    The barrel of the gun consists of a monoblock pipe, a coupling, a breech, a guide rod and an ejection device for cleaning the barrel bore from powder gases after a shot.

                    https://arsenal-info.ru/b/book/3454476761/9
                  10. kalibr
                    kalibr 26 December 2020 19: 53
                    0
                    The T-54 that I have in the park doesn't have it. Show me a photo or drawing. And he is not in the photo on the cover of this book. Where is he?
                  11. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 26 December 2020 20: 07
                    0
                    Let's go back to our rams. So in the Penza park, it's not T-55, but T-54, don't you agree?

                    This is T-54A
                  12. kalibr
                    kalibr 26 December 2020 20: 29
                    0
                    I cannot answer yes or no. We must go and see. But now the weather is bad. If this is a T-54A, then the hatch on the left should have a mount for the DShK. It was not on the T-55. That's all. The weather will be good, I'll go and see, at the same time I'll write the second part. So far, I don't see any point in the dispute. You generally wrote that there were no ejectors on either the T-54 or the T-55. It turned out that there is. Let's see what else is there. Until then, be patient.
              2. kalibr
                kalibr 26 December 2020 20: 02
                0
                He was on the T-54A, and this is the difference with the T-54 ... The devil is always in the little things! Although for you they are most likely all tanks, no difference ...
              3. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 26 December 2020 20: 11
                +1
                Although for you they are most likely all tanks, no difference ...

                Like political officers, you are right in this.
              4. kalibr
                kalibr 26 December 2020 20: 32
                0
                Quote: Aviator_
                in this you are right.
                Well, at least I am not confusing a muzzle brake with an ejector and I am not claiming that the ejector is only in the middle of the barrel.
              5. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 26 December 2020 20: 35
                0
                Well, at least I don't confuse a muzzle brake with an ejector

                But you confuse T-54 and T-55
              6. kalibr
                kalibr 26 December 2020 20: 52
                0
                Why are you in a hurry to prove something to me again? There is no need to rush, rush is the weakness of stupid people. Be patient, is it not diarrhea that you have? The day will come, it will be sunny, I will take a camera and walk around the city, take pictures of T-54 in one park, then T-55 in another. After an illness, I find it difficult to go far, so I may have to go in two days. Then writing an article, moderation ... So be patient. But when the article comes out you will be able to enjoy its content and its photos to the fullest, and show your wit and erudition ... all these pleasures will be at your service.
              7. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 26 December 2020 21: 31
                +1
                I'm not proving anything. The initial thesis was: it says on the plate that this is a T-55, and you began to fiercely defend this fact (document!). You were told about the features of the tower, and you again - I have a document! And this is not a T-55. That's all. Recover.
              8. kalibr
                kalibr 27 December 2020 08: 29
                0
                Quote: Aviator_
                You were told about the features of the tower, and you again - I have a document!

                Someone saw something out of the corner of his eye (like you), something out of the corner of his brain remembered and a break ... And you are happy! "Akela missed!" Happiness! Let's see what other features are there. Then maybe we will put a cross on that connoisseur at once. Or, yes - it will be confirmed that one is written, but in fact another.
              9. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 27 December 2020 09: 26
                0
                Someone saw something out of the corner of his eye (like you), remembered something out of the corner of his brain and a break ...

                Take care of your "edges of the brain", Akela, Marxist-Leninist. You still have to write and moderate, but you are so worried. Recover.
              10. kalibr
                kalibr 27 December 2020 09: 28
                0
                Quote: Aviator_
                You still have to write and moderate,

                I've never been a moderator. Don't write without knowing. And then someone will decide (already decided and wrote about it!) That I delete comments against myself. Do not mislead people.
  5. kalibr
    kalibr 26 December 2020 19: 47
    -2
    The mass of the swinging part of the gun is 1950 kg. Its trunk is a monoblock tube; shutter - wedge, horizontal, with semiautomatic mechanical type. Recoil devices consist of a hydraulic recoil brake and a hydropneumatic knurler; their cylinders are fixed in the cradles of the cradle, and the rods are in the breech and when fired they roll back together with the barrel. The trigger has an electrical and mechanical (manual) trigger. The gun is equipped with an ejection device for cleaning the bore from propellant gases after firing.
    MEDIUM TANK T-55 (OBJECT 155)
    Author: "Bronekollektsiya" Magazine, N. N. Okolelov
    Series: Armored Collection, 2008 # 4
    Russian language
    Year: 2008
    Is it understandable for your grace? Or will we persist?
  6. kalibr
    kalibr 26 December 2020 19: 49
    -4
    Quote: Aviator_
    We look and see the muzzle brake.

    I would advise you to open your eyes wider or make your glasses more powerful. For the future ... And that is stupid in front of everyone to demonstrate their ignorance of elementary things, Sergei!
  7. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 December 2020 19: 58
    +2
    Calm down, comrade political officer. I admit my mistakes, but there is no need to be rude, according to the old political commander's habit. See the drawing at the link that I gave. This is the T-54A. Is it available written?
  8. kalibr
    kalibr 26 December 2020 20: 54
    +1
    Now it remains to find out what kind of samples I have in two parks. I'll do it as the weather permits.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 24
    -6
    Quote: Svarog
    And education is not a measure of morality.

    Delightful! And true in addition! And vobla - there is a vobla! And the law is the law. There was slavery (let's start with it!) - at the top 20% of slave owners, below 80% of slaves. Feudal lords, the same. Capitalism ... But even under "socialism" nothing has changed! You will also say that there were closed distributors for the hard workers, special clinics, or that the OK secretaries rested in the same rest houses as the collective farmers ... The essence of 80 and 20 changes. The proportion itself is never. Although he hesitates - here and there ... a little ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 31
      +9
      Quote: kalibr
      But even under "socialism" nothing has changed!

      You are an educated person .. how hasn't it changed .. But the first thing that came to mind .. Zhores Alferov .. could he have reached such heights under the capitalists or the king? The answer is obvious.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 52
        -7
        And Lomonosov was able to do it even under the queens ... And a bunch of peasants from serfs became artists, and the children of the lower servicemen became generals.
      2. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 26 December 2020 00: 45
        11
        Yeah, he could, surrounded by the Germans, who hunted him down. But our empires were incredibly complacent towards them. No wonder Nicholas 1 said "Russian nobles serve Russia, and the Germans serve us, the Romanovs."
        Therefore, RI was extremely backward, despite the dominance of "nemchura" in Russian science. And the "bunch of men" who became artists are an exception. Yes, and a bunch is in fact so-so, a bunch rather.
        Art schools in every city are only given by the Soviet government to the people, like many other things. From mass sports to education.
      3. Lexus
        Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 00
        +9
        Before the Bolsheviks, Russian science lagged behind the world. Like now. hi
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 26 December 2020 01: 11
      +9
      Quote: kalibr
      And Lomonosov was able to do it even under the queens ... And a bunch of peasants from serfs became artists, and the children of the lower servicemen became generals.

      Dear Vyacheslav! Surely I did not expect from you to hear a downtrodden remark about the unique Lomonosov, who from peasants became great scientists. If not strange, Mikhailo Vasilievich is a product of mass education... Let me explain why. The fact is that the Pomors, who were engaged in trade and crafts, were all educated without exception. Plus, the material of Petrovsky education was also superimposed on Lomonosov... The communists were right a thousand times when they argued that great scientists are a product of mass education, to which they aspired. A person is a social being and therefore society (environment) forms a person. And the higher the level of education of the society, the more we have brilliant scientists and engineers. Therefore, the story about the genius unique Lomonosov is, in principle, correct, but its interpretation is fundamentally incorrect.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 26 December 2020 03: 37
      +6
      And how many Lomonosovs could not?
  • kalibr
    kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 53
    -7
    Quote: Svarog
    The answer is obvious.

    Just not obvious. Obvious he knows for whom. I would not like to meet this in your face. You wrote this again without thinking.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 25 December 2020 22: 07
    13
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Svarog
    The answer is obvious.

    Just not obvious. Obvious he knows for whom. I would not like to meet this in your face. You wrote this again without thinking.

    Okay, I'll try to explain my point of view. Suppose that a child was born in a family of teachers .. and he was not the first in 2021 .. or 1897 .. do you think he will be able to enter an institute in Moscow? And the parents should delay his education, given that the family still has children, and the total family budget is 50 tons ... from where 15 tons goes to the mortgage, 6 tons for housing and communal services .. And there will soon be very few free places in universities ..
    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/666341
    And how can a young man and a girl prove themselves if his parents do not have money for higher education?
    In other words, the opportunities to get a high-quality education are greatly narrowed and the opportunities to get a "bright head" are also narrowed .. because, "bright" heads will only be in wealthy families .. we already went through this, under the king .. when educated was 14%. . and in RI there was nothing of its own, not even the pharmaceutical industry ..
  • kalibr
    kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 24
    -4
    Quote: Svarog
    Opportunities to get a high-quality education are greatly narrowed and the opportunities to get a "bright head" are also narrowed .. because, "bright" heads will only be in wealthy families ..

    And yes it will. But there is also support for such as you have named. I face this all the time. They search, find ... give money ... Magnet shop next to me. Saleswoman - 15 thousand salary. The son went to a regular school. But ... he participated, won ... Now he is studying in Moscow, on a presidential grant. My PR student won the German language competition. Received a grant ... studied in Geldenberg, took pictures with Kohl, then in Zurich ... graduated with us in Penza. "We teach better!" Now his own travel company and ... everything is OK. And there are many such examples. Whereas the children of businessmen ... with mom and dad "buy and sell". Although there is money. No mind!
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 27 December 2020 03: 07
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    Saleswoman - 15 thousand salary. The son went to a regular school. But ... participated, won ...

    So now only a few come out, and before dozens, regularly. And no grants. Smart one, come here. The country needs you. Learn.
  • bk316
    bk316 26 December 2020 00: 24
    -4
    Zhores Alferov .. could he have reached such heights under the capitalists or the tsar?

    Why Popov could? And Mendeleev?
    Moreover, why couldn't Alferov? His father is a non-commissioned officer in the tsarist army. He served in the Life Guards. Normal start ...
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 December 2020 21: 25
    +1
    Why Popov could?

    And why did he die at the age of 46 after a conversation with the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Ingushetia, where he was summoned in connection with the participation of his students in revolutionary unrest?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 25 December 2020 21: 34
    +8
    Quote: kalibr
    You will also tell that there were closed distributors for hard workers

    Have you ever seen it? There were.
    Quote: kalibr
    The essence of 80 and 20 changes. The proportion itself is never.

    Give evidence. And then rush with this "law" of Pareto as Filka with your letters.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 58
      -4
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Give evidence.

      If I refer to my textbooks for universities, where they are, it will be a mess for you. Therefore, Google will help you. Everybody there. Type "Pareto's Law" and everything will be for you. And explanations and proofs. There is also a book by V.Pareto on the theory of elites, then I cannot recommend it to you, you simply will not master it.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 December 2020 22: 02
      +3
      Quote: kalibr
      There is also a book by V. Pareto on the theory of elites,

      Who proved the theory?
    3. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 25
      -2
      Google to the rescue! dauria (Alexey)
      Today, 21:35, ask him again ...
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 December 2020 22: 26
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      Google to the rescue!

      Too lazy to search. The teacher Caliber is closer.
    5. kalibr
      kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 33
      -3
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      The teacher Caliber is closer.

      The point is ... you don't believe what I'm saying ... And why should I throw beads ... Therefore, look at Google ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 25 December 2020 22: 21
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    There is also a book by V. Pareto on the theory of elites, then I cannot recommend it to you

    Our authors also consider the theory of elites. Somewhat closer and more accessible. But you're right, it will be painful for fans of the USSR in the late 90s to study it. Awareness of the regularity of what happened and what is happening does not fit with their idea of ​​the role of individuals and the masses in history.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 27
    +2
    Quote: Hagen
    does not fit with their idea of ​​the role of individuals and masses in history.

    I wrote about this in the article "They made their way and are falling apart!" ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 25 December 2020 22: 51
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    I wrote about this in the article "They made their way and are falling apart!" ...

    Within the framework of the article, trying to cover such a massive topic, and even in an accessible language, I think, is problematic. In this regard, I consider VO more as a bibliography on the topic, so that later the source can be read separately. I wonder what you would say about the book "Anatomy of the Russian Elite" by O. Kryshtanovskaya?
  • kalibr
    kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 34
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    I wonder what you would say about the book "Anatomy of the Russian Elite" by O. Kryshtanovskaya?

    I haven't read it, unfortunately ...
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 26 December 2020 03: 44
    +4
    The most interesting thing is that you and Shpakovsky criticizing the people who charged the water themselves from them do not differ from the word at all. Although, perhaps not. You are a little different. Instead of a can of Pareto water. laughing
  • Hagen
    Hagen 26 December 2020 07: 07
    0
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    you yourself do not differ from the word at all. Although, perhaps not. You are a little different.

    And you, in addition to comments, start reading big books on similar topics, about economics, sociology, political science, and you will also start to be different. Your non-recognition of the patterns of development of historical processes does not cancel them, but it makes you vulnerable. And to be honest, I don't care how you feel about it. I expressed my opinion, but you live.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 26 December 2020 14: 42
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    Your non-recognition of the laws of development of historical processes

    It is especially amusing to hear this from an obscurantist who ignores historical materialism. laughing
  • Hagen
    Hagen 26 December 2020 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    It's especially funny to hear this from an obscurantist who ignores historical materialism

    You struck me in the very heart with your science laughing
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 26 December 2020 15: 12
    +1
    I did not set such a goal. But the fact that you and Shpakovsky are pulling an owl onto the globe with your Pareto is a fact.
  • Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 26 December 2020 01: 04
    +3
    Vyacheslav, don't write nonsense. How does Pareto's law relate to the educational process in terms of academic performance? Or 20% excellent students, and 80% failing students? !! belay
    So it’s not so. For example, in our class there were a couple of incorrigible poor students, there were excellent students, and the rest were smoothly distributed from the first to the second. Again, people have different talents. A Troechnik can suddenly be a great mathematician or historian laughing
    It happens, you know ...
  • kalibr
    kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 36
    -1
    Quote: Beringovsky
    A Troechnik can suddenly be a great mathematician or historian

    This does not negate the Pareto law. You just don't understand him and it seems stupid to you. But not everything that seems stupid to you personally is such in practice.
  • Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 26 December 2020 15: 28
    +1
    Actually, I am a production worker and I have learned this law much better than you. In practice, moreover, in production, he works in full force. So then, Vyacheslav.
    But where historians like you face it is a big mystery to me. Well, let's say 80% of Louis were fat and 20 were thin? wink
    You seem to have recently become acquainted with this Pareto law, so you rush with it like a decommissioned bag. It happens. Nothing will pass.
  • bk316
    bk316 26 December 2020 00: 03
    -1
    The essence of 80 and 20 changes. The proportion itself is never. Although he hesitates - here and there ... a little ...

    Sometimes a lot. Just believe that here you will not be understood. Someone because they do not want the type of Lexus. Someone because they cannot (this is how much you need to study).

    However, it is the idea to change the Pareto ratio in society that is one of the foundations of building a communist society. Did not work out. Sorry. I would like to live in a society of intelligent, educated, socially equal SUCCESSFUL people. No offended, uneducated arrogant losers.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 38
      -3
      Yes, turn the pyramid upside down. This was precisely the task. But it didn't work out.
  • Vasiliev S.
    Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 50
    +3
    However, Brezhnev's dachas, etc. bons are usually a two-story house of 150-170 square meters.
    The proportion fluctuated very, very strong.
  • hydrox
    hydrox 25 December 2020 21: 18
    +4
    And where did you get the idea that they did it?
    In my opinion, they honestly performed ALL the work that the bourgeois agents, sorosyats, Bilderbergers demanded from them, and you never know that I would like to see them at the wall - after all, a horny cow won't get a horn! laughing
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 December 2020 22: 23
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    Vyacheslav is happy for your granddaughter, my daughter is also an excellent student .. but a C grade student in a Soviet school, he could be with your granddaughter, and with my daughter .. to be on an equal footing ..

    No, I couldn't.
    Try to pass the notorious Unified State Exam, for example, in history or social studies, simply and trite.
    After you tell me that you have scored from 96 to 100 points, I will believe in your knowledge of these disciplines.
    My daughter, studying in her first year at the university, explicitly states that the program of the university is simpler than at school.
    In elementary school, you don't have to choose a program, you have to choose a teacher. The program is essentially a toolkit for mastering knowledge with obviously the same result at the final stage. The teacher is more important in this. If you don't tell fortunes with him, then the school and the Unified State Exam are in "your pocket."
    As for mistakes in textbooks, I puzzled the department of "higher mathematics and computer science" with a second grade problem.
    About the competence of teachers. My wife and I experienced horror in the form of a class lady - a Trudovik of deep retirement age. God grant you to master this road.
    As for the rest, it is wrong to consider the new generation as victims of the "Unified State Exam", etc. It, unlike us, is not stupider and weaker. Because of the preparation for the "tests", it is more pragmatic and purposeful. The only drawback is less erudite, but definitely has a much deeper knowledge than we do in the disciplines that are selected for delivery. For many of the moss peers, tutors for admission to the university were the fifth wheel for a cart. Today it is an objective reality.
    By the way, in Samsonov's article, the problems of the school are disclosed one-sidedly and incompletely. I'm afraid every second parent knows much more deeply from their children.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 29
      +1
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      In elementary school, you don't have to choose a program, you have to choose a teacher.

      Golden words!
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 25 December 2020 22: 40
        10
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        In elementary school, you don't have to choose a program, you have to choose a teacher.

        Golden words!

        Gold, only have nothing to do with reality .. They choose not a teacher, but a school .. and then how lucky ..
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 December 2020 23: 04
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Gold, only have nothing to do with reality .. They choose not a teacher, but a school .. and then how lucky ..

          My wife and I took a different path, as we ourselves are from small towns, where it is accepted by itself.
          So it was right. The lottery started in the fifth grade.
          1. bk316
            bk316 26 December 2020 00: 07
            +1
            The lottery started in the fifth grade.

            But from the fifth grade you have to choose a school.
        2. bk316
          bk316 26 December 2020 00: 06
          -6
          It is not the teacher who is chosen, but the school ..
          Why?
          I chose a teacher for my daughter.

          And why would "how lucky"?
          After grade 4, you have to choose a school, choose carefully with an eye to the university.

          Which must be chosen very carefully with an understanding of the profession being received. Its relevance and the level of future income.

          Otherwise, children will grow up as losers selling cell phones in communication salons. And they will whine on some new.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 December 2020 05: 37
            +3
            Quote: bk316
            After grade 4, you have to choose a school, choose carefully with an eye to the university.

            Absolutely true!
            The truth, alas, is not always possible in small towns and cities.
            On the other hand, such "conditionally rural schools of regional centers" traditionally provide better quality knowledge than most schools in megalopolises.
            They definitely have less bribery, extortion, and they are not badly equipped. The teaching staff is also strong due to the great competition, and the teaching profession is traditionally prestigious.
            The first is due to the fact that the children of all local government officials go to this school, from the prosecutor to the judge and from the businessman to the headmaster.
            An example is my native school number 2 pleases with repairs and plastic windows for already 10 years. In Yekaterinburg, at 138, where my daughter studied, we changed windows in two classes during her studies and this process has no end.
            Second. In small towns, staff turnover is minimal. The average teacher salary is substantial. And traditions die more slowly. My daughter in the last grades studied with a tutor "on vacation with her grandmother." To our surprise, my wife and I noted the quality of the teachers and their motivated approach to teaching.
            Well, somewhere like that.
            Regards, Vlad!
          2. kalibr
            kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 41
            -1
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            On the other hand, such "conditionally rural schools of regional centers" traditionally provide better quality knowledge than most schools in megalopolises.

            I confirm. I am familiar with such schools and teachers in them. There was even a delusional dream to teach a granddaughter in such a school. But they got by with the usual ...
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 39
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        It is not the teacher who is chosen, but the school .. and then how lucky ..

        It depends on you which school to which teacher you will send your child to !!! From you!!!
        1. bk316
          bk316 27 December 2020 16: 59
          +2
          It depends on you which school to which teacher you will send your child to !!! From you!!!

          Well, what are you Vyacheslav is Svarog, nothing depends on him, his life is determined by the accursed power in everything. The main thing is Putin is to blame! And there is no way to attend to the education of a granddaughter.
          At the same time, the type is versed in history and literature, and the wife is in the exact sciences, well, let it be better that the granddaughter remains ignorant.
          And this is even more or less adequate, you can talk to him, just fixated on one thought (how Putin crap on him). And there are also different Lexuses ...
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 27 December 2020 17: 35
          +2
          Quote: bk316
          And this is even more or less adequate, you can talk to him

          Yes, Vladimir! Yes! I don’t understand how you can live like that. Fight windmills all the time. Not to look for opportunities that the new time has opened, a person tries to follow the old ways in the new time. People (with money!) Sit for hours in free clinics, wait for weeks for ultrasound, MRI (but free), tests too ... But go and pay for it ... No! "I do not want to profit from me! Here in Soviet times ...". Well, who have you proved what? With his health ... At school it became so easy ... the child wrote down "stupidity to the teacher" on his mobile phone, went to the Ministry of Education, threatened to sue, and two days later "she was gone." Everything can be done without too many problems. But no - here before !!! Previously, I couldn't lay out a bathtub for money. I pasted it over with a kitchen maple ... And now - here's Italian, here's Greek ... Yes, they swept up behind them and took away all the garbage in the bags!
  • bk316
    bk316 26 December 2020 00: 06
    0
    Golden words!

    Because the faithful laughing
  • Barmal
    Barmal 25 December 2020 23: 00
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Vyacheslav is happy for your granddaughter, my daughter is also an excellent student .. but a C grade student in a Soviet school, he could be with your granddaughter, and with my daughter .. to be on an equal footing ..

    and there is. I was a Soviet C grade student who puzzled my eldest son in geography, opening the country's test program for the given capitals and other chukhnya. This is the time to learn only what you need. Yeah. in short pants, they have already understood life and that they do not need it.
  • bk316
    bk316 25 December 2020 23: 54
    0
    ... but a C-student in a Soviet school, he could be equal with your granddaughter and my daughter ...

    No, Svarog, he could not. More precisely, not so. The average secondary school level has declined but not critically. (I'm really talking about exact sciences) It's just that the spread between good and bad schools has become much wider. Send your granddaughter to the same LIT, she will know mathematics and physics at a much better level than an ordinary school in the USSR, I'm not talking about languages.

    All this fits into the picture of the division of education into mass and elite. This process is going on, it is irreversible. Write a thousand articles. Capitalism NEEDS the separation of the elite and the masses at the level of culture, lifestyle, education. Draw conclusions.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 26 December 2020 00: 05
      +2
      Quote: bk316

      All this fits into the picture of the division of education into mass and elite. This process is going on, it is irreversible. Write a thousand articles. Capitalism NEEDS the separation of the elite and the masses at the level of culture, lifestyle, education. Draw conclusions.

      So I made this conclusion a long time ago .. and it does not please me at all. And this will not benefit the state either.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 42
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        And this will not benefit the state either.

        It just brings him!
      2. bk316
        bk316 27 December 2020 17: 08
        -1
        So I made this conclusion a long time ago .. and it does not please me at all.

        So you try at least once to forget your grievances against the authorities and look at it from a historical (or even better from a philosophical) point of view, you write what you can. And then try to go from general to specific and it turns out that everything is not quite the way you write.
  • dauria
    dauria 25 December 2020 21: 35
    +8
    So everything is as it was and how it will be. 80% below and 20% above them. This cannot be changed. This is the law!


    laughing Right. There is such a law .... It is formulated as follows " 20% of the population drinks 80% of beer "
    It was expressed by the creators of processors when it turned out that 80% of machine codes of operations are practically not used. After that, they thought about it - and came to a very competent conclusion to throw them out completely, and in return get the highest increase in the speed of the remaining 20%. RISC construction principle. laughing

    Funny, by God. Three surnames Fursenko, Livanov and Gref destroyed education. True, before that, someone destroyed the country with industry and science.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 04
      +3
      "A full belly is deaf to someone else's grief." (FROM) hi
  • Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 25 December 2020 22: 29
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    80% below and 20% above them. This cannot be changed. This is the law!

    Something you, Vyacheslav, look one-sidedly at the Pareto law. Why not the other way around? 80% on top and 20% on the bottom? Well, those 20 who are incorrigible lazy?
    But in general, this law does not work here. Not the case, alas.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 43
      -4
      Quote: Beringovsky
      But in general, this law does not work here. Not the case, alas.

      It works everywhere. Not everyone sees how ... And they don't know how to use ...
  • Vasiliev S.
    Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 07: 44
    0
    To the point of Landon ...
    Better si teaches, more benefit
  • kalibr
    kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 14
    -8
    Quote: Svarog
    Knowing your dislike for everything Soviet, I am not surprised that you like everything in modern education ..

    But writing like that is stupid, right? Or don't you understand? Not everything. But to everything that led to 1991. Explained easily?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 03
      +9
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Svarog
      Knowing your dislike for everything Soviet, I am not surprised that you like everything in modern education ..

      But writing like that is stupid, right? Or don't you understand? Not everything. But to everything that led to 1991. Explained easily?

      Available. Only if not to everything, then dilute your articles and comments with what was good in the Union ... otherwise, it seems that you are simply turned back from everything Soviet.
      In this case, the perception of you as an author will be more objective.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 18
        -3
        Quote: Svarog
        In this case, the perception of you as an author will be more objective.

        I have written many times that I do not like people of a certain level. They were in the USSR and a lot, they are still there. And there are also many of them and they do the corresponding actions. The question is how to limit their influence on society. I have an article here "The Revolution of the Mediocre." Reread it ... It's interesting.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 26 December 2020 07: 47
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    I study with my middle daughter ..

    I don’t dare to teach you something, but I don’t set such goals, but I think you are doing a disservice to your daughter. I will try to clarify my point of view. In our world we always follow the path of least resistance and energy expenditure. Children especially because of their age. When you replace the teacher at home, the child stops listening and hearing the teacher, because at home everything will be explained to him in detail (as far as he can) and authoritatively by a person who is the first after God. And if he, this authority, speaks critically about the teacher, then a child, a teenager, he will generally cease to be perceived as something worthwhile. Meanwhile, a 35-40 year old teacher, as a rule, repeated the entire program several times. And he is not even a talented teacher, all the same he has experience in conveying the subject to children in accordance with their age characteristics, which you hardly have, because they were taught this, but you were not. The fact that the child will say that something has not been explained to him is a natural reaction. He may simply not hear him in the lesson. And the more you replace the teacher, the less he will hear him.
    With English you are right. The number of hours and the size of the groups do not allow to study it in the proper volume. If you want a "fluent conversational", then without additional training with specialists - nothing. (Completed on both of theirs). My wife and I throughout the elementary school achieved complete homework and almost never "studied" with them, much less did the assignments for them (even to control). We were always in short contact with teachers, especially the CD, and were always aware of the impending crisis. This I mean that the teacher needs to be helped, but you cannot substitute, let alone drop his authority in the eyes of the child. Although one-on-one, you can express your complaints and questions to the teacher. The result is quite successful.
  • for
    for 25 December 2020 20: 10
    +9
    Quote: kalibr
    And as then there were fools teachers, so they are now

    Do you even have any smart person besides you?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 15
      -9
      Quote: for
      Do you even have any smart person besides you?

      They are banned for flooding here!
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 December 2020 22: 35
      -1
      Quote: for
      Quote: kalibr
      And as then there were fools teachers, so they are now

      Do you even have any smart person besides you?

      Rudeness, my friend!
      I can talk about the incompetence of the teaching staff for a long time and tediously. For 10 years of my own and 11 for my child I saw it so many times that there are no words - emotions.
      For a smile!
      If your lessons were not taught by a geography teacher who is also the wife of a military commissar, then the chances of trampling the sands of the southernmost or snow of the northernmost points of our vast homeland are very, very high!
      I was seriously promised in 1995 - Chechnya.
      I had love for school - full pants!
      1. for
        for 26 December 2020 01: 45
        +3
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        I had love for school - full pants!

        Why didn't you study as an external student? For several decades and several generations, including you, these "fools" have learned.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 December 2020 05: 43
          0
          I will surprise you that “teacher - teacher is different”, however, like “people”.
          But with oil to water everyone, or find fault with everyone, I think it's not productive.
          I will say the following, one "goat" spoils the herd and that is enough.
          1. for
            for 26 December 2020 11: 52
            0
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            the herd is spoiled by one "goat" and that's enough.

            But you also belong to one of the "herds" (professions). So you are spoiled too?
      2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 26 December 2020 15: 50
        -1
        As for the "corps incompetence" - when did you manage to get acquainted with all the teachers in the country? I have worked in the public education system for 40 years and I can say that teachers are different. There are brilliant teachers whom children and parents adore, who have their own teaching methods that are able to make their subject a favorite with a student who previously hated this subject fiercely. There are only a few such teachers. There are good teachers who give strong enough knowledge and most of the students master their subject. There are artisan teachers who work in full accordance with the methods and guidelines, but nothing more. The student understood the material - well done, did not understand - his problems. And, finally, bad teachers, whom it would be best not to let the children in, but it turned out that way. I've seen enough of all four categories. Which are more? In different schools it is different. Somewhere good teachers prevail, somewhere artisans. But is this only true in schools? I have no honor to know your "wife of the military commissar", so you yourself will classify her in some category. And what, in our army, all the officers are completely Suvorovs? There are also excellent commanders and mediocre ones and such that even a hamster cannot be trusted with them, let alone a soldier.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 December 2020 16: 57
          0
          Dear Andrey, I will tell you only one thing, "the black sheep spoils the whole flock."
          No offense, for yourself, your wives, children who, like you, beautifully bent "in the system of public education."
          Being in the system and teaching are two different things.
          What I and the members of the forum noted above is the view from parents and children. I can with examples and surnames. For example, when an OBZH teacher does not know how to navigate the terrain using a compass, he does not know that time in Russia is not translated. The drawing teacher cannot name how many angles geometric shapes have.
          I understand that you are offended for your colleagues, but I am less offended for whose children are called above the "USE generation".
          Otherwise, everything is true "teachers are different", as well as people. So I wish your loved ones and relatives not to meet random people in professions and God forbid a teacher.
          By the way, I personally have 17 years of teaching staff, and problems in education were identified by Vyacheslav, who is at least 40, just like you.
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 25 December 2020 20: 13
    +9
    Sorry for the intrusion. After grade 5, my children studied on their own. my wife and I only controlled the process But in our time now my daughter studies with her daughters from beginning to end Or, as an option, hire tutors
    The eldest granddaughter did so poorly at school. that they hired tutors in the 8th and 9th grade. and then she was told that she had to leave. because in the 11th grade she will not pass the Unified State Exam. Now she is in college at the Faculty of Nuclear Power Plants. group leader. certificates of honor. increased scholarship Does not go to school. when he comes home .. and remembers school only badly
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 19
      0
      Quote: Cossack 471
      and remembers school only badly

      And my granddaughter ... not very good!
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 25 December 2020 21: 34
    +2
    Just made up for one minus.
  • Vasiliev S.
    Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 44
    0
    Quote: kalibr
    journalism circle
    Yeah...
    And then we wonder why we live like this ...
  • orcinus
    orcinus 26 December 2020 11: 11
    +1
    "There have been ..." My mother is engaged in online rehearsal in physics and mathematics. Pupils from Kaliningrad to Khabarovsk. A week ago I went to visit my mother, sat drinking tea, waited for her to finish her lesson with a sixth-grader "citizen". The person counted how much would be five by seven 4,5 minutes - mom, already zadolbovshis, just sat and waited while she counted aloud. I think the girl will be a good manager or another blogger)))
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 25 December 2020 19: 23
    +6
    The brave new world has arrived. Digital slavery, it's already here. And nothing can be done. Don't use a computer, smartphone, internet? Maybe it’s yes, but now without a telephone, anywhere, everywhere they demand it. Although why would it? Well, if I don't want to have a phone, so what? Why do I have to mark it?
    Timothy John Berners-Lee, the creator of the Internet as a platform for education, the means by which you can see the Museum of the World, read books without leaving your home, could he think about what this will eventually result in?
    Cyberpunk begins, and already strides across the planet. Good health to you, and all the best.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 25 December 2020 23: 22
      +6
      Quote: Ezoterik
      The brave new world has arrived. Digital slavery, it's already here.

      Alas, in this digital slavery, some categories are not even needed as slaves. Those who are older can no longer cope with this digital nonsense. It's good if they are allowed to live.
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 25 December 2020 19: 39
    -4
    Dear Vladimir. I'll tell you a case from my story. Soviet school, eighth grade. Chemistry, a subject that I loved, and for it they were five in the marks. The chemistry circle led by our chemistry teacher. And so, they send me to the nearest store to buy two eggs, chicken. The teacher gave me money. I went, bought, brought, but they turned out to be rotten. Here is such an incident. The whole circle whinnied smile
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 25 December 2020 19: 55
    +7
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: El Dorado
    Will we agree to become the impersonal, illiterate slaves of the new digital world order?

    Fierce truth .. If you have children and you are interested in how they study and what programs they use .. and even if there is an opportunity to compare with Soviet education .. then you will understand ..

    You are right.
    Once I had a conversation with an acquaintance, the director of the school. I heard a lot of interesting things for myself. She talked about the fact that it became easier to work, since there were no teachers of the old Soviet school left in the school. These Teachers were always arguing with me, debating, trying to change something in the educational process, wherever they wrote, from RONO to the minister and the president. Now they are gone. Teachers work from 25 to 35 years old. And they don't give me any problems, they don't argue. If the work does not suit you, they quietly put down a statement and leave. This is the opinion.
    As a leader, I understand her, subordinates "do not grab the stars from heaven", but they do not bother. But as a teacher, no.
    And the fact that every oligarch, leader, or let's call him simply - "master", would like to have a stupid servant, so this is not news. It is also bad that a century or more ago, the elite really had a brilliant education, spoke 5 languages, understood music, art, mechanics and psychology ..
    But against the background of the modern "elite" soon and the ability to read will be inappropriate exaggeration.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 20
      -1
      Quote: Doccor18
      But against the background of the modern "elite" soon and the ability to read will be inappropriate exaggeration.

      Then it will be replaced by those who can!
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 25 December 2020 20: 49
        +1
        And it’s good if it’s Sophia Augustus Frederica of Anhalt-Zerbst, and not Ernst Johann Biron ...
      2. Sanya Terek
        Sanya Terek 25 December 2020 23: 52
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Then it will be replaced by those who can!

        I quote literally, to Y. Lyubimova, the Minister of Culture: "... Shakespeare wrote comedies. Pushkin wrote MANY COMEDIES."
        There is no one to replace, A.S. Pushkin did not master a single comedy before the inquiries of the Ministry of Culture. He had tragedies, and even those were small. They learned how to add letters, but reading is not a lordly occupation ...
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 25 December 2020 22: 36
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      And the fact that every oligarch, leader, or let's call him simply - "master", would like to have a stupid servants

      It is still possible to have a stupid but healthy assistant driller. But a stupid driller will cost the enterprise, as well as the owner of the enterprise, dearly. So don't generalize. And the article is ooh and sigh without specifics and proposals, or at least directions of exit. In a word - a throw of manure on the fan, but not convincing and unproven. I have weaned two of my own in this system with the Unified State Exam. With a very decent result and subsequent positions at work, allowing to satisfy all family needs. Whoever wants, gets the desired result. They also had additional classes before graduation, and in my Soviet era. They trained the tests for the Unified State Exam, we decided tickets for the entire 10th grade. The only difference is that they are simultaneously torturing fate with their USE in five universities, and we could only have passed four additional exams with questionnaires, testing and some other dregs in only one.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 December 2020 22: 50
        +5
        Quote: Hagen
        they and their USE are simultaneously torturing fate in five universities, and we could only in one

        And then out of the five thousand conditionally enrolled, a fifth comes, who don't care about which university to enter.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 25 December 2020 22: 54
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And then out of the five thousand conditionally enrolled, a fifth comes, who don't care about which university to enter.

          I won't tell you anything here. I am not the rector of a university, I have no such statistics. I have two children of my own, and I worry about them. For those who care about where to go, their parents should be worried. Worrying about "five thousand parole" is not on my paycheck.
      2. Vasiliev S.
        Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 59
        -1
        A stupid one won't get out of drillers.
        You obviously do not know who the driller is.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 26 December 2020 07: 10
          +1
          Quote: VasilievS
          A stupid one won't get out of drillers.

          Therefore, all did not knock out, only a few.
    3. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 04: 57
      +1
      mechanics and psychology
      At the amateur level.
      Nobody could draw a gear.
      This "elite" lived mainly on rent.
      Such a profession is not needed.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 25 December 2020 20: 02
    +1
    "We closed our eyes to this, but we can,
    preopen "(c)
  • smart ass
    smart ass 25 December 2020 20: 12
    +4
    It is easier to manage a dull herd, the main thing is that they go to work and consume goods and the rest does not matter
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 25 December 2020 21: 04
      +2
      Yes, there are a couple more points. You need to know arithmetic, count to ten. And be able to vote correctly. He puts a cross or a tick where the uncles and aunts on TV suggest.
      But seriously, in a nightmare I could not have dreamed how the Great Soviet People would be made into a population. The goal of this upbringing is every man for himself and do not care about everything else.
      Such a population is, of course, easier to manage.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 29
        -3
        Quote: Reserve officer
        how the Great Soviet People will be made into a population.

        If he were really great, then no one would have done anything with him. From the most ordinary people called "great" you can do anything you want.
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      2. apro
        apro 25 December 2020 22: 01
        +1
        Quote: Reserve officer
        how the Great Soviet People will make the population

        The Soviet people on the territory of the Russian Federation ended 1991 on December 25 ...
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 December 2020 22: 42
      +3
      Quote: Clever man
      It is easier to manage a dull herd, the main thing is that they go to work and consume goods and the rest does not matter

      Is not a fact. A dumb subordinate is a big problem! The most offensive thing is that this problem sometimes happily does not understand how much of a problem it is! You can manipulate him, but there's no point in doing this with a stick. All that is more difficult "bring - flood" you do for him either yourself, or load others.
      1. Vasiliev S.
        Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 04
        +2
        Looking where.
        Behind the cashier - either he will not steal or they will immediately be caught.
        Now there are a bunch of deeply scripted positions where thinking is harmful, you need to mechanically perform the same thing ...
        PS: kicked the conductor out of the compartment when she tried to make her "speech" about two toilets, etc.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 December 2020 05: 52
          +2
          Quote: VasilievS
          PS: kicked the conductor out of the compartment when she tried to make her "speech" about two toilets


          I constantly run about in the service. “Speech about two toilets” may have been heard in early childhood. Apparently you have not simply aroused "trust". On the other hand, perhaps they wanted to flirt with you or banal "protocol".
          My opinion to offend the most defenseless is not a feat, but close to rudeness. They would just joke back.
          Best regards, Kote.
          1. Vasiliev S.
            Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 06: 00
            +2
            I don't think you understand.
            I cited this as an example of scripting - the conductor is obliged to tell everyone about toilets something else, I didn’t listen.
            Perform mechanically point by point.
            It annoys me.
            I also yell at sellers when they say hello and carry other nonsense.
            I don't know you and I don't want to know - why the heck is your health?
            And there is no need for "respect" - respect when you are silent and work quickly, like an automatic machine.
            The fact that it is rude, inclined to rudeness - I do not deny.
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 December 2020 06: 10
            +2
            And people also appreciate the joke. And a kind word. And they are sincerely grateful.

            They just don't have that many outlets at work.
            1. Vasiliev S.
              Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 07: 25
              0
              I have like a lot ...
              No, the clockwork dummy will get nothing from me except swearing.
              Let him be pleased that I am not yelling at obscenities.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 26 December 2020 07: 29
                +2
                Why shout obscenities?
                Here "Night on the Goboto" by Jack London was remembered.
                1. Vasiliev S.
                  Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 07: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Korsar4
                  Why shout obscenities?
                  Habit.
                  I live in Russia, I often communicate with Russians ...
                  With wolves live on wolf howls.
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 26 December 2020 08: 02
                    +4
                    I disagree. Most of them are from Russia.
                    How wolves are we? I do not know. Not sure.
                    Ultimately, the niche we occupy depends on our own inclinations.
                  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 December 2020 08: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: VasilievS
                    Quote: Korsar4
                    Why shout obscenities?
                    Habit.
                    I live in Russia, I often communicate with Russians ...
                    With wolves live on wolf howls.

                    Well, what will I advise you, but I will tell you a parable from my own experience.
                    Years ago they raised us on alarm at night. One goof escaped. They put us between Yekaterinburg and Verkhnyaya Pyshma to inspect all vehicles for the "escaped miracle"! Yekaterinburg has about two Lyams of the population, Pyshma - ten times less. By 11 o'clock there is already a desire to kill all motorists, passengers, and you get on the bus and put on a smile on duty and further in the text.
                    The flow is reduced to a minimum, people are angry, buckets of slop are pouring on you. Subordinates do not cope, they themselves will hyster and freak out for 6 hours on their feet.
                    And you, as an institute, “such and such, such and such, have not seen a teenager, age, signs, etc.”. You have "poop in your face", and you "have a good day, too."
                    Every tenth driver is looking for a boss to complain about your blockhead, who could not stand it and blurted out too much. You apologize, joke, smile.
                    By 12 noon, I go into the next "possibly hundredth" fixed-route taxi and here it is our "nightly disturbing miracle". The driver who himself five times past us dashed his eye mows "it", "it"!
                    How I wanted this fugitive, and you again “young man, your documents. No, then go to the patrol car. "
                    Routine, dummies, duty stamps.
                    Sometimes we follow the "dumb orders", but we get results.
                    The second example.
                    Fresh, Ural Airlines almost fired the stewardess, who took pity on the passenger and gave her box with food. Violated protocol. Recovered at work through the court of second instance.
                    Well, a wish, to the wolves - it's you in the forest, better in February.
                    There are more people in Russia.
                    I have the honor.
                  3. Vasiliev S.
                    Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 08: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                    Violated protocol.

                    That is why the executors of the minutes from me will not see a kind word or politeness.
                    Never.
                    This is my principled position.
                  4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 December 2020 20: 43
                    0
                    Quote: VasilievS

                    That is why the executors of the minutes from me will not see a kind word or politeness.
                    Never.
                    This is my principled position.


                    Well, and a stupid position, if your child or spouse runs into a similar boor, will you like it?
                  5. Vasiliev S.
                    Vasiliev S. 27 December 2020 01: 24
                    +1
                    I don't like it much more if they have to work as a salesperson and a guide, point by point.
                    Smart or not to decide for me, your opinion does not matter to me.
                    I will continue to yell.
                    I consider it a duty that the service did not seem like honey.
  • orcinus
    orcinus 26 December 2020 11: 21
    +1
    The big problem is not a dumb subordinate, but a very smart one, who turns on the "dumb" mode)
  • Squelcher
    Squelcher 25 December 2020 22: 35
    0
    And with what education did people charge banks in front of the TV?
  • nobody75
    nobody75 26 December 2020 18: 45
    0
    how do they learn and what programs

    And, excuse me, can you give an example of such a "wrong" program or FGOS? Do you seriously think that some of the teachers follow these programs?
    Sincerely
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 27 December 2020 02: 41
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    then you will understand ..

    I'm afraid she won't understand ... My eldest daughter studied according to the textbooks of the USSR - at home, and at school according to the Russian ...
  • O. Bender
    O. Bender 27 December 2020 08: 07
    0
    I completely agree, my youngest son is 8 years old, I know all the delights of the current education process firsthand.
    than to compare, the eldest graduated from school in 2001, the middle son in 2015 (although grades 9, now he is finishing his defense college in May). During the last 25 years, changes in quality, in the ideology of education, I consider catastrophic.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 25 December 2020 18: 08
    11 th
    Quote: El Dorado
    Fierce delirium ...


    The last one this year is Piatnzzo !!! We will read something else today.
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    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 December 2020 22: 46
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      Quote: El Dorado
      Fierce delirium ...


      The last one this year is Piatnzzo !!! We will read something else today.


      Eka like 8 cons! Love and pigeons. More precisely, a society of hamsters, which believes in cliches and mantras.
      And if you argue with Sergei? Weak?
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  • 210ox
    210ox 25 December 2020 18: 11
    11
    Exactly. What the Levanovs, Fursenki, Grefs do.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 25 December 2020 18: 40
      +8
      The main thing: the names are known, the results of the activity are also known, but he cannot do anything. Apparently satisfied or they are not subject to jurisdiction? That is the question.
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    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2020 19: 06
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      Exactly. What the Levanovs, Fursenki, Grefs do.
      At ASI, the author of the Education -2035 project, Peskov, was in charge of personnel training, including the reform of secondary vocational education. And these comrades will all together teach our children about life.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 25 December 2020 18: 47
    0
    Quote: El Dorado
    Fierce delirium ...

    When they can't answer the question who wrote "Oginsky's Polonaise", nonsense?
    When the question, the capital of London is answered by Paris, nonsense?
    Yes, I know a lot of examples of blatant illiteracy
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 25 December 2020 19: 01
      +9
      Why are they killing the Russian school?
      a question for Putin, Chubais, Gref and the company.
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 25 December 2020 19: 14
        +6
        Who founded Krasnoyarsk is a question for second graders? Their answer is Putin!
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 25 December 2020 19: 07
      0
      The creator of the polonaise as a criterion for education?) Are exaggerating in earnest. And name me the authors of the tragedy "Medea" and the comedy "Frogs". Without the help of Google. Don't answer, your education suffers)
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 25 December 2020 19: 12
        0
        Quote: Deniska999
        Without the help of Google. Don't answer, your education suffers)

        Let him suffer. I finished school more than a century ago, I may not remember everything
        The creator of the polonaise as a criterion for education?)
        Criterion of the level of mental development that the SCHOOL should develop
      2. Sanya Terek
        Sanya Terek 25 December 2020 23: 42
        0
        Quote: Deniska999
        And name me the authors of the tragedy "Medea" and the comedy "Frogs". Without the help of Google. Don't answer, your education suffers)

        And name me the author of the story "Tierra del Fuego" from the extracurricular reading course of the 8th grade? Don't answer YOUR education suffers.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 December 2020 19: 09
      +6
      Quote: Lipchanin
      When the question, the capital of London is answered by Paris, nonsense?

      I don’t know about London, but about Beijing they couldn’t answer 5 out of 10. And to the question “What religion is in Israel, they answered everything they could, and only one answered - Judaism.
    4. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 06
      -1
      What is a polonaise?
      Really, no kidding - you were brought into the wrong steppe at all!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 19: 02
    +3
    Quote: El Dorado
    Fierce delirium ...

    Justify, if you can, of course.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 11
      +1
      Here at some "self" breaks out. Age or clinic. request
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 26 December 2020 01: 58
        0
        hi
        Quote: lexus
        Here at some "self" breaks out. Age or clinic.

        Clinic, I suppose, the article with the TV "does not beat", that's the break in the template and it turns out.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 26 December 2020 02: 03
          +1
          "Zomboyaschik" is a source of lies and "stench".
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 26 December 2020 02: 11
            +1
            Quote: lexus
            "Zomboyaschik" is a source of lies and "stench".

            But what about "Time Forward", and Soloviev - "ours"? Screponauts need them like air.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 26 December 2020 02: 12
              +1
              "Hydrogen sulfide sources" are not equally useful for everyone. laughing
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 26 December 2020 02: 15
                0
                Quote: lexus
                "Hydrogen sulfide sources" are not equally useful for everyone.

                I bought myself a book Povarnin "Theory and argumentation of the dispute" 1954. Brains are great cleansing.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 26 December 2020 02: 17
                  +1
                  Unfortunately, some opponents have nothing to clean here. request
  • The popuas
    The popuas 25 December 2020 19: 39
    +4
    Yeah ... you will fool
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 25 December 2020 20: 03
    +5
    Take the trouble to find the rule "zhi-shi and more-shcha" as it is taught now in school. I read it several times and asked my granddaughter; "Where is the rule itself?" Something is smeared on two pages. retelling is unrealistic. remember. all the more And by the way Fursenko is now the presidential advisor on science Science was crying ...
  • Escobar
    Escobar 25 December 2020 21: 05
    +1
    Will we agree to become the impersonal, illiterate slaves of the new digital world order?
    How long have shepherds started asking their rams what to do with them?
  • apro
    apro 25 December 2020 21: 59
    0
    I agree ... they do not kill, but create a Russian school, according to the needs of the state of the Russian Federation, to which the people of the Russian Federation expressed their support at the vote, both for the president and in the dumka ...
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 December 2020 23: 17
    +2
    Quote: El Dorado
    Fierce delirium ...

    not so long ago we made an order - an advertising banner on magnetic mounts, the materials brought the banner printed
    a call from the workshop, we have defective magnets, they are not magnetized
    began to understand, and then did not know whether to cry or laugh, at the assembly the young lady is trying to "glue" two magnets to each other with the same poles, of course, it is absolutely ineffectual
    based on this, she considered the magnets to be defective, and you are talking nonsense
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 13
      +1
      Victims of the Unified State Exam. There is nothing to take from them, except for analyzes. hi
  • vlad106
    vlad106 25 December 2020 18: 14
    +6
    kill purposefully, with a long-range scope!
  • Moore
    Moore 25 December 2020 18: 25
    +9
    It's like that. Fursenko, Gref (yes, he headed the coordinating council for the development of Russian education) and a whole galaxy of other quiet and inconspicuous creatures tore apart and are ruining what makes Russia still Russia. The author asks if we will agree to endure this demonic Sabbath. Who would ask us from the authorities about this ... Someone pulled Gref when he crucified with disgusting cynicism about the dangers of informing the population and giving it at least some kind of power? But Vasilyeva, who was trying to fight this globalist paradigm, was devoured without choking.
    Draw conclusions ...
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  • ee2100
    ee2100 25 December 2020 18: 31
    -4
    The first one who commented wrote "fierce delirium"
    And this is true, I didn’t want to write a comment, but Samsonov mixed everything and "horses and people", the fact that he does not see that he has one leg in socialism, something in the middle, and the other leg in modern times. The world has changed and it is not easy to study Euclidean geometry. And the diaais are different.
    Evolution has once again turned the flywheel mb. stories, mb. time. Who knows.
    The article is grumbling at the present and the USE in particular.
    The Unified State Exam is a consequence of the collapse of the education system of the USSR, and not vice versa, as they want to assure us.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 25 December 2020 18: 57
      -8
      The exam is a consequence of the collapse of the education system of the USSR

      The exam is just a written exam.
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 25 December 2020 19: 23
        12
        Arzt - There is an old adage: How the same question is formulated for different people -
        1. For normal people, the question is: "What is the current strength measured?"
        2. for the idiots, the question sounds like this: "What is the current strength measured? In volts, in ohms, in amperes - underline the necessary."
        3. for the finished fools: "Is it not in amperes that the current strength is measured."
        The Unified State Exam is the cultivation of "push-buttons", idiots - "underline the necessary", not far off is the third stage of this process, complete moronization, in fact, this is already happening.
        Academician Kapitsa wrote about this:
        “The data from VTsIOM show that we have finally come to what we have been striving for all these 15 years, - we have brought up the country of idiots. If Russia continues to follow the same course, then in ten years there will be no more of those who today at least occasionally pick up a book. And we will get a country that will be easier to rule, from which it will be easier to suck natural resources. But this country has no future! " There is no reason not to believe a great scientist.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 25 December 2020 19: 31
          11
          Quote: Nazar
          complete moronization, in fact, this is already happening.

          Complete moronization will come with distance learning ...
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 25 December 2020 19: 35
            +6
            ROSS 42 - You're right. And this is no longer "tomorrow" - today, under the pretext of "covidly" children are increasingly driven to the "distance",
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 19: 55
              -2
              Quote: Nazar
              And this is no longer "tomorrow" - today, under the pretext of "covidly" children are increasingly driven to the "distance"

              Distance has its advantages, only you need to sit at home with children.
              1. Nazar
                Nazar 26 December 2020 04: 32
                +3
                aleksejkabanets - Of course, it is possible to sit at home with children during training, if there is someone to feed you, but only then, how will your "home" children feel among people? Or will you be with them for life, until they retire? How to behave in a team, how to communicate with different people (and with idiots as well) must also be learned from childhood. A distance student excludes live communication with peers, and "communication" in social networks is like having sex on the phone. hi
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 27 December 2020 17: 50
                  +1
                  hi
                  Quote: Nazar
                  Of course, you can sit at home with children during training if you have someone to feed you

                  Yes, one parent must stay at home.
                  Quote: Nazar
                  How will your "home" children feel among people?

                  I have a large family, so many questions disappear at once. In addition, they go to sports sections, communicate well with neighboring children, and go for a walk together.
                  Quote: Nazar
                  The distance student excludes live communication with peers, and "communication" in social networks is like having sex on the phone.

                  There are, of course, both pros and cons. An undoubted plus is the absence of that negative "educational" influence that the school carries in itself. First of all, the education of selfishness and infantilism, and secondly, I believe that children should be protected from the excessive attention of the church, in our Kuban this is relevant. Is it a joke if children from school bring "knowledge" that people descended from Adam and Eve. Cons You, of course, wrote correctly, but I, as I can, try to level them.
                  1. Nazar
                    Nazar 28 December 2020 04: 38
                    +1
                    aleksejkabanets - You wrote correctly about the fact that the ROC is too active at school. And this is not only in the Kuban, in Yekaterinburg on September 1, on the "day of knowledge" (!!!), future first-graders were given a procession with a prayer for good grades, they were completely stupid, it is not clear where the parents were looking?
                    My children are already grown men, now I worry about grandchildren, although the eldest grandson is already a student. hi
            2. kalibr
              kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 33
              0
              Quote: Nazar
              children are increasingly driven to the "distance",

              And my granddaughter likes the distance. No idiots distract from study ...
        2. Escobar
          Escobar 25 December 2020 21: 24
          +4
          Well, yes, thanks to the Unified State Exam, all preparation for admission resulted in guessing the answers. And then these people turn out to be doctors who treat us, engineers, technologists.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 December 2020 22: 54
            0
            Quote: Eskobar
            Well, yes, thanks to the Unified State Exam, all preparation for admission resulted in guessing the answers. And then these people turn out to be doctors who treat us, engineers, technologists.

            Try to pass a similar guessing game for 100 points! So go for a jerk, by all the rules and show off your results.
        3. Doctor
          Doctor 25 December 2020 21: 26
          0
          Arzt - There is an old adage: How the same question is formulated for different people -
          1. For normal people, the question is: "What is the current strength measured?"
          2. for the idiots, the question sounds like this: "What is the current strength measured? In volts, in ohms, in amperes - underline the necessary."
          3. for the finished fools: "Is it not in amperes that the current strength is measured."

          You just haven't seen the options for the USE questions.
          Here is an example of the USE in physics for 2021.
          Well, try to "underline correctly" the answers in "questions for the downed fools." laughing

          1. Nazar
            Nazar 26 December 2020 04: 43
            +4
            Arzt - Maybe I can also take part in the "guess the melody" contest?
            Fifty years ago, I graduated from a specialized physics and mathematics school, received an engineering education and worked in my specialty for over forty years. I have something to compare with what quality engineers (after university) came to production 20 years ago and what comes now
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 26 December 2020 07: 55
              -1
              Arzt - Maybe I can also take part in the "guess the melody" contest?

              I have no doubts about your education.
              But do you see how the questions are formulated in the exam?
              You can't guess, you have to DECIDE. fool

              At the same time, unlike the USSR exam, everything is objective, decide correctly and you are a student, if you want an appeal - it's easy, everything is written and therefore verifiable .. belay
            2. Doctor
              Doctor 26 December 2020 08: 02
              -1
              I have something to compare with what quality engineers (after university) came to production 20 years ago and what comes now

              And this is the problem of universities.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 19: 30
      +8
      Quote: ee2100
      The world has changed and it is not easy to study Euclidean geometry.

      Can you explain why? Is Euclidean geometry obsolete?
      Quote: ee2100
      The article is grumbling at the present and the USE in particular.
      The Unified State Exam is a consequence of the collapse of the education system of the USSR, and not vice versa, as they want to assure us.

      The Unified State Exam is a consequence of the collapse of the USSR and its education system, of course. The present state no longer needs creators, it needs obedient slaves. Hence the education reform. Do you think otherwise?
    3. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 25 December 2020 20: 20
      +3
      How much has changed in mathematics, for example, in 50 years? Practically nothing. A few words like "collinear and coplanar" were added and that's it. But the teaching methodology has become such that children. our smart children. stupid What a devil in mathematics. physics. Russian language has several options for textbooks? Who received the awards for their writing?
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 25 December 2020 18: 34
    -2
    Well, the direction may be correct and in parts nonsense. the number of schools as well as hospitals is strongly tied to urban population growth.
    Shl verngite Soviet textbooks! angry
    1. apro
      apro 25 December 2020 18: 43
      -1
      Quote: Evil Booth
      Shl verngite Soviet textbooks!

      What for?
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 19: 33
        +3
        Quote: apro
        Shl verngite Soviet textbooks!

        Then you will have to change the education system back to the Soviet one. I have children in family education, they study from Soviet textbooks. The difference is very significant.
        1. apro
          apro 25 December 2020 19: 35
          0
          The Soviet education system for the Soviet economy and Soviet goal-setting ... today is somewhat different.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 19: 49
            +3
            Quote: apro
            The Soviet education system for the Soviet economy and Soviet goal-setting ... today is somewhat different.

            Who knows which country we will leave to our children. This is on the one hand, and on the other hand, applied mathematics cannot be canceled by anyone, it will always be in demand.
            1. apro
              apro 25 December 2020 20: 24
              +2
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Who knows which country we will leave to our children.

              And will we leave at all ...
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 20: 40
                +1
                Quote: apro
                And will we leave at all ...

                We must leave. And not like that.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 25
                  +3
                  Those who turned her into a personal feeding trough will disagree with us.
        2. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 25 December 2020 20: 35
          -1
          family education is of course a separate controversy. however, you ask the children. if the kitchen cabinet is 85 cm and the electric stove is 85 cm and the top of the shelf for everything (well, the shelf) is also 85, then WHY is the top of the dishwasher 85 too ... and where is the shelf above it! you will see whether they will guess or not. everyone hasn't guessed for decades. there are hundreds and thousands of such examples. and in general if you dig the patents base on the implemented ones, the same amount. including the seat belts in the car, they were not) kkaa such an inertia with a flight through the glass ... they didn’t deafen although the brakes were made and they didn’t feel the connection, and so, too, for decades blind copying.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 31
      -1
      However, people who studied according to Soviet textbooks allowed 91 years? Why would you? How so? After all, they were so educated, so reading ... And this was allowed?
      1. Sanya Terek
        Sanya Terek 26 December 2020 00: 18
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        However, people who studied according to Soviet textbooks allowed 91 years? Why would you? How so? After all, they were so educated, so reading ... And this was allowed?

        Vyacheslav, how did you counteract what happened in 1991? Education did not allow you? Have you read a few books? Bloody "komunnyaki" did not give life?
  • Graduate student
    Graduate student 25 December 2020 18: 38
    30
    The destruction of the education system went in parallel with the cultural, mental and physical degradation of the masses

    Why did it go? The destruction of education is still going on with leaps and bounds.
  • apro
    apro 25 December 2020 18: 43
    +3
    A logical question arises ... why is education in the Russian Federation ... if there is nowhere to apply it? And for the proposed work, a higher school is not needed, yes, and secondary education is redundant ... to educate citizens?
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 25 December 2020 20: 32
      -7
      vsepalschik and how to prove that there is nowhere bully interesting is
      1. apro
        apro 25 December 2020 20: 33
        +3
        Yes ... 15 rubles of work in bulk ...
  • U-58
    U-58 25 December 2020 18: 55
    +9
    The author is right. And if today there are still attempts to be horrified at the degradation of education and "emerging", then tomorrow everything will become the norm, which does not raise any questions ...
    Moreover, it is much easier to become a cattle than a clever, prudent one.
    Something like this is described by Nosov about Dunno on the Moon and filmed by Danelia (Kin-Dza-Dza)
  • vavilon
    vavilon 25 December 2020 18: 56
    +6
    The liberal "elite" of Russia does not need educated offspring, it is easier to manage a herd, it can be driven into any "stall"
  • mark2
    mark2 25 December 2020 19: 03
    -9
    Hello kummushkam. Well, as long as we creep on the problems of education and do nothing? Well, as always. Putting the plus signs for those who are against the government. Svarog is a plus. This is a tradition. Put plus Svarog for any statement. I'm a minus, please, and more. For trolling.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 December 2020 19: 10
      +4
      Quote: mark2
      Svarog is a plus. This is a tradition. Put plus Svarog for any statement. I'm a minus, please, and more. For trolling.

      Rather for a flood .. Do you have something to say on the merits of the question? Or you want a plus sign .. Say something sensible and reasoned .. even if you like this system .. only with arguments .. I'll put you a plus sign)
      1. mark2
        mark2 25 December 2020 19: 35
        -7
        Have something to say
        1. Mythological Soviet education. Myth and fairy tale. Secondary school provided secondary education for admission to vocational school. Or a middle-class university. More was required to enter the universities of Moscow.
        2. Excellent education in the USSR was also available only to the elites.
        3. Universal literacy and education did not lead the country to either developed communism or civilized socialism, nor did it save it from collapse. I'm not talking about the fact that apple trees on Mars did not bloom, as our ancestors dreamed.
        Those. literate and educated few, but little sense.
        5. As it turned out, during the years of industrialization, many people with higher education were required, but much more labor was required.
        5. Good education should be elite, not universal. Otherwise, it is devalued. Lomonosov units, why waste a resource on those who will not use it anyway? 3 parish class and enough. The one who wants to do this will think for him and will make every effort to be the best.
        6. I will immediately make a reservation on the "argument" that education will become available only to the rich. Exactly, it will be so. And it is right. Because it is so everywhere. Which is better, one competent leader in the herd or a herd of leaders?
        And I don't care deeply: pluses minuses ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 25 December 2020 20: 06
          +6
          Quote: mark2
          And I don't care deeply: pluses minuses ...

          I gave you a plus .. with a trembling hand and because I promised .. Although your arguments are in no way ..
          1. Mythological Soviet education. Myth and fairy tale. Secondary school provided secondary education for admission to vocational school. Or a middle-class university. More was required to enter the universities of Moscow.

          Tell us more about it? laughing
          The system of Soviet education was adopted by many capitalist countries .. only this fact already speaks of the effectiveness of education in the USSR ..


          The states, independently competing with the USSR, waste their strength and resources in attempts that are doomed to failure. If it is impossible to constantly invent methods superior to those of the USSR, it is worth seriously thinking about borrowing and adapting Soviet methods. "
          2. Excellent education in the USSR was also available only to the elites.

          Now we can say with confidence that education in the USSR was at the highest level, which is confirmed by the conclusion of Western analysts. Of course, it did not meet world standards in many ways. But now we are well aware that this is a problem of "standards". For now we have the same world standards. Only the most capable representatives of our youth, trained in accordance with these standards, by our Soviet standards, do not pull at literate at all. So so ... solid C grade. Therefore, there is no doubt that it is not a matter of Ministers Fursenko or Livanov, that the current problem lies exclusively in the system itself.
          1. mark2
            mark2 25 December 2020 20: 24
            -6
            Now we can say with confidence that education in the USSR was at the highest level,

            Now you can assert anything you want, feeding the myth of the great and mighty USSR. However, now it is not communism and the Union has sunk into summer. And for some reason people with the best Soviet education did not rush forward after the "prison of peoples" collapsed. Only a few, and even then not entirely in high technology, I would say. One can blame the leadership, however, surprisingly, it also received the best Soviet education at the highest level.
            And yes, what kind of education is it that has not taught you to think a couple of steps ahead? Maybe, if you think about it, the union and blame was not worth it, but simply to specify goals and objectives. That is to say, indicate the exact direction, and not the over-the-horizon goal - communism. Like our beloved China. He does not build transcendental goals, but simply works.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 25 December 2020 20: 52
              +7
              Quote: mark2

              Now you can assert anything you want, feeding the myth of the great and mighty USSR. However, now it is not communism and the Union has sunk into summer

              History repeats itself .. and will repeat itself .. Nothing has gone anywhere ..
              And for some reason, people with the best Soviet education did not rush forward after the "prison of peoples" collapsed

              People were naive and bought into the husk .. cola advertising does not mean at all that it is useful .. and today everyone understands this .. especially those who did not fit into the market ..
              One can blame the leadership, however, surprisingly, it also received the best Soviet education at the highest level.

              Among scientists and eminent, there are also traitors .. education is not a moral criterion.
              And yes, what kind of education is it that has not taught you to think a couple of steps ahead? Maybe, if you think about it, the union and blame was not worth it, but simply to specify goals and objectives. That is to say, indicate the exact direction, and not the over-the-horizon goal - communism. Like our beloved China. He does not build transcendental goals, but simply works.

              And here I agree. Communism, at this level of human development, is not available. But socialism is a vital reality.
              And the Union, ordinary citizens did not want to blame .. it was dumped by traitors, whose followers are still running .. And they dumped only because the political system was far from perfect. Nobody argues that there were problems, but they were all solvable .. unlike today's ones .. and quite simply solvable .. but the traitors determined the course of history.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 37
                -2
                Quote: Svarog
                People were naive and bought into the husk ..

                Educated people DO NOT BE NAIVE. They are naive as if they were not educated. There is no need for tales about the deceived. I myself gave lectures to people about how the party and personally Comrade Brezhnev are fighting for world peace!
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 40
                  +6
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Quote: Svarog
                  People were naive and bought into the husk ..

                  Educated people DO NOT BE NAIVE. They are naive as if they were not educated. There is no need for tales about the deceived. I myself gave lectures to people about how the party and personally Comrade Brezhnev are fighting for world peace!

                  Educated, just the most naive .. For they are often carried away and look at life from a different angle, where primitive instincts are poorly displayed ..
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 35
                    -1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Educated, just the most naive .. For they are often carried away and look at life from a different angle, where primitive instincts are poorly displayed ..

                    I have never met such people, although I worked at the Higher School from 1982 to 2017. I have met naive educated people ...
                  2. Plate
                    Plate 26 December 2020 18: 59
                    0
                    So if a person does not see primitive instincts, he is either educated, but an idealist, or uneducated. There were no uneducated people in the USSR, as I understood from your words. From the words of official Soviet propaganda, I understand that idealism was fought back then, but materialism was promoted. Which just has to show the world as it is. With all his primal instincts.
              2. kalibr
                kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 41
                0
                Quote: Svarog
                Nobody argues that there were problems

                Well, you must ... Finally, the ice has broken. Now I would also like to determine% of the problems that are directly inherent in our socialism.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 44
                  +5
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Nobody argues that there were problems

                  Well, you must ... Finally, the ice has broken. Now I would also like to determine% of the problems that are directly inherent in our socialism.

                  We have already discussed this with you .. and I have never argued that there were problems .. It is not measured in percentages .. There were two main problems .. the first was the political system of government, the second was not the correct distribution .. This is my subjective sight.
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Svarog
                    There were two main problems. The first was the political system of government, the second was not the correct distribution.

                    One can still agree with the first, although it is very vague. The second is fundamentally wrong. This is a consequence, not a cause. Somehow I will write what problem was seen in the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1985, I have a notebook of the lecturer of the RK CPSU from there. It was announced to us. I will write an article about agitation and propaganda in the USSR in the late 80s - I will insert it there.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 25 December 2020 22: 19
                      +4
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Quote: Svarog
                      There were two main problems. The first was the political system of government, the second was not the correct distribution.

                      One can still agree with the first, although it is very vague. The second is fundamentally wrong. This is a consequence, not a cause. Somehow I will write what problem was seen in the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1985, I have a notebook of the lecturer of the RK CPSU from there. It was announced to us. I will write an article about agitation and propaganda in the USSR in the late 80s - I will insert it there.

                      I think there is a need to make a separate material about problems .. because the topic is very important and interesting .. if, of course, you approach it objectively and impartially.
                      1. kalibr
                        kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I think there is a need to make a separate material about problems .. because the topic is very important and interesting .. if, of course, you approach it objectively and impartially.

                        I think it will be possible to answer this question within the framework of a series of articles on the peasantry in Russia ...
              3. kalibr
                kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 43
                -1
                Quote: Svarog
                Among scientists and eminent, there are also traitors .. education is not a moral criterion.

                And it already happened! "Long hair and speaks in an undertone. Traitors, Russia is dead ... It must be writing, flirting ..." You are not really a writer. But the commentator!
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 25 December 2020 21: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Among scientists and eminent, there are also traitors .. education is not a moral criterion.

                  And it already happened! "Long hair and speaks in an undertone. Traitors, Russia is dead ... It must be writing, flirting ..." You are not really a writer. But the commentator!

                  Well, again you are categorical .. or maybe I'll try myself in writing ..))
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Svarog
                    maybe I'll try myself in writing ..))

                    Try it, do I mind. It's just not easy. It is necessary to write 2 pages of text regularly, every day. Or 8 thousand characters each, which is better. Try ... But first ... try writing an essay or type of essay on the three topics "The Fifth Season", "The Four Colors of Time" and "The World of Four Horizons". I've already offered one here, but he was apparently afraid. And I would write the results to you in a personal (only this way). And the MOST IMPORTANT thing; the maximum volume is 2,5 pages, the minimum is not limited. Try it, I wonder ... Give your grandson a prodigy ... Let's see what he does, huh?
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 25 December 2020 22: 20
                      +3
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Try it, do I mind. It's just not easy.

                      I know that this is a lot of work that requires a lot of time .. if it's over to write quality material .. But there is no time yet, but there are interesting topics ..))
                      1. kalibr
                        kalibr 25 December 2020 22: 37
                        0
                        And about three compositions? If not yourself, can you suggest it to your grandson?
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 25 December 2020 22: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: kalibr
                        And about three compositions? If not yourself, can you suggest it to your grandson?

                        He is still two years old ..))
                      3. kalibr
                        kalibr 26 December 2020 06: 58
                        +1
                        I understood you so that he is much older ...
          2. kalibr
            kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 47
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            but the traitors determined the course of history.

            Ay-ay. G.V. Plekhanov "Towards the Development of the Question of a Monistic View of History". By the way, Lenin rated this work very highly, and even today it has not lost its relevance. Oh, yes ... you have the best Soviet education. It is forgiven not to know her. I forgot ... "And she feeds on fables!" (A.S. Pushkin) It will be more accurate.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 25 December 2020 19: 44
    +4
    If in essence, then the article is another Samsonian delirium, where the issue of education serves as a background for the traditional sketch about "super-ethnos" and "Russian progressive spirit"
    Vladimir, if you studied in a Soviet school, what percentage of Soviet school graduates, in your opinion, could be called really highly educated people who knew who Oginsky was and what he wrote?
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 25 December 2020 23: 32
      +1
      If you will, I will fit in. I will burst that 55 percent of high school students knew about the existence of the Oginsky Polonaise. Just an estimate. From the ceiling.
      It was customary for us to read. And when you read, something remains in your head.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 26 December 2020 00: 44
        +5
        The ceiling doesn't fit here. I, in fact, why the question asked. Just wondering how many more years propagandists of all stripes will parasitize on the history of the USSR? And these parasites have already disfigured this story beyond recognition, both in general and in particular. Therefore, propagandists from Soviet schools left a continuous line of highly educated future creators, Ivanov the Terrible, Suvorov, Lomonosov, Pushkin, Tolstoy and Korolev. The truth is not clear, and Lomonosov and Pushkin to the Soviet school.
        However, in reality, this picture was not at all so blissful. The level of knowledge of the pupils of a rural school of some Novoselovka and 175 of a Moscow school differed by orders of magnitude. Therefore, in the USSR, not everyone had access to quality education. Someone expounded mathematics by Konstantinov, someone else - Ivan Ivanovich, he is also a teacher of labor and the German language and who himself did not know who Oginsky was. The first after school entered MGIMO, the second - in vocational school. Today, this is simply no longer covered by any ideological screens. If you have money, you will receive a quality education in an elite school according to individual programs. No - TsPSh, as in the Russian Empire, which gave us Suvorov, Pushkin, Tolstoy ...
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 December 2020 04: 24
          0
          Very similar to that. I can somehow speak from my modest university.
          But I will say that it was essential to get into the bottleneck of admission.
          Starting from the second year, the guys from the regions who were accustomed to work took their toll.

          Somewhere in the last 15 years - with school knowledge the situation is close to catastrophic.

          At the same time, I am sure that there is only one reliable - self-education.
          And now I respect the character of the guys from small towns of Tver, Vologda, Yaroslavl and other regions.

          Moreover, everything differs from region to region.
          But the basis is the character itself (I understand that it sounds rather pretentious).

          And so: from the Moscow region differs by district. And Moscow is a different world.
          And a lot comes from the family.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 25 December 2020 19: 16
    +6
    Quote: mark2
    ... I have a minus, please, and more. For trolling.

    Minus? Easy. And on the topic?
    1. mark2
      mark2 25 December 2020 20: 04
      -6
      I spoke about the topic above in the text.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 December 2020 20: 49
        +7
        Quote: mark2
        I spoke about the topic above in the text.

        Nonsense was written above in the text.
  • Nazar
    Nazar 25 December 2020 19: 31
    +4
    mark2 - you think so: "as long as we are over the problems of education and we will not do anything?" - well, yes, well, yes ... we will not go to storm the Kremlin from the PKK to the advantage, of course ... but to follow the example of my peers and send grandchildren to study (and then work) in China, since this is closer than to Moscow - it is quite probable consequence of such discussions.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 19: 42
    +7
    Quote: mark2
    Hello kummushkam. Well, as long as we creep on the problems of education and do nothing? Well, as always. Putting the plus signs for those who are against the government. Svarog is a plus. This is a tradition. Put plus Svarog for any statement. I'm a minus, please, and more. For trolling.

    How do you know that no one is doing anything? I transferred my four to family education a year ago, junior graders (three heads smile ) study using old Soviet textbooks purchased from the Stalin Primer Project. The eldest already understands where the truth is and where the lie.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 19: 53
      -6
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      The eldest already understands where the truth is and where the lie.

      And then she will go to university - it’s not your home, is it? And they will quickly explain to her that "she is wrong." Or she will fly out of HIM. AND THIS WILL BE A LESSON FOR HER. If he does not fly out, he will come to work and explain to the owner where the truth is and where the lie. And here it will definitely take off! And then he will come home and say: dad, you ... and he will be right!
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 20: 33
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        And then she will go to university - it’s not your home, is it? And they will quickly explain to her that "she is wrong." Or she will fly out of HIM. AND THIS WILL BE A LESSON FOR HER. If he does not fly out, he will come to work and explain to the owner where the truth is and where the lie. And here it will definitely take off! And then he will come home and say: dad, you ... and he will be right!

        I will not pay attention to your injections, I will answer seriously. There is some truth in your words, but I did not just choose this path for a reason. In my "Muhoska" it is impossible for me to get a good education at school. A number of reasons, I will not voice. The older one studies at an online school remotely, the quality of the material is good, the requirements for students are higher than in our schools, the program itself is acceptable if you study additionally using Soviet textbooks. That is, there will be no problems with passing the exam. As for the university, by the time she enters there will be only a distance student (at least for ordinary people). In order not to be kicked out of work, there is only one means, it is to organize a workplace for yourself. She also plans to go to applied mathematics. I believe that soon it will be possible to work with us either as a salesman or as a programmer (with variations, of course). She is now learning to code on the sly. Since then, in short.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 25 December 2020 20: 41
          -1
          But these are the answers I like. There is nothing here that would be unacceptable in modern conditions. I hope that you will succeed and I want to wish you success on this path!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 December 2020 19: 09
    +4
    So, earlier at the concerts of the satirist, writer Mikhail Zadornov, they laughed at "stupid Americans".
    .... They laughed at themselves, but they did not talk about it out loud.
    Education was the first to sink to the bottom in Little Russia (Ukraine), where the "Ukrainization" of consciousness was carried out.
    ... And what are they still taught in the other republics, according to Soviet programs? Especially the story ... is the friendship of peoples told? And they are read by Russian literature, which carries humanism and sows good and eternal, especially in Armenia and Azerbaijansmile
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 33
      +2
      Alexey hi ,
      why go far? We have all seen the average grimace of the Russian "education".

    2. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 22
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      And they are read by Russian literature
      However, all my Kyrgyz friends for some reason speak Russian flawlessly.
      PS: better than many of our Caucasians and even kaklov.
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 25 December 2020 19: 14
    +9
    Today the situation is about the same in Russia. Creative circles, palaces of culture, chess and mathematics were replaced by McDonald's chains and entertainment and shopping centers. And also on the digital web, which entertains children and young people day and night.
    The author did not mention another structure, which, unfortunately and with the full support of the state, began again to actively participate in the social and cultural life of Russians and to influence their worldview. This is the church. Religious obscurantism, which fought the Bolsheviks, takes really frightening proportions. In every neighborhood, in every fucking vacant lot, in any free site or park, they are trying to shove in a temple, church, or at least a chapel. Religious obscurantism is clouding the brains of the older generation (to my great regret, seemingly Soviet educated people), and now the younger generation too. The foundations of Orthodox culture are introduced in schools, history textbooks and cinema are actively pedaling the theme of religion and monarchy. Instead of an educated specialist with critical thinking, we get an illiterate inept, but one who believes in God and knows how to use a smartphone.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 25 December 2020 19: 22
      +7
      Have you read fairy tales about Orthodox animals? Orthodox hedgehogs, etc. laughing
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 37
        +2
        Blessed "squirrels" should be dealt with by specialized specialists. laughing
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 25 December 2020 19: 45
      +5
      Quote: Greenwood
      The religious obscurantism that the Bolsheviks fought against is taking on really frightening proportions. In every neighborhood, in every fucking vacant lot, in any free site or park, they are trying to shove a temple, a church, or at least a chapel. Religious obscurantism is clouding the brains of the older generation (to my great regret, seemingly Soviet educated people), and now also the younger. The foundations of Orthodox culture are introduced in schools, history textbooks and cinematography are actively pedaling the theme of religion and monarchy. Instead of an educated specialist with critical thinking, we get an illiterate inept, but a believer in God and able to use a smartphone.

      It couldn't be better. There is nothing to add. good
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 39
      +1
      Such people, unable to think, are more willing to consume "ready-made" products. Ideal "mass".
    4. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 24
      0
      I totally agree, plus
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 25 December 2020 19: 21
    +9
    Five! fellow
    The school has undergone bureaucracy.

    We have the same tendency in Bulbyandia. The teacher thinks not about HOW to convey information to the child and teach him, but about how to draw up a report, because the imbeciles at the top demand reports. Now teachers formally do not give a damn about the quality of their work, they shove them off, if not on time they will report on the work done, if they do not send the scribble to the local district. After all, the controlling authorities have been bred like uncut dogs and everyone wants to show their importance (because there are still bumps over them). And now the criterion of the teacher's work is the report to the top, and not the number of his students with a gold medal fool
    It will get even worse. When the remnants of the Soviet education system die along with the last teachers of the old school.

    You don't have to go far

    request laughing
    Ps. Come on Samsonov, more such materials that people would move and at least somehow start to think about the future bully
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 December 2020 19: 26
    +7
    New slaves will only need to be able to read and follow instructions from digital devices (gadgets).

    Precisely, slaves. In religion it is a servant of God, and in life it is a wordless slave.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 43
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Precisely, slaves. In religion it is a servant of God, and in life it is a wordless slave.

      Despicable, humiliated lackeys are easier to manage. This was done purposefully. hi
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 25 December 2020 19: 28
    +5
    Why kill? Then they would understand less what was happening, and they could not arrange the demand.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 46
      +1
      WERE, and, Wed, collect more often. [Polish. bydło - cattle] (obl. bran.). About stupid, weak-willed people, submissive to violence. || In the mouths of the serf-landlords - the contemptuous designation of the peasant masses as a weak-willed, wordless and submissive herd, guarded by the landowner.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 25 December 2020 19: 29
    +4
    Classical Russian university education was split into balacavrias and magistracy. As a result, the vast majority of young people in Russia today have become holders of crusts about incomplete, in fact, higher education.

    It is for this that the Ministry of Education has dragged the Western Bologna system and the Unified State Exam to us, practically eliminating the quality and status of classical Russian education.
    The Bologna system works well in the West, and they smuggled it into Russia only for our diplomas to be recognized there. The result, as usual, is deplorable. Oranges were never born from the aspen. And they destroyed their good, and the foreign did not take root. But it all starts from the level of culture. It is the destruction of culture that leads to the degradation of education and morality. Talk show on central channels, as a blatant example of fooling the people. And, what is most sad, no one is responsible for this bl .. (disgrace).
    1. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 26
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Talk show on central channels
      Nobody makes you watch TV
      Its meaning is no longer clear, everything is on the internet
  • Cron
    Cron 25 December 2020 19: 29
    11 th
    Well, thanks at least Lomonosov and Suvorov were quoted, otherwise for many before the advent of the holy communists there were only sandals with a plow
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 December 2020 19: 39
    +6
    The author touched upon, perhaps, the most important problem of today's Russia.
    The foundation for the development of the state is laid at the school desk. I always thought so, and it is unlikely that someone will convince me.
    What is happening with education now is a direct road to the Middle Ages, with moo-obsession and the Inquisition.
    The people who are the agents of these "reforms" are enemies! am
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 04: 35
      +1
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      The author touched upon, perhaps, the most important problem of today's Russia.

      Russia's most important problem is demographic. If it goes on like this, there will be no one to "mark" on the site. And education (its availability) is an instrument in the hands of the ruling clans. It's like in an irge with a "thimble": the "goof" always thinks that the ball is under this glass.
      1. Vasiliev S.
        Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 50
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The most important problem in Russia is demographic
        There is no such problem.
        Migration will overlap with a margin.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 06: 09
          +2
          Quote: VasilievS
          There is no such problem.
          Migration will overlap with a margin.

          And the fact that part of Russia will speak Chinese or Pashto does not bother?
          1. Vasiliev S.
            Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 06: 10
            +1
            With Pashto, you are out of touch with reality
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 06: 20
              +2
              Quote: VasilievS
              With Pashto, you are out of touch with reality

              I also did not think that Damansky would go to China, and part of the Bering Sea would go to the Americans ... I broke away, so to speak, from reality. But they brought me closer ... They presented me with a fact and that's it!
              1. Vasiliev S.
                Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 06: 24
                +1
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Damansky will go to China
                ??? !!!
                And to whom could he leave after the Chinese held him since 1969?
                They built a museum there, did they take excursions?
                Reaffirm my conclusion that you are living in an imaginary world.
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 06: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: VasilievS
                  Reaffirm my conclusion that you are living in an imaginary world.

                  Don't show your nonsense ...
                  Quote: VasilievS
                  And to whom could he leave after the Chinese held him since 1969?

                  Take an interest, at least:
                  Damansky is a small now Chinese (until 1991 Soviet) island with an area of ​​0,74 km² on the Ussuri River, on the border with Russia, 230 km south of Khabarovsk and 35 km west of Luchegorsk (Pozharsky District).
                  1. Vasiliev S.
                    Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 07: 19
                    +1
                    Laughed!
                    Barracks
                    Here is the barracks that the Chinese built 5 months after the end of the conflict.
                    And there is also a museum, I don't know when it was built, but decades ago.
                    Do not confuse formal and factual.
                    Reaffirm my conclusion that you are living in an imaginary world.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 25 December 2020 19: 41
    +2
    After all, in order for the relatively dumb elite to rule, the masses must become even dumber. The approach taken by the elite was simple: "dumb and dumber."


    Holy truth! Dumb people choose their own leaders. This is by the way a deliberate policy, and not only in Russia, but all over the world. Screw yourself nuts, pay your taxes and dabble in vodka - only the top needs this. In general, neoliberalism created such a world that it already infuriates to the fullest. Degradation and entropy are everywhere.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 04: 52
      +1
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Degradation and entropy are everywhere.

      I still want to ask you. You write: "eto" instead of "this", "entropy" instead of "entropy" (easier then - disorder) - for what purpose? You do not have the letter "e" on your keyboard (although the "elite" - passes) or is it such a chip, a distinctive feature?
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Dumb people choose their own leaders.

      I'll tell you this. You cannot equate hopelessness, indifference and simplicity (which is worse than stealing) with stupidity. What you have so easily discovered among the people is called "faith in a good king and bad boyars." It is this "narrow-mindedness" that prevents citizens from drawing the correct conclusions for themselves. Deception only exists in the world because there are people who are not difficult to deceive, because they themselves are happy to be deceived ...

      And there are no stupid people. There is a primitive way of thinking and tribal relations, like the tribes of the Amazon.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 26 December 2020 10: 20
        0
        You don't have the letter "e" on your keyboard


        Yes. We do not have a reverse (it seems that was called). hi Although there are enough other mistakes, but as much as I can, as many, I will not learn the language better.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 12: 37
          +2
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Although there are enough other mistakes, but as much as I can, as many, I will not learn the language better.

          good Not bad for a foreigner. It was simple curiosity.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 25 December 2020 19: 55
    -3
    Quote: Greenwood
    to my great regret, seemingly Soviet educated people

    Soviet education did not help them, right?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 05: 17
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      Soviet education did not help them, right?

      Stop whining about the same thing. The Indians of North America, too, for centuries lived in ignorance and inability to live, that the European "khanygs" easily assigned them a place on the reservations? Or maybe these "enterprising colonialists" first bribed the leaders whom the people believed? And who could not be bribed - they killed, poisoned, infected with smallpox and appointed loyal leaders. Or the reason was that:

      Then educated Americans imported slaves from Africa, whose descendants "make a rustle" all over America in search of black zebras and penguins ... Why is it that today the Americans are not helped by their education, which, according to you, contributed to the collapse of the USSR?
      Or is it not education? Half of the Suvorov soldiers could neither read nor write, and they beat the Turks ...
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 26 December 2020 07: 04
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Or maybe these "enterprising colonialists" first bribed the leaders whom the people believed?

        Now I am working on a number of materials "about Indians". It would be interesting to know the names of those bribed ... and those killed. I only know one person who was killed, and I don’t know the bribed at all, except that they are found in films about Winneta. Enlighten me ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 07: 41
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          and I don’t know those bribed at all, except that they meet in films about Winneta. Enlighten me ...

          Google to help. Everything is there. yes
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 12: 38
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Google to help. Everything is there.

            And the archives ... yes
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 26 December 2020 12: 46
              +2
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And the archives ...

              I know one bribed leader. But I won't tell. Let him dig. wink
  • Pytnik
    Pytnik 25 December 2020 19: 57
    +2
    The article is straight to the point, but .... what's the point ...? Well, my wife is a teacher, (though in a music school) everything is right, the author writes, just that we will not change, reading and discussing on the VO forum ..... and I can also add how teachers voluntarily (forcibly) freeze or "ask" be volunteers, sit in polling stations or soon the census will be ....... also cannot "refuse" the school administration ....
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  • Kushka
    Kushka 25 December 2020 19: 59
    +4
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Lipchanin
    When the question, the capital of London is answered by Paris, nonsense?

    I don’t know about London, but about Beijing they couldn’t answer 5 out of 10. And to the question "What is the religion in Israel, they answered everything they could, and only one answered - Judaism.

    The headmaster brought a new teacher to class
    stories and wished me luck. Going in after a while
    to the staff room, found her crying. -What? What happened,
    expensive. - You see, I wanted to clarify what material
    the children have already passed and asked, who took the Bastille? That's horrible,
    nobody answered me. -Fu, you scared me, I really thought ...
    Yes, you do not worry so, well, someone took, but they will return
    this bastille.
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 25 December 2020 20: 06
    +8
    Once upon a time I met my classroom, she said that Soviet students would be excellent students now with their knowledge.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 25 December 2020 20: 06
    +5
    [quote = ximkim]Who founded Krasnoyarsk is a question for second graders? Their answer is Putin! [/ Quote]
    Wife at work - oh, well, my head hurts, I tried
    analgin, tsitramon, probably only the guillotine will help me.
    Employee, a young girl - Viktorovna, don't buy,
    now all the pills are starchy
    1. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 06: 17
      0
      Quote: Kushka
      so my head hurts, I tried analgin, citramon
      Laughed!
      This is rather an example of the stupidity of both.
      The girl, if in nature - said the truth - there is not much more sense from citramones than from a placebo.
      Pressure to measure not destiny?
  • Kushka
    Kushka 25 December 2020 20: 12
    +3
    Boy, student, about 17 years old, missed the bus,
    wants to return the ticket and get the money back.
    Sit down, here's a sheet, write a statement. Writes in the form-
    I name, ... date at .... o'clock ... aunt and what time to write?
    - There is a big clock overhead (arrow) ...
    Raised his head, examines - aunt, I don't understand!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 December 2020 05: 21
      +2
      Quote: Kushka
      Raised his head, examines - aunt, I don't understand!

      There is an older version:
      - Comrade Warrant Officer! What time is it?
      - 11 divided by 46! Delhi faster until 47 popped up!
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 26 December 2020 20: 27
        0
        I wish this ensign a naval chronometer
        (hangs on the ship everywhere) - he has the 24th
        clock face. I drove in for six months, no matter what I look -
        arrows vertically-06-00 ?? - and figurines -12-00,
        and you have to report to the phone in seconds!
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 25 December 2020 20: 22
    +6
    It is a pity that I cannot express in the comments everything that I think about the newest education system ... when the daughter of my friend (brains - 5+) at 10 years old does not know the multiplication table, and the son of my second friend at 12 !!! for years, I have never held a compass in my hands, and for him the "cardinal points" are soooo, an airy concept am

    As long as we have such a government and a president, "which we deserve," everything will remain so ... I only hope that in twenty years from now for our great-grandchildren the words "multiplication table" and "cardinal points" will not be something ephemeral concept. ..
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 32
      -2
      Quote: Corona without virus
      never in my life held a compass in my hands

      Is it expensive to buy it yourself?
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 25 December 2020 22: 23
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Corona without virus
        never in my life held a compass in my hands

        Is it expensive to buy it yourself?

        laughing laughing laughing

        as soon as I found out about it (we were going to a picnic with his parents to go to the forest) - so I immediately bought him good

        just ... as I remember ... nature studies, grade 4 of secondary school, late 1970s ... we are taught to communicate with a compass ... and he never held it in his hands by the age of 12 !!!!!!!! am
    2. Usher
      Usher 26 December 2020 01: 23
      0
      Well, at school, I didn't really know the compass, although I entered the biology and geography. They just describe the compass like this, but in fact, for some reason, everything was mirrored and the arrow is constantly spinning. Now I understand well and immediately find the cardinal points by the sun, etc. But at the age of 10 this was a mystery to me.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 26 December 2020 05: 29
        +2
        Quote: Usher
        Well, at school, I didn't really know the compass, although I entered the biology and geography. They just describe the compass like this, but in fact, for some reason, everything was mirrored and the arrow is constantly spinning. Now I understand well and immediately find the cardinal points by the sun, etc. But at the age of 10 this was a mystery to me.

        Do you understand what you wrote? repeat At the age of 10, you still held it in your hands))) and modern youth at 12 !!! I haven't seen him in years laughing
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 25 December 2020 20: 39
    +2
    When the population is busy with survival, they have no time to read and educate themselves. After 12 hours of work plus household chores, all the energy goes to crawl to bed. And vice versa, when everything is too accessible, laziness and decline begins with degradation into a chewing cow. However, the balance should be observed and the state, if there is a wise ruler, is obliged to do so.
    1. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 29
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      decline with degradation
      Degradation on the march
  • janin
    janin 25 December 2020 20: 48
    17
    today is an anniversary ..






    killed our country. are killing our people. are killing our culture and memory. this is called genocide.
    1. apro
      apro 25 December 2020 21: 02
      +5
      Recently, more and more people remember the USSR ... at the top they throw mud at the top ... at the bottom with warmth ...
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 25 December 2020 21: 31
      -5
      Quote: janin
      killed our country. are killing our people. are killing our culture and memory. this is called genocide.

      And in front of your eyes! And you didn't do anything. Only by clave bale-bale ...
  • RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 25 December 2020 21: 16
    0
    It can be seen that copying pastes is simple ... There can only be corrections of its own for realities ...
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 December 2020 21: 19
    0
    Quote: Moore
    It's like that. Fursenko, Gref (yes, he headed the coordinating council for the development of Russian education) and a whole galaxy of other quiet and inconspicuous creatures were falling apart and are destroying something ...

    All this pro-Western shobla educators of consumers of Western values generally strives to crush the whole process of educating Russians, starting from kindergarten age! Recently Gref bought Soyuzmultfilm and now, through cartoons, it will already start sculpting consumers - Banderlog! So our beautiful kind cartoons like "Masha and the Bear", obviously, will no longer exist! Now there will be Simpsons and other crap that meets Western standards!
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 25 December 2020 21: 29
    +5
    Why is the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation doing everything possible to worsen education for the majority of the population? Here is Openel's secret laughing
    Yes, because that is its purpose. Everything is elementary.
    If the reason for the existence of the authorities of the modern Russian Federation is in the appropriation and uncontrolled use of the wealth of the former RSFSR, then it is self-evident that the formation of the majority is an unnecessary and even dangerous thing for them.
    The real task of the government is to fight education for the people, not to develop it.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 December 2020 21: 42
    +1
    Probably in the very terms LEARN or PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, in fact, is the difference. It turns out, if you want to educate a person similar to yourself, according to your criteria, do it yourself.
    If you let everything go by itself, you will most likely get the object that the SYSTEM needs, which organized all this.
    What's good, what's bad ... that's as much as you like / want.
    I do not like the SYSTEM, I take care of my descendants, I help others, to the best of my ability.
    Let it be for now.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 December 2020 23: 14
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Probably in the very terms LEARN or PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, in essence, the difference lies

      Absolutely accurate conclusion good hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 December 2020 23: 51
        +1
        Unfortunately, only conclusions ... a little, a little, I correct, as far as I am allowed, that I can ...
        A PROBLEM will come back to haunt us all and very soon, the bad takes root quickly, it takes a long time to fix it.
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 25 December 2020 21: 47
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    When the question, the capital of London is answered by Paris, nonsense?

    Strange, while almost everyone learns English, where one of the first phrases, if memory serves, is London, the capital of Great Britain.
    Although I remember still in the Soviet school, about the tenth grade, the topic is the Russian-Japanese war. The teacher's request to show Japan on the world map ... a long, long search under, but not laughter, but the neigh of the class. And in her eyes LOVE.
    1. Usher
      Usher 26 December 2020 01: 20
      -1
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      Quote: Lipchanin
      When the question, the capital of London is answered by Paris, nonsense?

      Strange, while almost everyone learns English, where one of the first phrases, if memory serves, is London, the capital of Great Britain.
      Although I remember still in the Soviet school, about the tenth grade, the topic is the Russian-Japanese war. The teacher's request to show Japan on the world map ... a long, long search under, but not laughter, but the neigh of the class. And in her eyes LOVE.

      You have to be complete ... not to find Japan on the world map.
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 25 December 2020 22: 04
    0
    It's a pity! Human Creator! Creator! Creative approach! Builder of your own happiness! This is not at school!
  • Million
    Million 25 December 2020 22: 45
    +3
    The Russian school is being killed by non-Russian authorities.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 26 December 2020 01: 50
      +1
      This "power" connects its future with Russia only as a source of enrichment.
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  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 25 December 2020 23: 14
    +3
    Well, capitalism in the country. And capitalists don't need smart people, they need consumers.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 26 December 2020 07: 07
      0
      An unwise person cannot even consume!
  • serg v zapase
    serg v zapase 26 December 2020 00: 51
    0
    Whichever education system you enter, all one will be people who do not want knowledge. If earlier they were forced to study, now it is impossible to do this, for various reasons. The second trouble is education for a goof, this is a step in a career, and as a result, goofs and goofs appeared up to doctors of sciences and major leaders. It is clear that they were helped, but that doesn't make it any easier. In Soviet times, such cases were perceived as an exception. Those who have studied at the university probably know that no more than 15% of students are busy working on textbooks, another 50-60 study from session to session, the rest is ballast. There is no USE at the university, so returning to exams at school will not change anything.
  • Usher
    Usher 26 December 2020 01: 18
    0
    When I studied at school in the 90s (still the Soviet system without the Unified State Exam), even then I did not know who "Perun, Svyatogor" were :)
    1. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 32
      +2
      And nobody knew.
      He brings the local commentators into such a jungle ...
      They are watching from their shtetl bell tower.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 26 December 2020 03: 38
    +1
    the elite was much higher in cultural, educational, organizational and scientific and technical levels

    Yes? Let's see what the Soviet elite was like, in particular the first persons.
    Well, okay, Lenin is the University's Law Faculty, albeit an external student. But further ...
    Stalin is an unfinished theological seminary. Of course, he was a genius for governing the country, but he did not receive a formal education, and we can only guess what heights he would have achieved if instead of an unfinished seminary he had a university or, say, a military academy behind him.
    Beria - Sukhumi higher primary school, Baku secondary mechanical-technical construction school, after which he received a diploma of a technician-architect. According to the recollections of contemporaries, all his life he regretted that he did not have time to learn to be an engineer. But he ran the program for creating a nuclear missile shield quite competently.
    Khrushch - Industrial Academy.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Всесоюзная_промышленная_академия
    Officially, the Industrial Academy was considered a higher educational institution, but in fact it provided education in the volume of secondary school
    Brezhnev - evening faculty (workers' faculty) of the Arsenichev Kamensk Metallurgical Institute. What is a workers' school and how is it different from a daytime one, to explain, or in the course?
    Andropov - Graduated in absentia from the Higher Party School under the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), then in absentia at the Faculty of History and Philology of the Karelo-Finnish State University in 1946-1951 (he studied four courses, left the university in connection with the transfer to Moscow). Although he was a talented person, he independently perfectly mastered English, Finnish, and Hungarian.
    Chernenko - Graduated from the three-year school for rural youth, the Higher School of Party Organizers under the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (1945). In 1947 he was a part-time student at the Faculty of History of the Penza Pedagogical Institute, but did not graduate due to his transfer to work in Moscow. Graduated from the Chisinau Pedagogical Institute (1953) - history teacher.
    Gorbachev - Faculty of Law, Moscow State University. What he learned there, hell knows, but judging by the way he ruled the Union and ruined it, it would be better if he didn’t go to any university, and he was driving a combine in the Stavropol Territory.
    1. Vasiliev S.
      Vasiliev S. 26 December 2020 05: 35
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      Gorbachev - Faculty of Law, Moscow State University
      There he gained sycophant.
      But in general, as they say in the West, excellent students study in order to work for C students later.
      1. agond
        agond 26 December 2020 10: 34
        0
        And mathematicians can also lie, for example, they have been telling us for a long time that the numbers may be negative, for example, the teacher goes out to the blackboard and draws two intersecting lines on it at the intersection point, writes zero and tells the students "everything to the left of zero and below, it all negatively "gives two" dissenting students, although it can be confidently assumed that the average mathematician in intelligence differs little from the average layman, and those physicists are generally obsessed with "horse literacy", wherever they have horsepower.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 26 December 2020 11: 22
    +1
    "Will we agree to become the impersonal, illiterate slaves of the new digital world order?"
    - have already agreed. Nobody asked, everything was decided long ago.

    And no retaliatory strikes, no strikes - only pity on the Internet.
  • AB
    AB 26 December 2020 13: 22
    0
    As long as there are unsinkable people in Russia about whom they say that "Putin does not give up his own", then one should not expect changes in domestic policy. It is not for nothing that German Gref said: "It is easier and easier to govern an illiterate people ..."
  • Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 26 December 2020 13: 24
    0
    By the way, about military universities. Krasnodar and Chelyabinsk remained from AUL and III. If, after graduation, he came to the regiment and entered service (Balashov 1987), now he has crap.
  • Oleg133
    Oleg133 26 December 2020 14: 21
    0
    This is not only in the Russian Federation.
    They bring the legal status of persons into line with the actual one. And then slaves (property) enjoy the rights of people. Disorder
  • Oleg133
    Oleg133 26 December 2020 14: 24
    0
    Quote: Alex2000
    no retaliatory strikes, no strikes - only pity on the Internet.

    Paradise on Earth exists, but everyone has their own entrance. You cannot enter into a collective, and you must first become a human being. Legally
    1. Avrora17
      Avrora17 26 December 2020 20: 37
      -4
      Quote: Oleg133
      Quote: Alex2000
      no retaliatory strikes, no strikes - only pity on the Internet.

      Paradise on Earth exists, but everyone has their own entrance. You cannot enter into a collective, and you must first become a human being. Legally

      In Russia, this is usually done simply when patience bursts .. And classes simply disappear .. The main thing is that the Fatherland is preserved! hi
  • Evgeny Komotsky
    Evgeny Komotsky 26 December 2020 22: 39
    0
    The article is hysteria and a collection of invented cliches that have nothing to do with reality.

    I have a direct relationship to education (though to higher education and pre-school children, but nevertheless, I can assess the general level of schooling), so I think that I can reason fairly objectively, unlike those who try to extrapolate their subjective negative experience to the entire system in the whole.

    To begin with, the theses of the article contradict the facts from the real world.

    1) It is children from Russia that take prizes in all kinds of competitions - from subject Olympiads to professional skills competitions like WorldSkills. And the results do not deteriorate, but remain stable, and even in a number of disciplines are growing steadily.

    2) I could argue that "this is the elite, and our simple children grow up stupid and are not taught" - but again this contradicts the facts - the opposite is indicated by the leading positions of our children in such ratings as TMISS - we are second only to such educational Asian monsters like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore - so everything is fine with general education, we are not talking about any "degradation".

    3) Moreover, in Russia, thanks to the efforts of the state, the UNIVERSAL and FREE add-on is developed. world-class education for schoolchildren - from natural science Quantoriums to projects like an IT cube (in Solnechny and Uralmash) - where children have a fantastic material base and teachers.

    4) I could argue that they say "this is in large agglomerations, and our dyarevna the most advanced technical device is the Felix adding machine" - but let's be honest - it is doubtful that the ability to work with PVD / CVD will be useful in your little darevna child installing, administering UNIX, or spinning machine learning code in Python.

    5) The most important (in my opinion) achievement of the "degrading" Russian school is the recently introduced project teaching. If it does not degenerate into formalism, we will live 10-15 years later in an amazing country with very capable children.

    For example, look at the project of schoolchildren in Sochi Sirius or even our Ural project shifts, where hundreds of schoolchildren solve practical problems that not even every adult can handle.
    I could give examples of such projects, but I'm afraid that this is not interesting to anyone, because it destroys the picture of the world of all-proponents (moreover, I am sure that they will now write me down in kremlebots and throw minuses, otherwise I came to the echo chamber of despondency and the atmosphere spoilage).

    All that I wrote above does not mean that education in Russia has no problems - they are, but they have nothing to do with the toilet of the author of the article, and even more so with the Unified State Exam.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 27 December 2020 18: 42
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      - All these electronic wonders are beautiful and ohhu .... sorry, amazing! But, tell me how to apply all this sideways to reality, in order to change it for the better ...
      - The lovely inhabitants of the ivory towers ...
      1. Evgeny Komotsky
        Evgeny Komotsky 27 December 2020 22: 25
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        What did you want to say?

        I am not good at telepathy
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 27 December 2020 22: 40
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          - I just ask: Where should all these achievements be applied? Well, these undoubtedly smart children will invent "Aiphon" another, well, Russian Gates will be nominated from their ranks, and what for those around them?
          - Or a wonderful digitalized future not for everyone, but only for exclusively pets of digital palaces? Elysium?
          - I'm not teasing, I'm really dumb, from the fact that maybe in ten or fifteen years these your clever and clever guys won't be able to leave their Elysium (Quantorium) without serious protection ...
          - There will be a great risk of spreading the mind on the asphalt - not all the population of the glorious Yo-burg will be able to appreciate the scholarship of the new elite ...
          - We are talking about the formation of the human MASS, and you are about the incubator of geniuses ... if these geniuses remain in Russia ...
  • Born_of_SSSR
    Born_of_SSSR 26 December 2020 23: 12
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    All hands and feet for! The author, well done!
  • storm
    storm 27 December 2020 00: 17
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    Education Ministers Fursenko and Livanov “worked” so well on the Russian school that, in essence, they fulfilled Hitler’s program, in which the Russians needed to be able to count to 100, read, know the rules of the road, sing, dance and imagine where the capital of the Reich is ...


    The Prime Minister from 2008 to 2012 was V.V. Putin, he oversaw the work of these ministers "educators" as well as "destroyer of the army" Serdyukov ........